From sharon.boeyen@entrust.com Tue Mar 5 12:18:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3B411E8120 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:18:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i4cwAP5Pyz0Q for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipedge2.entrust.com (ipedge2.entrust.com [216.191.252.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 369CC11E811A for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:18:51 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,790,1355115600"; d="scan'208,217";a="3807808" Received: from unknown (HELO sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.93]) by ipedge2.entrust.com with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2013 15:18:50 -0500 Received: from SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com ([fe80::389b:f45b:7ea1:79b7]) by sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:18:50 -0500 From: Sharon Boeyen To: "wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: wpkops agenda topics Thread-Index: Ac4Z3qWlUsdqoIb+QZi2k8bQESzS9w== Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 20:18:49 +0000 Message-ID: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.161.55] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701SOTTEXCH10corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [wpkops] wpkops agenda topics X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:18:52 -0000 --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please let me know if you would like to add an agenda topic for next week's= wpkops meeting. Thank you, Cheers, Sharon Boeyen --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please let me know if you would like to add an agend= a topic for next week’s wpkops meeting.

 

Thank you,

Cheers,

Sharon Boeyen

--_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701SOTTEXCH10corpa_-- From hallam@gmail.com Tue Mar 5 12:20:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326CD11E8112 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:20:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Atg8BOaOpCyC for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com (mail-we0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9591F0D18 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id u7so5543921wey.37 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:20:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AblVUymFPNTC1qyswv2Xr8bZg3oCKpUCx/tHm8zabzg=; b=pwrCDgQ/vfIzFymBTGQPEez9VynoIxUOkBNAkcZQnufyExUT1UBb3C7hGFV09S7BBw eKuLSfQV4xVNsDChXxkd8m2G5VwS6dVeE0zsGVkbKAyrKeeGi5DzjO/RQhxguB1MnigF L/xtdDUBhQ2X06yHVdp455Vh/WsC4coP/fb5Y+FsPc0I8fcZW28hSV/i2up8VP2Gp/Ex DUaSrMlLHfnnicxhcKPnMuc5B6GX1Zv4MDGehhWoruyPTFJrbSEiBCeLn0Vlq3G8vkpu 29YJiROQekxYjDoumPOeH4VLE6OinDThr2SfywFKY0oKQOPJZyeNoWtUMHGvcFx7jUdo p9gg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.94.69 with SMTP id da5mr21450624wib.30.1362514837284; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 12:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.11.71 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:20:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> References: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:20:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: Phillip Hallam-Baker To: Sharon Boeyen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "wpkops WG \(wpkops@ietf.org\)" Subject: Re: [wpkops] wpkops agenda topics X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:20:39 -0000 There is the revocation draft thingie we are planning to work on (maybe). On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Sharon Boeyen w= rote: > Please let me know if you would like to add an agenda topic for next week= =92s > wpkops meeting. > > > > Thank you, > > Cheers, > > Sharon Boeyen > > > _______________________________________________ > wpkops mailing list > wpkops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wpkops > --=20 Website: http://hallambaker.com/ From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Mar 5 17:52:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9BB11E80F1 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:52:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TzrQoiKWRSOK for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF2611E80EC for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.90] (50-1-98-12.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [50.1.98.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r261q4pZ020361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 18:52:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 17:52:04 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <43F2F286-C217-4830-952B-5B46230D1C34@vpnc.org> References: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> To: Sharon Boeyen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: "wpkops WG \(wpkops@ietf.org\)" Subject: Re: [wpkops] wpkops agenda topics X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 01:52:08 -0000 On Mar 5, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Sharon Boeyen = wrote: > Please let me know if you would like to add an agenda topic for next = week=92s wpkops meeting. Please see my earlier message about Adam Langley and I volunteering to = edit the "TLS stack" document. We could give a brief presentation on = what we think the topics will be so that the WG can start thinking about = what to contribute. --Paul Hoffman From ben@digicert.com Wed Mar 6 07:28:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E945E21F8C3E for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:28:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zhT1bdtTHtTQ for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.digicert.com (mail.digicert.com [64.78.193.232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E959C21F8C3D for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from BWILSONL1 (unknown [64.78.193.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.digicert.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 803098FA975; Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:28:03 -0700 (MST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=digicert.com; s=mail; t=1362583683; bh=md28GALP9gqwOm6eKlPGQfpLYNIIHmjDbdPE866zXKA=; h=Reply-To:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date; b=PAcYXkRaH/7kPm7yUo+nrYuJi5QawXzZxuo8JzRoO3hAFYev9/TEPQqKZeEz2pr/q TyhlJ+Vzxnr/GAeY391B5yyczHxgNRNjEYlYKI0I5uC3iWf0sYqeDRFiL1uL+xyJOY 0jK1KiL5MynW8Rqor3bEGw1TL6dzzgXWA5wvJKvQ= From: "Ben Wilson" To: "'Sharon Boeyen'" , "'wpkops WG'" References: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> In-Reply-To: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772C6701@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 08:28:02 -0700 Organization: DigiCert Message-ID: <006101ce1a7f$315e3770$941aa650$@digicert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01CE1A44.84FFD4A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKZhdbC05rilE2Wpk5VZ9VzQz/Hq5cB8XhA Content-Language: en-us Cc: robin@comodo.com, Phillip Hallam-Baker , 'Jeremy Rowley' Subject: Re: [wpkops] wpkops agenda topics X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ben@digicert.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 15:28:05 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CE1A44.84FFD4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sharon, Jeremy Rowley and I from DigiCert will be working on documenting the certificate processing behavior of user agents, along with Robin Alden and Phill Hallam-Baker of Comodo. Jeremy will be in attendance and able to participate in the discussion. Thanks, Ben From: wpkops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sharon Boeyen Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:19 PM To: wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org) Subject: [wpkops] wpkops agenda topics Please let me know if you would like to add an agenda topic for next week's wpkops meeting. Thank you, Cheers, Sharon Boeyen ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CE1A44.84FFD4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sharon,

Jeremy Rowley and I from = DigiCert will be working on documenting the certificate processing = behavior of user agents, along with Robin Alden and Phill Hallam-Baker = of Comodo.  Jeremy will be in attendance and able to participate in = the discussion. 

Thanks,

Ben

 

From:= = wpkops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Sharon Boeyen
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 1:19 = PM
To: wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)
Subject: [wpkops] = wpkops agenda topics

 

Please let = me know if you would like to add an agenda topic for next week’s = wpkops meeting.

 

Thank = you,

Cheers,

Sharon Boeyen

------=_NextPart_000_0062_01CE1A44.84FFD4A0-- From sharon.boeyen@entrust.com Mon Mar 11 05:43:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EF521F8815 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0G62Rq6ca-uD for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipedge1.entrust.com (ipedge1.entrust.com [216.191.252.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A1D21F8806 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 05:43:17 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,822,1355115600"; d="scan'208,217";a="8150892" Received: from unknown (HELO sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.93]) by ipedge1.entrust.com with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2013 08:43:16 -0400 Received: from SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com ([fe80::389b:f45b:7ea1:79b7]) by sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 08:43:16 -0400 From: Sharon Boeyen To: "wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Meeting Agenda posted Thread-Index: Ac4eVf/2BsYS84/iSOieLIdNhRw7wA== Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:43:15 +0000 Message-ID: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CABB1@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.161.55] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CABB1SOTTEXCH10corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [wpkops] Meeting Agenda posted X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:43:19 -0000 --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CABB1SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The agenda for Thursday's meeting, along with some of the presentation mate= rials, has just been posted. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/86/materials.html Cheers, Sharon --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CABB1SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The agenda for Thursday’s meeting, along with = some of the presentation materials, has just been posted.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/86/materials.html

 

Cheers,

Sharon

--_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CABB1SOTTEXCH10corpa_-- From sharon.boeyen@entrust.com Tue Mar 12 10:16:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54ADC11E80F9 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YKnTpdD-hRgV for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipedge1.entrust.com (ipedge1.entrust.com [216.191.252.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6B011E80FA for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,832,1355115600"; d="scan'208,217";a="8174855" Received: from unknown (HELO SOTTEXCHCAS2.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.224]) by ipedge1.entrust.com with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2013 13:16:17 -0400 Received: from SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com ([fe80::389b:f45b:7ea1:79b7]) by SOTTEXCHCAS2.corp.ad.entrust.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:16:17 -0400 From: Sharon Boeyen To: "wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Volunteers needed for jabber scribe and minute taker Thread-Index: Ac4fRUtPWKLcd+eaQ/igGrDQzwVPaw== Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:16:16 +0000 Message-ID: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CC56E@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.24.253] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CC56ESOTTEXCH10corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [wpkops] Volunteers needed for jabber scribe and minute taker X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:16:19 -0000 --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CC56ESOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is willing to volunteer to be the jabber scribe or the minute tak= er for the wpkops WG meeting on Thursday, please let me know. If we can get= volunteers ahead of time this will save some time at the beginning of the = meeting. Thanks Cheers, Sharon --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CC56ESOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If anyone is willing to volunteer to be the jabber s= cribe or the minute taker for the wpkops WG meeting on Thursday, please let= me know. If we can get volunteers ahead of time this will save some time a= t the beginning of the meeting.

 

Thanks

Cheers,

Sharon

--_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CC56ESOTTEXCH10corpa_-- From sharon.boeyen@entrust.com Wed Mar 13 05:53:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E5521F8CCF for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:53:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SQZjOkT7fgtJ for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipedge1.entrust.com (ipedge1.entrust.com [216.191.252.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EB921F8CBB for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 05:53:36 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,836,1355115600"; d="scan'208,217";a="8184616" Received: from unknown (HELO sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.93]) by ipedge1.entrust.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2013 08:53:36 -0400 Received: from SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com ([fe80::389b:f45b:7ea1:79b7]) by sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:53:36 -0400 From: Sharon Boeyen To: "wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Still need a minute taker Thread-Index: Ac4f6cWG3Y6cleAuT3S0X3iBEYdovg== Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:53:35 +0000 Message-ID: <65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CD7FE@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.25.3] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CD7FESOTTEXCH10corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [wpkops] Still need a minute taker X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:53:37 -0000 --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CD7FESOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have a jabber scribe for tomorrow's meeting but still need a minute take= r. Come on folks....... --_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CD7FESOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We have a jabber scrib= e for tomorrow’s meeting but still need a minute taker. Come on folks= …….

 

--_000_65DA4BEA501AFC409DF274CC71ED01A5772CD7FESOTTEXCH10corpa_-- From bruce.morton@entrust.com Wed Mar 13 09:08:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E83721F8DF2 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:08:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aO7CcouZvWbX for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipedge2.entrust.com (ipedge2.entrust.com [216.191.252.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDEC21F86D9 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,837,1355115600"; d="txt'?scan'208,217";a="4392041" Received: from unknown (HELO sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com) ([10.4.51.93]) by ipedge2.entrust.com with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2013 12:08:03 -0400 Received: from SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com ([fe80::389b:f45b:7ea1:79b7]) by sottexchcas1.corp.ad.entrust.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:08:03 -0400 From: Bruce Morton To: "wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)" Thread-Topic: Web PKI - Trust Models Thread-Index: Ac4gBOn6F83Ct/OwRJmp3mD11VyDNg== Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:08:02 +0000 Message-ID: <452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.4.24.236] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014SOTTEXCH10corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:08:06 -0000 --_004_452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014SOTTEXCH10corpa_" --_000_452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Models document. I plan to review the document in the meeting tomorrow. I=F1igo and I would = appreciate any comments on the document plan and the content. Thanks, Bruce Morton +1 613.270.3743 --_000_452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014SOTTEXCH10corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Mo= dels document.

 

I plan to review the document in the meeting tomorro= w. I=F1igo and I would appreciate any comments on the document plan and the= content.

 

Thanks,

 

Bruce Morton

+1 613.270.3743

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References: <452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> In-Reply-To: <452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:06:05 -0600 Organization: DigiCert Message-ID: <014801ce2015$6e9ba820$4bd2f860$@digicert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0149_01CE1FE3.2401AD50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKQjcyJ/gIEv/VdFT4nYALbRnJKopcfDwaA Content-Language: en-us Cc: i-barreira@izenpe.net Subject: Re: [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ben@digicert.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 18:06:08 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0149_01CE1FE3.2401AD50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_014A_01CE1FE3.2401AD50" ------=_NextPart_001_014A_01CE1FE3.2401AD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are some comments. =20 From: wpkops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Bruce Morton Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:08 AM To: wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org) Subject: [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models =20 Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Models document. =20 I plan to review the document in the meeting tomorrow. I=F1igo and I = would appreciate any comments on the document plan and the content. =20 Thanks, =20 Bruce Morton +1 613.270.3743 ------=_NextPart_001_014A_01CE1FE3.2401AD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here are some comments.

 

From:= = wpkops-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Bruce Morton
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:08 = AM
To: wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)
Subject: [wpkops] = Web PKI - Trust Models

 

Please find = attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Models document.

 

I plan to = review the document in the meeting tomorrow. I=F1igo and I would = appreciate any comments on the document plan and the = content.

 

Thanks,

 

Bruce = Morton

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From: wpkops-b= ounces@ietf.org [mailto:wpkops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Morton=
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= Subject: [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models

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Please find attached a draft of the Web PKI Trust Mode= ls document.

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<= p class=3D"MsoNormal"> I plan to review the document in the meeting tomorrow. I=F1igo and I would = appreciate any comments on the document plan and the content.=

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Than= ks,

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(envelope-from ) id 1UFrx4-000Iww-8g; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:07:06 -0400 Message-ID: <5140DC69.10900@bbn.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:07:05 -0400 From: Stephen Kent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wpkops@ietf.org, Steve Kent References: <452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> In-Reply-To: <452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010200090103050704080503" Subject: Re: [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:07:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010200090103050704080503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I reviewed just the definitions section, and it has a LOT of problems. Comments on that section below. Steve ------ 1.2. Definitions Why are not all most of these terms taken from X.509 or RFC 5280, with appropriate cites? Certificate: The public key of a user, together with some other information, rendered unforgeable by encipherment with the private key of the certification authority which issued it. This is an RSA-centric view of how a signature is computed; it fails to describe how a DSA-based sig is computed. Also, it ignores the use of a hash function as is common ptractice. Certification Authority (CA) - An entity trusted by one or more users to create and assign certificates. Certificate holder - A natural or legal person who is identified as the subject in a certificate. or a device, or organization, or ... Certificate policy: A named set of rules that indicates the applicability of a certificate to a particular community and/or class of application with common security requirements. cite 3647? Certification Practice Statement (CPS): A statement of the practices that a Certification Authority employs in issuing, managing, revoking and renewing or re-keying certificates. cite 3647? Certificate subject - The certificate holder as represented in the certificate. the holder of the private key that corresponds to the public key in the cert. Certificate user - A natural person who operates a certificate using product. relying party? Certificate-using product - A product that evaluates a certificate or certificate chain and adjusts its behavior according to the result. End entity: A certificate subject which uses its public key for purposes other than signing certificates. since a public key IS never used to sign anything ... Intermediate CA - A CA that issues certificates to issuing CAs and/or other intermediate CAs. this def will overlap with that of a TA, so not very useful. Issuing CA - A CA that issues certificates to certificate holders. is there any other kind of CA? Barreira & Morton Expires May 4, 2013 [Page 3] Internet-Draft Trust models of the Web PKI October 2012 Policy management authority - A natural or legal person who administers the certificate policy by which one or more certification authorities operate. Public-key infrastructure (PKI) - is a system for the creation, storage, and distribution of certificates which are used to verify that a particular public key belongs to a certain entity. not revocation too? Relying party: A user or agent that relies on the data in a certificate in making decisions. decisions about what? Registration authority (RA): An entity that is responsible for identification and authentication of certificate subjects, but that does not sign or issue certificates (i.e., an RA is delegated certain tasks on behalf of a CA). Root certificate - is either an unsigned public key certificate or a self-signed certificate that identifies the Root Certificate Authority (CA). A root certificate is part of a public key infrastructure scheme. no mention of the relation to the more formal term, TA? Root CA - The trust anchor for a digital certificate is the Root Certificate Authority (CA). A CA whose public key is included in a root store. Root store - A set of certification authority public keys that is embedded in a certificate-using product. not just Root CA public keys? Self-signed certificate: A certificate for one CA signed by that CA. we have expanded the def in PKIX to include certs signed by EEs, to more closely match common practice. do you mean to exclude this case? Trust anchor - is an authoritative entity represented via a public key and associated data. if the "authoritative" part were true, the problems faced by this model would be much less severe :-). The problem is that almost none of the TAs embedded in browsers are authoritative for the certs they issue! Trust model - The roles, and the relationships between those roles, that are relevant to the management and evaluation of certificates. Trust service - Service which enhances trust and confidence in electronic transactions. vacuous def. --------------010200090103050704080503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I reviewed just the definitions section, and it has a LOT of problems.

Comments on that section below.

Steve
------

1.2.  Definitions

Why are not all most of these terms taken from X.509 or RFC 5280, with
appropriate cites?

      Certificate: The public key of a user, together with some other
      information, rendered unforgeable by encipherment with the private
      key of the certification authority which issued it.

This is an RSA-centric view of how a signature is computed; it fails to describe how
a DSA-based sig is computed. Also, it ignores the use of a hash function as is common
ptractice.

      Certification Authority (CA) - An entity trusted by one or more
      users to create and assign certificates.

      Certificate holder - A natural or legal person who is identified
      as the subject in a certificate.
or a device, or organization, or ...

      Certificate policy: A named set of rules that indicates the
      applicability of a certificate to a particular community and/or
      class of application with common security requirements.
cite 3647?

      Certification Practice Statement (CPS): A statement of the
      practices that a Certification Authority employs in issuing,
      managing, revoking and renewing or re-keying certificates.
cite 3647?

      Certificate subject - The certificate holder as represented in the
      certificate.
the holder of the private key that corresponds to the public key in the cert.

      Certificate user - A natural person who operates a certificate
      using product.
relying party?

      Certificate-using product - A product that evaluates a certificate
      or certificate chain and adjusts its behavior according to the
      result.

      End entity: A certificate subject which uses its public key for
      purposes other than signing certificates.
since a public key IS never used to sign anything ...

      Intermediate CA - A CA that issues certificates to issuing CAs
      and/or other intermediate CAs.
this def will overlap with that of a TA, so not very useful.

      Issuing CA - A CA that issues certificates to certificate holders.
is there any other kind of CA?





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      Policy management authority - A natural or legal person who
      administers the certificate policy by which one or more
      certification authorities operate.

      Public-key infrastructure (PKI) - is a system for the creation,
      storage, and distribution of certificates which are used to verify
      that a particular public key belongs to a certain entity.
not revocation too?

      Relying party: A user or agent that relies on the data in a
      certificate in making decisions.
decisions about what?

      Registration authority (RA): An entity that is responsible for
      identification and authentication of certificate subjects, but
      that does not sign or issue certificates (i.e., an RA is delegated
      certain tasks on behalf of a CA).

      Root certificate - is either an unsigned public key certificate or
      a self-signed certificate that identifies the Root Certificate
      Authority (CA).  A root certificate is part of a public key
      infrastructure scheme.
no mention of the relation to the more formal term, TA?

      Root CA - The trust anchor for a digital certificate is the Root
      Certificate Authority (CA).  A CA whose public key is included in
      a root store.

      Root store - A set of certification authority public keys that is
      embedded in a certificate-using product.
not just Root CA public keys?

      Self-signed certificate: A certificate for one CA signed by that
      CA.
we have expanded the def in PKIX to include certs signed by EEs, to more closely
match common practice. do you mean to exclude this case?

      Trust anchor - is an authoritative entity represented via a public
      key and associated data.
if the "authoritative" part were true, the problems faced by this model would
be much less severe :-). The problem is that almost none of the TAs embedded
in browsers are authoritative for the certs they issue!

      Trust model - The roles, and the relationships between those
      roles, that are relevant to the management and evaluation of
      certificates.

      Trust service - Service which enhances trust and confidence in
      electronic transactions.
vacuous def.
--------------010200090103050704080503-- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Wed Mar 13 17:58:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C75F11E8106 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lOvTYI7YhSGX for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A899111E80E0 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-4717.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-4717.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.71.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2E0vxRD062330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:58:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 20:57:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <452C99D20750E74083DBA441FF93238577479014@SOTTEXCH10.corp.ad.entrust.com> To: "wpkops WG (wpkops@ietf.org)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Subject: Re: [wpkops] Web PKI - Trust Models X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 00:58:01 -0000 Steve Kent was faster than I was about posting some of the problems with = the definitions. But he stopped there, so let me continue with the = "basic trust model". Just a reminder from our WG charter: The working group's goal is to = describe how the Web PKI "actually" works in the set of browsers and = servers that are in common use today. Given that, I believe the following is fairly flawed. In the basic Web PKI trust model, a certificate-using product includes a root store that contains one or more root certification authority public keys, each of which is under the control of a CA and managed in conformance with the certificate policy prescribed and administered by the certificate using product supplier. Each such root certification authority issues a certificate to one or more issuing CAs that are under the control of the same commercial CA. Each issuing CA accepts and responds to certificate requests from one or more certificate applicants via one or more registration authorities that are under the control of the same CA. If the request is granted, then the certificate applicant becomes a certificate holder. The role of the registration authority is to confirm the accuracy of the information provided in the certificate request. - Some web browsers have a root store, but others use the OS's root = store - Some of these root stores have public keys associated with an = enterprise; those keys are often not managed in conformance with = anything - "Commercial" is just plain wrong: many trust anchors are run by = governments - Many trust anchors in the root store issue end entity certificates = directly - Many trust anchors in the root store do not have registration = authorities In summary: this definition does not represent how the Web PKI actually = works. The text that follows seems based on these assumptions, and thus = has similar problems. --Paul Hoffman= From ben@digicert.com Thu Mar 14 11:33:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A016D11E81FB for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DcoZPNgl011C for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.digicert.com (mail.digicert.com [64.78.193.232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A33E11E81B0 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BWILSONL1 (c-98-202-213-133.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [98.202.213.133]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.digicert.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06A3A8FAA05 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:33:23 -0600 (MDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=digicert.com; s=mail; t=1363286004; bh=gzOVZwjoFVvPxKez7niv8edJ6MH6kBumi3xfpVrA9KA=; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date; b=MkRkb5xieJaCjC6wS9m+dAIOULge1MkHFfrU83/vnPMPOqKhnhY8gmS3cmDoIGEux 64zSUgxDtQw0gUMYmW4CQDioCFUGkLOIONKJxOvTWIZVqHWHXYYEwOpO8qZNsrCqkz GEiLvzjVYtdbVK5022R7VBx+i/CzTNuX+k0UM1dU= From: "Ben Wilson" To: "'wpkops WG'" Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:33:23 -0600 Organization: DigiCert Message-ID: <012d01ce20e2$69111cf0$3b3356d0$@digicert.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012E_01CE20B0.1E774930" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac4g4OBK2XBJP27tSH6Q34GQ2Ex7Gg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [wpkops] Spreadsheet on User Agent Behavior X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: ben@digicert.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 18:33:25 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01CE20B0.1E774930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the link to the https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah4hAObl77LxdF9iQ0M5TUJ1MTlyWmo 4X2RSeklnSkE &usp=sharing I will back up the workbook every day or so. I've shared it "Anyone with link can edit". As mentioned in today's presentation, there are three types of sheets Referential Integrity enforced with these keys: . Conditions (Name mismatch, expired, revoked) . UA Behaviors (visual cues and bypassable errors) Input sheets for User Agents, OSs, & Platforms (Safari on Win7, Firefox on Android, Opera on Wii) Results sheets for Conditions (programmatically filled in from data added by input) For the kick-off, we did not populate the sheets with all of the conditions and behaviors. We will try to organize those by category. We will start populating the information that we already have. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01CE20B0.1E774930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is = the link to the https://docs.google.com/spre= adsheet/ccc?key=3D0Ah4hAObl77LxdF9iQ0M5TUJ1MTlyWmo4X2RSeklnSkE&usp=3D= sharing

I will back up the = workbook every day or so.  I’ve shared it “Anyone with = link can edit”. 

As = mentioned in today’s presentation, there are three types of = sheets

Referential Integrity = enforced with these keys:

       = Conditions (Name mismatch, expired, = revoked)

       = UA Behaviors (visual cues and bypassable = errors)

Input sheets for User = Agents, OSs, & Platforms (Safari on Win7, Firefox on Android, Opera = on Wii)

Results sheets for = Conditions (programmatically filled in from data added by = input)

 

For the kick-off, we did not populate the sheets with = all of the conditions and behaviors.  We will try to organize those = by category.  We will start populating the  information that = we already have.   

 

------=_NextPart_000_012E_01CE20B0.1E774930-- From joelja@bogus.com Thu Mar 21 12:59:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wpkops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A6F21F8C66 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.316 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.316 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.283, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tRaj+FaRZwr8 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365A521F8A4E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joels-MacBook-Air.local (host-64-47-153-50.masergy.com [64.47.153.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2LJx8Us088332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:59:08 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <514B6687.7070107@bogus.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 12:59:03 -0700 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:19.0) Gecko/20130117 Thunderbird/19.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wpkops WG , wpkops-chairs@tools.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [wpkops] Volunteers Wanted. X-BeenThere: wpkops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:59:12 -0000 Hey folks. I was pleased to see the extent to which the first chartered meeting of wpkops went down down something in the capaable hands of it's first-time wg chair. I've been looking for an additional chair to assist the very capable Sharon Boyen and round out the roster. At this point I'd like to throw the process of finding a new chair open to volunteers. If you are willing any able to serve in the role of co-chair for wpkops would you shoot me an email offlist? I'll follow up individually over the next couple of days with the volunteers and see if we can't get someone to share the (not yet daunting) workload. thanks joel