= On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:

=20 =20
Hi,

https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html -> "Meetin= g Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82.
Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-)

Regards, Benoit.

Internet Engineering Task Force = (IETF)

48377 Fremont Blvd., = Ste. 117
Fremont, California 94538 / USA
T: = +1.510.492.4082
F: +1.510.492.4001
www.ietf.org

= --Apple-Mail-4-857356254-- From bclaise@cisco.com Thu Dec 1 09:58:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E4111E8262 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:58:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.373 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.373 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.225, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5uVNNCY8fcul for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B0711E81D6 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:58:06 -0800 (PST) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pB1Hw2SY025224; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:58:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.60.67.84] (ams-bclaise-8913.cisco.com [10.60.67.84]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pB1Hw11L009502; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:58:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4ED7C029.7090201@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:58:01 +0100 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wanda Lo Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? References: <4ED7B877.8030600@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090101070301020007070204" Cc: WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 17:58:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090101070301020007070204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Wanda Regards, Benoit. > This has been corrected. > > Thanks, > Wanda > On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html -> "Meeting >> Materials Manager >> " goes to >> IETF83, and not to IETF82. >> Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-) >> >> Regards, Benoit. > > > > > > > =========================== > Wanda Lo / Project Manager > Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 > Fremont, California 94538 / USA > T: +1.510.492.4082 > F: +1.510.492.4001 > _www.ietf.org _ > /--/// > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > > > > --------------090101070301020007070204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Wanda

Regards, Benoit.

This has been corrected.

Thanks,

Wanda

On Dec 1, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:

Hi,

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html -> "Meeting Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82.
Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-)

Regards, Benoit.

===========================

Wanda Lo / Project Manager

Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)

48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117
Fremont, California 94538 / USA
T: +1.510.492.4082
F: +1.510.492.4001
www.ietf.org

--

Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS)

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--------------090101070301020007070204-- From housley@vigilsec.com Thu Dec 1 10:56:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E781F0C4B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:56:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.658 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.658 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSqoJaX7-cap for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A965C1F0C4A for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 10:56:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F5A9A47CB for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:56:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rU2XUTRy3NC4 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (pool-96-231-29-247.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.29.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7898A9A47C8 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:56:41 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <52CBDCFA-5FA6-4938-B63F-346AC4E725CC@amsl.com> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 13:56:13 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <39B3AE39-953A-4774-8B70-54EE0CC8C5BA@vigilsec.com> References: <7732CE1F-67D1-4E39-BE91-0EBA4474CE5A@amsl.com> <047A678B-59D8-41D9-9F6F-82E22C4A53C5@vigilsec.com> <52CBDCFA-5FA6-4938-B63F-346AC4E725CC@amsl.com> To: IETF WG Chairs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 18:56:15 -0000 WG Chairs: Seven interim or virtual interim WGs have occurred in the last 18 months = that do not have posted minutes. This is completely unacceptable. = Minutes are a vital part of an open and transparent process. I believe = that each WG chair as been nudged over the last two or three months = about the missing minutes. I will advocate that these groups will not be permitted to hold future = interim meetings until the delinquent minutes are posted. Russ From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Thu Dec 1 11:06:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248651F0CB4 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:06:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ni+66p714VFT for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66421F0CB0 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:06:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=k2U0mXm2Z7T+YfMPZW2IF6zwvvAdWB+RITXMIcwJJDgaDS8NF6MPBhBpu0qtDMgQ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.41.55.130] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1RWBxn-0007rL-OD for wgchairs@ietf.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:06:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01ccb05c$904320e0$6b01a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "IETF WG Chairs" References: <7732CE1F-67D1-4E39-BE91-0EBA4474CE5A@amsl.com><047A678B-59D8-41D9-9F6F-82E22C4A53C5@vigilsec.com><52CBDCFA-5FA6-4938-B63F-346AC4E725CC@amsl.com> <39B3AE39-953A-4774-8B70-54EE0CC8C5BA@vigilsec.com> Subject: Re: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:08:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d88874e73e997ea5cd0f415d2f06729e78749a327ce201ad3f6c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.41.55.130 X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:06:35 -0000 Hi - > From: "Russ Housley" > To: "IETF WG Chairs" > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 10:56 AM > Subject: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes ... > I will advocate that these groups will not be permitted to hold future > interim meetings until the delinquent minutes are posted. If no minutes appear after fair warning, I think the offending WGs should simply be disbanded, and their documents submitted since the meeting in question should be withdrawn from the standards track. Randy From Ted.Lemon@nominum.com Thu Dec 1 11:26:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FD621F8E95 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:26:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.447 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.447 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oUvQG2clkgx5 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod7og111.obsmtp.com (exprod7og111.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2262D1F0C36 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell-too.nominum.com ([64.89.228.229]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob111.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTtfUkRqjNcYRVXyzHHZB67r5qO1/W770@postini.com; Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:25:08 PST Received: from archivist.nominum.com (archivist.nominum.com [64.89.228.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by shell-too.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF82F1B827C for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.nominum.com (cas-01.win.nominum.com [64.89.228.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nominum.com", Issuer "Go Daddy Secure Certification Authority" (verified OK)) by archivist.nominum.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3E93190052; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ted.Lemon@nominum.com) Received: from MBX-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.133]) by CAS-01.WIN.NOMINUM.COM ([64.89.228.131]) with mapi id 14.01.0339.001; Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:25:04 -0800 From: Ted Lemon To: Randy Presuhn Subject: Re: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes Thread-Topic: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes Thread-Index: AQHMsFyPGrtE9XN7LEqUY+F8iKv3EJXH4zyA Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:25:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7732CE1F-67D1-4E39-BE91-0EBA4474CE5A@amsl.com><047A678B-59D8-41D9-9F6F-82E22C4A53C5@vigilsec.com><52CBDCFA-5FA6-4938-B63F-346AC4E725CC@amsl.com> <39B3AE39-953A-4774-8B70-54EE0CC8C5BA@vigilsec.com> <000e01ccb05c$904320e0$6b01a8c0@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000e01ccb05c$904320e0$6b01a8c0@oemcomputer> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.1.10] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C2A2C752A0964DD88F020675A18664FCnominumcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:26:41 -0000 --_000_C2A2C752A0964DD88F020675A18664FCnominumcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Randy Presuhn wrote: If no minutes appear after fair warning, I think the offending WGs should simply be disbanded, and their documents submitted since the meeting in question should be withdrawn from the standards track. I think we should string 'em up. Why go for half measures? Seriously, in the case for instance of the DHC working group, there have be= en conference calls that were announced properly, and for which I *think* t= here are minutes, but it's possible that someone dropped the ball somewhere= . I think a carrot/stick approach here is more appropriate than a firing = squad. (I'm assuming that the minutes were done properly because I haven't heard o= therwise, but if you are aware of any omissions, please let us know.) --_000_C2A2C752A0964DD88F020675A18664FCnominumcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Dec 1, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Randy Presuhn wrote:

If no minutes appear after fair warning, I think the offending WGs
should simply be disbanded, and their documents submitted
since the meeting in question should be withdrawn from the
standards track.

I think we should string 'em up. Why go for half measures?

Seriously, in the case for instance of the DHC working group, there ha= ve been conference calls that were announced properly, and for which I *thi= nk* there are minutes, but it's possible that someone dropped the ball some= where. I think a carrot/stick approach here is more appropriate than a firing squad.

(I'm assuming that the minutes were done properly because I haven't he= ard otherwise, but if you are aware of any omissions, please let us know.)<= /div>

--_000_C2A2C752A0964DD88F020675A18664FCnominumcom_-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Dec 2 05:30:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C225621F8508 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:30:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KRPTCTcYnbrW for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D19B21F93A0 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:61435 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RWTAU-000137-7k; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:28:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4ED8D28C.3070505@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 14:28:44 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WG Chairs X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig50835F008E1126992FBE3E55" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: wgchairs@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com, rpelletier@isoc.org, bob.hinden@gmail.com, paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com Subject: Beta testing of upcoming draft tracking service X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Ray Pelletier , Russ Housley , Paul Hoffman X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 13:30:47 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig50835F008E1126992FBE3E55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Introduction ------------ We now have an implementation of RFC 6293 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc= 6293) "Requirements for Internet-Draft Tracking by the IETF Community in the Datatracker" ready for some testing. It would be much appreciated if you would assist in testing this. If you go to http://beta.community.yaco.es/ you'll see a pretty ordinary datatracker first page; in order to test the new functionality you'll nee= d to get and use a test login. Account Setup ------------- You acquire a test login by clicking on the 'New Account' link at the top= of the lefthand menubar, and then follow the 'Request an account' link. Fill in the email address you want to use, and you'll be sent an email wi= th further instructions. Once you've completed those, you'll have an accoun= t on the beta server which you can use to test the draft tracking service. Setting up documents to track ----------------------------- Use your account to log in. You will now see a new link in the lefthand menubar, under "Community ID lists": "Personal list". Click this, and you'll be taken to a page with 5 tabs, where you can set up the rules for drafts you want to follow, and see the generated status page which lists all the drafts you've chosen. So far, so good -- it would be appreciated if you would test this out, an= d send feedback to the yaco-community-tool@ietf.org mailing list about what= you find. Triggering notifications ------------------------ There is one part of the functionality which is complete, but will requir= e manual work by the testers in order to manifest: Normally, email notifications about changes to the documents you have set up for tracking= will be sent out as soon as an AD, Chair, or someone from the secretariat= goes in and changes status for a document. As this isn't happening on th= e beta server, it is required that you as a tester go in and make changes i= n order to see change notifications coming. The developer has set up a particular user which has been given authority= to change the state of any draft in any stream: 'stream_user' with passwo= rd 'stream_user'. Please use this to go in and change the state of document= s you have set up tracking for, in order to exercise the notification featu= re. We are aware that this is less than ideal, but we don't currently have an= y way to trigger changes in the beta server based on actions taken in the production server. Questions, feedback ------------------- As mentioned earlier, please send questions and feedback to the mailing list set up for the project: yaco-community-tool@ietf.org. Best regards, Henrik --------------enig50835F008E1126992FBE3E55 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk7Y0o0ACgkQeVhrtTJkXCP7XACgj3Bq8edXgsvOZQhEer+uZeai UHcAoPtW2bi/IWF3HwRfhFF6zeCZKvxn =NHPU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig50835F008E1126992FBE3E55-- From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Fri Dec 2 08:00:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEC01F0C52 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:00:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nmGWnx8ImsmC for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f172.google.com (mail-vx0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F781F0C45 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by vcbfy13 with SMTP id fy13so2741587vcb.31 for ; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:00:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mhYITDCQ1yV/HVgwYZgLV+TTXOi7cpczoATksP0VUZo=; b=pHivvdCTQNWDGAi+YLrc4rTpvRTwHKOjDpQQsuI631vtmMVOdiV7ELp8PtSoEAOzSE zIm2TcJM3RUEwchO1FA5ps9OVF4s5LT3lYbp6ExO+NzI9E5hcCqvLk2DyVLEFfXLHZUf 7OpOkntSyweyOr4wTn1RxSqOUwJsc7DJbEKhc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.107.82 with SMTP id a18mr1969588vcp.79.1322841657403; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.111.34 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:00:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <39B3AE39-953A-4774-8B70-54EE0CC8C5BA@vigilsec.com> References: <7732CE1F-67D1-4E39-BE91-0EBA4474CE5A@amsl.com> <047A678B-59D8-41D9-9F6F-82E22C4A53C5@vigilsec.com> <52CBDCFA-5FA6-4938-B63F-346AC4E725CC@amsl.com> <39B3AE39-953A-4774-8B70-54EE0CC8C5BA@vigilsec.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:00:57 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes From: Mary Barnes To: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 16:00:58 -0000 Some of us with missing minutes had problems with the new tool for uploading materials for interim meetings. It took a couple weeks to get my email addresses and passwords fixed so that I could upload materials - apparently there is/was more than one ACL for access to the IETF pages and I was still able to access some of the pages with an old email address and password, but not the page with the new tool. I got busy with other things while waiting for this to get fixed (my co-chair had a similar problem), so just missed getting all the materials uploaded. Also, prior to the availability of the tool, there have been cases where I have sent the minutes and other materials, but the secretariat did not seem to receive them. IMHO, I don't think it's fair to penalize the WG - if the chairs aren't doing their jobs, then the ADs should fire them. Regards, Mary. On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > WG Chairs: > > Seven interim or virtual interim WGs have occurred in the last 18 months = that do not have posted minutes. =A0This is completely unacceptable. =A0Min= utes are a vital part of an open and transparent process. =A0I believe that= each WG chair as been nudged over the last two or three months about the m= issing minutes. > > I will advocate that these groups will not be permitted to hold future in= terim meetings until the delinquent minutes are posted. > > Russ > From dcrocker@bbiw.net Fri Dec 2 09:11:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9800D21F8B23 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:11:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2CL1JlXpKn8z for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41BD21F8B1E for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.75] (rrcs-76-79-242-189.west.biz.rr.com [76.79.242.189]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pB2HBaiW006935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <4ED906B4.7080104@bbiw.net> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:11:16 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley Subject: Re: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes References: <7732CE1F-67D1-4E39-BE91-0EBA4474CE5A@amsl.com> <047A678B-59D8-41D9-9F6F-82E22C4A53C5@vigilsec.com> <52CBDCFA-5FA6-4938-B63F-346AC4E725CC@amsl.com> <39B3AE39-953A-4774-8B70-54EE0CC8C5BA@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:11:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:11:46 -0000 On 12/2/2011 8:00 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > IMHO, I don't think it's fair to penalize the WG - if the chairs > aren't doing their jobs, then the ADs should fire them. ... >> I will advocate that these groups will not be permitted to hold future interim meetings until... 1. I suggest not distinguishing between interim from regular meetings. Minutes are minutes. Requirements are requirements. 2. Posting of minutes, in a timely manner, is essential to our process, as others have noted. 3. ADs need to press the chairs and the working group to perform those required actions in the required timely manner. 4. Failure to perform required functions does require remedial action, performed publicly with the working group. 5. If the chairs can't do their job, there are well-established remedies to that. If, however, the real problem lies with the working group, we have other well-established remedies to that problem, too. Take the appropriate action, according to the nature of the actual problem. But please don't confine things to "interim" meetings. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Dec 2 10:25:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC6611E80E7 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AtYd0BotW47X for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ACB11E80E2 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:24:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:64182 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RWXmw-00050o-B4; Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:24:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4ED917E0.30403@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:24:32 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WG Chairs References: <4ED8D28C.3070505@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4ED8D28C.3070505@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig3B48F6FA160AEA7E5E17CD27" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: wgchairs@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com Subject: Re: Beta testing of upcoming draft tracking service X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 18:25:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3B48F6FA160AEA7E5E17CD27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again, One more point related to this: When you create a test login, please use a throwaway password, not something you'd not care for people seeing.= The reason is that although no passwords are stored in database or apache login digest file, passwords will be visible if something goes wrong when you set up your account and a crash log including stack dump is created. Best regards, Henrik On 2011-12-02 14:28 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > Hi, >=20 > Introduction > ------------ >=20 > We now have an implementation of RFC 6293 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/r= fc6293) > "Requirements for Internet-Draft Tracking by the IETF Community in the > Datatracker" ready for some testing. >=20 > It would be much appreciated if you would assist in testing this. >=20 > If you go to http://beta.community.yaco.es/ you'll see a pretty ordinar= y > datatracker first page; in order to test the new functionality you'll n= eed > to get and use a test login. >=20 > Account Setup > ------------- >=20 > You acquire a test login by clicking on the 'New Account' link at the t= op > of the lefthand menubar, and then follow the 'Request an account' link.= > Fill in the email address you want to use, and you'll be sent an email = with > further instructions. Once you've completed those, you'll have an acco= unt > on the beta server which you can use to test the draft tracking service= =2E >=20 > Setting up documents to track > ----------------------------- >=20 > Use your account to log in. You will now see a new link in the lefthan= d > menubar, under "Community ID lists": "Personal list". Click this, and > you'll be taken to a page with 5 tabs, where you can set up the rules > for drafts you want to follow, and see the generated status page which > lists all the drafts you've chosen. >=20 > So far, so good -- it would be appreciated if you would test this out, = and > send feedback to the yaco-community-tool@ietf.org mailing list about wh= at > you find. >=20 > Triggering notifications > ------------------------ >=20 > There is one part of the functionality which is complete, but will requ= ire > manual work by the testers in order to manifest: Normally, email > notifications about changes to the documents you have set up for tracki= ng > will be sent out as soon as an AD, Chair, or someone from the secretari= at > goes in and changes status for a document. As this isn't happening on = the > beta server, it is required that you as a tester go in and make changes= in > order to see change notifications coming. >=20 > The developer has set up a particular user which has been given authori= ty > to change the state of any draft in any stream: 'stream_user' with pass= word > 'stream_user'. Please use this to go in and change the state of docume= nts > you have set up tracking for, in order to exercise the notification fea= ture. >=20 > We are aware that this is less than ideal, but we don't currently have = any > way to trigger changes in the beta server based on actions taken in the= > production server. >=20 > Questions, feedback > ------------------- >=20 > As mentioned earlier, please send questions and feedback to the mailing= > list set up for the project: yaco-community-tool@ietf.org. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 --------------enig3B48F6FA160AEA7E5E17CD27 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk7ZF+gACgkQeVhrtTJkXCMgDQCg/eNSleM1/AWkf0aDfAnSdE73 cO8An1z0Gr/4lfCaczj1vvim0PG4mX63 =dwtN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3B48F6FA160AEA7E5E17CD27-- From housley@vigilsec.com Fri Dec 2 14:04:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423A511E80AE for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:04:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.645 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.645 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id opy6ske5-pQx for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B33621F8B63 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA9B9A47F0; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:04:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C3PBM+8T1vRZ; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.107] (pool-96-231-29-247.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.29.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF59A9A47F1; Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:04:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Missing Interim Meeting Minutes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:04:26 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7732CE1F-67D1-4E39-BE91-0EBA4474CE5A@amsl.com> <047A678B-59D8-41D9-9F6F-82E22C4A53C5@vigilsec.com> <52CBDCFA-5FA6-4938-B63F-346AC4E725CC@amsl.com> <39B3AE39-953A-4774-8B70-54EE0CC8C5BA@vigilsec.com> To: Mary Barnes X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 22:04:29 -0000 Please send me any minutes that you have been unable to get posted via = the tool. Russ On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Mary Barnes wrote: > Some of us with missing minutes had problems with the new tool for > uploading materials for interim meetings. It took a couple weeks to > get my email addresses and passwords fixed so that I could upload > materials - apparently there is/was more than one ACL for access to > the IETF pages and I was still able to access some of the pages with > an old email address and password, but not the page with the new tool. > I got busy with other things while waiting for this to get fixed (my > co-chair had a similar problem), so just missed getting all the > materials uploaded. >=20 > Also, prior to the availability of the tool, there have been cases > where I have sent the minutes and other materials, but the secretariat > did not seem to receive them. >=20 > IMHO, I don't think it's fair to penalize the WG - if the chairs > aren't doing their jobs, then the ADs should fire them. >=20 > Regards, > Mary. >=20 > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >> WG Chairs: >>=20 >> Seven interim or virtual interim WGs have occurred in the last 18 = months that do not have posted minutes. This is completely = unacceptable. Minutes are a vital part of an open and transparent = process. I believe that each WG chair as been nudged over the last two = or three months about the missing minutes. >>=20 >> I will advocate that these groups will not be permitted to hold = future interim meetings until the delinquent minutes are posted. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 From housley@vigilsec.com Sat Dec 3 15:17:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E0B21F9358 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:17:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JExfOAB+z4cU for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D3521F9313 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8EFA9A47F3; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:17:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAQQTQg-fBZ5; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.107] (pool-96-231-29-247.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.29.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B739A4726; Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:17:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Beta testing of upcoming draft tracking service Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4ED8D28C.3070505@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:17:28 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3702D252-FA0B-40BA-9B4E-BDCF04927BE6@vigilsec.com> References: <4ED8D28C.3070505@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: WG Chairs , Paul Hoffman , Ray Pelletier X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:17:33 -0000 Why does the searches tab require an extra link to actually do the = search? Couldn't the search form appear below the instructions? Russ On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Introduction > ------------ >=20 > We now have an implementation of RFC 6293 = (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6293) > "Requirements for Internet-Draft Tracking by the IETF Community in the > Datatracker" ready for some testing. >=20 > It would be much appreciated if you would assist in testing this. >=20 > If you go to http://beta.community.yaco.es/ you'll see a pretty = ordinary > datatracker first page; in order to test the new functionality you'll = need > to get and use a test login. >=20 > Account Setup > ------------- >=20 > You acquire a test login by clicking on the 'New Account' link at the = top > of the lefthand menubar, and then follow the 'Request an account' = link. > Fill in the email address you want to use, and you'll be sent an email = with > further instructions. Once you've completed those, you'll have an = account > on the beta server which you can use to test the draft tracking = service. >=20 > Setting up documents to track > ----------------------------- >=20 > Use your account to log in. You will now see a new link in the = lefthand > menubar, under "Community ID lists": "Personal list". Click this, and > you'll be taken to a page with 5 tabs, where you can set up the rules > for drafts you want to follow, and see the generated status page which > lists all the drafts you've chosen. >=20 > So far, so good -- it would be appreciated if you would test this out, = and > send feedback to the yaco-community-tool@ietf.org mailing list about = what > you find. >=20 > Triggering notifications > ------------------------ >=20 > There is one part of the functionality which is complete, but will = require > manual work by the testers in order to manifest: Normally, email > notifications about changes to the documents you have set up for = tracking > will be sent out as soon as an AD, Chair, or someone from the = secretariat > goes in and changes status for a document. As this isn't happening on = the > beta server, it is required that you as a tester go in and make = changes in > order to see change notifications coming. >=20 > The developer has set up a particular user which has been given = authority > to change the state of any draft in any stream: 'stream_user' with = password > 'stream_user'. Please use this to go in and change the state of = documents > you have set up tracking for, in order to exercise the notification = feature. >=20 > We are aware that this is less than ideal, but we don't currently have = any > way to trigger changes in the beta server based on actions taken in = the > production server. >=20 > Questions, feedback > ------------------- >=20 > As mentioned earlier, please send questions and feedback to the = mailing > list set up for the project: yaco-community-tool@ietf.org. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 From ietf@augustcellars.com Sun Dec 4 14:08:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC3F21F8AF4 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:08:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-K4SGOiHxa9 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BD821F8A67 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tobias (unknown [50.46.85.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: schaad@nwlink.com) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 606CC2C9F7; Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:08:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" , "'WG Chairs'" References: <4ED8D28C.3070505@levkowetz.com> <4ED917E0.30403@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4ED917E0.30403@levkowetz.com> Subject: RE: Beta testing of upcoming draft tracking service Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 14:07:32 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301ccb2d1$1fba16e0$5f2e44a0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQI5s8en1ZAUh5x3YCxGnAwaY3rq6QH7v2FUlOJcmlA= Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:08:02 -0000 Can we do draft submissions followed by working group acceptance of a document? > -----Original Message----- > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Henrik Levkowetz > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:25 AM > To: WG Chairs > Subject: Re: Beta testing of upcoming draft tracking service > > Hi again, > > One more point related to this: When you create a test login, please use a > throwaway password, not something you'd not care for people seeing. > > The reason is that although no passwords are stored in database or apache > login digest file, passwords will be visible if something goes wrong when you > set up your account and a crash log including stack dump is created. > > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > On 2011-12-02 14:28 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: > > Hi, > > > > Introduction > > ------------ > > > > We now have an implementation of RFC 6293 > > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6293) > > "Requirements for Internet-Draft Tracking by the IETF Community in the > > Datatracker" ready for some testing. > > > > It would be much appreciated if you would assist in testing this. > > > > If you go to http://beta.community.yaco.es/ you'll see a pretty > > ordinary datatracker first page; in order to test the new > > functionality you'll need to get and use a test login. > > > > Account Setup > > ------------- > > > > You acquire a test login by clicking on the 'New Account' link at the > > top of the lefthand menubar, and then follow the 'Request an account' link. > > Fill in the email address you want to use, and you'll be sent an email > > with further instructions. Once you've completed those, you'll have > > an account on the beta server which you can use to test the draft tracking > service. > > > > Setting up documents to track > > ----------------------------- > > > > Use your account to log in. You will now see a new link in the > > lefthand menubar, under "Community ID lists": "Personal list". Click > > this, and you'll be taken to a page with 5 tabs, where you can set up > > the rules for drafts you want to follow, and see the generated status > > page which lists all the drafts you've chosen. > > > > So far, so good -- it would be appreciated if you would test this out, > > and send feedback to the yaco-community-tool@ietf.org mailing list > > about what you find. > > > > Triggering notifications > > ------------------------ > > > > There is one part of the functionality which is complete, but will > > require manual work by the testers in order to manifest: Normally, > > email notifications about changes to the documents you have set up for > > tracking will be sent out as soon as an AD, Chair, or someone from the > > secretariat goes in and changes status for a document. As this isn't > > happening on the beta server, it is required that you as a tester go > > in and make changes in order to see change notifications coming. > > > > The developer has set up a particular user which has been given > > authority to change the state of any draft in any stream: > > 'stream_user' with password 'stream_user'. Please use this to go in > > and change the state of documents you have set up tracking for, in order to > exercise the notification feature. > > > > We are aware that this is less than ideal, but we don't currently have > > any way to trigger changes in the beta server based on actions taken > > in the production server. > > > > Questions, feedback > > ------------------- > > > > As mentioned earlier, please send questions and feedback to the > > mailing list set up for the project: yaco-community-tool@ietf.org. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Henrik > > From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Dec 5 04:15:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C337521F8B5E; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:15:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V+zD37Q0O+wX; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971DA21F8B03; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:50842 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RXXS2-000799-3G; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:15:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4EDCB5CA.7060803@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:15:06 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Schaad References: <4ED8D28C.3070505@levkowetz.com> <4ED917E0.30403@levkowetz.com> <00b301ccb2d1$1fba16e0$5f2e44a0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <00b301ccb2d1$1fba16e0$5f2e44a0$@augustcellars.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: ietf@augustcellars.com, wgchairs@ietf.org, yaco-community-tool@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com Subject: Re: Beta testing of upcoming draft tracking service X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: 'WG Chairs' , yaco-community-tool@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:15:55 -0000 Hi Jim, On 2011-12-04 23:07 Jim Schaad said: > Can we do draft submissions followed by working group acceptance of a > document? You should be able to, although I've not tested doing draft submissions against the beta server. If anything, there might be a problem with missing draft repository directories, but we can fix that if there is a problem. Best regards, Henrik >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Henrik Levkowetz >> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:25 AM >> To: WG Chairs >> Subject: Re: Beta testing of upcoming draft tracking service >> >> Hi again, >> >> One more point related to this: When you create a test login, please use > a >> throwaway password, not something you'd not care for people seeing. >> >> The reason is that although no passwords are stored in database or apache >> login digest file, passwords will be visible if something goes wrong when > you >> set up your account and a crash log including stack dump is created. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> On 2011-12-02 14:28 Henrik Levkowetz said the following: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Introduction >>> ------------ >>> >>> We now have an implementation of RFC 6293 >>> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6293) >>> "Requirements for Internet-Draft Tracking by the IETF Community in the >>> Datatracker" ready for some testing. >>> >>> It would be much appreciated if you would assist in testing this. >>> >>> If you go to http://beta.community.yaco.es/ you'll see a pretty >>> ordinary datatracker first page; in order to test the new >>> functionality you'll need to get and use a test login. >>> >>> Account Setup >>> ------------- >>> >>> You acquire a test login by clicking on the 'New Account' link at the >>> top of the lefthand menubar, and then follow the 'Request an account' > link. >>> Fill in the email address you want to use, and you'll be sent an email >>> with further instructions. Once you've completed those, you'll have >>> an account on the beta server which you can use to test the draft > tracking >> service. >>> >>> Setting up documents to track >>> ----------------------------- >>> >>> Use your account to log in. You will now see a new link in the >>> lefthand menubar, under "Community ID lists": "Personal list". Click >>> this, and you'll be taken to a page with 5 tabs, where you can set up >>> the rules for drafts you want to follow, and see the generated status >>> page which lists all the drafts you've chosen. >>> >>> So far, so good -- it would be appreciated if you would test this out, >>> and send feedback to the yaco-community-tool@ietf.org mailing list >>> about what you find. >>> >>> Triggering notifications >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> There is one part of the functionality which is complete, but will >>> require manual work by the testers in order to manifest: Normally, >>> email notifications about changes to the documents you have set up for >>> tracking will be sent out as soon as an AD, Chair, or someone from the >>> secretariat goes in and changes status for a document. As this isn't >>> happening on the beta server, it is required that you as a tester go >>> in and make changes in order to see change notifications coming. >>> >>> The developer has set up a particular user which has been given >>> authority to change the state of any draft in any stream: >>> 'stream_user' with password 'stream_user'. Please use this to go in >>> and change the state of documents you have set up tracking for, in order > to >> exercise the notification feature. >>> >>> We are aware that this is less than ideal, but we don't currently have >>> any way to trigger changes in the beta server based on actions taken >>> in the production server. >>> >>> Questions, feedback >>> ------------------- >>> >>> As mentioned earlier, please send questions and feedback to the >>> mailing list set up for the project: yaco-community-tool@ietf.org. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Henrik >>> > > > From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Mon Dec 5 19:52:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E388011E80B4 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:52:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCf3CWMXRyEF for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DBA711E80AF for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pB63qKD9023968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:52:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Getting input on remote participation in WG interim meetings Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:52:20 -0800 Message-Id: <612FFC4D-6070-42EE-A5D2-9AA6D9FB9DA5@vpnc.org> To: IETF WG chairs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 03:52:22 -0000 Greetings again. First off: thank you for the input so far on the remote = participation services requirements document. I have gotten a wide range = of responses that will be useful in the document. Next up: interim meetings. Some of the tools that we are talking about = for remote participation will also be useful for WG interim meetings. = Some interim meetings are face-to-face with remote participants, others = are completely virtual. It would be useful to hear the experience of WG = chairs in setting up the remote participation aspect of interim WG = meetings. Before you hit the Reply button or keystroke combination: the remote = participation system requirements will be being discussed on a separate = mailing list that is open to everyone, not just WG chairs. If you are = interested in contributing (other than just sending me comments = directly), please join the vmeet@ietf.org mailing list and discuss = there. The list info is at = . The list has been silent = since July, but it is about to heat up with the various discussion of = these requirements. Thanks in advance! --Paul Hoffman From ietf@augustcellars.com Thu Dec 8 13:52:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4204921F8573 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:52:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.343 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.343 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.256, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E9y6ThFdRBHf for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA93121F8557 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tobias (exodus.augustcellars.com [207.202.179.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: schaad@nwlink.com) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 103E82CA69; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'WG Chairs'" References: <4ED7B877.8030600@cisco.com> <201112011745.pB1Hjjkr020847@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <201112011745.pB1Hjjkr020847@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> Subject: RE: How to upload the meeting minutes? Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:51:42 -0800 Message-ID: <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHuWz0VcFevOGlBLT73Q0repeB6cgLlRVx3lXgFD0A= Content-Language: en-us X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:52:15 -0000 I just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I apparently do not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. However I appear to already have one for IETF83. How do I post my minutes? > -----Original Message----- > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of James M. Polk > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:46 AM > To: Benoit Claise; WG Chairs > Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? > > There should have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 after you identified the > WG you wanted from the list (which may be only 1 URL). > > James > > At 11:25 AM 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: > >Hi, > > > >https://datatra > >cker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html > >-> > >"Meeting > >Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82. > >Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-) > > > >Regards, Benoit. From tony@att.com Thu Dec 8 19:25:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE3121F84A0 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:25:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.904, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R3uqlXEjfcAe for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A5021F8491 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:25:20 -0800 (PST) X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1323401117!4932398!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 13635 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2011 03:25:17 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-8.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 9 Dec 2011 03:25:17 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pB93PjBH011760 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:25:45 -0500 Received: from sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (sflint01.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.228]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pB93PeKl011739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:25:41 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:24:57 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pB93OuaZ026234 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:24:56 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pB93Ojc2026018 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:24:56 -0500 Received: from [135.70.190.66] (vpn-135-70-190-66.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.190.66]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20111209032323gw100e4lkte> (Authid: tony); Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:23:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.190.66] Message-ID: <4EE17F76.4030100@att.com> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:24:38 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Schaad Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? References: <4ED7B877.8030600@cisco.com> <201112011745.pB1Hjjkr020847@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow Cc: 'WG Chairs' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 03:25:21 -0000 and it's not letting me access JOSE for IETF 82 either. Tony On 12/8/2011 4:51 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > I just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I apparently do > not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. However I appear to > already have one for IETF83. > > How do I post my minutes? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of James M. Polk >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:46 AM >> To: Benoit Claise; WG Chairs >> Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? >> >> There should have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 after you identified > the >> WG you wanted from the list (which may be only 1 URL). >> >> James >> >> At 11:25 AM 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> https://datatra >>> cker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html >>> -> >>> "Meeting >>> Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82. >>> Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-) >>> >>> Regards, Benoit. From turners@ieca.com Fri Dec 9 03:52:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1527821F87FA for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.266 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.266 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id giPful5E1Y+7 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway04.websitewelcome.com (gateway04.websitewelcome.com [69.93.154.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9810921F8753 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 03:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by gateway04.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id B5E475C927D7C; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 05:52:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1743.hostgator.com (gator1743.hostgator.com [184.173.253.227]) by gateway04.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA745C927D5C for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 05:52:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from [71.191.7.150] (port=39177 helo=thunderfish.local) by gator1743.hostgator.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RYz0T-0004hC-5r; Fri, 09 Dec 2011 05:52:49 -0600 Message-ID: <4EE1F690.4080803@ieca.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 06:52:48 -0500 From: Sean Turner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? References: <4ED7B877.8030600@cisco.com> <201112011745.pB1Hjjkr020847@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> <4EE17F76.4030100@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE17F76.4030100@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1743.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - ieca.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-71-191-7-150.washdc.east.verizon.net (thunderfish.local) [71.191.7.150]:39177 X-Source-Auth: sean.turner@ieca.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: ZG9tbWdyNDg7ZG9tbWdyNDg7Z2F0b3IxNzQzLmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= Cc: 'WG Chairs' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:52:51 -0000 After some clicking around ... from ietf.org I went to this page via the IETF 82 proceedings link and in the upper left there was a link to the meeting materials manager. It seemed to let me pick IETF 82 or 83. spt On 12/8/11 10:24 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > and it's not letting me access JOSE for IETF 82 either. > > Tony > > On 12/8/2011 4:51 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: >> I just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I apparently do >> not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. However I appear to >> already have one for IETF83. >> >> How do I post my minutes? >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On >>> Behalf Of James M. Polk >>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:46 AM >>> To: Benoit Claise; WG Chairs >>> Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? >>> >>> There should have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 after you >>> identified >> the >>> WG you wanted from the list (which may be only 1 URL). >>> >>> James >>> >>> At 11:25 AM 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> https://datatra >>>> cker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html >>>> -> >>>> "Meeting >>>> Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82. >>>> Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-) >>>> >>>> Regards, Benoit. > From tony@att.com Fri Dec 9 05:46:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5231821F8538 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 05:46:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.962 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.962 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.637, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z+C1aTkPlQeo for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 05:46:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB7D21F84FC for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 05:46:31 -0800 (PST) X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1323438389!39839983!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.4.2; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 2260 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2011 13:46:30 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-10.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 9 Dec 2011 13:46:30 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pB9DkwbI026890 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:46:58 -0500 Received: from sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (sflint02.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.229]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id pB9DkrpR026830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:46:53 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:46:16 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pB9DkGZw025431 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:46:16 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pB9DkFSM025310 for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 08:46:15 -0500 Received: from [135.70.190.66] (vpn-135-70-190-66.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.190.66]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20111209134458gw100e4llme> (Authid: tony); Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:44:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.190.66] Message-ID: <4EE21126.3030709@att.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:46:14 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Turner , "'WG Chairs'" Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? References: <4ED7B877.8030600@cisco.com> <201112011745.pB1Hjjkr020847@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> <4EE17F76.4030100@att.com> <4EE1F690.4080803@ieca.com> In-Reply-To: <4EE1F690.4080803@ieca.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:46:32 -0000 Quite true, but *after* picking IETF 82, the site isn't listing the WGs that it should. I notified the secretariat, as it's *probably* just a database glitch. But other WG chairs should be aware of it just in case it's more widespread than just our WG. Tony On 12/9/2011 6:52 AM, Sean Turner wrote: > After some clicking around ... from ietf.org I went to this page via > the IETF 82 proceedings link and in the upper left there was a link to > the meeting materials manager. It seemed to let me pick IETF 82 or 83. > > spt > > On 12/8/11 10:24 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> and it's not letting me access JOSE for IETF 82 either. >> >> Tony >> >> On 12/8/2011 4:51 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: >>> I just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I >>> apparently do >>> not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. However I appear to >>> already have one for IETF83. >>> >>> How do I post my minutes? >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On >>>> Behalf Of James M. Polk >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:46 AM >>>> To: Benoit Claise; WG Chairs >>>> Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? >>>> >>>> There should have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 after you >>>> identified >>> the >>>> WG you wanted from the list (which may be only 1 URL). >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> At 11:25 AM 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> https://datatra >>>>> >>>>> cker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html >>>>> -> >>>>> "Meeting >>>>> Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82. >>>>> Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Benoit. >> From wlo@amsl.com Fri Dec 9 12:13:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2114A21F86EC for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:13:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ancxM-UzBxnQ for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EBA21F844F for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C5B12C9B8; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:13:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RN+xvDAK36MD; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.116] (108-88-226-113.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.88.226.113]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68C8312C862; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:13:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--590443552 From: Wanda Lo In-Reply-To: <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:13:43 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4ED7B877.8030600@cisco.com> <201112011745.pB1Hjjkr020847@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> To: Jim Schaad X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: 'WG Chairs' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:13:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail-16--590443552 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This should be fixed now. Please try to upload minutes again. https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi Thanks, Wanda On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > I just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I apparently do > not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. However I appear to > already have one for IETF83. > > How do I post my minutes? > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of James M. Polk >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:46 AM >> To: Benoit Claise; WG Chairs >> Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? >> >> There should have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 after you identified > the >> WG you wanted from the list (which may be only 1 URL). >> >> James >> >> At 11:25 AM 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> https://datatra >>> cker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html >>> -> >>> "Meeting >>> Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82. >>> Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-) >>> >>> Regards, Benoit. > =========================== Wanda Lo / Project Manager Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA T: +1.510.492.4082 F: +1.510.492.4001 www.ietf.org -- Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com --Apple-Mail-16--590443552 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii This = should be fixed now. Please try to upload minutes = again.

https:= //datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi

Thanks,

Wanda
On Dec 8, = 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jim Schaad wrote:

I = just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I = apparently do
not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. = However I appear to
already have one for IETF83.

How do = I post my minutes?

-----Original = Message-----
From: = wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] = On
Behalf Of James M. = Polk
Sent: Thursday, December = 01, 2011 9:46 AM
To: Benoit = Claise; WG Chairs
Subject: Re: = How to upload the meeting minutes?

There should = have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 after you = identified
the
WG you = wanted from the list (which may be only 1 = URL).

James

At 11:25 AM = 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise wrote:
Hi,

<https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html&g= t;https://datatra
cker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html
->
"<https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.= cgi>Meeting
Materials Manager" goes to = IETF83, and not to IETF82.
Not paying attention, I uploaded = the IETF83 minutes already ;-)

Regards, = Benoit.

Internet Engineering Task Force = (IETF)
48377 Fremont Blvd., = Ste. 117
Fremont, California 94538 / USA
T: = +1.510.492.4082
F: +1.510.492.4001
www.ietf.org
=

--

= --Apple-Mail-16--590443552-- From ietf@augustcellars.com Fri Dec 9 14:18:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7869421F85BB for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:18:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.445 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.153, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1uY+VWNSC-ko for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135D821F851F for ; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from Tobias (exodus.augustcellars.com [207.202.179.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: schaad@nwlink.com) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9B8EF38E6A; Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Wanda Lo'" References: <4ED7B877.8030600@cisco.com> <201112011745.pB1Hjjkr020847@mtv-core-2.cisco.com> <004301ccb5f3$92e45660$b8ad0320$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: How to upload the meeting minutes? Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:17:25 -0800 Message-ID: <009201ccb6c0$55130e30$ff392a90$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01CCB67D.46F23F30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHuWz0VcFevOGlBLT73Q0repeB6cgLlRVx3AXHKoQAC7u53HpVWmjKA Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'WG Chairs' X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 22:18:00 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CCB67D.46F23F30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it worked - thanks. Jim From: Wanda Lo [mailto:wlo@amsl.com] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 12:14 PM To: Jim Schaad Cc: 'WG Chairs' Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? This should be fixed now. Please try to upload minutes again. https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi Thanks, Wanda On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: I just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I apparently do not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. However I appear to already have one for IETF83. How do I post my minutes? -----Original Message----- From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James M. Polk Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:46 AM To: Benoit Claise; WG Chairs Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting minutes? There should have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 after you identified the WG you wanted from the list (which may be only 1 URL). James At 11:25 AM 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise wrote: Hi, https://datatra cker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html -> "Meeting Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to IETF82. Not paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already ;-) Regards, Benoit. =========================== Wanda Lo / Project Manager Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA T: +1.510.492.4082 F: +1.510.492.4001 www.ietf.org -- Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CCB67D.46F23F30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes it worked – thanks.

Jim

From:= = Wanda Lo [mailto:wlo@amsl.com]
Sent: Friday, December 09, = 2011 12:14 PM
To: Jim Schaad
Cc: 'WG = Chairs'
Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting = minutes?

This should = be fixed now. Please try to upload minutes = again.

https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi
<= div>

Thanks,
Wanda
On = Dec 8, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Jim Schaad wrote:

I = just went out to upload my minutes for IETF82 and JOSE. I = apparently do
not have a working group scheduled yet for IETF 82. = However I appear to
already have one for IETF83.

How do = I post my minutes?

-----Original Message-----
From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:wgchairs-bounc= es@ietf.org] On
Behalf Of James M. = Polk
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:46 = AM
To: = Benoit Claise; WG Chairs
Subject: Re: How to upload the meeting = minutes?

There should have been a choice for IETF82 or IETF83 = after you identified
the

WG you = wanted from the list (which may be only 1 = URL).

James

At = 11:25 AM 12/1/2011, Benoit Claise = wrote:
Hi,

<https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html>https://datatra
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->
"<https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi>Meeting=
Materials Manager" goes to IETF83, and not to = IETF82.
Not = paying attention, I uploaded the IETF83 minutes already = ;-)

Regards, = Benoit.

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4= 8377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. = 117
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------=_NextPart_000_0093_01CCB67D.46F23F30-- From wlo@amsl.com Thu Dec 15 09:23:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4985F21F847A for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:23:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VJKjqpRFL0zV for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8952021F845A for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D5612D163; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:23:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YGDNzNlJt6Sx; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [12.22.58.170] (unknown [12.22.58.170]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B530212D12B; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:23:36 -0800 (PST) From: Wanda Lo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--82254193 Subject: Request For IETF 82 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:23:32 -0800 Message-Id: To: WG Chairs Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: irsg@irtf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:23:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2--82254193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs, =20 I am in the process of compiling the proceedings for IETF 82 and we are = still missing meeting minutes from various sessions. The cutoff for = submissions is tomorrow Friday, December 16th, and correction = submissions cutoff is January 5, 2012. Please upload meeting minutes, = as well as any presentations from your sessions, at your earliest = convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi. = Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org or = wlo@amsl.com for manual posting. Groups I still need minutes from are: Application Area -WEBSEC -WEIRDS (BOF) Internet Area -DHC -PCP -SOFTWIRE -TICTOC -TRILL Operations and Management -ARMD -GROW -IPFIX -MBONED -MULTRANS (BOF) -RADEXT Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area -AVTEXT -RTCWEB Routing Area -AVTCORE -AVTEXT -CLUE -CODEC -GEOPRIV -P2PSIP -RTCWEB -VIPR Routing -L2VPN Security -KRB-WG -SAAG Transport Area -BEHAVE -CONEX -TSVWG IRTF -IRTF https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/82/materials.html If you have any questions, please let me know.=20 =20 Thanks, Wanda =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Wanda Lo / Project Manager Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117=20 Fremont, California 94538 / USA=20 T: +1.510.492.4082 F: +1.510.492.4001=20 www.ietf.org =20 -- Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com --Apple-Mail-2--82254193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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= --Apple-Mail-2--82254193-- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Thu Dec 15 10:00:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6072221F889A for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7PEFc-I4op57 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E411F21F84A3 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pBFI0iaP096987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:00:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Subject: Re: Request For IETF 82 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:00:44 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: WG Chairs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:00:46 -0000 FWIW, there is at least one WG on Wanda's list of those who haven't = turned in minutes who are actively discussing having a virtual interim = in January. That's Just Wrong. --Paul Hoffman From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Thu Dec 15 11:50:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB2321F84FC for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:50:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.383, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2i88L1Kk8P7G for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from scss.tcd.ie (hermes.cs.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:889f:cdff:fe8d:ccd2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE43321F84F9 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3135171EA0; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:50:46 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:date:message-id:received :received:x-virus-scanned; s=cs; t=1323978646; bh=8MA7fyxvRWgM0U 8eHpYFVxk7R34rm6qDkxYNzB1rw3E=; b=F0IpOEfZhz1W2p6vYbHTtVHuQt6dO/ dmfguVQytWqpxy+20HE1YB34IvEpleXZ2kyUSvexdIp1xofXfJmNUUhGsYK4n6k+ RJhzDP/MvKW7OzA6uR7xOYGlh1g3uex0QlSJSaCarUSDsYzKCq9ipkHtzBmYh78R tQ6oIhDLsbCgiKoEGR+DZrOKJJeQRO3sdM7KS3KHV7OokgTaaFWreuxgd3OBEVFN DWFqNLv838oBppYZY9YhAzQHAt0b68Wj6O0E5mTggZOhzG0oXFr8aLwAW1DOveOy 1Bt3Yu1ihGfzqrqbkAZobcTz0fEPBebYSm4V51GYrMVEA/8DA7HZRlnQ== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 2JVKCfsFG9Ql; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.5] (unknown [86.45.52.162]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B08B171C24; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:50:45 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4EEA4F95.40702@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:50:45 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: Request For IETF 82 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:50:51 -0000 On 12/15/2011 06:00 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > FWIW, there is at least one WG on Wanda's list of those who haven't turned in minutes who are actively discussing having a virtual interim in January. True. And I've scheduled to post saag minutes tomorrow as well. > That's Just Wrong. Disagree. With both the opinion, And The Emphasis. The deadline for submissions is tomorrow. Are you suggesting we do no virtual work (e.g. send mail to lists) between f2f sessions and the time the minutes are posted? Are you suggesting that it not be allowed to start to arrange an interim meeting at a f2f session because the minutes hadn't yet been posted? Either would be Just Wrong and Would Amount to Meaningless Bureaucracy IMO. There could be cases of WGs where getting the minutes out and corrected before scheduling a virtual might make a difference. I'd say that's not the norm though. In any case you've jumped the gun here. If those minutes are still missing Monday then your mail might be justifiable. S. > > --Paul Hoffman > > From ted.ietf@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 11:55:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5D321F854D for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.580, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CgFzQSmETQ3e for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A0F21F853B for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by yhjj72 with SMTP id j72so2925581yhj.31 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3Hcr7fRpGhgb8nvrNE4NdSlKPMF/zI5LCkuqDI30xgw=; b=GoO+2lMb4BWVGX0S5Q8+h4JEoDmd0GnhAoqWTFuxWqmA8qW+946P2jXPtgjTg7nQGp DwJ3hOLQLKLnXscXYAjlAWM1gJHuSTMNGpsOqllpKugoACPiweuz5GMFO04kBlOImA/1 V4qTClfzZgKOwgf5PmGPJI+y6NdNymkMGnoMY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.185.35 with SMTP id t23mr6695587yhm.99.1323978942569; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.40 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:55:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:55:42 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request For IETF 82 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations From: Ted Hardie To: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:55:44 -0000 On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > FWIW, there is at least one WG on Wanda's list of those who haven't turned in minutes who are actively discussing having a virtual interim in January. That's Just Wrong. > > --Paul Hoffman > This may be RTC-WEB, since we are both delinquent and planning an interim. In our defense, the chair that had the token has had an appendectomy, and I didn't realize until today that he hadn't gotten to it before being stricken. I will re-assign the token to myself (Cullen having cleverly moved himself to Australia for the moment), and we will be on-time if I can make it so. Ted From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Thu Dec 15 12:23:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE4111E80AD for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:23:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NR4kcP9sdJaj for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F56711E80AA for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pBFKNYW4002730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:23:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Subject: Re: Request For IETF 82 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <4EEA4F95.40702@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:23:34 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <686F05E4-C7A7-43CD-B740-4B2A88EE7749@vpnc.org> References: <4EEA4F95.40702@cs.tcd.ie> To: Stephen Farrell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:23:40 -0000 On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> That's Just Wrong. >=20 > Disagree. With both the opinion, And The Emphasis. >=20 > The deadline for submissions is tomorrow. Are you suggesting > we do no virtual work (e.g. send mail to lists) between f2f sessions > and the time the minutes are posted? No. > Are you suggesting that it not be allowed to start to arrange > an interim meeting at a f2f session because the minutes hadn't > yet been posted? Yes. > Either would be Just Wrong and Would Amount to Meaningless > Bureaucracy IMO. We disagree about minutes being Meaningless Bureaucracy. IMO, if WG = participants can't follow what happened at the f2f meeting that = necessitates a virtual interim, they can't decide whether or not to wait = for the virtual interim or, instead, just try to get the needed = discussion happening on the list instead. The communication that happens at f2f meetings with remote participants, = and virtual interims will all remote participants, has a different = quality than that which happens on mailing lists. The minutes of those = meetings is the primary way to tie the two together. Personally, I'm not = nearly as concerned with minutes in the proceedings as with minutes = going to the WG so that the WG can move forwards with the benefits (if = any) of the meetings. --Paul Hoffman From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Thu Dec 15 12:27:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9404D11E80C2 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:27:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.212, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I9u9pK89I1q9 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9865D11E80C3 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by vbbfo1 with SMTP id fo1so933072vbb.31 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:27:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jMbIelaTAMns3q7azu56vQWIdrIHZgeJZbdSqQpoOKI=; b=JRBXCydx1Yz/3jvcLMUUv6h9DQh3zZmyr6AiUZRfK5HbDskqcos+GbEt1jKlIsMow+ okq945toBtTJMrKv55y/CDN+Yt1836sV4ZC6pDbIFGqrzVTce1cyZCPsl9xlGDHhMgRD n/7lHXvve3gqrrGxqZLW1dcLgz98NcIYc7ks0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.30.130 with SMTP id s2mr4299331vdh.55.1323980827910; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.108.196 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:27:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:27:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request For IETF 82 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations From: Mary Barnes To: Ted Hardie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: WG Chairs , Paul Hoffman X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:27:09 -0000 Or it could be CLUE ;) I agree with Stephen - the deadline is tomorrow. My co-chair and I have been working on the minutes and we should be able to get them uploaded today. I made sure that anyone (e.g., document authors) that might have wanted the details has the detailed minutes from the meeting from which the chairs derive the official meeting minutes. Personally, I'd rather have minutes a bit later if the chairs take the time to add summaries, lists of action items, etc. rather than just dumping the raw notes, which is what some WGs do (or have done in the past). Mary. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Ted Hardie wrote: > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Paul Hoffman wr= ote: >> FWIW, there is at least one WG on Wanda's list of those who haven't turn= ed in minutes who are actively discussing having a virtual interim in Janua= ry. That's Just Wrong. >> >> --Paul Hoffman >> > > This may be RTC-WEB, since we are both delinquent and planning an > interim. =A0In our defense, the chair that had the token has had an > appendectomy, and I didn't realize until today that he hadn't gotten > to it before being stricken. =A0I will re-assign the token to myself > (Cullen having cleverly moved himself to Australia for the moment), > and we will be on-time if I can make it so. > > Ted From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Thu Dec 15 12:36:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DCB11E80BE for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:36:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9gBc6A8N78vK for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from scss.tcd.ie (hermes.cs.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:889f:cdff:fe8d:ccd2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B60011E80BC for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F3D171EA0; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:36:34 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:date:message-id:received :received:x-virus-scanned; s=cs; t=1323981394; bh=VSGNZELJHQi61s hUoFzZOP2IeanxXaraJg1bMqbtOKs=; b=hssriyKUbwbCLTm7ibGnxnvKzKWpNF wSG+yUoeVrw37UkAyvKiL5WTRhf1vXjO1dC9mRO8+cAa5UDPKOdiB/D1+gfW4M5f JN0fJqiH+/uHJ3xJcGDhXmkyhDMaqogmPO3qBpV+nKBRqmvexYeksWhBdTt0kZJ5 /yaRxvojmPcoIZ3hBc3iSCgW5rjsY339Q7klCXv/oNj6TWbvVfKoMOgV5LrH2q/8 8MTXjCJ6hOEHx6Y7BnJ9EZ16YJtK1Eh9qpLjirbA3+gcB30ocWuE7sg4xMsfg6jG OLS8eRZc2ofIXF+WZH6tX3GiumjKNHGS2awHzCye7+HoFZPBA1zmKfdQ== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id n3TnYwMBWnHb; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:36:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.3] (unknown [86.46.19.65]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 290C9171C24; Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:36:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4EEA5A51.8090606@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:36:33 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: Request For IETF 82 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations References: <4EEA4F95.40702@cs.tcd.ie> <686F05E4-C7A7-43CD-B740-4B2A88EE7749@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <686F05E4-C7A7-43CD-B740-4B2A88EE7749@vpnc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: WG Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:36:36 -0000 On 12/15/2011 08:23 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Dec 15, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >> Either would be Just Wrong and Would Amount to Meaningless >> Bureaucracy IMO. > > We disagree about minutes being Meaningless Bureaucracy. Paul - where did I say that? I think you're mixed up or quoting someone else's opinion or something I guess. > IMO, if WG participants can't follow what happened at the f2f meeting that necessitates a virtual interim, they can't decide whether or not to wait for the virtual interim or, instead, just try to get the needed discussion happening on the list instead. > > The communication that happens at f2f meetings with remote participants, and virtual interims will all remote participants, has a different quality than that which happens on mailing lists. The minutes of those meetings is the primary way to tie the two together. Personally, I'm not nearly as concerned with minutes in the proceedings as with minutes going to the WG so that the WG can move forwards with the benefits (if any) of the meetings. I think your mileage will vary here and chairs should do right thing so long as they meet the specified due-dates. That's shown to a degree by the fact that your argument has to be conditional. ("...if WG participants...") Where all the relevant folks know what's up then there's no big deal. In other cases it could be a big deal, as I said before. Maybe someone ought survey remote participants in the relevant WG about all this to see whether or not that condition applies:-) And of course the deadline is (still) in the future... S. > > --Paul Hoffman > > From wwwrun@ietfa.amsl.com Mon Dec 19 10:07:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietf.org Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id F337E11E8098; Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) From: IETF Agenda To: Working Group Chairs Subject: 83rd IETF - Working Group/BOF Scheduling Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20111219180753.F337E11E8098@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:07:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: irsg@irtf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:07:54 -0000 83rd IETF – Paris, France Meeting Dates: March 25-30, 2012 Host: TBD ----------------------------------------------------------------- IETF meetings start Monday morning and run through Friday afternoon (13:30). We are accepting scheduling requests for all Working Groups and BOFs starting today. The milestones and deadlines for scheduling-related activities are as follows: NOTE: cutoff dates are subject to change. - 2011-12-19 (Monday): Working Group and BOF scheduling begins. To request a Working Group session, use the IETF Meeting Session Request Tool. - 2012-01-30 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to schedule Working Group meetings at 17:00 PT (UTC -8). To request a Working Group session, use the IETF Meeting Session Request Tool. - 2012- 02-13 (Monday): Cutoff date for BOF proposal requests to Area Directors at 17:00 PT (UTC -8). 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Submitting Requests for Working Group and BOF Sessions Please submit requests to schedule your Working Group sessions using the "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool," a Web-based tool for submitting all of the information that the Secretariat requires to schedule your sessions. The URL for the tool is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_session_requester.cgi Instructions for using the tool are available at: http://www.ietf.org/instructions/session_request_tool_instruction.html Please send requests to schedule your BOF sessions to agenda@ietf.org. Please include the acronym of your BOF in the subject line of the message, and include all of the information specified in item (4) of "Requesting Meeting Sessions at IETF Meetings" in the body. (This document is included below.) Submitting Session Agendas For the convenience of meeting attendees, we ask that you submit the agendas for your Working Group sessions as early as possible. 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The URL for the tool is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi Additional information about this tool is available at: http://www.ietf.org/instructions/meeting_materials_tool.html Agendas submitted via the tool will be available to the public on the "IETF Meeting Materials" Web page as soon as they are submitted. The URL for the "IETF 83 Meeting Materials" Web page is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/materials.html If you are a Working Group chair, then you already have accounts on the "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool" and the "IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool." The same User ID and password will work for both tools. If you are a BOF chair who is not also a Working Group chair, then you will be given an account on the "IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool" when your BOF has been approved. If you require assistance in using either tool, or wish to report a bug, then please send a message to: ietf-action@ietf.org. =============================================================== For your convenience, comprehensive information on requesting meeting sessions at IETF 83 is presented below: 1. Requests to schedule Working Group sessions should be submitted using the "IETF Meeting Session Request Tool," a Web-based tool for submitting all of the information required by the Secretariat to schedule your sessions. The URL for the tool is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_session_requester.cgi Instructions for using the tool are available at: http://www.ietf.org/instructions/session_request_tool_instruction.html If you require an account on this tool, or assistance in using it, then please send a message to ietf-action@ietf.org. If you are unable to use the tool, then you may send your request via e-mail to agenda@ietf.org, with a copy to the appropriate Area Director(s). Requests to schedule BOF sessions must be sent to agenda@ietf.org with a copy to the appropriate Area Director(s). When submitting a Working Group or BOF session request by e-mail, please include the Working Group or BOF acronym in the Subject line. 2. BOFs will NOT be scheduled unless the Area Director(s) approved the BOF. The proponents behind a BOF need to contact a relevant Area Director, preferably well in advance of the BOF approval deadline date. The AD needs to have the full name of the BOF, its acronym, suggested names of chairs, an agenda, full description of the BOF and the information covered in item 4. Please read RFC 5434 for instructions on how to drive a successful BOF effort. The approval depends on, for instance, Internet-Drafts and list discussion on the suggested topic. BOF agenda requests, if approved, will be submitted to the IETF Secretariat by the ADs. 3. A Working Group may request either one or two sessions. If your Working Group requires more than two sessions, then your request must be approved by an Area Director. Additional sessions will be assigned, based on availability, after Monday, February 27, 2012 at 17:00 PT, the cut-off date for requests to reschedule a session. 4. You MUST provide the following information before a Working Group or BOF session will be scheduled: a. Working Group or BOF full name with acronym in brackets: b. AREA under which Working Group or BOF appears: c. CONFLICTS you wish to avoid, please be as specific as possible: d. Expected Attendance: e. Special requests: f. Number of sessions: g. Length of session: - 1 hour - 1 1/2 hours - 2 hours - 2 1/2 hours For more information on scheduling Working Group and BOF sessions, please refer to RFC 2418 (BCP 25), "IETF Working Group Guidelines and Procedures" (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2418.txt). =============================================================== For your convenience please find here a list of the IETF Area Directors with their e-mail addresses: IETF Chair Russ Housley Applications Area (app) Pete Resnick Peter Saint-Andre Internet Area (int) Jari Arkko Ralph Droms Operations & Management Area (ops) Ronald Bonica Dan Romascanu Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area (rai) Gonzalo Camarillo Robert Sparks Routing Area (rtg) Stewart Bryant Adrian Farrel Security Area (sec) Stephen Farrell Sean Turner Transport Area (tsv) Wesley Eddy David Harrington =========================================================== 82nd IETF Meeting Attendance Number - TBA From terry.manderson@icann.org Mon Dec 19 16:12:37 2011 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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:55:47 -0000 83rd IETF Meeting Paris, France March 25-30, 2012 Host: TBD Meeting venue: Le Palais des Congres de Paris http://www.viparis.com/Viparis/exhibition-paris/site/Palais-Congres-Paris-Paris/en/4 Register online at: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/83/ 1. Registration 2. Visas & Letters of Invitation 3. Accommodations: IMPORTANT: Please read hotel cancellation policies 4. Companion Program 1. Registration A. Early-Bird Registration - USD 650.00 Pay by Friday, 16 March 2012 1700 PT (UTC -7) B. After Early-Bird cutoff - USD 800.00 C. Full-time Student Registrations - USD 150.00 (with proper ID) D. One Day Pass Registration - USD 350.00 E. Registration Cancellation Cut-off for registration cancellation is Monday, 19 March 2012 at 1700 PT (UTC -7). Cancellations are subject to a 10% (ten percent) cancellation fee if requested by that date and time. F. Online Registration and Payment ends Friday, 23 March 2012, 1700 local Paris time. G. On-site Registration starting Sunday, 25 March 2012 at 1100 local Paris time. 2. Visas & Letters of Invitation: Information on Visiting France, please visit: http://www.consulfrance-sanfrancisco.org/spip.php?rubrique201 After you complete the registration process, can request an electronic IETF Letter of Invitation. You may also request one at a later time by following the link provided in the confirmation email. Please note that the IETF Letter of Invitation may not be sufficient for obtaining a visa to come to France. We are working with local representatives to secure the appropriate letters for those who need them, and will have more information after January 1, 2012. 3. Accommodations The IETF is holding blocks of guest rooms at 2 hotels in Paris: the Hotel Concorde La Fayette (Headquarter Hotel - connected to meeting venue) and the Le Meridien Etoile (directly across the street from the meeting venue) Room rates include one complimentary daily buffet breakfast and complimentary in-room high-speed Internet access. All service fees and VAT are included in guest room rates. NOTE: Continental Breakfast will NOT be served at the meeting venue. Reservations Cut off Date: 23 January 2012 at the Le Meridien 09 March 2012 at Hotel Concorde ****Cancellation Policy at Le Meridien**** Guest Cancellation: - There is no charge if room is cancelled prior to March 2012 - There is a one night charge for cancellations made between 09 March and 23 March 2012 - If the room is cancelled from 23 March 2012 or if the guest is a "no-show" then the amount of the entire stay will be charged onto the guest's credit card. Early Departure Fee: Early departure will be charged for the duration of the stay as reserved if changes are made after March 23, 2012. Guest Substitution: Guest name substitute may be made by contacting Corinne Vissenberg . ****Cancellation Policy at Hotel Concorde*** Reservation Deposit and Cancellations: - Guaranteed reservations will be held until the night of the arrival date. - Guests will be be charged 1 night's stay and tax at the time the reservation is made. - 15 days prior to scheduled arrival the guest's credit card shall be charged for an additional 2 nights stay and tax which is non-refundable. Guest Cancellation: - Guest will forfeit the non-refundable deposit paid as of the date of the cancellation. Guest Substitution: - Guests may substitute names for reserved rooms without penalty. Early Departure Fee: - In the event of early departure, the guest will be charged for the remainder of their stay. Should the room nights be re-sold, the guest will be refunded for the resold room nights. For additional information on rates and policies, please visit: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/83/hotel.html 4. Companion Program If you are traveling with a friend or family member over 18 years of age you can register them for the IETF Companion Program for only USD 15.00 Benefits include: - A special welcome reception for companions from 1630-1730 on Sunday, 25 March - Ability to attend the official Welcome Reception from 1700-1900 on Sunday, 25 March - A distinctive meeting badge that grants access to the venue (not to be used to attend working sessions) - Participation in a separate companion email list if you choose to help communicate and make plans with other IETF Companions. You can register your companion at any time via the IETF website or onsite at the meeting. To join the 83 companions mailing list see: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/83companions Only 94 days until the Paris IETF! From wwwrun@ietfa.amsl.com Thu Dec 22 10:44:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietf.org Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 1B10A21F86FF; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:44:50 -0800 (PST) From: IETF Administrative Director To: IETF Announcement list Subject: IETF 91 Meeting Venue! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20111222184450.1B10A21F86FF@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:44:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, iaoc@ietf.org, rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, iab@iab.org, tools-development@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:44:50 -0000 In November of 2014 it will have been 25 years since we were first and last in this beautiful city. The IAOC is pleased to announce the Return of the Nerds to Paradise! Yes, Honolulu, Hawaii! Mark your calendar for IETF 91 on November 9 - 14, 2014, 25 years after 138 pioneers attended IETF 15. Below are links to the IETF 15 Proceedings, attendees list, and its famous t-shirt. The opportunity to Host this historic event is still available, butwill not last! If interested contact Drew Dvorshak at dvorshak@isoc.org. Meanwhile, registration for IETF 83 in Paris has opened! Register now at: . See you in Paris! Happy holidays! Ray Pelletier IETF Administrative Director Proceedings: Nerds T-Shirt: 2012 83 Paris March 25 - 30 Host: Opportunity Available 84 Vancouver July 29 - August 3 Host: Google 85 Atlanta November 4 - 9 Host: North American Cable Industry 2013 86 Orlando March 10 - 15 87 Berlin July 28 - August 2 88 Vancouver November 3 - 8 2014 89 Europe March 2 - 7 90 Toronto July 20 - 25 91 Hawaii November 9 - 14 2015 92 Americas March 22 - 27 93 Europe July 19 - 24 94 Japan November 1 - 6 From dworley@avaya.com Fri Dec 23 12:06:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEAA21F8B21 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:06:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.800, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I2UluzYlNbXu for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AB921F8B1C for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:06:29 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAI/e9E6HCzI1/2dsb2JhbABDrDiBBYF5EihRARUpQicEGxqgCIQTmyCLLGMEiDeSOoxj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,400,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="283302807" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2011 15:06:28 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO DC-US1HCEX3.global.avaya.com) ([135.11.52.22]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 23 Dec 2011 14:53:54 -0500 Received: from DC-US1MBEX4.global.avaya.com ([169.254.1.137]) by DC-US1HCEX3.global.avaya.com ([135.11.52.22]) with mapi; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:06:27 -0500 From: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" To: "wgchairs@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:06:27 -0500 Subject: Validating an XML schema Thread-Topic: Validating an XML schema Thread-Index: AQHMwa5ZTMpGlu2tfES1Osxswls8sA== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:06:30 -0000 As part of the document shepherd writeup of an I-D, I am supposed to run a proposed XML schema through an automated validator. The problem being that I don't know of an automated validator. I am not the first document shepherd to have this problem, so I am inquiring if there is a known, reliable way to validate XML schemas within I-Ds. Dale From sm@elandsys.com Fri Dec 23 12:16:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBD721F8B24 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:16:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oMf5fjYiwlJq for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.elandsys.com (mail.elandsys.com [208.69.177.125]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E81E21F8B12 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.elandsys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id pBNKFfEr017461; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:15:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1324671354; bh=qgJoTEnx1CwYuALsVbB1arT4cjI=; h=Message-Id:Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=cjt3zlxZ866DjpaKhzKJUW9dI1yFfErgpAocYRfuWSAAYpY7mkvuckoCLCrT+FoH9 kj38Twgbab1dn/4jm50LPZC0vwdaBIJ0NQqzyP/jTt+cntTPXnt3wOmv+2t7YQ9Vse g65BTqncFjv8jVXScNa++zSXo+H/jQ+Egr/VnNi4= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20111223121406.09013e60@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:15:15 -0800 To: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" From: S Moonesamy Subject: Re: Validating an XML schema In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:16:13 -0000 Hi Dale, At 12:06 23-12-2011, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: >As part of the document shepherd writeup of an I-D, I am supposed >to run a proposed XML schema through an automated validator. >The problem being that I don't know of an automated validator. See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki Regards, S. Moonesamy From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Fri Dec 23 14:01:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACF821F8B0E for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:01:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.496 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.103, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u58SNrf4bFrr for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C6621F8B0D for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pBNM1JtD012835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:01:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Subject: Re: Validating an XML schema Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:01:19 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: "Worley, Dale R (Dale)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:01:22 -0000 Information on tools useful for shepherding is on the WG chairs wiki: = http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/wgchairs/wiki/WikiStart --Paul Hoffman