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As a reminder, proceedings submission corrections = cutoff date is Wednesday, January 7, = 2009 at 5:00 PM PT.

Please contact me at wlo@amsl.com if you have any questions or concerns.

Thanks,

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From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 10 09:44:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D913A6BE0; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:44:39 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6E6A3A6B6E for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1cJfWYw-39Rw for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f13.google.com (mail-bw0-f13.google.com [209.85.218.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F3E3A6B6C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz6 with SMTP id 6so314261bwz.13 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:49:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=c++3H1gk5TA01Hrg08kT33MxClH9xAj2lnPQZTxgK9o=; b=Rmb/x05pVSqQq8cr8SJN+g6s7vSGL9EC9wos+m1PCkRcnVraBccit7P6rmVf2/hL9W iDZWybtxIdGTGymNnJojjiPhVoPpZ+L9qs5s68yk9XItVGixCrLA2JtqCBwbGfhmMkJz pnOZL1bLedrwwRmLytMEDvWSZ5ctQZz5Aj0bE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=L8ReXjPGhcHsA6qOQNpq0t0l/HgnqhjNAvoQvpiXYwHP+zQOxCIf4QxmkdgUKdtLcW YTtm4k/pQ769RajBaT1e7tPPs4OZmL0dNJR3vjL3XaL10kCdj0QkDPYipPGIBLnXqAAY iw1TTY/I/r5JxIv5Nbs7qaMcExdAFAWrWm2KM= Received: by 10.181.215.9 with SMTP id s9mr156260bkq.212.1228855350716; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.181.26.14 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:42:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72cfb3d70812091242q169ee374tf819b977e2a00a25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:42:30 -0500 From: "Gene Gaines" To: "Alexa Morris" Subject: Re: Letters of Invitation to IETF 74 now available to past attendees In-Reply-To: <02EA0BBD-84D2-4F70-B268-86A6DAE4A6EB@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_112938_16818159.1228855350704" References: <02EA0BBD-84D2-4F70-B268-86A6DAE4A6EB@amsl.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 38c9693160fd607b X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:44:38 -0800 Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org ------=_Part_112938_16818159.1228855350704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Alexa, It is good you set this up. I would like to see more done to eliminate the problems of visas, all the uncertainty and apprehension created in many countries over the difficulties with obtaining visas. The war stories that have been circulated need to be put to rest. I have helped a number of people obtain visas to IETF meetings, and in many cases the person stated his request to the consulate incorrectly, or the consulate person took the wrong action. This issue is so important that ISOC should lend a hand here. There needs to be a formal instruction and support system set up to that persons planning to attend any IETF meeting have in hand basic step-by-step instructions, the government issuing visas is contacted and their application process is documented, then each person should know that ISOC-IETF will be monitoring the process and will step in if assistance is needed. I do not see this as time-consuming or expensive. I am confident we can get a few U.S. senators and the State Department to support what we are doing, and add a bit of quiet muscle if needed. Also important is certainty. If a engineer wants to attend an IETF, but is not comfortable with the process, or is concerned that his visa may not be issued in time, and after his company has agreed to spend the money, he is likely not to attempt to go. If they want to attend and IETF, we need to give them reasonable certainty that they will (or will not) be able to make the trip. I'd be happy to help here. Gene Gaines Sterling, Virginia USA On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > If you need a letter of invitation (LOI) in order to obtain a visa to come > to IETF 74 in San Francisco -- and if you have attended at least one IETF > meeting in the past -- you can now request a LOI via this webform: > https://www.amsl.com/ietf/ietf74-loi.html. The LOI will be sent to you via > email unless you specifically request a hard copy. You can also access the > webform from the Meetings page of the IETF website. > > As soon as we officially open registration for the meeting, anyone who > registers for IETF 74 (regardless of whether or not they've attended a past > meeting) will be able to request and receive a letter of invitation to > attend. > > Regards, > Alexa > > ----------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 > Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > ------=_Part_112938_16818159.1228855350704 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Alexa,

It is good you set this up.

I would like to see more done to eliminate the problems of visas, all the uncertainty and apprehension created in many countries over the difficulties with obtaining visas. The war stories that have been circulated need to be put to rest. I have helped a number of people obtain visas to IETF meetings, and in many cases the person stated his request to the consulate incorrectly, or the consulate person took the wrong action.

This issue is so important that ISOC should lend a hand here. There needs to be a formal instruction and support system set up to that persons planning to attend any IETF meeting have in hand basic step-by-step instructions, the government issuing visas is contacted and their application process is documented, then each person should know that ISOC-IETF will be monitoring the process and will step in if assistance is needed.

I do not see this as time-consuming or expensive.

I am confident we can get a few U.S. senators and the State Department to support what we are doing, and add a bit of quiet muscle if needed.

Also important is certainty. If a engineer wants to attend an IETF, but is not comfortable with the process, or is concerned that his visa may not be issued in time, and after his company has agreed to spend the money, he is likely not to attempt to go. If they want to attend and IETF, we need to give them reasonable certainty that they will (or will not) be able to make the trip.

I'd be happy to help here.

Gene Gaines

Sterling, Virginia USA

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Alexa Morris <amorris@amsl.com> wrote:

If you need a letter of invitation (LOI) in order to obtain a visa to come to IETF 74 in San Francisco -- and if you have attended at least one IETF meeting in the past -- you can now request a LOI via this webform: https://www.amsl.com/ietf/ietf74-loi.html. The LOI will be sent to you via email unless you specifically request a hard copy. You can also access the webform from the Meetings page of the IETF website.

As soon as we officially open registration for the meeting, anyone who registers for IETF 74 (regardless of whether or not they've attended a past meeting) will be able to request and receive a letter of invitation to attend.

Regards,
Alexa

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From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 10 17:23:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5598A3A6983; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:23:54 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2434D3A6934 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:23:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wS9DcEVnP-Z5 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from gs19.inmotionhosting.com (gs19.inmotionhosting.com [205.134.252.251]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186283A67D0 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [75.68.119.237] (port=61260 helo=[192.168.15.107]) by gs19.inmotionhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1LAaHB-0002jA-0T; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:23:37 -0800 Message-Id: <84730CE3-0AA1-4E87-A3F5-B8CFE0A1DBA6@standardstrack.com> From: Eric Burger To: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <72cfb3d70812091242q169ee374tf819b977e2a00a25@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-171--604164097; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Letters of Invitation to IETF 74 now available to past attendees Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:23:42 -0500 References: <02EA0BBD-84D2-4F70-B268-86A6DAE4A6EB@amsl.com> <72cfb3d70812091242q169ee374tf819b977e2a00a25@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gs19.inmotionhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - standardstrack.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org --Apple-Mail-171--604164097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would offer that if someone actually attended, as opposed to just registered, then yes, they automatically get a LOI. However, I would like to relate an incident when LEMONADE ran an interim in Beijing (note: NOT the U.S. for those geographically challenged). We received a request for a visa request from two "journalists" from Nigeria (why do so many Internet-related frauds seem to involve Nigeria) who wanted to "cover" the interim. We worked with the hosts and tried to verify the veracity of their claim. Not surprisingly, we never got responses from the "journalists." We never issued a LOI. It would be very disappointing for the IETF to irritate a government, any government, by being a conduit for bogus visa applications. We need to keep our credibility by doing at least a minimal check that the applicant is a real IETF participant and not just someone fishing for a visa. Yes, for the case of the U.S., the State Department is supposed to do a background investigation in-country. However, the various regions DO talk to each other. If they see a spike in bogus visa applicants with IETF papers, things will become very hard for legitimate IETF participants when they try to get a visa. To reiterate: this is neither an anti-U.S. government issue nor an anti-non-U.S. participant issue. THE INCIDENTS I AM PERSONALLY INVOLVED WITH WERE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA, NOT THE U.S. When I mention "a government" in the above paragraph, insert *ANY* government, not just the U.S. This is a global, not U.S.-only, issue. On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Gene Gaines wrote: > Alexa, > > It is good you set this up. > > I would like to see more done to eliminate the problems of visas, > all the uncertainty and apprehension created in many countries over > the difficulties with obtaining visas. The war stories that have > been circulated need to be put to rest. I have helped a number of > people obtain visas to IETF meetings, and in many cases the person > stated his request to the consulate incorrectly, or the consulate > person took the wrong action. > > This issue is so important that ISOC should lend a hand here. There > needs to be a formal instruction and support system set up to that > persons planning to attend any IETF meeting have in hand basic step- > by-step instructions, the government issuing visas is contacted and > their application process is documented, then each person should > know that ISOC-IETF will be monitoring the process and will step in > if assistance is needed. > > I do not see this as time-consuming or expensive. > > I am confident we can get a few U.S. senators and the State > Department to support what we are doing, and add a bit of quiet > muscle if needed. > > Also important is certainty. If a engineer wants to attend an IETF, > but is not comfortable with the process, or is concerned that his > visa may not be issued in time, and after his company has agreed to > spend the money, he is likely not to attempt to go. If they want to > attend and IETF, we need to give them reasonable certainty that they > will (or will not) be able to make the trip. > > I'd be happy to help here. > > Gene Gaines > Sterling, Virginia USA > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Alexa Morris wrote: > If you need a letter of invitation (LOI) in order to obtain a visa > to come to IETF 74 in San Francisco -- and if you have attended at > least one IETF meeting in the past -- you can now request a LOI via > this webform: https://www.amsl.com/ietf/ietf74-loi.html. The LOI > will be sent to you via email unless you specifically request a hard > copy. You can also access the webform from the Meetings page of the > IETF website. > > As soon as we officially open registration for the meeting, anyone > who registers for IETF 74 (regardless of whether or not they've > attended a past meeting) will be able to request and receive a > letter of invitation to attend. > > Regards, > Alexa > > ----------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 > Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > --Apple-Mail-171--604164097 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGPTCCBjkw ggUhoAMCAQICEC+VK1RLWxrF8KJZDR9k8p8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwga4xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MQswCQYDVQQIEwJVVDEXMBUGA1UEBxMOU2FsdCBMYWtlIENpdHkxHjAcBgNVBAoTFVRoZSBVU0VS VFJVU1QgTmV0d29yazEhMB8GA1UECxMYaHR0cDovL3d3dy51c2VydHJ1c3QuY29tMTYwNAYDVQQD Ey1VVE4tVVNFUkZpcnN0LUNsaWVudCBBdXRoZW50aWNhdGlvbiBhbmQgRW1haWwwHhcNMDgwODEz MDAwMDAwWhcNMDkwODEzMjM1OTU5WjCB4TE1MDMGA1UECxMsQ29tb2RvIFRydXN0IE5ldHdvcmsg LSBQRVJTT05BIE5PVCBWQUxJREFURUQxRjBEBgNVBAsTPVRlcm1zIGFuZCBDb25kaXRpb25zIG9m IHVzZTogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jb21vZG8ubmV0L3JlcG9zaXRvcnkxHzAdBgNVBAsTFihjKTIwMDMg Q29tb2RvIExpbWl0ZWQxFDASBgNVBAMTC0VyaWMgQnVyZ2VyMSkwJwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhplYnVy Z2VyQHN0YW5kYXJkc3RyYWNrLmNvbTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMTF RRoA4LgOACMFph0aomRC/UpqoA5C/d6DUTOvTMrYSEqkjwnU4zxDtBcHlcB4AxKAov00MYsUvEU4 loz7BHjfDjv76AIkcwu33VYQbzGmarVnyaXsVb6f/cyRL3fPT0VOVO2tQAEEgwg//CX0jN8Kn2jH uXD/HEvko7cmpL3Pwevf3+DwB61v7ca79PpEZfn/WhaqRKA4uVNPj/JbieeaLo2v/0RJzrEElZK0 pHCqxiD3mQ8ossPkA9fUCSxLlbdMcPU3be5x8vt8Q8mYTXF5Z3d9RZmYrmNkvTQtdzVpfYWr/hgV Xqm9tByOOAR+hoN3FKbubR/OrAHL9yDAd4sCAwEAAaOCAhwwggIYMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaAFImCZ33E nSZwAEu0UEh83j2uBG59MB0GA1UdDgQWBBRDWgutb7b8R/L7G3Y3D+molAA3VzAOBgNVHQ8BAf8E BAMCBaAwDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADAgBgNVHSUEGTAXBggrBgEFBQcDBAYLKwYBBAGyMQEDBQIwEQYJ YIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgUgMEYGA1UdIAQ/MD0wOwYMKwYBBAGyMQECAQEBMCswKQYIKwYBBQUHAgEW HWh0dHBzOi8vc2VjdXJlLmNvbW9kby5uZXQvQ1BTMIGlBgNVHR8EgZ0wgZowTKBKoEiGRmh0dHA6 Ly9jcmwuY29tb2RvY2EuY29tL1VUTi1VU0VSRmlyc3QtQ2xpZW50QXV0aGVudGljYXRpb25hbmRF bWFpbC5jcmwwSqBIoEaGRGh0dHA6Ly9jcmwuY29tb2RvLm5ldC9VVE4tVVNFUkZpcnN0LUNsaWVu dEF1dGhlbnRpY2F0aW9uYW5kRW1haWwuY3JsMGwGCCsGAQUFBwEBBGAwXjA2BggrBgEFBQcwAoYq aHR0cDovL2NydC5jb21vZG9jYS5jb20vVVROQUFBQ2xpZW50Q0EuY3J0MCQGCCsGAQUFBzABhhho dHRwOi8vb2NzcC5jb21vZG9jYS5jb20wJQYDVR0RBB4wHIEaZWJ1cmdlckBzdGFuZGFyZHN0cmFj ay5jb20wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADggEBAGeBR7NPCvrY3GQoIi49JOuciatY2r4st905Jw1etp6J umFFWlaCBl11tFSclk/3S45B+lUv3SEvG4CEjUByPScprVmCqHR+y8BAQaB/CV+N1y14x3MbhJ+Z 8XDGKeUXuuyGd9w0l3/t/QPid6TRXQjQFrLPFs1IALuNpNiFMHEF/xFbMG1Z2vznR/gSPlePekoZ TqcExIDBNZTBebpZqwAXzPpedNNOclbMLFLWDMOAozVRpkfjI0eiFsk8SF1Ho1Gb9Bx8DeG4peE2 KRVOR9FFnZZgBpFjXYRcglsMOSKCY8HgE+NGvbbqbrMoBV/BlYyxRXwfti71RL9Zs2Cq1eQxggP8 MIID+AIBATCBwzCBrjELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxCzAJBgNVBAgTAlVUMRcwFQYDVQQHEw5TYWx0IExh a2UgQ2l0eTEeMBwGA1UEChMVVGhlIFVTRVJUUlVTVCBOZXR3b3JrMSEwHwYDVQQLExhodHRwOi8v d3d3LnVzZXJ0cnVzdC5jb20xNjA0BgNVBAMTLVVUTi1VU0VSRmlyc3QtQ2xpZW50IEF1dGhlbnRp Y2F0aW9uIGFuZCBFbWFpbAIQL5UrVEtbGsXwolkNH2TynzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIICDTAYBgkqhkiG 9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wODEyMTEwMTIzNDNaMCMGCSqGSIb3 DQEJBDEWBBT+LA+EqCmelVwP2bX6ALeI8MkHUzCB1AYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMYHGMIHDMIGuMQswCQYD VQQGEwJVUzELMAkGA1UECBMCVVQxFzAVBgNVBAcTDlNhbHQgTGFrZSBDaXR5MR4wHAYDVQQKExVU aGUgVVNFUlRSVVNUIE5ldHdvcmsxITAfBgNVBAsTGGh0dHA6Ly93d3cudXNlcnRydXN0LmNvbTE2 MDQGA1UEAxMtVVROLVVTRVJGaXJzdC1DbGllbnQgQXV0aGVudGljYXRpb24gYW5kIEVtYWlsAhAv lStUS1saxfCiWQ0fZPKfMIHWBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzGBxqCBwzCBrjELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxCzAJ BgNVBAgTAlVUMRcwFQYDVQQHEw5TYWx0IExha2UgQ2l0eTEeMBwGA1UEChMVVGhlIFVTRVJUUlVT VCBOZXR3b3JrMSEwHwYDVQQLExhodHRwOi8vd3d3LnVzZXJ0cnVzdC5jb20xNjA0BgNVBAMTLVVU Ti1VU0VSRmlyc3QtQ2xpZW50IEF1dGhlbnRpY2F0aW9uIGFuZCBFbWFpbAIQL5UrVEtbGsXwolkN H2TynzANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQC1PNwXJSaUIrp8iY5R77rWjE4w+iV8JNUDQMLFmqavtrqj ttIQC4VxU94J50Kn2PKWcJRNnDZJ0Ok5a/urvufrn7tpiCurfj9cJD3LNqmp1dn+YHxZgjoWeDqN 8P4x3mgaZyyMQCuB1RZ9gMJ5k9G3gWi1UXprCCv6JYc7bGqvSIk9J+H7ZO9fnAmd5hiTqJGbMGAI Hl8pB0vpIxqBL49l+C0/X1gUcSXWdZe+2iQXYShrVYkk6ypVlkwAGQFFxRrcxSnck/OoVGaIaUfM K/rcDTbJz8fLGH5jCT2L/mOJKH3bSulSR/Xte6cD3Wic5r9UoR59EVdIdb50tBmRnfR0AAAAAAAA --Apple-Mail-171--604164097-- From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 10 18:36:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7D03A6A17; 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Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:36:35 -0500 Message-Id: <7AF31ADE-FBE3-437E-AF10-ABE42882B714@multicasttech.com> From: Marshall Eubanks To: Eric Burger In-Reply-To: <84730CE3-0AA1-4E87-A3F5-B8CFE0A1DBA6@standardstrack.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Letters of Invitation to IETF 74 now available to past attendees Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:36:34 -0500 References: <02EA0BBD-84D2-4F70-B268-86A6DAE4A6EB@amsl.com> <72cfb3d70812091242q169ee374tf819b977e2a00a25@mail.gmail.com> <84730CE3-0AA1-4E87-A3F5-B8CFE0A1DBA6@standardstrack.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Dear Eric; On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Eric Burger wrote: > I would offer that if someone actually attended, as opposed to just > registered, then yes, they automatically get a LOI. However, I > would like to relate an incident when LEMONADE ran an interim in > Beijing (note: NOT the U.S. for those geographically challenged). We > received a request for a visa request from two "journalists" from > Nigeria (why do so many Internet-related frauds seem to involve > Nigeria) who wanted to "cover" the interim. We worked with the hosts > and tried to verify the veracity of their claim. Not surprisingly, > we never got responses from the "journalists." We never issued a LOI. > The IETF has encountered this issue starting with IETF 71, when I noticed an usually large number of Nigerian no-shows in the registration paperwork send to the Trust. Starting with IETF 72 there have been procedures in place to help prevent bogus LOI from being sent. Regards Marshall > It would be very disappointing for the IETF to irritate a > government, any government, by being a conduit for bogus visa > applications. We need to keep our credibility by doing at least a > minimal check that the applicant is a real IETF participant and not > just someone fishing for a visa. Yes, for the case of the U.S., the > State Department is supposed to do a background investigation in- > country. However, the various regions DO talk to each other. If > they see a spike in bogus visa applicants with IETF papers, things > will become very hard for legitimate IETF participants when they try > to get a visa. > > To reiterate: this is neither an anti-U.S. government issue nor an > anti-non-U.S. participant issue. THE INCIDENTS I AM PERSONALLY > INVOLVED WITH WERE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET INTO THE PEOPLE'S > REPUBLIC OF CHINA, NOT THE U.S. When I mention "a government" in the > above paragraph, insert *ANY* government, not just the U.S. This is > a global, not U.S.-only, issue. > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Gene Gaines wrote: > >> Alexa, >> >> It is good you set this up. >> >> I would like to see more done to eliminate the problems of visas, >> all the uncertainty and apprehension created in many countries over >> the difficulties with obtaining visas. The war stories that have >> been circulated need to be put to rest. I have helped a number of >> people obtain visas to IETF meetings, and in many cases the person >> stated his request to the consulate incorrectly, or the consulate >> person took the wrong action. >> >> This issue is so important that ISOC should lend a hand here. >> There needs to be a formal instruction and support system set up to >> that persons planning to attend any IETF meeting have in hand basic >> step-by-step instructions, the government issuing visas is >> contacted and their application process is documented, then each >> person should know that ISOC-IETF will be monitoring the process >> and will step in if assistance is needed. >> >> I do not see this as time-consuming or expensive. >> >> I am confident we can get a few U.S. senators and the State >> Department to support what we are doing, and add a bit of quiet >> muscle if needed. >> >> Also important is certainty. If a engineer wants to attend an >> IETF, but is not comfortable with the process, or is concerned that >> his visa may not be issued in time, and after his company has >> agreed to spend the money, he is likely not to attempt to go. If >> they want to attend and IETF, we need to give them reasonable >> certainty that they will (or will not) be able to make the trip. >> >> I'd be happy to help here. >> >> Gene Gaines >> Sterling, Virginia USA >> >> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Alexa Morris >> wrote: >> If you need a letter of invitation (LOI) in order to obtain a visa >> to come to IETF 74 in San Francisco -- and if you have attended at >> least one IETF meeting in the past -- you can now request a LOI via >> this webform: https://www.amsl.com/ietf/ietf74-loi.html. The LOI >> will be sent to you via email unless you specifically request a >> hard copy. You can also access the webform from the Meetings page >> of the IETF website. >> >> As soon as we officially open registration for the meeting, anyone >> who registers for IETF 74 (regardless of whether or not they've >> attended a past meeting) will be able to request and receive a >> letter of invitation to attend. >> >> Regards, >> Alexa >> >> ----------- >> Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF >> 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 >> Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 >> Email: amorris@amsl.com >> >> Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) >> Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning >> www.amsl.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ietf mailing list >> Ietf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf >> > From jbaileydd@agrinutrition.com Thu Dec 11 02:26:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07BA3A6A25 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:26:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -20.761 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-20.761 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLBVu+3Bvj7s for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nrbg-4dbfec3b.pool.einsundeins.de (nrbg-4dbfec3b.pool.einsundeins.de [77.191.236.59]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B25C53A6918 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:26:31 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: Order status From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081211102631.B25C53A6918@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:26:31 -0800 (PST)

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From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 17 10:52:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DC33A68B6; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBE93A68B6 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.662 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.662 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.663, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W0HQl0q+GY1q for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7FD3A67A8 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:52:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=Ujx70EV+738lqkR72x2hI3JWxIFnyhsn88y4ZzsXwlap4DH4LgKC3Ej7FaKJySUg; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.105.136.82] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1LD1VN-0008Iv-2U for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <005401c96078$d9f93620$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Working Group Chairs" Subject: lots of "bounce actions" Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:54:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d88858bc2ddbf51b90e486ca6ab6a1b90e050c93d38f06f9c522350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.105.136.82 X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Hi - Yesterday afternoon, in the space of two minutes, I received 24 "Bounce action notification" messages informing me that subscribers to an ietf.org mailing list I manage had been dropped. This seems odd. Before I dive in and try to contact all these people and mailing lists individually, is there something I should know about? I know there have been a lot of layoffs, but this seems excessive. Randy From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 17 12:14:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D49B28C1F7; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:14:52 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: wgchairs@ietf.org Delivered-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id C972328C1E4; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:14:49 -0800 (PST) From: IETF Secretariat To: IETF Announcement list Subject: 74th IETF - Registration Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081217201449.C972328C1E4@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:14:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: irsg@isi.edu, wgchairs@ietf.org, bofchairs@ietf.org X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org 74th IETF Meeting San Francisco, CA, USA March 22-27, 2009 Host: Juniper Networks Registration is now open for the 74th IETF Meeting! You can register on line at: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/74/ REGISTRATION INFORMATION: Early-Bird Registration - USD 635.00 If you register and pay for your attendance to the IETF-74 before Friday, 13 March 2009 at 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC/GMT), you will pay the early-bird price of USD 635.00. After Early-Bird cutoff - USD 785.00 You can still register and pay online at USD 785.00 until Friday, 20 March 2009 at 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC/GMT). Full-time Student Registrations - USD 150.00 Full-time students with proper ID are eligible to receive a special USD 150.00 student rate. Student rate is not subject to any late-fees. Students will also be able to register on-site at the special student rate. Failure to provide valid student ID on-site will revoke the special student status. Experimental New Feature: Optional Attendee Profile URL When you register for the meeting, you will have the option to provide a personal profile URL as part of your registration information. 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The IETF Secretariat From menet@alc.co.jp Wed Dec 17 13:10:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06723A6831 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:10:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -11.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_BR=0.955, HOST_EQ_BR=1.295, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R9vP+XrKVM+h for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 201-74-33-47-sa.cpe.vivax.com.br (201-74-33-47-sa.cpe.vivax.com.br [201.74.33.47]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 78D023A67F4 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:10:36 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: We have found your lost message From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081217211038.78D023A67F4@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:10:36 -0800 (PST)

From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 17 13:16:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EAA3A6925; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:16:25 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACACD3A691E for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:16:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.667, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NYcH8lYJHt01 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC763A6831 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id mBHLGBWv014983; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cathode-dark-space.mit.edu (CATHODE-DARK-SPACE.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.96]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as tlyu@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id mBHLG4sk019016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tlyu@localhost) by cathode-dark-space.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id mBHLG4Ps027590; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:04 -0500 (EST) To: "Randy Presuhn" Subject: Re: lots of "bounce actions" References: <005401c96078$d9f93620$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> From: Tom Yu Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <005401c96078$d9f93620$6801a8c0@oemcomputer> (Randy Presuhn's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:54:07 -0800") Message-ID: Lines: 17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: Working Group Chairs X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org "Randy Presuhn" writes: > Hi - > > Yesterday afternoon, in the space of two minutes, I received > 24 "Bounce action notification" messages informing me that > subscribers to an ietf.org mailing list I manage had been dropped. > This seems odd. Before I dive in and try to contact all these > people and mailing lists individually, is there something > I should know about? I know there have been a lot of layoffs, > but this seems excessive. Possibly a recent peak in joe-job spam, given the bounces that have been showing up in my mailboxes recently. > > Randy From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 17 16:34:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: wgchairs-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-wgchairs-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0D73A6B58; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:55 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E05D3A6B4F; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.122 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.122 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.372, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rt0ZR0QexnUR; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::14]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D6963A6778; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D36731A723; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.amsl.com ([64.170.98.20]) by localhost (core2.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUMBzLcRMeUE; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from AMSD531C (unknown [192.168.1.236]) by core2.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7874231A721; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Wanda Lo" To: , Subject: Request For IETF 73 WG and BOF Sessions Agenda, Minutes, and Presentations Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:34:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c960a8$6a36fa90$ec01a8c0@AMSD531C> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C96065.5C13BA90" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Importance: High Thread-Index: AclgqGnsxAYE7PcyS6iUBzsIJQcaUg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C96065.5C13BA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WG Chairs and BOF Chairs, We are in the process of compiling the Proceedings for IETF 73 and we are still missing agenda, meeting minutes and presentations from various sessions. The cutoff for submissions is this Friday, December 19, 2008 at 5PM PT. Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi. Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for manual posting. According to what we have received, the following WGs or BOFs are still missing minutes: Applications: EAI SIEVE VCARDDAV Internet: 16NG 6LOWPAN 6MAN ANCP INTAREA MIP4 MIPSHOP NETLMM NTP SAVI SOFTWIRE Operations and Management: CAPWAP DNSOP GROW NETMOD OPSAWG V6OPS Real-time Application and Infrastructure: AVT BLISS MMUSIC P2PSIP RAIAREA SIP Routing: IDR ISIS MPLS PCE SIDR Security: SASL Transport: LEDBAT NFSV4 IRTF: DTNRG MOBOPTS RRG As a reminder, proceedings submission corrections cutoff date is Wednesday, September 17, 2008 at 5:00 PM PDT. Please contact me at wlo@amsl.com if you have any questions or concerns. Regards, Wanda =========================== Wanda Lo, Meeting Coordinator Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) 48377 Fremont Blvd., Ste. 117 Fremont, California 94538 / USA +1-510-492-4082 +1-510-492-4001 (fax) www.ietf.org -- Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C96065.5C13BA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

WG Chairs and BOF = Chairs,

We are in the process of compiling the Proceedings = for IETF 73 and we are still missing agenda, meeting minutes and presentations = from various sessions. The cutoff for submissions is this Friday, December 19, 2008 at 5PM PT. Please = upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your sessions, at = your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found = here:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_proceedings.cgi. Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for manual posting.

According to what we have = received, the following WGs or BOFs are still missing = minutes:

Applications:

EAI=

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