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Send this to the secretariat so that they can look into it. Cheers Magnus DRAGE, Keith (Keith) skrev: > Is there any information about the time delays we can expect in the > processing of internet drafts using the new submission tool. > > We have a new -00 draft submitted > > draft-ietf-sip-media-security-requirements > > For which I received the authorisation request from the tool at 15:35 UK > time (10:35 Eastern US). > > For which my co-chair granted the request on the same day: > > "draft-ietf-sip-media-security-requirements has already been approved by > Dean Willis, and recorded by Dean Willis on 2007-09-28" > >>From the web page. > > As of now the document has failed to appear in the archive (and I am > being rightfully kicked by the author). > > Are there still manual parts of this process before it appears in the > archive, and indeed accessible from the id-tracker? Do we have to wait > 24 hours in a couple of places for some scheduled task to update things? > > Regards > > Keith > > -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 03 06:11:08 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id1BG-0002tZ-Eo; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:10:14 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id1BF-0002qy-HL for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:10:13 -0400 Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com ([135.245.0.37]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id1B9-0007JX-Bj for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:10:13 -0400 Received: from ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-1.lucent.com [135.3.39.1]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id l93A9bIU028223 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:09:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DEEXP01.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.65]) by ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 05:09:36 -0500 Received: from DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com ([135.248.187.26]) by DEEXP01.de.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:09:35 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:09:33 +0200 Message-ID: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770E7B@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <4703504C.1060900@ericsson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New submission tool Thread-Index: AcgFlfs+yFoXK0ksTnCvFCk+7hfHHAADvErQ References: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770D32@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> <4703504C.1060900@ericsson.com> From: "DRAGE, Keith $Keith$" To: "Working Group Chairs" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2007 10:09:35.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[7FB30300:01C805A5] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Subject: RE: New submission tool X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Its out now, it finally processed its way through the system to issue = the announcement at 15:10 Eastern time on the 2nd. Interestingly, it generates a mail from: idsubmission@ietf.org=20 To the WG list, to which it was not at that time subscribed. This would = imply that it was not subscribed automatically to any of the other WG = lists either. If this is true, perhaps it should be corrected. I would still like to know if there are any manual or scheduling parts = in the submission process, particularly for -00 drafts (apart from the = WG chair approval) so that we know how long we should wait before = assuming something is wrong. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Magnus Westerlund [mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:18 AM > To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > Cc: Working Group Chairs > Subject: Re: New submission tool >=20 > Keith, >=20 > This sounds like an error. 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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C805B3.047ACBC6-- From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 03 11:06:28 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id5me-0005j6-AM; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:05:08 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id5md-0005d4-23 for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:05:07 -0400 Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([207.75.164.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id5mW-0008R8-Sk for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:05:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D9647DD8; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19032-03; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1673647C12; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4703AF89.2030302@internet2.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:04:41 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" References: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770D32@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> <4703504C.1060900@ericsson.com> <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770E7B@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770E7B@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 79899194edc4f33a41f49410777972f8 Cc: Working Group Chairs Subject: Re: New submission tool X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org On 10/3/2007 6:09 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: > Its out now, it finally processed its way through the system to issue the announcement at 15:10 Eastern time on the 2nd. > > Interestingly, it generates a mail from: > > idsubmission@ietf.org > > To the WG list, to which it was not at that time subscribed. This would imply that it was not subscribed automatically to any of the other WG lists either. If this is true, perhaps it should be corrected. > Well, you don't really want to have idsubmission subscribed. What you want is to add idsubmission@ietf.org to privacy options->sender filters->"List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted. ". I believe I had to do this manually for other @ietf.org addresses such as "internet-drafts@ietf.org", but perhaps the secretariat can do it for all lists managed at ietf.org. --Matt From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 03 11:12:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id5sp-0004hU-Ed; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:11:31 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id5sn-0004gE-Vs for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:11:30 -0400 Received: from ns6.neustar.com ([156.154.16.88] helo=va.neustar.com) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id5sn-0004sV-GW for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:11:29 -0400 Received: from ([10.31.13.31]) by stihiron1.va.neustar.com with ESMTP id 5202702.1833079; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:11:18 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:11:18 -0400 Message-ID: <7E4AE77F3AB06645A401B77E8068DFE40DEF3A@STNTEXCH12.cis.neustar.com> In-Reply-To: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770E7B@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New submission tool Thread-Index: AcgFlfs+yFoXK0ksTnCvFCk+7hfHHAADvErQAApIcRA= From: "Fuller, Barbara" To: "DRAGE, Keith $Keith$" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 287c806b254c6353fcb09ee0e53bbc5e Cc: Working Group Chairs Subject: RE: New submission tool X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Hi Keith: The problem that you experienced in posting a version -00 I-D with the IDST resulted from the document being in the wrong state when the WG Chair approved it. It could have happened accidentally if, for example, you clicked a wrong button while checking the status of your draft, or for some other reason. In any case, we have fixed the tool to prevent a submission from accidentally being placed in a wrong state during the WG Chair approval process. Therefore, this problem should not happen again. Barbara=20 -----Original Message----- From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) [mailto:drage@alcatel-lucent.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:10 AM To: Working Group Chairs Subject: RE: New submission tool Its out now, it finally processed its way through the system to issue the announcement at 15:10 Eastern time on the 2nd. Interestingly, it generates a mail from: idsubmission@ietf.org=20 To the WG list, to which it was not at that time subscribed. This would imply that it was not subscribed automatically to any of the other WG lists either. If this is true, perhaps it should be corrected. I would still like to know if there are any manual or scheduling parts in the submission process, particularly for -00 drafts (apart from the WG chair approval) so that we know how long we should wait before assuming something is wrong. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: Magnus Westerlund [mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:18 AM > To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > Cc: Working Group Chairs > Subject: Re: New submission tool >=20 > Keith, >=20 > This sounds like an error. Send this to the secretariat so=20 > that they can look into it. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Magnus >=20 > DRAGE, Keith (Keith) skrev: > > Is there any information about the time delays we can expect in the=20 > > processing of internet drafts using the new submission tool. > >=20 > > We have a new -00 draft submitted > >=20 > > draft-ietf-sip-media-security-requirements > >=20 > > For which I received the authorisation request from the=20 > tool at 15:35=20 > > UK time (10:35 Eastern US). > >=20 > > For which my co-chair granted the request on the same day: > >=20 > > "draft-ietf-sip-media-security-requirements has already=20 > been approved=20 > > by Dean Willis, and recorded by Dean Willis on 2007-09-28" > >=20 > >>From the web page. > >=20 > > As of now the document has failed to appear in the archive=20 > (and I am=20 > > being rightfully kicked by the author). > >=20 > > Are there still manual parts of this process before it=20 > appears in the=20 > > archive, and indeed accessible from the id-tracker? Do we=20 > have to wait > > 24 hours in a couple of places for some scheduled task to=20 > update things? > >=20 > > Regards > >=20 > > Keith > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Magnus Westerlund >=20 > IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 > Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 > S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 03 11:56:18 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id6ZZ-0007zm-US; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:55:41 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id6ZY-0007sk-HC for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:55:40 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Id6ZX-0001r2-9f for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:55:40 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,225,1188802800"; d="scan'208";a="403696501" Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Oct 2007 08:55:39 -0700 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l93FtcYA009537; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:55:38 -0700 Received: from dwingwxp01 ([10.32.240.195]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l93FtbPC014904; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:55:38 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'DRAGE, Keith $Keith$'" , "'Working Group Chairs'" References: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770D32@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com><4703504C.1060900@ericsson.com> <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770E7B@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:55:39 -0700 Message-ID: <024001c805d5$d8a95c90$c3f0200a@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcgFlfs+yFoXK0ksTnCvFCk+7hfHHAADvErQAAwXKbA= In-Reply-To: <5D1A7985295922448D5550C94DE2918001770E7B@DEEXC1U01.de.lucent.com> DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=577; t=1191426938; x=1192290938; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=dwing@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Dan=20Wing=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20New=20submission=20tool |Sender:=20; bh=iRC93hIho0UAGlzlJO04tEZqSORX1urq0n2PR3B3mng=; b=ir+t6i7/Jqg5uHVL1R/+sEc9K7yvgbQlAWV61yDg3+f6c102KXk6mGOo8tzLY4tHaDpqU2FZ lkxYFDtqI1nJCtbRiWbzaJacrKCrnkZRLm6lAL9+OtzevHNV4XbgtWGP; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=dwing@cisco.com; dkim=pass (s ig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: Subject: RE: New submission tool X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org > I would still like to know if there are any manual or > scheduling parts in the submission process, particularly for > -00 drafts (apart from the WG chair approval) so that we know > how long we should wait before assuming something is wrong. Tombstones appear to be at least one remaining manual process: it appears tombstones aren't automatically created, I'm guessing because IDST isn't asking for the pre-WG document name. 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This > would > imply that it was not subscribed automatically to any of the other WG > lists either. If this is true, perhaps it should be corrected. The tool's email address, idsubmission@ietf.org will be authorized globally for all IETF WG mailing lists that are hosted in ietf.org by tomorrow, Thursday, so that the message from the tool to wg mailing lists will not be bounced. Our apology on not taking care of this a head of time. > > I would still like to know if there are any manual or scheduling parts > in the submission process, particularly for -00 drafts (apart from the > WG chair approval) so that we know how long we should wait before > assuming something is wrong. There is no manual process for 'Auto Post' ing documents. An announcement will be scheduled to be sent out within the next 15 minutes. The only waiting period should be either for submitter authentication, or WG chair approval (for -00 wg version.) 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------=_NextPart_000_9069_01C8104E.22B65F90-- From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 16 19:54:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhwEe-0006HQ-Lx; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:54:04 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhwEc-00069j-RI; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:54:02 -0400 Received: from nylon.softarmor.com ([66.135.38.164]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhwES-00052u-L9; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:53:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.100] (cpe-76-185-142-113.tx.res.rr.com [76.185.142.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l9GNrexA003883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:53:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dean Willis Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:53:23 -0500 To: Internet-Drafts Administrator X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: Working Group Chairs Subject: Re: Approval to Post Version -00 Internet-Drafts for the 70th IETF Meeting in Vancouver, BC, Canada X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:00 PM, Internet-Drafts Administrator wrote: > > Dear IETF Working Group Chairs: > > In order to expedite the processing of the many version -00 I-Ds that > the Secretariat receives before an IETF meeting, we ask that you > please notify the Secretariat prior to the initial submission cutoff > date of all version -00 I-Ds that you expect to approve for posting as > WG documents. 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And what should be doing with tools to make this not necessary? -- Dean Willis From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 16 20:02:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhwMG-0008QA-M7; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:01:56 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhwME-0008OJ-LJ for wgchairs@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:01:54 -0400 Received: from nylon.softarmor.com ([66.135.38.164]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IhwMD-0005IX-DG for wgchairs@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:01:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.100] (cpe-76-185-142-113.tx.res.rr.com [76.185.142.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l9H01p3Z003961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:01:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <36F99B4E-0454-4AE8-8927-EAC9D3CC39ED@softarmor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Working Group Chairs From: Dean Willis Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:01:34 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Subject: Queries on draft submission tool X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org I've got two issues I was wondering if anybody had worked around. 1) Draft replacement -- I tried to submit a draft today as a wg -00 that replaced an older individual draft. Is there a way to mark this replacement in the submission tool without having to make it a manual submission? 2) Boilerplate scanning: The same draft was missing part of the copyright statement, the part that goes: This document and the information contained herein are provided on an "AS IS" basis and THE CONTRIBUTOR, THE ORGANIZATION HE/SHE REPRESENTS OR IS SPONSORED BY (IF ANY), THE INTERNET SOCIETY, THE IETF TRUST AND THE INTERNET ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Now, I'd dutifully run the thing through Henrik's idnits tool, and the submission tool seems to do the same, but the secretariat had to catch this manually. So other than being a sloppy proofreader (and no, I don't proofread every draft somebody submits), what am I missing? Or more specifically, what have we not gotten automated quite the right way here? Is it just asking too much to be able to check this stuff in text format? Should xml input be mandatory, with xml2rfc being part of the submission tool? It seems like it would be a lot easier to check for the xml2rfc directives that make the copyright notice happen than it is to check for a copyright notice that might have just moved around a bit. -- Dean From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Tue Oct 16 22:32:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ihygx-0007AD-1Q; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:31:27 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ihygv-00078Q-E5 for wgchairs@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:31:25 -0400 Received: from nylon.softarmor.com ([66.135.38.164]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ihygv-0003Oh-2t for wgchairs@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:31:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.100] (cpe-76-185-142-113.tx.res.rr.com [76.185.142.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by nylon.softarmor.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l9H2VL7a004912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:31:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <36F99B4E-0454-4AE8-8927-EAC9D3CC39ED@softarmor.com> References: <36F99B4E-0454-4AE8-8927-EAC9D3CC39ED@softarmor.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <185EEE87-1245-43ED-A6E9-F707B2DFCBA4@softarmor.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dean Willis Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:31:04 -0500 To: Working Group Chairs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Subject: Re: Queries on draft submission tool X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org I hate replying to myself, but it looks like: On Oct 16, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Dean Willis wrote: > 2) Boilerplate scanning: > > The same draft was missing part of the copyright statement, the > part that goes: This was probably because I idnitsed one version, then submitted another. My bad. Yes, I'd call myself something derogatory, but that would probably be an insult to people for whom my derogatory expression could be more correctly applied. Sorry! But the other question remains unanswered. -- Dean From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Wed Oct 17 05:30:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii5E0-0004Lf-Se; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:30:00 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii5Dz-0004LK-Sn for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:29:59 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ii5Dz-0004o7-GA for wgchairs@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:29:59 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id C609E204F1; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:29:58 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-b0e80bb0000007e1-9a-4715d6168fbb Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id A72F0207FE; Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:29:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:29:58 +0200 Received: from [147.214.30.247] ([147.214.30.247]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:29:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4715D616.3070805@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:29:58 +0200 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dean Willis References: <36F99B4E-0454-4AE8-8927-EAC9D3CC39ED@softarmor.com> In-Reply-To: <36F99B4E-0454-4AE8-8927-EAC9D3CC39ED@softarmor.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2007 09:29:57.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[488DE650:01C810A0] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: Working Group Chairs Subject: Re: Queries on draft submission tool X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Dean Willis skrev: > > I've got two issues I was wondering if anybody had worked around. > > 1) Draft replacement -- I tried to submit a draft today as a wg -00 that > replaced an older individual draft. Is there a way to mark this > replacement in the submission tool without having to make it a manual > submission? > No, not in the current version. I think it is on the roadmap for a future version of the ID submission tool. 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Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Dean Willis [mailto:dean.willis@softarmor.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:53 PM To: Internet-Drafts Administrator Cc: Working Group Chairs Subject: Re: Approval to Post Version -00 Internet-Drafts for the 70th IETFMeeting in Vancouver, BC, Canada=20 > On Oct 11, 2007, at 11:00 PM, Internet-Drafts Administrator wrote: > > Dear IETF Working Group Chairs: > > In order to expedite the processing of the many version -00 I-Ds that > the Secretariat receives before an IETF meeting, we ask that you > please notify the Secretariat prior to the initial submission cutoff > date of all version -00 I-Ds that you expect to approve for posting as > WG documents. Please send the filenames of your approved -00 I-Ds to > internet-drafts@ietf.org. Also, please indicate if a new version -00 > I-D replaces any existing I-Ds, and if so, which ones. 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What does this accomplish? How does it make > things > any easier for you? > > BARBARA'S RESPONSE: If a version -00 WG draft is pre-approved by > the WG > chair, then when that draft is submitted it can be posted immediately > (if the submission is via the tool), or in a timely manner (if the > submission is via e-mail). If the draft is *not* pre-approved, then > additional steps are required to obtain WG chair approval. These > additional steps can delay the posting of the draft...sometimes by > several days. > > DEAN'S QUESTION: And what should [we] be doing with tools to make this > not necessary? > > BARBARA'S RESPONSE: The REVISED message contained the following > sentence: > > "Please send the filenames of your approved -00 I-Ds to > internet-drafts@ietf.org, or use the "Initial Version WG Draft > Approval > Tool" https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/wg/wg_init_rev_approval.cgi > to pre-approve drafts." > Here's the deal -- despite having chaired this WG for nigh unto 10 years, I still can't tell you what drafts are actually going to happen until they show up. And to be totally honest, I'm never 100% sure what their names are going to be. Sure, I suggest names, but sometimes they get twiddled in the process, so I just don't know until they've actually been submitted and I've scanned the submitted draft. If I had more prescience than that, I'd get rich playing the stock market. If this causes a delay until I get around to approving them, that's OK with me. My only other option is to preapprove every draft that might possibly arrive, and experience tells me there's a 50% chance that any given draft won't show up. There's also a fair chance that some other cowboy will submit a draft with an approved title, even though the draft itself is totally bogus. Yes, people we've never heard of submit drafts, and sometimes they make up names that just happen to collide with the planned WG names. So which is better -- preapproving every draft that might possibly show up (and I have 20 or so of those, some meetings) which might result in bogus drafts being posted, or waiting until one actually arrives, and then approving it, even if this makes for a 48 hour delay between submission and posting? It seems to me that it's better for the chairs to eyeball the actually-submitted draft, then approve it if it is reasonable. And that's why I've always thought draft pre-approval to be a really bad idea. -- Dean From wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Thu Oct 18 08:23:25 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiUOp-0001ve-M2; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:51 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiUOn-0001pj-IP for wgchairs@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:49 -0400 Received: from e5.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.145]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IiUOh-00071Y-DU for wgchairs@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:49 -0400 Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e5.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9ICMVIE009305 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:31 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.5) with ESMTP id l9ICMVtj056294 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:31 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l9ICMK1H001499 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:21 -0400 Received: from poplar (poplar.watson.ibm.com [9.2.40.57]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l9ICMJp5001116; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:19 -0400 Received: from URANUS ([9.2.42.22]) by poplar.watson.ibm.com (IMF.2005.07.16.1050.haw) with SMTP ID IMFd1192710143.1391; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:22:24 -0400 From: Barry Leiba To: Working Group Chairs Message-ID: <68190EF18E005290FB96201D@Uranus.local> In-Reply-To: References: <7E4AE77F3AB06645A401B77E8068DFE40DEF71@STNTEXCH12.cis.neustar.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: "Fuller, Barbara" Subject: Re: Approval to Post Version -00 Internet-Drafts for the 70th IETFMeeting in Vancouver, BC, Canada X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post:

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