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Doctors Discover Method for Controllin= g Diabetes without Medication

by Lucy Umbrose @HealthMatters

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=0D To manage diabetes well means keeping your blood sugar lev= el down in the same range as that of people who don't have diabetes. The wa= y we check this level is the A1C (sometimes called glycated hemoglobin, hem= oglobin A1c, or HbA1c). This test tells you what your average blood sugar l= evel was during the previous two or three months by using a drop of blood a= bout as small as that you use on your regular fingerstick tests that tells = you what your level is right then.=0D

=0D When you manage your diabetes well, it is well controlled. It is nor= mal. We know that the normal A1C level is 6.0 or below. See "The Normal A1C= Level."=0D

=0D You can use drugs to bring your A1C level down to normal. That's a g= ood thing. But this strategy does have its costs, and those costs aren't ju= st money out of your pocket or your checkbook. The worst of those costs = are the potential side effects of the drugs.=0D

=0D The good news is that diabetics can learn how to control diabetes= without medication by making a few lifestyle changes. =0D

=0D A recent report by a team of doctors has shed new light on just how = effective this can be. [Keep Reading]=0D

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=0D =0D From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Sun Nov 13 21:27:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EFA1295DD for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FO6j45tMmkYK for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A86A129626 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c69kx-00051h-Gs for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:24:35 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:24:35 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from titan.w3.org ([128.30.52.76]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c69kp-0004ve-VM; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:24:27 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]) by titan.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c69kj-0002VD-V8; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:24:22 +0000 Received: from [31.133.143.223] ([31.133.143.223]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LbdiB-1cUnBF3zWF-00lBte; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:23:54 +0100 To: HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:23:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:MClUQf0a6EaiTvp/4+7t7nYSR+iGxYU3NCLRdOa/+WanJpcMGIB AymD9LgeZmzzyLUzK6Sbd2PUI5mcy7Gi8ol9m/eV2Ru0FoBtfZ+IpZSS5Oqkti3XMzt1S0f eMdNM9rerCbUXKI/aoSvohUTeFsO5DYovec1XnxbLarKirJo5u3EcNljoSTYbn9krL1649x ZOIp4dSzXwoasr83yzpjw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:XQBg1n7qeao=:wrzazRH8e9TpDjt0GKYzih zjPRgyYkl8Vp2NC+y1pufpTHiPcn2FLyRn1V1kZ45YrXdRS1NHxw56Ymot0aAlFSjG4oHE/PW B5R8TRkxQ8/MLZQFhShLBkRn+K7x+LnOcIevZ96NZvS2ZivSR/WrOOuA4p63gSW6pwzJlJuIf 6fdBf7VNHUxeKMUIJWIkHJ8LfVt14Eyw6/AB0qkDS31Tu20A4KJ3n5hal7slM3nCv7I6trZ0m ZBx6VRbZOssdesLxEbVjWQqSpdCTCMpzUGdbSaDJbCxbSBWx4Eq/9qVAZYq5tRgtRHgn93UNI sBWhgbUAGON2qtOKR+o5RllI58Z0NjnnCmpXI89dC7YaKt2QK3GspL0XQm6J3PSPYTRfaec2G tLtgVKNJsyeedgr8zz46nV/WJcdN0OsOlCOh0ZNBbaU8K/fSyCDwq+PWC2LhE9Efc8MlrUm0r E+uQnDVr+7V9+D/O/TGQ6f0NWMYLwBpieaMfQIEX2Vb5e3sj5DCa3/PXCoYvw/MS3tVIn++Dn 33+1qUPF8w7rmjztFiKlLqmWKgViDLibob4pwDBWg9Tv8jlADkkxe1ySdfPs4GwbevNKWfMRr Kh1j8uM8PDXTxvCeBuEJS/g2KQLodzj4vAUPLrAOasyU0iiYgnyfub2sz6GjoljtO6IaMBgLM 8qYDWWcwSnijWq4/+z2G76zm46DneMFhtk6QH4bNe3ayRZmSnxIBq3qQnnDVCYPM6PwUBeX97 gWLmzowsU1DTTqJNDSAYCQtZCC5Ebc1bvBYF8bNndNDZTf8J83Qq+dM50NGuCRPKnR5X18ImE NjuGUai Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=julian.reschke@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.2 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=1.228, BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.797, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1c69kj-0002VD-V8 67e4af8b486cd87b82de9acfbb029a9b X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13440 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 2016-10-17 08:14, Julian Reschke wrote: > ... See below some quick (for some value of "quick"...) feedback: Open Issues o Does this draft also update the RFCs for CalDAV, CardDAV, and those documenting the effected HTTP methods? I believe so. o Should we explitcly mention that this draft applies to any/all *DAV protocols (e.g. CalDAV and CardDAV)? Would a title change be in order? I don't believe that's needed. o Should we use a non-protocol-specific REPORT example such as DAV:sync-collection rather than using CalDAV:calendar-multiget? Yes, optimally one defined in the base specs. Nits: 1. Introduction [RFC7240] also defines the "return=representaion" preference which s/representaion/representation/ Finally, Section 4 of this specifcation defines the "depth-noroot" s/specifcation/specification/ 2.2. Minimal REPORT Response When a REPORT [RFC3253] request, whose report type results in a 207 (Multi-Status) response, contains a Prefer header field with a preference of "return=minimal", the server SHOULD omit all DAV:propstat XML elements containing a DAV:status XML element of value 404 (Not Found) [RFC7231] from the 207 (Multi-Status) response. If the omission of such a DAV:propstat element would result in a DAV:response XML element containing zero DAV:propstat elements, the server MUST substitute one of the following in its place: o a DAV:propstat element consisting of an empty DAV:prop element and a DAV:status element of value 200 (OK) [RFC7231] o a DAV:status element of value 200 (OK) See Appendix B.2 for examples. That's identical as for PROPFIND right? Maybe we could save some spec text here? 3. Reducing WebDAV Round-Trips with "return=representation" The PUT, COPY, MOVE, [RFC4918] PATCH, [RFC5789] and POST [RFC5995] Nit: reference looks a bit weird in between. Also, PUT is defined RFC 723x, which brings us to the question whether this spec needs to update RFC 723x. methods can be used to create or update a resource. In some instances, such as with CalDAV Scheduling [RFC6638], the created or updated resource representation may differ from the representation sent in the body of the request or referenced by the effective request URI. In cases where the client would normally issue a subsequent GET request to retrieve the current representation of the resource, the client SHOULD instead include a Prefer header field I don't think we need a SHOULD here for the client. 4. The "depth-noroot" Processing Preference Still not clear whether this is needed. 5. Implementation Status Nit: -> appendix 7. IANA Considerations I think we need to update the existing IANA registrations as well. Appendix A. The Brief and Extended Depth Request Header Fields ... Client and server implementations that already support the Brief header field can add support for the "return=minimal" preference with nominal effort. If a server supporting the Prefer header field receives both the Brief and Prefer header fields in a request, it MUST ignore the Brief header field and only use the Prefer header field preferences. I don't think we can have a MUST here on something that actually is undefined, as far as IETF specs go. From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Mon Nov 14 05:46:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0501296F6 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:46:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KpQQCOnWqmdk for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85CDB1296F3 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 05:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6HXl-0005M0-NZ for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:43:29 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:43:29 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from titan.w3.org ([128.30.52.76]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6HXl-0005LG-1Y; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:43:29 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.157.38]) by titan.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6HXf-0001FS-6K; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 13:43:23 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAEDgubI081605 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:57 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:42:56 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.11.14.133617 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODY_SIZE_5000_5999 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_NOT_1 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_HAS_AT 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.157.38 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.157.38; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=3.550, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.799, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1c6HXf-0001FS-6K f8ce9012bbf756366d0659af0ece665d X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13441 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Julian, Thanks for the review. Comments/questions inline. On 11/14/2016 12:23 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2016-10-17 08:14, Julian Reschke wrote: >> ... > > See below some quick (for some value of "quick"...) feedback: > > Open Issues > > o Does this draft also update the RFCs for CalDAV, CardDAV, and > those documenting the effected HTTP methods? > > I believe so. So, I've added the following to the list of RFCs updated: 3253: REPORT 4918: PROPFIND, PROPPATCH, MKCOL 4971: CalDAV, MKCALENDAR 5689: Ext MKCOL 5789: PATCH 5995: POST (add-member) 6252: CardDAV As you mention below, do you think I need to add 7231 (PUT) to that list? 7240 doesn't list any RFCs that it updates, particularly 7231. > o Should we explitcly mention that this draft applies to any/all > *DAV protocols (e.g. CalDAV and CardDAV)? Would a title change > be in order? > > I don't believe that's needed. > > o Should we use a non-protocol-specific REPORT example such as > DAV:sync-collection rather than using CalDAV:calendar-multiget? > > Yes, optimally one defined in the base specs. I think the most widely used REPORT that is closest to being part of the base specs would be DAV:sync-collection. Unless you think I should use DAV:version-tree from 3253 or one of the WebDAV ACL REPORTs. > Nits: > > 1. Introduction > > [RFC7240] also defines the "return=representaion" preference which > > s/representaion/representation/ > > Finally, Section 4 of this specifcation defines the "depth-noroot" > > s/specifcation/specification/ Both Fixed. > 2.2. Minimal REPORT Response > > When a REPORT [RFC3253] request, whose report type results in a 207 > (Multi-Status) response, contains a Prefer header field with a > preference of "return=minimal", the server SHOULD omit all > DAV:propstat XML elements containing a DAV:status XML element of > value 404 (Not Found) [RFC7231] from the 207 (Multi-Status) response. > If the omission of such a DAV:propstat element would result in a > DAV:response XML element containing zero DAV:propstat elements, the > server MUST substitute one of the following in its place: > > o a DAV:propstat element consisting of an empty DAV:prop element and > a DAV:status element of value 200 (OK) [RFC7231] > > o a DAV:status element of value 200 (OK) > > See Appendix B.2 for examples. > > That's identical as for PROPFIND right? Maybe we could save some spec > text here? So, perhaps one combined section entitled "Minimal PROPFIND and REPORT Responses" with an opening sentence "When a PROPFIND request, or a REPORT request whose report type results in a 207 (Multi-Status) response, contains a Prefer ...". Is that what you had in mind? > 3. Reducing WebDAV Round-Trips with "return=representation" > > The PUT, COPY, MOVE, [RFC4918] PATCH, [RFC5789] and POST [RFC5995] > > Nit: reference looks a bit weird in between. Also, PUT is defined RFC > 723x, which brings us to the question whether this spec needs to > update RFC 723x. Just remove the references altogether, or place them elsewhere? > methods can be used to create or update a resource. In some > instances, such as with CalDAV Scheduling [RFC6638], the created or > updated resource representation may differ from the representation > sent in the body of the request or referenced by the effective > request URI. In cases where the client would normally issue a > subsequent GET request to retrieve the current representation of the > resource, the client SHOULD instead include a Prefer header field > > I don't think we need a SHOULD here for the client. What do you suggest instead? MAY? > 4. The "depth-noroot" Processing Preference > > Still not clear whether this is needed. The folks at Apple requested this preference and are keen to see it stay in the spec. This actually mimics what Microsoft has done with their proprietary Depth header field values "1,noroot", and "infinity,noroot". > 5. Implementation Status > > Nit: -> appendix RFC 7942 states that this section (which will be removed by the RFC editor anyways) should appear just before Security Considerations. > 7. IANA Considerations > > I think we need to update the existing IANA registrations as well. In what fashion? > Appendix A. The Brief and Extended Depth Request Header Fields > > ... > > Client and server implementations that already support the Brief > header field can add support for the "return=minimal" preference with > nominal effort. > > If a server supporting the Prefer header field receives both the > Brief and Prefer header fields in a request, it MUST ignore the Brief > header field and only use the Prefer header field preferences. > > I don't think we can have a MUST here on something that actually is > undefined, as far as IETF specs go. Use SHOULD instead of MUST, or simply remove the suggestion entirely? -- Kenneth Murchison Principal Systems Software Engineer Carnegie Mellon University From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Mon Nov 14 06:27:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C59C12945A for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5v4v_43ADRHv for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47518128B37 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6IBS-0001ZP-CI for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:24:30 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:24:30 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from titan.w3.org ([128.30.52.76]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6IBR-0001Y8-PL; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:24:29 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.157.39]) by titan.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6IBM-0004I8-4T; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:24:24 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id uAEENvbL068058 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:23:58 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:23:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.3.29.195115 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_700_799 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_HAS_AT 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.157.39 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.157.39; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=1.075, BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.799, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1c6IBM-0004I8-4T 4f78638dddf3dacc64be461fe308ada7 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13442 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: >> methods can be used to create or update a resource. In some >> instances, such as with CalDAV Scheduling [RFC6638], the created or >> updated resource representation may differ from the representation >> sent in the body of the request or referenced by the effective >> request URI. In cases where the client would normally issue a >> subsequent GET request to retrieve the current representation of the >> resource, the client SHOULD instead include a Prefer header field >> >> I don't think we need a SHOULD here for the client. > > What do you suggest instead? MAY? Or RECOMMENDED? -- Kenneth Murchison Principal Systems Software Engineer Carnegie Mellon University From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Mon Nov 14 06:45:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1848112950B for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:45:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ATkgfvtfJALN for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 034F41294FE for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:44:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6ISt-0007yX-AS for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:42:31 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:42:31 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from titan.w3.org ([128.30.52.76]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6ISs-0007xo-Ke; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:42:30 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]) by titan.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6ISm-0005Eu-6d; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:42:25 +0000 Received: from [31.133.147.187] ([31.133.147.187]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LzblK-1ct5kU3Shm-014kp8; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:41:49 +0100 To: Ken Murchison , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 15:41:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:n+miRgdwTX/m39pYfgE/tGSPS9zwIGT8l4wMM46p/OTrTkFOldi ZgONzD39gyJOsUi8IpQnL0jKeI5gTqHrDloIslvjvUGvZaFanMEM3NWPTxnUaeVgkAZseg1 AcDSnMuw0rYY1NzlQNme5E6fib/aWLsfBqCZ96JxHOOE2fui7/bHRixmQuDb3vN9PRsAGf5 HcDsZsqmV1s4cGOr0rosA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:IQ+vnYMDDx0=:U2w20aE3sIMz36SXhlCTfs IyVfnDqBCoxlD+BBb2puVT5p97DxhfwjLxUaPs5mkD7gifk2HX7FspoYyJ0IqOVT1OwF4w3of dzaDjrd+qelUT9oi0X43AbRJxKaADGRiJP0HnGRcrPxiw6szMPCeqpREtSNFjpkcfI2641urO XKC1JcN4c3y7xvzLRNd6sn6qzhf/QR4kkCwtzz+nc/n5hr44PMpfFSnDS6l7Vrlc1wGR2ecLZ iUr8X6cAMEZ3a3iO8ciJxVPOEglfQYbjEweaUGL4Z0ZVh8CguSSyFdJWJoiUTOV3qJn644g6s U9gTZcmi67vlKa8kfKDwaeD7kEX+prow+7H/+DKEi/m5noFh7ekmqkG18sP0hmgB62yElzHJg s7IY2RlixQyZX/KilwAKVK5poEDPluftNgYqhfPXx9GuhzBepUzTieRGV6wqmIEvS7f9f9E1X Xfb2b9mDkx/85L1jXnmBYxZGvjewMJTBwOKAPd0NfvpaWFuomjnUG1OjahR3ScbwuR1yWgzm/ BrIrGP3IX1wHHyjPRk/0PQiUMuQOXyuAXxRDJmggIz0I3FEIaoG5xIADh1NfTFigixXNXVobc YnAOxAnhOVM6jSXxKmAWT/KGnCrWUpovtpOOIw3kDkSOdaNq0WY3yrrhsmRmJAoDgRsL9ZVkw noAEgtwCjE4++91hwibMabCST74xjIK7CJSsfDbvGqqc8OI+UIg+EYID+ESbvTKAd5jMaSnZG Qg+wlg1rMxLYytzbKgOSWxUqOIIZBo17qQuhPIBvCeUqvvAwwtU+t4ZL5AvyS0NdiqkiqHDG8 ZE2ZvnwKIlS5QZlePEVDvaBQOKx6v/H+Yu7fg2HdbvKU0MsMTE= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=julian.reschke@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.2 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=-0.130, BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1c6ISm-0005Eu-6d e8e02fa1b22f2722ffc25c4bffae46dc X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13443 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 2016-11-14 14:42, Ken Murchison wrote: > ... >> Open Issues >> >> o Does this draft also update the RFCs for CalDAV, CardDAV, and >> those documenting the effected HTTP methods? >> >> I believe so. > > So, I've added the following to the list of RFCs updated: > > 3253: REPORT > 4918: PROPFIND, PROPPATCH, MKCOL > 4971: CalDAV, MKCALENDAR > 5689: Ext MKCOL > 5789: PATCH > 5995: POST (add-member) > 6252: CardDAV > > As you mention below, do you think I need to add 7231 (PUT) to that > list? 7240 doesn't list any RFCs that it updates, particularly 7231. Tricky question. For RFC 7240 I *believe* the reason is that even if a preference is applied, the response is still compliant with the base spec. Whereas this is not the case for most behaviors describes in this spec. Thus, an implementer should be able to locate this spec by looking at the IANA method registry. That registry can either list this spec as modifying the method definition, or this spec would need to state that it "updates" the definition referenced in the IANA registry. Right now I'm not sure which of the two alternatives is best. > ... >> o Should we use a non-protocol-specific REPORT example such as >> DAV:sync-collection rather than using CalDAV:calendar-multiget? >> >> Yes, optimally one defined in the base specs. > > I think the most widely used REPORT that is closest to being part of the > base specs would be DAV:sync-collection. Unless you think I should use > DAV:version-tree from 3253 or one of the WebDAV ACL REPORTs. Actually, I was thinking of , which "SHOULD" be supported by any server implementing REPORT. > ... >> 2.2. Minimal REPORT Response >> >> When a REPORT [RFC3253] request, whose report type results in a 207 >> (Multi-Status) response, contains a Prefer header field with a >> preference of "return=minimal", the server SHOULD omit all >> DAV:propstat XML elements containing a DAV:status XML element of >> value 404 (Not Found) [RFC7231] from the 207 (Multi-Status) response. >> If the omission of such a DAV:propstat element would result in a >> DAV:response XML element containing zero DAV:propstat elements, the >> server MUST substitute one of the following in its place: >> >> o a DAV:propstat element consisting of an empty DAV:prop element and >> a DAV:status element of value 200 (OK) [RFC7231] >> >> o a DAV:status element of value 200 (OK) >> >> See Appendix B.2 for examples. >> >> That's identical as for PROPFIND right? Maybe we could save some spec >> text here? > > So, perhaps one combined section entitled "Minimal PROPFIND and REPORT > Responses" with an opening sentence "When a PROPFIND request, or a > REPORT request whose report type results in a 207 (Multi-Status) > response, contains a Prefer ...". > > Is that what you had in mind? Yep. >> 3. Reducing WebDAV Round-Trips with "return=representation" >> >> The PUT, COPY, MOVE, [RFC4918] PATCH, [RFC5789] and POST [RFC5995] >> >> Nit: reference looks a bit weird in between. Also, PUT is defined RFC >> 723x, which brings us to the question whether this spec needs to >> update RFC 723x. > > Just remove the references altogether, or place them elsewhere? Remove sounds good to me. >> methods can be used to create or update a resource. In some >> instances, such as with CalDAV Scheduling [RFC6638], the created or >> updated resource representation may differ from the representation >> sent in the body of the request or referenced by the effective >> request URI. In cases where the client would normally issue a >> subsequent GET request to retrieve the current representation of the >> resource, the client SHOULD instead include a Prefer header field >> >> I don't think we need a SHOULD here for the client. > > What do you suggest instead? MAY? "can". >> 4. The "depth-noroot" Processing Preference >> >> Still not clear whether this is needed. > > The folks at Apple requested this preference and are keen to see it stay > in the spec. This actually mimics what Microsoft has done with their > proprietary Depth header field values "1,noroot", and "infinity,noroot". I remain unconvinced that the saving justifies the additional complexity :-) >> 5. Implementation Status >> >> Nit: -> appendix > > RFC 7942 states that this section (which will be removed by the RFC > editor anyways) should appear just before Security Considerations. Ack, good to know. >> 7. IANA Considerations >> >> I think we need to update the existing IANA registrations as well. > > In what fashion? I was thinking that the preferences that we extend here should also have updated entries in . Now, this question is related to the method registry (using the "updates" category in the boilerplate vs modifying the registry). Alexey, any guidance? >> Appendix A. The Brief and Extended Depth Request Header Fields >> >> ... >> >> Client and server implementations that already support the Brief >> header field can add support for the "return=minimal" preference with >> nominal effort. >> >> If a server supporting the Prefer header field receives both the >> Brief and Prefer header fields in a request, it MUST ignore the Brief >> header field and only use the Prefer header field preferences. >> >> I don't think we can have a MUST here on something that actually is >> undefined, as far as IETF specs go. > > Use SHOULD instead of MUST, or simply remove the suggestion entirely? If it supports this spec, it *will* ignore the Brief by definition, right. So maybe just state that? "it will ignore..."? Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Mon Nov 14 08:30:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBBB12987D for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3QB7T9ShcZ_9 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5337D12987C for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6K6K-00009m-Aa for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:27:20 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:27:20 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6K6J-00007u-OO; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:27:19 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.157.38]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6K6E-0003Cs-2r; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:27:14 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAEGQm1T091556 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:26:49 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: <6f7251a9-975b-f775-76fa-8b4d166e0ddb@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:26:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.11.14.161518 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_600_699 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_HAS_AT 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.157.38 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.157.38; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=2.849, BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.799, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c6K6E-0003Cs-2r ddf3887f8446b9c2ad1b4e0f13870291 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13444 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 11/14/2016 09:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > If it supports this spec, it *will* ignore the Brief by definition, > right. > > So maybe just state that? "it will ignore..."? Actually, my implementation supports Prefer but also doesn't ignore Brief. It treats Brief:true as if Prefer:return=representation was sent in the request, regardless of whether Prefer was sent or not. I don't know if this is more appropriate than ignoring Brief, but we probably need a definitive statement on how a server should behave if both headers appear in a request. -- Kenneth Murchison Principal Systems Software Engineer Carnegie Mellon University From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Mon Nov 14 09:45:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A8112949F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:45:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gkVJfT-GL6kE for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D74312950C for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6LI6-0005PO-Ep for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:43:34 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:43:34 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from titan.w3.org ([128.30.52.76]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6LI5-0005OF-SR; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:43:33 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.157.38]) by titan.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6LHz-0006St-EX; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:43:28 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAEHh0h0097625 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:43:00 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 12:42:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.11.14.173017 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1600_1699 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, REFERENCES 0, SINGLE_URI_IN_BODY 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_HAS_AT 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SINGLE_URI_TEXT 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NO_MAILTO 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NS , __URI_WITH_PATH 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.157.38 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.157.38; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.6 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=1.417, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.799, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1c6LHz-0006St-EX 9279d3d4557e4996fb8ce48ed89b524d X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13445 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 11/14/2016 09:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2016-11-14 14:42, Ken Murchison wrote: >> ... >>> o Should we use a non-protocol-specific REPORT example such as >>> DAV:sync-collection rather than using CalDAV:calendar-multiget? >>> >>> Yes, optimally one defined in the base specs. >> >> I think the most widely used REPORT that is closest to being part of the >> base specs would be DAV:sync-collection. Unless you think I should use >> DAV:version-tree from 3253 or one of the WebDAV ACL REPORTs. > > Actually, I was thinking of > , > which "SHOULD" be supported by any server implementing REPORT. OK, I will generate an example using expand-property. Do you feel I should remove the CALDAV:calendar-multiget example? I was thinking of adding a non-exhaustive list of current REPORTs that return=minimal would apply to. Thoughts? >>> 3. Reducing WebDAV Round-Trips with "return=representation" >>> >>> The PUT, COPY, MOVE, [RFC4918] PATCH, [RFC5789] and POST [RFC5995] >>> >>> Nit: reference looks a bit weird in between. Also, PUT is defined RFC >>> 723x, which brings us to the question whether this spec needs to >>> update RFC 723x. >> >> Just remove the references altogether, or place them elsewhere? > > Remove sounds good to me. Actually, I just realized the I had commas in a stupid place. I fixed it so it now looks like this: "The PUT, COPY, MOVE [RFC4918], PATCH [RFC5789], and POST [RFC5995] methods ..." Does this look better to you? -- Kenneth Murchison Principal Systems Software Engineer Carnegie Mellon University From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Mon Nov 14 14:11:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598DA12961F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:11:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56YOL3JL6TCr for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5C67129602 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6PRG-0005hW-Ro for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:09:18 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:09:18 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6PRG-0005gr-1r; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:09:18 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6PR8-0005q3-Cr; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:09:12 +0000 Received: from [31.133.147.187] ([31.133.147.187]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MLi1v-1c68Rc18j5-000rHW; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:08:35 +0100 To: Ken Murchison , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:08:32 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:R9edOiXKSvAnwP4rJ6pQY4meHkt8pOdJkhtLv3nCY4ISGgMqIjj pTlbS8n+5b/j2sOHWxVTKeudTtouDJSqk8MRgQhYeszpTxi1yYOiCou2Qi+vtHH9Jiyj3kA 3/EnHDQHCm+lrPVwW4hAzqi85eHnTOq4sXSp9xEvCz9GkneNn61Y8ZE4J6KmGJxWunuaqtX BaDrKJwmp+21u9uASA2Tg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Jj/5VsuSe/0=:nSp0hD7sq2PpBJAsvthqT4 OMytdhrgV57eOAynRKFYzIPvwrdOLlNqsspO1dADnegJ+N2oDLV8H9XMPoDqYhRtgzejdx0z0 tMBXjFNB3gsDKMN1BO4EKsuGkbI0Yi+RPGlmvPF6LCCIyaXM9+XcMitZQDcn8r0rTbAxWaIGN AM3Yt6k0EAS7ZNgHHtiYXxZNeyZ+rq77mMmE077XSsGWOBdgiIEWuW06ZzIcNDi40daCb7U73 +khHpcLD+TxOawJducpaKM1zldazE/m6tqhMVfGLszvogiLj90CkHKDFH68Pj0Odgt/RA8r5Y BdJTyUPx3GjFWqIXIbM45cw2t/T+Rh7iUdRw7wQ107ROap1cYr960MD1U3sRYt001CFdpPutM h2VkXvEGqnjqgTZ6cfKfjfdtUiC2NrkFeDPFvmoP7t9AiV4Go4xg8Esf7CVZ8p44dqc3tmqKL 03fwuC/91TEGLpB1t9+xW498yt20U4jUmLynXSkt1tZLs4OQxSQ1R4g/9OwUicDUA+pSLWWqQ Uh6dFBgfybY1l+bDPM7cesR9X0lnajlH40Mgraxh8gHRJ2OeznszL/4xW7UgG9QG3ohF/4N8p tavPvcV8qya8i0GWBbPxqUDsM8JJ4tnLQiJniidPxQkURrt+ECurgmUgd+f9jHZF8PS8HgBgk 2TJo+0O78btPU9LXNTrebzecVwmBE9hYmk3uIrvDPTxZ5XyravtXr5NUiGJdfD9uwKdLf6EFT nOL21f12xt5vFG8A++fSNnfKxAnfrk1lsNgqfyDqt/JLdqKyBN30B6qHpY7TE7B6XyPHoM4GG gV4aJ8l Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=julian.reschke@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c6PR8-0005q3-Cr c361b938ed386f1471f3b4dec707d8c5 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13446 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 2016-11-14 18:42, Ken Murchison wrote: > > > On 11/14/2016 09:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> On 2016-11-14 14:42, Ken Murchison wrote: >>> ... >>>> o Should we use a non-protocol-specific REPORT example such as >>>> DAV:sync-collection rather than using CalDAV:calendar-multiget? >>>> >>>> Yes, optimally one defined in the base specs. >>> >>> I think the most widely used REPORT that is closest to being part of the >>> base specs would be DAV:sync-collection. Unless you think I should use >>> DAV:version-tree from 3253 or one of the WebDAV ACL REPORTs. >> >> Actually, I was thinking of >> , >> which "SHOULD" be supported by any server implementing REPORT. > > OK, I will generate an example using expand-property. Do you feel I > should remove the CALDAV:calendar-multiget example? One example should be enough. > I was thinking of adding a non-exhaustive list of current REPORTs that > return=minimal would apply to. Thoughts? Can we clarify this based on the report's response format? >>>> 3. Reducing WebDAV Round-Trips with "return=representation" >>>> >>>> The PUT, COPY, MOVE, [RFC4918] PATCH, [RFC5789] and POST [RFC5995] >>>> >>>> Nit: reference looks a bit weird in between. Also, PUT is defined RFC >>>> 723x, which brings us to the question whether this spec needs to >>>> update RFC 723x. >>> >>> Just remove the references altogether, or place them elsewhere? >> >> Remove sounds good to me. > > Actually, I just realized the I had commas in a stupid place. I fixed > it so it now looks like this: > > "The PUT, COPY, MOVE [RFC4918], PATCH [RFC5789], and POST [RFC5995] > methods ..." > > Does this look better to you? A bit, but it's still misleading for PUT, right? Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Mon Nov 14 14:42:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0ED1295CE for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:42:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a3BtG-EpNqVs for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21DFC12961F for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 14:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6Pld-0005T8-Rf for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:30:21 +0000 Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:30:21 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from titan.w3.org ([128.30.52.76]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6Pld-0005Rh-81; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:30:21 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.157.38]) by titan.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6PlX-0004ZK-7o; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:30:16 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAEMTnCh114506 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:29:50 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de>

From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: <551e3785-24d2-bdb1-c40c-3fa2bc07488a@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 17:29:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.11.14.222117 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_2999 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, REFERENCES 0, SINGLE_URI_IN_BODY 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_HAS_AT 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HTTPS_URI 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SINGLE_URI_TEXT 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __URI_IN_BODY 0, __URI_NO_MAILTO 0, __URI_NO_WWW 0, __URI_NS , __URI_WITH_PATH 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.157.38 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.157.38; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.9 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=1.062, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.799, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: titan.w3.org 1c6PlX-0004ZK-7o cace04afe21af566e33e763a776ad23a X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13447 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 11/14/2016 05:08 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2016-11-14 18:42, Ken Murchison wrote: >> >> >> On 11/14/2016 09:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> On 2016-11-14 14:42, Ken Murchison wrote: >>>> ... >>>>> o Should we use a non-protocol-specific REPORT example such as >>>>> DAV:sync-collection rather than using CalDAV:calendar-multiget? >>>>> >>>>> Yes, optimally one defined in the base specs. >>>> >>>> I think the most widely used REPORT that is closest to being part >>>> of the >>>> base specs would be DAV:sync-collection. Unless you think I should >>>> use >>>> DAV:version-tree from 3253 or one of the WebDAV ACL REPORTs. >>> >>> Actually, I was thinking of >>> , >>> >>> which "SHOULD" be supported by any server implementing REPORT. >> >> OK, I will generate an example using expand-property. Do you feel I >> should remove the CALDAV:calendar-multiget example? > > One example should be enough. Fair enough. >> I was thinking of adding a non-exhaustive list of current REPORTs that >> return=minimal would apply to. Thoughts? > > Can we clarify this based on the report's response format? Not sure what you mean. It only applies to reports which use the multi-status response. Is this not clear from the prose? If not, I will attempt to clarify. >>>>> 3. Reducing WebDAV Round-Trips with "return=representation" >>>>> >>>>> The PUT, COPY, MOVE, [RFC4918] PATCH, [RFC5789] and POST [RFC5995] >>>>> >>>>> Nit: reference looks a bit weird in between. Also, PUT is defined RFC >>>>> 723x, which brings us to the question whether this spec needs to >>>>> update RFC 723x. >>>> >>>> Just remove the references altogether, or place them elsewhere? >>> >>> Remove sounds good to me. >> >> Actually, I just realized the I had commas in a stupid place. I fixed >> it so it now looks like this: >> >> "The PUT, COPY, MOVE [RFC4918], PATCH [RFC5789], and POST [RFC5995] >> methods ..." >> >> Does this look better to you? > > A bit, but it's still misleading for PUT, right? Perhaps, but PUT is discussed in 4918. I can add a reference to 7231 if you prefer. -- Kenneth Murchison Principal Systems Software Engineer Carnegie Mellon University From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Tue Nov 15 06:45:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B0E1296D7 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:45:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5aJWvzaq5T1d for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:45:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 229511296C6 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6ex8-0003XT-Pq for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:43:14 +0000 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:43:14 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from uranus.w3.org ([128.30.52.58]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6ex7-0003Vq-LP for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:43:13 +0000 Received: from www-data by uranus.w3.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6ex2-0001CF-FO for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:43:08 +0000 Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6Kbm-0007IR-IA for w3c-dist-auth@listhub.w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:59:50 +0000 Received: from mail-qk0-f177.google.com ([209.85.220.177]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6Kbg-0004eV-RB for w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 16:59:45 +0000 Received: by mail-qk0-f177.google.com with SMTP id n204so102941940qke.2 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:59:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zdZLN2jujVt6GRRgeDEtxkgEY2hIqdd+F9z/YvVHDt0=; b=fHlVYYy5N8EnMkQwOGp6p6MSv54dIp0ygf4MeaaJ1i2GfHfrpg5AUjxkhsVo+WWH1H 9SXVPnUTzakt1T7/Ghe3wrDwc06aWPIcOt36qH2bNrLBcxGgdYBACtmbYiAO85qQ6A5B o6k01eCzYxzqd6MIx7bxw+/Vsd5I3Qqc1P4aMZLNimsmAa+HRucvc5u2kvN0hgyYYUrj 61cA4zons25tCDHbqdgJQrXmSi6+GSJjVqb48JF6QEiOIalGI58Dy5XBbF2uzCTgMET3 WtGSe+3UFZ8U/yHhi+DHzveI/yMVMtm2TtzL54G2iUAeCo8ygiuv22hsJ5XJPxiDrCD7 +mIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zdZLN2jujVt6GRRgeDEtxkgEY2hIqdd+F9z/YvVHDt0=; b=RWnr5K+aO9cObUW6k6/SpbVcThRfqEKX1a9l0MAa1UfvwS1lCZiZujsxMpS0FIqeFp WDhq5UCDLYWygldEfh2GLaRVQXCS3KzA+EBGhCgk5HoWamOFGW+KMrzTiViRH5hzs8kx yxXRPL1h1X+71uC6NMy8rvpEc5XYS/yX/PXEH70ld8ILYM/75cmaIZZ/pqg5Qxzp6H6P tPRlB+yk3PEyslmEG/97AxUKNPcYkCDZH6RgbwjuR3b9EzRbDdHyh3qLe1JmEIl0T3n1 Rv13WdvDgA3ob7aYOjuvJI+ojeNYFJOJ+8w0BMiNP7OCVNWF54uLj/J6zwjq+ZfiqLKh uA3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngvftC+rjMfksaHXpFITDZ/I/fUSrfKIWPONGqNFPg16UwyNMT5cRz2uwpInQyso5IA== X-Received: by 10.55.135.197 with SMTP id j188mr16703760qkd.71.1479142758801; Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:59:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from Michaels-MacBook-Pro.local (cpe-67-252-53-251.nycap.res.rr.com. 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The sender knows about Prefer and is only sending Brief in case the server doesn't support Prefer. On 11/14/16 11:26, Ken Murchison wrote: > > > On 11/14/2016 09:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >> If it supports this spec, it *will* ignore the Brief by definition, >> right. >> >> So maybe just state that? "it will ignore..."? > > Actually, my implementation supports Prefer but also doesn't ignore > Brief. It treats Brief:true as if Prefer:return=representation was > sent in the request, regardless of whether Prefer was sent or not. I > don't know if this is more appropriate than ignoring Brief, but we > probably need a definitive statement on how a server should behave if > both headers appear in a request. > From news@agressilved.com Tue Nov 15 10:24:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374EF127078 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:24:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.628 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.628 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DIET_1=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_FAIL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLACK=1.7] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=agressilved.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TgOcgWIjXJoM for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from gigahost.dk (agressilved.com [82.180.193.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5230E12949C for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 10:24:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=default; d=agressilved.com; h=From:To:Subject:Reply-to:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date; i=news@agressilved.com; bh=UhK03WNEDnrO7Nhz+OlAtxRgAMUJaefMBfxN1PhsC4A=; b=jxvwQzJh0jF5msOYbutTTGqJxfCDmfffVMu5Ij8l1Y/CCL6O5CVysp6GJPAQmjeRzjtw9nXjaDKK zli605Gq+aJcKhZKOjg47ycPVdJO/SurLIiJ/hKp3sabZ2p/72r0vtn4t/oaNit73A59HAMgoAkh iKwbgA7Q5Ms9EwQkvIQ= Received: by gigahost.dk id h5d9di0001gu for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:19:46 -0500 (envelope-from ) From: "TotalWellnessCleanse" To: webdav-archive@ietf.org Subject: (webdav-archive) Get back to feeling healthy Reply-to: news@agressilved.com Message-ID: <4e3edc537f1206c0420354ecde603ada@agressilved.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:19:46 -0500 =0D =0D

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=0D =0D From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Tue Nov 15 12:43:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3721294E6 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:43:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lx7K05EbRikN for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B90CD1293FB for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kX1-00059Z-Bk for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:40:39 +0000 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:40:39 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kWs-00057W-HY; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:40:30 +0000 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kWl-0000qC-Fc; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:40:25 +0000 Received: from [31.133.147.187] ([31.133.147.187]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LqW8j-1ckC070KcD-00e1Fg; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:39:50 +0100 To: Ken Murchison , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <543f32e6-ca27-6c04-9f3a-68550eda24c4@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:39:47 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:wB2TRtYOM/7n/mMnj+oFiZtcfgTJnjMWr1/Z6PQda8oD2FMQASm lIGhMANrgP4Wl1NsGv64TCqNsiauS/d+20BVvuFgVCUPRv+MibJXMHVkErcW0JWYED7UnlN TWKr7jiWDZ/NjLlxI4/wOKJeeuJIbqst14p+klL0j147h1LMiirBJ2HqfZkS57T64X+ztiz NEfr4byXMu2x5whz2Ibvg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8yinGYyMN+k=:7ZyoR9Y0BIfN2xJ/Zx8ziK HQa7+ObowHDCQcgk9YyyGmsYvJAP1TInSajHaxXofOJM178oGgMaB86VzxZ1cOqEDkaWFikLO ib7SFSS2AD7nmIDNrizoMFazrIogyPbIG809rBBGyocbRqSW6SDpO0AKcQUX3ft3vmHDt5sjx uegLJn7qkrI5Lu7l80Id+sgNZ0Q4DO6tvOFGZasu1MEn4tSUkkJ2NvrTvbrhiMJbzEC9B9sGr U6yTdlxrAI0Jx5/1wUtwGgllVnAOr8bli+dIXum7KS8ti/kH8UhBd8HpTP6cpcvSPHqYddF8F pCwcAbVA21Q8ylE6rLCt3Xxgi0aw1l5uzc5n/R6xCA/7znDyDsMYDg+uj7zByURDZcGSBh65K xyzNvCgnqQ/0AI5YOBR7mjb9GY7Phw8Bo2kLQUO2zwJryxh6GUdMLHr8J3EuXz4Xc1heBxuum 5JKOJ531OL7109OowWNP6GOKcsr7Qsi8qhC2Ny7DVKKFI9dLyvl9fDao2aWMGlrM00K+Sz7a9 44nZALQ7y82Rh5vEL35CRxkI/NKZZyQ3/Nb13g9cLYmdNqLl28DXNZt53ysH6vCwP8YfY29n+ wpMo8zMyDarLu+VnB4U+suuQEgH6JISVsEnGy1Gv50jwFEy4ZeRySYqP4ohe8+4CBB9CJ3ZSE 1ehZXmanQ9zZf5PAQtFyCA4abycvZ0zdsqM52F+hW+M6tnG8Rn798UJfZd/tfdQMGVD7QXkAv StOM1UgxhsUXbUyLuiG8ys44XcP78LbTl2UaODVn4FmP3tif9YqV1qXjoaByLnJFu+1tfaqsx qEDYt9k Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.20; envelope-from=julian.reschke@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c6kWl-0000qC-Fc eb8df1b595cb0d7315e442e53798b172 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13449 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 2016-11-14 15:41, Julian Reschke wrote: > ... > Tricky question. > > For RFC 7240 I *believe* the reason is that even if a preference is > applied, the response is still compliant with the base spec. Whereas > this is not the case for most behaviors describes in this spec. > > Thus, an implementer should be able to locate this spec by looking at > the IANA method registry. That registry can either list this spec as > modifying the method definition, or this spec would need to state that > it "updates" the definition referenced in the IANA registry. > > Right now I'm not sure which of the two alternatives is best. > ... I talked to Alexey, and I believe we agreed that updating the IANA method registry (*adding* references to this spec) would be sufficient. Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Tue Nov 15 12:59:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A9512955E for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:59:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FPEcfjmQUPwu for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EE9D129456 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 12:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kn0-0007CK-Fo for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:57:10 +0000 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:57:10 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kmz-0007BH-Ry; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:57:09 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.157.37]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kmu-0001Wn-5Q; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:57:04 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAFKucx8126131 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:56:39 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> <543f32e6-ca27-6c04-9f3a-68550eda24c4@gmx.de> From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: <4bd5b083-65cf-f41c-ef35-80f468a191df@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:56:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <543f32e6-ca27-6c04-9f3a-68550eda24c4@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.11.15.203317 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1400_1499 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_HAS_AT 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.157.37 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.157.37; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=3.550, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.799, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c6kmu-0001Wn-5Q d90540fd8b3737a608397b2562df8c6d X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13450 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 11/15/2016 03:39 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2016-11-14 15:41, Julian Reschke wrote: >> ... >> Tricky question. >> >> For RFC 7240 I *believe* the reason is that even if a preference is >> applied, the response is still compliant with the base spec. Whereas >> this is not the case for most behaviors describes in this spec. >> >> Thus, an implementer should be able to locate this spec by looking at >> the IANA method registry. That registry can either list this spec as >> modifying the method definition, or this spec would need to state that >> it "updates" the definition referenced in the IANA registry. >> >> Right now I'm not sure which of the two alternatives is best. >> ... > > I talked to Alexey, and I believe we agreed that updating the IANA > method registry (*adding* references to this spec) would be sufficient. OK. Is this in lieu of listing updated RFCs in the boilerplate or in addition? Is there a template for updating the registry with references? Or is some simple text asking for the references to be added sufficient? Just to clarify, which methods do you think need to have additional references? PROPFIND, REPORT, and PROPPATCH because we alter the responses for return=minimal? Also keep in mind the the server is always free to ignore the preference if it so chooses. -- Kenneth Murchison Principal Systems Software Engineer Carnegie Mellon University From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Tue Nov 15 13:02:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8A4129570 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:02:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bxfh-ugHnjbz for ; 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envelope-from=julian.reschke@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=0.117, BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c6kpf-0001al-08 51e15769ed0aa190dc8715e9dcb67ea0 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13451 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 2016-11-15 21:56, Ken Murchison wrote: > > > On 11/15/2016 03:39 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> On 2016-11-14 15:41, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> ... >>> Tricky question. >>> >>> For RFC 7240 I *believe* the reason is that even if a preference is >>> applied, the response is still compliant with the base spec. Whereas >>> this is not the case for most behaviors describes in this spec. >>> >>> Thus, an implementer should be able to locate this spec by looking at >>> the IANA method registry. That registry can either list this spec as >>> modifying the method definition, or this spec would need to state that >>> it "updates" the definition referenced in the IANA registry. >>> >>> Right now I'm not sure which of the two alternatives is best. >>> ... >> >> I talked to Alexey, and I believe we agreed that updating the IANA >> method registry (*adding* references to this spec) would be sufficient. > > OK. Is this in lieu of listing updated RFCs in the boilerplate or in > addition? Instead of. > Is there a template for updating the registry with references? Or is > some simple text asking for the references to be added sufficient? The latter should be sufficient. > Just to clarify, which methods do you think need to have additional > references? PROPFIND, REPORT, and PROPPATCH because we alter the > responses for return=minimal? Also keep in mind the the server is > always free to ignore the preference if it so chooses. Those, plus MKCOL, right? Best regards, Julian From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Tue Nov 15 13:10:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF79E1293E1 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:10:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ft8a9w4vMZe3 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C8071294F4 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kxG-00080c-Ia for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:07:46 +0000 Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:07:46 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kxF-0007zh-Tk; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:07:45 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.105.203]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c6kxA-00027x-9b; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 21:07:40 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAFL7EdC129733 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:07:15 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> <543f32e6-ca27-6c04-9f3a-68550eda24c4@gmx.de> <4bd5b083-65cf-f41c-ef35-80f468a191df@andrew.cmu.edu> <8be05398-476f-cdf5-6048-1ad26f0da32a@gmx.de> From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: <9b021292-f697-fac9-c79e-495480435e27@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 16:07:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8be05398-476f-cdf5-6048-1ad26f0da32a@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.11.7.221517 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_700_799 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __FORWARDED_MSG 0, __FROM_HAS_AT 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.105.203 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.105.203; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=1.775, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.799, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c6kxA-00027x-9b c7d016a2770f4c0f554d128a813641a4 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13452 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 11/15/2016 03:59 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2016-11-15 21:56, Ken Murchison wrote: > >> Just to clarify, which methods do you think need to have additional >> references? PROPFIND, REPORT, and PROPPATCH because we alter the >> responses for return=minimal? Also keep in mind the the server is >> always free to ignore the preference if it so chooses. > > Those, plus MKCOL, right? Hmm. I'm not sure we alter anything specified by 4918 or 5689 for MKCOL. Maybe there is an argument that we alter the MKCALENDAR response. I do wonder why 5689 isn't listed as a reference for MKCOL since it adds a request body. -- Kenneth Murchison Principal Systems Software Engineer Carnegie Mellon University From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Tue Nov 15 13:24:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF5F1294F4 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2016 13:24:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yvSgdxhz007F for ; 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Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:21:22 +0100 To: Ken Murchison , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> <543f32e6-ca27-6c04-9f3a-68550eda24c4@gmx.de> <4bd5b083-65cf-f41c-ef35-80f468a191df@andrew.cmu.edu> <8be05398-476f-cdf5-6048-1ad26f0da32a@gmx.de> <9b021292-f697-fac9-c79e-495480435e27@andrew.cmu.edu> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <931ccd58-e3fc-bda4-98a7-423a5a960641@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 22:21:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9b021292-f697-fac9-c79e-495480435e27@andrew.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ihDgfSsgO+TJ6vuOuM2Zh9Pi+DnhKlcQaWqqd0dGLv+3Y2Dp7Ix BmKNAkA8S3l4UTyKixSRAo1TDGRUZ3uBc2LZ30TGEpyRl3tsAJ/IpOyJ9KOMxmhUecoyIYK jzxGNMZ4yDJl/GzRFb8tEaVnFY16tT8zGBAcDhWmIxlq94PPDPWnYTrvsSpzP3AzVC9CXTI eeNQB5Sicv7j43ciPRWrw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ZQvhi1rsJH8=:MfLBTmj+vqwpNGIwr+upDO EpuFjsNdmzngKDrKe6JuCZGSiKONY4N7SKlGcVKDqmtgsI3MnLGEPARVGKfd3J5swxF12SDh/ Kh5fdzweVbl/+jhUeJoBMHAp4M2e42HZzU2nAUMuOh3WaRkvgmO+0UNQtAYkq2Tme/OSBxxIC RqHeI4zE96atGSWN1NRLOnwlczWv4h1b/4aAAV0UuSC2s5OMF3fQ0YEw09o5exyqlihTrckX/ BnYVwayxXRZahklNhGLKIYl4/sd5BCQBmEmIClo/qDcNHXWQfjDK0QDdbazd0kRAz8s8lbbDI +2MIawVzDoLRp1+PPV1CFdJzoRjzpi3YmDqRCgtky7beNDNTvFTK3bLNoJRYmHB/zuZu31Tzw tvsT/XhAdN9eZiG/mTq8X+sY9L95VIpR846Ctdd9sfxH3OSw5VTz0++iwxaeefQ0AltGZDmCS Q+JaLLnXrl3SOSQAeNofF8/T8wz3kJduVdCL4EvSO2MK4N+ER/YTJ+a4BLkEBd5hafjYuKSdG W/VnvKHLf+HmLC84DdJPVCGR2lCmJDzjzORNpC1Gyoiakb/vy26KxFCX0kkTIvtMX0r3jKaL4 SDaHZtQmGEcSlPyzRaIbrRyoxxfB0SMDXk6D5gonhX6lBL6NkChqhuTimrETkndVq/i/IkTKW EjXoBuVqDs8f+7pTqbqW7IC+FLKEuKsWFGBkqfYO8PUX0C78BKfj77khFu6AUdmtgth/Prhxz iMgTx6Vfd3R9qyvJbxFTfB4j0bm5nNSfXJ6DuPwswNV7SJxuVqXu4Fx/28FFCwMew5uQ7WZbe Z1CsE1m Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.20; envelope-from=julian.reschke@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=0.114, BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_DB=-1, W3C_IRA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c6lAx-0002pb-3u 90b868c2abbbc3385ba34368d9907e78 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13453 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: On 2016-11-15 22:07, Ken Murchison wrote: > > > On 11/15/2016 03:59 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> On 2016-11-15 21:56, Ken Murchison wrote: >> >>> Just to clarify, which methods do you think need to have additional >>> references? PROPFIND, REPORT, and PROPPATCH because we alter the >>> responses for return=minimal? Also keep in mind the the server is >>> always free to ignore the preference if it so chooses. >> >> Those, plus MKCOL, right? > > Hmm. I'm not sure we alter anything specified by 4918 or 5689 for > MKCOL. Maybe there is an argument that we alter the MKCALENDAR response. Aren't we altering the response for extended MKCOL? > I do wonder why 5689 isn't listed as a reference for MKCOL since it adds > a request body. Oversight, I would say. From w3c-dist-auth-request+bounce-webdav-archive=lists.ietf.org@listhub.w3.org Wed Nov 16 08:43:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-webdav-archive@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10686129460 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:43:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5eJ3FPs0AqHX for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:43:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from frink.w3.org (frink.w3.org [128.30.52.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29D741293D9 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:43:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists by frink.w3.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c73GP-00083c-UV for w3c-dist-auth-dist@listhub.w3.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:40:45 +0000 Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:40:45 +0000 Resent-Message-Id: Received: from mimas.w3.org ([128.30.52.79]) by frink.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1c73GO-00082q-Se; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:40:44 +0000 Received: from smtp.andrew.cmu.edu ([128.2.157.38]) by mimas.w3.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c73GJ-0003sD-6X; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 16:40:39 +0000 Received: from [172.31.25.154] (VPN-172-31-25-154.VPN.CMU.LOCAL [172.31.25.154]) (user=murch mech=PLAIN (0 bits)) by smtp.andrew.cmu.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAGGeCeH044099 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:40:13 -0500 To: Julian Reschke , HTTP Working Group , WebDAV References: <147647657198.18541.16272058165406493619.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <7fdc3595-9e50-3515-1822-ef13e9197518@gmx.de> <7e92cd24-569e-7eae-e9d9-397660ec0798@andrew.cmu.edu> <5869f8f6-0ded-16a6-e844-0a7e982e6936@gmx.de> <543f32e6-ca27-6c04-9f3a-68550eda24c4@gmx.de> <4bd5b083-65cf-f41c-ef35-80f468a191df@andrew.cmu.edu> <8be05398-476f-cdf5-6048-1ad26f0da32a@gmx.de> <9b021292-f697-fac9-c79e-495480435e27@andrew.cmu.edu> <931ccd58-e3fc-bda4-98a7-423a5a960641@gmx.de> From: Ken Murchison Organization: Carnegie Mellon University Message-ID: <3846755e-3a96-c663-e01d-e04989510e63@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 11:40:12 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <931ccd58-e3fc-bda4-98a7-423a5a960641@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 6.3.0.2556906, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2016.11.16.163016 X-SMTP-Spam-Clean: 8% ( HTML_00_01 0.05, HTML_00_10 0.05, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_400_499 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, DATE_TZ_NA 0, FROM_EDU_TLD 0, IN_REP_TO 0, LEGITIMATE_NEGATE 0, LEGITIMATE_SIGNS 0, MSG_THREAD 0, NO_CTA_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_FOUND 0, NO_URI_HTTPS 0, REFERENCES 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_FROM 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_TEXT_P 0, __MIME_TEXT_P1 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT 0, __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW 0, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1 0, __REFERENCES 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NAME 0, __TO_NAME_DIFF_FROM_ACC 0, __TO_REAL_NAMES 0, __USER_AGENT 0) X-SMTP-Spam-Score: 8% X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 128.2.157.38 Received-SPF: none client-ip=128.2.157.38; envelope-from=murch@andrew.cmu.edu; helo=smtp.andrew.cmu.edu X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 X-W3C-Hub-Spam-Report: AWL=3.598, BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, W3C_AA=-1, W3C_WL=-1 X-W3C-Scan-Sig: mimas.w3.org 1c73GJ-0003sD-6X a4e573b2d7b744095b8d84211a9f3a22 X-Original-To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Subject: Re: feedback on draft-murchison-webdav-prefer-09 Archived-At: Resent-From: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13454 X-Loop: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org Resent-Sender: w3c-dist-auth-request@w3.org Precedence: list List-Id: List-Help: List-Post: List-Unsubscribe: Julian, I just posted version -10 which I think addresses all of your comments. I did add a few new open issues. Feel free to start another thread with any new comments. 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= =0D To manage diabetes well means keeping your blo= od sugar level down in the same range as that of people who don't have diab= etes. The way we check this level is the A1C (sometimes called glycated hem= oglobin, hemoglobin A1c, or HbA1c). This test tells you what your average b= lood sugar level was during the previous two or three months by using a dro= p of blood about as small as that you use on your regular fingerstick tests= that tells you what your level is right then.=0D

=0D When you manage your diabetes well, it is well controlled. It is nor= mal. We know that the normal A1C level is 6.0 or below. See "The Normal A1C= Level."=0D

=0D You can use drugs to bring your A1C level down to normal. That's a g= ood thing. But this strategy does have its costs, and those costs aren't ju= st money out of your pocket or your checkbook. The worst of those costs = are the potential side effects of the drugs.=0D

=0D The good news is that diabetics can learn how to control diabetes= without medication by making a few lifestyle changes= . =0D

=0D A recent report by a team of doctors has shed new light on just how = effective this can be. [Keep Reading]=0D

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