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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Mon Oct 19 09:19:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ABD28C0FA for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:19:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.366 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.366 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.920, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DIPQ-Rnkfp0C for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4883A679C for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9JGHodH062979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9JGHobw062978; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9JGHhgj062966 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster#pop3$clerew$man$ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4adc8fde.25a4.30e for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:14 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n9JGC3XQ000580 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n9JGC25i000575 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25134 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: AUTH48 is stuck Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:28 GMT Lines: 40 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding syntax in RFC 5536. I published the changes I considered desirable (a considerable simplification in fact) in this WG months and months ago, and I thought we had rough consensus that they should go ahead - certainly several people seemed happy with the idea, and none opposed it. But I am only the second editor. Ken Murchison is the primary editor and holds the responsibility for communicating the changes to the RFC Editor, unless either he or Harald decides or requests otherwise. But there has been total silence from Ken, apart from two messages to say he would do it "RSN". Every month, the RFC Editor circulates to the editors and others concerned an enquiry as to whether the changes are yet available, and each month I reply saying we are still waiting for Ken. In desperation a few weeks ago, I prepared the diffs I considered necessary in the required format, and sent them to Ken (CC to Harald) with a request that he either adopted them, or did his own, or authorized me to submit them myself. But there has been no reply. How can we proceed if neither Ken nor Harald are replying to emails? And how else can we proceed? -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 20 12:54:37 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD273A692D for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_FINGER_02=2.134] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8hGI65r5nds for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113693A6978 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9KJqrXe063779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9KJqrdm063778; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9KJqf59063755 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 11468 invoked by uid 503); 20 Oct 2009 19:52:42 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail626.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 19:52:42 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 19:53:19 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.18.37) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 19:53:18 -0000 Message-ID: <09FB359BCD4E41A49F0A9D5BBA306602@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:52:32 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 1526157324623543737 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.18.37 (aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. And what is the status of RFC 5537 (USEPRO)? Is it blocked by RFC 5536? > How can we proceed if neither Ken nor Harald are replying to emails? And > how else can we proceed? Too bad USEFOR is stucked in AUTH 48. Doesn't the RFC Editor have a "backup solution"? Maybe Russ has an idea (he is currently on holiday). And on another subject, do you have a ready-to-release useage-02? -- Julien ÉLIE Ť Memoriam quoque ipsam cum uoce perdidissemus, si tam in nostra potestate esset obliuisci quam tacere. ť (Tacite, _Vie d'Agricola_) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Wed Oct 21 04:20:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2EB3A6821 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:20:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CNQJLCqddrh8 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F97F3A67CC for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9LBCFBq013437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9LBCFXq013434; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net [79.135.125.41]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9LBC70s013413 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3&clerew^man&ac^uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4adeec86.27d0.b7 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:06 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n9LBC3ol028527 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n9LBC2F9028521 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25136 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <09FB359BCD4E41A49F0A9D5BBA306602@Iulius> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:20:38 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <09FB359BCD4E41A49F0A9D5BBA306602@Iulius> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi Charles, >> RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. >And what is the status of RFC 5537 (USEPRO)? Is it blocked by RFC 5536? Yes. Not much point in publishing the one without the other. >Too bad USEFOR is stucked in AUTH 48. Doesn't the RFC Editor have >a "backup solution"? Maybe Russ has an idea (he is currently on holiday). Yes, I would welcome some inpout from Russ. >And on another subject, do you have a ready-to-release useage-02? No. -- Charles H. 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From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Fri Oct 23 10:26:20 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6810D3A68B8 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.333 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.333 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.322, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TVD_FINGER_02=2.134] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F80v6KNDIse1 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9936E3A6849 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9NHP8bi091827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9NHP8g9091826; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9NHOx80091809 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 14340 invoked by uid 503); 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 19889 invoked by uid 503); 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail419.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:25:10 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.18.37) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:25:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:24:54 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 16641926524045950393 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.18.37 (aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than > RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably > simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding > syntax in RFC 5536. If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs are invalid: <"test"@test> whereas the following message-ID is valid: Do you confirm? Syntax in USEFOR is: message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" ; maximum length is 250 octets msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right id-left = dot-atom-text id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal no-fold-literal = "[" *mdtext "]" mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII %d63-90 / ; characters not including %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" with (from RFC 5322): dot-atom-text = 1*atext *("." 1*atext) atext = ALPHA / DIGIT / ; Printable US-ASCII "!" / "#" / ; characters not including "$" / "%" / ; specials. Used for atoms. "&" / "'" / "*" / "+" / "-" / "/" / "=" / "?" / "^" / "_" / "`" / "{" / "|" / "}" / "~" Thanks, -- Julien ÉLIE Ť Tempora si fuerint nubila, solus eris. ť (Ovide) From owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Tue Oct 27 10:13:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-usefor-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229E428C0EB for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:13:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.223 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.223 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.777, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YeYh-E04Kyyx for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA113A6A4F for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9RHC7f5002099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9RHC7ac002098; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9RHC4HS002091 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3$clerew^man*ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4ae729e2.6be.1f0 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:02 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n9RHC2QN015990 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:02 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n9RHC10J015984 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25138 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:32:12 GMT Lines: 83 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi Charles, >> The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than >> RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably >> simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding >> syntax in RFC 5536. >If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs >are invalid: ><"test"@test> > > > >whereas the following message-ID is valid: > >Do you confirm? Correct. And the same is true in RFC 5322 also. But some strange variants such as <"te..st@test> are allowed in the present USEFOR syntax. RFC 5322 disallows _any_ before the '@', and so all the funny cases disappear. My proposal is to disallow the same things in USEFOR >Syntax in USEFOR is: N.B. this is the syntax I propose > message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF > msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" > ; maximum length is 250 octets > msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right > id-left = dot-atom-text Wheaeas the USEFOR draft currently has id-left = dot-atom-text / no-fold-quote followed by a syntax for no-fold-quote > id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal > no-fold-literal = "[" *mdtext "]" > mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII > %d63-90 / ; characters not including > %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" >with (from RFC 5322): > dot-atom-text = 1*atext *("." 1*atext) > atext = ALPHA / DIGIT / ; Printable US-ASCII > "!" / "#" / ; characters not including > "$" / "%" / ; specials. Used for atoms. > "&" / "'" / > "*" / "+" / > "-" / "/" / > "=" / "?" / > "^" / "_" / > "`" / "{" / > "|" / "}" / > "~" -- Charles H. 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Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9RHC7f5002099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9RHC7ac002098; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:12:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9RHC4HS002091 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster$pop3$clerew^man*ac#uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4ae729e2.6be.1f0 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:02 +0000 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n9RHC2QN015990 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:02 GMT Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n9RHC10J015984 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:12:01 GMT To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25138 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:32:12 GMT Lines: 83 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi Charles, >> The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than >> RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably >> simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding >> syntax in RFC 5536. >If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs >are invalid: ><"test"@test> > > > >whereas the following message-ID is valid: > >Do you confirm? Correct. And the same is true in RFC 5322 also. But some strange variants such as <"te..st@test> are allowed in the present USEFOR syntax. RFC 5322 disallows _any_ before the '@', and so all the funny cases disappear. My proposal is to disallow the same things in USEFOR >Syntax in USEFOR is: N.B. this is the syntax I propose > message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF > msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" > ; maximum length is 250 octets > msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right > id-left = dot-atom-text Wheaeas the USEFOR draft currently has id-left = dot-atom-text / no-fold-quote followed by a syntax for no-fold-quote > id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal > no-fold-literal = "[" *mdtext "]" > mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII > %d63-90 / ; characters not including > %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" >with (from RFC 5322): > dot-atom-text = 1*atext *("." 1*atext) > atext = ALPHA / DIGIT / ; Printable US-ASCII > "!" / "#" / ; characters not including > "$" / "%" / ; specials. Used for atoms. > "&" / "'" / > "*" / "+" / > "-" / "/" / > "=" / "?" / > "^" / "_" / > "`" / "{" / > "|" / "}" / > "~" -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9NHP8bi091827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9NHP8g9091826; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:25:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net (26.mail-out.ovh.net [91.121.27.225]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9NHOx80091809 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:25:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 14340 invoked by uid 503); 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: from 42.mail-out.ovh.net (213.251.189.42) by 26.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 19889 invoked by uid 503); 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail419.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 42.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:24:58 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:25:10 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.18.37) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2009 17:25:08 -0000 Message-ID: <4C0DF3C5C9A9442498E0C571F17B63E2@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:24:54 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 16641926524045950393 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.18.37 (aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than > RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably > simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding > syntax in RFC 5536. If I understand well the new syntax in USEFOR, the following message-IDs are invalid: <"test"@test> whereas the following message-ID is valid: Do you confirm? Syntax in USEFOR is: message-id = "Message-ID:" SP *WSP msg-id *WSP CRLF msg-id = "<" msg-id-core ">" ; maximum length is 250 octets msg-id-core = id-left "@" id-right id-left = dot-atom-text id-right = dot-atom-text / no-fold-literal no-fold-literal = "[" *mdtext "]" mdtext = %d33-61 / ; The rest of the US-ASCII %d63-90 / ; characters not including %d94-126 ; ">", "[", "]", or "\" with (from RFC 5322): dot-atom-text = 1*atext *("." 1*atext) atext = ALPHA / DIGIT / ; Printable US-ASCII "!" / "#" / ; characters not including "$" / "%" / ; specials. Used for atoms. "&" / "'" / "*" / "+" / "-" / "/" / "=" / "?" / "^" / "_" / "`" / "{" / "|" / "}" / "~" Thanks, -- Julien ÉLIE Ť Tempora si fuerint nubila, solus eris. ť (Ovide) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9LBCFBq013437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9LBCFXq013434; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:12:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net [79.135.125.41]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9LBC70s013413 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster*pop3&clerew^man&ac^uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-2.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4adeec86.27d0.b7 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:06 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n9LBC3ol028527 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n9LBC2F9028521 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25136 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) References: <09FB359BCD4E41A49F0A9D5BBA306602@Iulius> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:20:38 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: In <09FB359BCD4E41A49F0A9D5BBA306602@Iulius> =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= writes: >Hi Charles, >> RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. >And what is the status of RFC 5537 (USEPRO)? Is it blocked by RFC 5536? Yes. Not much point in publishing the one without the other. >Too bad USEFOR is stucked in AUTH 48. Doesn't the RFC Editor have >a "backup solution"? Maybe Russ has an idea (he is currently on holiday). Yes, I would welcome some inpout from Russ. >And on another subject, do you have a ready-to-release useage-02? No. -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5 Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9KJqrXe063779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9KJqrdm063778; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:52:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from 30.mail-out.ovh.net (30.mail-out.ovh.net [213.186.62.213]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n9KJqf59063755 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:52:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from julien@trigofacile.com) Received: (qmail 11468 invoked by uid 503); 20 Oct 2009 19:52:42 -0000 Received: from b9.ovh.net (HELO mail626.ha.ovh.net) (213.186.33.59) by 30.mail-out.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 19:52:42 -0000 Received: from b0.ovh.net (HELO queueout) (213.186.33.50) by b0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 19:53:19 -0000 Received: from aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr (HELO Iulius) (julien%trigofacile.com@83.112.18.37) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 20 Oct 2009 19:53:18 -0000 Message-ID: <09FB359BCD4E41A49F0A9D5BBA306602@Iulius> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Julien_=C9LIE?= To: "Usefor WG" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: AUTH48 is stuck Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:52:32 +0200 Organization: TrigoFACILE -- http://www.trigofacile.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 1526157324623543737 X-Ovh-Remote: 83.112.18.37 (aaubervilliers-151-1-27-37.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: DONE|U 0.5/N Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Hi Charles, > RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. And what is the status of RFC 5537 (USEPRO)? Is it blocked by RFC 5536? > How can we proceed if neither Ken nor Harald are replying to emails? And > how else can we proceed? Too bad USEFOR is stucked in AUTH 48. Doesn't the RFC Editor have a "backup solution"? Maybe Russ has an idea (he is currently on holiday). And on another subject, do you have a ready-to-release useage-02? -- Julien ÉLIE Ť Memoriam quoque ipsam cum uoce perdidissemus, si tam in nostra potestate esset obliuisci quam tacere. ť (Tacite, _Vie d'Agricola_) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9JGHodH062979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.13.5/Submit) id n9JGHobw062978; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:17:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: balder-227.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net (v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net [79.135.125.99]) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n9JGHhgj062966 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from news@clerew.man.ac.uk) Received: from [80.175.135.89] ([80.175.135.89] helo=clerew.man.ac.uk country=GB ident=postmaster#pop3$clerew$man$ac&uk) by v-smtp-auth-relay-5.gradwell.net with esmtpa (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.290) id 4adc8fde.25a4.30e for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:14 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from clerew.man.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id n9JGC3XQ000580 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from news@localhost) by clerew.man.ac.uk (8.13.7/8.13.7/Submit) id n9JGC25i000575 for ietf-usefor@imc.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:12:02 +0100 (BST) To: ietf-usefor@imc.org Xref: clerew local.usefor:25134 Path: clerew!chl From: "Charles Lindsey" Subject: AUTH48 is stuck Message-ID: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.2 (NOV) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:28 GMT Lines: 40 Sender: owner-ietf-usefor@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: RFC 5536 (aka our USEFOR) draft is stuck in AUTH 48. The problem is that it is agreed it needs to refer to RFC 5532 rather than RFC 2822, but RFC has changed the syntax of Message-ID (considerably simplified it) and this has consequential effects on the corresponding syntax in RFC 5536. I published the changes I considered desirable (a considerable simplification in fact) in this WG months and months ago, and I thought we had rough consensus that they should go ahead - certainly several people seemed happy with the idea, and none opposed it. But I am only the second editor. Ken Murchison is the primary editor and holds the responsibility for communicating the changes to the RFC Editor, unless either he or Harald decides or requests otherwise. But there has been total silence from Ken, apart from two messages to say he would do it "RSN". Every month, the RFC Editor circulates to the editors and others concerned an enquiry as to whether the changes are yet available, and each month I reply saying we are still waiting for Ken. In desperation a few weeks ago, I prepared the diffs I considered necessary in the required format, and sent them to Ken (CC to Harald) with a request that he either adopted them, or did his own, or authorized me to submit them myself. But there has been no reply. How can we proceed if neither Ken nor Harald are replying to emails? And how else can we proceed? -- Charles H. Lindsey ---------At Home, doing my own thing------------------------ Tel: +44 161 436 6131 Web: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~chl Email: chl@clerew.man.ac.uk Snail: 5 Clerewood Ave, CHEADLE, SK8 3JU, U.K. PGP: 2C15F1A9 Fingerprint: 73 6D C2 51 93 A0 01 E7 65 E8 64 7E 14 A4 AB A5