From urn-nid-bounces@apps.ietf.org Fri Jan 19 13:35:40 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H7yaF-0005qY-JR; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:35:27 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwxK1-0005st-Fm for urn-nid@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:01:09 -0500 Received: from mail8.hanbiro.com ([211.234.116.199]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GwxJz-0006Ip-Un for urn-nid@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 04:01:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 17648 invoked by uid 3001); 20 Dec 2006 18:00:59 +0900 Hanbiro-VS-Header: |||,UNKNOWN,127.0.0.1,21714,1166605259.17640 Received: from unknown (HELO hmail) (127.0.0.1) by 0 (qmail 1.03 + ejcp v14) with SMTP; 20 Dec 2006 18:00:59 +0900 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary = "_----------=_NextPart_HMail_NJb4fMjruo21qznEkXzacl6TrtnQ0jbd_175590" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: HMailer 3.0.0 - (http://www.hanbirosoft.com) X-Originating-Host: emgns.com [218.38.148.174]; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:00:57 +0900 (KST) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:00:57 +0900 (KST) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; InfoPath.1) Message-Id: <1166605257.17559.ksham.nid@emgns.com> In-Reply-To: ksham.nid@emgns.com X-Chwmcty: http://mail.emgns.com/cgi-bin/mail,1166605257.17559 From: =?EUC-KR?B?S1NIYW0=?= To: ; X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 4d9ae72af46718088458d214998cc683 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:35:26 -0500 Cc: Subject: Request for URN NID for "name" X-BeenThere: urn-nid@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?EUC-KR?B?S1NIYW0=?= List-Id: discussion of new namespace identifiers for URNs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: urn-nid-bounces@apps.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_NextPart_HMail_NJb4fMjruo21qznEkXzacl6TrtnQ0jbd_175590 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=euc-kr
Dear Sir/Madam:

Attached internet-draft for the URN NID for "name"

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Ham, Kyungsoo
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X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:35:46 -0500 Cc: Subject: Internet-draft for URN NID "name" X-BeenThere: urn-nid@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?EUC-KR?B?S1NIYW0=?= List-Id: discussion of new namespace identifiers for URNs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: urn-nid-bounces@apps.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_NextPart_HMail_utNOv7nTYKxuj5jc0wohraIBteE6jGS0_157520 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=euc-kr Dear Sir/Madam:

Attached internet-draft for the URN NID for "name" (draft-kyungsoo-name-urn-01.txt)

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

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X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:35:46 -0500 Cc: Subject: Resubmitting internet-draft for URN NID "name" X-BeenThere: urn-nid@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?EUC-KR?B?S1NIYW0=?= List-Id: discussion of new namespace identifiers for URNs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: urn-nid-bounces@apps.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_NextPart_HMail_7JDwPwZu5RYZaOEjKNza66oVeGkVLDpj_245220 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=euc-kr Dear Sir/Madam:

Attached internet-draft for the URN NID for "name" (draft-kyungsoo-name-urn-01.txt)

I've corrected the version number in the draft itself.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

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for urn-nid@apps.ietf.org; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:55:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shu.cs.utk.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702155645D; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:55:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new with ClamAV and SpamAssasin at cs.utk.edu Received: from shu.cs.utk.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (shu.cs.utk.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Bel9bv1Sbnp; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (user-119b1dm.biz.mindspring.com [66.149.133.182]) by shu.cs.utk.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0552756476; Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:55:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45B1142F.6070101@cs.utk.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:55:43 -0500 From: Keith Moore User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KSHam References: <1166678183.15752.ksham.nid@emgns.com> In-Reply-To: <1166678183.15752.ksham.nid@emgns.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Cc: urn-nid@apps.ietf.org Subject: Re: Internet-draft for URN NID "name" X-BeenThere: urn-nid@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: discussion of new namespace identifiers for URNs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: urn-nid-bounces@apps.ietf.org this is a really bad idea in so many ways. "name" is a confusing NID as it means nothing. all URNs are names. attempting to use human-readable strings as URNs makes naming conflicts inevitable and invites disputes over ownership of those strings, both within the resolution system and between those names and trademarks. for that reason alone it is very unlikely that the binding between a name: URN and its resource will be able to be stable. expecting clients to automatically insert disambiguating information such as a country code will produce surprising and inconsistent results from one user or client to another. it hardly matters that the URN itself is unambiguous if the user interface is expected to create an inconsistency. on the Internet, the notion of country is fairly arbitrary - is it the nationality of the user (and if he has multiple nationalities, which one?), the location of the user's computer (shall it use GPS to determine this?), the location of the user's PoP with his ISP, the nationality of the owner of the computer, what? bottom line: this is exactly what URNs were not intended to be. this proposal should be denied with extreme prejudice. From urn-nid-bounces@apps.ietf.org Wed Jan 24 11:37:59 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H9l89-0000zO-Ea; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:37:49 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H9l87-0000zG-R8 for urn-nid@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:37:47 -0500 Received: from gbmddmh210asvr.siemens.co.uk ([212.58.233.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H9l86-0007TY-5b for urn-nid@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:37:47 -0500 Received: from GBMDDMH213ASVR (GBMDDMH213ASVR [192.168.200.74] (may be forged)) by GBMDDMH210ASVR.siemens.co.uk (Switch-3.1.5/Switch-3.1.2) with ESMTP id Z0OG34E5S00001480 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:40:50 GMT Received: from GBMDDMH202AMSX.gb001.siemens.net ([137.223.62.125]unverified) by GBMDDMH213ASVR with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:37:10 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C73FD5.D3C4C247" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:36:41 -0000 Message-ID: <954EA45F47E3E54C94AB0B1A142C8BF2018149A2@GBMDDMH202AMSX.gb001.siemens.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Application for a URN formal namespace for the BBC thread-index: Acc/1dNuxyIia9zKQgiVDFO+1P78uQ== From: "Rissen, Paul" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 86f85b2f88b0d50615aed44a7f9e33c7 Cc: Ted Hardie Subject: Application for a URN formal namespace for the BBC X-BeenThere: urn-nid@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: discussion of new namespace identifiers for URNs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: urn-nid-bounces@apps.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C73FD5.D3C4C247 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Sir/Madam,=20 =20 I am writing on behalf of the British Broadcasting Corporation. 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