From nobody Thu Oct 15 09:37:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: uri-review@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: uri-review@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2833A08FF for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:37:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Scy9Thj9HEwv for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D87EF3A08EB for ; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oxusgaltgw11.schlund.de ([10.72.72.57]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lw2rD-1kNtAG0Nm1-017mC3; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 18:36:45 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Timothy Mcsweeney To: Barry Leiba , Carsten Bormann , "uri-review@ietf.org" , =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=C3=BCrst?= , "Henry S. Thompson" , "Daniel R. Tobias" Message-ID: <1405032752.10758.1602779803501@email.ionos.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1274574756.248916.1602686518898@email.ionos.com> <1411985880.134425.1602705672052@email.ionos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v7.10.3-Rev23 X-Originating-Client: open-xchange-appsuite X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5t1Ygd3abqjrgsrmQSwWIssstZpbDn73MjbsNXwIk77AtXrirli CGJ8mOJp4CQ/6wv5M65LUqyonm4tA0x//YF6LMO0nR0A96t0u8cM0uukW13VDjW9030sASk YDlxS6u96G5kw46hQOd6J2sxNwk3AqmavaIa0t34ak67gPSeIxxlAIIY/4V7fwK/cMSEfrZ EqX2X+nImoU6+nWfEq2UA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LAVjGAKpy+g=:26AlERG5KH4Kfezr7AzOS4 N/FiyJuKVYNfMyQbUcZnnjGX3SLNX3CUOAxYbHD9pzlVs50rEgr5jCdzBT7/IzGMLMff+RL4e vrDFaHOtVvioqX2pja1wS9jfssCqP8oaPP0M9LBDfCmJhbQDRRzvEnGepXt0yEGIhjG0rdjoP gCLZOP2DTCuRMYdfiAuTmuQQ7KlnlEVXhEo8V0hKzRi9eNjHm+guoQY1iDShXwuRqbo+5x7Zp PhhQS76VwUtnV5BUu73EWZ9gC3tyyVQAobld7YcPelkvt4+bY9S6JzjGsOs5jESXnIUipjkQY ya4yCHufvFxrJE2PY5fXKfHziUY/HjqXWSf2sSwvr0tvBMX+71gOEkLZNaexS/tInxEgX+Kpw EkIvlmzXcJTgO2dz4ZuIe7MCglxeKXCKoqaW9M5KxWw5W4Wo86L3uSynQGkwUxJ6g5y679+/U pPcT94xGbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Uri-review] AD sponsorship X-BeenThere: uri-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proposed URI Schemes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:37:05 -0000

Barry,

>Sometimes are specs are not clear on some points; we know that. This

>isn't one of those cases: the syntax of a URI is very clearly

>specified.

Why don't you do a tiny update for RFC3986 like Ted did for RFC3405 and make it abundantly clear that only the colon can be used for any URI? Or better yet, I will and you can sponsor it. That be ok with you?

Tim

I cc'd the people that I think would be agreeable to the idea to get some early traction.

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Tobias" References: <1274574756.248916.1602686518898@email.ionos.com> <1411985880.134425.1602705672052@email.ionos.com> <1405032752.10758.1602779803501@email.ionos.com> From: "Henry S. Thompson" Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 18:21:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1405032752.10758.1602779803501@email.ionos.com> (Timothy Mcsweeney's message of "Thu\, 15 Oct 2020 12\:36\:43 -0400 \(EDT\)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1012 (Gnus v5.10.12) XEmacs/21.5-b34 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at loire.is.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.84, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.84 on 129.215.16.10 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Uri-review] AD sponsorship X-BeenThere: uri-review@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Proposed URI Schemes List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 17:22:11 -0000 Timothy Mcsweeney writes: > Barry [wrote:] >> Sometimes are specs are not clear on some points; we know that. This >> isn't one of those cases: the syntax of a URI is very clearly >> specified. > Why don't you do a tiny update for RFC3986 like Ted did for RFC3405 and > make it abundantly clear that only the colon can be used for any URI? > Or better yet, I will and you can sponsor it. That be ok with you? > Tim > I cc'd the people that I think would be agreeable to the idea to get > some early traction. Count me out. 3986 as published leaves no room for doubt that the ABNF is normative, and the ABNF requires what is elsewhere called the "scheme delimiter", that is, ":". Two quotes from 3986 may help reinforce this point: "The URI syntax defines a grammar that is a superset of all valid URIs" "The complete URI syntax is collected in Appendix A." ht -- Henry S. 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Thompson wrote: > Timothy Mcsweeney writes: > >> Barry [wrote:] >>> Sometimes are specs are not clear on some points; we know that. This >>> isn't one of those cases: the syntax of a URI is very clearly >>> specified. > >> Why don't you do a tiny update for RFC3986 like Ted did for RFC3405 and >> make it abundantly clear that only the colon can be used for any URI? >> Or better yet, I will and you can sponsor it. That be ok with you? >> Tim >> I cc'd the people that I think would be agreeable to the idea to get >> some early traction. > > Count me out. 3986 as published leaves no room for doubt that the ABNF > is normative, and the ABNF requires what is elsewhere called the "scheme > delimiter", that is, ":". > > Two quotes from 3986 may help reinforce this point: > > "The URI syntax defines a grammar that is a superset of all > valid URIs" > > "The complete URI syntax is collected in Appendix A." Agreed, I see no reason to update RFC 3986 on this point. Peter