Hi, Mirja,=C2=A0

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 4:07 AM = Mirja Kuehlewind <ietf@kuehlewind= .net> wrote:

Hi all,

The minutes are online now:

https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/meeting/106/materials/minutes-106-tsvarea-00

If you were at the session, please check and let us know if there are any e= dits needed!

I'm always hard to sum= marize :-)=C2=A0

For

=C2=A0 Spencer Dawkins: I = wish I had explicitly asked for keepalives when I was AD. People don't = want to let us down by quitting.=C2=A0

I'd suggest=C2=A0

=C2=A0 Spencer Dawkins: I = wish I had explicitly asked for keepalives when I was AD, to periodically m= ake sure chairs are willing to continue to serve. People don't want to = let us down by quitting.

For=C2=A0

=C2=A0 Spencer: We had = ops/mgmt there because there was nowhere else to have it. Now there's a= WG for it, and they've already started arguing about measuring QUIC.= =C2=A0

I'd suggest=C2= =A0

=C2=A0 Spencer: We had= QUIC ops/mgmt considerations in the QUIC working group charter because the= re was nowhere else to put it. Now that Media Operations (MOPS) has been ch= artered, they're already talking about measuring troubleshooting QUIC f= rom an operator perspective in their first working group session. Maybe thi= s document should go into MOPS?

(And I understood Mark Nottingham to say my suggestion was "inte= resting", but I haven't gone back to Meetecho to verify that)

Best,=C2=A0

Spencer

--000000000000cf40190599dc961f-- From nobody Fri Dec 20 07:34:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tsv-area@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741DA120639 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:34:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2QqhvwpvMFP7 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8223::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAEE9120180 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 07:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from 200116b82cf138003cdb596f14795d4c.dip.versatel-1u1.de ([2001:16b8:2cf1:3800:3cdb:596f:1479:5d4c]); authenticated by wp513.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) id 1iiKIR-0007GQ-Lm; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:34:31 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: Minutes are online now! From: Mirja Kuehlewind In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:34:31 +0100 Cc: "tsv-area@ietf.org >> tsv-area@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <41F8720F-7FBA-41FD-B557-7F5A644A8DA8@kuehlewind.net> References: <97D39077-4937-42E5-8AD3-B07F939359E0@kuehlewind.net> To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;ietf@kuehlewind.net;1576856073;67858f56; X-HE-SMSGID: 1iiKIR-0007GQ-Lm Archived-At: X-BeenThere: tsv-area@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Transport and Services Area Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:34:35 -0000 Hi Spencer, Thanks for your review. I uploaded a new revision! Mirja > On 17. Dec 2019, at 02:52, Spencer Dawkins at IETF = wrote: >=20 > Hi, Mirja,=20 >=20 > On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 4:07 AM Mirja Kuehlewind = wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > The minutes are online now: >=20 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/minutes-106-tsvarea-00 >=20 > If you were at the session, please check and let us know if there are = any edits needed! >=20 > I'm always hard to summarize :-)=20 >=20 > For=20 >=20 > Spencer Dawkins: I wish I had explicitly asked for keepalives when I = was AD. People don't want to let us down by quitting.=20 >=20 > I'd suggest=20 >=20 > Spencer Dawkins: I wish I had explicitly asked for keepalives when I = was AD, to periodically make sure chairs are willing to continue to = serve. People don't want to let us down by quitting.=20 >=20 > For=20 >=20 > Spencer: We had ops/mgmt there because there was nowhere else to = have it. Now there's a WG for it, and they've already started arguing = about measuring QUIC.=20 >=20 > I'd suggest=20 >=20 > Spencer: We had QUIC ops/mgmt considerations in the QUIC working = group charter because there was nowhere else to put it. Now that Media = Operations (MOPS) has been chartered, they're already talking about = measuring troubleshooting QUIC from an operator perspective in their = first working group session. Maybe this document should go into MOPS? >=20 > (And I understood Mark Nottingham to say my suggestion was = "interesting", but I haven't gone back to Meetecho to verify that) >=20 > Best,=20 >=20 > Spencer >=20