Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from locon.mtnlake.com by one.eListX.com id aa17327; 31 Aug 98 08:50 EDT Received: from marchewka.cibcintranet.com (ppp130.mtnlake.com [207.61.173.130]) by mail.mtnlake.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28901 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bdd4df$110cf7e0$a529e79f@marchewka.cibcintranet.com> From: Andrew Marchewka To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at one.eListX.com Subject: Test ... Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:58:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDD4BD.82F147C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDD4BD.82F147C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please ignore this message ... I am just testing if I am on the list... Andrew __________________________________ Andrew Marchewka =20 Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce __________________________________ ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDD4BD.82F147C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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= ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BDD4BD.82F147C0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:58:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from hitiij.hitachi.co.jp by one.eListX.com id aa12846; 29 Aug 98 10:56 EDT Received: from iabsgw.iabs.hitachi.co.jp by hitiij.hitachi.co.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W-hitiij) id XAA21580; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:51:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from umajor.ssr.iabs.hitachi.co.jp by iabsgw.iabs.hitachi.co.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W-iabsgw) with ESMTP id XAA07310 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:58:20 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from kawatura@ssr.iabs.hitachi.co.jp) Received: from localhost by umajor.ssr.iabs.hitachi.co.jp (8.9.1/3.6W-ssr) id XAA01816; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:58:20 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199808291458.XAA01816@umajor.ssr.iabs.hitachi.co.jp> To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Cc: kawatura@iabs.hitachi.co.jp Subject: I have a comment for Spec. 5.4.1(Order Description) From: Yoshiaki KAWATSURA X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93pre1 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:58:19 +0900 (JST) X-Dispatcher: imput version 980824 Lines: 30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. I forward my comment for OTP Spec 0.99. David was agreed, but he suggested this mail is forwarded to trade-ML. -- Forward I have one comment for the OTP Specification 0.99. 5.4.1 Order Description Content "This description of the order in the Packaged Content should not include currency and amount information since this is ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ contained in the payment related trading components." I suggest the above description should be deleted. This restriction is too strong. The amount information in BrandList is machine readable but the amount information in Order Description may be used as human readability. (Of course, the amount information in BrandList can be used for human readability though.) Actually, SET allows to include the amount information in Order Description, s.t. SET allows to have the amount information twice, because the element PurchAmt also exists. -- Backward ---- Yoshiaki Kawatsura : E-mail kawatura@iabs.hitachi.co.jp Business & Information Systems Development Devision, Hitachi,Ltd. Voice: +81-45-948-1418(direct) Fax: +81-45-948-1421 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:52:40 +0100 Received: from [193.128.225.129] by one.eListX.com id ac09685; 29 Aug 98 00:52 EDT Received: from mondex1fd.mondex.com [193.128.225.129] (HELO localhost) by mondex1fd.mondex.com (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0110_35e7_8977_55ae; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:54:15 +0100 Message-Id: From: David Burdett To: "'ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com'" , 'Terry Allen' Subject: RE: [OTP] packaged content Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:52:40 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. As for your previous e-mail, I think this should be a change to the spec. Regards David Burdett >---------- >From: Terry Allen[SMTP:tallen@sonic.net] >Sent: 28 August 1998 17:14 >To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com >Subject: [OTP] packaged content > > >in section 2.9, for the PackagedContent element, there is >a Content attribute declared as NMTOKEN. as one of the possible >values is MIME:mimetype, where mimetype could be something like >text/plain - using a slash character that is not a NAME character >in XML - I think this attribute should be CDATA, not NMTOKEN. > >if the "namespaces" proposal is adopted by the W3C, "MIME:mimetype" >will imply use of a "namespace" called "MIME". I don't care for >"namespaces", but I don't this this would cause problems >provided users are aware of the implication. > >Regards, Terry > > >Terry Allen Veo Systems, Inc. >Business Language Designer 4005 Miranda Ave., no. 150 >(Common Business Language - CBL) Palo Alto, Calif., 94034 >terry.allen[at]veosystems.com http://www.veosystems.com/ > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com >Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ >To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the >body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mondex International Limited 47-53 Cannon Street, London EC4M 5SQ England Registered No: 3122085, England Telephone No: +44 (0)171 557 5000 Web Site: http://www.mondex.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:52:38 +0100 Received: from [193.128.225.129] by one.eListX.com id ab09685; 29 Aug 98 00:52 EDT Received: from mondex1fd.mondex.com [193.128.225.129] (HELO localhost) by mondex1fd.mondex.com (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0110_35e7_8974_55a3; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:54:12 +0100 Message-Id: From: David Burdett To: "'ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com'" , 'Terry Allen' Subject: RE: [OTP] Otp:Critical attribute Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:52:38 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. I agree with your changes. I also agree that it would be better defaulting to "True". I think this needs to be a change to version 0.99. I also note your comment about the resulting documents being only well formed. This needs to be reflected in the chapter 3 OTP Error Handling. A question I have is that I'm not sure under the IETF: * who should be looking after the change list, and * what the process is for agreeing changes to the spec. Regards David Burdett >---------- >From: Terry Allen[SMTP:tallen@sonic.net] >Sent: 28 August 1998 17:09 >To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com >Subject: [OTP] Otp:Critical attribute > > >section 2.7.1 provides for an Otp:Critical attribute to be declared >for any element added to the OTP DTD. it is declared as #IMPLIED. >would it not be better to make it #REQUIRED, or even better, >defaulted to "True"? > >note that the mechanism for extension proposed, XML "namespaces", >results in documents that are only well formed, not valid. > >Regards, Terry > > >Terry Allen Veo Systems, Inc. >Business Language Designer 4005 Miranda Ave., no. 150 >(Common Business Language - CBL) Palo Alto, Calif., 94034 >terry.allen[at]veosystems.com http://www.veosystems.com/ > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com >Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ >To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the >body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mondex International Limited 47-53 Cannon Street, London EC4M 5SQ England Registered No: 3122085, England Telephone No: +44 (0)171 557 5000 Web Site: http://www.mondex.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:52:37 +0100 Received: from [193.128.225.129] by one.eListX.com id aa09685; 29 Aug 98 00:52 EDT Received: from mondex1fd.mondex.com [193.128.225.129] (HELO localhost) by mondex1fd.mondex.com (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_0110_35e7_8971_559c; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:54:09 +0100 Message-Id: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: David Burdett To: 'Terry Allen' , 'IETF Trade' Subject: RE: [OTP] Dual Brand Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:52:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDD311.3A553790" Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDD311.3A553790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're correct that "dual brand" doesn't need to be reflected in the DTD since, as far as the merchant is concerned, each of the brands in a dual brand, e.g. "UC" and MasterCard, are treated as separate brands. However as far as the consumer is concerned, its not quite the same since you can imagine that they would have a database of payment instruments where the fact that one "card" is two brands at the same time may well be relevant. There is no specific mention how to handle this in OTP since the prime objective of OTP is to focus on the messages exchanged between the parties involved rather than the architecture of any solution residing at the consumer, merchant or elsewhere. In this way I think we stand a better chance of achieving effective interoperability. Regards David Burdett ---------- From: Terry Allen[SMTP:terry.allen@veosystems.com] Sent: 28 August 1998 00:14 To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: [OTP] Dual Brand OTP v 0.9.9, section 2.6.4, defines "dual brand", and rather well too, I think. Am I correct in thinking that this concept is not reflected in the DTD (because it doesn't need to be)? Regards, Terry Allen Terry Allen VEO Systems Inc. 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Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marine.sonic.net by one.eListX.com id aa06985; 28 Aug 98 12:12 EDT Received: (qmail 22252 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 16:15:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sub.sonic.net) (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 16:15:28 -0000 Received: from bolt.sonic.net (tallen@bolt [208.201.224.36]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17275 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:14:28 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: (from tallen@localhost) by bolt.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id JAA20590 for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:14:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:14:45 -0700 From: Terry Allen Message-Id: <199808281614.JAA20590@bolt.sonic.net> To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: [OTP] packaged content Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. in section 2.9, for the PackagedContent element, there is a Content attribute declared as NMTOKEN. as one of the possible values is MIME:mimetype, where mimetype could be something like text/plain - using a slash character that is not a NAME character in XML - I think this attribute should be CDATA, not NMTOKEN. if the "namespaces" proposal is adopted by the W3C, "MIME:mimetype" will imply use of a "namespace" called "MIME". I don't care for "namespaces", but I don't this this would cause problems provided users are aware of the implication. Regards, Terry Terry Allen Veo Systems, Inc. Business Language Designer 4005 Miranda Ave., no. 150 (Common Business Language - CBL) Palo Alto, Calif., 94034 terry.allen[at]veosystems.com http://www.veosystems.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marine.sonic.net by one.eListX.com id aa06878; 28 Aug 98 12:08 EDT Received: (qmail 22106 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1998 16:10:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sub.sonic.net) (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 1998 16:10:37 -0000 Received: from bolt.sonic.net (tallen@bolt [208.201.224.36]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15977 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:09:38 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: (from tallen@localhost) by bolt.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id JAA20443 for ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:09:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:09:54 -0700 From: Terry Allen Message-Id: <199808281609.JAA20443@bolt.sonic.net> To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: [OTP] Otp:Critical attribute Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. section 2.7.1 provides for an Otp:Critical attribute to be declared for any element added to the OTP DTD. it is declared as #IMPLIED. would it not be better to make it #REQUIRED, or even better, defaulted to "True"? note that the mechanism for extension proposed, XML "namespaces", results in documents that are only well formed, not valid. Regards, Terry Terry Allen Veo Systems, Inc. Business Language Designer 4005 Miranda Ave., no. 150 (Common Business Language - CBL) Palo Alto, Calif., 94034 terry.allen[at]veosystems.com http://www.veosystems.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.245.52.5] by one.eListX.com id aa02720; 28 Aug 98 01:49 EDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA05093; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808280549.BAA05093@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-Warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Patrik Faltstrom , Keith Moore cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com, ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: Brief summary of TRADE WG meeting Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:49:59 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" X-Mts: smtp Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. This is the required brief summary of the TRADE Working Group (WG) meeting at the 42nd IETF meeting in Chicago. The meeting ran about an hour and 42 people signed the attendance list. Most of the dicsussion concerned the status and direction of the WG and the Open Trading Protocol (OTP) consortium. There was a clear consensus among those present that the previously scheduled OTP meeting in September (hosted by CyberCash in Reston, Virginia) and November (hosted by Hitachi in Japan) meetings would be WG meetings, which, of course, guarantees that they are open and their minutes published on the WG mailing list. They will also be announced on the IETF announce list. In addition, there was agreement that the engineering archives on the OTP consortium mailing list back through January would be posted to the ietf-trade archives so they would be publickly accessible. More complete minutes will be posted shortly. Thanks, Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1 978-287-4877 dee3@torque.pothole.com 318 Acton Street +1 978-371-7148(fax) dee3@us.ibm.com Carlisle, MA 01741 USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from davinci.veosystems.com by one.eListX.com id aa28155; 27 Aug 98 19:10 EDT Received: (qmail 20643 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 23:12:02 -0000 Received: from cerberus-dmz.veosystems.com (HELO veosystems.com) (205.158.138.193) by mail.veosystems.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 23:12:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 17835 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1998 23:12:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO zubaydah) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Aug 1998 23:12:01 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980827161435.0069c1a4@localhost> X-Sender: terry@localhost (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:14:38 -0700 To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com From: Terry Allen Subject: [OTP] Dual Brand Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. OTP v 0.9.9, section 2.6.4, defines "dual brand", and rather well too, I think. Am I correct in thinking that this concept is not reflected in the DTD (because it doesn't need to be)? Regards, Terry Allen Terry Allen VEO Systems Inc. Business Language Designer 4005 Miranda Ave., no. 150 terry.allen@veosystems.com Palo Alto, 94304 http://www.veosystems.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:38:32 +0100 Received: from [193.128.225.129] by one.eListX.com id aa06434; 19 Aug 98 11:39 EDT Received: from mondex1fd.mondex.com [193.128.225.129] (HELO localhost) by mondex1fd.mondex.com (AltaVista Mail V1.0/1.0 BL18 listener) id 0000_00cf_35da_f1c3_1d8f; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:39:47 +0100 Message-Id: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: David Burdett To: 'IETF Trade' Cc: 'Otp Dev' Subject: OTP Specification v 0.9.9 available Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:38:32 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDCB8F.CE16BB40" Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDCB8F.CE16BB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Open Trading Protocol Consortium have been working on a revised OTP specification which is available for download from the "Public Area" of the OTP web site at http:\\www.otp.org as an Adobe Acrobat (version 3.0) PDF file. This specification is a development of version 0.9 of the specification which was published on the OTP web site last January. Compared with that specification it contains additional or changed material primarily in the areas of: * additional OTP Transactions to support: * a Transaction Status Inquiry * a "Ping" Transaction, and * Payment Instrument Customer Care Transaction * an OTP Error Handling and Messages chapter * a Security Considerations chapter * separation of the Data Type Definitions of the XML encodings for digital signatures and certificates into a separate document since they are potentially generally applicable to XML and not just OTP * support for currency selection as part of selecting a Payment Brand * a standardised way of encapsulating non-OTP data within OTP using "Packages" * a separate XML Data Type Definition for OTP. There are also several related documents available which are under development and should be available shortly. These include: * a document that describes a Data Type Defintion of digital signatures and certificates for use with OTP or other XML documents * an OTP architecture document which defines an architecture and APIs which implementers of OTP may want to use in developing OTP solutions * mapping of how to transport OTP messages over HTTP * payment supplements which define how various public and proprietary payment protocols can be encpasulated by OTP. These include: * SET * Secure Channel Credit Debit (SCCD) which describes how OTP can be used to make credit (or debit) payments relying on a secure channel such as SSL * a number of electronic cash payment methods This version is being released as "0.9.9" rather than "1.0" for a number of reasons: * there is a need to make available an updated version of the OTP specification in time for the IETF meeting in Chicago on 26th August * an implementation of OTP based on version 0.9 of the OTP specification has been developed by the Royal Bank of Canada. As a result of this implementation RBC are developing a "Post Development Review" document which describes the lessons learned from their development effort. There will be valuable lessons which can be applied to the specification from this document but it will not be available in time to make changes for the 26th August meeting. * there have been some discussions about how OTP should identify where, when and how digital signatues should be used within OTP. The choice has been between: * a prescriptive approach (currently in the spec) which is probably simpler to implement but where there is little or no opportunity for variation, or * a flexible approach where the Merchant specifies the signatures required and the Payment Handler and Delivery Handler just follow his instructions - which is likely to be harder to implement * the OTP Consortium feel it is important that the Trade working group have an opportunity to comment. As described in previous e-mails to Trade by Don Eastlake there is a meeting at CyberCash in Reston, Viginia, in early September. I would suggest that we discuss the content of version 1.0 of the specification at that meeting with a view to finalising version 1.0 shortly after. If you have any questions please get in touch. Regards David Burdett Development Director Mondex International Limited mailto: US Advanced Technology Office: 111 Pine St, 6th Floor, San Francisco, CA 94111 Tel/Voicemail: +1 415 645 6973 Fax: +1 415 956 9370 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mondex International Limited 47-53 Cannon Street, London EC4M 5SQ England Registered No: 3122085, England Telephone No: +44 (0)171 557 5000 Web Site: http://www.mondex.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDCB8F.CE16BB40 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiIPAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQWAAwAOAAAAzgcIABMAEAAmACAAAwBJAQEggAMADgAAAM4HCAAT ABAAJgAgAAMASQEBCYABACEAAAAyQTJBMDg0NUJCQ0FCRDExQUIxOTc2MDQwQ0I4MkY0NAAyBwEN gAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBIABACQAAABPVFAgU3BlY2lmaWNhdGlvbiB2IDAuOS45IGF2YWlsYWJsZQDJ CwEDkAYAmA0AABkAAABAADkAoM+Ua4fLvQEeAHAAAQAAACQAAABPVFAgU3BlY2lmaWNhdGlvbiB2 IDAuOS45IGF2YWlsYWJsZQACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABvcq78GvkbxqBNrYR0qCwREVTVAAAAAADAAYQ 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[209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nix.swip.net by one.eListX.com id aa06319; 19 Aug 98 11:09 EDT Received: from [209.47.134.65] (nix.swip.net [192.71.220.2]) by nix.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05340; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:07:20 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: paf@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001bdcb7b$cc6f3ce0$0100000a@mypc> References: Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:55:18 -0400 To: Brain , 'Tom Arnold' , "'Donald E. Eastlake 3rd'" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at one.eListX.com From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Subject: RE: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at one.eListX.com Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. At 00.26 -0400 98-08-19, Brain wrote: >This response still does not address the concerns raised by several >individuals on this list: >1. Where is the discussion taking place? We don't see any on this listserv. >2. If they are going to schedule WG meetings at the IETF and then cancel >them at the last minute, how serious are these individuals about getting >IETF involvement? It is only my responsibility as an AD to see that the requirements I listed are fulfilled, and that concerns that you list are resolved by the working group and as I see it, resolved by the WG chair. I suggest to the WG Chair that he should bring this up as one of the first points on the agenda on the meeting in Chicago next week, to minimize the risk of misunderstanding. Patrik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net by one.eListX.com id aa06134; 19 Aug 98 10:09 EDT Received: from mypc (n01h1181.ex-pressnet.com [24.239.1.181]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA20504; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brain To: =?iso-8859-1?B?J1BhdHJpayBG5Gx0c3Ry9m0n?= , 'Tom Arnold' , "'Donald E. Eastlake 3rd'" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at one.eListX.com Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at one.eListX.com Subject: RE: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:26:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdcb7b$cc6f3ce0$0100000a@mypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "Brain" In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by pop01.globecomm.net id KAA20504 Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. This response still does not address the concerns raised by several individuals on this list: 1. Where is the discussion taking place? We don't see any on this listse= rv. 2. If they are going to schedule WG meetings at the IETF and then cancel them at the last minute, how serious are these individuals about getting IETF involvement? These are concerns which I share. Since I am not currently working on developing any software which depends on this spec, I have remained silen= t, however, if something is to come out of an IETF WG, the group must have discussions, both at IETF meetings, and also on the list. Regards, John DesJardins Consulting Engineer,Extraprise Group -----Original Message----- From: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com [mailto:ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com]On Behalf Of Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6= m Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 3:14 PM To: Tom Arnold; Donald E. Eastlake 3rd; ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com Subject: Re: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th At 10.06 -0700 98-08-17, Tom Arnold wrote: >I have a concern that the protocol has already been implemented through = the >OTP Consortium outside of IETF and now the WG session is moving into tha= t >forum. Is the intent to generate a usable public standard or just get th= e >rubber stamp of the IETF? I thought the objective was to expand the focu= s >and scope from a specific industry group to the broader context of the >IETF. Am I incorrect? This was up for discussion in the IESG before the wg was approved. The IESG does not accept "rubberstamping" as argument for work in the IET= F, so that is not what will happen -- is the short respons. The intention was that the OTP protocol version 2 should be developed in the IETF, using the version 1 which was created outside of the IETF as input, aswell as experience from use and deployment of that first version. I.e. it is version 2 of the protocol which is the goal of the IETF proces= s. Patrik Faltstrom Area Director Applications Area ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.microsoft.com by one.eListX.com id aa04986; 19 Aug 98 01:23 EDT Received: by mail3.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:24:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ian King To: 'Tom Arnold' , Patrik Fltstrm , "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com Subject: RE: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:24:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Tom, I'm glad you asked your original question, because I've not received an answer to a question I asked: why is this mailing list so dead? The primary forum for IETF activity is the mailing list, but I've seen precious little activity on this one. I posted a message the other day asking if maybe I was on the wrong list. :-) If all the action on this is going to take place at meetings that are out-of-band from normal IETF activity (the mailing list primarily), is this really being managed within the IETF process? Anyone? > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Arnold [SMTP:toma@cybersource.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 2:11 PM > To: Patrik Fltstrm; Donald E. Eastlake 3rd; > ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com > Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com > Subject: Re: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th > > Okay. Thanks for the clairfication on IESG policy. I'm very glad to hear > that and I'm sure that it will result in a more robust protocol. My > original question still stands. Will there be a IOTP working group meeting > in Chicago? > > At 03:13 PM 8/18/98 -0400, Patrik Fltstrm wrote: > >At 10.06 -0700 98-08-17, Tom Arnold wrote: > >>I have a concern that the protocol has already been implemented through > the > >>OTP Consortium outside of IETF and now the WG session is moving into > that > >>forum. Is the intent to generate a usable public standard or just get > the > >>rubber stamp of the IETF? I thought the objective was to expand the > focus > >>and scope from a specific industry group to the broader context of the > >>IETF. Am I incorrect? > > > >This was up for discussion in the IESG before the wg was approved. > > > >The IESG does not accept "rubberstamping" as argument for work in the > IETF, > >so that is not what will happen -- is the short respons. > > > >The intention was that the OTP protocol version 2 should be developed in > >the IETF, using the version 1 which was created outside of the IETF as > >input, aswell as experience from use and deployment of that first > version. > > > >I.e. it is version 2 of the protocol which is the goal of the IETF > process. > > > > Patrik Faltstrom > > Area Director > > Applications Area > > > > > > > Tom Arnold > VP of Engineering > CyberSource Corporation > toma@cybersource.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com > Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ > To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the > body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nix.swip.net by one.eListX.com id aa02860; 18 Aug 98 18:06 EDT Received: from [192.197.208.249] (nix.swip.net [192.71.220.2]) by nix.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15810; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:07:09 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: paf@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980818141126.00849570@pop3.cybersource.com> References: <3.0.5.32.19980817100624.00842d90@pop3.cybersource.com> <199808162107.RAA29843@torque.pothole.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:54:04 -0400 To: Tom Arnold , "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Subject: Re: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. At 14.11 -0700 98-08-18, Tom Arnold wrote: >Will there be a IOTP working group meeting >in Chicago? Yes, on: WEDNESDAY, August 26, 1998 0900-1130 Morning Sessions APP trade Internet Open Trading Protocol WG Patrik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nix.swip.net by one.eListX.com id aa02458; 18 Aug 98 16:01 EDT Received: from [192.197.208.249] (nix.swip.net [192.71.220.2]) by nix.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA12889; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:57:14 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: paf@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980817100624.00842d90@pop3.cybersource.com> References: <199808162107.RAA29843@torque.pothole.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:13:57 -0400 To: Tom Arnold , "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com From: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Subject: Re: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. At 10.06 -0700 98-08-17, Tom Arnold wrote: >I have a concern that the protocol has already been implemented through the >OTP Consortium outside of IETF and now the WG session is moving into that >forum. Is the intent to generate a usable public standard or just get the >rubber stamp of the IETF? I thought the objective was to expand the focus >and scope from a specific industry group to the broader context of the >IETF. Am I incorrect? This was up for discussion in the IESG before the wg was approved. The IESG does not accept "rubberstamping" as argument for work in the IETF, so that is not what will happen -- is the short respons. The intention was that the OTP protocol version 2 should be developed in the IETF, using the version 1 which was created outside of the IETF as input, aswell as experience from use and deployment of that first version. I.e. it is version 2 of the protocol which is the goal of the IETF process. Patrik Faltstrom Area Director Applications Area ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blitz-ext.cybersource.com by one.eListX.com id aa02733; 18 Aug 98 17:30 EDT Received: from enterprise (201.untrusted.cybersource.com [10.2.2.201]) by blitz.cybersource.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA18522; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980818141126.00849570@pop3.cybersource.com> X-Sender: dptom@pop3.cybersource.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:11:26 -0700 To: Patrik =?iso-8859-1?Q?F=E4ltstr=F6m?= , "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com From: Tom Arnold Subject: Re: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19980817100624.00842d90@pop3.cybersource.com> <199808162107.RAA29843@torque.pothole.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Okay. Thanks for the clairfication on IESG policy. I'm very glad to hear that and I'm sure that it will result in a more robust protocol. My original question still stands. Will there be a IOTP working group meeting in Chicago? At 03:13 PM 8/18/98 -0400, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: >At 10.06 -0700 98-08-17, Tom Arnold wrote: >>I have a concern that the protocol has already been implemented through= the >>OTP Consortium outside of IETF and now the WG session is moving into that >>forum. Is the intent to generate a usable public standard or just get the >>rubber stamp of the IETF? I thought the objective was to expand the focus >>and scope from a specific industry group to the broader context of the >>IETF. Am I incorrect? > >This was up for discussion in the IESG before the wg was approved. > >The IESG does not accept "rubberstamping" as argument for work in the IETF, >so that is not what will happen -- is the short respons. > >The intention was that the OTP protocol version 2 should be developed in >the IETF, using the version 1 which was created outside of the IETF as >input, aswell as experience from use and deployment of that first version. > >I.e. it is version 2 of the protocol which is the goal of the IETF process. > > Patrik Faltstrom > Area Director > Applications Area > > Tom Arnold VP of Engineering CyberSource Corporation toma@cybersource.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blitz-ext.cybersource.com by one.eListX.com id aa25216; 17 Aug 98 13:25 EDT Received: from enterprise (206.untrusted.cybersource.com [10.2.2.206]) by blitz.cybersource.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11724; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980817100624.00842d90@pop3.cybersource.com> X-Sender: dptom@pop3.cybersource.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:06:24 -0700 To: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com From: Tom Arnold Subject: Re: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com In-Reply-To: <199808162107.RAA29843@torque.pothole.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. This is a bit of a late notice considering that I planned and have already book travel to attent the meeting in Chicago. I have a concern that the protocol has already been implemented through the OTP Consortium outside of IETF and now the WG session is moving into that forum. Is the intent to generate a usable public standard or just get the rubber stamp of the IETF? I thought the objective was to expand the focus and scope from a specific industry group to the broader context of the IETF. Am I incorrect? At 05:07 PM 8/16/98 -0400, Donald E. Eastlake 3rd wrote: > >As previously announced on this list, there has been an OTP meeting >scheduled for some time to be held at CyberCash, Inc., in Reston, >Virginia in September. Unless there is substantial objection, this >will be a meeting of the TRADE Working Group. > [snip] > Tom Arnold VP of Engineering CyberSource Corporation toma@cybersource.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.microsoft.com by one.eListX.com id aa25065; 17 Aug 98 12:54 EDT Received: by INET-IMC-05 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ian King To: "'Donald E. Eastlake 3rd'" , ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: RE: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:55:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Am I on the wrong mailing list? I've seen almost no activity on this list, but apparently the protocol (and the work of this Working Group) is moving forward, at these meetings which are separate from IETF activities. I've got to wonder if I'm just subscribed to the wrong listserv.... :-) Sacred cows make the best hamburger. - Mark Twain ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian King, Test Lead Electronic Bill Presentment & Payment MICROSOFT CORPORATION -----Original Message----- From: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd [mailto:dee3@torque.pothole.com] Sent: Sunday, August 16, 1998 2:08 PM To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com Subject: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th As previously announced on this list, there has been an OTP meeting scheduled for some time to be held at CyberCash, Inc., in Reston, Virginia in September. Unless there is substantial objection, this will be a meeting of the TRADE Working Group. Most likely, the first day will consist of break out sessions on tunneling particular payment protocols, such as SET, through OTP, and the second and third day will consider general OTP protocol matters. Please RSVP to Brian Boesch (boesch@cybercash.com), or whoever he designates, and cc me so we will know how large a meeting it will. Donald PS: I may be out of email contact for the next three days... Message-ID: <01BDC141.36533660@sfabes.ix.netcom.com> From: Steve Fabes Subject: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:50:45 -0700 The September meeting will be held in Reston Virginia at the CyberCash offices. The agenda is in process and will be subject to revision following the IETF meeting in Chicago - August 24-26. Start time is 8:30 coffee 9:00 meeting, noon lunch, daily wrap 5:30, (4pm on the 11th - try to stay) Dress is casual. The Washington Dulles airport is closest but do not overlook Baltimore (seriously) These are the hotels you would start with Hyatt - Reston 703-709-1234 (Brain Boesch rates this highly - 5 min to CC) Sheraton - Reston 703-620-9000 (3 min to CC) Hilton - Dulles 703-478-2900 (15 min to CC) Hyatt - Dulles 703-713-1234 (15 min to CC) Marriott - Dulles 703-471-9500 (15 min to CC) Marriott Suites Worldgate 703-709-0400 (15 min to CC) Summerfield Suites - Dulles 703-713-6800 (15 min to CC) Oakland Hilton 510-635-5000 (20 min to CC) Oakland Marriott 510-451-4000 (20 min to CC) Taxi Yellow Cab 703-534-1111 Red Top 703-934-4444 (Check your hotel for shuttle buses) CyberCash is: 2100 Reston Pkwy Reston, Va 22091 (703)620-4200 Go to third floor reception. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.245.52.5] by one.eListX.com id aa18799; 16 Aug 98 17:07 EDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA29843; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808162107.RAA29843@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-Warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com Subject: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:07:46 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" X-Mts: smtp Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. As previously announced on this list, there has been an OTP meeting scheduled for some time to be held at CyberCash, Inc., in Reston, Virginia in September. Unless there is substantial objection, this will be a meeting of the TRADE Working Group. Most likely, the first day will consist of break out sessions on tunneling particular payment protocols, such as SET, through OTP, and the second and third day will consider general OTP protocol matters. Please RSVP to Brian Boesch (boesch@cybercash.com), or whoever he designates, and cc me so we will know how large a meeting it will. Donald PS: I may be out of email contact for the next three days... Message-ID: <01BDC141.36533660@sfabes.ix.netcom.com> From: Steve Fabes Subject: OTP Meeting September 9th thru 11th Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:50:45 -0700 The September meeting will be held in Reston Virginia at the CyberCash offices. The agenda is in process and will be subject to revision following the IETF meeting in Chicago - August 24-26. Start time is 8:30 coffee 9:00 meeting, noon lunch, daily wrap 5:30, (4pm on the 11th - try to stay) Dress is casual. The Washington Dulles airport is closest but do not overlook Baltimore (seriously) These are the hotels you would start with Hyatt - Reston 703-709-1234 (Brain Boesch rates this highly - 5 min to CC) Sheraton - Reston 703-620-9000 (3 min to CC) Hilton - Dulles 703-478-2900 (15 min to CC) Hyatt - Dulles 703-713-1234 (15 min to CC) Marriott - Dulles 703-471-9500 (15 min to CC) Marriott Suites Worldgate 703-709-0400 (15 min to CC) Summerfield Suites - Dulles 703-713-6800 (15 min to CC) Oakland Hilton 510-635-5000 (20 min to CC) Oakland Marriott 510-451-4000 (20 min to CC) Taxi Yellow Cab 703-534-1111 Red Top 703-934-4444 (Check your hotel for shuttle buses) CyberCash is: 2100 Reston Pkwy Reston, Va 22091 (703)620-4200 Go to third floor reception. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.245.52.5] by one.eListX.com id aa18737; 16 Aug 98 16:45 EDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29639; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808162046.QAA29639@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-Warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tom Arnold cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: Re: Implementation of OTP 0.9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:37:21 PDT." <3.0.5.32.19980814103721.00818670@pop3.cybersource.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:46:16 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" X-Mts: smtp Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. OTP version 0.9 is a product of the OTP consortium and has benn publicly available at the www.otp.org web site for some time. It will not be sumbitted to the IETF but, as I believe is described in the working group charter, version 1.0 is intended to be issued as an OTP document and and Informational RFC. It is expected that an updated verion will be posted next week but it is likely to be 0.9.9 or the like. Some slow down was caused by the principle author (David Burdett) relocating from the UK to the San Francisco area and there are still some questions to be nail down with regard a couple of areas including signatures. Thanks, Donald From: Tom Arnold Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980814103721.00818670@pop3.cybersource.com> X-Sender: dptom@pop3.cybersource.com Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:37:21 -0700 To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com >> [snip] >> >>The Royal Bank of Canada is implementing OTP 0.9 as announced at >>. >> > >This is interesting news. Can we get a copy of the specification that was >used in this implementation and will be submitted to IETF? > > >Tom Arnold >VP of Engineering >CyberSource Corporation >toma@cybersource.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blitz-ext.cybersource.com by one.eListX.com id aa08542; 14 Aug 98 13:56 EDT Received: from enterprise (201.untrusted.cybersource.com [10.2.2.201]) by blitz.cybersource.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA11988 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980814103721.00818670@pop3.cybersource.com> X-Sender: dptom@pop3.cybersource.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:37:21 -0700 To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com From: Tom Arnold Subject: Implementation of OTP 0.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. > [snip] > >The Royal Bank of Canada is implementing OTP 0.9 as announced at >. > This is interesting news. Can we get a copy of the specification that was used in this implementation and will be submitted to IETF? Tom Arnold VP of Engineering CyberSource Corporation toma@cybersource.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.245.52.5] by one.eListX.com id aa14119; 11 Aug 98 22:58 EDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA20731; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808120258.WAA20731@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-Warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tom Arnold cc: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Subject: Re: Status on any draft In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:35:55 PDT." <3.0.5.32.19980811123555.008a68c0@pop3.cybersource.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:58:44 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" X-Mts: smtp Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. It is expected that there will be an updated OTP draft posted on the otp.org web site in time for some discussion of it to occur in Chicago. The WG's charter exists at although discussion of possible changes could be held, I doubt that would be very productive. I'm working on an agenda and would welcome suggestions. Thanks, Donald From: Tom Arnold Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980811123555.008a68c0@pop3.cybersource.com> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:35:55 -0700 To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com >Is there a draft IOTP document that will be presented at the Chicago >meeting or will this session be to discuss the WG's charter? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blitz-ext.cybersource.com by one.eListX.com id aa11883; 11 Aug 98 15:54 EDT Received: from enterprise (10.2.6.47.cybersource.com [10.2.6.47]) by blitz.cybersource.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07246 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980811123555.008a68c0@pop3.cybersource.com> X-Sender: dptom@pop3.cybersource.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:35:55 -0700 To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com From: Tom Arnold Subject: Status on any draft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Is there a draft IOTP document that will be presented at the Chicago meeting or will this session be to discuss the WG's charter? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com Delivery-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:13:20 -0400 Return-Path: ietf-trade-owner@one.eListX.com Received: from one.eListX.com (one.elistx.com [209.116.252.130]) by ietf.org (8.8.5/8.8.7a) with SMTP id AAA07957 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.245.52.5] by one.eListX.com id aa27538; 13 Aug 98 12:19 EDT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by torque.pothole.com (8.8.2/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA25039; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808131619.MAA25039@torque.pothole.com> X-Authentication-Warning: torque.pothole.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: ietf-trade@lists.eListX.com cc: dee3@torque.pothole.com Subject: Implementation of OTP 0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:19:24 -0400 From: "Donald E. Eastlake 3rd" X-Mts: smtp Sender: ietf-trade-owner@lists.eListX.com Precedence: bulk X-elistx: ietf-trade Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. The Royal Bank of Canada is implementing OTP 0.9 as announced at . Thanks, Donald ===================================================================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1 978-287-4877 dee3@torque.pothole.com 318 Acton Street +1 978-371-7148(fax) Carlisle, MA 01741 USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message addressed to: ietf-trade@lists.elistx.com Archive available at: http://www.elistx.com/archives/ietf-trade/ To (un)subscribe send a message with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the body to: ietf-trade-request@lists.elistx.com