From nobody Tue Feb 1 00:51:12 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A303A1D4C for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 00:51:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdtCdvUuzOmT for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 00:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DF2E3A1D46 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 00:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from fraeml715-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.207]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4JnzCr3CMFz67nNb for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:50:32 +0800 (CST) Received: from fraeml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.34) by fraeml715-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.34) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2308.21; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:51:04 +0100 Received: from fraeml715-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.34]) by fraeml715-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.206.15.34]) with mapi id 15.01.2308.021; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 09:51:04 +0100 From: Italo Busi To: "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Today's ACTN POI call has been cancelled Thread-Index: AdgXSLPFK9dCWA/RTzWKE6ZBEFBKLQ== Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 08:51:03 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: it-IT, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.81.208.231] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_f005c13bcfc343bb81637e2ba502eb36huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Today's ACTN POI call has been cancelled X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 08:51:10 -0000 --_000_f005c13bcfc343bb81637e2ba502eb36huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, the ACTN POI call planned for today has been cancelled The next ACTN POI weekly call is planned on February 8 at 11am NAEST (slot = 2) Italo (on behalf of co-authors) --_000_f005c13bcfc343bb81637e2ba502eb36huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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--_000_f005c13bcfc343bb81637e2ba502eb36huaweicom_-- From nobody Tue Feb 1 04:00:10 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C397B3A2370; Tue, 1 Feb 2022 03:59:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dan Romascanu via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org, dromasca@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.44.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164371679974.9237.1674072571446722747@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Dan Romascanu Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 03:59:59 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-10 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:00:00 -0000 Reviewer: Dan Romascanu Review result: Not Ready This document updates RFC 4872 and RFC 4873 to provide the extensions to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to support the control of the Shared Mesh Protection (SMP) mechanism defined by ITU-T Recommendation G.808.3. It describes in details the operation of SMP with GMPLS Signaling Extension, the GMPLS Signaling Extension for SMP, and the updates to PROTECTION Object. I believe that the document is useful for operators runing GMPLS and SMP. The signaling aspects seem to be well defined. However, the document misses completly any operational and manageability considerations. Are they covered by other documents? Are updates required for any GMPLS management RFCs? Are there any configuration or alarms aspects that the operators should be aware about? What is the operational impact of upgrading networks to run SMP? These are parts of the questions I would expect to be addressed, or at least some pointers provided to existing documents (IETF, ITU-T) or future work. I would suggest that these issues be addressed before the document is approved for publication. From nobody Wed Feb 2 19:10:20 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75C63A1607; Wed, 2 Feb 2022 19:10:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dale Worley via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.44.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164385780676.18015.150330185145734882@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Dale Worley Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 19:10:06 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-10 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 03:10:07 -0000 Reviewer: Dale Worley Review result: Ready with Nits I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-10 Reviewer: Dale R. Worley Review Date: 2020-02-02 IETF LC End Date: 2020-02-03 IESG Telechat date: not known Summary: This draft is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be fixed before publication. Minor technical issue: These end nodes, in case of a failure of the working LSP, MUST avoid trying to switch the traffic to these protection LSPs that have been configured to use the shared resources and try switching the traffic to other protection LSPs, if available. It seems like this behavior is guaranteed without this specific requirement: The node that detects the resource failure will signal "Shared resources unavailable" to the end nodes of any lower-priority LSPs that use the failed resources. Thus, the end nodes will not try to switch the traffic of the working LSP to any of "these LSPs" (lower-priority LSPs). And consequently, they will try to switch the traffic to other protection LSPs. Indeed, it seems like the intermediate node should signal "Shared resources unavailable" to the end nodes of all protecting LSPs that use the failed resource, regardless of the LSPs' priorities -- all of them are non-functional. I suspect there is some complexity here that I do not understand. It may be worth describing that more explicitly. Nits/editorial comments: 1. Introduction The recovery resources for the protecting LSPs are pre-reserved during the provisioning phase, and explicit restoration signaling is required to activate (i.e., commit resource allocation at the data plane) a specific protecting LSP instantiated during the provisioning phase. At first, I misunderstood this to have the final "during the provisioning phase" modify "explicit restoration signaling is required". After re-reading it, I think that cannot be grammatically correct, and "during the provisioning phase" is part of "instantiated during the provisioning phase". But my confusion could have been avoided if the text was amended to "... a specific protecting LSP *that* was instantiated during the provisioning phase." o updates the definition of the 16-bit Reserved field [RFC4873] of the PROTECTION object to take the new SMP type into account (see Section 6.3). At first sight, this doesn't make sense -- how does adding SMP change how the bits of an unused field are used? The concept is that SMP signaling *uses* that field. So it would be clearer to say e.g. o updates the definition of the 16-bit Reserved field [RFC4873] of the PROTECTION object to allocate 8 bits to signal the SMP preemption priority (see Section 6.3). 2. Conventions Used in This Document In addition, the reader is assumed to be familiar with the terminology used in [RFC4872], RFC 4426 [RFC4426], and RFC 6372 [RFC6372]. presumably for consistency you want to say In addition, the reader is assumed to be familiar with the terminology used in RFC 4872 [RFC4872], RFC 4426 [RFC4426], and RFC 6372 [RFC6372]. Although there seems to be a style question, as the forms "RFC xyzw [RFCxyzw]" and "[RFCxyzw]" (both as nouns) are both used frequently in this document. Resolving this is probably something the Editor can handle best. 3. SMP Definition Pre-configuring but not activating a protecting LSP allows the common link and node resources in the protecting LSP to be shared by multiple working LSPs that are physically (i.e., link, node, Shared Risk Link Group (SRLG), etc.) disjoint. If I understand this correctly, the point is that multiple working LSPs may have protecting LSPs that are not disjoint, on the assumption that only one of the protecting LSPs will be active at a time. But this wording doesn't seem to mean that to me. Perhaps: Pre-configuring but not activating protecting LSPs allows link and node resources to be shared by the protecting LSPs of multiple working LSPs (that are physically (i.e., link, node, Shared Risk Link Group (SRLG), etc.) disjoint and thus unlikely to fail simultaneously). Perhaps that could be simplified to: Pre-configuring but not activating protecting LSPs allows link and node resources to be shared by the protecting LSPs of multiple working LSPs (that are themselves disjoint and thus unlikely to fail simultaneously). 4. Operation of SMP with GMPLS Signaling Extension At the end of section 4, it seems desirable to further describe the processing which it seems to me must happen: If F fails to allocate the protection resource, it sends a failure message to E, which causes E to remove the protection allocation, and then send a failure message to A. And so on for further nodes in the LSP. 5. GMPLS Signaling Extension for SMP The following subsections detail how LSPs using SMP can be signaled in an interoperable fashion using GMPLS RSVP-TE extensions (see RFC 3473 [RFC3473]). This includes: As the first sentence is constructed, the "This" in the second sentence doesn't have a clear referent. The most plausible referent is the GMPLS RSVP-TE extensions, but those do not "include" point (5) in the following link, since the extensions aren't directly involved in activation. I think the sense would be improved if "This includes" was replaced by "This signaling [or method] system enables". 5.1. Identifiers The LSP ID, however, MUST be different to distinguish between the protected LSP carrying normal traffic and the secondary LSP. You probably want to omit "carrying normal traffic" as it's not clear what "normal" traffic is from the preceding text in the document. It seems that it could only mean "traffic being carried by a protected LSP", and in that case it's redundant. Although perhaps "normal traffic" is a known term. 5.3. Signaling Secondary LSPs Support for extra traffic in SMP is for further study. Therefore, mechanisms to set up LSPs for extra traffic are also for further study. In the second sentence, you probably want to use the conventional phrase "are outside the scope of this document" in place of "are also for further study". 5.4. SMP Preemption Priority In SMP, the Setup and Holding priorities in the SESSION_ATTRIBUTE object can be used by GMPLS to control LSP preemption, but, they are not used by the APS to resolve the competition among multiple protecting LSPs. This is probably clear to people who fully understand all of these protocols. But naively, I see that in SMP, GMPLS does not do LSP preemption. Then the interpretation is that GMPLS distributes the Setup and Holding priorities, which APS then uses to resolve competition that arises during preemption. But the last clause states that APS does not use those priorities. I suspect that "In SMP, ... can be used by GMPLS to control LSP preemption" doesn't mean what I think it does (that is, control how APS does preemption). Perhaps there is a better way of phrasing it. When resource competition among multiple protecting LSPs occurs, the APS protocol will use their priority values to resolve the competition. Since this section introduces the priority field, it's worth stating here "A lower value has a higher priority." or appending "..., with a lower value indicating a higher priority.". In SMP, a preempted LSP MUST NOT be torn down. Perhaps "torn down" has a specific meaning, but naively, a preempted LSP has its resources de-allocated, and so is "torn down". I think you could make this clearer as In SMP, a preempted LSP MUST NOT be torn down even after its resources have been deallocated. But perhaps there is a more specific term that could be used instead of "torn down". 5.5. Notifying Availability of Shared Resources When the shared resources become unavailable, including a case of the shared resources failure, [...] Perhaps clearer as When any shared resources become unavailable for any other reason (e.g. failure of the shared resources), [...] 5.6. SMP APS Configuration In order to allow exchange of APS protocol messages, an APS channel has to be configured between adjacent nodes along the path of the SMP protecting LSP. This should be done before any SMP protecting LSP has been set up by other means than GMPLS signaling which are therefore outside the scope of this document. This is unclear to me. Does "by other means than GMPLS signaling" modify "SMP protecting LSP has been set up", as it appears to? It seems to me to be likely that the meaning is This is done by other means than GMPLS signaling, before any SMP protecting LSP has been set up. This means is outside the scope of this document. -- Therefore, additional requirements for APS configuration are outside the scope of this document. I think this can be clarified as Therefore, there are likely additional requirements for APS configuration which are outside the scope of this document. 10. Contributor The following person contributed significantly to the content of this document and should be considered as a co-author. This is an unusual statement. Presumably there is a good reason the expedient of listing Yuji Tochio as a co-author has not been taken. 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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Traffic Engineering Tunnels, Label Switched Paths and Interfaces Authors : Tarek Saad Rakesh Gandhi Xufeng Liu Vishnu Pavan Beeram Igor Bryskin Oscar Gonzalez de Dios Filename : draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-29.txt Pages : 129 Date : 2022-02-07 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for the provisioning and management of Traffic Engineering (TE) tunnels, Label Switched Paths (LSPs), and interfaces. The model is divided into YANG modules that classify data into generic, device-specific, technology agnostic, and technology-specific elements. This model covers data for configuration, operational state, remote procedural calls, and event notifications. 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BY5PR14MB3367 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] related WG Adoption Call in 6man - draft-dong-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id-06 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 12:39:56 -0000 WG -- this may be of interest to those looking at VTN and network resource identifiers. Lou (and Pavan) See - https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/Y_9sS0WEpQxs5h50no1mhtXljUM/ > This message starts a two week 6MAN call on adopting: > > Title: Carrying Virtual Transport Network (VTN) Identifier in IPv6 Extension > Header > Authors: J. Dong, Z. Li, C. Xie, C. Ma, G. Mishra > File Name: draft-dong-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id-06 > Document date: October 24, 2021 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-dong-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id-06 > > as a working group document. Substantive comments and statements of support for adopting this document should be sent to the mailing list. Editorial suggestions can be sent to the authors. This adoption call will end on 10 February 2022. > > Further, if you are willing to work on this document, either as contributor, author, or reviewer please notify the list. 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Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. =E2=80=94Colby Barth > On Feb 9, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of WG Adoption: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > Lou (Co-Chair) >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas --Apple-Mail=_9EF6D330-8B2A-4220-BCEA-0D40458867D5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Lou-

Yes, I'm aware = of IPR that applies to this draft.

Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR = rules.

=E2=80=94Colby Barth

On Feb = 9, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As = part of WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any = IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm = not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in = compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and = 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the = above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR = has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you = think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author = or contributor
please answer the
above by = responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to = the next
stage until a response has been received from = each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF = YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If = you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind you of your = obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you = to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an = IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed = IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
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charset="UTF-8" Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft. And yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. Regards, -Pavan On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 6:53 AM Lou Berger wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Lou (Co-Chair) > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --00000000000076977e05d7961c6b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft.
And yes, the IPR has been disclosed in c= ompliance with IETF IPR rules.

Regards,
-Pavan

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 6:53 AM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor
please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group= /iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Lou (Co-Chair)

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.


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draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 15:25:57 -0000 --_000_SJ0PR04MB8391B345CC998647B5C47CFFCD2E9SJ0PR04MB8391namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =93No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Reza From: Teas on behalf of Lou Berger Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53 AM To: Bin_Wen@cable.comcast.com , cbarth@juniper.n= et , chen.ran@zte.com.cn , csekar@= juniper.net , daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com , jie.dong@huawei.com , joel.h= alpern@ericsson.com , luay.jalil@verizon.com , luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com , peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn , reza.rokui@nokia.com , ssangli@juniper.net= , tsaad@juniper.net , vbeeram@juni= per.net , xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , TEAS WG Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packe= t-08 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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Hi,

 

=93No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this d= raft"

 

Reza

 

From: Teas <teas-bounc= es@ietf.org> on behalf of Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 7:53 AM
To: Bin_Wen@cable.comcast.com <Bin_Wen@cable.comcast.com>, cba= rth@juniper.net <cbarth@juniper.net>, chen.ran@zte.com.cn <chen.ra= n@zte.com.cn>, csekar@juniper.net <csekar@juniper.net>, daniele.ce= ccarelli@ericsson.com <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>, jie.dong@huawei.com <jie.dong@huawei.com>, joel.halpern@ericsson.com= <joel.halpern@ericsson.com>, luay.jalil@verizon.com <luay.jalil@v= erizon.com>, luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com <luismiguel.c= ontrerasmurillo@telefonica.com>, peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn <peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn>, reza.rokui@nokia.com <reza.rokui@nokia.= com>, ssangli@juniper.net <ssangli@juniper.net>, tsaad@juniper.net= <tsaad@juniper.net>, vbeeram@juniper.net <vbeeram@juniper.net>= , xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com <xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>, TEAS WG <teas@ie= tf.org>
Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-bestbar-teas-n= s-packet-08

Authors, Contributo= rs, WG,

As part of WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor
please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://trac.tool= s.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty__;!!OSsGDw!aFdWvAlKTeE= s97F2OmCrwd97mLDI_clnGeWbRjmKY20ERMm4WfHf-n5lzz_j$ [trac[.]tools[.]ietf[.]org].

Thank you,
Lou (Co-Chair)

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.


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X-Proofpoint-GUID: 9Np2Pn8kdD-D8gAjL3kLnWazfChlEHnt Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [E] Regarding IPR on draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 17:56:38 -0000 --00000000000090641105d7998dc4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft. Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. I'm not aware of other IPRs Regards, *Luay* On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 6:52 AM Lou Berger wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dr= aft. Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules.

I'm not aware of other IPRs

Regard= s,
Luay

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor
please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
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the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
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participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
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Thank you,
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<697d8174-8d33-d77f-fb1b-69b13481ff89@labn.net> From: Xufeng Liu Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: Bin_Wen@cable.comcast.com, cbarth@juniper.net, chen.ran@zte.com.cn, csekar@juniper.net, Daniele Ceccarelli , "Dongjie (Jimmy)" , joel.halpern@ericsson.com, luay.jalil@verizon.com, LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO , peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn, "Rokui, Reza (Nokia - CA/Ottawa)" , ssangli@juniper.net, Tarek Saad , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , TEAS WG Chairs , TEAS WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f1cd505d7b522df" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 02:50:59 -0000 --0000000000005f1cd505d7b522df Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft. Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules. Thanks, - Xufeng On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 7:52 AM Lou Berger wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to= this draft.
Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in c= ompliance with IETF IPR rules.

Thanks,
- Xufeng

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 7:52 AM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of WG Adoption:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor
please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group= /iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Lou (Co-Chair)

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.


--0000000000005f1cd505d7b522df-- From nobody Tue Feb 15 07:15:59 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091913A0D50; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 07:15:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.44.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164493815802.3205.11099438403856454023@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 07:15:58 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] IPR Disclosure ZTE Corporation's Statement about IPR related to draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 15:15:58 -0000 Dear Tarek Saad, Vishnu Pavan Beeram, Jie Dong, Bin Wen, Daniele Ceccarelli, Joel M. 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Regards, PSF ------------------原始邮件------------------ 发件人:LouBerger 收件人:Bin_Wen@cable.comcast.com;cbarth@juniper.net;陈然00080434;csekar@juniper.net;daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com;jie.dong@huawei.com;joel.halpern@ericsson.com;luay.jalil@verizon.com;luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com;彭少富10053815;reza.rokui@nokia.com;ssangli@juniper.net;tsaad@juniper.net;vbeeram@juniper.net;xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; 抄送人:TEAS WG Chairs;TEAS WG; 日 期 :2022年02月09日 20:53 主 题 :[Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Lou (Co-Chair) PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Tue Feb 15 17:37:37 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE573A1284; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:37:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CTE_8BIT_MISMATCH=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52hevfkuZdcv; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxhk.zte.com.cn (mxhk.zte.com.cn [63.216.63.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FF853A0BB3; Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:37:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mse-fl2.zte.com.cn (unknown [10.30.14.239]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mxhk.zte.com.cn (FangMail) with ESMTPS id 4Jz0vD0ssPz8PxDH; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:37:28 +0800 (CST) Received: from njxapp04.zte.com.cn ([10.41.132.203]) by mse-fl2.zte.com.cn with SMTP id 21G1b9fs034175; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:37:09 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from chen.ran@zte.com.cn) Received: from mapi (njxapp04[null]) by mapi (Zmail) with MAPI id mid203; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:37:09 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:37:09 +0800 (CST) X-Zmail-TransId: 2afc620c554500e5345c X-Mailer: Zmail v1.0 Message-ID: <202202160937096525592@zte.com.cn> In-Reply-To: <697d8174-8d33-d77f-fb1b-69b13481ff89@labn.net> References: 697d8174-8d33-d77f-fb1b-69b13481ff89@labn.net Mime-Version: 1.0 From: To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Cc: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-MAIL: mse-fl2.zte.com.cn 21G1b9fs034175 X-Fangmail-Gw-Spam-Type: 0 X-FangMail-Miltered: at cgslv5.04-192.168.250.137.novalocal with ID 620C5558.000 by FangMail milter! 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Regards, Ran ------------------原始邮件------------------ 发件人:LouBerger 收件人:Bin_Wen@cable.comcast.com;cbarth@juniper.net;陈然00080434;csekar@juniper.net;daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com;jie.dong@huawei.com;joel.halpern@ericsson.com;luay.jalil@verizon.com;luismiguel.contrerasmurillo@telefonica.com;彭少富10053815;reza.rokui@nokia.com;ssangli@juniper.net;tsaad@juniper.net;vbeeram@juniper.net;xufeng.liu.ietf@gmail.com; 抄送人:TEAS WG Chairs;TEAS WG; 日 期 :2022年02月09日 20:53 主 题 :[Teas] Regarding IPR on draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Lou (Co-Chair) PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas From nobody Wed Feb 16 08:37:05 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7FC3A1459; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:36:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.45.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164502940517.9984.10445648496246764544@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:36:45 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:36:55 -0000 Dear Tarek Saad, Vishnu Pavan Beeram, Jie Dong, Bin Wen, Daniele Ceccarelli, Joel M. Halpern, Shaofu Peng, Ran Chen, Xufeng Liu, Luis M. Contreras, Reza Rokui, Luay Jalil: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks" (draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2022-02-15 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5484/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Wed Feb 16 08:37:22 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1789C3A1444; Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.45.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164502942908.10030.13664340261939842538@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:37:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] IPR Disclosure Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:37:17 -0000 Dear Tarek Saad, Vishnu Pavan Beeram, Jie Dong, Bin Wen, Daniele Ceccarelli, Joel M. Halpern, Shaofu Peng, Ran Chen, Xufeng Liu, Luis M. Contreras, Reza Rokui, Luay Jalil: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks" (draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2022-02-15 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5483/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Thu Feb 17 01:22:15 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958E63A18C4; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:22:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LkpnQM2doDuT; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 729D53A18C3; 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Thu, 17 Feb 2022 21:46:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <164371679974.9237.1674072571446722747@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Romascanu Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 07:46:24 +0200 Message-ID: To: Jeong-dong Ryoo Cc: ops-dir@ietf.org, Last Call , teas@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp.all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e0eae705d8446721" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] [Last-Call] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-10 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 05:46:44 -0000 --000000000000e0eae705d8446721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeong-dong, Thank you for your response and for addressing the issues that were raised in my review. The proposed text for the Introduction section addresses my concerns. Regards, Dan On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 4:31 AM Jeong-dong Ryoo wrote: > Dear Dan, > > Thank you for your review of this document. In an effort to address the > issue you raised, the authors of this document prepared a new paragraph t= o > add in the Introduction section as follows: > > [RFC8776] defines a collection of common YANG data types for Traffic > Engineering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. It defines several > identities for LSP protection types. As this document introduces a new LS= P > Protection Type, [RFC8776] is expected to be updated to support the SMP > specified in this document. [draft-ietf-teas-yang-te] defines a YANG data > model for the provisioning and management of TE tunnels, LSPs, and > interfaces. It includes some protection and restoration data nodes releva= nt > to this document. Management aspects of the SMP are outside the scope of > this document, and they are expected to be addressed by other documents. > > Please, let us know if this is not sufficient to address your concerns. > > Best regards, > > Jeong-dong (on behalf of the co-authors) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Dan Romascanu via Datatracker" > To: ; > Cc: ; ; ; > ; > Sent: 2022-02-01 (=ED=99=94) 21:00:54 (UTC+09:00) > Subject: [Last-Call] Opsdir last call review of > draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-10 > > Reviewer: Dan Romascanu > Review result: Not Ready > > This document updates RFC 4872 and RFC 4873 to provide the extensions to > the > Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to support t= he > control of the Shared Mesh Protection (SMP) mechanism defined by ITU-T > Recommendation G.808.3. It describes in details the operation of SMP with > GMPLS > Signaling Extension, the GMPLS Signaling Extension for SMP, and the > updates to > PROTECTION Object. > > I believe that the document is useful for operators runing GMPLS and SMP. > The > signaling aspects seem to be well defined. However, the document misses > completly any operational and manageability considerations. Are they > covered by > other documents? Are updates required for any GMPLS management RFCs? Are > there > any configuration or alarms aspects that the operators should be aware > about? > What is the operational impact of upgrading networks to run SMP? These ar= e > parts of the questions I would expect to be addressed, or at least some > pointers provided to existing documents (IETF, ITU-T) or future work. > > I would suggest that these issues be addressed before the document is > approved > for publication. > > > -- > last-call mailing list > last-call@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/last-call > > --000000000000e0eae705d8446721 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jeong-dong,

Thank you for your respo= nse and for addressing the issues that were raised in my review. The propos= ed text for the Introduction section addresses my concerns.

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Regards,

Dan

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On Fri,= Feb 18, 2022 at 4:31 AM Jeong-dong Ryoo <ryoo@etri.re.kr> wrote:
Dear Dan,

Thank you for your review of this document. In an effort to address the iss= ue you raised, the authors of this document prepared a new paragraph to add= in the Introduction section as follows:

[RFC8776] defines a collection of common YANG data types for Traffic Engine= ering (TE) configuration and state capabilities. It defines several identit= ies for LSP protection types. As this document introduces a new LSP Protect= ion Type, [RFC8776] is expected to be updated to support the SMP specified = in this document. [draft-ietf-teas-yang-te] defines a YANG data model for t= he provisioning and management of TE tunnels, LSPs, and interfaces. It incl= udes some protection and restoration data nodes relevant to this document. = Management aspects of the SMP are outside the scope of this document, and t= hey are expected to be addressed by other documents.

Please, let us know if this is not sufficient to address your concerns.
Best regards,

Jeong-dong (on behalf of the co-authors)





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Subject: [Last-Call] Opsdir last call review of draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signa= ling-smp-10

Reviewer: Dan Romascanu
Review result: Not Ready

This document updates RFC 4872 and RFC 4873 to provide the extensions to th= e
Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to support the=
control of the Shared Mesh Protection (SMP) mechanism defined by ITU-T
Recommendation G.808.3. It describes in details the operation of SMP with G= MPLS
Signaling Extension, the GMPLS Signaling Extension for SMP, and the updates= to
PROTECTION Object.

I believe that the document is useful for operators runing GMPLS and SMP. T= he
signaling aspects seem to be well defined. However, the document misses
completly any operational and manageability considerations. Are they covere= d by
other documents? Are updates required for any GMPLS management RFCs? Are th= ere
any configuration or alarms aspects that the operators should be aware abou= t?
What is the operational impact of upgrading networks to run SMP? These are<= br> parts of the questions I would expect to be addressed, or at least some
pointers provided to existing documents (IETF, ITU-T) or future work.

I would suggest that these issues be addressed before the document is appro= ved
for publication.


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Chandra. > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 6:58 PM > To: TEAS WG > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns- > packet@ietf.org > Subject: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > [External Email. Be cautious of content] > > > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestba= r- > teas-ns-packet/__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!V_TqAc07IKN8QocPaEvnRpeXjJpcJ2- > C9rWL5ffKVgLoLv6phI_1Waamd8eWAF4$ > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?subm= i > t=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet__;!!NEt6yMaO- > gk!V_TqAc07IKN8QocPaEvnRpeXjJpcJ2- > C9rWL5ffKVgLoLv6phI_1WaamoknDMkI$ > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the en= d of > the day (any time zone) March 4. > > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas__; > !!NEt6yMaO-gk!V_TqAc07IKN8QocPaEvnRpeXjJpcJ2- > C9rWL5ffKVgLoLv6phI_1WaamFtpPmxA$ Juniper Business Use Only From nobody Mon Feb 21 03:10:16 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364713A0EDA; 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Regards, PSF ------------------原始邮件------------------ 发件人:LouBerger 收件人:TEAS WG; 抄送人:TEAS WG Chairs;draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org; 日 期 :2022年02月18日 21:35 主 题 :[Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hello, This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end of the day (any time zone) March 4. 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working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:30:19 -0000 --00000000000055375f05d88d1991 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support WG adoption (as a contributor) Regards, *Luay* On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 7:28 AM Lou Berger wrote: > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.o= rg_doc_draft-2Dbestbar-2Dteas-2Dns-2Dpacket_&d=3DDwICaQ&c=3DudBTRvFvXC5Dhqg= 7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=3Dk0DrrBeS0St-D1jEwNQ_u1ZyHQXQly5fgCsWF0VTh7= o&m=3D7e6BZvxfFDSTTna9ab2Ydr_OMvetTnPkcEa_b18N68D94I-0plfSKxfn-pIS-FhX&s=3D= c806kukhTc3y28qN-bbR3o46ukKCcWiwwQOPcyWlNwE&e=3D > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf.o= 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I support WG adoption (as a contributor)

Regards,
Luay


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I support WG adoption. Regards, -Pavan (as a co-author). On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 7:28 AM Lou Berger wrote: > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end > of the day (any time zone) March 4. > > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --000000000000c0b97105d8939cc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I believe the draft is sufficiently baked for the WG to bu= ild on and take it forward. I support WG adoption.

Regar= ds,
-Pavan (as a co-author).

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 7:28 AM= Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>= ; wrote:
Hello,<= br>
This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -bestbar-teas-ns-packet/

Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-t= eas-ns-packet

Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end = of the day (any time zone) March 4.

Thank you,
Lou (as Co-chair)

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Kind Regards Gyan On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 11:16 PM Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > I believe the draft is sufficiently baked for the WG to build on and take > it forward. I support WG adoption. > > Regards, > -Pavan (as a co-author). > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 7:28 AM Lou Berger wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ >> >> Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: >> >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet >> >> Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the >> end of the day (any time zone) March 4. >> >> Thank you, >> Lou (as Co-chair) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >> > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > -- *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com * *M 301 502-1347* --000000000000913d8f05d8959359 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have reviewed the draft =C2=A0and have p= rovided feedback to the authors to help improve the draft in previous revis= ions and do support WG adoption.

Kind Regards=C2=A0

Gyan

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 11:16 PM Vishnu Pavan Beeram <vishnupavan@gmail.com> wrote:=
I believe the dra= ft is sufficiently baked for the WG to build on and take it forward. I supp= ort WG adoption.

Regards,
-Pavan (as a co-auth= or).

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 7:28 AM = Lou Berger <lberge= r@labn.net> wrote:
Hello,

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -bestbar-teas-ns-packet/

Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-t= eas-ns-packet

Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end = of the day (any time zone) March 4.

Thank you,
Lou (as Co-chair)

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MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SetDate=2022-02-22T07:34:24Z; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Method=Privileged; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Name=unrestricted_parent.2; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SiteId=90c7a20a-f34b-40bf-bc48-b9253b6f5d20; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ActionId=ce7c05b4-1542-4e90-a527-11be749a1a4a; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ContentBits=0 x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.247] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:40:40 -0000 Hi all,=20 I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw:=20=20 (1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubuserconte= nt.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05= -rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated versio= n after that review, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of= these concerns with the latest version.=20 (2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, = this would conflict with the scope set for the draft:=20 "The focus of this document is on the mechanisms required at the device level to address the requirements of network slicing in packet networks." This is even worse as the document says:=20=20 A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slice-Flow Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forwarding treatment or NRP-PHB. One or more fields within the packet MAY be used as an FAS to do this.=20 which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO. Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned. (3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data plan= e extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for example the work doc= umented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-networ= k-slices-instantation-02=20 (4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational.=20 (5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS= Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks" (6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology ... ag= nostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific details and ev= en normative references pointing to some "path control" mechanisms.=20 (7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative.= =20 (8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think the inten= t is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated themselves, then a stat= e is needed to be maintained in the network about these individual slices (= at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggre= gate). If services are aggregated, then the optimization at the boundary de= vices is made possible. The "aggregation" information will need to be maint= ained in controllers.=20 (9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g.,= =20 the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)).=20 (10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate.=20 Thank you.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Teas De la part de Lou Berger > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 18 f=E9vrier 2022 14:28 > =C0=A0: TEAS WG > Cc=A0: TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns- > packet@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 >=20 > Hello, >=20 > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ >=20 > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r- > teas-ns-packet >=20 > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the > end of the day (any time zone) March 4. >=20 > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support this (as co-author). Reza From: Colby Barth Date: Monday, February 21, 2022 at 7:12 AM To: Lou Berger , TEAS WG , TEAS WG Chairs = Cc: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-= packet-08 I support WG adoption (as a contributor). =97Colby On Feb 18, 2022, at 8:28 AM, Lou Berger > wrote: Hello, This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ [datatracker= .ietf.org] Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-= teas-ns-packet [datatracker.ietf.org] Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end = of the day (any time zone) March 4. Thank you, Lou (as Co-chair) _______________________________________________ Teas mailing list Teas@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas [ietf.org] --_000_SJ0PR04MB8391D946BC60DD1EABDC6FD1CD3B9SJ0PR04MB8391namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support this (as = co-author).

 

Reza

 

From: Colby Barth <bar= th.colby@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, February 21, 2022 at 7:12 AM
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org&g= t;, TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org <draft-bestbar-teas-ns-= packet@ietf.org>
Subject: [**EXTERNAL**] Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-t= eas-ns-packet-08

I suppo= rt WG adoption (as a contributor).<= o:p>



=97Colb= y



On Feb 18, 2022, at= 8:28 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.n= et> wrote:

 

Hello,

This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-tea= s-ns-packet/ [datatracker.ietf.org]

Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
https://datatracker= .ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet [datatracker.ietf.org]

Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end = of the day (any time zone) March 4.

Thank you,
Lou (as Co-chair)

_______________________________________________
Teas mailing list
Teas@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas [ietf.org]

 

--_000_SJ0PR04MB8391D946BC60DD1EABDC6FD1CD3B9SJ0PR04MB8391namp_-- From nobody Tue Feb 22 08:28:01 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 037453A07D3 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:28:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.714, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=joelhalpern.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AeoR5P4vRRCq for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailb2.tigertech.net (mailb2.tigertech.net [208.80.4.154]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DE693A07A9 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4K34Mv0ySVz1pMSb; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:27:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=joelhalpern.com; s=2.tigertech; t=1645547275; bh=n+JnwpONEVnwfNvYtkLIu7YXy1RRYjgv3/BKoDJC+YE=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=fGtcGn3knWuFJ09MxMkbD7K5x3+/CD+q5P9XVRES1gKR7ggIZoRPiFq2uTWiLIinT OOC3iffnkf5M+ejQkKlMxV5rCyIVM+EPci4YNXeA80IrmCRtP/7k97ysfrwbtG9lcw TLXHH2DVHkOoo6715XiTWKxrgnttPQEYHRskveXo= X-Quarantine-ID: <6D92tLkmRnjf> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at b2.tigertech.net Received: from [192.168.22.111] (50-233-136-230-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.233.136.230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailb2.tigertech.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4K34Mt2cY1z1pMS8; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:27:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:27:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.1 Content-Language: en-US To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com, TEAS WG References: <54263b17-4c97-8fcc-672c-146bed709b01@labn.net> <15102_1645519233_6214A181_15102_203_1_fdd45042-ab85-4440-964a-87f0ae277fe0@OPEXCAUBM5D.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> From: "Joel M. Halpern" In-Reply-To: <15102_1645519233_6214A181_15102_203_1_fdd45042-ab85-4440-964a-87f0ae277fe0@OPEXCAUBM5D.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 - aggregate awareness X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 16:28:00 -0000 With regard to what routers need to be aware of what, I read the wording you quote slightly and importantly differently. As I understand it, that wording means that any rotuer that is providing different treatment to a slice flow aggregate (e.g. giving it different queueing or other resources) has to be aware of the slice aggregate it is treating and how to recognize which packets fall into that slice aggregate. I believe that is the meaning of the words. And it seems almost tautological. (But still useful to say.) Yours, Joel On 2/22/2022 3:40 AM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this document. Please find below some comments, fwiw: > > (1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05-rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated version after that review, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of these concerns with the latest version. > > (2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architectural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individual solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discussion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, this would conflict with the scope set for the draft: > > "The focus of this document is on the > mechanisms required at the device level to address the requirements > of network slicing in packet networks." > > This is even worse as the document says: > > A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slice-Flow > Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forwarding > treatment or NRP-PHB. One or more fields within the packet MAY be > used as an FAS to do this. > > which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be slice-aware, which is not required IMO. > > Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be mentioned. > > (3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering questions such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data plane extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for example the work documented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-network-slices-instantation-02 > > (4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, but Informational. > > (5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks" > > (6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology ... agnostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific details and even normative references pointing to some "path control" mechanisms. > > (7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individual I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative. > > (8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think the intent is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated themselves, then a state is needed to be maintained in the network about these individual slices (at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggregate). If services are aggregated, then the optimization at the boundary devices is made possible. The "aggregation" information will need to be maintained in controllers. > > (9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., > > the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a > Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice > Controller. > > This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)). > > (10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not only aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate. > > Thank you. > > Cheers, > Med > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Teas De la part de Lou Berger >> Envoyé : vendredi 18 février 2022 14:28 >> À : TEAS WG >> Cc : TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns- >> packet@ietf.org >> Objet : [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 >> >> Hello, >> >> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ >> >> Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-bestbar- >> teas-ns-packet >> >> Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the >> end of the day (any time zone) March 4. >> >> Thank you, >> Lou (as Co-chair) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Teas mailing list >> Teas@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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See inline for response= s. From: Teas on behalf of mohamed.boucadair@orange.co= m Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM To: Lou Berger , TEAS WG Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@iet= f.org Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hi all, I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: (1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubuserconte= nt.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05= -rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated versio= n after that review, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of= these concerns with the latest version. (2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, = this would conflict with the scope set for the draft: [TS]: We have made a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parall= el with 2475 (glad you like it). This is meant to be a solution document --= the intent with the narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel a= nd then discuss the solution-specific details. "The focus of this document is on the mechanisms required at the device level to address the requirements of network slicing in packet networks." This is even worse as the document says: A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slice-Flow Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forwarding treatment or NRP-PHB. One or more fields within the packet MAY be used as an FAS to do this. which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO. [TS]: No, it=92s definitely not the intent. What=92s stated is any router t= hat needs enforce a specific SFA forwarding treatment is required to associ= ate the packets to a SFA. Routers that don=92t need to enforce SFA forwardi= ng treatment are not required to do so. We'll try to rephrase this as Joel = put in his response. Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned. (3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data plan= e extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for example the work doc= umented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-networ= k-slices-instantation-02 [TS]: Indeed. The document describes a =91control plane only=92 slicing mod= e for network resources. In that case, the network resources are ma= naged in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements. (4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational. [TS]: We believe it should be standards track. There are a set of new const= ructs and behaviors that are introduced in the document. (5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS= Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks= " (6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology ... ag= nostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific details and ev= en normative references pointing to some "path control" mechanisms. [TS]: the document is not prescriptive on the technology of choice to estab= lish the transport paths. However, the concepts proposed, are applicable in= dependent of choice of technology. (7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative. [TS]: it helps if you can provide a specific example. (8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think the inten= t is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated themselves, then a stat= e is needed to be maintained in the network about these individual slices (= at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggre= gate). If services are aggregated, then the optimization at the boundary de= vices is made possible. The "aggregation" information will need to be maint= ained in controllers. (9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)). [TS]: ack, we propose to update the above as follows: NEW: the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also maintain a mapping of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a SFA. (10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate. [TS]: indeed. The document does not preclude this option. We can add a stat= ement to make it explicit too. Regards, Tarek (for the co-authors) Thank you. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Teas De la part de Lou Berger > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 f=E9vrier 2022 14:28 > =C0 : TEAS WG > Cc : TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns- > packet@ietf.org > Objet : [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r- > teas-ns-packet > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the > end of the day (any time zone) March 4. > > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks Med as usual= for your feedback and comments. See inline for responses.

 

From: Teas <teas-bounc= es@ietf.org> on behalf of mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.bouca= dair@orange.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org&g= t;
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>, draft-bestbar-teas-= ns-packet@ietf.org <draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-0= 8

Hi all,

I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: 

(1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/boucadair/IETF= -Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05-rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated version after that rev= iew, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of these concerns = with the latest version.

(2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, this would conflict with the scope= set for the draft:

[TS]: We have made = a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parallel with 2475 (glad = you like it). This is meant to be a solution document -- the intent with th= e narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel and then discuss the solution-specific details.=

 


   "The focus of this document is on the
   mechanisms required at the device level to address the require= ments
   of network slicing in packet networks."

This is even worse as the document says: 

   A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slic= e-Flow
   Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forward= ing
   treatment or NRP-PHB.  One or more fields within the pack= et MAY be
   used as an FAS to do this.

which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO.

[TS]: No, it=92s de= finitely not the intent. What=92s stated is any router that needs enforce a= specific SFA forwarding treatment is required to associate the packets to = a SFA. Routers that don=92t need to enforce SFA forwarding treatment are not required to do so. We'll try to rephrase = this as Joel put in his response.


Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned.

(3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data= plane extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for = example the work documented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-network-slices-ins= tantation-02

[TS]: Indeed. The d= ocument describes a =91control plane only=92 slicing mode for network resources. In that case, the network resources= are managed in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements= .

 

 


(4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational.

 

[TS]: We believe it= should be standards track. There are a set of new constructs and behaviors= that are introduced in the document.



(5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP= /MPLS Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in I= P/MPLS Networks"

(6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology .= .. agnostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific deta= ils and even normative references pointing to some "path control"= mechanisms.

 

[TS]: the document = is not prescriptive on the technology of choice to establish the transport = paths. However, the concepts proposed, are applicable independent of choice= of technology.

(7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative.

[TS]: it helps if y= ou can provide a specific example.


(8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think= the intent is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated the= mselves, then a state is needed to be maintained in the network about these= individual slices (at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggregate). If services are aggregated,= then the optimization at the boundary devices is made possible. The "= aggregation" information will need to be maintained in controllers.

(9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., <= br>
      the mapping of one or more IETF network slic= es to a
      Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
      Controller.

This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)).

 

[TS]: ack, we propo= se to update the above as follows:

 

NEW:

   &= nbsp;  the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a
      Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
      Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also main= tain a mapping

   &= nbsp;  of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a SFA.<= /span>



(10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate.

[TS]: indeed. The d= ocument does not preclude this option. We can add a statement to make it ex= plicit too.

 

Regards,=

Tarek (for the co-a= uthors)

 


Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Lou Berger<= br> > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 f=E9vrier 2022 14:28
> =C0 : TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> Cc : TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar-t= eas-ns-
> packet@ietf.org
> Objet : [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08<= br> >
> Hello,
>
> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/
>
> Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-best= bar-
> teas-ns-packet
>
> Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the=
> end of the day (any time zone) March 4.
>
> Thank you,
> Lou (as Co-chair)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas

___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________

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text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tarek, Please see inline. Cheers, Med De : Teas De la part de Tarek Saad Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 f=E9vrier 2022 22:17 =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET ; Lou Berge= r ; TEAS WG Cc : TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ie= tf.org Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Thanks Med as usual for your feedback and comments. See inline for response= s. From: Teas > on behalf = of mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM To: Lou Berger >, TEAS WG > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs >, dra= ft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hi all, I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: (1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubuserconte= nt.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05= -rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated versio= n after that review, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of= these concerns with the latest version. (2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, = this would conflict with the scope set for the draft: [TS]: We have made a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parall= el with 2475 (glad you like it). This is meant to be a solution document --= the intent with the narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel a= nd then discuss the solution-specific details. [Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the draft are ** examples = ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identification). Other solutio= ns (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. If = we want the architecture to survive to individual solutions, an arch-orient= ed document has more merit. Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures an= d it is not clear if they apply to the generic architecture or to the speci= fic solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in "offloading" spe= cific solution details to these solution documents rather than having redun= dant discussion also included in this arch document. "The focus of this document is on the mechanisms required at the device level to address the requirements of network slicing in packet networks." This is even worse as the document says: A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slice-Flow Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forwarding treatment or NRP-PHB. One or more fields within the packet MAY be used as an FAS to do this. which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO. [TS]: No, it's definitely not the intent. [Med] Great. I hope this will be clarified in the text. What's stated is any router that needs enforce a specific SFA forwarding tr= eatment is required to associate the packets to a SFA. Routers that don't n= eed to enforce SFA forwarding treatment are not required to do so. We'll tr= y to rephrase this as Joel put in his response. Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned. (3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data plan= e extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for example the work doc= umented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-networ= k-slices-instantation-02 [TS]: Indeed. The document describes a 'control plane only' slicing mode for network resources. In that case, the network resources are manage= d in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements. (4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational. [TS]: We believe it should be standards track. There are a set of new const= ructs and behaviors that are introduced in the document. [Med] Given the parallel with 2475 (which is informational) and that this i= s *an* approach among others to realize slices, I maintain the comment. (5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS= Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks" (6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology ... ag= nostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific details and ev= en normative references pointing to some "path control" mechanisms. [TS]: the document is not prescriptive on the technology of choice to estab= lish the transport paths. However, the concepts proposed, are applicable in= dependent of choice of technology. [Med] Glad to hear that. Having some text that echoes this reply would be g= reat. Thanks. (7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative. [TS]: it helps if you can provide a specific example. [Med] Sure. I'm referring to these three I-Ds. [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy] Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., Peng, S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "YANG Data Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K., and A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] Also, the language is not consistent for all cited solution drafts, e.g., An NRP Policy MAY include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as defined in [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] vs. [I-D.decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to repurpose the ELI/EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in order to minimize the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental deployment. I would remove the normative language for the text pointing to mspl4fa. (8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think the inten= t is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated themselves, then a stat= e is needed to be maintained in the network about these individual slices (= at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggre= gate). If services are aggregated, then the optimization at the boundary de= vices is made possible. The "aggregation" information will need to be maint= ained in controllers. [Med] I hope the point is will be addressed. (9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)). [TS]: ack, we propose to update the above as follows: NEW: the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also maintain a mapping of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a SFA. (10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate. [TS]: indeed. The document does not preclude this option. We can add a stat= ement to make it explicit too. Regards, Tarek (for the co-authors) Thank you. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Teas > De la par= t de Lou Berger > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 f=E9vrier 2022 14:28 > =C0 : TEAS WG > > Cc : TEAS WG Chairs >; = draft-bestbar-teas-ns- > packet@ietf.org > Objet : [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r- > teas-ns-packet > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the > end of the day (any time zone) March 4. > > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Tarek,

 

Please see inline.

 

Cheers,

Med

 

De := Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Tarek Saad
Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 f=E9vrier 2022 22:17
=C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.= com>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>=
Cc : TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar= -teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pack= et-08

 

Than= ks Med as usual for your feedback and comments. See inline for responses.

 

From: Teas= <teas-bounces@ietf.org>= on behalf of mohamed.boucadair@orange.co= m <mohamed.boucadair= @orange.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.= net>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org= >
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-= chairs@ietf.org>, draft-bestbar-teas= -ns-packet@ietf.org <draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-0= 8

Hi all,

I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: 

(1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/boucadair/IETF= -Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05-rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated version after that rev= iew, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of these concerns = with the latest version.

(2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, this would conflict with the scope= set for the draft:

[TS]= : We have made a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parallel w= ith 2475 (glad you like it). This is meant to be a solution document -- the= intent with the narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel and then discuss the solution-specific details.=

 

[Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the d= raft are ** examples ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identific= ation). Other solutions (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. If we want the architecture t= o survive to individual solutions, an arch-oriented document has more merit= . Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures and it is not clear if they = apply to the generic architecture or to the specific solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in = “offloading” specific solution details to these solution docume= nts rather than having redundant discussion also included in this arch docu= ment.


   "The focus of this document is on the
   mechanisms required at the device level to address the require= ments
   of network slicing in packet networks."

This is even worse as the document says: 

   A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slic= e-Flow
   Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forward= ing
   treatment or NRP-PHB.  One or more fields within the pack= et MAY be
   used as an FAS to do this.

which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO.

[TS]= : No, it’s definitely not the intent.

[Med] Great. I hope this will be clarified in the text.

 

What= ’s stated is any router that needs enforce a specific SFA forwarding = treatment is required to associate the packets to a SFA. Routers that don&#= 8217;t need to enforce SFA forwarding treatment are not required to do so. We'll try to rephrase this as Joel put in his respo= nse.


Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned.

(3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data= plane extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for = example the work documented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-network-slices-ins= tantation-02

[TS]= : Indeed. The document describes a ‘control plane only’ slicing mode for network resources. In that case, the network resources= are managed in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements= .

 


(4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational.

 

[TS]= : We believe it should be standards track. There are a set of new construct= s and behaviors that are introduced in the document.

[Med] Given the parallel with 2475 (which is informati= onal) and that this is *an* approach among others to realize slices, I main= tain the comment.



(5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP= /MPLS Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in I= P/MPLS Networks"

(6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology .= .. agnostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific deta= ils and even normative references pointing to some "path control"= mechanisms.

 

[TS]: the document is not prescriptive on the te= chnology of choice to establish the transport paths. However, the concepts = proposed, are applicable independent of choice of technology.

[Med] Glad to hear that= . Having some text that echoes this reply would be great. Thanks.


(7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative.

[TS]= : it helps if you can provide a specific example.

[Med] Sure. I’m referring to these th=
ree I-Ds. 
 
 =
   [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy]

         =      Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., = Peng,

         =      S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "= YANG Data

         =      Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, In= ternet-Draft,

         =      draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 Octobe= r 2021,

         =      <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bestbar-= teas-yang-

         =      slice-policy-02.txt>.=

 

   [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo]

         =      Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K= ., and

         =      A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work= in Progress,

         =      Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 Oc= tober

         =      2021, <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ie= tf-lsr-

         =      flex-algo-18.txt>.

 

   [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa]

 

Also, the language is not consistent for all cited sol= ution drafts, e.g.,

 

      An NRP Policy MAY =
include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as
      defined in [I-D.ko=
mpella-mpls-mspl4fa]

 

vs.

 

      [I-D.decraene-mpls=
-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to
      repurpose the ELI/=
EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in
      order to minimize =
the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental
      deployment.=

 

I would remove the normative language for the text poi= nting to mspl4fa.


(8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think= the intent is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated the= mselves, then a state is needed to be maintained in the network about these= individual slices (at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggregate). If services are aggregated,= then the optimization at the boundary devices is made possible. The "= aggregation" information will need to be maintained in controllers.

[Med] I hope the point is will be addressed.


(9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., <= br>
      the mapping of one or more IETF network slic= es to a
      Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
      Controller.

This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)).

 

[TS]= : ack, we propose to update the above as follows:

 

NEW:=

&nbs= p;     the mapping of one or more IETF network slices t= o a
      Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
      Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also main= tain a mapping

&nbs= p;     of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a S= FA.



(10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate.

[TS]= : indeed. The document does not preclude this option. We can add a statemen= t to make it explicit too.

 

Rega= rds,

Tare= k (for the co-authors)

 


Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

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> De : Teas <teas-bounc= es@ietf.org> De la part de Lou Berger
> Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 f=E9vrier 2022 14:28
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> Cc : TEAS WG Chairs <
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> packet@ietf.org
> Objet : [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08<= br> >
> Hello,
>
> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/
>
> Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-best= bar-
> teas-ns-packet
>
> Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the=
> end of the day (any time zone) March 4.
>
> Thank you,
> Lou (as Co-chair)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org
> https://www.iet= f.org/mailman/listinfo/teas


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discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 14:29:21 -0000 --0000000000001ea65e05d8b04ae0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bo, Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB).. Regards, -Pavan (on behalf of the authors) On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM Wubo (lana) wrote: > Hi all, > > I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and terms. > > 1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) based > mapping solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, and SFAs to > NRP(Network Resource Partition)s. > If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization document, I > think, it should allow more options. For example, the slice services coul= d > be mapped to VPNs, and > VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang. > [VPB] Please refer to section 5.3 ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08#secti= on-5.3 ). It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic onto paths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly allowed. We can add a reference to draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in this section and make it explicit. > > 2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but the > following definition are not consistent: > 1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but is > seems relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Policy selection > Criteria in the model definition. > Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP Policy > selection criteria and are given the same forwarding treatment ; > > 2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, but apart > from Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. It is > recommended that the terms be consistent. > FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label. > [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP policy data model draft (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy data model draft needs to be updated to be in sync with the current terminology used in draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. This should get done in the next few days. But please note that the NRP policy data model draft is not the one that is currently being polled for adoption. > > Thanks, > Bo > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Lou Berger > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8818=E6=97= =A5 21:28 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs ; > > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pack= et-08 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r-teas-n > > s-packet > > > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the > end of the > > day (any time zone) March 4. > > > > Thank you, > > Lou (as Co-chair) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --0000000000001ea65e05d8b04ae0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB)..

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-Pavan (on behalf of= the authors)


On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM Wubo (lana) <lana= .wubo=3D40huawei.com@dmarc.i= etf.org> wrote:
Hi all,

I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and terms.

1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) based mappi= ng solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, and SFAs to NRP(Netwo= rk Resource Partition)s.
If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization document, I t= hink, it should allow more options. For example, the slice services could b= e mapped to VPNs, and
VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in draft-ietf-tea= s-te-service-mapping-yang.

[VPB]=C2=A0<= span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Please refer t= o section 5.3 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pac= ket-08#section-5.3). It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic onto pa= ths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly allowed.=C2=A0We c= an add a reference to draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in this section and = make it explicit.
=C2=A0

2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but the follo= wing definition are not consistent:
1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but is seems= relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Policy selection Cr= iteria in the model definition.
Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP Policy sele= ction criteria and are given the same forwarding treatment ;

2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, but apart f= rom Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. It is recommended= that the terms be consistent.
FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label.

[VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP policy dat= a model draft (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy data model draft needs to be updated to be in sync with the current terminology = used in draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. This should get=C2=A0done in the next few = days. But please note that the NRP policy data model draft is not the one that is currently being polled for adoption.
=C2=A0

Thanks,
Bo
> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1= =A8 Lou Berger
> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8818=E6=97= =A5 21:28
> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>;
> draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pac= ket-08
>
> Hello,
>
> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/
>
> Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
> https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-teas-n=
> s-packet
>
> Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the= end of the
> day (any time zone) March 4.
>
> Thank you,
> Lou (as Co-chair)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Teas mailing list
> Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas
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MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SiteId=90c7a20a-f34b-40bf-bc48-b9253b6f5d20; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SetDate=2022-02-23T08:59:49.0000000Z; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Name=unrestricted_parent.2; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_ContentBits=0; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Method=Privileged Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM5PR1901MB2150306EB5F97832349EBA8CFC3C9DM5PR1901MB2150_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 19:25:26 -0000 --_000_DM5PR1901MB2150306EB5F97832349EBA8CFC3C9DM5PR1901MB2150_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Med, See below for follow-up responses. >> [Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the draft are ** exampl= es ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identification). Other solu= tions (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. = If we want the architecture to survive to individual solutions, an arch-ori= ented document has more merit. Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures= and it is not clear if they apply to the generic architecture or to the sp= ecific solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in =93offloading= =94 specific solution details to these solution documents rather than havin= g redundant discussion also included in this arch document. [TS]: yes, the intention is to discuss the protocol and/or dataplane extens= ions related to the solution in separate documents (potentially driven at t= he respective WGs). We can make sure any such details are not discussed in = this document. At this time, the document only provides references to the r= elated work driven outside its scope. >> [Med] Sure. I=92m referring to these three I-Ds. [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy] Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., Peng, S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "YANG Data Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K., and A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] [TS] : we acknowledge the inconsistency here. We will move these references= to informative in the next revision. Also, the language is not consistent for all cited solution drafts, e.g., An NRP Policy MAY include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as defined in [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] vs. [I-D.decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to repurpose the ELI/EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in order to minimize the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental deployment. I would remove the normative language for the text pointing to mspl4fa. [TS]: OK, will make sure the language is consistent for the cited drafts. Regards, Tarek From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 4:48 AM To: Tarek Saad , Lou Berger , TEAS W= G Cc: TEAS WG Chairs , draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@iet= f.org Subject: RE: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hi Tarek, Please see inline. Cheers, Med De : Teas De la part de Tarek Saad Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 f=E9vrier 2022 22:17 =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET ; Lou Berge= r ; TEAS WG Cc : TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ie= tf.org Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Thanks Med as usual for your feedback and comments. See inline for response= s. From: Teas > on behalf = of mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM To: Lou Berger >, TEAS WG > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs >, dra= ft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hi all, I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: (1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubuserconte= nt.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05= -rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated versio= n after that review, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of= these concerns with the latest version. (2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, = this would conflict with the scope set for the draft: [TS]: We have made a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parall= el with 2475 (glad you like it). This is meant to be a solution document --= the intent with the narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel a= nd then discuss the solution-specific details. [Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the draft are ** examples = ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identification). Other solutio= ns (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. If = we want the architecture to survive to individual solutions, an arch-orient= ed document has more merit. Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures an= d it is not clear if they apply to the generic architecture or to the speci= fic solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in =93offloading=94= specific solution details to these solution documents rather than having r= edundant discussion also included in this arch document. "The focus of this document is on the mechanisms required at the device level to address the requirements of network slicing in packet networks." This is even worse as the document says: A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slice-Flow Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forwarding treatment or NRP-PHB. One or more fields within the packet MAY be used as an FAS to do this. which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO. [TS]: No, it=92s definitely not the intent. [Med] Great. I hope this will be clarified in the text. What=92s stated is any router that needs enforce a specific SFA forwarding = treatment is required to associate the packets to a SFA. Routers that don= =92t need to enforce SFA forwarding treatment are not required to do so. We= 'll try to rephrase this as Joel put in his response. Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned. (3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data plan= e extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for example the work doc= umented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-networ= k-slices-instantation-02 [TS]: Indeed. The document describes a =91control plane only=92 slicing mod= e for network resources. In that case, the network resources are ma= naged in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements. (4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational. [TS]: We believe it should be standards track. There are a set of new const= ructs and behaviors that are introduced in the document. [Med] Given the parallel with 2475 (which is informational) and that this i= s *an* approach among others to realize slices, I maintain the comment. (5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS= Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks= " (6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology ... ag= nostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific details and ev= en normative references pointing to some "path control" mechanisms. [TS]: the document is not prescriptive on the technology of choice to estab= lish the transport paths. However, the concepts proposed, are applicable in= dependent of choice of technology. [Med] Glad to hear that. Having some text that echoes this reply would be g= reat. Thanks. (7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative. [TS]: it helps if you can provide a specific example. [Med] Sure. I=92m referring to these three I-Ds. [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy] Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., Peng, S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "YANG Data Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K., and A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] Also, the language is not consistent for all cited solution drafts, e.g., An NRP Policy MAY include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as defined in [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] vs. [I-D.decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to repurpose the ELI/EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in order to minimize the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental deployment. I would remove the normative language for the text pointing to mspl4fa. (8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think the inten= t is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated themselves, then a stat= e is needed to be maintained in the network about these individual slices (= at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggre= gate). If services are aggregated, then the optimization at the boundary de= vices is made possible. The "aggregation" information will need to be maint= ained in controllers. [Med] I hope the point is will be addressed. (9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)). [TS]: ack, we propose to update the above as follows: NEW: the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also maintain a mapping of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a SFA. (10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate. [TS]: indeed. The document does not preclude this option. We can add a stat= ement to make it explicit too. Regards, Tarek (for the co-authors) Thank you. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Teas > De la par= t de Lou Berger > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 f=E9vrier 2022 14:28 > =C0 : TEAS WG > > Cc : TEAS WG Chairs >; = draft-bestbar-teas-ns- > packet@ietf.org > Objet : [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r- > teas-ns-packet > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the > end of the day (any time zone) March 4. > > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Med,<= /span>

 

See below for follo= w-up responses.

 

>> = [Med] The individual= solutions that are cited in the draft are ** examples ** to achieve specif= ic features (e.g. global identification). Other solutions (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. If we= want the architecture to survive to individual solutions, an arch-oriented= document has more merit. Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures and = it is not clear if they apply to the generic architecture or to the specific solutions I-Ds cited in the dr= aft, I do see a value in =93offloading=94 specific solution details to thes= e solution documents rather than having redundant discussion also included = in this arch document.

[TS]: yes, the i= ntention is to discuss the protocol and/or dataplane extensions related to = the solution in separate documents (potentially driven at the respective WG= s). We can make sure any such details are not discussed in this document. At this time, the document only provid= es references to the related work driven outside its scope.

 

>> = [Med] Sure. I=92m referring to these three I-Ds.

 
 &nb=
sp;  [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy]

         =      Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., = Peng,

         =      S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "= YANG Data

         =      Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, In= ternet-Draft,

         =      draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 Octobe= r 2021,

         =      <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bestbar-= teas-yang-

         =      slice-policy-02.txt>.

 

   [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo]

         =      Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K= ., and

         =      A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work= in Progress,

         =      Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 Oc= tober

         =      2021, <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ie= tf-lsr-

         =      flex-algo-18.txt>.

 

   [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa]

 

[TS] : we a= cknowledge the inconsistency here. We will move these references to informa= tive in the next revision.

 

 

Also, the language is not consistent for all cited sol= ution drafts, e.g.,

 

      An NRP Policy MAY =
include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as
      defined in [I-D.ko=
mpella-mpls-mspl4fa]

 

vs.=

 

      [I-D.decraene-mpls=
-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to
      repurpose the ELI/=
EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in=
      order to minimize =
the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental
      deployment.

 

I would remove the normative language for the text poi= nting to mspl4fa.

[TS]: OK, will m= ake sure the language is consistent for the cited drafts.=

 

Regards,

Tarek

 

From: mohamed= .boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 4:48 AM
To: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@gmail.com>, Lou Berger <lberger@l= abn.net>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>, draft-bestbar-teas-= ns-packet@ietf.org <draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-0= 8

Hi Tarek,

 

Please see inline.

 

Cheers,

Med

 

De&n= bsp;: Teas <teas= -bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Tarek Saad
Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 f=E9vrier 2022 22:17
=C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.= com>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>=
Cc : TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar= -teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pack= et-08

 

Thanks Med as usual= for your feedback and comments. See inline for responses.

 

From: Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of mohamed.boucadair@orange.co= m <mohamed.boucadair= @orange.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.= net>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org= >
Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-= chairs@ietf.org>, draft-bestbar-teas= -ns-packet@ietf.org <draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-0= 8

Hi all,

I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: 

(1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/boucadair/IETF= -Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05-rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated version after that rev= iew, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of these concerns = with the latest version.

(2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, this would conflict with the scope= set for the draft:

[TS]: We have made = a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parallel with 2475 (glad = you like it). This is meant to be a solution document -- the intent with th= e narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel and then discuss the solution-specific details.

 

[Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the draft are ** exa= mples ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identification). Other s= olutions (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. If we want the architecture to survive to ind= ividual solutions, an arch-oriented document has more merit. Also, as there= are already 5 IPR disclosures and it is not clear if they apply to the gen= eric architecture or to the specific solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in =93offloading=94 sp= ecific solution details to these solution documents rather than having redu= ndant discussion also included in this arch document.


   "The focus of this document is on the
   mechanisms required at the device level to address the require= ments
   of network slicing in packet networks."

This is even worse as the document says: 

   A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slic= e-Flow
   Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forward= ing
   treatment or NRP-PHB.  One or more fields within the pack= et MAY be
   used as an FAS to do this.

which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO.

[TS]: No, it=92s de= finitely not the intent.

[Med] Great. I hope this will be clarified in the text.

 

What=92s stated is = any router that needs enforce a specific SFA forwarding treatment is requir= ed to associate the packets to a SFA. Routers that don=92t need to enforce = SFA forwarding treatment are not required to do so. We'll try to rephrase this as Joel put in his response.


Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned.

(3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data= plane extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for = example the work documented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-network-slices-ins= tantation-02

[TS]: Indeed. The d= ocument describes a =91control plane only=92 slicing mode for network resources. In that case, the network resources= are managed in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements= .

 


(4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational.

 

[TS]: We believe it= should be standards track. There are a set of new constructs and behaviors= that are introduced in the document.

[Med] Given the parallel with 2475 (which is informational) and that = this is *an* approach among others to realize slices, I maintain the commen= t.



(5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP= /MPLS Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in I= P/MPLS Networks"

(6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology .= .. agnostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific deta= ils and even normative references pointing to some "path control"= mechanisms.

 

[TS]: the document is not prescriptive on the technology of cho= ice to establish the transport paths. However, the concepts proposed, are a= pplicable independent of choice of technology.

[Med] Glad to hear that. Having some t= ext that echoes this reply would be great. Thanks.


(7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative.

[TS]: it helps if y= ou can provide a specific example.

[Med] Sure. I=92m referring to these three I-Ds. 
 
 &nb=
sp;  [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy]

         =      Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., = Peng,

         =      S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "= YANG Data

         =      Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, In= ternet-Draft,

         =      draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 Octobe= r 2021,

         =      <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bestbar-= teas-yang-

         =      slice-policy-02.txt>.

 

   [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo]

         =      Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K= ., and

         =      A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work= in Progress,

         =      Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 Oc= tober

         =      2021, <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ie= tf-lsr-

         =      flex-algo-18.txt>.

 

   [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa]

 

Also, the language is not consistent for all cited sol= ution drafts, e.g.,

 

      An NRP Policy MAY =
include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as
      defined in [I-D.ko=
mpella-mpls-mspl4fa]

 

vs.=

 

      [I-D.decraene-mpls=
-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to
      repurpose the ELI/=
EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in=
      order to minimize =
the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental
      deployment.

 

I would remove the normative language for the text poi= nting to mspl4fa.


(8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think= the intent is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated the= mselves, then a state is needed to be maintained in the network about these= individual slices (at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggregate). If services are aggregated,= then the optimization at the boundary devices is made possible. The "= aggregation" information will need to be maintained in controllers.


[Med] I hope the point is will be addressed.


(9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., <= br>
      the mapping of one or more IETF network slic= es to a
      Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
      Controller.

This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)).

 

[TS]: ack, we propo= se to update the above as follows:

 

NEW:

   &= nbsp;  the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a
      Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
      Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also main= tain a mapping

   &= nbsp;  of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a SFA.



(10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate.

[TS]: indeed. The d= ocument does not preclude this option. We can add a statement to make it ex= plicit too.

 

Regards,

Tarek (for the co-a= uthors)

 


Thank you.

Cheers,
Med

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boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0149_01D828F1.210A6B70" ------=_NextPart_001_0149_01D828F1.210A6B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gyan, =20 Long after you did your review of version 11 of this document, I have = been trying to apply your changes to my working copy of version 14. =20 Many of the changes are simple editorial things and are easily accepted. = A few of those are rejected as matters of personal style or RFC Editor = practice. =20 A number of clarifications or expansions were also easy to deal with. =20 That leaves us with a few larger issues. =20 The biggest one was whether to change the draft from =E2=80=9COverview = and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D to = =E2=80=9COverview and Principles of Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D. I = raised this at IETF-112 and said I would take silence as meaning = =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t make the change.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t think I = saw anything on the list as a result, an I believe that means we stay as = we are and continue the use of the term originally present in RFC 3272. =20 That position has consequences for some of your more detailed comments. = In particular you wanted to =E2=80=9Cto be inclusive of public internet = and close or restricted mpls domain private traffic = engineering.=E2=80=9D Personally, I think this is interpreting = =E2=80=9CInternet traffic engineering=E2=80=9D the wrong way: it is not = supposed to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering that only operates across = the whole Internet,=E2=80=9D but to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering = techniques used within any part or parts of the Internet.=E2=80=9D I = think this is clarified near the top of the Introduction with = =E2=80=9CEven though Internet traffic engineering is most effective when = applied end-to-end, the focus of this document is traffic engineering = within a given domain (such as an autonomous system).=E2=80=9D=20 =20 This cuts into your proposed change to the Abstract, but there you also = suggested a change from =E2=80=9CThe document is intended to promote = better understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP = networks and the networks that support IP networking,=E2=80=9D to say = that the =E2=80=9CThe document is intended to promote a better = understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering of customer = IP flow forensics and the transport networks that support these IP = flows.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t know how you would traffic engineer an = IP flow forensic. Maybe that word is stray, and you just mean = =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering of customer IP flows=E2=80=9D but I think = that is looking at traffic flows and TE wrongly =E2=80=93 the TE process = doesn=E2=80=99t care whether the traffic is a customer flow or anything = else: it is just traffic flows. =20 In the Introduction you also wanted to move away from =E2=80=9CTE in the = Internet=E2=80=9D to list out the different networks in which you can = use TE. I think we stay as we are: we are Internet Engineering Task = Force. =20 You proposed some pretty sizeable changes to the first two paragraphs of = Section 1.1. I don=E2=80=99t find anything factually incorrect in what = you have written, but it doesn=E2=80=99t seem the right place to be = saying it. This section is a fairly abstract discussion of what TE is, = while you have set out some specific descriptions of how routing and TE = work with references to protocols, etc. I tried to find a better place = in the document for your text, but it didn=E2=80=99t seem to sit = comfortably anywhere. =20 In the RSVP section (was 4.1.3) you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth = mentioning that one of the scalability issues that lead to the advent of = SR intent based traffic steering and elimination of state. L3 VPN / VRF = to RSVP-TE tunnel mapping requiring a loopback and next hop re-write = with a static routing to map a VRF to a RSVP-TE tunnel which does not = scale. With SR SR-TE we now have scalable per VRF and per flow steering = capability.=E2=80=9D Without debating what you say or denigrating any = implementations, I think that the purpose of these sections is to = describe the basic functions of each of the techniques, not to trade off = one against the other. It is possible that we could find a home for this = text in the section on =E2=80=9COverview of Contemporary TE Practices in = Operational IP Networks,=E2=80=9D but that section is quite pithy and to = the point, so what I have done is reduce this to the simple =E2=80=9Cand = this may have configuration and operational scaling benefits=E2=80=9D in = the paragraph on SR. =20 For the section on Differentiated Services (was 4.1.4) I have not put in = discussion of DiffServ-TE and the various pipe models because this = section is about just DiffServ. I have, however, put in a pointer to the = section on DiffServ-TE. =20 Your comment about the MPLS section (was 4.1.6) is long and shows your = experience using MPLS in the real world. The section is intended to = introduce the basic concepts of MPLS, provide references for more = detail, and then observe why MPLS is a useful tool for TE. You suggested = adding two points: 1. The first point is about MPLS signaling protocols and how RSVP-TE is = preferred over LDP for path steering and IGP bypass. The current text = references the requirements for TE over MPLS and points at RSVP-TE. I = think that=E2=80=99s enough and we really don=E2=80=99t need to talk = about other signaling for MPLS networks that doesn=E2=80=99t provide a = tool for TE. We could, of course, look to the section on = =E2=80=9CRecommendations for Internet Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D and = see whether there is something extra we can say there (although I still = don=E2=80=99t think that mentioning non-TE mechanisms is something we = need to do). 2. The second point is about the softwire mesh framework (RFC 5565). = Unless I am mistaken, softwires form an overlay of virtual adjacencies. = There is no TE control in the underlay, but the overlay may select = between softwires using any form of routing, configuration, or TE. The = selection policies offered in 5565 are fairly simple, but there is a = note that more complicated policies could be used, so I suppose TE in = the overlay is possible, but I=E2=80=99m not sure that that is any = different from TE in that overlay network in the case where the = softwires are replaced by physical links: and that, of course, is = already covered in the document. =20 In the GMPLS section (was 4.1.7) you suggest mentioning MPLS-TP. I = wonder what specifically needs to be mentioned in this context. If what = you are after is a note that GMPLS control protocols support = packet-switched networks, then that is already there. If, on the other = hand, you want to call out MPLS-TP as a variant of MPLS, we should = probably put that in the MPLS section. But, and for whatever my opinion = is worth, I don=E2=80=99t think MPLS-TP ever amounted to more than an = operational way of viewing MPLS networks with a combination of = configuration, enhanced OAM, and enhanced control planes. While = =E2=80=9CMPLS-TP=E2=80=9D seems to be mentioned in more than 80 RFCs, is = it ever anything except =E2=80=9Cusing MPLS to provide a transport for = other protocols in a way that looks like a lower-layer transport = network=E2=80=9D? =20 In the section on Routing Recommendations (was 6.2) you say (for the = bullet on ECMP). * =E2=80=9CMention IPv4 is based on uneven flow based load balancing = which is subject to polarization of flow due to high bandwidth flows = being hashed to the same path.=E2=80=9D Isn=E2=80=99t this exactly what the paragraph in the document says about = general hash-based load balancing? The other comments on this section have been incorporated. =20 For the section on Protection Options (was 6.5.2), but possibly = applicable across the whole of the section on Network Survivability (was = section 6.5), you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning the technology = RSVP-TE & SR and its protection schemes available as we as IGP unicast = routing local protection via IP-LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA.=E2=80=9D * MPLS-FRR is already mentioned higher up. It is definitely a form of = TE. * I=E2=80=99ve added a mention and reference for TI-LFA at around the = same place. * Are the local protection schemes in the IGPs actually forms of TE, or = are they IGP alternate routes? I=E2=80=99m not really sure. =20 That all looks like a lot of negative stuff, but that is because = I=E2=80=99ve only commented on the things not done. Lots of good stuff = folded in. =20 Cheers, Adrian =20 =20 From: Gyan Mishra =20 Sent: 27 May 2021 04:53 To: Mohamed BOUCADAIR Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt =20 Hi Adrian =20 Attached is the review of 3272bis version 11 word document with = comments along the side. =20 I added some verbiage in the abstract & introduction section describing = the three operator environments that exist 1. Public internet, 2. = Private domain with external customers, 3. Internal corporate intranet = domain Throughout the draft I changed "internet traffic engineering" to = "traffic engineering" as there are three unique use cases of traffic = engineering which I described each in detail. =20 =20 Also once "traffic engineering (TE) referred to traffic engineering as = "TE" is noted I believe my comment is in the intro section that we = should not have to spell TE out explicitly each time throughout the = draft except when a sentence starts with "traffic engineering". =20 =20 Some minor comments throughout the draft. =20 =20 Under the protection section I mentioned local protection which I think = should be mentioned LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA. =20 =20 Section 6.2 - I had some comments related to ECMP that if you would like = I can do a write-up on ECMP. =20 =20 Under 4.1.16 SR-MPLS is mentioned but not SRv6 so I thought it may be = worthwhile to mention SRv6 as uses SR-TE steering even though not mpls = based but as another form of steering using IPv6 data plane.=20 =20 Lastly, =20 I noticed Multicast was not mentioned under IETF projects section or = anywhere else in the draft. I can add some verbiage to a section and = talk about P2MP TE & replication sid. I did not comment on this in the = draft as no multicast section exists. =20 Kind Regards =20 Gyan =20 On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 11:26 AM Gyan Mishra > wrote: =20 Hi Adrian=20 =20 I see you published a version 12. I went through all of MEDs updates in = version 11 and ensured that my updates are mutually exclusive no overlap = of MEDs updates. =20 =20 I built my updated on version 11. I am almost done and will send out = tomorrow night. =20 Thanks=20 =20 Gyan =20 On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM > wrote: Hi Adrian,=20 Thank you for the replies. Here is some few follow-up points: * s/within the control plane or by controllers/within the control or = management plane * "I'm not clear about the term "resource-based access control". Do you = mean "policing"? If so, yes. Policing is mentioned just two sentences = later" I actually meant resource-based admission control. This is now covered = by the new section you added. Thanks.=20 * " The word "economically" is, I think, giving you a different meaning = to what is intended. I think the word is not intended to just mean = "financially economical", but also to mean "not wasteful or profligate." = This is similar to "efficient", but not the same. In this context, = "economically" would certainly apply to power use, money, and any other = resource. I spent a little time trying to think of an equivalent word (because if = it is causing you unrest, it will do the same for other readers), but I = was unable to think of one.":=20 The concern I had is that the observed behavior is conditioned by the = metrics/attributes/information that can be disseminated and acted upon. = Optimizing the forwarding with a set of metrics as inputs does not = guarantee that the overall forwarding is economically-optimized. That's = why I provided the example of power-consumption. Such optimization is = not currently supported at the level of a network (despite that some = optimization can be made at the node/card level). Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk = ] > Envoy=C3=A9 : samedi 15 mai 2021 19:40 > =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN > > Objet : RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >=20 > Here's the file. >=20 > Many thanks for looking at this. >=20 > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel = > > Sent: 15 May 2021 18:11 > To: 'mohamed.boucadair@orange.com = ' >; > 'teas@ietf.org ' > > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' > > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >=20 > Hi Med, >=20 > Thanks for all of your comments. >=20 > Nearly everything is accepted and included. >=20 > Not sure the best way to respond to your Word file, so I embedded my > responses and I'll send it to you under separate cover (no need to > spam the mailing list). >=20 > There'll be a -12 along soon to capture your improvements. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com = > > Sent: 03 May 2021 15:49 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk ; teas@ietf.org = =20 > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' > > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt >=20 > Hi Adrian, all, >=20 > FWIW, you may find some comments at: > * pdf: > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft- > ietf-teas > -rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.pdf > * doc: > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/master/draft- > ietf-teas- > rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.docx >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org = ] De la part de Adrian > Farrel > > Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 7 avril 2021 21:24 =C3=80 : teas@ietf.org = Cc : 'TEAS > WG > > Chairs' > Objet = : Re: [Teas] I-D Action: > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > With this version I have filled in the remaining TBDs: > > - small section on intent-based network > > - small section on multi-layer TE (thanks, Lou, for the suggestion) > > - change log from 3272 > > > > As far as I'm concerned this document is complete modulo review > > comments. > > > > It *really* needs review, but I can't force you! > > Maybe you can look at the sections of special interest to you? > > Maybe the original Design Team could take another look? > > > > Otherwise: time for WG last call? > > > > Thanks, > > Adrian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: I-D-Announce > On Behalf Of > > internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 > > Sent: 07 April 2021 19:25 > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org =20 > > Cc: teas@ietf.org =20 > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture > and > > Signaling WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : Overview and Principles of Internet > Traffic > > Engineering > > Author : Adrian Farrel > > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > Pages : 91 > > Date : 2021-04-07 > > > > Abstract: > > This document describes the principles of traffic engineering > (TE) > > in > > the Internet. The document is intended to promote better > > understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in > IP > > networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to > > provide > > a common basis for the development of traffic engineering > > capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, > and > > methodologies for performance evaluation and performance > > optimization > > of operational networks are also discussed. > > > > This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. This > > document > > obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text > in > > line with best current practices for Internet traffic > engineering > > and > > to include references to the latest relevant work in the IETF. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > tools.ietf.org . > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org =20 > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org =20 > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >=20 > _____________________________________________________________________ > _______ > _____________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Gyan,

 

Long after = you did your review of version 11 of this document, I have been trying = to apply your changes to my working copy of version = 14.

 

Many of the = changes are simple editorial things and are easily accepted. A few of = those are rejected as matters of personal style or RFC Editor = practice.

 

A number of = clarifications or expansions were also easy to deal = with.

 

That leaves = us with a few larger issues.

 

The biggest = one was whether to change the draft from =E2=80=9COverview and Principles of Internet Traffic = Engineering=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9COverview and Principles of Traffic = Engineering=E2=80=9D. I raised this = at IETF-112 and said I would take silence as meaning = =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t make the change.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t think I = saw anything on the list as a result, an I believe that means we stay as = we are and continue the use of the term originally present in RFC = 3272.

 

That position has = consequences for some of your more detailed comments. In particular you = wanted to =E2=80=9Cto be inclusive of public internet and close = or restricted mpls domain private traffic engineering.=E2=80=9D = Personally, I think this is interpreting =E2=80=9CInternet traffic = engineering=E2=80=9D the wrong way: it is not supposed to mean = =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering that only operates across the whole = Internet,=E2=80=9D but to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering techniques = used within any part or parts of the Internet.=E2=80=9D I think this is = clarified near the top of the Introduction with =E2=80=9CEven though Internet traffic engineering is most = effective when applied end-to-end, the focus of this document is traffic = engineering within a given domain (such as an autonomous = system).=E2=80=9D

 

This cuts = into your proposed change to the Abstract, but there you also suggested = a change from =E2=80=9CThe document is = intended to promote better understanding of the issues surrounding = traffic engineering in IP networks and the networks that support IP = networking,=E2=80=9D to say that the =E2=80=9CThe document is = intended to promote a better understanding of the issues surrounding = traffic engineering of customer IP flow forensics and the transport = networks that support these IP flows.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t = know how you would traffic engineer an IP flow forensic. Maybe that word = is stray, and you just mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering of customer IP = flows=E2=80=9D but I think that is looking at traffic flows and TE = wrongly =E2=80=93 the TE process doesn=E2=80=99t care whether the = traffic is a customer flow or anything else: it is just traffic = flows.

 

In the Introduction you also wanted to move away from = =E2=80=9CTE in the Internet=E2=80=9D to list out the different networks = in which you can use TE. I think we stay as we are: we are Internet = Engineering Task Force.

 

You proposed = some pretty sizeable changes to the first two paragraphs of Section 1.1. = I don=E2=80=99t find anything factually incorrect in what you have = written, but it doesn=E2=80=99t seem the right place to be saying it. = This section is a fairly abstract discussion of what TE is, while you = have set out some specific descriptions of how routing and TE work with = references to protocols, etc. I tried to find a better place in the = document for your text, but it didn=E2=80=99t seem to sit comfortably = anywhere.

 

In the RSVP section=C2=A0 (was 4.1.3) you say: = =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning that one of the scalability issues that = lead to the advent of SR intent based traffic steering and elimination = of state. L3 VPN / VRF to RSVP-TE tunnel mapping requiring a loopback = and next hop re-write with a static routing to map a VRF to a RSVP-TE = tunnel which does not scale.=C2=A0 With SR SR-TE we now have scalable = per VRF and per flow steering capability.=E2=80=9D Without debating what = you say or denigrating any implementations, I think that the purpose of = these sections is to describe the basic functions of each of the = techniques, not to trade off one against the other. It is possible that = we could find a home for this text in the section on =E2=80=9COverview = of Contemporary TE Practices in Operational IP Networks,=E2=80=9D but = that section is quite pithy and to the point, so what I have done is = reduce this to the simple =E2=80=9Cand this may have configuration and = operational scaling benefits=E2=80=9D in the paragraph on = SR.

 

For the section on Differentiated Services (was 4.1.4) = I have not put in discussion of DiffServ-TE and the various pipe models = because this section is about just DiffServ. I have, however, put in a = pointer to the section on DiffServ-TE.

 

Your comment = about the MPLS section (was 4.1.6) is long and shows your experience = using MPLS in the real world. The section is intended to introduce the = basic concepts of MPLS, provide references for more detail, and then = observe why MPLS is a useful tool for TE. You suggested adding two = points:

  1. The first point is = about MPLS signaling protocols and how RSVP-TE is preferred over LDP for = path steering and IGP bypass. The current text references the = requirements for TE over MPLS and points at RSVP-TE. I think = that=E2=80=99s enough and we really don=E2=80=99t need to talk about = other signaling for MPLS networks that doesn=E2=80=99t provide a tool = for TE. We could, of course, look to the section on = =E2=80=9CRecommendations for Internet Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D and = see whether there is something extra we can say there (although I still = don=E2=80=99t think that mentioning non-TE mechanisms is something we = need to do).
  2. The second point is = about the softwire mesh framework (RFC 5565). Unless I am mistaken, = softwires form an overlay of virtual adjacencies. There is no TE control = in the underlay, but the overlay may select between softwires using any = form of routing, configuration, or TE. The selection policies offered in = 5565 are fairly simple, but there is a note that more complicated = policies could be used, so I suppose TE in the overlay is possible, but = I=E2=80=99m not sure that that is any different from TE in that overlay = network in the case where the softwires are replaced by physical links: = and that, of course, is already covered in the = document.

 

In the GMPLS = section (was 4.1.7) you suggest mentioning MPLS-TP. I wonder what = specifically needs to be mentioned in this context. If what you are = after is a note that GMPLS control protocols support packet-switched = networks, then that is already there. If, on the other hand, you want to = call out MPLS-TP as a variant of MPLS, we should probably put that in = the MPLS section. But, and for whatever my opinion is worth, I = don=E2=80=99t think MPLS-TP ever amounted to more than an operational = way of viewing MPLS networks with a combination of configuration, = enhanced OAM, and enhanced control planes. While = =E2=80=9CMPLS-TP=E2=80=9D seems to be mentioned in more than 80 RFCs, is = it ever anything except =E2=80=9Cusing MPLS to provide a transport for = other protocols in a way that looks like a lower-layer transport = network=E2=80=9D?

 

In the = section on Routing Recommendations (was 6.2) you say (for the bullet on = ECMP).

  • =E2=80=9CMention IPv4 is based on uneven flow based load balancing = which is subject to polarization of flow due to high bandwidth flows = being hashed to the same path.=E2=80=9D
    Isn=E2=80=99t this exactly = what the paragraph in the document says about general hash-based load = balancing?

The other comments = on this section have been incorporated.

 

For the = section on Protection Options (was 6.5.2), but possibly applicable = across the whole of the section on Network Survivability (was section = 6.5), you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning the technology RSVP-TE = & SR and its protection schemes available as we as IGP unicast = routing local protection via IP-LFA, RLFA, = TI-LFA.=E2=80=9D

  • MPLS-FRR is already = mentioned higher up. It is definitely a form of TE.
  • I=E2=80=99ve added a mention and reference for TI-LFA at around = the same place.
  • Are the local = protection schemes in the IGPs actually forms of TE, or are they IGP = alternate routes? I=E2=80=99m not really sure.

 

That all looks like a lot of = negative stuff, but that is because I=E2=80=99ve only commented on the = things not done. Lots of good stuff folded in.

 

Cheers,

Adrian

 

 

From: Gyan Mishra = <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Sent: 27 May 2021 = 04:53
To: Mohamed BOUCADAIR = <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; = teas@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt

 

Hi = Adrian

 

Attached is the review of 3272bis version 11  = word document with comments along the side.

 

I = added some verbiage in the abstract & introduction section = describing the three operator environments that exist 1. Public = internet, 2. Private domain with external customers, 3. Internal = corporate intranet domain

Throughout the draft I changed "internet traffic = engineering" to "traffic engineering" as there are three = unique use cases of traffic engineering which I described each in = detail.   

 

Also once "traffic engineering (TE) referred = to traffic engineering as "TE"  is noted I believe my = comment is in the intro section that we should not have to spell TE = out explicitly each time throughout the draft except when a = sentence starts with "traffic = engineering".  

 

Some minor comments throughout the = draft.  

 

Under the protection section I mentioned local = protection which I think should be mentioned LFA, RLFA, = TI-LFA.  

 

Section 6.2 - I had some comments related to ECMP = that if you would like I can do a write-up on = ECMP.  

 

Under 4.1.16 SR-MPLS is mentioned but not SRv6 so I = thought it may be worthwhile to mention SRv6 as uses SR-TE steering even = though not mpls based but as another form of steering using IPv6 data = plane. 

 

Lastly,

 

I noticed Multicast was not mentioned under IETF = projects section or anywhere else in the draft. I can add some verbiage = to a section and talk about P2MP TE & replication sid.  I did = not comment on this in the draft as no multicast section = exists.

 

Kind Regards

 

Gyan

 

On = Sat, May 22, 2021 at 11:26 AM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> = wrote:

 

Hi Adrian 

 

I = see you published a version 12.  I went through all of MEDs updates = in version 11 and ensured that my updates are mutually exclusive no = overlap of MEDs updates.  

 

I = built my updated on version 11.  I am almost done and will send out = tomorrow night.

 

Thanks 

 

Gyan

 

On = Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> = wrote:

Hi = Adrian,

Thank you for the replies. Here is some few follow-up = points:

* s/within the control plane or by controllers/within the = control or management plane

* "I'm not clear about the term = "resource-based access control". Do you mean = "policing"? If so, yes. Policing is mentioned just two = sentences later"

I actually meant resource-based admission = control. This is now covered by the new section you added. Thanks. =

* " The word "economically" is, I think, giving = you a different meaning to what is intended. I think the word is not = intended to just mean "financially economical", but also to = mean "not wasteful or profligate." This is similar to = "efficient", but not the same. In this context, = "economically" would certainly apply to power use, money, and = any other resource.
I spent a little time trying to think of an = equivalent word (because if it is causing you unrest, it will do the = same for other readers), but I was unable to think of one.": =

The concern I had is that the observed behavior is conditioned = by the metrics/attributes/information that can be disseminated and acted = upon. Optimizing the forwarding with a set of metrics as inputs does not = guarantee that the overall forwarding is economically-optimized. That's = why I provided the example of power-consumption. Such optimization is = not currently supported at the level of a network (despite that some = optimization can be made at the node/card = level).

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message = d'origine-----
> De : Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
> Envoy=C3=A9 : = samedi 15 mai 2021 19:40
> =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN = <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> = Objet : RE: [Teas] I-D Action: = draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
>
> Here's the = file.
>
> Many thanks for looking at this.
>
> = Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian = Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
> Sent: 15 May 2021 = 18:11
> To: 'mohamed.boucadair@orange.com' <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>;
> 'teas@ietf.org' = <teas@ietf.org>
> Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' = <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: = [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
>
> Hi = Med,
>
> Thanks for all of your comments.
>
> = Nearly everything is accepted and included.
>
> Not sure = the best way to respond to your Word file, so I embedded my
> = responses and I'll send it to you under separate cover (no need = to
> spam the mailing list).
>
> There'll be a -12 = along soon to capture your improvements.
>
> Best,
> = Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> Sent: 03 = May 2021 15:49
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
> Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: RE: = [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
>
> Hi = Adrian, all,
>
> FWIW, you may find some comments = at:
> * pdf:
> https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/m= aster/draft-
> ietf-teas
> = -rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.pdf
> * doc:
> https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/ma= ster/draft-
> ietf-teas-
> = rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.docx
>
> Cheers,
> = Med
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > = De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de = Adrian
> Farrel
> > Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 7 avril = 2021 21:24 =C3=80 : teas@ietf.org Cc : 'TEAS
> WG
> = > Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org> Objet : Re: [Teas] = I-D Action:
> > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
> = >
> > With this version I have filled in the remaining = TBDs:
> > - small section on intent-based network
> > = - small section on multi-layer TE (thanks, Lou, for the = suggestion)
> > - change log from 3272
> >
> = > As far as I'm concerned this document is complete modulo = review
> > comments.
> >
> > It *really* = needs review, but I can't force you!
> > Maybe you can look at = the sections of special interest to you?
> > Maybe the original = Design Team could take another look?
> >
> > = Otherwise: time for WG last call?
> >
> > = Thanks,
> > Adrian
> >
> > -----Original = Message-----
> > From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf = Of
> > internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > Sent: 07 = April 2021 19:25
> > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
> > Cc: teas@ietf.org
> > Subject: I-D Action: = draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
> >
> >
> > = A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts
> > directories.
> > This draft is a = work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture
> and
> = > Signaling WG of the IETF.
> >
> >    =      Title           : = Overview and Principles of Internet
> Traffic
> > = Engineering
> >         Author  =         : Adrian Farrel
> >    =  Filename        : = draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
> >    =  Pages           : 91
> = >     Date            : = 2021-04-07
> >
> > Abstract:
> >    = This document describes the principles of traffic engineering
> = (TE)
> > in
> >    the Internet.  The = document is intended to promote better
> >    = understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in
> = IP
> >    networks and the networks that support IP = networking, and to
> > provide
> >    a = common basis for the development of traffic engineering
> = >    capabilities for the Internet.  The principles, = architectures,
> and
> >    methodologies for = performance evaluation and performance
> > optimization
> = >    of operational networks are also discussed.
> = >
> >    This work was first published as RFC 3272 = in May 2002.  This
> > document
> >    = obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text
> = in
> >    line with best current practices for = Internet traffic
> engineering
> > and
> >  =   to include references to the latest relevant work in the = IETF.
> >
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status = page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc327= 2bis/
> >
> > There are also htmlized versions = available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-= 11
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-r= fc3272bis-11
> >
> > A diff from the previous = version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rfc= 3272bis-11
> >
> >
> > Please note that = it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission = until the htmlized version and diff are available at
> > tools.ietf.org.
> >
> > = Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> = >
> >
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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering Author : Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt Pages : 93 Date : 2022-02-23 Abstract: This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) in the Internet. The document is intended to promote better understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to provide a common basis for the development of traffic engineering capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, and methodologies for performance evaluation and performance optimization of operational networks are also discussed. This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. 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The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/ There is also an htmlized version available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14 Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts From nobody Wed Feb 23 12:32:19 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB113A0B57 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 12:32:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pyhxny65IwM9 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 12:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com (mta6.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B89F3A0A16 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 12:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 21NKW4FC028912 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:04 GMT Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50E84604B for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95A64604A for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.224]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([148.252.132.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 21NKW2mG020945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:04 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <164564808383.28603.7186062312487278298@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <164564808383.28603.7186062312487278298@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:02 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <015701d828f4$6b7c9e50$4275daf0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQIBZrPayt8zOH02eZb4f7mcdIM3IKxPGuQQ Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 148.252.132.193 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.1.0.2090-8.6.0.1018-26734.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--22.097-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--22.097-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.1.0.2090-8.6.1018-26734.002 X-TMASE-Result: 10--22.096900-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: +f/wAVSGjujxIbpQ8BhdbLPx3rO+jk2Q9lt4BAQuIFTPlmI4N1s8iuOj 4DfnnaWN7XjA6blEVJVtHrSoC26f5GhqL4Ri8zeWQQ5+hY6u+45V3SXxvKR9IvIbTI2Z+6CqOvP q8HDlJIDrME+4JvD76XHJNchwsNYc7jTtcyq422bkNIw8RlACQxyZZXVVr0zuT9xG+Pmy0/rJk9 fwk2rPSRRkYSyuOM5OIc8bjtTNvcg1BRoXCmaSMLU+IyHhkXf1T5ysQDj6eFmAI7Mvq/sL5+EmR OSC5Th4a7j80yrsQslJ9iwir5XT1R3KilrpmSwSngIgpj8eDcC063Wh9WVqgqbyPFGTn+O4OeLY FhdUjW50HSe131POnuJGF26G8SWy5yM0c1ktj9M= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:32:15 -0000 I know you've not been able to sleep for the last four months, waiting (as you have been) with barely contained enthusiasm for the next revision of this draft. Thanks for this revision go to Med and Gyan. They both submitted substantial comments. I addressed most of Med's comments in -13, but this revision completes on the points Med raised and handles yan's review modulo the email I just sent. Best, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Teas On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 23 February 2022 20:28 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: teas@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering Author : Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt Pages : 93 Date : 2022-02-23 Abstract: This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) in the Internet. The document is intended to promote better understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to provide a common basis for the development of traffic engineering capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, and methodologies for performance evaluation and performance optimization of operational networks are also discussed. This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. This document obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text in line with best current practices for Internet traffic engineering and to include references to the latest relevant work in the IETF. 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As for local protection aka IPFRR (xLFA), it is what you said - local protec= tion (link/node) throughout loop-free alternative, not TE (one might argue t= hat LFA computation might include additional inputs, such as SRLG,etc), whic= h makes it =E2=80=9Csomewhat=E2=80=9D TE but it is still LFA (perhaps constr= ained LFA) computation. Cheers, Jeff > On Feb 23, 2022, at 12:08, Adrian Farrel wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Gyan, > =20 > Long after you did your review of version 11 of this document, I have been= trying to apply your changes to my working copy of version 14. > =20 > Many of the changes are simple editorial things and are easily accepted. A= few of those are rejected as matters of personal style or RFC Editor practi= ce. > =20 > A number of clarifications or expansions were also easy to deal with. > =20 > That leaves us with a few larger issues. > =20 > The biggest one was whether to change the draft from =E2=80=9COverview and= Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9COverview an= d Principles of Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D. I raised this at IETF-112 and s= aid I would take silence as meaning =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t make the change.=E2= =80=9D I don=E2=80=99t think I saw anything on the list as a result, an I be= lieve that means we stay as we are and continue the use of the term original= ly present in RFC 3272. > =20 > That position has consequences for some of your more detailed comments. In= particular you wanted to =E2=80=9Cto be inclusive of public internet and cl= ose or restricted mpls domain private traffic engineering.=E2=80=9D Personal= ly, I think this is interpreting =E2=80=9CInternet traffic engineering=E2=80= =9D the wrong way: it is not supposed to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering t= hat only operates across the whole Internet,=E2=80=9D but to mean =E2=80=9Ct= raffic engineering techniques used within any part or parts of the Internet.= =E2=80=9D I think this is clarified near the top of the Introduction with =E2= =80=9CEven though Internet traffic engineering is most effective when applie= d end-to-end, the focus of this document is traffic engineering within a giv= en domain (such as an autonomous system).=E2=80=9D > =20 > This cuts into your proposed change to the Abstract, but there you also su= ggested a change from =E2=80=9CThe document is intended to promote better un= derstanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP networks and= the networks that support IP networking,=E2=80=9D to say that the =E2=80=9C= The document is intended to promote a better understanding of the issues sur= rounding traffic engineering of customer IP flow forensics and the transport= networks that support these IP flows.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t know how yo= u would traffic engineer an IP flow forensic. Maybe that word is stray, and y= ou just mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering of customer IP flows=E2=80=9D but I= think that is looking at traffic flows and TE wrongly =E2=80=93 the TE proc= ess doesn=E2=80=99t care whether the traffic is a customer flow or anything e= lse: it is just traffic flows. > =20 > In the Introduction you also wanted to move away from =E2=80=9CTE in the I= nternet=E2=80=9D to list out the different networks in which you can use TE.= I think we stay as we are: we are Internet Engineering Task Force. > =20 > You proposed some pretty sizeable changes to the first two paragraphs of S= ection 1.1. I don=E2=80=99t find anything factually incorrect in what you ha= ve written, but it doesn=E2=80=99t seem the right place to be saying it. Thi= s section is a fairly abstract discussion of what TE is, while you have set o= ut some specific descriptions of how routing and TE work with references to p= rotocols, etc. I tried to find a better place in the document for your text,= but it didn=E2=80=99t seem to sit comfortably anywhere. > =20 > In the RSVP section (was 4.1.3) you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning t= hat one of the scalability issues that lead to the advent of SR intent based= traffic steering and elimination of state. L3 VPN / VRF to RSVP-TE tunnel m= apping requiring a loopback and next hop re-write with a static routing to m= ap a VRF to a RSVP-TE tunnel which does not scale. With SR SR-TE we now hav= e scalable per VRF and per flow steering capability.=E2=80=9D Without debati= ng what you say or denigrating any implementations, I think that the purpose= of these sections is to describe the basic functions of each of the techniq= ues, not to trade off one against the other. It is possible that we could fi= nd a home for this text in the section on =E2=80=9COverview of Contemporary T= E Practices in Operational IP Networks,=E2=80=9D but that section is quite p= ithy and to the point, so what I have done is reduce this to the simple =E2=80= =9Cand this may have configuration and operational scaling benefits=E2=80=9D= in the paragraph on SR. > =20 > For the section on Differentiated Services (was 4.1.4) I have not put in d= iscussion of DiffServ-TE and the various pipe models because this section is= about just DiffServ. I have, however, put in a pointer to the section on Di= ffServ-TE. > =20 > Your comment about the MPLS section (was 4.1.6) is long and shows your exp= erience using MPLS in the real world. The section is intended to introduce t= he basic concepts of MPLS, provide references for more detail, and then obse= rve why MPLS is a useful tool for TE. You suggested adding two points: > The first point is about MPLS signaling protocols and how RSVP-TE is prefe= rred over LDP for path steering and IGP bypass. The current text references t= he requirements for TE over MPLS and points at RSVP-TE. I think that=E2=80=99= s enough and we really don=E2=80=99t need to talk about other signaling for M= PLS networks that doesn=E2=80=99t provide a tool for TE. We could, of course= , look to the section on =E2=80=9CRecommendations for Internet Traffic Engin= eering=E2=80=9D and see whether there is something extra we can say there (a= lthough I still don=E2=80=99t think that mentioning non-TE mechanisms is som= ething we need to do). > The second point is about the softwire mesh framework (RFC 5565). Unless I= am mistaken, softwires form an overlay of virtual adjacencies. There is no T= E control in the underlay, but the overlay may select between softwires usin= g any form of routing, configuration, or TE. The selection policies offered i= n 5565 are fairly simple, but there is a note that more complicated policies= could be used, so I suppose TE in the overlay is possible, but I=E2=80=99m n= ot sure that that is any different from TE in that overlay network in the ca= se where the softwires are replaced by physical links: and that, of course, i= s already covered in the document. > =20 > In the GMPLS section (was 4.1.7) you suggest mentioning MPLS-TP. I wonder w= hat specifically needs to be mentioned in this context. If what you are afte= r is a note that GMPLS control protocols support packet-switched networks, t= hen that is already there. If, on the other hand, you want to call out MPLS-= TP as a variant of MPLS, we should probably put that in the MPLS section. Bu= t, and for whatever my opinion is worth, I don=E2=80=99t think MPLS-TP ever a= mounted to more than an operational way of viewing MPLS networks with a comb= ination of configuration, enhanced OAM, and enhanced control planes. While =E2= =80=9CMPLS-TP=E2=80=9D seems to be mentioned in more than 80 RFCs, is it eve= r anything except =E2=80=9Cusing MPLS to provide a transport for other proto= cols in a way that looks like a lower-layer transport network=E2=80=9D? > =20 > In the section on Routing Recommendations (was 6.2) you say (for the bulle= t on ECMP). > =E2=80=9CMention IPv4 is based on uneven flow based load balancing which i= s subject to polarization of flow due to high bandwidth flows being hashed t= o the same path.=E2=80=9D > Isn=E2=80=99t this exactly what the paragraph in the document says about g= eneral hash-based load balancing? > The other comments on this section have been incorporated. > =20 > For the section on Protection Options (was 6.5.2), but possibly applicable= across the whole of the section on Network Survivability (was section 6.5),= you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning the technology RSVP-TE & SR and it= s protection schemes available as we as IGP unicast routing local protection= via IP-LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA.=E2=80=9D > MPLS-FRR is already mentioned higher up. It is definitely a form of TE. > I=E2=80=99ve added a mention and reference for TI-LFA at around the same p= lace. > Are the local protection schemes in the IGPs actually forms of TE, or are t= hey IGP alternate routes? I=E2=80=99m not really sure. > =20 > That all looks like a lot of negative stuff, but that is because I=E2=80=99= ve only commented on the things not done. Lots of good stuff folded in. > =20 > Cheers, > Adrian > =20 > =20 > From: Gyan Mishra =20 > Sent: 27 May 2021 04:53 > To: Mohamed BOUCADAIR > Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > =20 > Hi Adrian > =20 > Attached is the review of 3272bis version 11 word document with comments a= long the side. > =20 > I added some verbiage in the abstract & introduction section describing th= e three operator environments that exist 1. Public internet, 2. Private doma= in with external customers, 3. Internal corporate intranet domain > Throughout the draft I changed "internet traffic engineering" to "traffic e= ngineering" as there are three unique use cases of traffic engineering which= I described each in detail. =20 > =20 > Also once "traffic engineering (TE) referred to traffic engineering as "TE= " is noted I believe my comment is in the intro section that we should not h= ave to spell TE out explicitly each time throughout the draft except when a s= entence starts with "traffic engineering". =20 > =20 > Some minor comments throughout the draft. =20 > =20 > Under the protection section I mentioned local protection which I think sh= ould be mentioned LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA. =20 > =20 > Section 6.2 - I had some comments related to ECMP that if you would like I= can do a write-up on ECMP. =20 > =20 > Under 4.1.16 SR-MPLS is mentioned but not SRv6 so I thought it may be wort= hwhile to mention SRv6 as uses SR-TE steering even though not mpls based but= as another form of steering using IPv6 data plane.=20 > =20 > Lastly, > =20 > I noticed Multicast was not mentioned under IETF projects section or anywh= ere else in the draft. I can add some verbiage to a section and talk about P= 2MP TE & replication sid. I did not comment on this in the draft as no mult= icast section exists. > =20 > Kind Regards > =20 > Gyan > =20 > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 11:26 AM Gyan Mishra wrote= : > =20 > Hi Adrian=20 > =20 > I see you published a version 12. I went through all of MEDs updates in v= ersion 11 and ensured that my updates are mutually exclusive no overlap of M= EDs updates. =20 > =20 > I built my updated on version 11. I am almost done and will send out tomo= rrow night. > =20 > Thanks=20 > =20 > Gyan > =20 > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM wrote: > Hi Adrian,=20 >=20 > Thank you for the replies. Here is some few follow-up points: >=20 > * s/within the control plane or by controllers/within the control or manag= ement plane >=20 > * "I'm not clear about the term "resource-based access control". Do you me= an "policing"? If so, yes. Policing is mentioned just two sentences later" >=20 > I actually meant resource-based admission control. This is now covered by t= he new section you added. Thanks.=20 >=20 > * " The word "economically" is, I think, giving you a different meaning to= what is intended. I think the word is not intended to just mean "financiall= y economical", but also to mean "not wasteful or profligate." This is simila= r to "efficient", but not the same. In this context, "economically" would ce= rtainly apply to power use, money, and any other resource. > I spent a little time trying to think of an equivalent word (because if it= is causing you unrest, it will do the same for other readers), but I was un= able to think of one.":=20 >=20 > The concern I had is that the observed behavior is conditioned by the metr= ics/attributes/information that can be disseminated and acted upon. Optimizi= ng the forwarding with a set of metrics as inputs does not guarantee that th= e overall forwarding is economically-optimized. That's why I provided the ex= ample of power-consumption. Such optimization is not currently supported at t= he level of a network (despite that some optimization can be made at the nod= e/card level). >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > > Envoy=C3=A9 : samedi 15 mai 2021 19:40 > > =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN > > Objet : RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > >=20 > > Here's the file. > >=20 > > Many thanks for looking at this. > >=20 > > Adrian > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel > > Sent: 15 May 2021 18:11 > > To: 'mohamed.boucadair@orange.com' ; > > 'teas@ietf.org' > > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' > > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > >=20 > > Hi Med, > >=20 > > Thanks for all of your comments. > >=20 > > Nearly everything is accepted and included. > >=20 > > Not sure the best way to respond to your Word file, so I embedded my > > responses and I'll send it to you under separate cover (no need to > > spam the mailing list). > >=20 > > There'll be a -12 along soon to capture your improvements. > >=20 > > Best, > > Adrian > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > Sent: 03 May 2021 15:49 > > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' > > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > >=20 > > Hi Adrian, all, > >=20 > > FWIW, you may find some comments at: > > * pdf: > > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft- > > ietf-teas > > -rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.pdf > > * doc: > > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/master/draft- > > ietf-teas- > > rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.docx > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Med > >=20 > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian > > Farrel > > > Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 7 avril 2021 21:24 =C3=80 : teas@ietf.org Cc : '= TEAS > > WG > > > Chairs' Objet : Re: [Teas] I-D Action: > > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > > > With this version I have filled in the remaining TBDs: > > > - small section on intent-based network > > > - small section on multi-layer TE (thanks, Lou, for the suggestion) > > > - change log from 3272 > > > > > > As far as I'm concerned this document is complete modulo review > > > comments. > > > > > > It *really* needs review, but I can't force you! > > > Maybe you can look at the sections of special interest to you? > > > Maybe the original Design Team could take another look? > > > > > > Otherwise: time for WG last call? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Adrian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of > > > internet-drafts@ietf.org > > > Sent: 07 April 2021 19:25 > > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > Cc: teas@ietf.org > > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > > directories. > > > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture > > and > > > Signaling WG of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : Overview and Principles of Internet > > Traffic > > > Engineering > > > Author : Adrian Farrel > > > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > Pages : 91 > > > Date : 2021-04-07 > > > > > > Abstract: > > > This document describes the principles of traffic engineering > > (TE) > > > in > > > the Internet. 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Very good analys= is, +1.
As for local protection aka IPFRR (xLFA), it is what you s= aid - local protection (link/node) throughout loop-free alternative, not TE (= one might argue that LFA computation might include additional inputs, such a= s SRLG,etc), which makes it =E2=80=9Csomewhat=E2=80=9D TE but it is still LFA= (perhaps constrained LFA) computation.

Cheer= s,
Jeff

On= Feb 23, 2022, at 12:08, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF=

Hi Gyan,

 

Long after you did your review of version 11 of this document,= I have been trying to apply your changes to my working copy of version 14.<= o:p>

 

Many of the changes are simple editorial things= and are easily accepted. A few of those are rejected as matters of personal= style or RFC Editor practice.

<= span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> 

A number of clar= ifications or expansions were also easy to deal with.

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal"> =

That leaves us with a few larger issues.

 =

The biggest one was whether to change the draft from =E2=80=9COv= erview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9COverview and Principles of Tra= ffic Engineering=E2=80=9D. I raised this a= t IETF-112 and said I would take silence as meaning =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t m= ake the change.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t think I saw anything on the list as= a result, an I believe that means we stay as we are and continue the use of= the term originally present in RFC 3272.

 

That position has consequences for s= ome of your more detailed comments. In particular you wanted to =E2=80=9Cto be inclusive of public internet and close or restricted mpls domain p= rivate traffic engineering.=E2=80=9D Personally, I think this is interpretin= g =E2=80=9CInternet traffic engineering=E2=80=9D the wrong way: it is not su= pposed to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering that only operates across the wh= ole Internet,=E2=80=9D but to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering techniques u= sed within any part or parts of the Internet.=E2=80=9D I think this is clari= fied near the top of the Introduction with =E2=80=9CEven though Internet traffic engineering is most effective when applied e= nd-to-end, the focus of this document is traffic engineering within a given d= omain (such as an autonomous system).=E2=80=9D

 

This cuts into y= our proposed change to the Abstract, but there you also suggested a change f= rom =E2=80=9CThe document is intended to promote= better understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP ne= tworks and the networks that support IP networking,=E2=80=9D to say t= hat the =E2=80=9CThe document is intended to promote a better understanding o= f the issues surrounding traffic engineering of customer IP flow forensics a= nd the transport networks that support these IP flows.=E2=80=9D  I don=E2= =80=99t know how you would traffic engineer an IP flow forensic. Maybe that w= ord is stray, and you just mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering of customer IP f= lows=E2=80=9D but I think that is looking at traffic flows and TE wrongly =E2= =80=93 the TE process doesn=E2=80=99t care whether the traffic is a customer= flow or anything else: it is just traffic flows.

 

In the Introduction y= ou also wanted to move away from =E2=80=9CTE in the Internet=E2=80=9D to lis= t out the different networks in which you can use TE. I think we stay as we a= re: we are Internet Engineering Task Force.

 

You proposed some pretty si= zeable changes to the first two paragraphs of Section 1.1. I don=E2=80=99t f= ind anything factually incorrect in what you have written, but it doesn=E2=80= =99t seem the right place to be saying it. This section is a fairly abstract= discussion of what TE is, while you have set out some specific descriptions= of how routing and TE work with references to protocols, etc. I tried to fi= nd a better place in the document for your text, but it didn=E2=80=99t seem t= o sit comfortably anywhere.

 =

In the RSVP section  (was 4.1.3) you s= ay: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning that one of the scalability issues that l= ead to the advent of SR intent based traffic steering and elimination of sta= te. L3 VPN / VRF to RSVP-TE tunnel mapping requiring a loopback and next hop= re-write with a static routing to map a VRF to a RSVP-TE tunnel which does n= ot scale.  With SR SR-TE we now have scalable per VRF and per flow stee= ring capability.=E2=80=9D Without debating what you say or denigrating any i= mplementations, I think that the purpose of these sections is to describe th= e basic functions of each of the techniques, not to trade off one against th= e other. It is possible that we could find a home for this text in the secti= on on =E2=80=9COverview of Contemporary TE Practices in Operational IP Netwo= rks,=E2=80=9D but that section is quite pithy and to the point, so what I ha= ve done is reduce this to the simple =E2=80=9Cand this may have configuratio= n and operational scaling benefits=E2=80=9D in the paragraph on SR.

 

For= the section on Differentiated Services (was 4.1.4) I have not put in discus= sion of DiffServ-TE and the various pipe models because this section is abou= t just DiffServ. I have, however, put in a pointer to the section on DiffSer= v-TE.

 

Your comment about the MPLS section (was 4.1.6) is long and shows= your experience using MPLS in the real world. The section is intended to in= troduce the basic concepts of MPLS, provide references for more detail, and t= hen observe why MPLS is a useful tool for TE. You suggested adding two point= s:

  1. Th= e first point is about MPLS signaling protocols and how RSVP-TE is preferred= over LDP for path steering and IGP bypass. The current text references the r= equirements for TE over MPLS and points at RSVP-TE. I think that=E2=80=99s e= nough and we really don=E2=80=99t need to talk about other signaling for MPL= S networks that doesn=E2=80=99t provide a tool for TE. We could, of course, l= ook to the section on =E2=80=9CRecommendations for Internet Traffic Engineer= ing=E2=80=9D and see whether there is something extra we can say there (alth= ough I still don=E2=80=99t think that mentioning non-TE mechanisms is someth= ing we need to do).
  2. The second point is about the softwi= re mesh framework (RFC 5565). Unless I am mistaken, softwires form an overla= y of virtual adjacencies. There is no TE control in the underlay, but the ov= erlay may select between softwires using any form of routing, configuration,= or TE. The selection policies offered in 5565 are fairly simple, but there i= s a note that more complicated policies could be used, so I suppose TE in th= e overlay is possible, but I=E2=80=99m not sure that that is any different f= rom TE in that overlay network in the case where the softwires are replaced b= y physical links: and that, of course, is already covered in the document.

 

In the GMPLS section (was 4.1.7) you suggest mentioning MPLS-TP. I= wonder what specifically needs to be mentioned in this context. If what you= are after is a note that GMPLS control protocols support packet-switched ne= tworks, then that is already there. If, on the other hand, you want to call o= ut MPLS-TP as a variant of MPLS, we should probably put that in the MPLS sec= tion. But, and for whatever my opinion is worth, I don=E2=80=99t think MPLS-= TP ever amounted to more than an operational way of viewing MPLS networks wi= th a combination of configuration, enhanced OAM, and enhanced control planes= . While =E2=80=9CMPLS-TP=E2=80=9D seems to be mentioned in more than 80 RFCs= , is it ever anything except =E2=80=9Cusing MPLS to provide a transport for o= ther protocols in a way that looks like a lower-layer transport network=E2=80= =9D?

 

In the section on Routing Recommendations (was 6.2) you say (for t= he bullet on ECMP).

  • =E2=80=9CMention IPv4 is based on uneven flow based load balancing w= hich is subject to polarization of flow due to high bandwidth flows being ha= shed to the same path.=E2=80=9D
    Isn=E2=80=99t this exactly what the parag= raph in the document says about general hash-based load balancing?

The other comments on this section have be= en incorporated.

 

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the section on Protection Options (was 6.5.2), but= possibly applicable across the whole of the section on Network Survivabilit= y (was section 6.5), you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning the technology= RSVP-TE & SR and its protection schemes available as we as IGP unicast r= outing local protection via IP-LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA.=E2=80=9D

  • MPLS-FRR is already mentione= d higher up. It is definitely a form of TE.
  • I=E2=80=99= ve added a mention and reference for TI-LFA at around the same place.
  • Are the local protection schemes in the IGPs actually forms= of TE, or are they IGP alternate routes? I=E2=80=99m not really sure.<= /o:p>
  •  

    That all looks like a lot o= f negative stuff, but that is because I=E2=80=99ve only commented on the thi= ngs not done. Lots of good stuff folded in.

     

    Che= ers,

    Adrian

     

     =

    From:<= span lang=3D"EN-US"> Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
    Sent:<= /b> 27 May 2021 04:53
    To: Mohamed BOUCADAIR <mohamed.boucadair@= orange.com>
    Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    Subjec= t: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt

     

    Hi Adrian

     

    Attached is the review of 3272bis v= ersion 11  word document with comments along the side.

     

    I added some verbiage in the abstract & introduction section d= escribing the three operator environments that exist 1. Public internet, 2. P= rivate domain with external customers, 3. Internal corporate intranet domain=

    Throughout the draft I chan= ged "internet traffic engineering" to "traffic engineering" as there are thr= ee unique use cases of traffic engineering which I described each in detail.=    

     

    Also once "traffic engineering = ;(TE) referred to traffic engineering as "TE"  is noted I believe my co= mment is in the intro section that we should not have to spell TE out e= xplicitly each time throughout the draft except when a sentence starts w= ith "traffic engineering".  

     

    Some minor= comments throughout the draft.  

     

    Under= the protection section I mentioned local protection which I think should be= mentioned LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA.  

     

    Section 6= .2 - I had some comments related to ECMP that if you would like I can d= o a write-up on ECMP.  

     

    Under 4.1.16 SR= -MPLS is mentioned but not SRv6 so I thought it may be worthwhile to mention= SRv6 as uses SR-TE steering even though not mpls based but as another form o= f steering using IPv6 data plane. 

     

    Lastly,

     

    I noticed Multicast was not mentioned under I= ETF projects section or anywhere else in the draft. I can add some verbiage t= o a section and talk about P2MP TE & replication sid.  I did not co= mment on this in the draft as no multicast section exists.

     

    Kind Regards

     

    Gyan

    <= /div>

     

    On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 11:26 AM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

     

    Hi Adrian&n= bsp;

     

    I see you published a version 12.  I we= nt through all of MEDs updates in version 11 and ensured that my updates are= mutually exclusive no overlap of MEDs updates.  

    <= div>

     

    I built my updated on version 11.  I am almost done and will send= out tomorrow night.

    &n= bsp;

    Thanks 

    <= /div>

     

    Gyan

     =

    On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM &= lt;mohamed= .boucadair@orange.com> wrote:

    Hi Adrian,

    Tha= nk you for the replies. Here is some few follow-up points:

    * s/within= the control plane or by controllers/within the control or management plane<= br>
    * "I'm not clear about the term "resource-based access control". Do y= ou mean "policing"? If so, yes. Policing is mentioned just two sentences lat= er"

    I actually meant resource-based admission control. This is now co= vered by the new section you added. Thanks.

    * " The word "economical= ly" is, I think, giving you a different meaning to what is intended. I think= the word is not intended to just mean "financially economical", but also to= mean "not wasteful or profligate." This is similar to "efficient", but not t= he same. In this context, "economically" would certainly apply to power use,= money, and any other resource.
    I spent a little time trying to think of a= n equivalent word (because if it is causing you unrest, it will do the same f= or other readers), but I was unable to think of one.":

    The concern I= had is that the observed behavior is conditioned by the metrics/attributes/= information that can be disseminated and acted upon. Optimizing the forwardi= ng with a set of metrics as inputs does not guarantee that the overall forwa= rding is economically-optimized. That's why I provided the example of power-= consumption. Such optimization is not currently supported at the level of a n= etwork (despite that some optimization can be made at the node/card level).<= br>
    Cheers,
    Med

    > -----Message d'origine-----
    > De&nbs= p;: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
    > Envoy=C3=A9 : samedi 15 mai 202= 1 19:40
    > =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.c= om>
    > Objet : RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc32= 72bis-11.txt
    >
    > Here's the file.
    >
    > Many thanks f= or looking at this.
    >
    > Adrian
    >
    > -----Original M= essage-----
    > From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
    > Sent: 15 May 20= 21 18:11
    > To: 'mohamed.boucadair@orange.com' <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>= ;
    > 'teas@ietf.org<= /a>' <teas@ietf.org>
    > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' <
    teas-chairs@ietf.org>
    > Subject: RE: [Teas= ] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
    >
    > Hi Med,
    = >
    > Thanks for all of your comments.
    >
    > Nearly every= thing is accepted and included.
    >
    > Not sure the best way to re= spond to your Word file, so I embedded my
    > responses and I'll send it= to you under separate cover (no need to
    > spam the mailing list).
    = >
    > There'll be a -12 along soon to capture your improvements.
    = >
    > Best,
    > Adrian
    >
    > -----Original Message---= --
    > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
    &g= t; Sent: 03 May 2021 15:49
    > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org
    > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
    > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.= txt
    >
    > Hi Adrian, all,
    >
    > FWIW, you may find som= e comments at:
    > * pdf:
    >
    https://github.c= om/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft-
    > ietf-teas> -rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.pdf
    > * doc:
    > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/master/draft-> ietf-teas-
    > rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.docx
    >
    > Cheer= s,
    > Med
    >
    > > -----Message d'origine-----
    > >= ; De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian
    > Farrel
    &g= t; > Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 7 avril 2021 21:24 =C3=80 : teas@ietf.org Cc : 'TEA= S
    > WG
    > > Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org> Objet : Re: [Teas] I-D= Action:
    > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
    > >
    >= > With this version I have filled in the remaining TBDs:
    > > - s= mall section on intent-based network
    > > - small section on multi-l= ayer TE (thanks, Lou, for the suggestion)
    > > - change log from 327= 2
    > >
    > > As far as I'm concerned this document is complet= e modulo review
    > > comments.
    > >
    > > It *really*= needs review, but I can't force you!
    > > Maybe you can look at the= sections of special interest to you?
    > > Maybe the original Design= Team could take another look?
    > >
    > > Otherwise: time for= WG last call?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > Adrian
    >= >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: I-D-Announc= e <i-d= -announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of
    > > internet-drafts@ietf.org<= br>> > Sent: 07 April 2021 19:25
    > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
    > >= ; Cc: teas@ietf.org> > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
    > &= gt;
    > >
    > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-= line Internet-Drafts
    > > directories.
    > > This draft is a w= ork item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture
    > and
    > > Si= gnaling WG of the IETF.
    > >
    > >       =  Title           : Overview and Principl= es of Internet
    > Traffic
    > > Engineering
    > >  &= nbsp;      Author          : Adrian = Farrel
    > >     Filename        := draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
    > >     Pages&nbs= p;          : 91
    > >     Da= te            : 2021-04-07
    > >
    >= ; > Abstract:
    > >    This document describes the princ= iples of traffic engineering
    > (TE)
    > > in
    > > =   the Internet.  The document is intended to promote better
    &g= t; >    understanding of the issues surrounding traffic enginee= ring in
    > IP
    > >    networks and the networks that s= upport IP networking, and to
    > > provide
    > >    a= common basis for the development of traffic engineering
    > >  &= nbsp; capabilities for the Internet.  The principles, architectures,> and
    > >    methodologies for performance evaluation= and performance
    > > optimization
    > >    of oper= ational networks are also discussed.
    > >
    > >    T= his work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002.  This
    > >= ; document
    > >    obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete= update to bring the text
    > in
    > >    line with bes= t current practices for Internet traffic
    > engineering
    > > an= d
    > >    to include references to the latest relevant wor= k in the IETF.
    > >
    > >
    > > The IETF datatracker s= tatus page for this draft is:
    > > https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/
    > >
    > > The= re are also htmlized versions available at:
    > > https:/= /tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11
    > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis= -11
    > >
    > > A diff from the previous version is availa= ble at:
    > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3D= draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11
    > >
    > >
    > > Ple= ase note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
    > > s= ubmission until the htmlized version and diff are available at
    > > <= a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tools.ietf.org.
    &g= t; >
    > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:=
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    > >
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(PST) Message-ID: <255bf56a-c7f8-0b57-8eeb-ab5392cbdecb@joelhalpern.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 21:09:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.6.1 Content-Language: en-US To: "Wubo (lana)" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram Cc: TEAS WG References: <8f363bb66a0a47d3b6dd278c236e04dc@huawei.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" In-Reply-To: <8f363bb66a0a47d3b6dd278c236e04dc@huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 02:10:03 -0000 I am not understanding your concern Wubo. Apologies. Please allow me to explain where it seems I am missing, and maybe you can clarify. We refer to the construct in teh draft as a slice flow aggregate so as to emphasis and remind all readers that this component can carry multiple external slices. Having said that, as a deployment option, it is always possible for an operator to use one slice flow aggregate for each external network slice (of whatever kind). While I am concerned about the scaling of such an approach, it is clearly permitted and supported by the approach describe in the draft. Yours, Joel On 2/23/2022 9:02 PM, Wubo (lana) wrote: > Hi Pavan, > > Thanks for your reply. Please see inline for my further comments. > > Thanks, > > Bo > > *发件人:*Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com] > *发送时间:*2022年2月23日22:29 > *收件人:*Wubo (lana) > *抄送:*Lou Berger ; TEAS WG ; TEAS WG > Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > *主题:*Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Bo, > > Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB).. > > Regards, > > -Pavan (on behalf of the authors) > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM Wubo (lana) > > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and terms. > > 1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) > based mapping solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, and > SFAs to NRP(Network Resource Partition)s. > If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization > document, I think, it should allow more options. For example, the > slice services could be mapped to VPNs, and > VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang. > > [VPB] Please refer to section 5.3 > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08#section-5.3 > ). > It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic onto > paths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly > allowed. We can add a reference to > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in this section and make it > explicit. > > */[Bo Wu] Thanks for the clarification, but my concerns are not just > about Section 5.3. Taking Section 3.3 as an example,  Slice-Flow > Aggregation Mapping, there are also multiple sections titled with SFA. I > hope that the name can be changed to  "slice service mapping”  or “slice > service flow mapping" and the options described in section 5.3 can also > be reflected in those sections. Otherwise, as Med suggested, maybe the > draft name could be changed to “Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS > Networks supporting SFA”./* > > > 2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but > the following definition are not consistent: > 1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but > is seems relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Policy > selection Criteria in the model definition. > Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP > Policy selection criteria and are given the same forwarding treatment ; > > 2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, but > apart from Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. It > is recommended that the terms be consistent. > FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label. > > [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP policy data model > draft (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy data > model draft needs to be updated to be in sync with the current > terminology used in draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. This should get done > in the next few days. But please note that the NRP policy data model > draft is not the one that is currently being polled for adoption. > > */[Bo Wu] I'm sorry my question is not clear. Let me rephrase it. As > described in the document, the SFA is maintained by the controller, > which means that the data plane within the device is not SFA aware. Then > could you explain the reason of defining  FAS and FASL? 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<2544_1620053359_60900D6F_2544_75_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933035375DEC@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <0c1401d749b1$4ea76030$ebf62090$@olddog.co.uk> <14245_1621350034_60A3D692_14245_28_4_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93303538A62A@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <014701d828f1$2107d360$63177a20$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <014701d828f1$2107d360$63177a20$@olddog.co.uk> From: Gyan Mishra Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:36:40 -0500 Message-ID: To: adrian@olddog.co.uk Cc: teas@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0000000000001d402705d8bcf898" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 05:36:59 -0000 --0000000000001d402705d8bcf898 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001d402605d8bcf897" --0000000000001d402605d8bcf897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Adrian Thank you for reviewing my updates as my hopes were to provide some value to the document and help fill in gaps, and wherever you found my updates appropriate in context, which I gathered not all of them you may agree with, but from your final comment it sounds like a lot of good material made it=E2=80=99s way into the revision. I will take that as a most excell= ent! Responses in-line Many Thanks Gyan On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 3:08 PM Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi Gyan, Long after you did your review of version 11 of this document, I have been trying to apply your changes to my working copy of version 14. Many of the changes are simple editorial things and are easily accepted. A few of those are rejected as matters of personal style or RFC Editor practice. Gyan> Understood A number of clarifications or expansions were also easy to deal with. Gyan> Good That leaves us with a few larger issues. The biggest one was whether to change the draft from =E2=80=9COverview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9COverview an= d Principles of Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D. I raised this at IETF-112 and said I would ta= ke silence as meaning =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t make the change.=E2=80=9D I don= =E2=80=99t think I saw anything on the list as a result, an I believe that means we stay as we are and continue the use of the term originally present in RFC 3272. Gyan> I am good with that as that=E2=80=99s the consensus and I completely understand. My goal was to at least give my POV and I completely understand. That position has consequences for some of your more detailed comments. In particular you wanted to =E2=80=9Cto be inclusive of public internet and cl= ose or restricted mpls domain private traffic engineering.=E2=80=9D Personally, I = think this is interpreting =E2=80=9CInternet traffic engineering=E2=80=9D the wro= ng way: it is not supposed to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering that only operates across= the whole Internet,=E2=80=9D but to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering technique= s used within any part or parts of the Internet.=E2=80=9D I think this is clarified near = the top of the Introduction with =E2=80=9CEven though Internet traffic engineering = is most effective when applied end-to-end, the focus of this document is traffic engineering within a given domain (such as an autonomous system).=E2=80=9D Gyan> I see your POV > This cuts into your proposed change to the Abstract, but there you also suggested a change from =E2=80=9CThe document is intended to promote better understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP networks and the networks that support IP networking,=E2=80=9D to say that the =E2= =80=9CThe document is intended to promote a better understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering of customer IP flow forensics and the transport networks that support these IP flows.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t know how yo= u would traffic engineer an IP flow forensic. Maybe that word is stray, and you just mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering of customer IP flows=E2=80=9D but I think that= is looking at traffic flows and TE wrongly =E2=80=93 the TE process doesn=E2=80=99t care = whether the traffic is a customer flow or anything else: it is just traffic flows. Gyan> I agree the word =E2=80=9Cforensics=E2=80=9D is out of place. The u= se of the words =E2=80=9Ccustomer IP flow=E2=80=9D implies a single flow but in reality it= =E2=80=99s just aggregation of traffic flows but also that TE cares what the flow is which it does not. There is only one use case where you are traffic engineering one customer flow and that is when you are mapping a 1-1 customer to TE tunnel mapping but even in that case TE is just steering the flow and does not care if it=E2=80=99s one or many customers. As you mentioned TE does n= ot care what the flow is, it=E2=80=99s just performing the action of steering is y= our point and I agree. > In the Introduction you also wanted to move away from =E2=80=9CTE in the = Internet=E2=80=9D > to list out the different networks in which you can use TE. I think we st= ay > as we are: we are Internet Engineering Task Force. > > Gyan> Understood & Agreed > > You proposed some pretty sizeable changes to the first two paragraphs of > Section 1.1. I don=E2=80=99t find anything factually incorrect in what yo= u have > written, but it doesn=E2=80=99t seem the right place to be saying it. Thi= s section > is a fairly abstract discussion of what TE is, while you have set out som= e > specific descriptions of how routing and TE work with references to > protocols, etc. I tried to find a better place in the document for your > text, but it didn=E2=80=99t seem to sit comfortably anywhere. > > Gyan> Understood > > In the RSVP section (was 4.1.3) you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning= that one > of the scalability issues that lead to the advent of SR intent based > traffic steering and elimination of state. L3 VPN / VRF to RSVP-TE tunnel > mapping requiring a loopback and next hop re-write with a static routing = to > map a VRF to a RSVP-TE tunnel which does not scale. With SR SR-TE we now > have scalable per VRF and per flow steering capability.=E2=80=9D Without = debating > what you say or denigrating any implementations, I think that the purpose > of these sections is to describe the basic functions of each of the > techniques, not to trade off one against the other. It is possible that w= e > could find a home for this text in the section on =E2=80=9COverview of Co= ntemporary > TE Practices in Operational IP Networks,=E2=80=9D but that section is qui= te pithy > and to the point, so what I have done is reduce this to the simple =E2=80= =9Cand > this may have configuration and operational scaling benefits=E2=80=9D in = the > paragraph on SR. > > Gyan> Sounds good > > For the section on Differentiated Services (was 4.1.4) I have not put in > discussion of DiffServ-TE and the various pipe models because this sectio= n > is about just DiffServ. I have, however, put in a pointer to the section = on > DiffServ-TE. > > Gyan> Understood > > Your comment about the MPLS section (was 4.1.6) is long and shows your > experience using MPLS in the real world. The section is intended to > introduce the basic concepts of MPLS, provide references for more detail, > and then observe why MPLS is a useful tool for TE. You suggested adding t= wo > points: > > 1. The first point is about MPLS signaling protocols and how RSVP-TE > is preferred over LDP for path steering and IGP bypass. The current te= xt > references the requirements for TE over MPLS and points at RSVP-TE. I = think > that=E2=80=99s enough and we really don=E2=80=99t need to talk about o= ther signaling for > MPLS networks that doesn=E2=80=99t provide a tool for TE. We could, of= course, look > to the section on =E2=80=9CRecommendations for Internet Traffic Engine= ering=E2=80=9D and > see whether there is something extra we can say there (although I stil= l > don=E2=80=99t think that mentioning non-TE mechanisms is something we = need to do). > > Gyan> Understood 2. The second point is about the softwire mesh framework (RFC 5565). Unless I am mistaken, softwires form an overlay of virtual adjacencies. There is no TE control in the underlay, but the overlay may select between softwires using any form of routing, configuration, or TE. The selection policies offered in 5565 are fairly simple, but there is a note that more complicated policies could be used, so I suppose TE in the overlay is possible, but I=E2=80=99m not sure that that is any different from TE in th= at overlay network in the case where the softwires are replaced by physical links: and that, of course, is already covered in the document. Gyan> I agree > In the GMPLS section (was 4.1.7) you suggest mentioning MPLS-TP. I wonder > what specifically needs to be mentioned in this context. If what you are > after is a note that GMPLS control protocols support packet-switched > networks, then that is already there. If, on the other hand, you want to > call out MPLS-TP as a variant of MPLS, we should probably put that in the > MPLS section. But, and for whatever my opinion is worth, I don=E2=80=99t = think > MPLS-TP ever amounted to more than an operational way of viewing MPLS > networks with a combination of configuration, enhanced OAM, and enhanced > control planes. While =E2=80=9CMPLS-TP=E2=80=9D seems to be mentioned in = more than 80 RFCs, > is it ever anything except =E2=80=9Cusing MPLS to provide a transport for= other > protocols in a way that looks like a lower-layer transport network=E2=80= =9D? > > Gyan> I agree with calling out MPLS-TP in the MPLS section as it is as > you stated a variant of MPLS. Agreed. > > In the section on Routing Recommendations (was 6.2) you say (for the > bullet on ECMP). > > - =E2=80=9CMention IPv4 is based on uneven flow based load balancing w= hich is > subject to polarization of flow due to high bandwidth flows being hash= ed to > the same path.=E2=80=9D > Isn=E2=80=99t this exactly what the paragraph in the document says abo= ut > general hash-based load balancing? > > Gyan> Agreed the above bullet is redundant > > - > > The other comments on this section have been incorporated. > > Gyan> Great > > For the section on Protection Options (was 6.5.2), but possibly applicabl= e > across the whole of the section on Network Survivability (was section 6.5= ), > you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning the technology RSVP-TE & SR and = its > protection schemes available as we as IGP unicast routing local protectio= n > via IP-LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA.=E2=80=9D > > - MPLS-FRR is already mentioned higher up. It is definitely a form of > TE. > - I=E2=80=99ve added a mention and reference for TI-LFA at around the = same > place. > - Are the local protection schemes in the IGPs actually forms of TE, > or are they IGP alternate routes? I=E2=80=99m not really sure. > > Gyan> I agree that xLFA as Jeff mentioned are IGP based =E2=80=9Clocal > protection=E2=80=9D and not TE even though maybe constrained LFA but stil= l not > quite TE. Agreed. > > That all looks like a lot of negative stuff, but that is because I=E2=80= =99ve only > commented on the things not done. Lots of good stuff folded in. > > Gyan> No worries. Most Excellent! > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > > > *From:* Gyan Mishra > *Sent:* 27 May 2021 04:53 > *To:* Mohamed BOUCADAIR > *Cc:* adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > Hi Adrian > > > > Attached is the review of 3272bis version 11 word document with comments > along the side. > > > > I added some verbiage in the abstract & introduction section describing > the three operator environments that exist 1. Public internet, 2. Private > domain with external customers, 3. Internal corporate intranet domain > > Throughout the draft I changed "internet traffic engineering" to "traffic > engineering" as there are three unique use cases of traffic engineering > which I described each in detail. > > > > Also once "traffic engineering (TE) referred to traffic engineering as > "TE" is noted I believe my comment is in the intro section that we shoul= d > not have to spell TE out explicitly each time throughout the draft except > when a sentence starts with "traffic engineering". > > > > Some minor comments throughout the draft. > > > > Under the protection section I mentioned local protection which I think > should be mentioned LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA. > > > > Section 6.2 - I had some comments related to ECMP that if you would like = I > can do a write-up on ECMP. > > > > Under 4.1.16 SR-MPLS is mentioned but not SRv6 so I thought it may be > worthwhile to mention SRv6 as uses SR-TE steering even though not mpls > based but as another form of steering using IPv6 data plane. > > > > Lastly, > > > > I noticed Multicast was not mentioned under IETF projects section or > anywhere else in the draft. I can add some verbiage to a section and talk > about P2MP TE & replication sid. I did not comment on this in the draft = as > no multicast section exists. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Gyan > > > > On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 11:26 AM Gyan Mishra > wrote: > > > > Hi Adrian > > > > I see you published a version 12. I went through all of MEDs updates in > version 11 and ensured that my updates are mutually exclusive no overlap = of > MEDs updates. > > > > I built my updated on version 11. I am almost done and will send out > tomorrow night. > > > > Thanks > > > > Gyan > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM wrote: > > Hi Adrian, > > Thank you for the replies. Here is some few follow-up points: > > * s/within the control plane or by controllers/within the control or > management plane > > * "I'm not clear about the term "resource-based access control". Do you > mean "policing"? If so, yes. Policing is mentioned just two sentences lat= er" > > I actually meant resource-based admission control. This is now covered by > the new section you added. Thanks. > > * " The word "economically" is, I think, giving you a different meaning t= o > what is intended. I think the word is not intended to just mean > "financially economical", but also to mean "not wasteful or profligate." > This is similar to "efficient", but not the same. In this context, > "economically" would certainly apply to power use, money, and any other > resource. > I spent a little time trying to think of an equivalent word (because if i= t > is causing you unrest, it will do the same for other readers), but I was > unable to think of one.": > > The concern I had is that the observed behavior is conditioned by the > metrics/attributes/information that can be disseminated and acted upon. > Optimizing the forwarding with a set of metrics as inputs does not > guarantee that the overall forwarding is economically-optimized. That's w= hy > I provided the example of power-consumption. Such optimization is not > currently supported at the level of a network (despite that some > optimization can be made at the node/card level). > > Cheers, > Med > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > > Envoy=C3=A9 : samedi 15 mai 2021 19:40 > > =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN > > Objet : RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > Here's the file. > > > > Many thanks for looking at this. > > > > Adrian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel > > Sent: 15 May 2021 18:11 > > To: 'mohamed.boucadair@orange.com' ; > > 'teas@ietf.org' > > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' > > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > Hi Med, > > > > Thanks for all of your comments. > > > > Nearly everything is accepted and included. > > > > Not sure the best way to respond to your Word file, so I embedded my > > responses and I'll send it to you under separate cover (no need to > > spam the mailing list). > > > > There'll be a -12 along soon to capture your improvements. > > > > Best, > > Adrian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > Sent: 03 May 2021 15:49 > > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org > > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' > > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > Hi Adrian, all, > > > > FWIW, you may find some comments at: > > * pdf: > > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft- > > ietf-teas > > -rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.pdf > > * doc: > > https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/master/draft- > > ietf-teas- > > rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.docx > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian > > Farrel > > > Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 7 avril 2021 21:24 =C3=80 : teas@ietf.org Cc := 'TEAS > > WG > > > Chairs' Objet : Re: [Teas] I-D Action: > > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > > > With this version I have filled in the remaining TBDs: > > > - small section on intent-based network > > > - small section on multi-layer TE (thanks, Lou, for the suggestion) > > > - change log from 3272 > > > > > > As far as I'm concerned this document is complete modulo review > > > comments. > > > > > > It *really* needs review, but I can't force you! > > > Maybe you can look at the sections of special interest to you? > > > Maybe the original Design Team could take another look? > > > > > > Otherwise: time for WG last call? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Adrian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of > > > internet-drafts@ietf.org > > > Sent: 07 April 2021 19:25 > > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > Cc: teas@ietf.org > > > Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > > directories. > > > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture > > and > > > Signaling WG of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : Overview and Principles of Internet > > Traffic > > > Engineering > > > Author : Adrian Farrel > > > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt > > > Pages : 91 > > > Date : 2021-04-07 > > > > > > Abstract: > > > This document describes the principles of traffic engineering > > (TE) > > > in > > > the Internet. The document is intended to promote better > > > understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in > > IP > > > networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to > > > provide > > > a common basis for the development of traffic engineering > > > capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, > > and > > > methodologies for performance evaluation and performance > > > optimization > > > of operational networks are also discussed. > > > > > > This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. This > > > document > > > obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text > > in > > > line with best current practices for Internet traffic > > engineering > > > and > > > to include references to the latest relevant work in the IETF. > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/ > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11 > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > > > tools.ietf.org. > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Teas mailing list > > > Teas@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > _______ > > _____________________________________________ > > > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, > > exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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    Hi Adrian=C2=A0

    Thank you for reviewing my updates as my hopes were to provi= de some value to the document and help fill in gaps, and wherever you found= my updates appropriate in context, which I gathered not all of them you ma= y agree with, but from your final comment it sounds like a lot of good mate= rial made it=E2=80=99s way into the revision.=C2=A0 I will take that as a m= ost excellent!

    Responses= in-line=C2=A0

    Many Than= ks=C2=A0

    Gyan=C2=A0

    On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 3:08 PM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk<= /a>> wrote:

    Hi Gyan,

    =C2=A0

    Long after you did your review of version 11 of = this document, I have been trying to apply your changes to my working copy = of version 14.

    = =C2=A0

    Many of the changes ar= e simple editorial things and are easily accepted. A few of those are rejec= ted as matters of personal style or RFC Editor practice.

    =C2=A0Gya= n> Understood=C2=A0

    <= span>A number of clarifications or expansions were also easy to deal with.<= u>

    =C2=A0Gyan> Good=C2=A0

    That leaves us with a few larger issues.

    =C2=A0

    The biggest one was whether to change the draft from = =E2=80=9COverview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering= =E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9COvervie= w and Principles of Traffic Engineering=E2=80=9D. I raised this at IETF-112 and said I would take silence as meanin= g =E2=80=9Cdon=E2=80=99t make the change.=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t think I = saw anything on the list as a result, an I believe that means we stay as we= are and continue the use of the term originally present in RFC 3272.

    =C2=A0Gyan> I am good with that as that=E2=80= =99s the consensus and I completely understand.=C2=A0 My goal was to at lea= st give my POV and I completely understand. =C2=A0

    <= div>

    That position has co= nsequences for some of your more detailed comments. In particular you wante= d to =E2=80=9Cto be inclusive of public internet and close or restri= cted mpls domain private traffic engineering.=E2=80=9D Personally, I think = this is interpreting =E2=80=9CInternet traffic engineering=E2=80=9D the wro= ng way: it is not supposed to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering that only o= perates across the whole Internet,=E2=80=9D but to mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic en= gineering techniques used within any part or parts of the Internet.=E2=80= =9D I think this is clarified near the top of the Introduction with =E2=80= =9CEven though Internet traffic engineering is = most effective when applied end-to-end, the focus of this document is traff= ic engineering within a given domain (such as an autonomous system).=E2=80= =9D

    =C2=A0Gyan> I see your POV=C2=A0

    =

    This cuts into your proposed change to th= e Abstract, but there you also suggested a change from =E2=80=9CThe document is intended to promote better understanding o= f the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP networks and the network= s that support IP networking,=E2=80=9D to say that the =E2=80=9CThe = document is intended to promote a better understanding of the issues surrou= nding traffic engineering of customer IP flow forensics and the transport n= etworks that support these IP flows.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0I don=E2=80=99t know ho= w you would traffic engineer an IP flow forensic. Maybe that word is stray,= and you just mean =E2=80=9Ctraffic engineering of customer IP flows=E2=80= =9D but I think that is looking at traffic flows and TE wrongly =E2=80=93 t= he TE process doesn=E2=80=99t care whether the traffic is a customer flow o= r anything else: it is just traffic flows.

    =C2=A0Gyan> I agree the word =E2= =80=9Cforensics=E2=80=9D is out of place.=C2=A0 The use of the words =E2=80= =9Ccustomer IP flow=E2=80=9D implies a single flow but in reality it=E2=80= =99s just aggregation of traffic flows but also that TE cares what the flow= is which it does not.=C2=A0 There is only one use case where you are traff= ic engineering one customer flow and that is when you are mapping a 1-1 cus= tomer to TE tunnel mapping but even in that case TE is just steering the fl= ow and does not care if it=E2=80=99s one or many customers.=C2=A0 As you me= ntioned TE does not care what the flow is, it=E2=80=99s just performing the= action of steering =C2=A0is your point and I agree. =C2=A0

    <= div>

    In the Introduction you also wanted to move away from =E2=80=9CTE i= n the Internet=E2=80=9D to list out the different networks in which you can= use TE. I think we stay as we are: we are Internet Engineering Task Force.=

    =C2=A0Gyan>= Understood & Agreed=C2=A0

    You propose= d some pretty sizeable changes to the first two paragraphs of Section 1.1. = I don=E2=80=99t find anything factually incorrect in what you have written,= but it doesn=E2=80=99t seem the right place to be saying it. This section = is a fairly abstract discussion of what TE is, while you have set out some = specific descriptions of how routing and TE work with references to protoco= ls, etc. I tried to find a better place in the document for your text, but = it didn=E2=80=99t seem to sit comfortably anywhere.

    Gyan> Understood =C2=A0

    <= p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the RSVP section=C2=A0 (was 4.1.3) you say: =E2=80= =9CMaybe worth mentioning that one of the scalability issues that lead to t= he advent of SR intent based traffic steering and elimination of state. L3 = VPN / VRF to RSVP-TE tunnel mapping requiring a loopback and next hop re-wr= ite with a static routing to map a VRF to a RSVP-TE tunnel which does not s= cale.=C2=A0 With SR SR-TE we now have scalable per VRF and per flow steerin= g capability.=E2=80=9D Without debating what you say or denigrating any imp= lementations, I think that the purpose of these sections is to describe the= basic functions of each of the techniques, not to trade off one against th= e other. It is possible that we could find a home for this text in the sect= ion on =E2=80=9COverview of Contemporary TE Practices in Operational IP Net= works,=E2=80=9D but that section is quite pithy and to the point, so what I= have done is reduce this to the simple =E2=80=9Cand this may have configur= ation and operational scaling benefits=E2=80=9D in the paragraph on SR.<= /u>

    =C2=A0Gyan> Sou= nds good=C2=A0

    For the section on Differen= tiated Services (was 4.1.4) I have not put in discussion of DiffServ-TE and= the various pipe models because this section is about just DiffServ. I hav= e, however, put in a pointer to the section on DiffServ-TE.

    =C2=A0Gyan> Understood=C2= =A0

    Your comment about the MPLS section (w= as 4.1.6) is long and shows your experience using MPLS in the real world. T= he section is intended to introduce the basic concepts of MPLS, provide ref= erences for more detail, and then observe why MPLS is a useful tool for TE.= You suggested adding two points:

    1. The first point i= s about MPLS signaling protocols and how RSVP-TE is preferred over LDP for = path steering and IGP bypass. The current text references the requirements = for TE over MPLS and points at RSVP-TE. I think that=E2=80=99s enough and w= e really don=E2=80=99t need to talk about other signaling for MPLS networks= that doesn=E2=80=99t provide a tool for TE. We could, of course, look to t= he section on =E2=80=9CRecommendations for Internet Traffic Engineering=E2= =80=9D and see whether there is something extra we can say there (although = I still don=E2=80=99t think that mentioning non-TE mechanisms is something = we need to do).

    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gyan&= gt; Understood

    2.=C2=A0 = The second point is about the softwire mesh framework (RFC 5565). Unless I = am mistaken, softwires form an overlay of virtual adjacencies. There is no = TE control in the underlay, but the overlay may select between softwires us= ing any form of routing, configuration, or TE. The selection policies offer= ed in 5565 are fairly simple, but there is a note that more complicated pol= icies could be used, so I suppose TE in the overlay is possible, but I=E2= =80=99m not sure that that is any different from TE in that overlay network= in the case where the softwires are replaced by physical links: and that, = of course, is already covered in the document. =C2=A0

    Gyan> I agree=C2=A0
    =

    In the GMPL= S section (was 4.1.7) you suggest mentioning MPLS-TP. I wonder what specifi= cally needs to be mentioned in this context. If what you are after is a not= e that GMPLS control protocols support packet-switched networks, then that = is already there. If, on the other hand, you want to call out MPLS-TP as a = variant of MPLS, we should probably put that in the MPLS section. But, and = for whatever my opinion is worth, I don=E2=80=99t think MPLS-TP ever amount= ed to more than an operational way of viewing MPLS networks with a combinat= ion of configuration, enhanced OAM, and enhanced control planes. While =E2= =80=9CMPLS-TP=E2=80=9D seems to be mentioned in more than 80 RFCs, is it ev= er anything except =E2=80=9Cusing MPLS to provide a transport for other pro= tocols in a way that looks like a lower-layer transport network=E2=80=9D?

    =C2=A0Gyan> I= agree with calling out MPLS-TP in the MPLS section as it is as you stated = a variant of MPLS. Agreed.

    In the section = on Routing Recommendations (was 6.2) you say (for the bullet on ECMP).

    • =E2=80=9CMention IPv4 is based on uneven flow based load bala= ncing which is subject to polarization of flow due to high bandwidth flows = being hashed to the same path.=E2=80=9D
      Isn=E2=80=99t this exactly what = the paragraph in the document says about general hash-based load balancing?=
    =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = Gyan> Agreed the above bullet is redundant=C2=A0
    =

    The oth= er comments on this section have been incorporated.

    =C2=A0Gyan> Great=C2=A0

    <= p class=3D"MsoNormal">For the section on Protection Options (was 6.5.2), bu= t possibly applicable across the whole of the section on Network Survivabil= ity (was section 6.5), you say: =E2=80=9CMaybe worth mentioning the technol= ogy RSVP-TE & SR and its protection schemes available as we as IGP unic= ast routing local protection via IP-LFA, RLFA, TI-LFA.=E2=80=9D

    • MPLS-FRR is already mentioned higher up. It is definitely a form of = TE.
    • I=E2=80=99ve added a= mention and reference for TI-LFA at around the same place.
    • Are the local protection schemes in the= IGPs actually forms of TE, or are they IGP alternate routes? I=E2=80=99m n= ot really sure.

    = =C2=A0Gyan> I agree that xLFA as Jeff mentioned are IGP based =E2= =80=9Clocal protection=E2=80=9D and not TE even though maybe constrained LF= A but still =C2=A0not quite TE. Agreed.

    That all looks like a lot of negative stuff, but that is because I=E2= =80=99ve only commented on the things not done. Lots of good stuff folded i= n.

    =C2=A0Gyan> No worries.=C2=A0 Most =C2=A0Excellent! =C2=A0

    Che= ers,

    Adrian<= /u>

    =C2=A0

    <= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0

    = From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
    = Sent: 27 May 2021 04:53
    To: Mohamed BOUCADAIR <mohamed.boucadair@or= ange.com>
    Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org

    Subject: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-1= 1.txt

    =C2=A0=

    Hi Adrian

    =C2=A0

    Attached is the review of 3272bis version 11=C2=A0 word document with com= ments along the side.

    =C2=A0

    I added some verbia= ge in the abstract & introduction section describing the three operator= environments that exist 1. Public internet, 2. Private domain with externa= l customers, 3. Internal corporate intranet domain

    <= div>

    Throughout the draft I changed "internet tr= affic engineering" to "traffic engineering" as there are thr= ee unique use cases of traffic engineering which I described each in detail= .=C2=A0 =C2=A0

    = =C2=A0

    Also once "traffic = engineering=C2=A0(TE) referred to traffic engineering as "TE"=C2= =A0 is noted I believe my comment is in the intro section that we should no= t=C2=A0have to spell TE out explicitly each=C2=A0time throughout the draft = except when a sentence starts with "traffic engineering".=C2=A0= =C2=A0

    =C2=A0<= /u>

    Some minor comments throughout the= draft.=C2=A0=C2=A0

    <= /u>=C2=A0

    Under the protection = section I mentioned local protection which I think should be mentioned LFA,= RLFA, TI-LFA.=C2=A0=C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    Section 6.2 - = I had some comments related=C2=A0to ECMP that if you would like I can do a = write-up on ECMP.=C2=A0=C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    Under 4.1.1= 6 SR-MPLS is mentioned but not SRv6 so I thought it may be worthwhile to me= ntion SRv6 as uses SR-TE steering even though not mpls based but as another= form of steering using IPv6 data plane.=C2=A0

    =

    =C2=A0

    Lastly,

    =C2= =A0

    I noticed Multicast wa= s not mentioned under IETF projects section or anywhere else in the draft. = I can add some verbiage to a section and talk about P2MP TE & replicati= on sid.=C2=A0 I did not comment on this in the draft as no multicast sectio= n exists.

    = =C2=A0

    Kind Regards

    =C2=A0

    =

    Gyan

    =C2=A0

    On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 11:26= AM Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> wrote:

    =C2=A0

    Hi Adrian=C2=A0<= u>

    =C2=A0

    <= div>

    I see you published a version 12.=C2=A0 I went t= hrough all of MEDs updates in version 11 and ensured that my updates are mu= tually exclusive no overlap of MEDs updates. =C2=A0

    =

    =C2=A0

    I built my updated on version 11.=C2=A0 I am almost done and wil= l send out tomorrow night.

    =C2=A0

    Thanks=C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    <= /div>

    Gyan

    =C2=A0

    On = Tue, May 18, 2021 at 11:00 AM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote:=

    Hi Adrian,
    Thank you for the replies. Here is some few follow-up points:

    = * s/within the control plane or by controllers/within the control or manage= ment plane

    * "I'm not clear about the term "resource-b= ased access control". Do you mean "policing"? If so, yes. Po= licing is mentioned just two sentences later"

    I actually meant = resource-based admission control. This is now covered by the new section yo= u added. Thanks.

    * " The word "economically" is, I t= hink, giving you a different meaning to what is intended. I think the word = is not intended to just mean "financially economical", but also t= o mean "not wasteful or profligate." This is similar to "eff= icient", but not the same. In this context, "economically" w= ould certainly apply to power use, money, and any other resource.
    I spen= t a little time trying to think of an equivalent word (because if it is cau= sing you unrest, it will do the same for other readers), but I was unable t= o think of one.":

    The concern I had is that the observed behav= ior is conditioned by the metrics/attributes/information that can be dissem= inated and acted upon. Optimizing the forwarding with a set of metrics as i= nputs does not guarantee that the overall forwarding is economically-optimi= zed. That's why I provided the example of power-consumption. Such optim= ization is not currently supported at the level of a network (despite that = some optimization can be made at the node/card level).

    Cheers,
    Me= d

    > -----Message d'origine-----
    > De=C2=A0: Adrian Farr= el [mailto:adrian@= olddog.co.uk]
    > Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0: samedi 15 mai 2021 19:40
    &g= t; =C3=80=C2=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com><= br>> Objet=C2=A0: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.t= xt
    >
    > Here's the file.
    >
    > Many thanks for l= ooking at this.
    >
    > Adrian
    >
    > -----Original Mess= age-----
    > From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
    > Sent: 15 May 202= 1 18:11
    > To: 'mohamed.boucadair@orange.com' <mohamed.boucadair@orange.c= om>;
    > 'teas@ietf.org' <teas@ietf.org>
    > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org= >
    > Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.= txt
    >
    > Hi Med,
    >
    > Thanks for all of your commen= ts.
    >
    > Nearly everything is accepted and included.
    > > Not sure the best way to respond to your Word file, so I embedded my=
    > responses and I'll send it to you under separate cover (no nee= d to
    > spam the mailing list).
    >
    > There'll be a -12= along soon to capture your improvements.
    >
    > Best,
    > Ad= rian
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: mohamed.boucadair@ora= nge.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
    > Sent: 03 May 2021 15:49=
    > To: adria= n@olddog.co.uk; teas= @ietf.org
    > Cc: 'TEAS WG Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org>
    > = Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
    > <= br>> Hi Adrian, all,
    >
    > FWIW, you may find some comments a= t:
    > * pdf:
    > https://github.com/boucada= ir/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft-
    > ietf-teas
    > -rf= c3272bis-11-rev%20Med.pdf
    > * doc:
    > http= s://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/raw/master/draft-
    > = ietf-teas-
    > rfc3272bis-11-rev%20Med.docx
    >
    > Cheers,> Med
    >
    > > -----Message d'origine-----
    > >= ; De=C2=A0: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Adrian
    > Farrel
    = > > Envoy=C3=A9=C2=A0: mercredi 7 avril 2021 21:24 =C3=80=C2=A0: teas@ietf.org Cc=C2=A0: = 'TEAS
    > WG
    > > Chairs' <teas-chairs@ietf.org> Objet=C2=A0: = Re: [Teas] I-D Action:
    > > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
    &g= t; >
    > > With this version I have filled in the remaining TBDs:=
    > > - small section on intent-based network
    > > - small = section on multi-layer TE (thanks, Lou, for the suggestion)
    > > - = change log from 3272
    > >
    > > As far as I'm concerned = this document is complete modulo review
    > > comments.
    > >=
    > > It *really* needs review, but I can't force you!
    > = > Maybe you can look at the sections of special interest to you?
    >= > Maybe the original Design Team could take another look?
    > ><= br>> > Otherwise: time for WG last call?
    > >
    > > Th= anks,
    > > Adrian
    > >
    > > -----Original Message--= ---
    > > From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Be= half Of
    > > internet-drafts@ietf.org
    > > Sent: 07 April 2021 19:25=
    > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
    > > Cc: teas@ietf.org
    > > Subject: I-D Action: dr= aft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11.txt
    > >
    > >
    > > A Ne= w Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
    > >= directories.
    > > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Enginee= ring Architecture
    > and
    > > Signaling WG of the IETF.
    >= ; >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Overview and Principles of Internet
    > Traff= ic
    > > Engineering
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0A= uthor=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : Adrian Farrel
    > >=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272b= is-11.txt
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0: 91
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : 2021-04-07
    > >
    > > Abstract:
    &g= t; >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document describes the principles of traffic engi= neering
    > (TE)
    > > in
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the Internet= .=C2=A0 The document is intended to promote better
    > >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in
    > = IP
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 networks and the networks that support IP netw= orking, and to
    > > provide
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 a common basi= s for the development of traffic engineering
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 capa= bilities for the Internet.=C2=A0 The principles, architectures,
    > and=
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 methodologies for performance evaluation and per= formance
    > > optimization
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of operational= networks are also discussed.
    > >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This w= ork was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002.=C2=A0 This
    > > do= cument
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete up= date to bring the text
    > in
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 line with best = current practices for Internet traffic
    > engineering
    > > and=
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to include references to the latest relevant wor= k in the IETF.
    > >
    > >
    > > The IETF datatracker = status page for this draft is:
    > > https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/
    > >
    > >= There are also htmlized versions available at:
    > > h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11
    > > <= a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-= 11" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas= -rfc3272bis-11
    > >
    > > A diff from the previous versi= on is available at:
    > > https://www.ietf.org/= rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-11
    > >
    > ><= br>> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time= of
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I like the revised version but I will like it even more if it addresses thi= s pending comment :-) https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/teas/TcPmT0mbB0JUJoR9gnTSXUj3SIs/.=20= =20=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Teas De la part de Adrian Farrel > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 23 f=E9vrier 2022 21:32 > =C0=A0: teas@ietf.org > Objet=A0: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt >=20 > I know you've not been able to sleep for the last four months, waiting > (as you have been) with barely contained enthusiasm for the next > revision of this draft. >=20 > Thanks for this revision go to Med and Gyan. They both submitted > substantial comments. I addressed most of Med's comments in -13, but > this revision completes on the points Med raised and handles yan's > review modulo the email I just sent. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 23 February 2022 20:28 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: teas@ietf.org > Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and > Signaling WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic > Engineering > Author : Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt > Pages : 93 > Date : 2022-02-23 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) in > the Internet. The document is intended to promote better > understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP > networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to provide > a common basis for the development of traffic engineering > capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, and > methodologies for performance evaluation and performance optimization > of operational networks are also discussed. >=20 > This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. 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I think that we converge on the intended scope. I hope to see a revised ver= sion with a clear separation between the generic architecture with less det= ails about specific solutions/extensions + balanced treatment of the variou= s options to achieve aggregation. Cheers, Med De : Teas De la part de Tarek Saad Envoy=E9 : mercredi 23 f=E9vrier 2022 20:25 =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET ; Lou Berge= r ; TEAS WG Cc : TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ie= tf.org Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hi Med, See below for follow-up responses. >> [Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the draft are ** exampl= es ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identification). Other solu= tions (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. = If we want the architecture to survive to individual solutions, an arch-ori= ented document has more merit. Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures= and it is not clear if they apply to the generic architecture or to the sp= ecific solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in "offloading" = specific solution details to these solution documents rather than having re= dundant discussion also included in this arch document. [TS]: yes, the intention is to discuss the protocol and/or dataplane extens= ions related to the solution in separate documents (potentially driven at t= he respective WGs). We can make sure any such details are not discussed in = this document. At this time, the document only provides references to the r= elated work driven outside its scope. >> [Med] Sure. I'm referring to these three I-Ds. [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy] Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., Peng, S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "YANG Data Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K., and A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] [TS] : we acknowledge the inconsistency here. We will move these references= to informative in the next revision. Also, the language is not consistent for all cited solution drafts, e.g., An NRP Policy MAY include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as defined in [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] vs. [I-D.decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to repurpose the ELI/EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in order to minimize the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental deployment. I would remove the normative language for the text pointing to mspl4fa. [TS]: OK, will make sure the language is consistent for the cited drafts. Regards, Tarek From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 4:48 AM To: Tarek Saad >, Lou Berge= r >, TEAS WG > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs >, dra= ft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hi Tarek, Please see inline. Cheers, Med De : Teas > De la part = de Tarek Saad Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 f=E9vrier 2022 22:17 =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET >; Lou Berger >; TEAS WG > Cc : TEAS WG Chairs >; dr= aft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Thanks Med as usual for your feedback and comments. See inline for response= s. From: Teas > on behalf = of mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM To: Lou Berger >, TEAS WG > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs >, dra= ft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hi all, I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: (1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubuserconte= nt.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05= -rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated versio= n after that review, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of= these concerns with the latest version. (2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, = this would conflict with the scope set for the draft: [TS]: We have made a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parall= el with 2475 (glad you like it). This is meant to be a solution document --= the intent with the narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel a= nd then discuss the solution-specific details. [Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the draft are ** examples = ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identification). Other solutio= ns (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. If = we want the architecture to survive to individual solutions, an arch-orient= ed document has more merit. Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures an= d it is not clear if they apply to the generic architecture or to the speci= fic solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in "offloading" spe= cific solution details to these solution documents rather than having redun= dant discussion also included in this arch document. "The focus of this document is on the mechanisms required at the device level to address the requirements of network slicing in packet networks." This is even worse as the document says: A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slice-Flow Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forwarding treatment or NRP-PHB. One or more fields within the packet MAY be used as an FAS to do this. which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO. [TS]: No, it's definitely not the intent. [Med] Great. I hope this will be clarified in the text. What's stated is any router that needs enforce a specific SFA forwarding tr= eatment is required to associate the packets to a SFA. Routers that don't n= eed to enforce SFA forwarding treatment are not required to do so. We'll tr= y to rephrase this as Joel put in his response. Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned. (3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data plan= e extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for example the work doc= umented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-networ= k-slices-instantation-02 [TS]: Indeed. The document describes a 'control plane only' slicing mode for network resources. In that case, the network resources are manage= d in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements. (4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational. [TS]: We believe it should be standards track. There are a set of new const= ructs and behaviors that are introduced in the document. [Med] Given the parallel with 2475 (which is informational) and that this i= s *an* approach among others to realize slices, I maintain the comment. (5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS= Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks" (6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology ... ag= nostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific details and ev= en normative references pointing to some "path control" mechanisms. [TS]: the document is not prescriptive on the technology of choice to estab= lish the transport paths. However, the concepts proposed, are applicable in= dependent of choice of technology. [Med] Glad to hear that. Having some text that echoes this reply would be g= reat. Thanks. (7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative. [TS]: it helps if you can provide a specific example. [Med] Sure. I'm referring to these three I-Ds. [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy] Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., Peng, S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "YANG Data Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K., and A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work in Progress, Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 October 2021, . [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] Also, the language is not consistent for all cited solution drafts, e.g., An NRP Policy MAY include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as defined in [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa] vs. [I-D.decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to repurpose the ELI/EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in order to minimize the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental deployment. I would remove the normative language for the text pointing to mspl4fa. (8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think the inten= t is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated themselves, then a stat= e is needed to be maintained in the network about these individual slices (= at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggre= gate). If services are aggregated, then the optimization at the boundary de= vices is made possible. The "aggregation" information will need to be maint= ained in controllers. [Med] I hope the point is will be addressed. (9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)). [TS]: ack, we propose to update the above as follows: NEW: the mapping of one or more IETF network slices to a Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IETF Network Slice Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also maintain a mapping of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a SFA. (10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate. [TS]: indeed. The document does not preclude this option. We can add a stat= ement to make it explicit too. Regards, Tarek (for the co-authors) Thank you. 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    Hi Tarek,

     

    Thank you for the follow-up.

     

    I think that we converge on the i= ntended scope. I hope to see a revised version with a clear separation betw= een the generic architecture with less details about specific solutions/extensions + balanced treatment of the various opti= ons to achieve aggregation.  

     

    Cheers,

    Med

     

    De := Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Tarek Saad
    Envoy=E9 : mercredi 23 f=E9vrier 2022 20:25
    =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.= com>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>=
    Cc : TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar= -teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
    Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pack= et-08

     

    Hi M= ed,

     

    See = below for follow-up responses.

     

    >= > [Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the draft are **= examples ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identification). Other solutions (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar= features. If we want the architecture to survive to individual solutions, = an arch-oriented document has more merit. Also, as there are already 5 IPR = disclosures and it is not clear if they apply to the generic architecture or to the specific solutions I-D= s cited in the draft, I do see a value in “offloading” specific= solution details to these solution documents rather than having redundant = discussion also included in this arch document.

    [= TS]: yes, the intention is to discuss the protocol and/or dataplane extensi= ons related to the solution in separate documents (potentially driven at th= e respective WGs). We can make sure any such details are not discussed in this document. At this time, the documen= t only provides references to the related work driven outside its scope.

     

    >= > [Med] Sure. I’m referring to t= hese three I-Ds.

     
        [I-D.bestb=
    ar-teas-yang-slice-policy]

             =      Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., = Peng,

             =      S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "= YANG Data

             =      Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, In= ternet-Draft,

             =      draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 Octobe= r 2021,

             =      <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bestbar-= teas-yang-

             =      slice-policy-02.txt>.=

     

       [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo]

             =      Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K= ., and

             =      A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work= in Progress,

             =      Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 Oc= tober

             =      2021, <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ie= tf-lsr-

             =      flex-algo-18.txt>.

     

       [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa]

     

    [= TS] : we acknowledge the inconsistency here. We will move these refere= nces to informative in the next revision.

     

     

    Also, the language is not consistent for all cited sol= ution drafts, e.g.,

     

          An NRP Policy MAY =
    include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as
          defined in [I-D.ko=
    mpella-mpls-mspl4fa]

     

    vs.

     

          [I-D.decraene-mpls=
    -slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to
          repurpose the ELI/=
    EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in
          order to minimize =
    the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental
          deployment.=
    

     

    I would remove the normative language for the text poi= nting to mspl4fa.

    [= TS]: OK, will make sure the language is consistent for the cited drafts.

     

    R= egards,

    T= arek

     

    From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com&g= t;
    Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 4:48 AM
    To: Tarek Saad <tsaad.net@= gmail.com>, Lou Berger <lberg= er@labn.net>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf= .org>
    Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-= chairs@ietf.org>, draft-bestbar-teas= -ns-packet@ietf.org <draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org>
    Subject: RE: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-0= 8

    = Hi Tarek,

    =  

    = Please see inline.

    =  

    = Cheers,

    = Med

    =  

    De := Teas <teas-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de Tarek Saad
    Envoy=E9 : mardi 22 f=E9vrier 2022 22:17
    =C0 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>; Lou Berger <= ;lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <= teas@ietf.org>
    Cc : TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar-teas= -ns-packet@ietf.org
    Objet : Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pack= et-08

     

    Than= ks Med as usual for your feedback and comments. See inline for responses.

    &nbs= p;

    From: Teas= <teas-bounces@ietf.org>= on behalf of mohamed.boucadair@orange.co= m <mohamed.boucadair= @orange.com>
    Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:40 AM
    To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.= net>, TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org= >
    Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-= chairs@ietf.org>, draft-bestbar-teas= -ns-packet@ietf.org <draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org>
    Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-0= 8

    Hi all,

    I highly appreciate the effort made by various author groups to edit this d= ocument. Please find below some comments, fwiw: 

    (1) I reviewed a previous version of the draft (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/boucadair/IETF= -Drafts-Reviews/master/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-05-rev%20Med.pdf). I know that Tarek (many thanks) released an updated version after that rev= iew, but when checking the diff 05-08, I still have many of these concerns = with the latest version.

    (2) I have a mixed feeling when reading this document. I like the architect= ural parallel with 2475, but I'm less comfortable with many of the individu= al solutions cited in the draft. Separating the overall architecture discus= sion vs. solution-specific details would be my favorite approach. However, this would conflict with the scope= set for the draft:

    [TS]= : We have made a conscious attempt to maintain the architectural parallel w= ith 2475 (glad you like it). This is meant to be a solution document -- the= intent with the narrative is to highlight the architectural parallel and then discuss the solution-specific details.=

    &nbs= p;

    [Med] The individual solutions that are cited in the d= raft are ** examples ** to achieve specific features (e.g. global identific= ation). Other solutions (including future ones) may be proposed to provide similar features. If we want the architecture t= o survive to individual solutions, an arch-oriented document has more merit= . Also, as there are already 5 IPR disclosures and it is not clear if they = apply to the generic architecture or to the specific solutions I-Ds cited in the draft, I do see a value in = “offloading” specific solution details to these solution docume= nts rather than having redundant discussion also included in this arch docu= ment.


       "The focus of this document is on the
       mechanisms required at the device level to address the require= ments
       of network slicing in packet networks."

    This is even worse as the document says: 

       A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slic= e-Flow
       Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forward= ing
       treatment or NRP-PHB.  One or more fields within the pack= et MAY be
       used as an FAS to do this.

    which seems to mandate that ** every ** router in the network should be sli= ce-aware, which is not required IMO.

    [TS]= : No, it’s definitely not the intent.

    [Med] Great. I hope this will be clarified in the text.

     

    What= ’s stated is any router that needs enforce a specific SFA forwarding = treatment is required to associate the packets to a SFA. Routers that don&#= 8217;t need to enforce SFA forwarding treatment are not required to do so. We'll try to rephrase this as Joel put in his respo= nse.


    Also, the parallel of an NRP vs. per-domain behavior (PDB) is worth to be m= entioned.

    (3) I would like if the document can be more explicit in answering question= s such as: "Can we realize a slice without having to define a new data= plane extension?". The answer is definitely "Yes". See for = example the work documented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-barguil-teas-network-slices-ins= tantation-02

    [TS]= : Indeed. The document describes a ‘control plane only’ slicing mode for network resources. In that case, the network resources= are managed in the control plane without additional dataplane requirements= .

    &nbs= p;


    (4) I don't think the document should be published in the Standards Track, = but Informational.

    &nbs= p;

    [TS]= : We believe it should be standards track. There are a set of new construct= s and behaviors that are introduced in the document.

    [Med] Given the parallel with 2475 (which is informati= onal) and that this is *an* approach among others to realize slices, I main= tain the comment.



    (5) I suggest to update the title form "Realizing Network Slices in IP= /MPLS Networks" to "An Approach for Realizing Network Slices in I= P/MPLS Networks"

    (6) The document states that it " provides a path control technology .= .. agnostic solution .", while it includes many solution-specific deta= ils and even normative references pointing to some "path control"= mechanisms.

    &nbs= p;

    [TS]: the document is not prescriptive on the te= chnology of choice to establish the transport paths. However, the concepts = proposed, are applicable independent of choice of technology.

    [Med] Glad to hear that= . Having some text that echoes this reply would be great. Thanks.


    (7) It is not clear to me what was the rationale for keeping some individua= l I-Ds as normative, while accepting to move some others to be informative.

    [TS]= : it helps if you can provide a specific example.

    [Med] Sure. I’m referring to these th=
    ree I-Ds. 
     
        [I-D.bestb=
    ar-teas-yang-slice-policy]

             =      Saad, T., Beeram, V. P., Wen, B., Ceccarelli, D., = Peng,

             =      S., Chen, R., Contreras, L. M., and X. Liu, "= YANG Data

             =      Model for Slice Policy", Work in Progress, In= ternet-Draft,

             =      draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy-02, 25 Octobe= r 2021,

             =      <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bestbar-= teas-yang-

             =      slice-policy-02.txt>.=

     

       [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo]

             =      Psenak, P., Hegde, S., Filsfils, C., Talaulikar, K= ., and

             =      A. Gulko, "IGP Flexible Algorithm", Work= in Progress,

             =      Internet-Draft, draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-18, 25 Oc= tober

             =      2021, <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ie= tf-lsr-

             =      flex-algo-18.txt>.

     

       [I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa]

     

    Also, the language is not consistent for all cited sol= ution drafts, e.g.,

     

          An NRP Policy MAY =
    include a Global Identifier FAS (GIS) field as
          defined in [I-D.ko=
    mpella-mpls-mspl4fa]

     

    vs.

     

          [I-D.decraene-mpls=
    -slid-encoded-entropy-label-id] also proposes to
          repurpose the ELI/=
    EL [RFC6790] to carry the Slice Identifier in
          order to minimize =
    the size of the MPLS stack and ease incremental
          deployment.=
    

     

    I would remove the normative language for the text poi= nting to mspl4fa.


    (8) The document reasons about aggregating "slices" while I think= the intent is "slice services". If the slices are aggregated the= mselves, then a state is needed to be maintained in the network about these= individual slices (at least at boundary nodes to glue an individual slice and its parent aggregate). If services are aggregated,= then the optimization at the boundary devices is made possible. The "= aggregation" information will need to be maintained in controllers.

    [Med] I hope the point is will be addressed.


    (9) The definition section includes some architectural assumptions, e.g., <= br>
          the mapping of one or more IETF network slic= es to a
          Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
          Controller.

    This may also be maintained by an ingress node (as per (8)).

    &nbs= p;

    [TS]= : ack, we propose to update the above as follows:

    &nbs= p;

    NEW:=

    &nbs= p;     the mapping of one or more IETF network slices t= o a
          Slice-Flow Aggregate is maintained by the IE= TF Network Slice
          Controller. The boundary nodes MAY also main= tain a mapping

    &nbs= p;     of specific IETF network slice service(s) to a S= FA.



    (10) Many parts of the document can just apply to individual slices, not on= ly aggregates. It would be helpful to call this out as appropriate.

    [TS]= : indeed. The document does not preclude this option. We can add a statemen= t to make it explicit too.

    &nbs= p;

    Rega= rds,

    Tare= k (for the co-authors)

    &nbs= p;


    Thank you.

    Cheers,
    Med

    > -----Message d'origine-----
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    > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 f=E9vrier 2022 14:28
    > =C0 : TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org<= /a>>
    > Cc : TEAS WG Chairs <
    t= eas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-
    > packet@ietf.org
    > Objet : [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08<= br> >
    > Hello,
    >
    > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
    > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/
    >
    > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
    > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-best= bar-
    > teas-ns-packet
    >
    > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the=
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    >
    > Thank you,
    > Lou (as Co-chair)
    >
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Thu, 24 Feb 2022 01:48:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8f363bb66a0a47d3b6dd278c236e04dc@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <8f363bb66a0a47d3b6dd278c236e04dc@huawei.com> From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 03:48:26 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Wubo (lana)" Cc: Lou Berger , TEAS WG , TEAS WG Chairs , "draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000086eb3805d8c07ce0" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 09:48:47 -0000 --00000000000086eb3805d8c07ce0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bo, Please see inline for responses (prefixed [Pavan]). Regards, -Pavan (as co-author) On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:02 PM Wubo (lana) wrote: > Hi Pavan, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please see inline for my further comments. > > > > Thanks, > > Bo > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gm= ail.com] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8823=E6=97= =A5 22:29 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Wubo (lana) > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Lou Berger ; TEAS WG ; TEAS WG > Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-= packet-08 > > > > Bo, > > > > Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB).. > > > > Regards, > > -Pavan (on behalf of the authors) > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM Wubo (lana) 40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and terms. > > 1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) based > mapping solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, and SFAs to > NRP(Network Resource Partition)s. > If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization document, I > think, it should allow more options. For example, the slice services coul= d > be mapped to VPNs, and > VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang. > > > > [VPB] Please refer to section 5.3 ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08#sec= tion-5.3 > ). > It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic onto > paths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly allowed. W= e > can add a reference to draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in this > section and make it explicit. > > *[Bo Wu] Thanks for the clarification, but my concerns are not just about= Section 5.3. Taking Section 3.3 as an example, Slice-Flow Aggregation Map= ping, there are also multiple sections titled with SFA. I hope that the nam= e can be changed to "slice service mapping=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cslice ser= vice flow mapping" and the options described in section 5.3 can also be ref= lected in those sections. Otherwise, as Med suggested, maybe the draft name= could be changed to =E2=80=9CRealizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks = supporting SFA=E2=80=9D.* > > > [Pavan] Service Mapping (mapping service traffic to the underlay path) is an essential component in the slice service realization process that is administered at the edge points. This is introduced in Section 3.7 in the current version of the document and is further described in Section 5.3. As mentioned earlier, Section 5.3 allows for all existing service mapping techniques (and any new ones if/when proposed) to be employed. The existing techniques allow the mapping of service traffic to underlay paths to be done directly or with some level of indirection. [Pavan] What is discussed in Section 3.3 is the need to aggregate multiple IETF network slice traffic streams for better scaling. The definition of the SFA allows it to comprise traffic from just one IETF network slice, but the expectation (as has been stated before) is that this wouldn=E2=80=99t b= e the norm. > > 2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but the > following definition are not consistent: > 1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but is > seems relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Policy selection > Criteria in the model definition. > Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP Policy > selection criteria and are given the same forwarding treatment ; > > 2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, but apart > from Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. It is > recommended that the terms be consistent. > FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label. > > > > [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP policy data model draft > (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy data model dra= ft > needs to be updated to be in sync with the current terminology used in > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. This should get done in the next few days. > But please note that the NRP policy data model draft is not the one that = is > currently being polled for adoption. > > *[Bo Wu] I'm sorry my question is not clear. Let me rephrase it. As > described in the document, the SFA is maintained by the controller, which > means that the data plane within the device is not SFA aware. Then could > you explain the reason of defining FAS and FASL? And what are the > differences between them and Network Resource Partition Data Plane > Selector? * > > > [Pavan] For the deployment scenarios where the device needs to provide specific treatment for the slice flow aggregate traffic, the packets are classified and =E2=80=9Cmarked=E2=80=9D at the edge nodes and the interior = nodes rely on these =E2=80=9Cmarkings=E2=80=9D to provide the necessary treatment. We are= using the term Flow Aggregate Selector (FAS) to denote this marking (which is independent of any other traditional marking -- like TC in an MPLS packet). An interior node that is providing the necessary treatment based on the FAS does NOT need to know which specific IETF network slice traffic streams have been mapped onto the aggregate. But it does need to know what specific marking to look for in the packet and what specific treatment to provide for the SFA. This information is provided by the NRP policy (supporting the SFA) available on the device. Section 5.1.1 (the title of which you are referring to) discusses the component in the NRP policy definition which specifies the FAS. And, Section 5.1.3 discusses the component in the NRP policy definition which specifies the treatment. Also, please do note that the use of the FAS is not mandatory; the document also discusses deployment scenarios (Section 4.2) where the FAS is not used. > > Thanks, > Bo > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Lou Berger > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8818=E6=97= =A5 21:28 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs ; > > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pack= et-08 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r-teas-n > > s-packet > > > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the > end of the > > day (any time zone) March 4. > > > > Thank you, > > Lou (as Co-chair) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > --00000000000086eb3805d8c07ce0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Bo,=C2=A0=C2=A0

    Please see inline for responses (prefixed [Pavan]).

    Regar= ds,
    -Pavan (as co-author)

    On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:02 PM Wubo (lana) &= lt;lana.wubo@huawei.com> wro= te:

    Hi Pavan,

    =C2=A0=

    Thanks for your reply. Plea= se see inline for my further comments.

    =C2=A0=

    Thanks,

    Bo

    =C2=A0=

    =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Vishnu P= avan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
    =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8823=E6=97=A5 22:29
    =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo@huawei.com>
    =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draf= t-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
    =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08=

    =C2=A0

    Bo,=C2=A0=C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    Please see inline for responses (prefi= xed VPB)..

    =C2=A0

    Regards,

    -Pavan (on behalf of the authors)

    =C2=A0

    On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM= Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo=3D40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:=

    Hi all,

    I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and terms.

    1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) based mappi= ng solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, and SFAs to NRP(Netwo= rk Resource Partition)s.
    If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization document, I t= hink, it should allow more options. For example, the slice services could b= e mapped to VPNs, and
    VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in draft-ietf-tea= s-te-service-mapping-yang.

    =C2=A0

    [VPB]=C2=A0Please refe= r to section 5.3 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08#section-5.3). It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic onto p= aths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly allowed.=C2= =A0We can add a reference to draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in thi= s section and make it explicit.

    [Bo Wu] Thanks for the clarification, b=
    ut my concerns are not just about Section 5.3. Taking Section 3.3 as an exa=
    mple,=C2=A0 Slice-Flow Aggregation Mapping, there are also multiple section=
    s titled with SFA. I hope that the name can be changed to=C2=A0 "slice=
     service mapping=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 or =E2=80=9Cslice service flow mapping"=
    ; and the options described in section 5.3 can also be reflected in those s=
    ections. Otherwise, as Med suggested, maybe the draft name could be changed=
     to =E2=80=9CRealizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks supporting SFA=E2=
    =80=9D.

    =C2=A0


    [Pavan] Service Mapping (mapping service = traffic to the underlay path) is an essential component in the slice servic= e realization process that is administered at the edge points. This<= span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">=C2=A0<= span style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">is introduced = in Section 3.7 in the current version of the document and is further descri= bed in Section 5.3. As mentioned earlier, Section 5.3 allows for all existi= ng service mapping techniques (and any new ones if/when proposed) to be emp= loyed. The existing techniques allow the mapping of service traffic to unde= rlay paths to be done directly or with some level of indirection.=C2=A0

    <= /div>
    [Pavan] What is = discussed in Section 3.3 is the need to aggregate multiple IETF network sli= ce traffic streams for better scaling. The definition of the SFA allows it = to comprise traffic from just one IETF network slice, but the expectation (= as has been stated before) is that this wouldn=E2=80=99t be the norm.=C2=A0=
    =C2=A0


    2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but the follo= wing definition are not consistent:
    1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but is seems= relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Policy selection Cr= iteria in the model definition.
    Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP Policy sele= ction criteria and are given the same forwarding treatment ;

    2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, but apart f= rom Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. It is recommended= that the terms be consistent.
    FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label.

    =C2=A0

    [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP = policy data model draft (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP= policy data model draft needs to be updated to be in sync with the current terminology used in draft-bestba= r-teas-ns-packet. This should get=C2=A0done in the next few days. But pleas= e note that the NRP policy data model draft is not the one that is currentl= y being polled for adoption.

    [Bo Wu] I'm sorry= my question is not clear. Let me rephrase it. As described in the document= , the SFA is maintained by the controller, which means that the data plane within the device is not SFA aware. Then could y= ou explain the reason of defining=C2=A0 FAS and FASL? And what are the diff= erences between them and Network Resource Partition Data Plane Selector?

    =C2=A0


    [Pavan]=C2=A0For= the deployment scenarios where the device needs to provide specific treatm= ent for the slice flow aggregate traffic, the packets are classified and = =E2=80=9Cmarked=E2=80=9D at the edge nodes and the interior nodes rely on t= hese =E2=80=9Cmarkings=E2=80=9D to provide the necessary treatment. We are = using the term Flow Aggregate Selector (FAS) to denote this marking (which = is independent of any other traditional marking -- like TC in an MPLS packe= t).=C2=A0 An interior node that is providing the necessary treatment based = on the FAS does NOT need to know which specific IETF network slice traffic = streams have been mapped onto the aggregate. But it does need to know what = specific marking to look for in the packet and what specific treatment to p= rovide for the SFA. This information is provided by the NRP policy (support= ing the SFA) available on the device. Section 5.1.1 (the title of which you= are referring to) discusses the component in the NRP policy definition whi= ch specifies the FAS. And, Section 5.1.3 discusses the component in the NRP= policy definition which specifies the treatment. Also, please do note that= the use of the FAS is not mandatory;=C2=A0the document als= o discusses deployment scenarios (Section 4.2) where the FAS is not used.
    =C2=A0


    Thanks,
    Bo
    > -----
    =E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-= ----
    >
    =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Teas [mailto:= teas-bounces@iet= f.org] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Lou Berger
    >
    =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022= =E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=88= 18=E6=97=A5 21:28
    >
    =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG <<= a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">teas@ietf.org>
    >
    =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org= >;
    > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
    >
    =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption pol= l: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08
    >
    > Hello,
    >
    > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
    > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/
    >
    > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
    > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-best= bar-teas-n
    > s-packet
    >
    > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the= end of the
    > day (any time zone) March 4.
    >
    > Thank you,
    > Lou (as Co-chair)
    >
    > _______________________________________________
    > Teas mailing list
    > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas
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teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:03:53 -0000 --000000000000821df805d8c4e32d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kenichi, Hi! Thanks for the review! This draft discusses the use of Network Resource Partition (NRP) to support a Slice-Flow Aggregate. The NRP identifier is unique within an NRP domain and is meant for use in the control/management plane to identify the resources associated with the NRP (this should be the identifier used in any relevant control-plane protocol extensions). The NRP-ID is not the same as Flow-Aggregate Selector (FAS). The FAS is quite simply the marking in the data plane packet that identifies a Slice-Flow Aggregate. The same Slice-Flow Aggregate may be identified by multiple Flow-Aggregate Selectors (see the example in Section 5.1.1 where a range of VPN service labels =E2=80=93 each acting as a FAS =E2=80=93 select= the same Slice-Flow Aggregate). The solution architecture leaves room for an implementation to overload the NRP-ID and use it as a FAS =E2=80=93 but tha= t is strictly an implementation choice. And yes, we do expect all other related work to eventually align and adhere to what is specified in this document. Regards, -Pavan (as co-author) On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 3:14 AM Ogaki, Kenichi wrote: > Hi Authors, > > I'd just like to clarify. > Comparing Fig. 5 in draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices-05 with Fig. 1 in > this draft, I understand that this draft also describes one of solutions > realizing Network Resource Partition(NRP). > If my understanding is correct, NRP-ID is essentially same as FASL and > "Slice Aggregate ID" described at Fig.5 in > draft-bestbar-lsr-slice-aware-te-00. > From an operational perspective, it's burden to manage many slice related > components and the mappings of these components, e.g. connectivity matrix > <-> IETF network slice <-> Slice-flow Aggregate <-> FAS <-> NRP. > Do authors have any thought to at least unify these identifiers in a > series of bestbar drafts. Or, is there any reason not able to unify these= ? > > Thanks, > Kenichi > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 10:28 PM > To: TEAS WG > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs ; > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > Subject: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r-teas-ns-packet > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the en= d > of the day (any time zone) March 4. > > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --000000000000821df805d8c4e32d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Kenichi, Hi!=

    =C2=A0

    Thanks for the review! This draft discusses the use of Network Resource Partition (NRP) to support a Slice-Flow Aggregate. The NRP identifier is unique within an NRP domain and= is meant for use in the control/management plane to identify the resources associated with the NRP (this should be the identifier used in any relevant= control-plane protocol extensions).

    =C2=A0

    The NRP-ID is not the same as Flow-Aggregate Selector (FAS). The FAS is quite simply the marking in the d= ata plane packet that identifies a Slice-Flow Aggregate. The same Slice-Flow Aggregate may be identified by multiple Flow-Aggregate Selectors (see the example in Section 5.1.1 where a range of VPN service labels =E2=80=93 each= acting as a FAS =E2=80=93 select the same Slice-Flow Aggregate). The solution architect= ure leaves room for an implementation to overload the NRP-ID and use it as a FAS =E2= =80=93 but that is strictly an implementation choice.

    =C2=A0

    And yes, we do expect all oth= er related work to eventually align and adhere to what is specified in this do= cument.

    =C2=A0

    Regards,

    -Pavan (as co-author)<= /p>


    On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 3:14 AM Ogaki, Kenichi <ke-oogaki@kddi.com> wrote:
    Hi Authors,

    I'd just like to clarify.
    Comparing Fig. 5 in draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices-05 with Fig. 1 in t= his draft, I understand that this draft also describes one of solutions rea= lizing Network Resource Partition(NRP).
    If my understanding is correct, NRP-ID is essentially same as FASL and &quo= t;Slice Aggregate ID" described at Fig.5 in draft-bestbar-lsr-slice-aw= are-te-00.
    >From an operational perspective, it's burden to manage many slice relat= ed components and the mappings of these components, e.g. connectivity matri= x <-> IETF network slice <-> Slice-flow Aggregate <-> FAS= <-> NRP.
    Do authors have any thought to at least unify these identifiers in a series= of bestbar drafts. Or, is there any reason not able to unify these?

    Thanks,
    Kenichi
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Teas <t= eas-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Lou Berger
    Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 10:28 PM
    To: TEAS WG <teas@iet= f.org>
    Cc: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
    Subject: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08

    Hello,

    This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -bestbar-teas-ns-packet/

    Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
    https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-t= eas-ns-packet

    Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end = of the day (any time zone) March 4.

    Thank you,
    Lou (as Co-chair)

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Halpern" , TEAS WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000baaa9505d8c8c063" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 19:40:34 -0000 --000000000000baaa9505d8c8c063 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bo, Hi! I hope my previous email (addressed to you) would have helped clarify the questions on "service mapping". Please see inline (prefixed [Vishnu]) for point responses to your latest email. Regards, - Pavan (as co-author) On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:04 PM Wubo (lana) wrote: > Hi Joel, > > Thank you for your reply. In my opinion, what you're saying is different > from the reply of Pavan about aggregating multiple NS services. > [Vishnu] I'm in complete agreement with Joel's responses (I don't see how any of my responses contradict what he said). > Your view is: NS (n:1) -> slice flow aggregate (SFA) (n:1) > -->NRP > Section 5.3 (from Pavan): NS -> VPN-> SFA -->NRP > [Vishnu] You seem to have made some incorrect inferences from Section 5.3 and I hope the previous responses would have helped clarify this. Section 5.3 does discuss multiple examples of how existing techniques for steering service traffic onto underlay paths (TE tunnel / SR policy) can be used. These underlay paths may carry traffic associated with multiple Slice-Flow Aggregates. > My understanding, and Med also pointed out: NS (n:1) -> VPN (n:1) -> > TE-topology/TE-tunnel/SR-policy/NRP etc. > > And the document also says: > The mechanisms used by the controller to determine the mapping of one or > more IETF network slice to a Slice-Flow Aggregate are outside the scope o= f > this document. > > Therefore, slice flow aggregate does not appear to be a necessary for NS > realization. As the draft is intended as a general solution document, I > think the SFA is not needed, and it could cause some misunderstanding. > > Thanks, > Bo > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.co= m] > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8824=E6=97= =A5 10:10 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Wubo (lana) ; Vishnu= Pavan Beeram > > > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-= packet-08 > > > > I am not understanding your concern Wubo. Apologies. > > Please allow me to explain where it seems I am missing, and maybe you c= an > > clarify. > > > > We refer to the construct in teh draft as a slice flow aggregate so as = to > > emphasis and remind all readers that this component can carry multiple > > external slices. > > > > Having said that, as a deployment option, it is always possible for an > operator > > to use one slice flow aggregate for each external network slice (of > whatever > > kind). While I am concerned about the scaling of such an approach, it = is > > clearly permitted and supported by the approach describe in the draft. > > > > Yours, > > Joel > > > > On 2/23/2022 9:02 PM, Wubo (lana) wrote: > > > Hi Pavan, > > > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please see inline for my further comments. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bo > > > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan= @gmail.com] > > > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:*2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8823=E6= =97=A522:29 > > > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Wubo (lana) > > > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:*Lou Berger ; TEAS WG ; TEAS > > WG > > > Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > > > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:*Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-= ns-packet-08 > > > > > > Bo, > > > > > > Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB).. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Pavan (on behalf of the authors) > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM Wubo (lana) > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and > terms. > > > > > > 1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) > > > based mapping solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, > and > > > SFAs to NRP(Network Resource Partition)s. > > > If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization > > > document, I think, it should allow more options. For example, the > > > slice services could be mapped to VPNs, and > > > VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in > > > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang. > > > > > > [VPB] Please refer to section 5.3 > > > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-0= 8 > > > #section-5.3 > > > > > < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-be= st > > bar-teas-ns-packet-08*section-5.3__;Iw!!NEt6yMaO-gk!RKgzM9K5I6Crs9-9Ok > > xWcIvs0atMYM1O1zZWrRa009HkrnmqRqcVdrJg4EU6Aib-$>). > > > It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic > > > onto paths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly > > > allowed. We can add a reference to > > > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in this section and make it > > > explicit. > > > > > > */[Bo Wu] Thanks for the clarification, but my concerns are not just > > > about Section 5.3. Taking Section 3.3 as an example, Slice-Flow > > > Aggregation Mapping, there are also multiple sections titled with SFA= . > > > I hope that the name can be changed to "slice service mapping=E2=80= =9D or > > > =E2=80=9Cslice service flow mapping" and the options described in sec= tion 5.3 > > > can also be reflected in those sections. Otherwise, as Med suggested, > > > maybe the draft name could be changed to =E2=80=9CRealizing Network S= lices in > > > IP/MPLS Networks supporting SFA=E2=80=9D./* > > > > > > > > > 2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but > > > the following definition are not consistent: > > > 1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, bu= t > > > is seems relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Polic= y > > > selection Criteria in the model definition. > > > Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP > > > Policy selection criteria and are given the same forwarding > > > treatment ; > > > > > > 2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, b= ut > > > apart from Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. = It > > > is recommended that the terms be consistent. > > > FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label= . > > > > > > [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP policy data model > > > draft (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy data > > > model draft needs to be updated to be in sync with the current > > > terminology used in draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. This should get don= e > > > in the next few days. But please note that the NRP policy data model > > > draft is not the one that is currently being polled for adoption. > > > > > > */[Bo Wu] I'm sorry my question is not clear. Let me rephrase it. As > > > described in the document, the SFA is maintained by the controller, > > > which means that the data plane within the device is not SFA aware. > > > Then could you explain the reason of defining FAS and FASL? And what > > > are the differences between them and Network Resource Partition Data > > > Plane Selector? /* > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bo > > > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org > > > ] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8Lou Berger > > > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8818= =E6=97=A521:28 > > > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG > > > > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs > > >; > > > > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > > > > > > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas= -ns-packet-08 > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > > > > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r-teas-n > > > > > < > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r-teas- > > n> > > > > s-packet > > > > > > > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list > by the > > end of the > > > > day (any time zone) March 4. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Lou (as Co-chair) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Teas mailing list > > > > Teas@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Teas mailing list > > > Teas@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Teas mailing list > > > Teas@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > --000000000000baaa9505d8c8c063 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Bo, Hi!=C2=A0

    I hope my previous email (addressed to you) would have hel= ped clarify the=C2=A0questions on=C2=A0"service mapping".=C2=A0

    =
    Pl= ease see inline (prefixed [Vishnu]) for point responses to your latest emai= l.
    =
    Regards,
    - Pavan (as co-author)

    On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 10:04 PM Wubo (= lana) <lana.wubo@huawei.com&= gt; wrote:
    Hi Jo= el,

    Thank you for your reply. In my opinion, what you're saying is differen= t from the reply of Pavan about aggregating multiple NS services.

    [Vishnu] I'm in complete agreement with Joel's = responses (I don't see how any of my responses contradict what he said)= .
    =C2=A0
    Your view is:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0NS (n:1) ->= slice flow aggregate (SFA) (n:1) -->NRP
    Section 5.3 (from Pavan):=C2=A0 =C2=A0NS -> VPN-> SFA -->NRP

    [Vishnu]=C2=A0 You seem to have made some incorrect= inferences from Section 5.3 and I hope the previous responses would have h= elped clarify this. Section 5.3 does discuss multiple examples of how exist= ing techniques for steering service traffic onto underlay paths (TE tunnel = / SR policy) can be used. These underlay paths may carry traffic associated= with multiple Slice-Flow Aggregates.=C2=A0
    =C2=A0
    My understanding, and Med also pointed out:=C2=A0 NS (n:1) -> VPN (n:1) = -> TE-topology/TE-tunnel/SR-policy/NRP etc.

    And the document also says:
    The mechanisms used by the controller to determine the mapping of one or mo= re IETF network slice to a Slice-Flow Aggregate are outside the scope of th= is document.

    Therefore, slice flow aggregate does not appear to be a necessary for NS re= alization. As the draft is intended as a general solution document, I think= the SFA is not needed, and it could cause some misunderstanding.

    Thanks,
    Bo
    > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6-----
    > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:jmh@joelhalpern.com]
    > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8824=E6=97= =A5 10:10
    > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo@huawei.com>; Vishnu Pavan= Beeram
    > <vishnup= avan@gmail.com>
    > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>
    > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns= -packet-08
    >
    > I am not understanding your concern Wubo.=C2=A0 Apologies.
    > Please allow me to explain where it seems I am missing, and maybe you = can
    > clarify.
    >
    > We refer to the construct in teh draft as a slice flow aggregate so as= to
    > emphasis and remind all readers that this component can carry multiple=
    > external slices.
    >
    > Having said that, as a deployment option, it is always possible for an= operator
    > to use one slice flow aggregate for each external network slice (of wh= atever
    > kind).=C2=A0 While I am concerned about the scaling of such an approac= h, it is
    > clearly permitted and supported by the approach describe in the draft.=
    >
    > Yours,
    > Joel
    >
    > On 2/23/2022 9:02 PM, Wubo (lana) wrote:
    > > Hi Pavan,
    > >
    > > Thanks for your reply. Please see inline for my further comments.=
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Bo
    > >
    > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
    > > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:*2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8823= =E6=97=A522:29
    > > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:*Wubo (lana) <
    lana.wubo@huawei.com>
    > > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:*Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; TEAS
    > WG
    > > Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org=
    > > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:*Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-t= eas-ns-packet-08
    > >
    > > Bo,
    > >
    > > Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB)..
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > >
    > > -Pavan (on behalf of the authors)
    > >
    > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM Wubo (lana)
    > > <lana.wubo=3D40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org
    > > <mailto:40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
    > >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi all,
    > >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I have read the draft and have some questions = with the text and terms.
    > >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01. This document seems only define SFA (slice-= flow aggregation)
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0based mapping solution, that is, slice service= s mapping to SFAs, and
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0SFAs to NRP(Network Resource Partition)s.
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If this draft is supposed to be a generic slic= ing realization
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0document, I think, it should allow more option= s. For example, the
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0slice services could be mapped to VPNs, and > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0VPNs mapped to underlying resources with metho= d described in
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang.
    > >
    > > [VPB] Please refer to section 5.3
    > > (https://datatracker.= ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08
    > > #section-5.3
    > >
    > <https://urldefen= se.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-best
    > bar-teas-ns-packet-08*section-5.3__;Iw!!NEt6yMaO-gk!RKgzM9K5I6Crs9-9Ok=
    > xWcIvs0atMYM1O1zZWrRa009HkrnmqRqcVdrJg4EU6Aib-$>).
    > > It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traff= ic
    > > onto paths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certain= ly
    > > allowed.=C2=A0We can add a reference to
    > > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in this section and make = it
    > > explicit.
    > >
    > > */[Bo Wu] Thanks for the clarification, but my concerns are not j= ust
    > > about Section 5.3. Taking Section 3.3 as an example,=C2=A0 Slice-= Flow
    > > Aggregation Mapping, there are also multiple sections titled with= SFA.
    > > I hope that the name can be changed to=C2=A0 "slice service = mapping=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 or
    > > =E2=80=9Cslice service flow mapping" and the options describ= ed in section 5.3
    > > can also be reflected in those sections. Otherwise, as Med sugges= ted,
    > > maybe the draft name could be changed to =E2=80=9CRealizing Netwo= rk Slices in
    > > IP/MPLS Networks supporting SFA=E2=80=9D./*
    > >
    > >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yan= g-slice-policy, but
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the following definition are not consistent: > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-ya= ng-slice-policy, but
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is seems relevant from the definition. And I c= an't find NRP Policy
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0selection Criteria in the model definition. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets = that match an NRP
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Policy selection criteria and are given the sa= me forwarding
    > > treatment ;
    > >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy define= s Slice Selector, but
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0apart from Slice Selector, this draft also def= ines FAS and FASL. It
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is recommended that the terms be consistent. > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggre= gate Selector Label.
    > >
    > > [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP policy data mod= el
    > > draft (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy = data
    > > model draft needs to be updated to be in sync with the current > > terminology used in draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. This should get= =C2=A0done
    > > in the next few days. But please note that the NRP policy data mo= del
    > > draft is not the one that is currently being polled for adoption.=
    > >
    > > */[Bo Wu] I'm sorry my question is not clear. Let me rephrase= it. As
    > > described in the document, the SFA is maintained by the controlle= r,
    > > which means that the data plane within the device is not SFA awar= e.
    > > Then could you explain the reason of defining=C2=A0 FAS and FASL?= And what
    > > are the differences between them and Network Resource Partition D= ata
    > > Plane Selector? /*
    > >
    > >
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks,
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Bo
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6= -----
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Teas [mailto= :teas-bounces@ie= tf.org
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org>] =E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8Lo= u Berger
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 202= 2=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8818=E6=97=A521:28
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG <= teas@ietf.org <ma= ilto:teas@ietf.org&g= t;>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.or= g
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:teas-chairs@ietf.org>>;
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org=
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.o= rg>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption po= ll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hello,
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> This email begins a 2-week adoption poll = for:
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Please note that IPR has been disclosed o= n this document:
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
    > https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-teas-n=
    > >
    > <https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-tea= s-
    > n>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> s-packet
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Please voice your support or objections t= o adoption on the list by the
    > end of the
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> day (any time zone) March 4.
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Thank you,
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Lou (as Co-chair)
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> _________________________________________= ______
    > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Teas mailing list
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Not sure how I missed this. Working on it now. A -----Original Message----- From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com =20 Sent: 24 February 2022 06:36 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; teas@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt Hi Adrian, all,=20 Many thanks for the effort put into this document. I like the revised version but I will like it even more if it addresses = this pending comment :-) https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/teas/TcPmT0mbB0JUJoR9gnTSXUj3SIs/. = =20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Teas De la part de Adrian Farrel > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 23 f=E9vrier 2022 21:32 > =C0=A0: teas@ietf.org > Objet=A0: Re: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt >=20 > I know you've not been able to sleep for the last four months, waiting > (as you have been) with barely contained enthusiasm for the next > revision of this draft. >=20 > Thanks for this revision go to Med and Gyan. They both submitted > substantial comments. I addressed most of Med's comments in -13, but > this revision completes on the points Med raised and handles yan's > review modulo the email I just sent. >=20 > Best, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas On Behalf Of = internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 23 February 2022 20:28 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: teas@ietf.org > Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and > Signaling WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic > Engineering > Author : Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14.txt > Pages : 93 > Date : 2022-02-23 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) = in > the Internet. The document is intended to promote better > understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP > networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to = provide > a common basis for the development of traffic engineering > capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, and > methodologies for performance evaluation and performance = optimization > of operational networks are also discussed. >=20 > This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. This = document > obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text in > line with best current practices for Internet traffic engineering = and > to include references to the latest relevant work in the IETF. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/ >=20 > There is also an htmlized version available at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-14 >=20 >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at = rsync.ietf.org::internet- > drafts >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas _________________________________________________________________________= ___ _____________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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From nobody Thu Feb 24 14:46:26 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488B23A08A6; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 14:46:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.46.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teas@ietf.org Message-ID: <164574277721.13799.16880429624038022379@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 14:46:17 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:46:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering Author : Adrian Farrel Filename : draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt Pages : 94 Date : 2022-02-24 Abstract: This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) in the Internet. The document is intended to promote better understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to provide a common basis for the development of traffic engineering capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, and methodologies for performance evaluation and performance optimization of operational networks are also discussed. This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. This document obsoletes RFC 3272 by making a complete update to bring the text in line with best current practices for Internet traffic engineering and to include references to the latest relevant work in the IETF. 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Also fixed all the references to include URLs where available. I have no further changes in the buffer. Adrian -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org =20 Sent: 24 February 2022 22:46 To: Adrian Farrel Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt has been successfully submitted by Adrian Farrel and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis Revision: 15 Title: Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering Document date: 2022-02-24 Group: teas Pages: 94 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis/ Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15 Abstract: This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) in the Internet. 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This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : GMPLS Signaling Extensions for Shared Mesh Protection Authors : Jia He Italo Busi Jeong-dong Ryoo Bin Yeong Yoon Peter Park Filename : draft-ietf-teas-gmpls-signaling-smp-11.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2022-02-24 Abstract: ITU-T Recommendation G.808.3 defines the generic aspects of a Shared Mesh Protection (SMP) mechanism, where the difference between SMP and Shared Mesh Restoration (SMR) is also identified. ITU-T Recommendation G.873.3 defines the protection switching operation and associated protocol for SMP at the Optical Data Unit (ODU) layer. RFC 7412 provides requirements for any mechanism that would be used to implement SMP in a Multi-Protocol Label Switching - Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) network. This document updates RFC 4872 and RFC 4873 to provide the extensions to the Generalized Multi-Protocol Label Switching (GMPLS) signaling to support the control of the SMP. 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(ESMTP service) with ESMTPS id 4K4g222HDcz5vNF; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:32:58 +0100 (CET) From: To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "teas@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt Thread-Index: AQIKfle9usYQ2c5Q2Nb4LpEInElQbqw+pFCAgACAljA= Content-Class: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 06:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: <15181_1645770778_6218781A_15181_259_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93303549995A@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <164574277745.13799.15682739978870449871@ietfa.amsl.com> <030501d829d0$a037af90$e0a70eb0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <030501d829d0$a037af90$e0a70eb0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Enabled=true; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SetDate=2022-02-25T06:27:48Z; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Method=Privileged; 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fixed when you have sufficient c= hanges that would justify a new version. Thanks. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Teas De la part de Adrian Farrel > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 24 f=E9vrier 2022 23:48 > =C0=A0: teas@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Teas] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas- > rfc3272bis-15.txt >=20 > And now with Med's text on transport-based TE (with some small edits). > Also fixed all the references to include URLs where available. >=20 > I have no further changes in the buffer. >=20 > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 24 February 2022 22:46 > To: Adrian Farrel > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-15.txt > has been successfully submitted by Adrian Farrel and posted to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis > Revision: 15 > Title: Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering > Document date: 2022-02-24 > Group: teas > Pages: 94 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-teas- > rfc3272bis-15.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-teas- > rfc3272bis/ > Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-teas- > rfc3272bis > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-teas- > rfc3272bis-15 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes the principles of traffic engineering (TE) in > the Internet. The document is intended to promote better > understanding of the issues surrounding traffic engineering in IP > networks and the networks that support IP networking, and to provide > a common basis for the development of traffic engineering > capabilities for the Internet. The principles, architectures, and > methodologies for performance evaluation and performance optimization > of operational networks are also discussed. >=20 > This work was first published as RFC 3272 in May 2002. 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From nobody Fri Feb 25 01:06:15 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18CB3A11C1 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 01:06:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iW2ruReVJjFy for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 01:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta7.iomartmail.com (mta7.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.157]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35BDA3A11A0 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 01:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (vs3.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.124]) by mta7.iomartmail.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 21P961Fp031460; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06:01 GMT Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAB446053; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vs3.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8304B46052; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.248]) by vs3.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([148.252.129.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 21P95xC9030570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06:00 GMT Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Cc: "'Dave Taht'" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06:00 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <036b01d82a26$e94581c0$bbd08540$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdgqJuVaVdK4ZFlfSGuwuyXR2GxL4w== Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 148.252.129.67 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.1.0.2090-8.6.0.1018-26736.007 X-TM-AS-Result: No--2.431-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--2.431-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.1.0.2090-8.6.1018-26736.007 X-TMASE-Result: 10--2.431100-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: wxLv7woOMUpzfeCSt9MtiAGev3NYR0BAaXmdXF2Ym8fURn+XOe/hRTSJ 2POnb5lehPscUcu6CfxDHcnQSP5KPvB6QzEz0aLZtPYfgFJ3kY/Id1+nCKlIfpsoi2XrUn/JyeM tMD9QOgAijR+AXJl/FSiNG0gFH6RwavP8b9lJtWr6C0ePs7A07RjOlt1Pi553ILV0kbDK1OoLnd eB1iPAHhtmhMD5VyphZoE/T/e0Z7c= X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] AQM in draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:06:11 -0000 Dave Taht (cc here) recently mentioned in a social media comment that draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis fails to mention the work of the AQM working group. I've invited him to suggest a couple of short paragraphs and also recommend where they might fit into the document. Everyone is welcome to discuss whether AQM constitutes Traffic Engineering, and (of course) suggest their own text. 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Fri, 25 Feb 2022 10:20:15 +0100 (CET) From: To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "teas@ietf.org" CC: 'Dave Taht' Thread-Topic: [Teas] AQM in draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis Thread-Index: AdgqJuVaVdK4ZFlfSGuwuyXR2GxL4wAAZzpQ Content-Class: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:20:14 +0000 Message-ID: <22916_1645780815_62189F4F_22916_402_2_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933035499B1B@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <036b01d82a26$e94581c0$bbd08540$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <036b01d82a26$e94581c0$bbd08540$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Enabled=true; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SetDate=2022-02-25T09:17:41Z; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Method=Privileged; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_Name=unrestricted_parent.2; MSIP_Label_07222825-62ea-40f3-96b5-5375c07996e2_SiteId=90c7a20a-f34b-40bf-bc48-b9253b6f5d20; 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header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WQ-1LVPMVh0n for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 04:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A11CA3A0A92 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 04:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id m3so7084225eda.10 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 04:10:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eDlo5xG4hmxj52Uwr/LOQhoGQmIpxjuxG7ao20/Lk0M=; b=J50XZQQSptbaAiMZ6XLkRuaYulErQDTrI5b9LwIAkBFNOoGd30zUlV/XSUPQlPZ153 mLSbz687CD7b7ZxwUjqfY80FYf7vhLDyh8+knqH9UoEaAyZzwxdb8Vo8NEIxzGHy5x/U 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ABdhPJx0pKB/KzbLwXdwnXMUMVVOBsfqD7mYi0dADyGQc9KxEgxwM9O69j2C/2frPbmzSw3QmOMNjmpSQgw1EwekgnM= X-Received: by 2002:a50:e08c:0:b0:407:cdc6:809e with SMTP id f12-20020a50e08c000000b00407cdc6809emr6765529edl.162.1645791020175; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 04:10:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <036b01d82a26$e94581c0$bbd08540$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <036b01d82a26$e94581c0$bbd08540$@olddog.co.uk> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 07:10:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: adrian@olddog.co.uk Cc: teas@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] AQM in draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:10:37 -0000 I certainly think that some form of aqm,fq,or fq+aqm, awareness of correct buffer sizing for certain traffic types, notably voip, are essential components of quality traffic engineering. very useful e2e techniques such as packet pacing are also now widely deploy= ed. In lieu of actually contributing text to teas at this particular moment in = time: rfc7567 is worth citing at least. this is a good read about short vs big buffered switches: https://blog.cloudflare.com/asics-at-the-edge/ Over here is some recent work with graphs (if you login) on the mikrotik deployment: https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D179307 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D181289 A fallout of those threads above for me is trying to discover the actual use and deployment of wred today, particularly with or without rfc3168 style ecn or l4s/sce style early marking. docsis 3.1 has pie: deployment report here: https://blog.apnic.net/2021/12/02/working-latency-the-next-qoe-frontier/ - cisco's AFD is useful (but not an ietf standard) fq_codel is the default in linux, ios, osx, used as a core component in "smart queue management" (https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Smart_Queue_Management/ ) in a ton of linux based routers, and in wifi. Middleboxes such as preseem, and libreqos are also essentially doing what I would consider to be TE. After dumping all that stuff at y'all, the recent bitag report might be of some interest https://www.bitag.org/documents/BITAG_latency_explained.pdf and for laughs: https://blog.apnic.net/2020/01/22/bufferbloat-may-be-solved-but-its-not-ove= r-yet/ On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 4:06 AM Adrian Farrel wrote: > > Dave Taht (cc here) recently mentioned in a social media comment that > draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis fails to mention the work of the AQM working > group. > > I've invited him to suggest a couple of short paragraphs and also recomme= nd > where they might fit into the document. > > Everyone is welcome to discuss whether AQM constitutes Traffic Engineerin= g, > and (of course) suggest their own text. > > Thanks, > Adrian > --=20 I tried to build a better future, a few times: https://wayforward.archive.org/?site=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.icei.org Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC From nobody Fri Feb 25 15:07:37 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93E53A0B67; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:07:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JYO5T63hlWj7; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B78C3A09D4; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id w7so8308364ioj.5; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:07:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=/2WOlkmCmfJZRuT3ngGbzH8h3qS/lTbskiMZxU/Ek1E=; b=HfcBMT2W7LHcbJynyd+KgFn7HnYWmFG7fGK99H6dKT+6hB8hefpd4nTRK5qraNWkWv AxJB2kOmose5stcmyQu3UzjOQ5qVwfLJqw6RAzTN5uX/WvddTnjREQmNtOGCA1PPaFmz 3S4fGbqJskpoMKvrUC878OIc8rP33egW+GncfUjB9YbJCdDiEZvZG/OPJP1W7rt93JKf HdNJ9B4ElD2n/igupyAJjQLxommH/tftQQZEhpbD/FWX4W0b7X/c58upKjx0gG3wMKFt mxge/ycjOe0iAVHuH6Esx4hpxQXJbA2iqLSJnMFhWiFhlMzUUccAiw9GsNMnqj77+Zal y6AQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/2WOlkmCmfJZRuT3ngGbzH8h3qS/lTbskiMZxU/Ek1E=; b=s/euNRA9xHZvPoKZBA/2DdX4tMGkHrI/Q/UYYGlFJVJh4siRk6kUd9uDpHt9St65/2 6u9jBSI9oqF1jXlPg+yrxVUeDoTcnin4NwAz3Er0s5DsKFHm9IdyZ/qy2iZMhKTbuFS7 VliBtoHV9bHCH0iWU3sqrh2V+pdIGIYR0/26zh+NhhoXM1Fj0dEfpbzVGJtB/Ks3Ka0z UTqKyp28Sk0VT2cJvWA2SA/1GQ63th+yYG1+F+Gs9CJYSPdCZZzrO76X2DItuGBgvtG6 Dqk9aAUGpZZQZ3klAixfZZviawwXYpJ4wFAzsJnl+lvOW+jRH3+uhhebTo6k+eRYYD1D iFBg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532f8bl54iQQd9QrNRvkYqYy16WgcHyGd1Al1iAfZA1VQxpheEr+ KJEXnxfK9RETV+aMD3XdU+dEOWdwZXON9Yp4wdEH8XY7PLg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwKHVv3vEKdONCBEp01McMJ+G2UyJteTgB5jvSBuZjbp1NRoW87dnMOcDu+GRuHnO5RMvLeU6I+5x0gOQ+myR0= X-Received: by 2002:a02:6f02:0:b0:30d:8948:eb2c with SMTP id x2-20020a026f02000000b0030d8948eb2cmr7597500jab.7.1645830424336; Fri, 25 Feb 2022 15:07:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <617dd213889d47d2b025746f0022a06e@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <617dd213889d47d2b025746f0022a06e@huawei.com> From: Vishnu Pavan Beeram Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:06:53 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Wubo (lana)" Cc: Lou Berger , TEAS WG , TEAS WG Chairs , "draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cd9e1a05d8dfc163" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 23:07:13 -0000 --000000000000cd9e1a05d8dfc163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bo, Hi! Good to see that we are down to minor editorial issues (Thanks!). Please see inline (prefixed [Beeram]) for responses.. Regards, -Pavan (as co-author) On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 4:37 AM Wubo (lana) wrote: > Hi Pavan, > > > > Thank you for clarifying my question. I still see some minor issues, and > hope the text could be clearer. Please see in line with [wubo2]. > > > > Regards, > > Bo > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gm= ail.com] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8824=E6=97= =A5 17:48 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Wubo (lana) > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Lou Berger ; TEAS WG ; TEAS WG > Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-= packet-08 > > > > Bo, > > > > Please see inline for responses (prefixed [Pavan]). > > > > Regards, > > -Pavan (as co-author) > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:02 PM Wubo (lana) wrote: > > Hi Pavan, > > > > Thanks for your reply. Please see inline for my further comments. > > > > Thanks, > > Bo > > > > *=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gm= ail.com] > *=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4:* 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8823=E6=97= =A5 22:29 > *=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:* Wubo (lana) > *=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:* Lou Berger ; TEAS WG ; TEAS WG > Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > *=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:* Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-= packet-08 > > > > Bo, > > > > Please see inline for responses (prefixed VPB).. > > > > Regards, > > -Pavan (on behalf of the authors) > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM Wubo (lana) 40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and terms. > > 1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) based > mapping solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, and SFAs to > NRP(Network Resource Partition)s. > If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization document, I > think, it should allow more options. For example, the slice services coul= d > be mapped to VPNs, and > VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in > draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang. > > > > [VPB] Please refer to section 5.3 ( > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08#sec= tion-5.3 > ). > It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic onto > paths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly allowed. W= e > can add a reference to draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in this > section and make it explicit. > > *[Bo Wu] Thanks for the clarification, but my concerns are not just about= Section 5.3. Taking Section 3.3 as an example, Slice-Flow Aggregation Map= ping, there are also multiple sections titled with SFA. I hope that the nam= e can be changed to "slice service mapping=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cslice ser= vice flow mapping" and the options described in section 5.3 can also be ref= lected in those sections. Otherwise, as Med suggested, maybe the draft name= could be changed to =E2=80=9CRealizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks = supporting SFA=E2=80=9D.* > > > > > > [Pavan] Service Mapping (mapping service traffic to the underlay path) is > an essential component in the slice service realization process that is > administered at the edge points. This is introduced in Section 3.7 in the > current version of the document and is further described in Section 5.3. = As > mentioned earlier, Section 5.3 allows for all existing service mapping > techniques (and any new ones if/when proposed) to be employed. The existi= ng > techniques allow the mapping of service traffic to underlay paths to be > done directly or with some level of indirection. > > > > [Pavan] What is discussed in Section 3.3 is the need to aggregate multipl= e > IETF network slice traffic streams for better scaling. The definition of > the SFA allows it to comprise traffic from just one IETF network slice, b= ut > the expectation (as has been stated before) is that this wouldn=E2=80=99t= be the > norm. > > *[Bo Wu 2] I agree that service mapping is essential. That is the reason = I > suggest the section title could be changed to Slice Service Mapping. * > > *Since several places in the document say VPN service mapping to SFA, > section 3.3 does not describe how to map a NS service to a VPN service, > then aggregate to SFA.* > [Beeram] We'll make the following changes to address this: - Rename Section 3.3 to "Slice-Flow Aggregation" (this section just describes the need for aggregation) - Add a sentence at the end of Section 3.7 saying: "Steering of traffic onto Slice-Flow Aggregate paths is further described in Section 5.3" - Let Section 5.3 describe how the steering of traffic onto the paths gets done. > > > *One more question on section 5.3. It seems that the name of Section 5.3 > does not look right. Section 5 is about NRP instantiation, maybe the nam= e > of section 5.3 better change to Mapping Traffic on NRP? Looking at curre= nt > text of Section 5.3, it seems not relevant with NRP, or does it mean that > NRP instantiation must be triggered by an SFA traffic mapping?* > [Beeram] We'll move this sub-section out of Section 5 (make it Section 6). > > 2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but the > following definition are not consistent: > 1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but is > seems relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Policy selection > Criteria in the model definition. > Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP Policy > selection criteria and are given the same forwarding treatment ; > > 2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, but apart > from Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. It is > recommended that the terms be consistent. > FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label. > > > > [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP policy data model draft > (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy data model dra= ft > needs to be updated to be in sync with the current terminology used in > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. This should get done in the next few days. > But please note that the NRP policy data model draft is not the one that = is > currently being polled for adoption. > > *[Bo Wu] I'm sorry my question is not clear. Let me rephrase it. As > described in the document, the SFA is maintained by the controller, which > means that the data plane within the device is not SFA aware. Then could > you explain the reason of defining FAS and FASL? And what are the > differences between them and Network Resource Partition Data Plane > Selector? * > > > > > > [Pavan] For the deployment scenarios where the device needs to provide > specific treatment for the slice flow aggregate traffic, the packets are > classified and =E2=80=9Cmarked=E2=80=9D at the edge nodes and the interio= r nodes rely on > these =E2=80=9Cmarkings=E2=80=9D to provide the necessary treatment. We a= re using the term > Flow Aggregate Selector (FAS) to denote this marking (which is independen= t > of any other traditional marking -- like TC in an MPLS packet). An > interior node that is providing the necessary treatment based on the FAS > does NOT need to know which specific IETF network slice traffic streams > have been mapped onto the aggregate. But it does need to know what specif= ic > marking to look for in the packet and what specific treatment to provide > for the SFA. This information is provided by the NRP policy (supporting t= he > SFA) available on the device. Section 5.1.1 (the title of which you are > referring to) discusses the component in the NRP policy definition which > specifies the FAS. And, Section 5.1.3 discusses the component in the NRP > policy definition which specifies the treatment. Also, please do note tha= t > the use of the FAS is not mandatory; the document also discusses deployme= nt > scenarios (Section 4.2) where the FAS is not used. > > > > *[Bo Wu 2] Thank you for clarifying, but section 5.1.1* *is about the > Network Resource Partition Data Plane Selector, right? Could you add mor= e > text of the NRP Data Plane Selector because the devices in the NRP domain > needs the NRP-ID and identify the NRP-specific network resources? It als= o > helps if some text can be added to describe when to use the NRP selector > and when to use the FAS?* > > [Beeram] I believe the following change would remove the confusion -- Rename Section 5.1.1 to "Network Resource Partition - Flow-Aggregate Selector". > > > Thanks, > Bo > > -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- > > =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] =E4=BB= =A3=E8=A1=A8 Lou Berger > > =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8818=E6=97= =A5 21:28 > > =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: TEAS WG > > =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: TEAS WG Chairs ; > > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > > =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-pack= et-08 > > > > Hello, > > > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestba= r-teas-n > > s-packet > > > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the > end of the > > day (any time zone) March 4. > > > > Thank you, > > Lou (as Co-chair) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Teas mailing list > > Teas@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > --000000000000cd9e1a05d8dfc163 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Bo, Hi!

    =C2=A0

    =
    Good to see that we are down to minor editorial issues (Thanks= !).

    =C2=A0

    Please see inline (prefixed [Bee= ram]) for responses..

    =C2=A0

    Regards,

    <= /div>

    -Pavan (as co-author)


    On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 4:37 AM = Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo@huawei.co= m> wrote:

    Hi Pavan,

    =C2=A0=

    Thank you for clarifying my= question. I still see some minor issues, and hope the text could be cleare= r. Please see in line with [wubo2].

    =C2=A0=

    Regards,

    Bo

    =C2=A0=

    =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Vishnu P= avan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.com]
    =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8824=E6=97=A5 17:48
    =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo@huawei.com>
    =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org>; draf= t-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org
    =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08=

    =C2=A0

    Bo,=C2=A0=C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    Please see inline for responses (pre= fixed [Pavan]).

    =C2=A0

    Regards,

    -Pavan (as co-author)<= /span>

    =C2=A0

    On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:02 PM= Wubo (lana) <= lana.wubo@huawei.com> wrote:

    Hi Pavan,

    =C2=A0

    Thanks for your reply. Plea= se see inline for my further comments.

    =C2=A0

    Thanks,

    Bo

    =C2=A0

    =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Vishnu Pavan Beeram [mailto:vishnupavan@gmail.= com]
    =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2022=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8823=E6=97=A5 22:29
    =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Wubo (lana) <lana.wub= o@huawei.com>
    =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81:= Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>= ;; TEAS WG <teas@ietf.org>; TEAS WG Chairs <teas-chairs@ietf.org<= /span>>; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@= ietf.org
    =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98:= Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: dr= aft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08

    =C2=A0

    Bo,=C2=A0=C2=A0=

    =C2=A0<= /u>

    Please see inline for responses (prefi= xed VPB)..

    =C2=A0<= /u>

    Regards,

    -Pavan (on behalf of the authors)

    =C2=A0

    On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:39 AM= Wubo (lana) <lana.wubo=3D40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:=

    Hi all,

    I have read the draft and have some questions with the text and terms.

    1. This document seems only define SFA (slice-flow aggregation) based mappi= ng solution, that is, slice services mapping to SFAs, and SFAs to NRP(Netwo= rk Resource Partition)s.
    If this draft is supposed to be a generic slicing realization document, I t= hink, it should allow more options. For example, the slice services could b= e mapped to VPNs, and
    VPNs mapped to underlying resources with method described in draft-ietf-tea= s-te-service-mapping-yang.

    =C2=A0

    [VPB]=C2=A0Please refe= r to section 5.3 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-= bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08#section-5.3). It does note that the usual techniques for steering service traffic onto p= aths are applicable -- the example that you cite is certainly allowed.=C2= =A0We can add a reference to draft-ietf-teas-te-service-mapping-yang in thi= s section and make it explicit.

    [Bo Wu] Thanks for the clarification, b=
    ut my concerns are not just about Section 5.3. Taking Section 3.3 as an exa=
    mple,=C2=A0 Slice-Flow Aggregation Mapping, there are also multiple section=
    s titled with SFA. I hope that the name can be changed to=C2=A0 "slice=
     service mapping=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 or =E2=80=9Cslice service flow mapping"=
    ; and the options described in section 5.3 can also be reflected in those s=
    ections. Otherwise, as Med suggested, maybe the draft name could be changed=
     to =E2=80=9CRealizing Network Slices in IP/MPLS Networks supporting SFA=E2=
    =80=9D.

    =C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    [Pavan] Service Mapping (mapping servi= ce traffic to the underlay path) is an essential component in the slice ser= vice realization process that is administered at the edge points. This=C2=A0is introduced in Section 3.7 in the current = version of the document and is further described in Section 5.3. As mention= ed earlier, Section 5.3 allows for all existing service mapping techniques = (and any new ones if/when proposed) to be employed. The existing techniques allow the mapping of service traffic = to underlay paths to be done directly or with some level of indirection.=C2= =A0

    =C2=A0

    [Pavan] What is discussed in Section 3= .3 is the need to aggregate multiple IETF network slice traffic streams for= better scaling. The definition of the SFA allows it to comprise traffic from just one IETF network slice, bu= t the expectation (as has been stated before) is that this wouldn=E2=80=99t= be the norm.=C2=A0

    [Bo Wu 2] I agree tha= t service mapping is essential. That is the reason I suggest the section ti= tle could be changed to Slice Service Mapping.

    Since =C2=A0several p= laces in the document =C2=A0say VPN service mapping to SFA, section 3.3 doe= s not describe how to map a NS service to a VPN service, then aggregate to SFA.



    [Beeram] We'= ll make the following changes to address this:=C2=A0

    - Rena= me Section 3.3 to "Slice-Flow Aggregation" (this section just des= cribes the need for aggregation)

    - Add a sentence at the en= d of Section 3.7 saying: "Steering of traffic onto Slice-Flow Aggregat= e paths is further described in Section 5.3"

    - Let S= ection 5.3=C2=A0 describe how the steering of traffic onto the paths gets d= one.
    =C2=A0=C2=A0

    =

    =C2=A0<= /span>

    One more question on = section 5.3. It seems that =C2=A0the name of Section 5.3 does not look righ= t. Section 5 is about NRP instantiation, maybe =C2=A0the name of section 5.3 better change to Mapping Traffic on NRP?=C2=A0 Looking= at current text of Section 5.3, it seems not relevant with NRP, or does it= mean that NRP instantiation must be triggered by an SFA traffic mapping?


    =

    [Beeram] We'll move=C2=A0this sub-section out= of Section 5 (make it Section 6).

    =C2=A0

    <= u>


    2. This draft refers to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but the follo= wing definition are not consistent:
    1) SFA is not defined in draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy, but is seems= relevant from the definition. And I can't find NRP Policy selection Cr= iteria in the model definition.
    Slice-Flow Aggregate: a collection of packets that match an NRP Policy sele= ction criteria and are given the same forwarding treatment ;

    2) draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy defines Slice Selector, but apart f= rom Slice Selector, this draft also defines FAS and FASL. It is recommended= that the terms be consistent.
    FAS: Flow Aggregate Selector; FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label.

    =C2=A0

    [VPB] The last two comments above are for the NRP = policy data model draft (Thanks for bringing it up!). We agree that the NRP policy data model draft needs to be updated to be in= sync with the current terminology used in draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet. Th= is should get=C2=A0done in the next few days. But please note that the NRP = policy data model draft is not the one that is currently being polled for adoption.

    [Bo Wu] I'm sorry= my question is not clear. Let me rephrase it. As described in the document, the SFA is maintained by the controller, which means that th= e data plane within the device is not SFA aware. Then could you explain the= reason of defining=C2=A0 FAS and FASL? And what are the differences betwee= n them and Network Resource Partition Data Plane Selector?

    =C2=A0

    =C2=A0

    [Pavan]=C2=A0Fo= r the deployment scenarios where the device needs to provide specific treatment for the slice flow aggregate traffic, = the packets are classified and =E2=80=9Cmarked=E2=80=9D at the edge nodes a= nd the interior nodes rely on these =E2=80=9Cmarkings=E2=80=9D to provide t= he necessary treatment. We are using the term Flow Aggregate Selector (FAS) to denote this marking (which is independent of any other traditiona= l marking -- like TC in an MPLS packet).=C2=A0 An interior node that is pro= viding the necessary treatment based on the FAS does NOT need to know which= specific IETF network slice traffic streams have been mapped onto the aggregate. But it does need to know what= specific marking to look for in the packet and what specific treatment to = provide for the SFA. This information is provided by the NRP policy (suppor= ting the SFA) available on the device. Section 5.1.1 (the title of which you are referring to) discusses the comp= onent in the NRP policy definition which specifies the FAS. And, Section 5.= 1.3 discusses the component in the NRP policy definition which specifies th= e treatment. Also, please do note that the use of the FAS is not mandatory;=C2=A0the document also discusses= deployment scenarios (Section 4.2) where the FAS is not used.

    =C2=A0

    [Bo Wu 2] Thank you f= or clarifying, but =C2=A0section 5.1.1 is about the Network Resource Partiti= on Data Plane Selector, right?=C2=A0 Could you add more text of the NRP Dat= a Plane Selector because the devices in the NRP domain needs the NRP-ID and identify the NRP-specific network resources?= =C2=A0 It also helps if some text can be added to describe when to use the = NRP selector and when to use the FAS?

    =C2=A0=
    [Beeram] I believe the following change would remove=C2= =A0the confusion -- Rename Section 5.1.1 to "Network Resource Partitio= n - Flow-Aggregate Selector".=C2=A0=C2=A0

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    =C2=A0


    Thanks,
    Bo
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Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. teas Session 1 (1:00 requested) Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Afternoon session I 1300-1400 Room Name: Park Suite 9 size: 165 --------------------------------------------- teas Session 2 (2:00 requested) Wednesday, 23 March 2022, Afternoon Session II 1430-1630 Room Name: Park Suite 9 size: 165 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/113/sessions/teas.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): Number of Attendees: 75 Conflicts to Avoid: Can't meet: Friday early afternoon, Friday late afternoon People who must be present: John Scudder Lou Berger Luis M. 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    On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 8:28 AM Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
    Hello,

    This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for:
    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft= -bestbar-teas-ns-packet/

    Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document:
    https= ://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-bestbar-t= eas-ns-packet

    Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end = of the day (any time zone) March 4.

    Thank you,
    Lou (as Co-chair)

    --000000000000177f0005d8f0403e-- From nobody Sun Feb 27 18:05:49 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: teas@ietf.org Delivered-To: teas@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7C03A0891; Sun, 27 Feb 2022 18:05:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: teas@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.46.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: teas@ietf.org Message-ID: <164601394138.8022.4370511905355609424@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 18:05:41 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Teas] I-D Action: draft-ietf-teas-sf-aware-topo-model-09.txt X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 02:05:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : SF Aware TE Topology YANG Model Authors : Igor Bryskin Xufeng Liu Young Lee Jim Guichard Luis Miguel Contreras Daniele Ceccarelli Jeff Tantsura Dmytro Shytyi Filename : draft-ietf-teas-sf-aware-topo-model-09.txt Pages : 57 Date : 2022-02-27 Abstract: This document describes a YANG data model for TE network topologies that are network service and function aware. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 04:53:38 -0000 Tarek, Inline please. On 2022-02-28 12:38, Tarek Saad wrote: > Hi Zhibo, > > See inline. > > *From: *Teas on behalf of Huzhibo > > *Date: *Friday, February 25, 2022 at 8:03 PM > *To: *Vishnu Pavan Beeram , Ogaki, Kenichi > > *Cc: *Lou Berger , TEAS WG Chairs > , draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > , TEAS WG > *Subject: *Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Hi: > > I would appreciate it if the authors can clarify the following questions: > > 1.   Essentially the identifier in data packet is used to identify the > NRP which the packet is mapped to, and the set of resource for > processing and forwarding the packet. Calling it a flow aggregate > selector would confuse the boundary between service flows and the > underlay network construct (which is called NRP). In my understanding, > the network devices only maintain the NRP specific resource states, they > (except the ingress nodes) do not need to know whether and how service > flows are mapped to the NRP. > > [TS]: service flows (from IETF network slices) are aggregated into Slice > Flow-Aggregate (SFA) so they are given similar treatment in the network. > The flow aggregate traffic carries a Flow-Aggregate Selector (FAS) to > allow nodes to distinguish packets belonging to the SFA. The SFA traffic > is placed on paths established over the network resources defined by the > NRP. Are you saying that SFA's have the same FEC? If so are we inventing the wheel again? /Loa > > 2.   I’m a little confused about the case which multiple VPN labels are > used to identify a Slice Flow Aggregate. The VPN service label are > usually called service label, it is not clear how a service label can be > used to identify a flow aggregate. And since this data plane ID need to > be processed by intermediate nodes, can the VPN labels be parsed and > processed by the intermediate nodes? BTW, the text in section 5.1.1 > describes several options of encapsulating the identifier in MPLS packet > header, which does not belong to a TEAS document, better to move them to > an MPLS draft. > > [TS]: the document describes that a FAS can take several forms and > depending on the specifc dataplane (e.g., MPLS, IPv6, etc.). The use of > the service labels was an example for illustration only. The document > already references MPLS documents (e.g., I-D.kompella-mpls-mspl4fa and > I-D.decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id) where proposals allow > carrying the FAS in the MPLS label stack. > > Regards, > > Tarek (for co-authors) > > Thanks > > Zhibo > > *From:*Teas [mailto:teas-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Vishnu Pavan > Beeram > *Sent:* Thursday, February 24, 2022 11:04 PM > *To:* Ogaki, Kenichi > *Cc:* Lou Berger ; TEAS WG Chairs > ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org; TEAS WG > > *Subject:* Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Kenichi, Hi! > > Thanks for the review! This draft discusses the use of Network Resource > Partition (NRP) to support a Slice-Flow Aggregate. The NRP identifier is > unique within an NRP domain and is meant for use in the > control/management plane to identify the resources associated with the > NRP (this should be the identifier used in any relevant control-plane > protocol extensions). > > The NRP-ID is not the same as Flow-Aggregate Selector (FAS). The FAS is > quite simply the marking in the data plane packet that identifies a > Slice-Flow Aggregate. The same Slice-Flow Aggregate may be identified by > multiple Flow-Aggregate Selectors (see the example in Section 5.1.1 > where a range of VPN service labels – each acting as a FAS – select the > same Slice-Flow Aggregate). The solution architecture leaves room for an > implementation to overload the NRP-ID and use it as a FAS – but that is > strictly an implementation choice. > > And yes, we do expect all other related work to eventually align and > adhere to what is specified in this document. > > Regards, > > -Pavan (as co-author) > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 3:14 AM Ogaki, Kenichi > wrote: > > Hi Authors, > > I'd just like to clarify. > Comparing Fig. 5 in draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices-05 with Fig. > 1 in this draft, I understand that this draft also describes one of > solutions realizing Network Resource Partition(NRP). > If my understanding is correct, NRP-ID is essentially same as FASL > and "Slice Aggregate ID" described at Fig.5 in > draft-bestbar-lsr-slice-aware-te-00. > >From an operational perspective, it's burden to manage many slice related components and the mappings of these components, e.g. connectivity matrix <-> IETF network slice <-> Slice-flow Aggregate <-> FAS <-> NRP. > Do authors have any thought to at least unify these identifiers in a > series of bestbar drafts. Or, is there any reason not able to unify > these? > > Thanks, > Kenichi > -----Original Message----- > From: Teas > On > Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 10:28 PM > To: TEAS WG > > Cc: TEAS WG Chairs >; > draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org > > Subject: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 > > Hello, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ > > > Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet > > > Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by > the end of the day (any time zone) March 4. > > Thank you, > Lou (as Co-chair) > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/teas > > _______________________________________________ > Teas mailing list > Teas@ietf.org > 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X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 X-BeenThere: teas@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 13:11:39 -0000 Hi Lou, all, I agree that the working group should have a document on this topic. While I see very many confusions, errors, and open questions, I believe that the authors could be persuaded to work on and fix these problems after adoption. However, given how much work is needed and how much the document will change, it may be pragmatic to produce a new version first and then see whether that has stabilised. There is one thing I think must be fixed as part of adoption: the references to draft-bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy and draft-kompella- mpls-mspl4fa. These are presented as normative references and there is an implication that adopting this document would somehow give credence to those two documents. Fortunately, the references to draft-bestbar- teas-yang-slice-policy are clearly not normative, and are also not particularly relevant so they could be removed completely. Further, since the document purports to be technology-agnostic it would make sense not to make reference to the still-contentious draft-kompella- mpls-mspl4fa: if the authors want to, they could write a separate document called "Applicability of MSPL4FA for carrying the GIS". [See later note for why it is called the GIS.] The comments below are a mixture of concerns and editorial. They give a flavour of what is wrong with the draft. They do not comprise a full and detailed review. One other top level point: what a lot of IPR. Thanks to everyone for ensuring a timely disclosure, but ouch! With so much IPR, it makes me wonder whether the WG should look for a different approach that is not encumbered. Best, Adrian === It is quite worrying that this document attempts by design or accident to modify the architecture described in draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network- slices. In particular, compare draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices figure 5 with figure 1 in this document. But there are plenty of other examples. --- I am puzzled that this document makes no reference to draft-ietf-teas- enhanced-vpn. That, too, is work that explains how to deliver a network slice over an IP/MPLS network. And since it is already a working group draft, one might expect this document to show how it fits in alongside VPN+. (I fully accept that there may be space for both approaches, but it is peculiar to make no attempt, and I expect the newcomer - this document - to be the one that shows the coexistence.) --- Please throw out the Abstract and replace it with something coherent. I have read and re-read the current text and can find nothing else useful to say about it! --- The document appears confused about the difference between a network slice service and a logical network. This is important. What is offered to the customer is a service and not a network or logical network. The service is a connectivity matrix with a set of commitments. The logical network is how the service provider may decide to organise their resources to deliver the service: that is, the logical network is part of the solution model and not something that "network slicing provides." --- The Introduction says that the document provides a path control technology agnostic solution. Why then do we find Section 6 describing the different path control technologies and how they can be used? --- The definition of the Slice-Flow Aggregate is very lacking in clarity. It takes several readings of the document to discover that the only purpose of this construct is to allow path provisioning aggregation within the NRP. This might be a useful scaling aspect depending on the number of slices that it is expected that a network will need to support between any two edge nodes. That means that it could be a good idea. Or it could be a waste of time. It's hard to know from this document. In particular, a modest number of slices and a careful number of NRPs is likely to give rise to no need for the aggregate. Otherwise, you are just introducing an intermediary step such that: - slices can be grouped into slice aggregates - groups of slice aggregates can be grouped/mapped onto NRPs? I feel there is also something missing in defining which slices can be grouped into aggregates. --- The Introduction concludes by saying... This document covers different modes of NRPs and discusses how each mode can ensure proper placement of Slice-Flow Aggregate paths and respective treatment of Slice-Flow Aggregate traffic. ...What is an NRP mode? What is a Slice-Flow Aggregate path? (Yes, I can look ahead into the document to find out, but then what is the point of an Introduction?) --- Why does this document feel the need to redefine the Network Resource Partition? --- While it is fine to observe that DiffServ can be used alongside slice (flow aggregate) identification, there are a couple of chunks of text that describe how DiffServ works and that, while they are very informative, are entirely irrelevant to the document and somewhat confusing for the reader. --- a Slice-Flow Aggregate comprises of one or more IETF network slice traffic streams This is ambiguous as a network slice may comprise multiple traffic streams, and we are talking about multiple slices. --- What are "NRP Policy selection criteria"? --- What's an "NRP domain"? --- 1.2 FASL: Flow Aggregate Selector Label as described in Section 5.1.1 I don't find any mention of the FASL until 5.2.3 -- Is NRP a Network Resource Partition, or a Network Resource Partition Policy? Section 1.1 seems unsure. --- It is no surprise to me that Figure 1 (which, incidentally, I drew for the authors as part of converging on figure 5 of draft-ietf-teas-ietf- network-slices) doesn't include the NRP. Perhaps a document that is claiming to be aligned with draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices should make some attempt? Further, 3.4 is titled "Path Placement over NRP Topology" but doesn't actually mention the NRP topology preferring to talk about placement of paths over the Policy Filtered Topology (that draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices calls the Filter Topology). --- 3.1 In what way do "resources ... meet specific SLOs"? Perhaps "can be used such that specific SLOs have a good chance of being met?" --- 3.2 The customer requests an IETF Network Slice Service specifying the CE-AC-PE points of attachment, the connectivity matrix, and the SLOs/ SLEs as described in [I-D.ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices]. These capabilities are always provided based on a Service Level Agreement (SLA) between the network slice costumer and the provider. These are not "capabilities". The SLOs/SLEs *are* the SLA. --- Why is 3.5 supposedly about NRP Policies when the text describes policies for handling slice aggregates? Is it because there is no difference between a slice aggregate and an NRP? --- Reading 3.7, and to be clear, you don't intend your mechanism to be available for CE-terminated slice services? --- The use of "MAY" in 3.7 implies that you don't expect it to be normal that the node at the edge of the slice (in your case, the PE) will mark traffic to allow the network to determine to which slice, aggregate, or NRP the packet belongs. That seems to be in contradiction with most of the rest of the document. --- 3.8 seems to have forgotten about the NRP. --- 4.1 has another paragraph describing DiffServ. Very interesting, but not relevant to this document. --- 4.1 has In this case, a Flow Aggregate Selector (FAS) MUST be carried in each packet to identify the Slice- Flow Aggregate that it belongs to. The ingress node of an NRP domain MAY also add an FAS to each Slice- Flow Aggregate packet. If the ingress node of the (undefined) NRP domain does not add the FAS, how does it get into the packet? Presumably the nodes outside the domain have no idea what an FAS is (by definition of the NRP domain). So I think you'll find that the ingress to the domain must add the FAS. In any case, why "also"? What else are they adding? --- 4.1 The transit nodes within an NRP domain MAY use the FAS to associate packets with a Slice-Flow Aggregate and to determine the Network Resource Partition Per Hop Behavior (NRP-PHB) that is applied to the packet (refer to Section 5.1.3 for further details). So you're saying that normally the transit nodes will not use the FAS for this purpose or at all? --- 4.1 The CS MAY be used to apply a Diffserv PHB on to the packet to allow differentiation of traffic treatment within the same Slice-Flow Aggregate. I think you're saying "DiffServ may be used to further qualify the PHB within the traffic flows belonging to a slice flow aggregate." --- 4.1 When data plane only NRP mode is used, routers may rely on a network state independent view of the topology to determine the best paths. You have switched to lower case "may". In either case, what would the router do in other cases? --- 4.1 The FAS field carried in each packet determines the specific NRP-PHB treatment along the selected path. You have already said this. --- 4.1 For example, the Segment-Routing Flexible Algorithm [I-D.ietf-lsr-flex-algo] may be deployed in a network to steer packets on the IGP computed lowest cumulative delay path. An NRP Policy may be used to allow links along the least latency path to share its data plane resources amongst multiple Slice-Flow Aggregates. In this case, the packets that are steered on a specific NRP carry the FAS that enables routers (along with the Diffserv CS) to determine the NRP-PHB to enforce on the Slice-Flow Aggregate traffic streams. 1. "This document provides a path control technology agnostic solution" So why the need to reference draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo? 2. I feel fairly sure that this paragraph is intended to carry some useful meaning, but it eludes me. --- 4.2 To perform NRP state aware Traffic Engineering (NRP-TE), the resource reservation on each link needs to be NRP aware. Do you mean "on" or "for"? There's a substantial difference in how that is implemented. --- 4.2 The same physical link may be member of multiple slice policies that instantiate different NRPs. What is a slice policy? --- 4.3 So you believe that, in the case of oversubscription, you are actually achieving isolation? Or is it possible that there will be an out-queue of oversubscription traffic that will impede the flow of traffic from another slice? --- 5. The word "intent" is very cool, but it is wrong in this context. The slice customer does not express an intent, but a set of requirements. --- 5.1.1 Why "Global Identifier FAS (GIS)"? --- 5.1.1 A router MUST be able to identify a packet belonging to a Slice-Flow Aggregate before it can apply the associated dataplane forwarding treatment or NRP-PHB. One or more fields within the packet MAY be used as an FAS to do this. So you are saying that the FAS provides the NRP-ID? Or that the NRP policy includes a list of applicable FAS values? --- The text on the Global Identified Based Selector in 5.1.1 crosses the line between general explanatory text and a detailed solution. Careful that you technology agnostic document doesn't end up trying to persuade us all to adopt one specific solution. In particular, the reference to draft-kompella-mpls-mspl4fa is highly premature --- 5.1.1 A detailed review of NRP scale considerations is presented in [I-D.dong-teas-nrp-scalability]. What you say is true. However, I am far from convinced that that document means the same thing as you do when it says "NRP". That document does not talk about "slice aggregates". I think you are still lacking a lot of clarity about the difference between a slice aggregate and an NRP. --- 5.1.2 Here (and in the other places where you have similar text about resource sharing) you only talk about sharing resources between NRPs (or slice aggregates, as it may be). You don't talk about sharing those resources with non-slice traffic, but presumably you can. In fact, this section highlights the confusion between slice aggregate and NRP. You essentially have a set of slice aggregates within an NRP that share the resources of the NRP allowing for oversubscription etc. And you also have NRPs sharing resources or the network. It's all perfectly functional, but seems to have one too many layers of abstraction. --- I think 5.1.2 is predicated on resource reservation on the nodes. That is, oversubscription under the control of central accounting management (such as might be performed for SR-TE) cannot be achieved without risking the SLOs. Thus, you are advocating for putting the state in the network (which is fine by me), and this appears to be per slice aggregate flow state. --- 5.1.3 is off into DiffServ description again. You can probably cut this section down to two paragraphs (2 and 3) and one line saying "you can also use DiffServ as a subcategory of the NRP-PHB. --- 5.1.3 has The Slice-Flow Aggregate traffic may be identified at NRP ingress boundary nodes by carrying a FAS to allow routers to apply a specific forwarding treatment that guarantee the SLA(s). There is some passive voice here that makes it unclear whether you expect the packets to already include the FAS when they arrive at the domain. Additionally, the use of "may" is vague. --- 5.1.4 reads like the NRP Topology is the same as the Policy Filter Topology (or Filter Topology as it is called in draft-ietf-teas-ietf- network-slices. -- 5.2 A network slice originates at the edge nodes of a network slice provider. It is not helpful to contradict draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices. --- 5.2 The network provider is responsible for ensuring that adequate network resources are provisioned and/or reserved to support the SLAs offered by the network end-to-end. "end-to-end" is a big ask especially given that the previous text is clear that the slice is edge-to-edge. --- 5.2.1 is either contradicting draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices or specifically limiting the whole document to a subset of the possible deployment models. It's OK for the document to constrain itself to a subset (although I recall it was the network operators who were keen to extend slices to include the ACs), but it needs to make this very clear in the Abstract, Introduction, and probably title. --- 5.2.2 and MAY be able to That's a lower case "may" --- 5.2.2 be able to identify the packets belonging to a specific Slice-Flow Aggregate by inspecting the FAS field carried inside each packet, or by inspecting other fields within the packet that may identify the traffic streams that belong to a specific Slice-Flow Aggregate. For example, when data plane NRP mode is applied, interior nodes can use the FAS carried within the packet to apply the corresponding NRP-PHB forwarding behavior. I expected the example to be an example of using other fields to identify the traffic streams (because, obviously, the FAS is an example of using the FAS). What other fields have you in mind that can identify the slice flow aggregate (and how does that work if the traffic is encrypted)? --- 5.2.3 has a lot of words to say "Tunnel across areas of the network that are not NRP capable." On the other hand, nothing is said about how an NRP-capable node knows that its neighbour is not NRP capable, and where the next on-path NRP- capable node is. --- 6.1 The path selection in the network can be network state dependent, or network state independent as described in Section 5.1 of [I-D.ietf-teas-rfc3272bis]. You probably mean section 4.1, but you have possibly misunderstood that section which is describing how TE can adapt according to network state. You appear to be mixing TE with non-TE in your text and it is, perhaps, surprising that you think that "normal" SPF routing is not state dependent. I think you are actually describing the difference between TE and non-TE. --- 6.1 To enable TE path placement, the link state is advertised with current reservations Really? Like a list of which reservations have been made on each link? --- 6.1 When the network resource reservations are maintained for NRPs, the link state can carry per NRP state (e.g., reservable bandwidth). This allows path computation to take into account the specific network resources available for an NRP. In this case, we refer to the process of path placement and path provisioning as NRP aware TE (NRP-TE). I think you are proposing that the IGP distributes information of per-NRP resource reservation and availability per link. Do you think this scales? --- 6.2.2 is missing a statement about how resource reservation works in this type of network. --- 7. Routing protocols may need to be extended to carry additional per NRP link state. Well, do they or don't they? Per my comment on 6.1, it looks like you are saying that this extension is needed. --- 7. Need a reference for gRPC. --- 7. The NRP Policy YANG data model is outside the scope of this document, and is defined in [I-D.bestbar-teas-yang-slice-policy]. :-) It's out of scope, but let's talk about it anyway. --- Section 9 is a long way short of covering all of the bases. Three immediate things jump out: - Security is an SLE. A Filter Topology may be constructed using only secure links (e.g., links that use MACsec) resulting in the ability to provide a secure slice. - An attacker that modifies the FAS may be able to achieve far more subtle attacks than one that modifies the forwarding label or destination address. How is this protected against? - The visibility of the FAS within the network is an identifier of the traffic, and to some extent the customer. This allows someone doing surveillance to learn about customer traffic use (privacy) and to attack specific customer traffic (security). What are the mitigations? --- 10. Interesting that you thank one of the authors for reviewing the document :-) --- 10. Thanks to the authors for acknowledging me for the "detailed discussions that led to Section 3" of this document. On the other hand, no thanks for failing to acknowledge the material I wrote and that has been included in this document. This is poor behaviour that should be an embarrassment to all with their names on the front page. It really makes one think about who to have conversations with and who to try to help. --- On the subject of the front page: why is a document being put forward for adoption with 12 names on the front page? --- Is draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices really not a normative reference? -----Original Message----- From: Teas On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: 18 February 2022 13:28 To: TEAS WG Cc: TEAS WG Chairs ; draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet@ietf.org Subject: [Teas] WG adoption poll: draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-08 Hello, This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet/ Please note that IPR has been disclosed on this document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-bestbar-teas- ns-packet Please voice your support or objections to adoption on the list by the end of the day (any time zone) March 4. 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