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Today's Topics:

=C2=A0 =C2=A01. Community Neworks: any idea about them? (Jose Saldana)
=C2=A0 =C2=A02. Re: Community Neworks: any idea about them? (Guangqing Deng= )
=C2=A0 =C2=A03. Re: Community Neworks: any idea about them? (Arjuna Sathias= eelan)
=C2=A0 =C2=A04. Re: Community Neworks: any idea about them? (Arjuna Sathias= eelan)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0"Jose Sa= ldana" <jsaldana@unizar.es>
To:=C2=A0<tsv-area@ietf.or= g>
Cc:=C2=A0tcmtf@ietf.org
Date:=C2= =A0Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:24:33 +0200
Subject:=C2=A0[tcmtf] Community Nework= s: any idea about them?
=
Hi all.
=C2=A0
I have recently =E2=80=9Cdiscovered=E2=80=9D the conc= ept of Community Networks. They are =E2=80=9Clarge scale, self-organized an= d decentralized networks, built and operated by citizens for citizens.=E2= =80=9D They are =E2=80=9Calso self-owned and self-managed by community memb= ers, self-growing in links, capacity and services provided.=E2=80=9D=

=C2=A0
=
A paper explaining them can be = found here: http://www.sigcomm.o= rg/ccr/papers/2013/July/2500098.2500108<= /u>

=C2=A0
=
Some examples:
http://funkfeuer.at/

h= ttps://wlan-si.net/
http://www.bogota-mesh.org= /en

=C2=A0
I would like to know your opinion about this:=
=C2=A0=
do you think this is a good idea?=
=C2=A0=
Can they be a good place fo= r developing experiments?

=C2=A0
=
I think this can be a good solu= tion for developing countries.
=C2=A0

In addition, regarding TCM-TF, = can they be a new scenario where traffic optimization could be interesting?= I mean, they do not have too much bandwidth, and they connect to the Inter= net through a single link in many cases (a bottleneck). One of the services= considered is VoIP.

=C2=A0
=
Thanks a lot!
=C2=A0
Jose
=C2=A0

-----= ----- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0"Guangqing Deng"= <dengguangqing@cnnic.cn&g= t;
To:=C2=A0jsaldana <jsaldana@unizar= .es>, "tsv-area@ietf.org" <tsv-area@ietf.org>=
Cc:=C2=A0tcmtf <tcmtf@ietf.org= >
Date:=C2=A0Tue, 8 Oct 2013 18:20:22 +0800
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [tcmtf] Comm= unity Neworks: any idea about them?

Sounds novel and interesting. And so called community network is simil= ar to=20 peer-to-peer network to a certain extent;

while the coverage of the former network (which is limited in a local= =20 community) may be less than the latter one.

=C2=A0

Guangq= ing=20 Deng

CNNIC= =C2=A0

=C2=A0

> From:=C2=A0Jose=20 Saldana

> Date:=C2=A02013-10-08=C2=A017:24

> To:=C2=A0tsv-area@ietf.org

> CC:=C2=A0tcmtf

> Subject:=C2=A0[tcmtf] Community Neworks: any idea about=20 them?

> Hi all.

=C2=A0

> I have recently =E2=80=9Cd= iscovered=E2=80=9D the=20 concept of Community Networks. They are =E2=80=9Clarge scale, self-organize= d and=20 decentralized networks, built and operated by citizens for citizens.=E2=80= =9D They are=20 =E2=80=9Calso self-owned and self-> > > managed by community membe= rs,=20 self-growing in links, capacity and services provided.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

> A paper explaining them ca= n be found=20 here: http://www.sigcomm.org/ccr= /papers/2013/July/2500098.2500108=

=C2=A0

> Some examples: <= /u>

> http://funkfeuer.at/

> https://wlan-si.net/

> http://www.bogota-mesh.org/en

=C2=A0

> I=20 would like to know your opinion about this:

=C2=A0

> do you=20 think this is a good idea?

=C2=A0

> Can=20 they be a good place for developing experiments?

=C2=A0

> I=20 think this can be a good solution for developing=20 countries.

=C2=A0

> In=20 addition, regarding TCM-TF, can they be a new scenario where traffic=20 optimization could be interesting? I mean, they do not have too much bandwi= dth,=20 and they connect to the Internet through a single link in > > > ma= ny=20 cases (a bottleneck). One of the services considered is=20 VoIP.

=C2=A0

> Thanks=20 a lot!

=C2=A0

>=20 Jose

=C2=A0
=

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Arjuna Sathia= seelan <arjuna@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
To:=C2=A0 jsaldana@unizar.es=
Cc:=C2=A0tcmtf@ietf.org, tsv-area@ietf.org
Date:=C2=A0Tue, 8 Oct 2013 10:42:05 +0100
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [tcmtf] Comm= unity Neworks: any idea about them?
Dear Jose,
=C2=A0 I would like to take this opportunity to present some of the work we=
are doing here at Cambridge -

We are trying to solve the universal service problem in urban areas
(where people cannot afford to access the Internet) using existing
home broadband networks - home owners who have Internet connections
share their Internet connection for free with those who dont have.

We are currently doing deployments in a deprived area in Nottingham (
see www.publi= caccesswifi.org )

More on the LCDNet initiative is here:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/lcd/index.html

There are interesting possibilities to do multi-path TCP between
aggregating multiple access points and we are exploring that option
too.

The TIER group in berkeley have done quite a lot of nice work with
wireless for developing countries:
tier.cs.berkeley= .edu/

Happy to discuss more :)

Regards
Arjuna

On 8 October 2013 10:24, Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
>
>
> I have recently =E2=80=9Cdiscovered=E2=80=9D the concept of Community = Networks. They are
> =E2=80=9Clarge scale, self-organized and decentralized networks, built= and operated
> by citizens for citizens.=E2=80=9D They are =E2=80=9Calso self-owned a= nd self-managed by
> community members, self-growing in links, capacity and services provid= ed.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> A paper explaining them can be found here:
> http://www.sigcomm.org/ccr/papers/2013/July/2500098.250= 0108
>
>
>
> Some examples:
>
> http://funkfeuer.at= /
>
> https://wlan-si.net= /
>
> http://www= .bogota-mesh.org/en
>
>
>
> I would like to know your opinion about this:
>
>
>
> do you think this is a good idea?
>
>
>
> Can they be a good place for developing experiments?
>
>
>
> I think this can be a good solution for developing countries.
>
>
>
> In addition, regarding TCM-TF, can they be a new scenario where traffi= c
> optimization could be interesting? I mean, they do not have too much > bandwidth, and they connect to the Internet through a single link in m= any
> cases (a bottleneck). One of the services considered is VoIP.
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
>
> Jose
>
>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Arjuna Sathia= seelan <arjuna.sathiase= elan@gmail.com>
To:=C2=A0js= aldana@unizar.es
Cc:=C2=A0tcmtf@ietf.org, tsv-area@ietf.org
Date:=C2=A0Tue, 8 Oct 201= 3 10:44:07 +0100
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [tcmtf] Community Neworks: any idea a= bout them?
Dear Jose,
=C2=A0 I would like to take this opportunity to present some of the work we=
are doing here at Cambridge -

We are trying to solve the universal service problem in urban areas
(where people cannot afford to access the Internet) using existing
home broadband networks - home owners who have Internet connections
share their Internet connection for free with those who dont have.

We are currently doing deployments in a deprived area in Nottingham (
see www.publi= caccesswifi.org )

More on the LCDNet initiative is here:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/lcd/index.html

There are interesting possibilities to do multi-path TCP between
aggregating multiple access points and we are exploring that option
too.

The TIER group in berkeley have done quite a lot of nice work with
wireless for developing countries:
tier.cs.berkeley= .edu/

Happy to discuss more :)

Regards

On 8 October 2013 10:24, Jose Saldana <jsaldana@unizar.es> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
>
>
> I have recently =E2=80=9Cdiscovered=E2=80=9D the concept of Community = Networks. They are
> =E2=80=9Clarge scale, self-organized and decentralized networks, built= and operated
> by citizens for citizens.=E2=80=9D They are =E2=80=9Calso self-owned a= nd self-managed by
> community members, self-growing in links, capacity and services provid= ed.=E2=80=9D
>
>
>
> A paper explaining them can be found here:
> http://www.sigcomm.org/ccr/papers/2013/July/2500098.250= 0108
>
>
>
> Some examples:
>
> http://funkfeuer.at= /
>
> https://wlan-si.net= /
>
> http://www= .bogota-mesh.org/en
>
>
>
> I would like to know your opinion about this:
>
>
>
> do you think this is a good idea?
>
>
>
> Can they be a good place for developing experiments?
>
>
>
> I think this can be a good solution for developing countries.
>
>
>
> In addition, regarding TCM-TF, can they be a new scenario where traffi= c
> optimization could be interesting? I mean, they do not have too much > bandwidth, and they connect to the Internet through a single link in m= any
> cases (a bottleneck). One of the services considered is VoIP.
>
>
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
>
> Jose
>
>

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