From nobody Fri Jan 29 02:31:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stackevo@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stackevo@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8741B2BA9 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:31:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pmSnvW3aBY3X for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from trammell.ch (trammell.ch [5.148.172.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8DD1B2BA8 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nb-10604.ethz.ch (nb-10604.ethz.ch [82.130.102.91]) by trammell.ch (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 822EC1A0C19 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:30:54 +0100 (CET) From: Brian Trammell X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FEC55AC4-2F46-4A4F-8321-1811ADEC74F0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:30:54 +0100 References: To: Stackevo Message-Id: <85EACD0A-B3C3-4F2C-A7E4-FF8BBA5B2D4E@trammell.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [Stackevo] Fwd: [IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP" X-BeenThere: stackevo@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Stack Evolution Program Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:31:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FEC55AC4-2F46-4A4F-8321-1811ADEC74F0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_141DD51F-3967-46A2-A751-E6B343E7A25F" --Apple-Mail=_141DD51F-3967-46A2-A751-E6B343E7A25F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all, Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member organization) = following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be nice to make = them aware of some of the work in the space already ongoing, and to = figure out what their actual intended scope is. Thanks, cheers, Brian > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: Ted Hardie > Subject: [IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP" > Date: 28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET > To: Internet Architecture Board >=20 > = http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under-developm= ent-414239 = >=20 > The ETSI ISG announcement is here: = http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-etsi-creates-new-st= andardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-protocols = >=20 > Ted --Apple-Mail=_141DD51F-3967-46A2-A751-E6B343E7A25F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Greetings, all,

Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member = organization) following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be = nice to make them aware of some of the work in the space already = ongoing, and to figure out what their actual intended scope = is.

Thanks, = cheers,

Brian

Begin forwarded message:

From: = Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
Subject: = [IAB] ETSI group = getting press as "replacing TCP/IP"
Date: = 28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET
To: = Internet Architecture Board = <iab@iab.org>

http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-und= er-development-414239

The ETSI ISG = announcement is here: http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-etsi-cre= ates-new-standardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-protoco= ls

Ted

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<85EACD0A-B3C3-4F2C-A7E4-FF8BBA5B2D4E@trammell.ch> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HLgr00hEPADP7g7oUmsQFekXl5qASoeeG" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Stackevo] Fwd: [IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP" X-BeenThere: stackevo@iab.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IP Stack Evolution Program Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:34:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --HLgr00hEPADP7g7oUmsQFekXl5qASoeeG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080706030005030906010309" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080706030005030906010309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not closely but we've been around this block before. My suggestion: wish them well and off they go, as long as they don't reuse our ethertype= =2E Eliot On 1/29/16 11:30 AM, Brian Trammell wrote: > Greetings, all, > > Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member organization) > following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be nice to > make them aware of some of the work in the space already ongoing, and > to figure out what their actual intended scope is. > > Thanks, cheers, > > Brian > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *Ted Hardie > >> *Subject: **[IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP"* >> *Date: *28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET >> *To: *Internet Architecture Board > >> >> http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under-deve= lopment-414239 >> >> The ETSI ISG announcement is here: >> http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-etsi-creates-ne= w-standardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-protocols >> >> Ted > > > > _______________________________________________ > Stackevo mailing list > Stackevo@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/stackevo --------------080706030005030906010309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not closely but we've been around this block before.=C2=A0 My suggest= ion: wish them well and off they go, as long as they don't reuse our ethertype.

Eliot

On 1/29/16 11:30 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:

Greetings, all,

Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member organization) following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be nice to make them aware of some of the work in the space already ongoing, and to figure out what their actual intended scope is.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian

Begin forwarded message:

From: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gm= ail.com>

Subject: [IAB] ET= SI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP"

Date: 28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET

To: Internet Architecture Board <iab@iab.org&= gt;

http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol= -under-development-414239

Th= e ETSI ISG announcement is here: http= ://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-etsi-creates-new-stand= ardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-protocols

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On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > Not closely but we've been around this block before. My suggestion: wish > them well and off they go, as long as they don't reuse our ethertype. > We can't emphasize this enough. We struggled with ITU-T for decades about T-MPLS because they were reusing our ethertype for a different protocol. I wasn't involved during most of the interactions, but was certainly at a peace treaty negotiation with ITU-T, along with almost of all of the other IAB members and IESG members in Geneva, after the Maastricht IETF to convince them to change ethertypes, and even that was painful. People can invent protocols all day long. They just can't break our protocols when they invent protocols. Spencer > Eliot > > > > On 1/29/16 11:30 AM, Brian Trammell wrote: > > Greetings, all, > > Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member organization) > following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be nice to make > them aware of some of the work in the space already ongoing, and to figure > out what their actual intended scope is. > > Thanks, cheers, > > Brian > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Ted Hardie < ted.ietf@gmail.com> > *Subject: **[IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP"* > *Date: *28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET > *To: *Internet Architecture Board > > > > http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under-development-414239 > > The ETSI ISG announcement is here: > > http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-etsi-creates-new-standardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-protocols > > Ted > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Stackevo mailing listStackevo@iab.orghttps://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/stackevo > > > > _______________________________________________ > Stackevo mailing list > Stackevo@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/stackevo > > --001a114d6c8e4c2344052a79644b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Most of the StackEvo types likely know this, but maybe not= everyone ...

On F= ri, Jan 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:=

=20 =20 =20
Not closely but we've been around this block before.=C2=A0 My sugge= stion: wish them well and off they go, as long as they don't reuse our ethertype.

We can't emphasize= this enough.=C2=A0

We struggled with ITU-T for de= cades about T-MPLS because they were reusing our ethertype for a different = protocol. I wasn't involved during most of the interactions, but was ce= rtainly at a peace treaty negotiation with ITU-T, along with almost of all = of the other IAB members and IESG members in Geneva, after the Maastricht I= ETF to convince them to change ethertypes, and even that was painful.

People can invent protocols all day long. They just can= 't break our protocols when they invent protocols.

Spencer

=C2=A0

Eliot

On 1/29/16 11:30 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:
=20 Greetings, all,

Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member organization) following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be nice to make them aware of some of the work in the space already ongoing, and to figure out what their actual intended scope is.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian

Begin forwarded message:

From: Ted Hardie <<= /a>ted.ietf@gmail.c= om>

Subject: [IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP"

Date: 28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET

To: Internet Architecture Board <= iab@iab.org>

<= a href=3D"http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under= -development-414239" target=3D"_blank">http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under-d= evelopment-414239

T= he ETSI ISG announcement is here: http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-et= si-creates-new-standardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-pr= otocols

T= ed

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Not sure exactly how one can engage in here. On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF < spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > Most of the StackEvo types likely know this, but maybe not everyone ... > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > >> Not closely but we've been around this block before. My suggestion: wis= h >> them well and off they go, as long as they don't reuse our ethertype. >> > > We can't emphasize this enough. > > We struggled with ITU-T for decades about T-MPLS because they were reusin= g > our ethertype for a different protocol. I wasn't involved during most of > the interactions, but was certainly at a peace treaty negotiation with > ITU-T, along with almost of all of the other IAB members and IESG members > in Geneva, after the Maastricht IETF to convince them to change ethertype= s, > and even that was painful. > > People can invent protocols all day long. They just can't break our > protocols when they invent protocols. > > Spencer > > > >> Eliot >> >> >> >> On 1/29/16 11:30 AM, Brian Trammell wrote: >> >> Greetings, all, >> >> Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member organization) >> following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be nice to make >> them aware of some of the work in the space already ongoing, and to figu= re >> out what their actual intended scope is. >> >> Thanks, cheers, >> >> Brian >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *Ted Hardie < ted.ietf@gmail.com> >> *Subject: **[IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP"* >> *Date: *28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET >> *To: *Internet Architecture Board >> >> >> >> http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under-develo= pment-414239 >> >> The ETSI ISG announcement is here: >> >> http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-etsi-creates-new-= standardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-protocols >> >> Ted >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stackevo mailing listStackevo@iab.orghttps://www.iab.org/mailman/listinf= o/stackevo >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Stackevo mailing list >> Stackevo@iab.org >> https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/stackevo >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Stackevo mailing list > Stackevo@iab.org > https://www.iab.org/mailman/listinfo/stackevo > > --001a113d3070506408052a7d895b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Their actual intended scope looks quite broad:=C2=A0

&= quot;Addressing

Security, Identity, Location, Authorization, Accounting= /Auditing and Authentication

Mobility

Requirements from= Internet of Things

Requirements from video and content distribut= ion

Requirements from ultra=E2=80=90low latency use cases from di= fferent sectors (i.e. automotive)

Requirements from network opera= tors (e.g. challenges with E2E encrypted content)

Requirements fr= om eCommerce

Requirements for increased energy efficiency within = the global ICT sector."

Not sure exactly how one c= an engage in here.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Spencer Dawkin= s at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:=

Most of the StackEvo ty= pes likely know this, but maybe not everyone ...
=
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 6:3= 4 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Not closely but we've been around this block before.=C2=A0 My sugge= stion: wish them well and off they go, as long as they don't reuse our ethertype.

We can't em= phasize this enough.=C2=A0

We struggled with ITU-T= for decades about T-MPLS because they were reusing our ethertype for a dif= ferent protocol. I wasn't involved during most of the interactions, but= was certainly at a peace treaty negotiation with ITU-T, along with almost = of all of the other IAB members and IESG members in Geneva, after the Maast= richt IETF to convince them to change ethertypes, and even that was painful= .

People can invent protocols all day long. They j= ust can't break our protocols when they invent protocols.

Spencer

=C2=A0
Eliot

On 1/29/16 11:30 AM, Brian Trammell wrote:

=20 Greetings, all,

Is anyone on the Program (who works for an ETSI member organization) following this activity (or has any plans to)? It might be nice to make them aware of some of the work in the space already ongoing, and to figure out what their actual intended scope is.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian

Begin forwarded message:

From: Ted Hardie <<= /a>ted.ietf@gmail.c= om>

Subject: [IAB] ETSI group getting press as "replacing TCP/IP"

Date: 28 Jan 2016 18:16:40 CET

To: Internet Architecture Board <= iab@iab.org>

<= a href=3D"http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under= -development-414239" target=3D"_blank">http://www.itnews.com.au/news/worlds-next-internet-protocol-under-d= evelopment-414239

T= he ETSI ISG announcement is here: http://www.etsi.org/news-events/news/1058-2016-01-news-et= si-creates-new-standardization-group-to-pave-the-way-for-next-generation-pr= otocols

T= ed

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