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(envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7TEOdii010154; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eevee.engine.ca (gate1.engine.ca [207.188.86.150]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TEOcHX010148 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alicia@engine.ca) Received: (from alicia@localhost) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) id j7TEOha05391; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alicia da Conceicao Message-Id: <200508291424.j7TEOha05391@eevee.engine.ca> Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with external encrypted data To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS. Instead CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData structure. But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached in a separate file from the original data. And one can have a CMS EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional. But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or stream of encrypted data? Detachment is critical if one is dealing with large (> 1GB) file or data streams. There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it. Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA, software company, or service provider. These trusted organiations can digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted with the customers public keys. This is useful for provisioning, VoIP, video on demand, etc. If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards, please let me know. Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData. Thank you in advance. Alicia. From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Aug 29 10:56:31 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E9l3n-0002uq-IY for smime-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:56:31 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA15041 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TEccou011364; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7TEccnJ011363; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eevee.engine.ca (gate1.engine.ca [207.188.86.150]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TEcbda011357 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alicia@engine.ca) Received: (from alicia@localhost) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) id j7TEcgE05584 for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.engine.ca (catbus.engine.ca [192.168.1.1]) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id j7TEOj605396 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eevee.engine.ca (yakkura1.engine.ca [192.168.1.2]) by gate1.engine.ca (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j7TEOdX8023695 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alicia@localhost) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) id j7TEOha05391; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alicia da Conceicao Message-Id: <200508291424.j7TEOha05391@eevee.engine.ca> Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with external encrypted data To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on gate1.engine.ca Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS. Instead CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData structure. But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached in a separate file from the original data. And one can have a CMS EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional. But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or stream of encrypted data? Detachment is critical if one is dealing with large (> 1GB) file or data streams. There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it. Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA, software company, or service provider. These trusted organiations can digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted with the customers public keys. This is useful for provisioning, VoIP, video on demand, etc. If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards, please let me know. Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData. Thank you in advance. Alicia. From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Mon Aug 29 13:16:10 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E9nEw-0004PP-LR for smime-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:16:10 -0400 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA21717 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TGujHj020206; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7TGujqv020204; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.243.4]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j7TGuiYk020192 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 946 invoked by uid 0); 29 Aug 2005 16:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (141.156.189.146) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 16:56:39 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050829125334.067f3350@mail.binhost.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:56:38 -0400 To: Alicia da Conceicao From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: CMS and PKCS7 signedAndEnvelopedData Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org, ietf-pkix@imc.org In-Reply-To: <200508271213.j7RCDPa05376@eevee.engine.ca> References: <200508271213.j7RCDPa05376@eevee.engine.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Alicia: The SignedAndEnvelopedData was dropped because of a security concern. An attacker can remove the signature, essentially making an EnvelopedData, and the recipient has no way to tell that the originator intended to sign and encrypt the protected content. Russ At 08:13 AM 8/27/2005, Alicia da Conceicao wrote: >Greetings: > >Does CMS (Cryptographic Message Syntax) support signedAndEnvelopedData >as specified in PKCS7 v 1.5? I cannot find any references to >signedAndEnvelopedData in RFC-2630. > >Has signedAndEnvelopedData been deprecated in favour of placing signedData >within encrypted envelopedData, in order to protect the identity of the >signer? > >Thank you in advance. >Alicia. 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That would be to emit the encrypted body into the data file and then have a EncryptedData object followed by a SignedData object in the header information file. While this would not be strictly a CMS object in the second file the code could easily understand that the two items would follow in sequence. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Alicia da > Conceicao > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:25 AM > To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org > Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with > external encrypted data > > > Greetings: > > SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS. Instead > CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted > and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS > EnvelopedData structure. > > But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is > detached in a separate file from the original data. 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That would be to emit the encrypted body into the data file and then have a EncryptedData object followed by a SignedData object in the header information file. While this would not be strictly a CMS object in the second file the code could easily understand that the two items would follow in sequence. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Alicia da > Conceicao > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:25 AM > To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org > Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with > external encrypted data > > > Greetings: > > SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS. Instead > CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted > and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS > EnvelopedData structure. > > But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is > detached in a separate file from the original data. And one > can have a CMS EnvelopedData structrure with decryption > details in a separate file from the encrypted data since the > EncryptedContent is optional. > > But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does > one impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, > containing a digital signature and decryption details, for a > separate file or stream of encrypted data? Detachment is > critical if one is dealing with large (> 1GB) file or data streams. > > There are many real world cases where you want to both sign > and encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it. > Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, > like a CA, software company, or service provider. These > trusted organiations can digital signed and distribute > CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted with the customers > public keys. This is useful for provisioning, VoIP, video on > demand, etc. > > If anyone has any reasonable work around for > SignedAndEnvelopedData that works with detached encrypted > data and still meets the CMS standards, please let me know. > Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending the CMS > specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData. > > Thank you in advance. > Alicia. > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TGujHj020206; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7TGujqv020204; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.243.4]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j7TGuiYk020192 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 946 invoked by uid 0); 29 Aug 2005 16:56:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (141.156.189.146) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2005 16:56:39 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20050829125334.067f3350@mail.binhost.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:56:38 -0400 To: Alicia da Conceicao From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: CMS and PKCS7 signedAndEnvelopedData Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org, ietf-pkix@imc.org In-Reply-To: <200508271213.j7RCDPa05376@eevee.engine.ca> References: <200508271213.j7RCDPa05376@eevee.engine.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Alicia: The SignedAndEnvelopedData was dropped because of a security concern. An attacker can remove the signature, essentially making an EnvelopedData, and the recipient has no way to tell that the originator intended to sign and encrypt the protected content. Russ At 08:13 AM 8/27/2005, Alicia da Conceicao wrote: >Greetings: > >Does CMS (Cryptographic Message Syntax) support signedAndEnvelopedData >as specified in PKCS7 v 1.5? I cannot find any references to >signedAndEnvelopedData in RFC-2630. > >Has signedAndEnvelopedData been deprecated in favour of placing signedData >within encrypted envelopedData, in order to protect the identity of the >signer? > >Thank you in advance. >Alicia. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TEccou011364; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7TEccnJ011363; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eevee.engine.ca (gate1.engine.ca [207.188.86.150]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TEcbda011357 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alicia@engine.ca) Received: (from alicia@localhost) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) id j7TEcgE05584 for ietf-smime@imc.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate1.engine.ca (catbus.engine.ca [192.168.1.1]) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id j7TEOj605396 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eevee.engine.ca (yakkura1.engine.ca [192.168.1.2]) by gate1.engine.ca (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j7TEOdX8023695 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alicia@localhost) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) id j7TEOha05391; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alicia da Conceicao Message-Id: <200508291424.j7TEOha05391@eevee.engine.ca> Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with external encrypted data To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on gate1.engine.ca Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Greetings: SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS. Instead CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData structure. But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached in a separate file from the original data. And one can have a CMS EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional. But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or stream of encrypted data? Detachment is critical if one is dealing with large (> 1GB) file or data streams. There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it. Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA, software company, or service provider. These trusted organiations can digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted with the customers public keys. This is useful for provisioning, VoIP, video on demand, etc. If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards, please let me know. Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData. Thank you in advance. Alicia. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TEOdKc010155; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7TEOdii010154; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:24:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from eevee.engine.ca (gate1.engine.ca [207.188.86.150]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7TEOcHX010148 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:24:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alicia@engine.ca) Received: (from alicia@localhost) by eevee.engine.ca (8.11.3nb1/8.6.12) id j7TEOha05391; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alicia da Conceicao Message-Id: <200508291424.j7TEOha05391@eevee.engine.ca> Subject: replacement for signedAndEnvelopedData for CMS with external encrypted data To: ietf-smime@vpnc.org Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:24:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Greetings: SignedAndEnvelopedData has been deprecated for CMS. Instead CMS SignedData structures with embedded data are encrypted and placed inside the optional EncryptedContent of a CMS EnvelopedData structure. But one can have a CMS SignedData digital signature that is detached in a separate file from the original data. And one can have a CMS EnvelopedData structrure with decryption details in a separate file from the encrypted data since the EncryptedContent is optional. But without CMS support for SignedAndEnvelopedData, how does one impliment a detached file that is CMS compliant, containing a digital signature and decryption details, for a separate file or stream of encrypted data? Detachment is critical if one is dealing with large (> 1GB) file or data streams. There are many real world cases where you want to both sign and encrypt a message, and don't care if others can see who signed it. Especially when one has a centralized trusted organiation, like a CA, software company, or service provider. These trusted organiations can digital signed and distribute CUSTOMIZED secure data that is encrypted with the customers public keys. This is useful for provisioning, VoIP, video on demand, etc. If anyone has any reasonable work around for SignedAndEnvelopedData that works with detached encrypted data and still meets the CMS standards, please let me know. Otherwise it may be useful to look at ammending the CMS specification to include SignedAndEnvelopedData. Thank you in advance. Alicia. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7C8Z5aD079932; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:35:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j7C8Z5Bf079930; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:35:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from odin2.bull.net (odin2.bull.net [192.90.70.84]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7C8Z3Ah079870; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 01:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Denis.Pinkas@bull.net) Received: from cln-m001.frcl.bull.fr (cln-m001.frcl.bull.fr [129.182.91.40]) by odin2.bull.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16080; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:51:16 +0200 Received: from bull.net ([129.181.81.22]) by cln-m001.frcl.bull.fr (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.10) with ESMTP id 2005081210365403:713 ; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:36:54 +0200 Message-ID: <42FC5F3C.2010903@bull.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:35:08 +0200 From: Denis Pinkas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: S-MIME / IETF CC: pkix Subject: CAdES: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on CLN-M001/FR/BULL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 12/08/2005 10:36:54, Serialize by Router on CLN-M001/FR/BULL(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 12/08/2005 10:36:55, Serialize complete at 12/08/2005 10:36:55 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: The I-D for CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES) has been updated to correct a few typos and ASN.1 errors in the ASN.1 modules. It is now available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pinkas-smime-cades-01.txt Denis Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j74N5e5c086224; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j74N5egg086222; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:05:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.na.baesystems.com (smtp4.na.baesystems.com [63.164.202.13]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j74N5eOv086216 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John.Pawling@it.baesystems.com) Received: from BLUMS0022.bluelnk.net (blums0022.na.baesystems.com [10.40.96.145]) by smtp4.na.baesystems.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j74N5dKa018918 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vahqex1.digitalnet.com (vahqex1.gfgsi.com [159.94.37.41]) by smtp1.na.baesystems.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j74N5dGa011349 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: v2.5 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) Now Available Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:05:38 -0400 Message-ID: <1E589D17535F1A4EB4EC852DDDC26BC204496AFB@vahqex1.gfgsi.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: v2.5 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) Now Available Thread-Index: AcU612YDAV61YJFNQyesC26z4QwUVBecAdZQ From: "Pawling, John" To: "SMIME WG $SMIME WG$" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j74N5eOv086217 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: All, The Version 2.5 S/MIME Freeware Library (SFL) source code and documents are freely available at: The SFL implements the IETF S/MIME v3 RFC 3852 Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) and RFC 2634 Enhanced Security Services (ESS) specifications. It implements portions of the RFC 3851 Message Specification, RFC 3850 Certificate Handling, and RFC 3370 CMS Algorithms specifications. When used in conjunction with the Crypto++ freeware library, the SFL implements the RFC 2631 Diffie-Hellman (D-H) Key Agreement Method specification. It has been successfully tested using the Microsoft (MS) Windows 2000/XP, Linux and Sun Solaris 2.8 operating systems. Further enhancements, ports and testing of the SFL are still in process. Further releases of the SFL will be provided as significant capabilities are added. All source code for the SFL is being provided at no cost and with no financial limitations regarding its use and distribution. Organizations can use the SFL without paying any royalties or licensing fees. BAE Systems is developing the SFL under contract to the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government is furnishing the SFL source code at no cost to the vendor subject to the conditions of the "SMP Public License". The SFL has been successfully used to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt CMS/ESS objects using: DSA, E-S D-H, 3DES algorithms provided by the Crypto++ library; RSA suite of algorithms provided by the RSA BSAFE 6.0 Crypto-C and Crypto++ libraries; and Fortezza suite of algorithms provided by the Fortezza Crypto Card. The v2.5 SFL uses the v2.5 Certificate Management Library (CML) and v1.7 Enhanced SNACC (eSNACC) ASN.1 C++ Library to encode/decode objects and certificate path validation. The v2.5 SFL release includes: SFL High-level library; Free (a.k.a. Crypto++) Crypto Token Interface Library (CTIL); BSAFE CTIL; Fortezza CTIL; PKCS #11 CTIL; Microsoft CAPI v2.0 CTIL; test utilities; test drivers; and test data. All CTILs were tested as Dynamically Linked Libraries (DLL) using MS Windows. The Fortezza, BSAFE and Crypto++ CTILs were tested with the respective security libraries as shared objects using Linux and Solaris 2.8. We used the SFL to successfully process the SFL-supported sample data included in the S/MIME WG "Examples of S/MIME Messages" document. The use of the v2.5 SFL is described in the v2.5 SFL Application Programming Interface (API) and v2.5 SFL Software Design Description documents. The use of the v2.5 CTIL API is described in the v2.5 CTIL API document. v2.5 SFL includes the following enhancements (compared to v2.4 SFL releases): 1. CSM_CertificateChoice changed to reflect the Crytographic Message Syntax (CMS) update for the CertificateChoice class. The class was enhanced with a mechanism to support additional certificate formats without further changes to the CMS_CertificateChoice interface. A new member was added to handle the other significant format types. You will find the definition for this type in the SMIME/libCert library of the SFL. This requirement could not be fully implemented at this time because otherCertFormat type has not been defined. The SFL can only encode and decode this type. See CSM_CertificateChoice Class section for further details. 2. Added new classes CSM_RevocationInfoChoice and CSM_RevocationInfoChoices reflecting the CMS class RevocationInfoChoice addition. The new member SNACC::otherRevocationInfoFormat is in this class to support revocation status information formats without further changes to the CMS_RevocationInfoChoice. Full implementation is not available at this time because otherRevocationInfoFormat type has not been defined. The SFL can only encode and decode this type. 3. The use of version numbers have changed. The CSM_CertificateChoice and CSM_RevocationInfoChoice have new members which required version number logic changes. 4. Added support for the Crypto++ Implementation of AES to the sm_free3 CTIL. This was done because the Crypto++ implementation is significantly faster than the previous rijndael reference version. The AES rijndael/rijndaelref.zip is no longer needed to build the SMP/SFL library. Free3 now provides the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) algorithm, and is no longer in the Common Class. 5. To implement Appendix B of the RFC 3161, the TimeStampToken verification code now uses the CML to verify that the date/time indicated by the time stamp authority (TSA) falls within the validity period of the TSA's signing certificate and that the TSA's signing certificate was not revoked at the date/time of the time-stamping operation. To this end, revocation checking by the CML library is necessary, and the revPolicy member of the InitSettings of the CML session structure needs to be set to CM_REVCRL. The SFL is developed to maximize portability to 32-bit operating systems. In addition to testing on MS Windows, Linux and Solaris 2.8, we may port the SFL to other operating systems. On 14 January 2000, the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of Export Administration published a new regulation implementing an update to the U.S. Government's encryption export policy . In accordance with the revisions to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) of 14 Jan 2000, the downloading of the SFL source code is not password controlled. The SFL is composed of a high-level library that performs generic CMS and ESS processing independent of the crypto algorithms used to protect a specific object. The SFL high-level library makes calls to an algorithm-independent CTIL API. The underlying, external crypto token libraries are not distributed as part of the SFL source code. The application developer must independently obtain these libraries and then link them with the SFL. The SFL uses the CML and eSNACC ASN.1 Library to encode/decode certificates, ACs, CRLs and components thereof as well as to perform certificate path validation. The CML is freely available at: . The SFL has been successfully tested in conjunction with the Access Control Library (ACL) that is freely available to everyone from: . The Internet Mail Consortium (IMC) has established an SFL web page . The IMC has also established an SFL mail list which is used to: distribute information regarding SFL releases; discuss SFL-related issues; and provide a means for SFL users to provide feedback, comments, bug reports, etc. Subscription information for the imc-sfl mailing list is at the IMC web site listed above. All comments regarding the SFL source code and documents are welcome. This SFL release announcement was sent to several mail lists, but please send all messages regarding the SFL to the imc-sfl mail list ONLY. Please do not send messages regarding the SFL to any of the IETF mail lists. We will respond to all messages sent to the imc-sfl mail list. -------------------------------------------------------- John Pawling BAE SYSTEMS Information Technology John.Pawling@it.baesystems.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j71FXJDo056949; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j71FXJWH056948; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp103.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.217]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j71FXIh6056935 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Message-Id: <200508011533.j71FXIh6056935@above.proper.com> Received: (qmail 97702 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2005 15:33:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Wylie) (turners@ieca.com@70.21.3.4 with login) by smtp103.biz.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2005 15:33:12 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Turner, Sean P." To: "'S-MIME / IETF'" Subject: RE: CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:32:37 -0400 Organization: IECA, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWHsoxvFYIa8xWKTwqMMwN0VjnlrgD4vCggAsYrw4A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200507181239.j6ICdn9W067199@above.proper.com> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I'm still waiting to hear if there is anybody in the WG that is going to review this draft? spt > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Turner, Sean P. > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 8:39 AM > To: 'S-MIME / IETF' > Cc: 'pkix' > Subject: RE: CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES) > > > The question at hand is someone in the working group willing > to review this ID? > > spt > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-pkix@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Denis Pinkas > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:20 AM > To: S-MIME / IETF > Cc: pkix > Subject: CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES) > > > To the S-MIME list, > > > Copy: the PKIX list. > > RFC 3126 has been issued in September 2001 and its title is: > > "Electronic Signature Format for long term electronic signatures" > > The contents of this Informational RFC is technically > equivalent to ETSI TS > 101 733 V.1.2.2. > > In the mean time, ETSI TC ESI has revised this Technical > Standard (TS) and is going to publish a new version of it > with a new title : > > CMS Advanced Electronic Signatures (CAdES), in order to be > the "brother" of XML Advanced Electronic Signatures (XAdES), > published as ETSI TS 101 903. > > In order to make this document widely available, ETSI has > produced an equivalent of the revised TS using the format of a RFC. > > This document is temporarily available (by a kind hosting > from Paul Offman) > from: > > > > until is is officially posted in the IETF repository. > > The major changes are mentioned section J : > > "The title of the document has changed to be aligned with the title > of XAdES, the vocabulary used within the present document has been > aligned with the vocabulary used in XAdES, > > In the previous version of TS 101 733 (i.e. version 1.5.1) > sigPolicyHash was mandatory. Implementations requiring to be > backward compatible with version 1.5.1 and previous versions > of the current document MUST include SigPolicyHash. > > The OIDs from the ASN.1 modules have changed for the following > reasons: > > - the OIDs of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 2560 and RFC 3161 have been > included. > > - since RFC 2459 and RFC 3369 has been obsoleted by RFC 3280 and > RFC 3852 respectively, there was the need to refer to the OIDs > of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 3280 and RFC 3852, instead of the > OIDs of the ASN.1 modules of RFC 2459 and RFC 3369. > > - the other change is related to the field sigPolicyHash from > SignaturePolicyId (see clause 5.8.1). That field was mandatory > and is now optional." > > It is proposed to progress this document within the S-MIME WG > as an Informational Standard. > > Denis > > > > >