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               ANNOUNCING THE INTERNET SOCIETY'S
2005 NETWORK AND DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM SECURITY SYMPOSIUM (NDSS'05)

February 2, 2005 - Pre Conference Workshop
February 3-4, 2005 - Symposium
Catamaran Resort Hotel, San Diego, California
General Chair:  Eric Harder, National Security Agency
Program co-Chairs: Dan Simon, Microsoft Research
                   Dan Boneh, Stanford University

ONLINE INFORMATION AND REGISTRATION: http://www.isoc.org/ndss05/

    The 12th annual NDSS Symposium brings together innovative and
    forward thinking members of the Internet community including
    leading edge security researchers and implementers, globally
    recognized security technology experts, and users from both
    the private and public sectors who design, develop, exploit,
    and deploy the technologies that define network and distributed
    system security.

    NDSS'05 provides a balanced mix of technical papers (with a
    strong emphasis on implementation) that cover new and practical
    approaches to security problems that are endemic to network and
    distributed systems. 

THIS YEAR'S TOPICS INCLUDE:
     * Cryptography in Network Security
      * Denial of Service Attacks,
    * Peer to Peer Approaches
       * Internet Defense
      * Intrusion Detection
   * Platform Security.
FEATURED GUEST SPEAKER:
        * Amit Yoran, who was responsible for coordinating cyber-security
          activities for Homeland Security, will speak on "Security
          Challenges and Opportunities of the Future Enterprise"

PRE CONFERENCE WORKSHOP TOPICS INCLUDE:
* Security in handling mobility on the internet
        * Security in wireless LANs
     * Security for telephony or voice over IP
       * Trust relations in ad hoc networks
    * Key management strategies to support mobility
        * Security in RFID.
     More information is available at:
        http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/ndss/05/workshop.shtml
     Parties interested in submitting papers should see the above
        web page for directions

REGISTER EARLY FOR BEST PRICING
     Registration for NDSS'05 is now open. Student rates are available
     for both the workshop and symposium. See the web site for more
     information -- http://www.isoc.org/ndss05/  Registration fees:
        *  November 31, 2004-January 10, 2005   $625.
        *  After January 10, 2005               $695.

SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE!
     If your organization would like to help support NDSS and gain
     visibility through sponsoring, please contact:
     sponsor-ndss@isoc.org.  Information is also available at   
     http://www.isoc.org/ndss05/


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NDSS'05 Publicity Chair
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Symbol: OTC Pink Sheets: DBSJ Industry: Enterprise Software Current Price: 0.19 Shares Out.: 36.0 Million Est. Public Float: 2.8 Million Market Capitalization: 5.4 Million Major Recent News! Press Release Source: Database Solutions, Inc. Database Solutions, Inc. Announces over 100 Users on its Agent Intelligenc= e Product and Projects (USD) 500,000 to (USD) 1,000,000 in Paying Subscrib= ers for Agent Intelligence in 2005. Monday January 10, 6:00 am ET TORONTO. BUSINESS WIRE. Jan. 10, 2005. Database Solutions, Inc.(DBSJ), the= technology and marketing customer relationship management (CRM) on-demand= company, today announced that as of January 10, 2005, the company now has= over 100 users worldwide subscribing to onlinedatabasesolutions.com Agent= Intelligence CRM service. The Company believes that it may add up to 100 = new subscribers over the next four fiscal quarters. "DBSJ has democratized CRM for the Insur ance Industry," said Jason Wong, = President and CEO. "Insur ance brokerages of all sizes and insur ance agen= ts - from small businesses to Fortune 500 enterprises - may experience CRM= success with Agent Intelligence and onlinedatabasesolutions.com. The insu= r ance industry is moving to on-demand, and by relentlessly focusing on ma= king each and every one of our customers successful, DBSJ may become a mar= keting and technology leader in on-demand CRM for the insur ance industry.= " The Company reports that the Version 3 (v3) of Agent Intelligence was comp= leted, launched and created based on valuable feedback from beta testers o= ver three quarters in 2004. DBSJ's 2004 fourth quarter sales upon the comp= letion of v3 was (usd) 30,000 without any marketing effort or corporate ex= pense. Currently DBSJ has over 100 users on Agent Intelligence and project= s strong sales growth over the next four quarters for Agent Intelligence a= nd onlinedatabasesolutions.com family of products. About Database Solutions, Inc. [OTC Pink Sheets: DBSJ] Database Solutions, Inc. is a technology and marketing company in the on-d= emand customer relationship management (CRM) industry and the software dev= eloper of Agent Intelligence. Database Solutions Agent Intelligence's prop= rietary browser-based software was designed specifically for the insur anc= e industry to provide backend administration of insur ance policies, clien= t tracking and client marketing/selling strategies for an entire insur anc= e brokerage or insur ance company. The Company's family of products includ= es a comprehensive suite of CRM applications to help enterprises of all si= zes, industries and geographies meet the complex challenge of sharing and = managing information on-demand. Unlike other insur ance administration sys= tems currently on the market, Agent Intelligence focuses on the needs of t= he broker - simplifying their business by eliminating the paper administra= tion involved in tracking their clients to in crease sales. By automatical= ly tracking all events along the lead development process an agent and/or = manager is able to see any weaknesses in an agents selling process. Automa= ted reports critical to both management and agent are automatically availa= ble through the use of the Agent Intelligence system. One of the most attr= active features of the Agent Intelligence product is the fact that it is e= ntirely browser based and no hardware or software installation process is = required. The Agent Intelligence user also immediately benefits from compl= ete upgrades and on-demand customization. The Company allows customers and= independent software vendors to customize and integrate onlinedatabasesol= utions.com's products, as well as build their own on-demand enterprise app= lications. From the Investors' Point of View: Database Solutions, Inc. [OTC Pink Shee= ts: DBSJ] DBSJ=92s Agent Intelligence solution is an innovative CRM solution for the= 3 trillion US insur ance industry. Unlike other insur ance administratio= n systems currently on the market the Agent Intelligence solution focuses = on the needs of the broker =96 simplifying their business by eliminating t= he paper administration involved in tracking their clients, further drivin= g sales. By automatically tracking all events along the lead development = process an agent and/or manager is quickly able to see weaknesses in an ag= ents selling process. The most attractive feature of this product is the f= act that it is entirely browser based therefore no hardware or software in= stallation process is required. Agent Intelligence users also immediately = benefit from frequent and constant development of system upgrades. Database Solutions is positioned in the sizeable and rapidly expanding mar= kets in CRM solutions and hosted software. The CRM solutions market is es= timated at more than 8 billion and has been growing at a rate of more than= 10% per year over the past four years, driven by dramatically reduced cos= ts and improved technologies. At the same time, the market for hosted sof= tware has been expanding at an exponential rate, with a CAGR of 36= % IDC expects this 1 billion market to reach more than 3.6 billion by 2008= DBSJ=92s Agent Intelligence hosted CRM solution offers a number of signifi= cant benefits to customers in the insur ance industry. Compared to tradit= ional CRM services, which require significant IT expertise and up-front co= sts, DBSJ=92s on-demand CRM service can be quickly and affordably deployed= in an organization without significant capital expenditures. DBSJ benefits from its strong and highly experienced management team, who = are well versed in IT and in the insur ance industry. Founders Jason Wong= and Kervin Findlay previously held senior management positions at KF Tech= nologies, Inc., a provider of data based management systems for the insur = ance industry, where they were successful in applying IT solutions to the = unique challenges of the insur ance business. The Company has also built a Board of Directors with extensive insur ance = industry expertise and contacts which will be instrumental in gaining new = clients. The Company=92s Board includes: Mr. Sal Nuccio, an experienced b= usiness writer and consultant for the New York Times, who has also served = as Administrative VP of the Continental Insur ance Companies and as the NY= State Deputy Superintendent of Insur ance; and Ms. Eileen Mayer, Chief Ag= ent for Superior Life, responsible for the federal and provincial licensin= g as well as all statutory reporting to the federal government. Will DBSJ explode higher as more and more investors become aware of the st= ock? If you think so, you may not want to wait until it is too late. Remem= ber, timing your trade is critical. Good Luck and Successful Trading. This publication is an independent publication with the goal of giving inv= estors the necessary knowledge to make rational and profitable investment = decisions. Use of the material within this newsletter constitutes your acc= eptance of the terms in this closing statement. This publication does not = provide an analysis of the Company's financial position and is not an soli= citation to purchase or sell securities Investing in securities is specula= tive and carries risk. It is advisable that any investment should be made = after consulting with your investment expert and after reviewing the finan= cial statements of the company. The information in this report is believed= to be reliable, but its accuracy cannot be assured. Past performance does= not insure similar future results. This is not purported to be a complete= and thorough analysis of the featured company and recommends a complete r= eview of the Company's regulatory filings at secgov The information herein= contains future looking statements and information within the meaning of = Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securitie= s Exchange Act of 1934, including statements regarding expected continual = growth of the featured company. Any statements that express or involve dis= cussions with respect to predictions, expectations, beliefs, plans, projec= tions, objectives, goals, assumptions or future events or performance are = not statements of historical fact and may be future looking statements. Fu= ture looking statements are based on expectations, estimates and projectio= ns at the time the statements are made that involve a number of risks and = uncertainties which could cause actual results or events to differ materia= lly from those presently anticipated. Future looking statements in this ac= tion may be identified through the use of words such as projects, foresee,= expects, will, anticipates, estimates, believes, understands, or that by = statements indicating certain actions may, could, or might occur. We discl= ose the receipt of two thousand dollars from a third party, not an officer= , director, or affiliate shareholder of the company for the preparation of= this online report. Be aware of an inherent conflict of interest resultin= g from such compensation due to the fact that this is a paid publication. = All factual information in this report was gathered from public sources, i= ncluding but not limited to Company Web sites, SEC filings and Company Pre= ss Releases. This information is believed to be reliable but can make no a= bsolute certainty as to its accuracy or completeness. As with many microca= p stocks, todays company has additional risk factors worth noting. 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Turner'" , Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:29:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcT8/IBwzqCNsIfWRcq4E1qdeZsW7QAwVKxg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <41EC600C.2020900@sendmail.com> Message-Id: <20050119001859.D061271F7A@smtp1.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blake, I have some open issues previously posted for this draft. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:02 PM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Cc: Stefan Santesson; Sean P. 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One of these features is part of EnvelopedData. As such, the version number processing was updated to preserve backward compatibility. Unfortunately, there is an error in the pseudo code used to determine the proper version number. Section 6.1 contains the incorrect pseudo code. The corrected pseudo code is provided. OLD: IF (originatorInfo is present) AND ((any certificates with a type of other are present) OR (any crls with a type of other are present)) THEN version is 4 ELSE IF ((originatorInfo is present) AND (any version 2 attribute certificates are present)) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include pwri) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include ori) THEN version is 3 ELSE IF (originatorInfo is absent) OR (unprotectedAttrs is absent) OR (all RecipientInfo structures are version 0) THEN version is 0 ELSE version is 2 NEW: IF (originatorInfo is present) AND ((any certificates with a type of other are present) OR (any crls with a type of other are present)) THEN version is 4 ELSE IF ((originatorInfo is present) AND (any version 2 attribute certificates are present)) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include pwri) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include ori) THEN version is 3 ELSE IF (originatorInfo is absent) AND (unprotectedAttrs is absent) AND (all RecipientInfo structures are version 0) THEN version is 0 ELSE version is 2 Please publish this errata as soon as possible. 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My Husband is working all day and I need a man in these hard times of life= ----8476329174vokf0720-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 27 12:00:32 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29421 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0RGVnue031971; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0RGVnaS031970; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.243.4]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j0RGVmre031963 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 1519 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2005 16:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (156.80.127.96) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 16:31:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050127101244.051759b0@mail.binhost.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:17:04 -0500 To: jimsch@exmsft.com From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: Change request for CMS Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20050126201307.15EF582DD8@smtp2.pacifier.net> References: <20050126201307.15EF582DD8@smtp2.pacifier.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim: I can see how this helps enrollment. Aren't you trying to name the password? Assuming the password is one to one and onto with the KEK, the identifier actually names both. For a change of this size, I think that an update to the document (as opposed to the whole document) is appropriate. Russ At 03:23 PM 1/26/2005, Jim Schaad wrote: >Russ, > >Sometimes I wonder if this will ever end - the endless updates to documents >as we find things that seem to be lacking. Oh well..... > > >I find myself wanting to identify a key using the password recipient info >type in an enveloped data structure. Specifcally I am sending a enveloped >data structure between a server and a client system. They do not yet have >certificates setup so that there is no way to use a public/private key pair. >They however do have an identifier/passphase setup between them. It would >be convient if one could place the identifier in the PasswordRecipientInfo >structure so that all of the data is together rather than looking in many >different places for the infomration needed. > > >I would like to change the structure to > >PasswordRecipientInfo ::= SEQUENCE { > version CMSVersion -- {v0, v1} > kekid [1] KEKIdentifier OPTIONAL, -- if present version = 1 > keyDerivationAlgorithm [0] KeyyDerivationAlgorithmIdentifier OPTIONAL, > keyEncryptionAlgorithm KeyEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier, > encryptedKey EncryptedKey >} > > >Jim From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Thu Jan 27 16:36:54 2005 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA01996 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0RL59wn054279; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0RL59cA054278; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:09 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0RL54mt054267 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (unknown [207.202.179.27]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32A4705AB; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:01 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Russ Housley'" Cc: Subject: RE: Change request for CMS Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:15:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUEkKbKuKaaI8QSTcuxF6iu4AQbjwAJHwiQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050127101244.051759b0@mail.binhost.com> Message-Id: <20050127210501.C32A4705AB@smtp1.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Russ, Yes I am just trying to name the password, I suppose that all I need for such an identifier is really a UTF8String. I was just trying to re-use what was already there. An update for this would be fine for me. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:17 AM > To: jimsch@exmsft.com > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: Re: Change request for CMS > > > Jim: > > I can see how this helps enrollment. > > Aren't you trying to name the password? Assuming the > password is one to one and onto with the KEK, the identifier > actually names both. > > For a change of this size, I think that an update to the > document (as opposed to the whole document) is appropriate. > > Russ > > At 03:23 PM 1/26/2005, Jim Schaad wrote: > >Russ, > > > >Sometimes I wonder if this will ever end - the endless updates to > >documents as we find things that seem to be lacking. Oh well..... > > > > > >I find myself wanting to identify a key using the password recipient > >info type in an enveloped data structure. Specifcally I am > sending a > >enveloped data structure between a server and a client > system. They do > >not yet have certificates setup so that there is no way to > use a public/private key pair. > >They however do have an identifier/passphase setup between them. 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------=_Part_1134197_467355.1107232979517-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j111xWik042574; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:59:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j111xWOk042573; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:59:32 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j111xN0r042550 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:59:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jimsch@nwlink.com) Received: from romans (ip7.131.du.eli.iinet.com [67.136.131.7]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D894570173 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:59:10 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: Subject: Minor Type in rfc3852 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:09:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUHu9cpqE8ojwy0SK+A+Th9aVak3QAPkt5w Message-Id: <20050201015910.D894570173@smtp1.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I have found a minor typo in RFC 3852. In the textual section that describes RecipientInfo (Section 6.2) the ASN.1 is given as follows: RecipientInfo ::= CHOICE { ktri KeyTransRecipientInfo, kari [1] KeyAgreeRecipientInfo, kekri [2] KEKRecipientInfo, pwri [3] PasswordRecipientinfo, ori [4] OtherRecipientInfo } Note that the 'I' for info isn ot capitalized for PasswordRecipientInfo. The complete ASN.1 in section 12.1 has it correct as does the text describing the PasswordRecipientInfo type. Jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0SFXtde061242; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:33:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0SFXtDd061241; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:33:55 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.greenvalley.nl (cust.91.223.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.91.223]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0SFXnX7061215 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@greenvalley.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.greenvalley.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC641C2F0 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.greenvalley.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14461-06 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:40 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.greenvalley.nl (Postfix, from userid 0) id E2C4DC2A3; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:33:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from above.proper.com ([208.184.76.39]) by mail.greenvalley.nl (Merak 4.00.100) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:55:09 +0100 Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0P1XXau006475; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0P1XXBR006474; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from Aluminium.local (160.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au [210.50.72.160]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0P1XVdg006460 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spamfilter@donncha.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Aluminium.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id E324B3955C8 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:16 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <161F6B90-6E71-11D9-B718-000A95BC7B6C@donncha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: donncha Subject: Clients supporting Header Protection Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:16 +1100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at greenvalley.nl Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I'm updating my S/MIME library to support header protection and was wondering if anyone knows of a mail client which will generate & parse a 'header protected' S/MIME message so that I can test against it? thanks, donncha Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0RL59wn054279; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0RL59cA054278; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:09 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0RL54mt054267 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (unknown [207.202.179.27]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32A4705AB; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:05:01 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Russ Housley'" Cc: Subject: RE: Change request for CMS Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:15:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUEkKbKuKaaI8QSTcuxF6iu4AQbjwAJHwiQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050127101244.051759b0@mail.binhost.com> Message-Id: <20050127210501.C32A4705AB@smtp1.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Russ, Yes I am just trying to name the password, I suppose that all I need for such an identifier is really a UTF8String. I was just trying to re-use what was already there. An update for this would be fine for me. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:17 AM > To: jimsch@exmsft.com > Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: Re: Change request for CMS > > > Jim: > > I can see how this helps enrollment. > > Aren't you trying to name the password? Assuming the > password is one to one and onto with the KEK, the identifier > actually names both. > > For a change of this size, I think that an update to the > document (as opposed to the whole document) is appropriate. > > Russ > > At 03:23 PM 1/26/2005, Jim Schaad wrote: > >Russ, > > > >Sometimes I wonder if this will ever end - the endless updates to > >documents as we find things that seem to be lacking. Oh well..... > > > > > >I find myself wanting to identify a key using the password recipient > >info type in an enveloped data structure. Specifcally I am > sending a > >enveloped data structure between a server and a client > system. They do > >not yet have certificates setup so that there is no way to > use a public/private key pair. > >They however do have an identifier/passphase setup between them. It > >would be convient if one could place the identifier in the > >PasswordRecipientInfo structure so that all of the data is together > >rather than looking in many different places for the > infomration needed. > > > > > >I would like to change the structure to > > > >PasswordRecipientInfo ::= SEQUENCE { > > version CMSVersion -- {v0, v1} > > kekid [1] KEKIdentifier OPTIONAL, -- if present version = 1 > > keyDerivationAlgorithm [0] > KeyyDerivationAlgorithmIdentifier OPTIONAL, > > keyEncryptionAlgorithm KeyEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier, > > encryptedKey EncryptedKey > >} > > > > > >Jim > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0RGVnue031971; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0RGVnaS031970; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.243.4]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j0RGVmre031963 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 1519 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2005 16:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (156.80.127.96) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 16:31:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050127101244.051759b0@mail.binhost.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:17:04 -0500 To: jimsch@exmsft.com From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: Change request for CMS Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20050126201307.15EF582DD8@smtp2.pacifier.net> References: <20050126201307.15EF582DD8@smtp2.pacifier.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim: I can see how this helps enrollment. Aren't you trying to name the password? Assuming the password is one to one and onto with the KEK, the identifier actually names both. For a change of this size, I think that an update to the document (as opposed to the whole document) is appropriate. Russ At 03:23 PM 1/26/2005, Jim Schaad wrote: >Russ, > >Sometimes I wonder if this will ever end - the endless updates to documents >as we find things that seem to be lacking. Oh well..... > > >I find myself wanting to identify a key using the password recipient info >type in an enveloped data structure. Specifcally I am sending a enveloped >data structure between a server and a client system. They do not yet have >certificates setup so that there is no way to use a public/private key pair. >They however do have an identifier/passphase setup between them. It would >be convient if one could place the identifier in the PasswordRecipientInfo >structure so that all of the data is together rather than looking in many >different places for the infomration needed. > > >I would like to change the structure to > >PasswordRecipientInfo ::= SEQUENCE { > version CMSVersion -- {v0, v1} > kekid [1] KEKIdentifier OPTIONAL, -- if present version = 1 > keyDerivationAlgorithm [0] KeyyDerivationAlgorithmIdentifier OPTIONAL, > keyEncryptionAlgorithm KeyEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier, > encryptedKey EncryptedKey >} > > >Jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0QKDDf4044212; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0QKDCdb044211; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:13:12 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0QKD9MI044175 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jimsch@nwlink.com) Received: from romans (unknown [207.202.179.27]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EF582DD8; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:13:07 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "Russ Housley" Cc: Subject: Change request for CMS Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:23:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUD5N3pvdOkoT6kS+iy5QFJnRLONQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050126201307.15EF582DD8@smtp2.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Russ, Sometimes I wonder if this will ever end - the endless updates to documents as we find things that seem to be lacking. Oh well..... I find myself wanting to identify a key using the password recipient info type in an enveloped data structure. Specifcally I am sending a enveloped data structure between a server and a client system. They do not yet have certificates setup so that there is no way to use a public/private key pair. They however do have an identifier/passphase setup between them. It would be convient if one could place the identifier in the PasswordRecipientInfo structure so that all of the data is together rather than looking in many different places for the infomration needed. I would like to change the structure to PasswordRecipientInfo ::= SEQUENCE { version CMSVersion -- {v0, v1} kekid [1] KEKIdentifier OPTIONAL, -- if present version = 1 keyDerivationAlgorithm [0] KeyyDerivationAlgorithmIdentifier OPTIONAL, keyEncryptionAlgorithm KeyEncryptionAlgorithmIdentifier, encryptedKey EncryptedKey } Jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0Q1YppU035757; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0Q1Ypqi035756; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:34:51 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.175.83]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j0Q1YktH035745 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:34:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from BonattiC@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO vagabond) (BonattiC@ieca.com@69.140.147.63 with login) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2005 01:34:46 -0000 From: "Bonatti, Chris" To: "'donncha'" Cc: Subject: RE: Clients supporting Header Protection Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 20:34:41 -0500 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: <003601c50347$35b96130$0700a8c0@darn.ieca.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <161F6B90-6E71-11D9-B718-000A95BC7B6C@donncha.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This seems like the kind of thing that the Examples draft is for, but I'm fairly sure this case isn't covered. Chris -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of donncha Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 20:33 To: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Clients supporting Header Protection I'm updating my S/MIME library to support header protection and was wondering if anyone knows of a mail client which will generate & parse a 'header protected' S/MIME message so that I can test against it? thanks, donncha Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0P1XXau006475; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0P1XXBR006474; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:33 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from Aluminium.local (160.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au [210.50.72.160]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0P1XVdg006460 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:33:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spamfilter@donncha.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Aluminium.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id E324B3955C8 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:16 +1100 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <161F6B90-6E71-11D9-B718-000A95BC7B6C@donncha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ietf-smime@imc.org From: donncha Subject: Clients supporting Header Protection Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:33:16 +1100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I'm updating my S/MIME library to support header protection and was wondering if anyone knows of a mail client which will generate & parse a 'header protected' S/MIME message so that I can test against it? thanks, donncha Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0O592BA066333; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0O592C4066332; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:09:02 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.243.4]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j0O58tY2066135 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 7313 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 2005 22:31:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (138.88.35.173) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 22:31:42 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122140614.00b9ca90@mail.binhost.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:07:36 -0500 To: , From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: Protection of header elements in an S/MIME message Cc: In-Reply-To: <20050111222141.386AC6E8EF@smtp3.pacifier.net> References: <20050111222141.386AC6E8EF@smtp3.pacifier.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I think that working on a specification in this area would help a lot of future efforts. I encourage the working group to discuss this topic at IETF 62. If there is consensus, then the WG should request an extension to the charter. Russ At 05:31 PM 1/11/2005, Jim Schaad wrote: >I think that we may need to revisit the issue of how S/MIME protects >headers. > >In doing some consulting for other groups in the IETF I have found that >there are now four different groups that need a better solution to this >problem: > >S/MIME - uses an encapsulated message (message/rfc822) >SIP - uses an encapsulated message (message/sip) >PGP - uses an encapsulated message (message/rfc822) [I may be putting words >into the PGP working groups collective mouths] >MASS - a new proposed working group looking at providing authorization >information on e-mail messages - no current solution. > >All of these groups would benefit if we define a standard way to allow for >inclusion of RFC822 headers in a message body along with rules for >comparision between the acutal header and the embedded header. > >I would recommend looking at RFC 3261 section 23.4.1 for a description of >how SIP handled the comparison problem between the outer and inner headers. > >The MASS group would not be open to saying that the correct answer is to >have an embedded message that is promoted when found. I don't know if this >has been implemented by any S/MIME implemenation I would be surprised if it >was widely adopted. > >Jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0O58uik066192; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:08:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0O58uno066167; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:08:56 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.243.4]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j0O58pm7066073 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:08:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 7296 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 2005 22:31:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (138.88.35.173) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2005 22:31:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050122135306.052fea80@mail.binhost.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:04:01 -0500 To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org From: Russ Housley Subject: RFC 3852 Errata Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: RFC 3852 contains a few features that were not available in RFC 2630. One of these features is part of EnvelopedData. As such, the version number processing was updated to preserve backward compatibility. Unfortunately, there is an error in the pseudo code used to determine the proper version number. Section 6.1 contains the incorrect pseudo code. The corrected pseudo code is provided. OLD: IF (originatorInfo is present) AND ((any certificates with a type of other are present) OR (any crls with a type of other are present)) THEN version is 4 ELSE IF ((originatorInfo is present) AND (any version 2 attribute certificates are present)) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include pwri) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include ori) THEN version is 3 ELSE IF (originatorInfo is absent) OR (unprotectedAttrs is absent) OR (all RecipientInfo structures are version 0) THEN version is 0 ELSE version is 2 NEW: IF (originatorInfo is present) AND ((any certificates with a type of other are present) OR (any crls with a type of other are present)) THEN version is 4 ELSE IF ((originatorInfo is present) AND (any version 2 attribute certificates are present)) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include pwri) OR (any RecipientInfo structures include ori) THEN version is 3 ELSE IF (originatorInfo is absent) AND (unprotectedAttrs is absent) AND (all RecipientInfo structures are version 0) THEN version is 0 ELSE version is 2 Please publish this errata as soon as possible. Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0J7tLJh043599; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:55:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0J7tLJs043597; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:55:21 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail-eur.microsoft.com (mail-eur.microsoft.com [213.199.128.145]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0J7tBY2043488 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:55:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefans@microsoft.com) Received: from EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com ([65.53.192.44]) by mail-eur.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:55:00 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:54:59 -0000 Message-ID: <0C3042E92D8A714783E2C44AB9936E1D018D0572@EUR-MSG-03.europe.corp.microsoft.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt thread-index: AcT8/IBwzqCNsIfWRcq4E1qdeZsW7QAwVKxgAA9zB4A= From: "Stefan Santesson" To: , "Blake Ramsdell" Cc: "Sean P. Turner" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2005 07:55:00.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D193870:01C4FDFC] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j0J7tCY2043541 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim, I have noted your comments and accepted to most of them in an e-mail to the list. You said in your e-mail though that you thought we could do last call on version 02 since comments were minor editorial in nature. I plan to deal with your comments together with other eventual comments during this last call. Please correct me if I, in your opinion, have got anything wrong. Stefan Santesson Microsoft Security Center of Excellence (SCOE) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Schaad [mailto:ietf@augustcellars.com] > Sent: den 19 januari 2005 01:29 > To: 'Blake Ramsdell' > Cc: Stefan Santesson; 'Sean P. Turner'; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Blake, > > I have some open issues previously posted for this draft. > > jim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:02 PM > > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > > Cc: Stefan Santesson; Sean P. Turner > > Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > > > This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on > > the document: > > > > Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME > Capabilities > > Author(s) : S. Santesson > > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > Pages : 5 > > Date : 2004-12-13 > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > > The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the > > Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is > > suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. > > > > Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. > > Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial > > issues may be sent to the document editor. > > > > The Last Call period will end on Tuesday, January 25, 2005. > > > > Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take > > action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: > > > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > > that the document, after possible editorial or > > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > > for publication as a Standard Track RFC > > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > > addressed prior to further action (including, > > possibly, another WG Last Call). > > > > Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group > > members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the > > Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! > > -- > > Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com > > > > > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0J0PBMB056334; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0J0PB3A056333; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:25:11 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foon.sendmail.com (tls.sendmail.com [209.246.26.40]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0J0PBNJ056297 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blake@sendmail.com) Received: from [10.212.0.121] ([10.212.0.121]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j0J0P5La025215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:25:06 -0800 X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.2.2 foon.sendmail.com j0J0P5La025215 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; b=WJIINk1K2iBXJ3xvou6bVv8M4wL+KuVMHJ21EexW1rh25yKvehvpNdtm6zUezeC+c /sNqWhqd8MAd3i4Kl1oz1ZJjWAsDDuXBxXEjjA6D/+8Yg1fAGzs0ukeN4SEJEGce25p bsLEb0llM4awRH03f259+HdOC4kfLB2xsBjYO60= Message-ID: <41EDA8E1.4080805@sendmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:25:05 -0800 From: Blake Ramsdell User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf@augustcellars.com CC: "'Stefan Santesson'" , "'Sean P. Turner'" , ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt References: <20050119001859.D061271F7A@smtp1.pacifier.net> In-Reply-To: <20050119001859.D061271F7A@smtp1.pacifier.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim Schaad wrote: > Blake, > > I have some open issues previously posted for this draft. So what's the next step? Stefan indicated that this version was ready for last call and that the open comments were minor. I'd say work it out with Stefan and we'll get this wrapped up this week. Involve the list as required. Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0J0JInx051365; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:19:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0J0JIUd051361; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:19:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0J0J9Hi051234 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:19:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (unknown [207.202.179.27]) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D061271F7A; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:18:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Blake Ramsdell'" Cc: "'Stefan Santesson'" , "'Sean P. Turner'" , Subject: RE: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:29:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcT8/IBwzqCNsIfWRcq4E1qdeZsW7QAwVKxg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <41EC600C.2020900@sendmail.com> Message-Id: <20050119001859.D061271F7A@smtp1.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Blake, I have some open issues previously posted for this draft. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Blake Ramsdell > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:02 PM > To: ietf-smime@imc.org > Cc: Stefan Santesson; Sean P. Turner > Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > > This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on > the document: > > Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities > Author(s) : S. Santesson > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > Pages : 5 > Date : 2004-12-13 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt > > The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the > Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is > suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. > > Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. > Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial > issues may be sent to the document editor. > > The Last Call period will end on Tuesday, January 25, 2005. > > Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take > action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > that the document, after possible editorial or > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > for publication as a Standard Track RFC > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > addressed prior to further action (including, > possibly, another WG Last Call). > > Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group > members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the > Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! > -- > Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0I12Bi9048182; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0I12BU7048181; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:11 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from foon.sendmail.com (tls.sendmail.com [209.246.26.40]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0I12AWY048173 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blake@sendmail.com) Received: from [10.212.0.121] ([10.212.0.121]) by foon.sendmail.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id j0I125JJ021949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:06 -0800 X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v0.2.2 foon.sendmail.com j0I125JJ021949 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=tls; d=sendmail.com; c=nofws; q=dns; b=Q0lm4cA3a+171Ey95QpEXLRr32RaG2t+pUXN3PHJvcCzfFvsaHBZl0QSGRm4aaunB ChPaRESuZr0b4GO9v58DCJMYLSj6IJ9rljqmTuJB++pilnO4nDcDK9eLX2Ev6j7o3NH 2N+dTi03X8M7UOkofd6JVdYNLoiNF7avhULKqy8= Message-ID: <41EC600C.2020900@sendmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:04 -0800 From: Blake Ramsdell User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-smime@imc.org CC: Stefan Santesson , "Sean P. Turner" Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : Certificate extension for S/MIME Capabilities Author(s) : S. Santesson Filename : draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2004-12-13 A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-certcapa-02.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on Tuesday, January 25, 2005. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as a Standard Track RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! -- Blake Ramsdell | Sendmail, Inc. | http://www.sendmail.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0EMoV8k003264; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:50:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0EMoVjJ003263; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:50:31 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp4.pacifier.net (smtp4.pacifier.net [64.255.237.174]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0EMoMbs003146 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ietf@augustcellars.com) Received: from romans (unknown [207.202.179.27]) by smtp4.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96C26A99A; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 14:50:10 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Bonatti, Chris'" Cc: Subject: RE: Protection of header elements in an S/MIME message Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:00:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcT5uWyh0S4mb3yhQf22tBW02BU9xgA0nLFg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <001901c4f8d8$e26cc4e0$0300a8c0@darn.ieca.com> Message-Id: <20050114225010.E96C26A99A@smtp4.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Chris, The main reason seems to be that they do not want to change any client e-mail applications, and do not want to have extranious attachments showing up on clients systems. I have never been a fan of the embedded message solution, but it is the simpliest available from a specification standpoint. This solution however does NOT solve the problem of matching headers. We just did not address it in the detail that we should have done in the S/MIME working group. Anyway the MASS objections to using S/MIME seem to be: 1) We don't want to buy into a universal CA trust hierarchy for cost and complexity reasons. 2) We don't want to alter MUAs to deal with S/MIME or to show attachments to clients for those people who do not "opt into the system". 3) We need a way to protecting header information. This is not well covered in the S/MIME documents or current thought processes. Most people tend to think of S/MIME as a body only coverage technique. jim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org > [mailto:owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Bonatti, Chris > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:00 AM > To: jimsch@exmsft.com > Cc: rohan@ekabal.com; 'Russ Housley'; ietf-smime@imc.org > Subject: RE: Protection of header elements in an S/MIME message > > > Jim Schaad wrote: > > > > I think that we may need to revisit the issue of how S/MIME > protects > > headers. > > > > In doing some consulting for other groups in the IETF I have found > > that there are now four different groups that need a better > solution > > to this > > problem: > > > > S/MIME - uses an encapsulated message (message/rfc822) SIP > - uses an > > encapsulated message (message/sip) PGP - uses an > encapsulated message > > (message/rfc822) [I may be putting words into the PGP > working groups > > collective mouths] MASS - a new proposed working group looking at > > providing authorization information on e-mail messages - no current > solution. > > > > All of these groups would benefit if we define a standard > way to allow > > for inclusion of RFC822 headers in a message body along > with rules for > > comparision between the acutal header and the embedded header. > > > > I would recommend looking at RFC 3261 section 23.4.1 for a > description > > of how SIP handled the comparison problem between the outer > and inner > > headers. > > > > The MASS group would not be open to saying that the correct > answer is > > to have an embedded message that is promoted when found. I > don't know > > if this has been implemented by any S/MIME implemenation I would be > > surprised if it was widely > adopted. > > > > Actually, it strikes me that S/MIME, SIP and PGP have all > adopted the same solution: encapsulate what you want > protected. They've just have taken slightly different > approaches to how you deal with what's there. I'm curious as > to why MASS would not be open to this type of approach. > > It has always seemed to be that it would be easy to have a > general attribute that could contain any RFC 822 header. Of > course, you STILL have to specify how and to what extent > matching is done... which would probably have to be > application specific. > So we're right back to where we are today. > > Chris > > > > > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0CIxnHq076488; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0CIxnii076487; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:59:49 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.175.83]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id j0CIxjpt076464 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from BonattiC@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO Obsidian) (BonattiC@ieca.com@69.140.147.63 with login) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2005 18:59:46 -0000 From: "Bonatti, Chris" To: Cc: , "'Russ Housley'" , Subject: RE: Protection of header elements in an S/MIME message Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:59:45 -0500 Organization: IECA, Inc. Message-ID: <001901c4f8d8$e26cc4e0$0300a8c0@darn.ieca.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20050111222141.386AC6E8EF@smtp3.pacifier.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id j0CIxnpt076482 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Jim Schaad wrote: > > I think that we may need to revisit the issue of how S/MIME > protects headers. > > In doing some consulting for other groups in the IETF I have > found that there are now four different groups that need a > better solution to this > problem: > > S/MIME - uses an encapsulated message (message/rfc822) > SIP - uses an encapsulated message (message/sip) > PGP - uses an encapsulated message (message/rfc822) [I may be > putting words into the PGP working groups collective mouths] > MASS - a new proposed working group looking at providing > authorization information on e-mail messages - no current solution. > > All of these groups would benefit if we define a standard way > to allow for inclusion of RFC822 headers in a message body > along with rules for comparision between the acutal header > and the embedded header. > > I would recommend looking at RFC 3261 section 23.4.1 for a > description of how SIP handled the comparison problem between > the outer and inner headers. > > The MASS group would not be open to saying that the correct > answer is to have an embedded message that is promoted when > found. I don't know if this has been implemented by any > S/MIME implemenation I would be surprised if it was widely adopted. > Actually, it strikes me that S/MIME, SIP and PGP have all adopted the same solution: encapsulate what you want protected. They've just have taken slightly different approaches to how you deal with what's there. I'm curious as to why MASS would not be open to this type of approach. It has always seemed to be that it would be easy to have a general attribute that could contain any RFC 822 header. Of course, you STILL have to specify how and to what extent matching is done... which would probably have to be application specific. So we're right back to where we are today. Chris Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0BMLkYw069608; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j0BMLk5p069607; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp3.pacifier.net (smtp3.pacifier.net [64.255.237.173]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j0BMLbtx069565 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jimsch@nwlink.com) Received: from romans (ip237.132.dial-acs01.sea.iinet.com [209.20.132.237]) by smtp3.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386AC6E8EF; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:21:41 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: From: "Jim Schaad" To: Cc: , "'Russ Housley'" Subject: Protection of header elements in an S/MIME message Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 14:31:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcT4LUefZO2R6SwtTHKgG/gK2+hGsQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050111222141.386AC6E8EF@smtp3.pacifier.net> Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I think that we may need to revisit the issue of how S/MIME protects headers. In doing some consulting for other groups in the IETF I have found that there are now four different groups that need a better solution to this problem: S/MIME - uses an encapsulated message (message/rfc822) SIP - uses an encapsulated message (message/sip) PGP - uses an encapsulated message (message/rfc822) [I may be putting words into the PGP working groups collective mouths] MASS - a new proposed working group looking at providing authorization information on e-mail messages - no current solution. All of these groups would benefit if we define a standard way to allow for inclusion of RFC822 headers in a message body along with rules for comparision between the acutal header and the embedded header. I would recommend looking at RFC 3261 section 23.4.1 for a description of how SIP handled the comparison problem between the outer and inner headers. The MASS group would not be open to saying that the correct answer is to have an embedded message that is promoted when found. I don't know if this has been implemented by any S/MIME implemenation I would be surprised if it was widely adopted. Jim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j035B7Ev028917; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:11:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id j035B6Ej028915; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:11:06 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from aragorn.bbn.com (aragorn.bbn.com [128.33.0.62]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j035B5pY028813; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kseo@bbn.com) Received: from [128.89.89.115] (dhcp89-089-115.bbn.com [128.89.89.115]) by aragorn.bbn.com (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0359wjf003765; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:09:58 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kseo@po2.bbn.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 00:13:09 -0500 To: ietf-enroll@mit.edu, inch@nic.surfnet.nl, ipsec@ietf.org, ipseckey@ietf.org, ipsec-policy@vpnc.org, isms@ietf.org, kitten@lists.ietf.org, ietf-kink@vpnc.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, ietf-ltans@imc.org, mobike@machshav.com, msec@securemulticast.org, ietf-openpgp@imc.org, pki4ipsec@icsalabs.com, ietf-pkix@imc.org, ietf-sacred@imc.org, ietf-sasl@imc.org, ietf-ssh@netbsd.org, ietf-smime@imc.org, authtime@nist.gov, syslog-sec@employees.org, ietf-tls@lists.certicom.com From: Karen Seo Subject: 2005 Network and Distributed System Security Symposium (NDSS '05) Cc: kseo@bbn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1107393303==_ma============" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --============_-1107393303==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ** My apologies if you receive multiple copies of this message. ** ANNOUNCING THE INTERNET SOCIETY'S 2005 NETWORK AND DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM SECURITY SYMPOSIUM (NDSS'05) February 2, 2005 - Pre Conference Workshop February 3-4, 2005 - Symposium Catamaran Resort Hotel, San Diego, California General Chair: Eric Harder, National Security Agency Program co-Chairs: Dan Simon, Microsoft Research Dan Boneh, Stanford University ONLINE INFORMATION AND REGISTRATION: http://www.isoc.org/ndss05/ The 12th annual NDSS Symposium brings together innovative and forward thinking members of the Internet community including leading edge security researchers and implementers, globally recognized security technology experts, and users from both the private and public sectors who design, develop, exploit, and deploy the technologies that define network and distributed system security. 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               ANNOUNCING THE INTERNET SOCIETY'S
2005 NETWORK AND DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM SECURITY SYMPOSIUM (NDSS'05)

February 2, 2005 - Pre Conference Workshop
February 3-4, 2005 - Symposium
Catamaran Resort Hotel, San Diego, California
General Chair:  Eric Harder, National Security Agency
Program co-Chairs: Dan Simon, Microsoft Research
                   Dan Boneh, Stanford University

ONLINE INFORMATION AND REGISTRATION: http://www.isoc.org/ndss05/

    The 12th annual NDSS Symposium brings together innovative and
    forward thinking members of the Internet community including
    leading edge security researchers and implementers, globally
    recognized security technology experts, and users from both
    the private and public sectors who design, develop, exploit,
    and deploy the technologies that define network and distributed
    system security.

    NDSS'05 provides a balanced mix of technical papers (with a
    strong emphasis on implementation) that cover new and practical
    approaches to security problems that are endemic to network and
    distributed systems. 

THIS YEAR'S TOPICS INCLUDE:
     * Cryptography in Network Security
      * Denial of Service Attacks,
    * Peer to Peer Approaches
       * Internet Defense
      * Intrusion Detection
   * Platform Security.
FEATURED GUEST SPEAKER:
        * Amit Yoran, who was responsible for coordinating cyber-security
          activities for Homeland Security, will speak on "Security
          Challenges and Opportunities of the Future Enterprise"

PRE CONFERENCE WORKSHOP TOPICS INCLUDE:
* Security in handling mobility on the internet
        * Security in wireless LANs
     * Security for telephony or voice over IP
       * Trust relations in ad hoc networks
    * Key management strategies to support mobility
        * Security in RFID.
     More information is available at:
        http://www.isoc.org/isoc/conferences/ndss/05/workshop.shtml
     Parties interested in submitting papers should see the above
        web page for directions

REGISTER EARLY FOR BEST PRICING
     Registration for NDSS'05 is now open. Student rates are available
     for both the workshop and symposium. See the web site for more
     information -- http://www.isoc.org/ndss05/  Registration fees:
        *  November 31, 2004-January 10, 2005   $625.
        *  After January 10, 2005               $695.

SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE!
     If your organization would like to help support NDSS and gain
     visibility through sponsoring, please contact:
     sponsor-ndss@isoc.org.  Information is also available at   
     http://www.isoc.org/ndss05/


Karen Seo
NDSS'05 Publicity Chair
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