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We also applied the naming conventions from the DOMSEC draft of the time to ensure that we had consistent naming conventions in our certificates. - There was not a great deal of vendor enthusiasm for updating their products to enable us to upgrade our interoperability spec to use either draft or experimental technical specifications because of the potential for such specifications to be 'moving goalposts'. There were suggestions that the relevant product managers would consider support for something that was deemed 'standard' in their products. To state the obvious it would have been ideal if all S/MIME gateway products were able to interoperate 'out-of-the-box' and thereby reduce our necessary testing to compliance with our business rules rather than with technical specifications and our business rules. 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This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification Author(s) : B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2004-2-17 S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) provides a consistent way to send and receive secure MIME data. Based on the popular Internet MIME standard, S/MIME provides the following cryptographic security services for electronic messaging applications: authentication, message integrity and non-repudiation of origin (using digital signatures) and data confidentiality (using encryption). S/MIME can be used by traditional mail user agents (MUAs) to add cryptographic security services to mail that is sent, and to interpret cryptographic security services in mail that is received. However, S/MIME is not restricted to mail; it can be used with any transport mechanism that transports MIME data, such as HTTP. As such, S/MIME takes advantage of the object-based features of MIME and allows secure messages to be exchanged in mixed-transport systems. Further, S/MIME can be used in automated message transfer agents that use cryptographic security services that do not require any human intervention, such as the signing of software-generated documents and the encryption of FAX messages sent over the Internet. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-2-17104337.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-2-17104337.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 17 11:10:29 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11012 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1HFb39c084233; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1HFb3aB084232; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:37:03 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1HFb2dW084226 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:37:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05802; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200402171537.KAA05802@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:37:00 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling Author(s) : B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2004-2-17 S/MIME (Secure/Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions), described in [SMIME-MSG], provides a method to send and receive secure MIME messages. Before using a public key to provide security services, the S/MIME agent MUST certify that the public key is valid. S/MIME agents MUST use PKIX certificates to validate public keys as described in the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure (PKIX) Certificate and CRL Profile [KEYM]. S/MIME agents MUST meet the certificate processing requirements documented in this document in addition to those stated in [KEYM]. This specification is compatible with the Cryptographic Message Syntax [CMS] in that it uses the data types defined by CMS. It also inherits all the varieties of architectures for certificate-based key management supported by CMS. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-2-17104307.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2004-2-17104307.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 17 12:12:27 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA18285 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1HGqm8X089219; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:52:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1HGqmv6089217; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i1HGqkav089205 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:52:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 14959 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2004 16:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (138.88.133.79) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2004 16:52:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040217114540.03c11248@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:52:34 -0500 To: ietf-pkix@imc.org, ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: draft-ietf-pkix-rfc2510bis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Please excuse the posting to two mail lists. Some people will get this message twice, but I believe this issue is relevant to both the PKIX and the S/MIME working groups/ The IESG is considering draft-ietf-pkix-rfc2510bis, and an issue has surfaced regarding appendix D.2. Should we really be issuing new crypto RFCs that don't mandate AES? In my opinion, AES ought to be listed as a MUST or a SHOULD+. By SHOULD+ I mean the same as SHOULD; however, it is likely that the algorithm will be promoted at some future time to be a MUST. Similarly, I think that 3DES ought to be a MUST- or a SHOULD. Further, I believe that PKIX and S/MIME ought to offer compatible algorithm recommendations. Russ From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Wed Feb 18 10:40:28 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22482 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1IF4eD2051997; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1IF4e4G051996; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:04:40 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1IF4YxN051978 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dinaras@cnri.reston.va.us) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA16835; Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:04:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200402181504.KAA16835@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: ietf-smime@imc.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-smime-gost-01.txt Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:04:31 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the S/MIME Mail Security Working Group of the IETF. Title : Using the GOST 28147-89, GOST R 34.11-94, GOST R 34.10-94 and GOST R 34.10-2001 algorithms with the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS) Author(s) : S. Leontiev Filename : draft-ietf-smime-gost-01.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2004-2-18 This document describes the conventions for using cryptographic algorithms GOST 28147-89, GOST R 34.10-94, GOST R 34.10-2001, GOST R 34.11-94, along with Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS). The CMS is used for digital signature, digest, authentication and encryption arbitrary message contents. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-gost-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-smime-gost-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-gost-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. 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Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | Brute Squad Labs | http://www.brutesquadlabs.com From owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Tue Feb 24 17:56:33 2004 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15141 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1OMQ3KI078202; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:26:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1OMQ3p4078201; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from stingray.missi.ncsc.mil (stingray.missi.ncsc.mil [144.51.50.20]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1OMQ23k078194 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpkemp@missi.ncsc.mil) Message-ID: <200402242159.i1OLxotW027670@stingray.missi.ncsc.mil> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:25:59 -0500 From: "David P. Kemp" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blake Ramsdell CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blake, Thanks for clarifying the requirement to support certificates without email addresses. Comments: 1. Section 2.3 para 4: "Agents MAY send CA certificates, that is, certificates that are self-signed and can be considered the "root" of other chains." This incorrectly implies that the only kind of CA cert is the self-signed kind. Suggest "Agents MAY send CA certificates that are self-signed and ..." 2. Section 4.4 paragraph 2: Why must sending and receiving agents correctly handle the listed extensions only when they appear in end-entity certificates? Suggest that sending and receiving agents MUST correctly (i.e. in accordance with RFC 3280) handle the basic constraints, key usage, AKI, SKI, and SAN extensions in end-entity *and CA* certificates. 3. Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end entity certificates." In order to avoid inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end entity certificates." In other words, a sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA certificate. Dave Blake Ramsdell wrote: > This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: > > Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling > Author(s) : B. Ramsdell > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2004-2-17 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt > > The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has > achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a > Proposed Standard. > > Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. > Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may > be sent to the document editor. > > The Last Call period will end on Monday, March 8, 2004. > > Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based > upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > that the document, after possible editorial or > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > for publication as a Standard Track RFC > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > addressed prior to further action (including, > possibly, another WG Last Call). > > Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to > ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards > process. 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----ALT--TDQK89942822059245-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i217ejGM032071; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i217ejpn032068; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:40:45 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i217eiXY032045 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:40:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 22075 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2004 07:37:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (218.37.227.193) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 07:37:21 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040301023919.03e628a8@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 02:40:38 -0500 To: blake@brutesquadlabs.com, ietf-smime@imc.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Fwd: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Ooops. Please excuse the typo in #3. It should read: 3. Section 1.4: s/MD2 use for certificate signatures discouraged/The use of the MD2 message digest for certificate signatures is discouraged/ Russ >Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:45:49 -0500 >To: "Blake Ramsdell" , >From: Russ Housley >Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt > >I have six comments. None of them are show stoppers. > >1. Section 1,1, 1st sentence: s/draft/document/ > >2. Should Section 1,2 reference RFC 3369? > >3. Section 1.4: s/MD2 use for certificate signatures discouraged/The use >of the MD5 message digest for certificate signatures is discouraged/ > >4. Delete Section 1.5 before submitting the document to the IESG. > >5. Section 4.4.2 include the following paragraph: > > If the key usage extension is not specified, receiving clients MUST > presume that the digitalSignature and nonRepudiation bits are set. > >Should there be an 'only' in this sentence? > >6. Section 4.4.4, 2nd paragraph, last sentence. Add a period. > >Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i215GQlL087936; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:16:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i215GP8N087935; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:16:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i215GOL7087929 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:16:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 24615 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2004 05:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (218.37.227.193) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 05:13:11 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040229235313.01f8f318@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:16:27 -0500 To: "Blake Ramsdell" , From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hare are seven comments. I think number 6 is the most significant one, but none of them are show stoppers. 1. Should Section 1.4 reference RFC 3369? 2. Delete section 1.6 before the document is sent to the IESG. 3. Section 2.4 probably should point out that ContentInfo is needed to encapsulate each of the protection content types. 4. What compression algorithm MUST be implemented if CompressedData is supported? 5. Section 2.5.2: s/SMIMECapabilities attribute should/SMIMECapabilities attribute SHOULD/ 6. Section 2.6: the first two paragraphs are not clear. S/MIME v3.1 MUST support both issuerAndSerialNumber and subjectKeyIdentifier for sending and receiving. 7. Section 3.4.3.2: s/not currently supported in S/MIME/not currently recommended in S/MIME/ Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i214jngA086558; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i214jnX0086556; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:45:49 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [144.202.240.3]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i214jmhp086550 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:45:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@vigilsec.com) Received: (qmail 18396 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2004 04:42:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Russ-Laptop.vigilsec.com) (218.37.227.193) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2004 04:42:34 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20040229232208.03e787f0@mail.binhost.com> X-Sender: housley@mail.binhost.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:45:49 -0500 To: "Blake Ramsdell" , From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: I have six comments. None of them are show stoppers. 1. Section 1,1, 1st sentence: s/draft/document/ 2. Should Section 1,2 reference RFC 3369? 3. Section 1.4: s/MD2 use for certificate signatures discouraged/The use of the MD5 message digest for certificate signatures is discouraged/ 4. Delete Section 1.5 before submitting the document to the IESG. 5. Section 4.4.2 include the following paragraph: If the key usage extension is not specified, receiving clients MUST presume that the digitalSignature and nonRepudiation bits are set. Should there be an 'only' in this sentence? 6. Section 4.4.4, 2nd paragraph, last sentence. Add a period. Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1OMQ3KI078202; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:26:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1OMQ3p4078201; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from stingray.missi.ncsc.mil (stingray.missi.ncsc.mil [144.51.50.20]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1OMQ23k078194 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpkemp@missi.ncsc.mil) Message-ID: <200402242159.i1OLxotW027670@stingray.missi.ncsc.mil> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:25:59 -0500 From: "David P. Kemp" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blake Ramsdell CC: ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Blake, Thanks for clarifying the requirement to support certificates without email addresses. Comments: 1. Section 2.3 para 4: "Agents MAY send CA certificates, that is, certificates that are self-signed and can be considered the "root" of other chains." This incorrectly implies that the only kind of CA cert is the self-signed kind. Suggest "Agents MAY send CA certificates that are self-signed and ..." 2. Section 4.4 paragraph 2: Why must sending and receiving agents correctly handle the listed extensions only when they appear in end-entity certificates? Suggest that sending and receiving agents MUST correctly (i.e. in accordance with RFC 3280) handle the basic constraints, key usage, AKI, SKI, and SAN extensions in end-entity *and CA* certificates. 3. Section 4.4.1 paragraph 3: "Certificates SHOULD contain a basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end entity certificates." In order to avoid inconsistency with PKIX, change to "Certificates MUST contain a basicConstraints extension in CA certificates and SHOULD NOT contain that extension in end entity certificates." In other words, a sending and receiving agent is non-compliant if it accepts a v3 certificate without the basicConstraints extension as a CA certificate. Dave Blake Ramsdell wrote: > This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: > > Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling > Author(s) : B. Ramsdell > Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt > Pages : 13 > Date : 2004-2-17 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt > > The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has > achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a > Proposed Standard. > > Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. > Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may > be sent to the document editor. > > The Last Call period will end on Monday, March 8, 2004. > > Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based > upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: > > 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors > that the document, after possible editorial or > other minor changes, be considered by the IESG > for publication as a Standard Track RFC > (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or > > 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately > addressed prior to further action (including, > possibly, another WG Last Call). > > Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to > ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards > process. So, please read and comment! > > Blake > -- > Blake Ramsdell | Brute Squad Labs | http://www.brutesquadlabs.com > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1N1VDte051982; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:31:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1N1VDPr051981; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:31:13 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1N1VARC051973 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:31:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:31:11 -0800 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:31:11 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Certificate Handling Author(s) : B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2004-2-17 A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2632bis-05.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on Monday, March 8, 2004. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as a Standard Track RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | Brute Squad Labs | http://www.brutesquadlabs.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1N1RS6g051835; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:27:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1N1RSSt051834; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:27:28 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from brutesquadlabs.com (gtec136-m.isomedia.com [207.115.67.136] (may be forged)) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1N1RPMq051824 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blake@brutesquadlabs.com) Received: from DEXTER ([192.168.0.6]) by brutesquadlabs.com with ESMTP ; Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:27:25 -0800 From: "Blake Ramsdell" To: Subject: WG LAST CALL: draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:27:25 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message initiates an SMIME Working Group Last Call on the document: Title : S/MIME Version 3.1 Message Specification Author(s) : B. Ramsdell Filename : draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2004-2-17 A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-smime-rfc2633bis-07.txt The purpose of this WG Last Call is to ensure that the Working Group has achieved consensus that the document is suitable for publication as a Proposed Standard. Please review the document for both technical and editorial problems. Technical issues should be discussed on this list. Editorial issues may be sent to the document editor. The Last Call period will end on Monday, March 8, 2004. Upon completion of the last call, the WG chairs will take action based upon the consensus of the WG. Possible actions include: 1) recommending to the IETF Security Area Directors that the document, after possible editorial or other minor changes, be considered by the IESG for publication as a Standard Track RFC (which generally involves an IETF-wide Last Call); or 2) requiring that outstanding issues be adequately addressed prior to further action (including, possibly, another WG Last Call). Remember that it is our responsibility as Working Group members to ensure the quality of our documents and of the Internet Standards process. So, please read and comment! Blake -- Blake Ramsdell | Brute Squad Labs | http://www.brutesquadlabs.com Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1C4lRgH020023; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:47:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i1C4lRvG020022; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:47:27 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz ([202.36.173.38]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i1C4jPgg019893 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Craig.McGregor@treasury.govt.nz) Received: from juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz (Not Verified[172.20.2.43]) by fledermaus.treasury.govt.nz with Non-Descript e-mail server id ; Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:40:43 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Using S/MIME for Domain to Domain Security - experience from a real world deployment X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 17:42:12 +1300 Message-ID: <14270A31340CCF46A050FEC25B8F50A00693F0A4@juliet.hamlet.treasury.govt.nz> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Using S/MIME for Domain to Domain Security - experience from a real world deployment Thread-Index: AcPgMxR4QhthgT4WSqqt39NlzBet/QP6s7JQ From: "Craig McGregor" To: Cc: "Russ Housley" , "Ben Littauer" content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id i1C4kBgg019926 Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Part 1: The Test Lab (October 2000) =================================== After receiving responses from an RFP, three vendors claimed that they could supply a solution using S/MIME gateway products. We created a test-lab (October 2000) to test the interoperability between these three S/MIME gateway products. Typically these products were e-mail content filters with S/MIME add-ons - although content filtering was not part of our requirements. Achieving interoperability was a more challenging task than we first envisaged. We relatively quickly got to a stage where we were able to achieve one way interoperability between products - We had a scenario similar to: Product A could send to Product B but not to Product C Product A could receive from Product C but not from Product B Product B could send to Product C but not to Product A Product B could receive from Product A but not from Product C Product C could send to Product A but not to Product B Product C could receive from Product B but not from Product A Obviously the fact that although each product used S/MIME there had not been much interoperability testing with other products. It was clear that each product was implemented very differently for how they identified domain secured e-mail. One product implemented a very early draft of what is now RFC3183, another relied on a custom X-Header line and the other implemented manually configured matching. There were also some issues even with the S/MIME implementations interoperating as well. E.g. When certain elements of s/mime messages were DER encoded rather than BER encoded would cause one product to fail - but not the others... We were eventually able to get each product interoperating after some testing of why products didn't like each other and a combination of vendor provided work-arounds, patches and upgrades to their software. - All three products were able to deal with manually configured groups of domains for gateway to gateway S/MIME interoperation - Interoperability was only achievable by using a lowest common denominator approach of S/MIME v2. We also applied the naming conventions from the DOMSEC draft of the time to ensure that we had consistent naming conventions in our certificates. - There was not a great deal of vendor enthusiasm for updating their products to enable us to upgrade our interoperability spec to use either draft or experimental technical specifications because of the potential for such specifications to be 'moving goalposts'. There were suggestions that the relevant product managers would consider support for something that was deemed 'standard' in their products. To state the obvious it would have been ideal if all S/MIME gateway products were able to interoperate 'out-of-the-box' and thereby reduce our necessary testing to compliance with our business rules rather than with technical specifications and our business rules. Part 2: A pilot group and a small community of participating domains (Nov 2000 - Early 2001) ======================================================================== ===================== We started with a pilot between three central government agencies - The Treasury, The State Services Commission and Parliament. This pilot involved a manual exchange of certificates between the gateways and was highly successful. End users no longer needed to manage certificates, or, choose whether to secure a message - it just happened for them. We had now secured internet e-mail communications between more users than was possible during our previous (failed) pilot of desktop-to-desktop e-mail security. Other government agencies joined our secure e-mail community. It had now become the standard way of securing e-mail between public-sector agencies. As more and more agencies joined the use of manual certificate exchanges were becoming burdensome in the opinion of system administrators at some government agencies. We found that manually implemented key management was prone to errors because system administrators key management operations were not performed regularly - once a year for your own domain and a few times a year for the different expiry dates on the other domains. Similarly, keys seemed to expire at inconvenient times (such as when system administrator was away) and cause e-mail disruptions. There is a potential paradox between e-mail being high availability and PKI being "failsafe" for high security (therefore stopping if something is wrong). Part 3: Managing a large community of participating domains (2002-2004) ======================================================================= A. SMARTS (S.E.E. Mail Automated Reference Test Server) Misconfiguration of S/MIME gateways in participating domains can cause delivery of e-mail to other participating domains if such misconfiguration does not conform to the business rules, and thus an e-mail alert would be sent to the end user. E.g. a Postmaster Non-Delivery notification is not signed and encrypted by a participating domain, then the recipient of another participating domain will get an e-mail to say the e-mail (the NDR) was received insecurely. To counter problems created from configuration errors of S/MIME gateways we setup a test server that works by exchanging e-mail with an administrator from a participating domain. This test suite of e-mails contains tests for our business rules and any exceptions that we have found to cause problems over time. An administrator from a participating domain is therefore able to test that they correctly process e-mail as per the business rules whenever they make configuration changes to their networks. The SMARTS server tests for compliance with our business rules rather than interoperability which is proven before upgrades or new products are included in our S.E.E. Mail community. B. Key Management As the size of a 'community' that secures their e-mail communications grows, the likelihood of poor key management occurring and having a negative impact on the system increases. Using server-side software, rather than interactive client software means that choices cannot be made interactively at the time if there is a problem with a certificate (e.g. expired, revoked). Some automation is required in order to take some action - you cannot put a prompt on the screen and expect a user to do something about it! To correct this we have required changes to the products used in S.E.E. Mail to be able to use an LDAP directory for two purposes: - To obtain the current membership list of the S.E.E. Mail community. (i.e. which domains need S/MIME gateway signing/encryption/decryption applied) - To obtain the current certificates for members of the S.E.E. Mail community (e.g. a certificate becomes invalid, new member) Where to from here? =================== When comparing our real world deployment against the specifications contained in RFC3183 there would appear to be a number potential areas for simplification of RFC3183, or, possibly an opportunity for a completely new rewrite that is a simpler Informational or Standards track RFC along the lines "Securing e-mail between domains using S/MIMEv3.1". For more information on the S.E.E. Mail project please refer to http://e.govt.nz/see/mail/ You may also be interested in a similar project by the Massachusetts Health Data Consortium http://www.mahealthdata.org/initiatives/e-mail/. Although I have not had any involvement in this project, the documentation contained on their website shows very similar findings to the S.E.E. Mail project. -----Original Message----- From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2004 4:26 a.m. To: Craig McGregor; ietf-smime@imc.org Subject: Re: Status of RFC3183: Domain Security Services using S/MIME If there is sufficient experience from deployments such as yours, then I would not be opposed to expending the charter of the S/MIME WG to progress the DOMSEC document from Experimental to the Standards Track. Of course, people with the lessons learned from such deployments must be willing to participate in the discussions. Russ Received: from above.proper.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i14Hwn1M068752; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:58:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id i14Hwnou068751; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:58:49 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.175.83]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with SMTP id i14HwjeN068728 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from turners@ieca.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ieca.com) (turners@ieca.com@141.156.178.221 with plain) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2004 17:58:51 -0000 Message-ID: <4021310D.8090602@ieca.com> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:51:09 -0500 From: "Sean P. Turner" Organization: IECA, Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SMIME Subject: 59th IETF Agenda Topics Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-smime@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: All,

Here's a suggested Agenda. Anyone have anything they'd like to add?

Introductions (Sean Turner)
Working group status (Sean Turner)
CMS and ESS examples update (Paul Hoffman)
MSGbis and CERTbis update (Sean Turner)
KEM status (?)
GOST status (?)
SEED Update (Jongwook Park)

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