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Thanks

Partha

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Volker Hilt , sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 16:12:29 -0000 I'd also be interested in attending this meeting (either formal or informal= ) -Victor On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Parthasarathi R (partr) w= rote: > Hi Volker, > > Could you please let me know=C2=A0any SIP overload working group meeting = is > planned in the forthcoming IETF-78 meeting. > > Thanks > Partha > _______________________________________________ > sip-overload mailing list > sip-overload@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload > > --=20 Victor Pascual =C3=81vila From volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com Thu May 6 17:49:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECB13A67A3 for ; 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Thu, 6 May 2010 19:49:38 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (135.3.63.241) by USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (135.3.39.110) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.213.0; Thu, 6 May 2010 19:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <4BE36394.2040007@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:49:24 -0400 From: Volker Hilt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Pascual Avila References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.39 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.9 Cc: "sip-overload@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 00:49:55 -0000 Victor, Partha, I believe it would be useful to meet at IETF-78. Once we have an approved WG we can apply for a slot at the meeting. Of course, all this is still subject for approval. Thanks, Volker Victor Pascual Avila wrote: > I'd also be interested in attending this meeting (either formal or informal) > > -Victor > > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Parthasarathi R (partr) wrote: >> Hi Volker, >> >> Could you please let me know any SIP overload working group meeting is >> planned in the forthcoming IETF-78 meeting. >> >> Thanks >> Partha >> _______________________________________________ >> sip-overload mailing list >> sip-overload@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload >> >> > > > From en5192@att.com Fri May 7 05:54:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E183A6AC1 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TO500pmOhqy7 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail161.messagelabs.com (mail161.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3303A6A1C for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 05:54:18 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: en5192@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-161.messagelabs.com!1273236844!26719054!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.146] Received: (qmail 12762 invoked from network); 7 May 2010 12:54:05 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.146) by server-13.tower-161.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 May 2010 12:54:05 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o47CrlnN001248; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:53:47 -0400 Received: from misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com (misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com [144.155.43.104]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o47CrgVG001187; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:53:42 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 08:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: <5DA01D2CA74FAF40ADF71DB4177D345A057C659A@misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE36394.2040007@alcatel-lucent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload Thread-Index: AcrtfzE7zwRnKg6ISU25Xp3Ru8llZgAY5HIA References: <4BE36394.2040007@alcatel-lucent.com> From: "NOEL, ERIC C (ATTLABS)" To: "Volker Hilt" , "Victor Pascual Avila" Cc: sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 12:54:19 -0000 Volker, Some of us (at least me), do not have the possibility to attend the IETF-78, but yet would like to contribute to the work. Would someone take meeting minutes and share with whole team? Or even better, could you setup a conference bridge to maximize participation of remote team members? Thanks, Eric -----Original Message----- From: sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Volker Hilt Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:49 PM To: Victor Pascual Avila Cc: sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload Victor, Partha, I believe it would be useful to meet at IETF-78. Once we have an=20 approved WG we can apply for a slot at the meeting. Of course, all this=20 is still subject for approval. Thanks, Volker Victor Pascual Avila wrote: > I'd also be interested in attending this meeting (either formal or informal) >=20 > -Victor >=20 > On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Parthasarathi R (partr) wrote: >> Hi Volker, >> >> Could you please let me know any SIP overload working group meeting is >> planned in the forthcoming IETF-78 meeting. >> >> Thanks >> Partha >> _______________________________________________ >> sip-overload mailing list >> sip-overload@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload >> >> >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ sip-overload mailing list sip-overload@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload From volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com Fri May 7 06:12:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20EA3A6B57 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.316 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.316 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.283, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6yQHox5u9VJD for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4ACC3A6B4A for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.11]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id o47DBdON001012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 7 May 2010 08:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.110]) by usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id o47DBd0k006202; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:11:39 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (135.3.63.242) by USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (135.3.39.110) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.213.0; Fri, 7 May 2010 08:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: <4BE4117E.80209@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:11:26 -0400 From: Volker Hilt User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "NOEL, ERIC C (ATTLABS)" References: <4BE36394.2040007@alcatel-lucent.com> <5DA01D2CA74FAF40ADF71DB4177D345A057C659A@misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com> In-Reply-To: <5DA01D2CA74FAF40ADF71DB4177D345A057C659A@misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.11 Cc: "sip-overload@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:12:10 -0000 Eric, You may want to check out the IETF web site including http://www.ietf.org/tao.html for information and procedures. It is certainly possible to contribute without attending a meeting. Thanks, Volker NOEL, ERIC C (ATTLABS) wrote: > Volker, > > Some of us (at least me), do not have the possibility to attend the > IETF-78, but yet would like to contribute to the work. Would someone > take meeting minutes and share with whole team? Or even better, could > you setup a conference bridge to maximize participation of remote team > members? > > Thanks, > > Eric > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Volker Hilt > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:49 PM > To: Victor Pascual Avila > Cc: sip-overload@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for > sip-overload > > Victor, Partha, > > I believe it would be useful to meet at IETF-78. Once we have an > approved WG we can apply for a slot at the meeting. Of course, all this > is still subject for approval. > > Thanks, > > Volker > > > Victor Pascual Avila wrote: >> I'd also be interested in attending this meeting (either formal or > informal) >> -Victor >> >> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Parthasarathi R (partr) > wrote: >>> Hi Volker, >>> >>> Could you please let me know any SIP overload working group meeting > is >>> planned in the forthcoming IETF-78 meeting. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Partha >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sip-overload mailing list >>> sip-overload@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload >>> >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > sip-overload mailing list > sip-overload@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload > _______________________________________________ > sip-overload mailing list > sip-overload@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload From en5192@att.com Fri May 7 06:24:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7E33A6A91 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.134 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.134 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.465, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RCwk1p8jv7gz for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDD13A6B33 for ; Fri, 7 May 2010 06:23:20 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: en5192@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1273238584!30786444!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.146] Received: (qmail 1367 invoked from network); 7 May 2010 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp7.sbc.com (HELO mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.146) by server-4.tower-121.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 May 2010 13:23:07 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o47DMl2H002903; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:22:48 -0400 Received: from misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com (misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com [144.155.43.104]) by mlpd194.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o47DMiAd002891; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:22:44 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 09:21:11 -0400 Message-ID: <5DA01D2CA74FAF40ADF71DB4177D345A057C65F1@misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4BE4117E.80209@alcatel-lucent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload Thread-Index: Acrt5tw3Oa+vwOR+R12L3rhQPYlMyQAAUkRQ References: <4BE36394.2040007@alcatel-lucent.com> <5DA01D2CA74FAF40ADF71DB4177D345A057C659A@misout7msgusr7b.ugd.att.com> <4BE4117E.80209@alcatel-lucent.com> From: "NOEL, ERIC C (ATTLABS)" To: "Volker Hilt" Cc: sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 13:24:11 -0000 Thanks, Eric -----Original Message----- From: Volker Hilt [mailto:volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com]=20 Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:11 AM To: NOEL, ERIC C (ATTLABS) Cc: Victor Pascual Avila; sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for sip-overload Eric, You may want to check out the IETF web site including=20 http://www.ietf.org/tao.html for information and procedures. It is=20 certainly possible to contribute without attending a meeting. Thanks, Volker NOEL, ERIC C (ATTLABS) wrote: > Volker, >=20 > Some of us (at least me), do not have the possibility to attend the > IETF-78, but yet would like to contribute to the work. Would someone > take meeting minutes and share with whole team? Or even better, could > you setup a conference bridge to maximize participation of remote team > members? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Eric >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Volker Hilt > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:49 PM > To: Victor Pascual Avila > Cc: sip-overload@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sip-overload] IETF-78 Working group meeting for > sip-overload >=20 > Victor, Partha, >=20 > I believe it would be useful to meet at IETF-78. Once we have an=20 > approved WG we can apply for a slot at the meeting. Of course, all this=20 > is still subject for approval. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Volker >=20 >=20 > Victor Pascual Avila wrote: >> I'd also be interested in attending this meeting (either formal or > informal) >> -Victor >> >> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Parthasarathi R (partr) > wrote: >>> Hi Volker, >>> >>> Could you please let me know any SIP overload working group meeting > is >>> planned in the forthcoming IETF-78 meeting. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Partha >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sip-overload mailing list >>> sip-overload@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload >>> >>> >> >> >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sip-overload mailing list > sip-overload@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload > _______________________________________________ > sip-overload mailing list > sip-overload@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload From wwwrun@core3.amsl.com Tue May 11 14:40:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@ietf.org Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 087F43A68F3; Tue, 11 May 2010 14:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100511214028.087F43A68F3@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 14:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com, sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: [sip-overload] WG Action: SIP Overload Control (soc) X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:40:28 -0000 A new IETF working group has been formed in the Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. SIP Overload Control (soc) --------------------------- Current Status: Active Working Group Last Modified: 2010-05-06 Chair(s) Volker Hilt Salvatore Loreto Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Directors: Gonzalo Camarillo Robert Sparks Real-time Applications and Infrastructure Area Advisor: Robert Sparks Mailing Lists: General Discussion: sip-overload@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sip-overload/ Description of Working Group: As with any network element, a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) server can suffer from overload when the number of SIP messages it receives exceeds the number of messages it can process. Overload is said to occur when a SIP server does not have sufficient resources to complete the processing of all incoming SIP messages within the required time. These resources can include CPU, memory, network bandwidth, input/ output, or disk resources. Overload can pose a serious problem for a network of SIP servers. During periods of overload, a network of SIP servers can be significantly degraded with regard to "goodput" (effective application throughput, not counting the overhead of retransmission and redundant data). In fact, overload may lead to a situation in which the goodput drops down to zero or a small fraction of the original processing capacity. The objective of a SIP overload control mechanism is to enable SIP servers to operate close to their capacity limit during times of overload. The SIP protocol provides a limited mechanism for overload control through its 503 (Service Unavailable) response code and the Retry-After header. However, this mechanism cannot fully prevent overload of a SIP server and it cannot prevent congestion collapse. In fact, its on/off behavior may cause traffic to oscillate and shift between SIP servers and thereby worsen an overload condition. A detailed discussion of the SIP overload problem, the problems with the 503 (Service Unavailable) response code and the Retry-After header and the requirements for a SIP overload control mechanism can be found in RFC5390. The objective of the working group is to develop mechanisms for SIP overload control. The problem domain of SIP overload control can be split into overload control between a user agent and a SIP server and overload control between SIP servers. Any specification developed by the working group needs to clearly specify its scope. A specification also needs to clearly state any limitations, in performance or otherwise, the specified overload control mechanism may have. In particular, the working group shall carefully define the deployment considerations for the effective operation of the specified mechanisms and discuss, for example, when a mechanism requires coordinated deployment and operation (if all servers need to deploy the same mechanism, certain configuration values need to be identical on all servers, etc), when a mechanism can become less effective or ineffective under some conditions, or especially if there are cases when a mechanism can reduce goodput compared to no overload protection. The intent of these considerations is to allow potential deployers to make the best use of these mechanism in their particular networks. The working group will consider two complementary approaches for handling overload situations: - The first mechanism aims at preventing overload in SIP servers by adjusting the incoming load to a level that is acceptable for this server. This mechanism uses implicit and/or explicit feedback to determine when an overload condition occurs in a SIP server and a reduction in load is required. - The second mechanism aims at preventing overload in SIP servers by distributing load control filters to SIP servers that throttle calls based on their source or destination domain, telephone number prefix or for a specific user. Such filters can be used, for example, to throttle calls to a hotline during a ticket-giveaway event. The working group will develop the following deliverables: 1. A document describing key design considerations for a SIP overload control mechanism. 2. A specification for an SIP overload control mechanism based on implicit/explicit feedback. 3. A specification for a SIP load filtering mechanism. Milestones: Sep 2010 Design Considerations to IESG for publication as Informational Dec 2010 Specification for a SIP overload control mechanism based on implicit/explicit feedback to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard May 2011 Specification for a SIP load filtering mechaism to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard From salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com Wed May 12 23:22:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F2B3A6A5D for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 23:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.802, BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DnowWkeCPKar for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 23:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC163A6A62 for ; Wed, 12 May 2010 23:20:27 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7c85ae000005565-9f-4beb9a208b6e Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 03.AB.21861.02A9BEB4; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:20:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 May 2010 08:20:16 +0200 Received: from mail.lmf.ericsson.se ([131.160.11.50]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 May 2010 08:20:15 +0200 Received: from nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se [131.160.33.3]) by mail.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A530A245A; Thu, 13 May 2010 09:20:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5DF4F6F1; Thu, 13 May 2010 09:20:15 +0300 (EEST) Received: from cs78166197.pp.htv.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078CF4F333; Thu, 13 May 2010 09:20:14 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BEB9A1E.6020808@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:20:14 +0300 From: Salvatore Loreto User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sip-overload@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020607040604010609010804" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2010 06:20:15.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A537230:01CAF264] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Volker Hilt , Gonzalo Camarillo , Robert Sparks Subject: [sip-overload] kick off X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:22:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020607040604010609010804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG! The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area Advisor Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the objectives defined in our charter: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session at IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot. We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call (WebEx) in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post more about that soon). Let's get to work! :) Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt co-chairs -- Salvatore Loreto www.sloreto.com --------------020607040604010609010804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG!

The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area Advisor
Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the
objectives defined in our charter:

http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html


Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session at
IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot.

We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call (WebEx) 
in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post more about that soon).

Let's get to work! :)

Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt
co-chairs

-- 
Salvatore Loreto
www.sloreto.com

--------------020607040604010609010804-- From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Thu May 13 07:02:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77543A6B2A for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.243 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.243 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.355, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RMBmvcRVoGfj for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E60E3A6829 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.7) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Thu, 13 May 2010 10:02:26 -0400 Received: from mail.acmepacket.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail ([127.0.0.1]) with mapi; Thu, 13 May 2010 10:02:26 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: Salvatore Loreto , "sip-overload@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:02:20 -0400 Thread-Topic: [sip-overload] kick off Thread-Index: AcryZKbOVgXpeGSwRzu2NWO4idI3vwAP8wIw Message-ID: <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4F@mail> References: <4BEB9A1E.6020808@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4BEB9A1E.6020808@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4Fmail_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Volker Hilt , Gonzalo Camarillo , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [sip-overload] kick off X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:02:41 -0000 --_000_430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4Fmail_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, Given the aggressive timeframes of the charter, and the number of folks on = the DISPATCH mailing list who said they intend to submit new drafts, I sugg= est you ask for a 2-hour slot in Maastricht. My guess is you can always give back time, but it's harder to ask for more = time after the scheduling is done. (though the A-Ds should chime in on that= ) -hadriel ________________________________ From: sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Salvatore Loreto Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:20 AM To: sip-overload@ietf.org Cc: Volker Hilt; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks Subject: [sip-overload] kick off Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG! The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area Advisor Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the objectives defined in our charter: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session at IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot. We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call (WebE= x) in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post more a= bout that soon). Let's get to work! :) Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt co-chairs -- Salvatore Loreto www.sloreto.com --_000_430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4Fmail_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Howdy,

Given the aggressive timeframes of the charter, and the number of folks on the DISPATCH mailing list who said they= intend to submit new drafts, I suggest you ask for a 2-hour slot in Maastricht.

My guess is you can always give back t= ime, but it’s harder to ask for more time after the scheduling is done. (t= hough the A-Ds should chime in on that)

-hadriel

From: sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Salvatore Loreto
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010= 2:20 AM
To: sip-overload@ietf.org Cc: Volker Hilt; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks
Subject: [sip-overload] kick= off

Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG!

The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area Adviso=
r

Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the

objectives defined in our charter:

http://www.ie=
tf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html

Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session at

IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot.

We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call (We=
bEx)

in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post more=
 about that soon).

Let's get to work! :)

Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt

co-chairs

--

=
Salvatore Loreto

www.sloreto.com

--_000_430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4Fmail_-- From gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com Thu May 13 07:57:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159C53A6829 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:57:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.236 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.236 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.363, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UUC8psBsFunw for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5ABF3A67FB for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 07:57:42 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7be7ae000002159-77-4bec135b385b Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id C1.34.08537.B531CEB4; Thu, 13 May 2010 16:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 May 2010 16:57:31 +0200 Received: from mail.lmf.ericsson.se ([131.160.11.50]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 13 May 2010 16:57:30 +0200 Received: from [131.160.126.215] (rvi2-126-215.lmf.ericsson.se [131.160.126.215]) by mail.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8687F245A; Thu, 13 May 2010 17:57:30 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BEC135A.5060400@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:57:30 +0300 From: Gonzalo Camarillo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hadriel Kaplan References: <4BEB9A1E.6020808@ericsson.com> <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4F@mail> In-Reply-To: <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4F@mail> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2010 14:57:30.0836 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C8E7940:01CAF2AC] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Volker Hilt , "sip-overload@ietf.org" , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [sip-overload] kick off X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:57:44 -0000 Hi, of course it is possible to make adjustments at a later point but, in general, the more realistic your request is, the better. It allows us to plan things in a, well, more realistic way :o) If all chairs start building buffers in their requests just in case, it would not be a nice situation. Having said that, if, at this point, you think you will need more time, go ahead modify your request. It is the chairs' call. Cheers, Gonzalo On 13/05/2010 5:02 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: > Howdy, > > Given the aggressive timeframes of the charter, and the number of folks > on the DISPATCH mailing list who said they intend to submit new drafts, > I suggest you ask for a 2-hour slot in Maastricht. > > My guess is you can always give back time, but it�s harder to ask for > more time after the scheduling is done. (though the A-Ds should chime in > on that) > > > > -hadriel > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Salvatore Loreto > *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:20 AM > *To:* sip-overload@ietf.org > *Cc:* Volker Hilt; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks > *Subject:* [sip-overload] kick off > > > > Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG! > > > > The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area Advisor > > Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the > > objectives defined in our charter: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html > > > > > > Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session at > > IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot. > > > > We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call (WebEx) > > in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post more about that soon). > > Let's get to work! :) > > > > Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt > > co-chairs > > > > -- > > Salvatore Loreto > > www.sloreto.com > From rjsparks@nostrum.com Thu May 13 08:20:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFBC3A6B5B for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:20:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.452 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.452 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.148, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Il1nwhQ5lEzi for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A053A692C for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-46-227.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.46.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4DFK8nW021395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 13 May 2010 10:20:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <4BEC135A.5060400@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:20:07 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4BEB9A1E.6020808@ericsson.com> <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4F@mail> <4BEC135A.5060400@ericsson.com> To: Gonzalo Camarillo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.46.227 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Volker Hilt , "sip-overload@ietf.org" , Hadriel Kaplan Subject: Re: [sip-overload] kick off X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:20:54 -0000 It actually creates a lot of pain for the schedule to ask for time you = don't need. Dealing with the room-size and conflict constraints makes creating the = full agenda very difficult, and the result is always a compromise. Giving time back = later doesn't help, the compromises have already been made, and those that had to give = up something because of those compromises will be rightly irritated. The best course of action is to work on a concrete agenda early and get = as good an estimate as possible on the time you really need, and request = that. RjS On May 13, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: > Hi, >=20 > of course it is possible to make adjustments at a later point but, in > general, the more realistic your request is, the better. It allows us = to > plan things in a, well, more realistic way :o) >=20 > If all chairs start building buffers in their requests just in case, = it > would not be a nice situation. Having said that, if, at this point, = you > think you will need more time, go ahead modify your request. It is the > chairs' call. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Gonzalo >=20 >=20 > On 13/05/2010 5:02 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: >> Howdy, >>=20 >> Given the aggressive timeframes of the charter, and the number of = folks >> on the DISPATCH mailing list who said they intend to submit new = drafts, >> I suggest you ask for a 2-hour slot in Maastricht.=20 >>=20 >> My guess is you can always give back time, but it=92s harder to ask = for >> more time after the scheduling is done. (though the A-Ds should chime = in >> on that) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -hadriel >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>=20 >> *From:* sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Salvatore = Loreto >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:20 AM >> *To:* sip-overload@ietf.org >> *Cc:* Volker Hilt; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks >> *Subject:* [sip-overload] kick off >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG! >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area = Advisor >>=20 >> Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the >>=20 >> objectives defined in our charter: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html = >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session = at >>=20 >> IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call = (WebEx)=20 >>=20 >> in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post = more about that soon). >>=20 >> Let's get to work! :) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt >>=20 >> co-chairs >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> Salvatore Loreto >>=20 >> www.sloreto.com >>=20 >=20 From HKaplan@acmepacket.com Thu May 13 08:23:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1137A3A6919 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:23:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.245 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.245 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.354, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NzPuMoLGo9v9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etmail.acmepacket.com (etmail.acmepacket.com [216.41.24.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5F93A69A9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 08:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.7) by etmail.acmepacket.com (216.41.24.6) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.375.2; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:23:17 -0400 Received: from mail.acmepacket.com ([127.0.0.1]) by mail ([127.0.0.1]) with mapi; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:23:16 -0400 From: Hadriel Kaplan To: Robert Sparks , Gonzalo Camarillo Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:22:52 -0400 Thread-Topic: [sip-overload] kick off Thread-Index: Acryr9xHTUa97kPWT2OHDnN7rulX+gAABkDQ Message-ID: <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990FA4@mail> References: <4BEB9A1E.6020808@ericsson.com> <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4F@mail> <4BEC135A.5060400@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Volker Hilt , "sip-overload@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [sip-overload] kick off X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:23:40 -0000 Fair enough. Then I recommend the chairs do that, because my guess is you'= ll need 2 hours for this first meeting of the WG. (but obviously I could be= way wrong... just a guess) -hadriel > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Sparks [mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:20 AM > To: Gonzalo Camarillo > Cc: Hadriel Kaplan; Salvatore Loreto; sip-overload@ietf.org; Volker Hilt > Subject: Re: [sip-overload] kick off >=20 > It actually creates a lot of pain for the schedule to ask for time you > don't need. >=20 > Dealing with the room-size and conflict constraints makes creating the > full agenda > very difficult, and the result is always a compromise. Giving time back > later doesn't > help, the compromises have already been made, and those that had to give > up > something because of those compromises will be rightly irritated. >=20 > The best course of action is to work on a concrete agenda early and get a= s > good an estimate as possible on the time you really need, and request tha= t. >=20 > RjS >=20 > On May 13, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > > > of course it is possible to make adjustments at a later point but, in > > general, the more realistic your request is, the better. It allows us t= o > > plan things in a, well, more realistic way :o) > > > > If all chairs start building buffers in their requests just in case, it > > would not be a nice situation. Having said that, if, at this point, you > > think you will need more time, go ahead modify your request. It is the > > chairs' call. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > On 13/05/2010 5:02 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: > >> Howdy, > >> > >> Given the aggressive timeframes of the charter, and the number of folk= s > >> on the DISPATCH mailing list who said they intend to submit new drafts= , > >> I suggest you ask for a 2-hour slot in Maastricht. > >> > >> My guess is you can always give back time, but it's harder to ask for > >> more time after the scheduling is done. (though the A-Ds should chime > in > >> on that) > >> > >> > >> > >> -hadriel > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > - > >> > >> *From:* sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org > >> [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Salvatore Loreto > >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:20 AM > >> *To:* sip-overload@ietf.org > >> *Cc:* Volker Hilt; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks > >> *Subject:* [sip-overload] kick off > >> > >> > >> > >> Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG! > >> > >> > >> > >> The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area > Advisor > >> > >> Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the > >> > >> objectives defined in our charter: > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session a= t > >> > >> IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot. > >> > >> > >> > >> We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call > (WebEx) > >> > >> in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post > more about that soon). > >> > >> Let's get to work! :) > >> > >> > >> > >> Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt > >> > >> co-chairs > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Salvatore Loreto > >> > >> www.sloreto.com > >> > > From volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com Thu May 13 11:50:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D203C3A6CC9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:50:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.356 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.356 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.243, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iw4Gffn61aBD for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE923A6CC6 for ; Thu, 13 May 2010 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.12]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id o4DIoDpa024466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 May 2010 13:50:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.111]) by usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id o4DIoDWm025255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 13 May 2010 13:50:13 -0500 Received: from [135.112.131.79] (135.3.63.241) by USNAVSXCHHUB02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (135.3.39.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.213.0; Thu, 13 May 2010 13:50:13 -0500 Message-ID: <4BEC4A3B.2070404@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:51:39 -0400 From: Volker Hilt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hadriel Kaplan References: <4BEB9A1E.6020808@ericsson.com> <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990F4F@mail> <4BEC135A.5060400@ericsson.com> <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990FA4@mail> In-Reply-To: <430FC6BDED356B4C8498F634416644A91C13990FA4@mail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.12 Cc: "sip-overload@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo , Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [sip-overload] kick off X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:50:35 -0000 Hadriel, yes, 1.5 hours might indeed be closer to what we need. Volker On 5/13/2010 11:22 AM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: > Fair enough. Then I recommend the chairs do that, because my guess is you'll need 2 hours for this first meeting of the WG. (but obviously I could be way wrong... just a guess) > > -hadriel > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Sparks [mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com] >> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:20 AM >> To: Gonzalo Camarillo >> Cc: Hadriel Kaplan; Salvatore Loreto; sip-overload@ietf.org; Volker Hilt >> Subject: Re: [sip-overload] kick off >> >> It actually creates a lot of pain for the schedule to ask for time you >> don't need. >> >> Dealing with the room-size and conflict constraints makes creating the >> full agenda >> very difficult, and the result is always a compromise. Giving time back >> later doesn't >> help, the compromises have already been made, and those that had to give >> up >> something because of those compromises will be rightly irritated. >> >> The best course of action is to work on a concrete agenda early and get as >> good an estimate as possible on the time you really need, and request that. >> >> RjS >> >> On May 13, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> of course it is possible to make adjustments at a later point but, in >>> general, the more realistic your request is, the better. It allows us to >>> plan things in a, well, more realistic way :o) >>> >>> If all chairs start building buffers in their requests just in case, it >>> would not be a nice situation. Having said that, if, at this point, you >>> think you will need more time, go ahead modify your request. It is the >>> chairs' call. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Gonzalo >>> >>> >>> On 13/05/2010 5:02 PM, Hadriel Kaplan wrote: >>>> Howdy, >>>> >>>> Given the aggressive timeframes of the charter, and the number of folks >>>> on the DISPATCH mailing list who said they intend to submit new drafts, >>>> I suggest you ask for a 2-hour slot in Maastricht. >>>> >>>> My guess is you can always give back time, but it's harder to ask for >>>> more time after the scheduling is done. (though the A-Ds should chime >> in >>>> on that) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -hadriel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >>>> >>>> *From:* sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org >>>> [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Salvatore Loreto >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 13, 2010 2:20 AM >>>> *To:* sip-overload@ietf.org >>>> *Cc:* Volker Hilt; Gonzalo Camarillo; Robert Sparks >>>> *Subject:* [sip-overload] kick off >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Welcome to the IETF's SIP Overload Control (soc) WG! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Chairs (Volker Hilt and Salvatore Loreto), assisted by RAI Area >> Advisor >>>> >>>> Robert Sparks, look forward to working with you all to meet the >>>> >>>> objectives defined in our charter: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/soc-charter.html >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Our first order of business is preparing for a productive WG session at >>>> >>>> IETF 78. We have already requested a 1 hour slot. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We are thinking about holding an interim meeting, via conference call >> (WebEx) >>>> >>>> in June, as a way to make sure that we're all prepared (we will post >> more about that soon). >>>> >>>> Let's get to work! :) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Salvatore Loreto and Volker Hilt >>>> >>>> co-chairs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Salvatore Loreto >>>> >>>> www.sloreto.com >>>> >>> > From salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com Thu May 27 03:33:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F08B3A689E; Thu, 27 May 2010 03:33:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MK9ZbtofYtfV; Thu, 27 May 2010 03:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB713A68BA; Thu, 27 May 2010 03:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7b80ae000001aa1-83-4bfe4a6dd8fe Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 1E.00.06817.D6A4EFB4; Thu, 27 May 2010 12:33:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 May 2010 12:33:17 +0200 Received: from mail.lmf.ericsson.se ([131.160.11.50]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 27 May 2010 12:33:16 +0200 Received: from nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se [131.160.33.3]) by mail.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF622702; Thu, 27 May 2010 13:33:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685EC4F8D7; Thu, 27 May 2010 13:33:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from n166.nomadiclab.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomadiclab.lmf.ericsson.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B41B4F73C; Thu, 27 May 2010 13:33:16 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4BFE4A6B.6030901@ericsson.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:33:15 +0300 From: Salvatore Loreto User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sip-overload@ietf.org" , Volker Hilt , Robert Sparks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2010 10:33:16.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[0453A290:01CAFD88] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: iesg-secretary@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: [sip-overload] Virtual WebEx Interim - Agenda Request X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:33:29 -0000 Hi folks, as announced a couple of weeks ago, the SoC WG will hold a 1,5h WebEx virtual interim meeting on Tuesday, June 29th, 2010 at 11:00 ET (18:00 Central Europe Time) To request a slot on the agenda: - simply send a private email to the chairs with a short description of the topic and the desired time for discussion. The cutoff date for agenda request and draft submission is June 14th. An official announcement from the IETF secretariat will follow soon. Ciao Salvatore From pkyzivat@cisco.com Thu May 27 05:57:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCDD3A6A99 for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:57:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.650, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yhClcviicC8Z for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C3083A6847 for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 05:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: rtp-iport-1.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAFEI/ktAZnwM/2dsb2JhbACeG3GmYJoehRME X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,311,1272844800"; d="scan'208";a="115215335" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com ([64.102.124.12]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 27 May 2010 12:57:28 +0000 Received: from [161.44.174.142] (dhcp-161-44-174-142.cisco.com [161.44.174.142]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4RCvSBf016748; Thu, 27 May 2010 12:57:28 GMT Message-ID: <4BFE6C39.6050100@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:57:29 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Salvatore Loreto References: <4BFE4A6B.6030901@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4BFE4A6B.6030901@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Volker Hilt , "sip-overload@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [sip-overload] Virtual WebEx Interim - Agenda Request X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:57:43 -0000 Salvatore Loreto wrote: > Hi folks, > > as announced a couple of weeks ago, > the SoC WG will hold a 1,5h WebEx virtual interim meeting > on Tuesday, June 29th, 2010 at 11:00 ET (18:00 Central Europe Time) IIUC, CET is UTC+2, so this meeting would be 16:00 UTC, or 12:00 Eastern Daylight Time. Or did I do that wrong? Thanks, Paul From volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com Thu May 27 14:00:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406353A6984 for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 14:00:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eSFUN+ctRMkO for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D6E3A6937 for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.12]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id o4RL00Ce028385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 May 2010 16:00:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.110]) by usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id o4RL00Gd002034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 27 May 2010 16:00:00 -0500 Received: from [135.112.131.79] (135.3.63.241) by USNAVSXCHHUB01.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (135.3.39.110) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.213.0; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <4BFEDD9A.6060900@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:01:14 -0400 From: Volker Hilt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kyzivat References: <4BFE4A6B.6030901@ericsson.com> <4BFE6C39.6050100@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4BFE6C39.6050100@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.12 Cc: "sip-overload@ietf.org" , Gonzalo Camarillo Subject: Re: [sip-overload] Virtual WebEx Interim - Agenda Request X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:00:24 -0000 Paul, thanks for catching this. The meeting will be June 29th, 2010 at 11:00am ET / 17:00 CET / 15:00 UTC. Thanks, Volker On 5/27/2010 8:57 AM, Paul Kyzivat wrote: > > > Salvatore Loreto wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> as announced a couple of weeks ago, >> the SoC WG will hold a 1,5h WebEx virtual interim meeting >> on Tuesday, June 29th, 2010 at 11:00 ET (18:00 Central Europe Time) > > IIUC, CET is UTC+2, so this meeting would be 16:00 UTC, or 12:00 Eastern > Daylight Time. Or did I do that wrong? > > Thanks, > Paul > From volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com Fri May 28 11:20:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94613A6878 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 11:20:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O9vzE406QYE5 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 11:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B743A63D3 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.10]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id o4SIKfU1013193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 13:20:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.111]) by usnavsmail2.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id o4SIKfFO020463 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 13:20:41 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (135.3.63.241) by USNAVSXCHHUB02.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (135.3.39.111) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.213.0; Fri, 28 May 2010 13:20:41 -0500 Message-ID: <4C000963.2070008@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:20:19 -0400 From: Volker Hilt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sip-overload@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.10 Subject: [sip-overload] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00 X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:20:55 -0000 I've just submitted a new version of the Design Considerations for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Overload Control draft (draft-hilt-soc-overload-design). The draft has been moved to the SOC WG as an individual submission. The previous version was a SIPPING WG item. Thanks, Volker -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00 Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:15:04 -0500 From: IETF I-D Submission Tool To: Hilt, Volker (Volker) CC: eric.noel@att.com , charles@cs.columbia.edu , aabdelal@sonusnet.com A new version of I-D, draft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Volker Hilt and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-hilt-soc-overload-design Revision: 00 Title: Design Considerations for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Overload Control Creation_date: 2010-05-28 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 21 Abstract: Overload occurs in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) networks when SIP servers have insufficient resources to handle all SIP messages they receive. Even though the SIP protocol provides a limited overload control mechanism through its 503 (Service Unavailable) response code, SIP servers are still vulnerable to overload. This document discusses models and design considerations for a SIP overload control mechanism. The IETF Secretariat. From root@core3.amsl.com Fri May 28 11:30:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@ietf.org Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 4E88A3A6978; Fri, 28 May 2010 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: IESG Secretary To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20100528183005.4E88A3A6978@core3.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: [sip-overload] SOC WG Virtual Interim Meeting, June 29, 2010 X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:30:06 -0000 The SOC WG hold a WebEx virtual interim meeting on Tuesday, June 29th, 2010 at 11:00 EDT (17:00 CET; 15:00 UTC) for 1.5 hours. Agenda and other details will be posted on the SOC mailing list (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sip-overload/current/maillist.html) prior to the meeting. From volker.hilt@alcatel-lucent.com Fri May 28 14:00:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145913A67D7 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 14:00:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1mf-UpWGWTF8 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 14:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2EC63A69B4 for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 14:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.12]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id o4SL0LT0006435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 16:00:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from USNAVSXCHHUB03.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsxchhub03.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.112]) by usnavsmail4.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id o4SL0L80004374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 May 2010 16:00:21 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (135.3.63.243) by USNAVSXCHHUB03.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (135.3.39.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.213.0; Fri, 28 May 2010 16:00:20 -0500 Message-ID: <4C002ED4.2030303@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:00:04 -0400 From: Volker Hilt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sip-overload@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.12 Subject: [sip-overload] SOC drafts / WebEx Interim X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 21:00:36 -0000 Folks, here are a few things to consider for SOC-reated drafts and in preparation of the WebEx Interim: - please (re)submit drafts for consideration by the SOC WG as "soc" drafts (e.g., substitute "sipping" or "dispatch" with "soc" in the file name) - some of the drafts have received comments as part of a review in the design team. If you haven't done so already, please submit a new version of the draft that addresses comments BEFORE the deadline of the interim meeting (June 14). - please start discussing your drafts on the mailing list!! We will assume that drafts, which have received many comments on the mailing list are of high interest. These drafts will be given priority for agenda time in meetings (interim and face-to-face). Thanks, Volker From partr@cisco.com Sun May 30 23:50:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sip-overload@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D470D3A69C3 for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 23:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28HV12Fd56IP for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 23:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788C33A69B9 for ; Sun, 30 May 2010 23:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAIn4AkyrR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACeMnGmI5kThRYEg0Y X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,331,1272844800"; d="scan'208";a="537582259" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 31 May 2010 06:50:38 +0000 Received: from xbh-bgl-412.cisco.com (xbh-bgl-412.cisco.com [72.163.129.202]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o4V6obbb015341; Mon, 31 May 2010 06:50:37 GMT Received: from xmb-bgl-411.cisco.com ([72.163.129.207]) by xbh-bgl-412.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 31 May 2010 12:20:34 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:20:33 +0530 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C000963.2070008@alcatel-lucent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [sip-overload] Fwd: New Version Notification fordraft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00 Thread-Index: Acr+koNq1x64VPLCRJ24PMYGfgQE4AB8P2OA References: <4C000963.2070008@alcatel-lucent.com> From: "Parthasarathi R (partr)" To: "Volker Hilt" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2010 06:50:34.0872 (UTC) FILETIME=[91EBA780:01CB008D] Subject: Re: [sip-overload] Fwd: New Version Notification fordraft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00 X-BeenThere: sip-overload@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP Overload List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 06:50:51 -0000 Hi Volker, In sec 3 of this draft indicates that the signaling network failure in receiver is considered only in implicit overload control. The statement is as follows:=20 "Implicit overload control uses the absence of responses and packet loss as an indication of overload." ... "Since there is no explicit overload signal, this mechanism is robust as it does not depend on actions taken by the SIP server running into overload.".=20 The network failure may be due to overload or packet loss in the middle box which will not be known to the sender. In my opinion, the network failure has to be considered from the sender perspective irrespective of whether explicit overload control or implicit overload control is implemented and also, there is no distinct advantage of using implicit overload control for this scenario. Please let me know your opinion. Thanks Partha -----Original Message----- From: sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sip-overload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Volker Hilt Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 11:50 PM To: sip-overload@ietf.org Subject: [sip-overload] Fwd: New Version Notification fordraft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00 I've just submitted a new version of the Design Considerations for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Overload Control draft (draft-hilt-soc-overload-design). The draft has been moved to the SOC WG as an individual submission. The previous version was a SIPPING WG item. Thanks, Volker -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00 Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:15:04 -0500 From: IETF I-D Submission Tool To: Hilt, Volker (Volker) CC: eric.noel@att.com , charles@cs.columbia.edu , aabdelal@sonusnet.com A new version of I-D, draft-hilt-soc-overload-design-00.txt has been=20 successfully submitted by Volker Hilt and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-hilt-soc-overload-design Revision: 00 Title: Design Considerations for Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)=20 Overload Control Creation_date: 2010-05-28 WG ID: Independent Submission Number_of_pages: 21 Abstract: Overload occurs in Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) networks when SIP servers have insufficient resources to handle all SIP messages they receive. Even though the SIP protocol provides a limited overload control mechanism through its 503 (Service Unavailable) response code, SIP servers are still vulnerable to overload. This document discusses models and design considerations for a SIP overload control mechanism. =20 The IETF Secretariat. _______________________________________________ sip-overload mailing list sip-overload@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip-overload