From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 1 02:51:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B123A6847; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:51:53 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3CA3A6847 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:51:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.4 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.4 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id unr6JgJZOH2L for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.anritsu.co.jp (ns.anritsu.co.jp [133.236.48.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB713A63EC for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp (gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp [172.16.16.20]) by ns.anritsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC5920F01 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:51:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from ATS-EXC-002.main.intgin.net (ats-exc-004.main.intgin.net [172.16.32.191]) by gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472E1B5822 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:51:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from HKG-EXC-001.main.intgin.net ([192.168.144.45]) by ATS-EXC-002.main.intgin.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:51:47 +0900 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:51:47 +0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)? Thread-Index: AclTos5quAnoIohkRA6EK0/xC1gz7g== From: "Kurniawan, Dendi" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2008 10:51:47.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE9B6E70:01C953A2] Subject: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)? X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1292996069==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1292996069== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C953A2.CE76F003" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C953A2.CE76F003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, =20 =20 I want to make Voice quality statistic (Jitter, Delay, MOS, etc) from = InterMedia Gateway interface (Nb). Does anyone have advice or solution = to decode this link? =20 We use Ericsson MediaGateway, with protocol RTP as media stream, and = BICC for signalling. =20 Regards, =20 =20 Dendi Kurniawan ------_=_NextPart_001_01C953A2.CE76F003 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dendi, have you tried Wireshark? Best regards Michael On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Kurniawan, Dendi wrote: > Dear all, > > > I want to make Voice quality statistic (Jitter, Delay, MOS, etc) > from InterMedia Gateway interface (Nb). Does anyone have advice or > solution to decode this link? > > We use Ericsson MediaGateway, with protocol RTP as media stream, and > BICC for signalling. > > Regards, > > > Dendi Kurniawan > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 2 02:00:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401863A6803; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5414B3A67A1 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:00:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.805 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.805 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.594, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y6WR9YlknGPA for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.anritsu.co.jp (ns.anritsu.co.jp [133.236.48.2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8AE3A6803 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 02:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp (gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp [172.16.16.20]) by ns.anritsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB66020F0C; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:00:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from ATS-EXC-001.main.intgin.net (ats-exc-003.main.intgin.net [172.16.32.190]) by gatekeeper.noc.anritsu.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4E41B5826; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:00:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from HKG-EXC-001.main.intgin.net ([192.168.144.45]) by ATS-EXC-001.main.intgin.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:56:11 +0900 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:56:10 +0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)? Thread-Index: AclTsSIFryZXgoKWRQe6EVDQNsMulwAsZdrw References: <90AF4E11-539E-4DB7-8DE3-26B4C8A6BFFE@lurchi.franken.de> From: "Kurniawan, Dendi" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_T=FCxen?= X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2008 09:56:11.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[34E893D0:01C95464] Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)? X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0354787425==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0354787425== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C95464.340B74EF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95464.340B74EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, Of course I have tried it. But I can't find how to make Jitter, Delay, = and MOS analysis. I have cap file samples if you want to try. Regards, Dendi -----Original Message----- From: Michael T=FCxen [mailto:Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de] Sent: Mon 12/1/2008 7:34 PM To: Kurniawan, Dendi Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)? =20 Hi Dendi, have you tried Wireshark? Best regards Michael On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Kurniawan, Dendi wrote: > Dear all, > > > I want to make Voice quality statistic (Jitter, Delay, MOS, etc) =20 > from InterMedia Gateway interface (Nb). Does anyone have advice or =20 > solution to decode this link? > > We use Ericsson MediaGateway, with protocol RTP as media stream, and =20 > BICC for signalling. > > Regards, > > > Dendi Kurniawan > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95464.340B74EF Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)?

Hi Michael,

Of course I have tried it. But I can't find how to make Jitter, Delay, = and MOS analysis. I have cap file samples if you want to try.

Regards,

Dendi


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael T=FCxen [mailto:Michael.Tuexen@lu= rchi.franken.de]
Sent: Mon 12/1/2008 7:34 PM
To: Kurniawan, Dendi
Cc: sigtran@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)?

Hi Dendi,

have you tried Wireshark?

Best regards
Michael

On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:51 AM, Kurniawan, Dendi wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>
> I want to make Voice quality statistic (Jitter, Delay, MOS, = etc) 
> from InterMedia Gateway interface (Nb). Does anyone have advice = or 
> solution to decode this link?
>
> We use Ericsson MediaGateway, with protocol RTP as media stream, = and 
> BICC for signalling.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Dendi Kurniawan
> _______________________________________________
> Sigtran mailing list
> Sigtran@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.o= rg/mailman/listinfo/sigtran

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Or I may use dynamic ports to do this? What is the standard? This is for the SCTP Heartbeat and not an M3UA part. =20 Thanks! =20 richard =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C958D4.FDC864D6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Experts,

 

Does the SCTP ports for SCTP = heartbeat can be set as 2905? Or I may use dynamic ports to do this? What is the = standard? This is for the SCTP Heartbeat = and not an M3UA part.

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C958D4.FDC864D6-- --===============0089680271== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0089680271==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 7 19:07:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8A03A6A1C; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:07:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39CE3A6A1C for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:07:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rWhoUFtWTVe8 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [206.75.119.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C05C3A699F for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:VfbIqawXXE+/zWz2rbcUQDqnxGr4MNRh@ns5.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.5]) by gw.openss7.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB837ORk006167; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:07:24 -0700 Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:8QxsXLMdsM5f10r6SdDF0SvwQE6jbNRA@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB837Ocn030815; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:07:24 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mB837NZl030814; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:07:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:07:23 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: "Agonias, Richard L. (Digitel-GSM)" Message-ID: <20081208030723.GA30676@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Agonias, Richard L. (Digitel-GSM)" , sigtran@ietf.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] SCTP Heartbeat port X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Richard, SCTP HEARTBEAT is performed within the association: it does not have a port of its own. See RFC 4960. --brian Agonias, Richard L. (Digitel-GSM) wrote: (Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:33:27) > > Hi Experts, > > > Does the SCTP ports for SCTP heartbeat can be set as 2905? Or I may > use dynamic ports to do this? What is the standard? This is for the > SCTP Heartbeat and not an M3UA part. > > > Thanks! > > > richard -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 8 01:35:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C4A3A6953; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:35:30 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5333A69E9 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:35:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.441 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.443, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2sDvnby7Xzlh for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.digitel.ph (webmail.digitel.ph [202.138.159.18]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525243A6918 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2008 01:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from DTPEXCHANGEPR01.digitel.ph ([192.168.27.42]) by webmail.digitel.ph with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:36:10 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:36:01 +0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: MSU to be converted in bps Thread-Index: AclR9bSn3YbuAVmPQ2Wm0rb3Gglv4wG3sSDgABDlqdA= From: "Agonias, Richard L. \(Digitel-GSM\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2008 09:36:10.0816 (UTC) FILETIME=[678D2400:01C95918] Subject: [Sigtran] MSU to be converted in bps X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0082176887==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0082176887== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C95918.678526DE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95918.678526DE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Hi Experts, =20 How do you calculate the bandwidth (in bps) of a certain Message Signal Unit assuming I have the following? =20 Thanks! =20 richard =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95918.678526DE Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

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You need RTCP to report on Voice quality metrics. Do you have RTCP = packets in th pcap? ------- Raj Kunnukattil YIM: raj_kunnukattil mail: raj_kunnukattil@yahoo.com LinkedIN profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/rajkunnukattil -----Original Message----- From: "Kurniawan, Dendi" Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:56:10 To: Michael T=C3=BCxen Cc: Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)? _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran ------_=_NextPart_002_01C9550E.65D08679 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Re: [Sigtran] Decoding Nb (InterMedia Gateway)?=0A= =0A= =0A=
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My traffic = doesn't have RTCP =0A= packet. Its RTP only. They used H.248 as MediaGateway controler and BICC = for =0A= signalling. Please see attachment then.
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=0A= From: Raj Kunnukattil =0A= [mailto:raj_kunnukattil@yahoo.com]
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Subject: Re: [Sigtran] = Decoding =0A= Nb (InterMedia Gateway)?

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You need RTCP to report on Voice quality metrics. Do = you have =0A= RTCP packets in th pcap?




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any news about this subject ?
Did 3GPP or any other related organization finally reserved a PPI ?

Regards
Ben
------=_Part_124688_10175221.1229020137249-- --===============1777915888== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============1777915888==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 11 11:05:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C9528C210; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:05:31 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF8D28C20F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:05:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFm+BHp2ivNr for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [206.75.119.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE2C28C20A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:6RaymqtjjlvoxYyETyeHF2/SRXTLjN/c@ns5.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.5]) by gw.openss7.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBBJ4NLp032459; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:04:23 -0700 Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:hlDfEjH7NXupXGhNzGD+6mk85kN4UtEu@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBBJ4Njc022852; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:04:23 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBBJ4NHG022851; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:04:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:04:23 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ben Davis Message-ID: <20081211190423.GA22409@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ben Davis , sigtran@ietf.org References: <20080328110630.A24270@openss7.org> <8468F341-E8C2-4CD1-8811-994017ACEBF6@lurchi.franken.de> <0B08B721-52D7-4014-83C8-7CCC06DB575F@fh-muenster.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] NBAP over SCTP X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Ben, It hasn't appeared here yet if they have: http://www.iana.org/assignments/sctp-parameters --brian Ben Davis wrote: (Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:28:57) > > Hi, > any news about this subject ? > Did 3GPP or any other related organization finally reserved a PPI ? > Regards > Ben > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 11 12:14:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F043A6996; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:14:21 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51EE3A6903 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:14:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s3XVwiMz6fsj for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from colibri.verisign.com (colibri.verisign.com [65.205.251.74]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082C63A69A0 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from MOU1WNEXCN02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (mailer2.verisign.com [65.205.251.35]) by colibri.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mBBJquuE004521 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:52:58 -0800 Received: from OVE1WNEXCB02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.60.13.34]) by MOU1WNEXCN02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:14:08 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:14:07 -0600 Message-ID: <769992A2576FBE40AE148F2DB4446F0B607425@OVE1WNEXCB02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sigtran implementation over public carrier MPLS thread-index: AclbzQWTehYb/4ArTCuHyFJaYIvnGg== From: "McCandless, Kevin" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2008 20:14:08.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[05E81950:01C95BCD] Subject: [Sigtran] Sigtran implementation over public carrier MPLS X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0673458463==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0673458463== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C95BCD.05B554A3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95BCD.05B554A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have Sigtran implementation experience over a carrier's MPLS network experience and is willing to share the pros/cons of their implementation? Interested in how SCTP/M2PA or SCTP/M3UA behave during BGP reroutes and other network related events. =20 If so, please contact me directly. =20 Thanks =20 Kevin=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95BCD.05B554A3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Does anyone have Sigtran implementation experience = over a carrier’s MPLS network experience and is willing to share the = pros/cons of their implementation?  Interested in how SCTP/M2PA or SCTP/M3UA = behave during BGP reroutes and other network related = events.

 

If so, please contact me = directly.

 

Thanks

 

Kevin =

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C95BCD.05B554A3-- --===============0673458463== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0673458463==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 11 16:26:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB3E3A696E; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:26:59 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413D728C124 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:26:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.678 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.678 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.920, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69G3XRi09Q0J for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.digitel.ph (webmail.digitel.ph [202.138.159.18]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9DA3A68E8 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from DTPEXCHANGEPR01.digitel.ph ([192.168.27.42]) by webmail.digitel.ph with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:27:27 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:27:35 +0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Sigtran] Sigtran implementation over public carrier MPLS Thread-Index: AclbzQWTehYb/4ArTCuHyFJaYIvnGgAIrLJw From: "Agonias, Richard L. \(Digitel-GSM\)" To: "McCandless, Kevin" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2008 00:27:27.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[69714780:01C95BF0] Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Sigtran implementation over public carrier MPLS X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0383722809==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0383722809== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C95BF0.6E87EE66" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95BF0.6E87EE66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kevin, =20 Were doing this already, SIGTRAN over IP over MPLS. You need to be sure that though you implemented MPLS, proper TE should be there as well. Also, a good QOS on the IP might help during congestions. BTW, have you experienced lately any problem with your implementation?=20 =20 Warmest regards, =20 RICHARD ________________________________ From: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sigtran-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of McCandless, Kevin Sent: 2008-12-12 04:14 To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: [Sigtran] Sigtran implementation over public carrier MPLS =20 Does anyone have Sigtran implementation experience over a carrier's MPLS network experience and is willing to share the pros/cons of their implementation? Interested in how SCTP/M2PA or SCTP/M3UA behave during BGP reroutes and other network related events. =20 If so, please contact me directly. =20 Thanks =20 Kevin=20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C95BF0.6E87EE66 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Kevin,

 

Were doing this already, SIGTRAN = over IP over MPLS. You need to be sure that though you implemented MPLS, proper = TE should be there as well. Also, a good QOS on the IP might help during congestions.

BTW, have you experienced lately = any problem with your implementation?

 

Warmest = regards,

 

RICHARD

From: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sigtran-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of McCandless, Kevin
Sent: 2008-12-12 = 04:14
To: sigtran@ietf.org
Subject: [Sigtran] = Sigtran implementation over public carrier MPLS

 

Does anyone have Sigtran implementation experience = over a carrier’s MPLS network experience and is willing to share the = pros/cons of their implementation?  Interested in how SCTP/M2PA or SCTP/M3UA = behave during BGP reroutes and other network related = events.

 

If so, please contact me = directly.

 

Thanks

 

Kevin =

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C95BF0.6E87EE66-- --===============0383722809== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0383722809==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 17 17:20:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1563A6B4F; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:20:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AE63A6B66 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.048 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.048 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acEUIItKO28e for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.digitel.ph (webmail.digitel.ph [202.138.159.18]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA5C3A66B4 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from DTPEXCHANGEPR01.digitel.ph ([192.168.27.42]) by webmail.digitel.ph with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:20:46 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:20:54 +0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: IP Link Congestion on Signaling Gateway Thread-Index: AclbzQWTehYb/4ArTCuHyFJaYIvnGgAIrLJwAS+YeeA= From: "Agonias, Richard L. \(Digitel-GSM\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2008 01:20:46.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAACBF20:01C960AE] Subject: [Sigtran] IP Link Congestion on Signaling Gateway X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1543086180==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1543086180== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C960AE.DFD6E176" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C960AE.DFD6E176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Experts, =20 Good day! =20 I am using a STP/Signaling Gateway between our MSC Server and HLR. However, there were often times we encountered alarms on STP saying "IP Link Congestion" though the utilization on the IP transmission itself Is not that high. On the STP side, I am using 1 IP card with 5 associations all using SCTP port number 2905. =20 Hope you can help me with this problem. =20 Thanks! =20 Regards, =20 richard =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C960AE.DFD6E176 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Experts,

 

Good = day!

 

I am using a STP/Signaling Gateway = between our MSC Server and HLR. However, there were often times we encountered = alarms on STP saying “IP Link Congestion” though the utilization on = the IP transmission itself Is not that high. On the STP side, I am using 1 IP = card with 5 associations all using SCTP port number = 2905.

 

Hope you can help me with this = problem.

 

Thanks!

=

 

Regards,

 

richard

=

 

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(Digitel-GSM) Sent: quinta-feira, 18 de Dezembro de 2008 1:21 To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: [Sigtran] IP Link Congestion on Signaling Gateway =20 Hi Experts, =20 Good day! =20 I am using a STP/Signaling Gateway between our MSC Server and HLR. = However, there were often times we encountered alarms on STP saying "IP = Link Congestion" though the utilization on the IP transmission itself Is = not that high. On the STP side, I am using 1 IP card with 5 associations = all using SCTP port number 2905. =20 Hope you can help me with this problem. =20 Thanks! =20 Regards, =20 richard =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- This message may contain confidential information or privileged = material, and is intended only for the individual(s) named. If you are = not in the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or = copy this e-mail. 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Richard,

 

Please = detail more your configuration so others can help you (link bw, load, = statistics measurement period, occurred on a peak or after some time with same load, = during/after a node failure/outage, after issues on IP netw or nodes, half/full duplex, = vendors involved, [probably won’t affect but also] ip equipment vendors = involved, node is directly connected to all its destinations or not, etc). =

 

Cumprimentos / Regards,

Rui = Gomes

From: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:sigtran-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Agonias, Richard L. (Digitel-GSM)
Sent: quinta-feira, 18 de = Dezembro de 2008 1:21
To: sigtran@ietf.org
Subject: [Sigtran] IP = Link Congestion on Signaling Gateway

 

Hi = Experts,

 =

Good = day!

 =

I am using a STP/Signaling Gateway between our MSC Server and HLR. However, there = were often times we encountered alarms on STP saying “IP Link = Congestion” though the utilization on the IP transmission itself Is not that high. = On the STP side, I am using 1 IP card with 5 associations all using SCTP port = number 2905.

 =

Hope you can = help me with this problem.

 =

Thanks!

 =

Regards,

 =

richard

 

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Sincerely, Mr Casey From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 19 01:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E493A69FF; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89AF3A69FF for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:13:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZIq3Hh+3pMW0 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [206.75.119.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC63D3A69F5 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:13:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:mKLSfZPoLGbHUqwp8YjHiEo6xxiDB124@ns5.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.5]) by gw.openss7.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBJ9Ct1h027899; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:12:55 -0700 Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:dOHbiTA1Ejgel+Bxh1t/dnK7Q7LHYXcc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBJ9CtX0024276; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:12:55 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBJ9CsQP024273; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:12:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:12:54 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: "Agonias, Richard L. (Digitel-GSM)" Message-ID: <20081219091254.GA24139@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Agonias, Richard L. (Digitel-GSM)" , sigtran@ietf.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] IP Link Congestion on Signaling Gateway X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Agonias, Perhaps the IP link is congested? SCTP congests when the send window is smaller than the offered load. The send window is not only dependent upon bandwidth available, but is also affected (negatively) by the error rate (or packet drop rate) experienced by the network due to noise or congestion. It also depends on what else is competing for the same bandwidth. Also a large bandwidth-delay product can cause underutilization. --brian Agonias, Richard L. (Digitel-GSM) wrote: (Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:20:54) > > Hi Experts, > > > Good day! > > > I am using a STP/Signaling Gateway between our MSC Server and HLR. > However, there were often times we encountered alarms on STP saying > "IP Link Congestion" though the utilization on the IP transmission > itself Is not that high. On the STP side, I am using 1 IP card with 5 > associations all using SCTP port number 2905. > > > Hope you can help me with this problem. > > > Thanks! > > > Regards, > > > richard > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Sun Dec 28 21:51:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541A03A6C0A; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D283A6C09 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:50:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id thlvE5FEAf4w for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:50:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC02B3A6C08 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id D617320B22 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:50:37 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-af761bb00000304c-a6-4958652dc793 Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id AABEA203E6 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:50:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.176]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:50:37 +0100 Received: from emyklmw103.eapac.ericsson.se ([150.236.92.103]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:50:37 +0100 Received: from eaubrmw001.eapac.ericsson.se ([146.11.160.9]) by emyklmw103.eapac.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:50:27 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:50:25 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming Thread-Index: AclpeVif5pvALm/pQxi3ko0rSJ5ICg== From: "Janaka Sooriyaaratchi" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2008 05:50:27.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[59D39E90:01C96979] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0126695877==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0126695877== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C96979.590CDF97" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96979.590CDF97 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Experts, The following question is related to SCTP multihoming with Two IP addresses in each Node (Client and the Server).=20 I need to know the correct behavior of Heart beat response when one of the IP addresses are not reachable. Pls look at the example below; Local Node Remote Node (Client, Port 2905) (Server, Port 2906) (Primary) 10.114.4.132 Ip Interface1(Link1) <----------> 10.102.232.7 (Secondary) 10.114.4.140 Ip Interface2(Link2) <----------> 10.102.232.39 SCTP is Configured as Multihomed. In the above configuration SCTP port address 10.114.4.140 is down, and local node sends ICMP response as below; 2008-08-12 15:09:32.666577 10.102.232.39 10.114.4.140 SCTP HEARTBEAT=20 2008-08-12 15:09:32.667161 10.114.4.140 10.102.232.39 ICMP Destination unreachable (Port unreachable) ICMP: Type: Destination Unreachable Code: protocol Unreachabel This causes the Remote Node to react badly , that is, Remote node sends SCTP abort to the primary link (10.114.4.132 ) taking down the whole SCTP user. We donot have the full internal visibility to Remote Node as it belongs to another Vendor. But what we do know is that the Remote Node does not like the ICMP message as a response to the HB request. According to RFC 4960 ICMP handling is Defined in Appendix C, we may argue that the Local behaves correctly in sending the ICMP message. But the question remains not answered is that "can the Local node sends ICMP message as a response to HB request?". Is this specifically mentioned in RFC 4960. What is the equivalent NAK message to HB request in SCTP? Other Argument we had there related to ICMP message was that Remote node does not support ICMP messages, meaning follows RFC 2960 , where ICMP handling is not defined. In this case what would be the Response to HB request? Should the local Node Silently Discard the HB message? Pls would you discuss this issues with respect relevant RFCs. Thanks in Advance. According to=20 Best Regards=20 Janaka Sooriyaaratchi ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96979.590CDF97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming

Hi Experts,
The following question is related to = SCTP multihoming with Two IP addresses in each Node (Client and the = Server).
I need to know the correct behavior of = Heart beat response when one of the IP addresses are not = reachable.

Pls look at the example below;

Local = Node      =         =         =         =         =         =         Remote Node
(Client, Port 2905)     =         =         =         =         =         (Server, Port 2906)
(Primary)   = 10.114.4.132  Ip Interface1(Link1)  =         <----------> = 10.102.232.7
(Secondary) 10.114.4.140 Ip = Interface2(Link2)           = <----------> 10.102.232.39
SCTP is Configured as = Multihomed.

In the above configuration SCTP port = address 10.114.4.140 is down, and local node sends ICMP response as = below;

2008-08-12 = 15:09:32.666577      10.102.232.39   = 10.114.4.140    SCTP    HEARTBEAT
2008-08-12 = 15:09:32.667161      = 10.114.4.140    10.102.232.39   = ICMP    Destination unreachable (Port unreachable)
ICMP:
Type: Destination = Unreachable
Code: protocol = Unreachabel

This causes the Remote Node to react = badly , that is, Remote node sends SCTP abort to the primary link = (10.114.4.132  ) taking down the whole SCTP user.

We donot have the full internal = visibility to Remote Node as it belongs to another Vendor. But = what  we do know is that the  Remote Node does not like the = ICMP message as a response to the HB request.

According to RFC 4960 ICMP handling is Defined in Appendix C, we may argue = that the Local behaves correctly in sending the ICMP message. But the = question remains not answered is that "can the Local node sends = ICMP message as a response to HB request?". Is this specifically = mentioned in RFC 4960. What is the equivalent NAK message to HB request = in SCTP?

Other Argument we had there related to = ICMP message was that Remote node does not support ICMP messages, = meaning follows RFC 2960 , where ICMP handling is not = defined.

In this case what would be the = Response to HB request? Should the local Node Silently Discard the HB = message?

Pls would you discuss this issues with = respect relevant RFCs.
Thanks in Advance.



According to
Best Regards
Janaka = Sooriyaaratchi

------_=_NextPart_001_01C96979.590CDF97-- --===============0126695877== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0126695877==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 29 02:01:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D7F3A6885; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:01:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CC23A6885 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:01:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oz5DmGMCwAc8 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [206.75.119.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829C43A679C for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:r0IlPEu87FwdTcgbPTIJzpiADzsMdX6Z@ns5.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.5]) by gw.openss7.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBTA1A3n017981; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:01:10 -0700 Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:6t9omKZoaKpvwWw4RTyqtxpW2sr6/juX@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBTA1A6r002063; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:01:10 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBTA19hW002061; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:01:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:01:09 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Janaka Sooriyaaratchi Message-ID: <20081229100109.GA747@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Janaka Sooriyaaratchi , sigtran@ietf.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Janaka, Regardless of RFC, if the local node is sending ICMP (port unreachable) and ICMP (protocol unreachable) for a port for which there is an existing SCTP assocation, then the local node is messed up: it is not only telling the remote node that there is no association for the SCTP port but it is telling the remote node that one of its IP addresses does not even have SCTP support. The remote node is correct in dropping the association. There is no nak for a HEARTBEAT: if the implementation receive a valid HB (correct tag) port and IP address that is part of an existing association from an address with which the node has an association, it MUST respond with a HEARTBEAT ACK. --brian Janaka Sooriyaaratchi wrote: (Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:50:25) > > Hi Experts, > The following question is related to SCTP multihoming with Two IP > addresses in each Node (Client and the Server). > I need to know the correct behavior of Heart beat response when one of > the IP addresses are not reachable. > > Pls look at the example below; > > Local Node Remote > Node > (Client, Port 2905) > (Server, Port 2906) > (Primary) 10.114.4.132 Ip Interface1(Link1) <----------> > 10.102.232.7 > (Secondary) 10.114.4.140 Ip Interface2(Link2) <----------> > 10.102.232.39 > SCTP is Configured as Multihomed. > > In the above configuration SCTP port address 10.114.4.140 is down, and > local node sends ICMP response as below; > > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.666577 10.102.232.39 10.114.4.140 > SCTP HEARTBEAT > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.667161 10.114.4.140 10.102.232.39 > ICMP Destination unreachable (Port unreachable) > ICMP: > Type: Destination Unreachable > Code: protocol Unreachabel > > This causes the Remote Node to react badly , that is, Remote node > sends SCTP abort to the primary link (10.114.4.132 ) taking down the > whole SCTP user. > > We donot have the full internal visibility to Remote Node as it > belongs to another Vendor. But what we do know is that the Remote > Node does not like the ICMP message as a response to the HB request. > > According to RFC 4960 ICMP handling is Defined in Appendix C, we may > argue that the Local behaves correctly in sending the ICMP message. > But the question remains not answered is that "can the Local node > sends ICMP message as a response to HB request?". Is this specifically > mentioned in RFC 4960. What is the equivalent NAK message to HB > request in SCTP? > > Other Argument we had there related to ICMP message was that Remote > node does not support ICMP messages, meaning follows RFC 2960 , where > ICMP handling is not defined. > > In this case what would be the Response to HB request? Should the > local Node Silently Discard the HB message? > > Pls would you discuss this issues with respect relevant RFCs. > Thanks in Advance. > > According to > Best Regards > Janaka Sooriyaaratchi > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 29 03:03:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858C43A6934; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:03:18 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E63A6934 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:03:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.248 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.248 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9u4Qw1x4GKVg for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABE63A68EB for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 2DCDB548013; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:03:04 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-acf5cbb00000304c-b7-4958ae67f45b Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id EEB8620B96; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:03:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.170]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:03:03 +0100 Received: from emyklmw103.eapac.ericsson.se ([150.236.92.103]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:03:03 +0100 Received: from eaubrmw001.eapac.ericsson.se ([146.11.160.9]) by emyklmw103.eapac.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:02:57 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:02:54 +1100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming Thread-Index: AclpnGTiSpKMylsoRrandOrO+oyF/QAAWa/wAAHItGA= References: <20081229100109.GA747@openss7.org> From: "Janaka Sooriyaaratchi" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2008 11:02:57.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[01AF3630:01C969A5] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0428183941==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0428183941== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C969A5.00D39E60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C969A5.00D39E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hi Brian, > Thanks for the Reply, > I agree with you that if the Local Node (in our case) sends protocol > Unreachable, the remote node takes down the association, which > RFC4960 also Explains in ICMP handling, as below; >=20 > According to IETF specification RFC4460, Even though it is not > specifically given reference to the heart beat message (as in our > case), in general it say that ;=20 > ICMP8) If the ICMP code is a "Unrecognized next header type > encountered" or a "Protocol Unreachable", an implementation > MUST treat this message as an abort with the T bit set if it > does not contain an INIT chunk. If it does contain an INIT > chunk and the association is in COOKIE-WAIT state, handle the > ICMP message like an ABORT.=20 >=20 > As you mentioned below, I also believe that The stricter handling of > the "protocol unreachable" message is due to security concerns for > hosts that do NOT support SCTP. > Just to further clarify my first email below; > Local Node actually sends as I mentioned below (also in the previous > email); > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.666577 10.102.232.39 10.114.4.140 SCTP > HEARTBEAT > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.667161 10.114.4.140 10.102.232.39 ICMP > Destination unreachable (Port unreachable) > =20 > I made a Typography error below in red (sorry for that) > ICMP: > Type: Destination Unreachable > Code: Port Unreachable (Now Corrected) > Now, Do you think that the Local Node responds correctly (Destination > unreachable ,Port unreachable) > to the HB Request to the redundant association whose address is > temporarily not reachable, Or do you think that the Local node should > not reply to the HB Request as the association is not available at the > time of the HB Request from the local Node. > And also If the above mentioned ICMP message is the correct cause to > send to the remote end and the Remote end takes down the other active > association as well (with SCTP ABORT), do you think that this is due > to the Remote Node not supporting ICMP messages, meaning that it > supports only RFC 2960 track? >=20 >=20 > Thanks again. > Best Regards=20 > Janaka Sooriyaaratchi >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org]=20 > Sent: Monday, 29 December 2008 9:01 PM > To: Janaka Sooriyaaratchi > Cc: sigtran@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming >=20 > Janaka, >=20 > Regardless of RFC, if the local node is sending ICMP (port > unreachable) and ICMP (protocol unreachable) for a port for which > there is an existing SCTP assocation, then the local node is messed > up: it is not only telling the remote node that there is no > association for the SCTP port but it is telling the remote node that > one of its IP addresses does not even have SCTP support. The remote > node is correct in dropping the association. >=20 > There is no nak for a HEARTBEAT: if the implementation receive a valid > HB (correct tag) port and IP address that is part of an existing > association from an address with which the node has an association, it > MUST respond with a HEARTBEAT ACK. >=20 > --brian >=20 > Janaka Sooriyaaratchi wrote: (Mon, 29 Dec 2008 > 16:50:25) > >=20 > > Hi Experts, > > The following question is related to SCTP multihoming with Two IP > > addresses in each Node (Client and the Server). > > I need to know the correct behavior of Heart beat response when > one of > > the IP addresses are not reachable. > >=20 > > Pls look at the example below; > >=20 > > Local Node > Remote > > Node > > (Client, Port 2905) > > (Server, Port 2906) > > (Primary) 10.114.4.132 Ip Interface1(Link1) > <----------> > > 10.102.232.7 > > (Secondary) 10.114.4.140 Ip Interface2(Link2) > <----------> > > 10.102.232.39 > > SCTP is Configured as Multihomed. > >=20 > > In the above configuration SCTP port address 10.114.4.140 is > down, and > > local node sends ICMP response as below; > >=20 > > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.666577 10.102.232.39 10.114.4.140 > > SCTP HEARTBEAT > > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.667161 10.114.4.140 10.102.232.39 > > ICMP Destination unreachable (Port unreachable) > > ICMP: > > Type: Destination Unreachable > > Code: protocol Unreachabel > >=20 > > This causes the Remote Node to react badly , that is, Remote node > > sends SCTP abort to the primary link (10.114.4.132 ) taking down > the > > whole SCTP user. > >=20 > > We donot have the full internal visibility to Remote Node as it > > belongs to another Vendor. But what we do know is that the > Remote > > Node does not like the ICMP message as a response to the HB > request. > >=20 > > According to RFC 4960 ICMP handling is Defined in Appendix C, we > may > > argue that the Local behaves correctly in sending the ICMP > message. > > But the question remains not answered is that "can the Local node > > sends ICMP message as a response to HB request?". Is this > specifically > > mentioned in RFC 4960. What is the equivalent NAK message to HB > > request in SCTP? > >=20 > > Other Argument we had there related to ICMP message was that > Remote > > node does not support ICMP messages, meaning follows RFC 2960 , > where > > ICMP handling is not defined. > >=20 > > In this case what would be the Response to HB request? Should the > > local Node Silently Discard the HB message? > >=20 > > Pls would you discuss this issues with respect relevant RFCs. > > Thanks in Advance. > >=20 > > According to > > Best Regards > > Janaka Sooriyaaratchi >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Sigtran mailing list > > Sigtran@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran >=20 >=20 > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C969A5.00D39E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming

Hi = Brian,
Thanks for the = Reply,
I agree with you = that if the Local Node (in our case) sends protocol = Unreachable, the remote node = takes down the association,  which RFC4960 also Explains = in  ICMP handling, as below;

According to IETF specification RFC4460, Even though it = is not specifically given reference to the heart beat message (as in our = case), in general it say that ; =

ICMP8) If the = ICMP code is a "Unrecognized next header type
encountered" or a "Protocol Unreachable", an implementation
MUST treat this message as an abort = with the T bit set if it
does not contain an INIT chunk. If it does contain an INIT
chunk and the association is in COOKIE-WAIT state, handle the
ICMP message like an ABORT. =

As you mentioned below, I also believe that The stricter = handling of the "protocol unreachable" message is due to = security concerns for hosts that do NOT support SCTP.

Just to further clarify my first email = below;
Local Node = actually sends as I mentioned below (also in the previous = email);
2008-08-12 = 15:09:32.666577      10.102.232.39   = 10.114.4.140  SCTP    HEARTBEAT
2008-08-12 = 15:09:32.667161      = 10.114.4.140    10.102.232.39  = ICMP    Destination unreachable (Port = unreachable)
  =
I made a = Typography error below in red (sorry for that)
 ICMP:
Type: Destination = Unreachable
Code: Port Unreachable (Now Corrected)
Now, Do you think that the Local Node responds = correctly  (Destination = unreachable ,Port unreachable)
to the HB = Request to the redundant association whose address is temporarily not = reachable, Or do you think that the Local node should not reply to the = HB Request as the association is not available at the time of the HB = Request from the local Node.

And also If the = above mentioned ICMP message is the correct cause to send to the remote = end  and the Remote end takes down the other active association as = well (with SCTP ABORT), do you think that this is due to the  = Remote Node not supporting ICMP messages, meaning that it  supports = only RFC 2960 track?


Thanks = again.
Best Regards =
Janaka = Sooriyaaratchi


-----Original = Message-----
From: Brian F. G. = Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org]
Sent: Monday, 29 = December 2008 9:01 PM
To: Janaka = Sooriyaaratchi
Cc: = sigtran@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming

Janaka,

Regardless of RFC, = if the local node is sending ICMP (port unreachable) and ICMP (protocol = unreachable) for a port for which there is an existing SCTP assocation, = then the local node is messed up: it is not only telling the remote node = that there is no association for the SCTP port but it is telling the = remote node that one of its IP addresses does not even have SCTP = support.  The remote node is correct in dropping the = association.

There is no nak = for a HEARTBEAT: if the implementation receive a valid HB (correct tag) = port and IP address that is part of an existing association from an = address with which the node has an association, it MUST respond with a = HEARTBEAT ACK.

--brian

Janaka = Sooriyaaratchi = wrote:           &= nbsp;     (Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:50:25)
> =
>    Hi Experts,
>    The following question is related = to SCTP multihoming with Two IP
>    addresses in each Node (Client and = the Server).
>    I need to know the correct = behavior of Heart beat response when one of
>    the IP addresses are not = reachable.
> =
>    Pls look at the example = below;
> =
>    Local = Node           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =       Remote
>    Node
>    (Client, Port 2905)
>    (Server, Port 2906)
>    (Primary)   = 10.114.4.132  Ip = Interface1(Link1)          = <---------->
>    10.102.232.7
>    (Secondary) 10.114.4.140 Ip = Interface2(Link2)         &n= bsp; <---------->
>    10.102.232.39
>    SCTP is Configured as = Multihomed.
> =
>    In the above configuration SCTP = port address 10.114.4.140 is down, and
>    local node sends ICMP response as = below;
> =
>    2008-08-12 = 15:09:32.666577      10.102.232.39   = 10.114.4.140
>    SCTP    = HEARTBEAT
>    2008-08-12 = 15:09:32.667161      = 10.114.4.140    10.102.232.39
>    ICMP    Destination = unreachable (Port unreachable)
>    ICMP:
>    Type: Destination = Unreachable
>    Code: protocol = Unreachabel
> =
>    This causes the Remote Node to = react badly , that is, Remote node
>    sends SCTP abort to the primary = link (10.114.4.132  ) taking down the
>    whole SCTP user.
> =
>    We donot have the full internal = visibility to Remote Node as it
>    belongs to another Vendor. But = what  we do know is that the  Remote
>    Node does not like the ICMP = message as a response to the HB request.
> =
>    According to RFC 4960 ICMP = handling is Defined in Appendix C, we may
>    argue that the Local behaves = correctly in sending the ICMP message.
>    But the question remains not = answered is that "can the Local node
>    sends ICMP message as a response = to HB request?". Is this specifically
>    mentioned in RFC 4960. What is the = equivalent NAK message to HB
>    request in SCTP?
> =
>    Other Argument we had there = related to ICMP message was that Remote
>    node does not support ICMP = messages, meaning follows RFC 2960 , where
>    ICMP handling is not = defined.
> =
>    In this case what would be the = Response to HB request? Should the
>    local Node Silently Discard the HB = message?
> =
>    Pls would you discuss this issues = with respect relevant RFCs.
>    Thanks in Advance.
> =
>    According to
>    Best Regards
>    Janaka = Sooriyaaratchi

> = _______________________________________________
> Sigtran = mailing list
> = Sigtran@ietf.org
> = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran


--
Brian F. G. = Bidulock
bidulock@openss7.org
http://www.openss7.org/

------_=_NextPart_001_01C969A5.00D39E60-- --===============0428183941== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0428183941==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 29 03:34:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89213A6948; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:34:30 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2E23A6948 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:34:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id REvbM9WAUtFs for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-n.franken.de (drew.ipv6.franken.de [IPv6:2001:638:a02:a001:20e:cff:fe4a:feaa]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70673A6908 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2002:508f:e9a7::21e:c2ff:fe00:76c8] (unknown [IPv6:2002:508f:e9a7:0:21e:c2ff:fe00:76c8]) by mail-n.franken.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3890F1C0B461F; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:34:09 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Michael_T=FCxen?= To: Janaka Sooriyaaratchi In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:34:05 +0100 References: <20081229100109.GA747@openss7.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: bidulock@openss7.org, sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Janaka, if a node does not support SCTP, it sends ICMP(destination unreachable, protocol unreachable) in response to all received SCTP messages. if a node does support it should never send ICMP(destination unreachable, *) messages on reception of an SCTP message. I agree with Brian, the local node is broken. For me, it does not make any sense for an SCTP capable node to send an IMCP(destination unreachable, port unreachable) message. SCTP uses an ABORT message for signalling that an SCTP packet was received and there is no association. That is the reason for the following text in RFC 4960: Note that these procedures differ from [RFC1122] and from its requirements for processing of port-unreachable messages and the requirements that an implementation MUST abort associations in response to a "protocol unreachable" message. Port-unreachable messages are not processed, since an implementation will send an ABORT, not a port unreachable. The stricter handling of the "protocol unreachable" message is due to security concerns for hosts that do NOT support SCTP. ICMP3 allows the peer to ignore the ICMP message, but there is no requirement for doing so. I would call it a protocol violation what the local node does. When you receive a HEARTBEAT and you do have an association, send a HEATBEAT-ACK. If you do not have an association, send an ABORT. Best regards Michael On Dec 29, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Janaka Sooriyaaratchi wrote: > > Hi Brian, > Thanks for the Reply, > I agree with you that if the Local Node (in our case) sends protocol > Unreachable, the remote node takes down the association, which > RFC4960 also Explains in ICMP handling, as below; > > According to IETF specification RFC4460, Even though it is not > specifically given reference to the heart beat message (as in our > case), in general it say that ; > > ICMP8) If the ICMP code is a "Unrecognized next header type > encountered" or a "Protocol Unreachable", an implementation > MUST treat this message as an abort with the T bit set if it > does not contain an INIT chunk. If it does contain an INIT > chunk and the association is in COOKIE-WAIT state, handle the > ICMP message like an ABORT. > > As you mentioned below, I also believe that The stricter handling of > the "protocol unreachable" message is due to security concerns for > hosts that do NOT support SCTP. > > Just to further clarify my first email below; > Local Node actually sends as I mentioned below (also in the previous > email); > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.666577 10.102.232.39 10.114.4.140 > SCTP HEARTBEAT > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.667161 10.114.4.140 10.102.232.39 > ICMP Destination unreachable (Port unreachable) > > I made a Typography error below in red (sorry for that) > ICMP: > Type: Destination Unreachable > Code: Port Unreachable (Now Corrected) > Now, Do you think that the Local Node responds correctly > (Destination unreachable ,Port unreachable) > to the HB Request to the redundant association whose address is > temporarily not reachable, Or do you think that the Local node > should not reply to the HB Request as the association is not > available at the time of the HB Request from the local Node. > > And also If the above mentioned ICMP message is the correct cause to > send to the remote end and the Remote end takes down the other > active association as well (with SCTP ABORT), do you think that this > is due to the Remote Node not supporting ICMP messages, meaning > that it supports only RFC 2960 track? > > > Thanks again. > Best Regards > Janaka Sooriyaaratchi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org] > Sent: Monday, 29 December 2008 9:01 PM > To: Janaka Sooriyaaratchi > Cc: sigtran@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming > > Janaka, > > Regardless of RFC, if the local node is sending ICMP (port > unreachable) and ICMP (protocol unreachable) for a port for which > there is an existing SCTP assocation, then the local node is messed > up: it is not only telling the remote node that there is no > association for the SCTP port but it is telling the remote node that > one of its IP addresses does not even have SCTP support. The remote > node is correct in dropping the association. > > There is no nak for a HEARTBEAT: if the implementation receive a > valid HB (correct tag) port and IP address that is part of an > existing association from an address with which the node has an > association, it MUST respond with a HEARTBEAT ACK. > > --brian > > Janaka Sooriyaaratchi wrote: (Mon, 29 Dec 2008 > 16:50:25) > > > > Hi Experts, > > The following question is related to SCTP multihoming with Two IP > > addresses in each Node (Client and the Server). > > I need to know the correct behavior of Heart beat response when > one of > > the IP addresses are not reachable. > > > > Pls look at the example below; > > > > Local Node > Remote > > Node > > (Client, Port 2905) > > (Server, Port 2906) > > (Primary) 10.114.4.132 Ip Interface1(Link1) > <----------> > > 10.102.232.7 > > (Secondary) 10.114.4.140 Ip Interface2(Link2) > <----------> > > 10.102.232.39 > > SCTP is Configured as Multihomed. > > > > In the above configuration SCTP port address 10.114.4.140 is > down, and > > local node sends ICMP response as below; > > > > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.666577 10.102.232.39 10.114.4.140 > > SCTP HEARTBEAT > > 2008-08-12 15:09:32.667161 10.114.4.140 10.102.232.39 > > ICMP Destination unreachable (Port unreachable) > > ICMP: > > Type: Destination Unreachable > > Code: protocol Unreachabel > > > > This causes the Remote Node to react badly , that is, Remote node > > sends SCTP abort to the primary link (10.114.4.132 ) taking > down the > > whole SCTP user. > > > > We donot have the full internal visibility to Remote Node as it > > belongs to another Vendor. But what we do know is that the > Remote > > Node does not like the ICMP message as a response to the HB > request. > > > > According to RFC 4960 ICMP handling is Defined in Appendix C, > we may > > argue that the Local behaves correctly in sending the ICMP > message. > > But the question remains not answered is that "can the Local node > > sends ICMP message as a response to HB request?". Is this > specifically > > mentioned in RFC 4960. What is the equivalent NAK message to HB > > request in SCTP? > > > > Other Argument we had there related to ICMP message was that > Remote > > node does not support ICMP messages, meaning follows RFC 2960 , > where > > ICMP handling is not defined. > > > > In this case what would be the Response to HB request? Should the > > local Node Silently Discard the HB message? > > > > Pls would you discuss this issues with respect relevant RFCs. > > Thanks in Advance. > > > > According to > > Best Regards > > Janaka Sooriyaaratchi > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sigtran mailing list > > Sigtran@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 29 05:25:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A5628C25D; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:25:56 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A64828C25B for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:25:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vo1SJNi093O5 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from in-smtp.ccpu.com (in-smtp.ccpu.com [61.95.244.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D5C28C253 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from in-smtp.ccpu.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7397117F441 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:05:31 +0530 (IST) Received: from IN-EXCHANGE.ccpu.com (in-exchange.ccin.ccpu.com [172.25.0.16]) by in-smtp.ccpu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6734317F43E for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:05:31 +0530 (IST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:55:35 +0530 Message-ID: <2690213D5CBF0C479454EE80957DA8BD2579A5@in-exchange> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Regarding hostname/ip address based routing in SUA Thread-Index: AclpuO5Hv7IE0SLLSH+XVdSS+QyrZg== From: "Ashish Gupta" To: X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3216-5.5.0.1026-16368.007 X-TM-AS-Result: No--16.019-5.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--16.019-5.0-31-1 Cc: Rabindra Nath Tiwari Subject: [Sigtran] Regarding hostname/ip address based routing in SUA X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0937346183==" Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0937346183== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C969B8.EEBFCAB5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C969B8.EEBFCAB5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 =20 I have two questions regarding the hostname/ip address based routing in SUA, about which the RFC doesn't talk about. =20 Q 1) I believe that hostname/ip address based routing will be of use in the All-IP network, i.e. IPSP-IPSP mode of communication. Hence, the SSNM messages generated by SUA layer in this scenario will be the result of the invocation of the N-STATE primitive only (having affected hostname/ip address and SSN). Unlike, the SG-ASP mode of communication where the SSNM messages will also be generated as a result of invocation of the N-PCSTATE primitives. Please clarify if my understanding is correct. =20 Q2)Inline with the previous question, since hostname/ip address based routing will be used by SUA-USER in only ALL IP domain, so what, if at all, would be the usage of network appearance in this scenario. As network appearance parameter has the primary importance of identifying the point code format in the SS7 interworking domain. I believe that SUA can refrain from using network appearance parameter in this scenario. Please clarify if my understand is correct. =20 =20 =20 Thanks, Ashish ------_=_NextPart_001_01C969B8.EEBFCAB5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

 

I  have two questions regarding the hostname/ip = address based routing in SUA, about which the RFC doesn’t talk = about.

 

Q 1) I believe that hostname/ip address  based = routing will be of use in the All-IP network, i.e. IPSP-IPSP mode of = communication. Hence, the SSNM messages generated by SUA layer in this scenario will be = the result of the invocation of the N-STATE primitive only (having affected = hostname/ip address  and SSN). Unlike, the SG-ASP mode of communication where = the SSNM messages will also be generated as a result of invocation of the = N-PCSTATE primitives. Please clarify if my understanding is = correct.

 

Q2)Inline with the previous question, since = hostname/ip address based routing will be used by SUA-USER in only ALL IP domain, so = what, if at all, would be the usage of network appearance in this scenario. As network appearance parameter has the primary importance of identifying = the point code format in the SS7 interworking domain. I believe that SUA can refrain from using network appearance parameter in this scenario. Please clarify if my understand is correct.

 

 

 

Thanks,

Ashish

------_=_NextPart_001_01C969B8.EEBFCAB5-- --===============0937346183== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0937346183==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 29 06:04:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CC83A6B52; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:04:18 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414F73A681F for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:04:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.239 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.239 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zJVCTIefWuiZ for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [206.75.119.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CF53A6B52 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:fifQiMH7UQbVrxyhhTR/cjA5Cu+b8g3I@ns5.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.5]) by gw.openss7.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBTE42Jn022016; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:04:02 -0700 Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:nwa78u3TSIs8KMEsS9LQkv/xOhMFSlLk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBTE423P012982; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:04:02 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBTE41Io012981; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:04:01 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:04:01 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Janaka Sooriyaaratchi Message-ID: <20081229140401.GA12480@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Janaka Sooriyaaratchi , sigtran@ietf.org References: <20081229100109.GA747@openss7.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Question on HB in SCTP Multihoming X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Janaka, Sending ICMP(port unreachable) is incorrect as well: an association exists with that port, so the local node is still broken. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 29 06:09:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBEC28C257; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:09:13 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0388F28C257 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:09:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IRIe1cST6Guc for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [206.75.119.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19ACC28C253 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:2Aqh4i8SYf05KYPrsgQejlyxL0ftSXAZ@ns5.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.5]) by gw.openss7.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBTE8vmQ022095; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:08:57 -0700 Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:Zhf+DgjQOQi+38sNMq3kmEt4YrSKNTU0@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBTE8u0X013192; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:08:56 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBTE8uxU013191; Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:08:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:08:56 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ashish Gupta Message-ID: <20081229140856.GB12480@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ashish Gupta , sigtran@ietf.org, Rabindra Nath Tiwari References: <2690213D5CBF0C479454EE80957DA8BD2579A5@in-exchange> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2690213D5CBF0C479454EE80957DA8BD2579A5@in-exchange> Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: Rabindra Nath Tiwari , sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Regarding hostname/ip address based routing in SUA X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Ashish, Hostname/IP address in SUA is broken and underspecified. Further it attempts to extend SCCP which is outside the scope of the RFC. I fully expect it to fall out of use. --brian Ashish Gupta wrote: (Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:55:35) > > Hi, > > > > I have two questions regarding the hostname/ip address based routing > in SUA, about which the RFC doesn't talk about. > > > Q 1) I believe that hostname/ip address based routing will be of use > in the All-IP network, i.e. IPSP-IPSP mode of communication. Hence, > the SSNM messages generated by SUA layer in this scenario will be the > result of the invocation of the N-STATE primitive only (having > affected hostname/ip address and SSN). Unlike, the SG-ASP mode of > communication where the SSNM messages will also be generated as a > result of invocation of the N-PCSTATE primitives. Please clarify if my > understanding is correct. > > > Q2)Inline with the previous question, since hostname/ip address based > routing will be used by SUA-USER in only ALL IP domain, so what, if at > all, would be the usage of network appearance in this scenario. As > network appearance parameter has the primary importance of identifying > the point code format in the SS7 interworking domain. I believe that > SUA can refrain from using network appearance parameter in this > scenario. Please clarify if my understand is correct. > > > > > Thanks, > > Ashish > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 31 03:21:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FABD3A67ED; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:21:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1083A67ED for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:21:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h9HKlk5FIN8J for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from in-smtp.ccpu.com (in-smtp.ccpu.com [61.95.244.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11D93A6783 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from in-smtp.ccpu.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B25272C63; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:00:44 +0530 (IST) Received: from IN-EXCHANGE.ccpu.com (in-exchange.ccin.ccpu.com [172.25.0.16]) by in-smtp.ccpu.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E00272C62; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:00:43 +0530 (IST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:50:46 +0530 Message-ID: <2690213D5CBF0C479454EE80957DA8BD257AD9@in-exchange> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Sigtran] Regarding hostname/ip address based routing in SUA Thread-Index: AclpvwM9GP7N5qaFSseUIgRzZOB4EABb5yHA From: "Rabindra Nath Tiwari" To: , X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3216-5.5.0.1026-16372.006 X-TM-AS-Result: No--23.023-5.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--23.023-5.0-31-1 Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Regarding hostname/ip address based routing in SUA X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Brian, As you have mentioned that hostname/IP address based routing in SUA is underspecified, can we expect any further version of SUA RFC which would address these open points? Please note that I am asking for this information because due to the existence of these open points in RFC, from the implementer point of view it becomes taking an implementation specific approach to address these open points. Thanks and Regards, Rabindra Nath Tiwari -----Original Message----- From: Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 7:39 PM To: Ashish Gupta Cc: sigtran@ietf.org; Rabindra Nath Tiwari Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Regarding hostname/ip address based routing in SUA Ashish, Hostname/IP address in SUA is broken and underspecified. Further it attempts to extend SCCP which is outside the scope of the RFC. I fully expect it to fall out of use. --brian Ashish Gupta wrote: (Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:55:35) > > Hi, > > > > I have two questions regarding the hostname/ip address based routing > in SUA, about which the RFC doesn't talk about. > > > Q 1) I believe that hostname/ip address based routing will be of use > in the All-IP network, i.e. IPSP-IPSP mode of communication. Hence, > the SSNM messages generated by SUA layer in this scenario will be the > result of the invocation of the N-STATE primitive only (having > affected hostname/ip address and SSN). Unlike, the SG-ASP mode of > communication where the SSNM messages will also be generated as a > result of invocation of the N-PCSTATE primitives. Please clarify if my > understanding is correct. > > > Q2)Inline with the previous question, since hostname/ip address based > routing will be used by SUA-USER in only ALL IP domain, so what, if at > all, would be the usage of network appearance in this scenario. As > network appearance parameter has the primary importance of identifying > the point code format in the SS7 interworking domain. I believe that > SUA can refrain from using network appearance parameter in this > scenario. Please clarify if my understand is correct. > > > > > Thanks, > > Ashish > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 31 03:38:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sigtran-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-sigtran-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A403A67F3; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:38:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: sigtran@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6383A67F3 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:38:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.213 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.214, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Yqdnhez3jCe for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [206.75.119.236]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C3B3A6783 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:lr+4f1/fENyPUjLfPv8g1snvoEAgJl4P@ns5.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.5]) by gw.openss7.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBVBc9ul004324; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:38:09 -0700 Received: from wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:EqJq0HCtwQsaTpx0h5mcfmNN8OfHV4tT@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mBVBc9YC014520; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:38:09 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by wilbur.pigworks.openss7.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mBVBc8tS014519; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:38:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:38:08 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Rabindra Nath Tiwari Message-ID: <20081231113808.GB12129@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Rabindra Nath Tiwari , sigtran@ietf.org References: <2690213D5CBF0C479454EE80957DA8BD257AD9@in-exchange> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2690213D5CBF0C479454EE80957DA8BD257AD9@in-exchange> Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Regarding hostname/ip address based routing in SUA X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Rabindra, As John Loughney indicated when the SUA user was added, the SUA-user (in contrast with the SCCP-user) is underspecified and out of scope, yet was intended to meet some of the perceived needs of the 3GPP at the time. It was left to the 3GPP, or other organs that could take advantage of this capability, to specify their operation further. To my knowledge this has not occured. After it was added 3GPP specified M3UA instead of SUA and that is pretty much where it still sits. It is largely up to someone that sees a use for SUA-users to specify them further. Otherwise, the option will deprecate. It is unlikely that it will happen within this WG as it has all but closed down. That's my view: others may disagree. --brian Rabindra Nath Tiwari wrote: (Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:50:46) > Hi Brian, > > > As you have mentioned that hostname/IP address based routing in SUA is > underspecified, can we expect any further version of SUA RFC which would > address these open points? > Please note that I am asking for this information because due to the > existence of these open points in RFC, from the implementer point of > view it becomes taking an implementation specific approach to address > these open points. > > > Thanks and Regards, > Rabindra Nath Tiwari -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran