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    It was the first successful demonstration of an antisatellite missile by any country in more than 20 years. Had the United States been willing to discuss the military use of space with the Chinese in Geneva, that might have been enough to dissuade them from going through with it, said Jeffrey G. Six books have been shortlisted for the National Biography Award. You would often incorporate some quotation which had struck you. Although some senior physicians welcomed feedback from their juniors, others disdained it, either overtly or through intimidation.
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    Much has been made of the film’s look, and it’s easy to see why. And a burst of new findings are now helping them make the case.Biography, as Ian Donaldson showed in his essay ‘Matters of Life and Death: The Return of Biography’ (ABR, November 2006), is now a plastic, responsive, democratic and, yes, reputable art, capable of all sorts of liberties and latitude. Institutional size varied from vast, multi-campus enterprise players, such as RMIT, to small colleges with just a few hundred students. Block, the pirate queen herself, whose robust voice carries much of the show, came down with a bad case of the flu, forcing her to miss several previews and even leave the show a quarter of the way through a critics’ night. Ferguson said, we would start a crash program to make a vaccine. Institutions varied in size, but not in purpose or ambition.
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    For Canberra, the distinction between expensive university education and more economical technical training offered a compelling financial rationale. Plouffe said as he calculated the diminished minutes left for his candidate.
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    University campuses have become a familiar sight in most Australian towns and cities, and overall participation in higher learning has risen sharply. In 1987, Canberra provided eighty-three per cent of university revenue. So the available information is surprising.
    Daniele were to take charge — as was the plan — the team would need to make room, and though much of his choreography remains, Mr. The government was supposed to make improving the nation’s infrastructure a priority — President Olusegun Obasanjo, elected in 1999 and stepping down next month after two terms in office, campaigned on the promise of more electricity.

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    Hello = All:

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    I require your inputs for a minor change in M3UA R= FC 4666.

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    In section 3.7.2 of M3UA RFC 4666, the Routing Cont= ext parameter is given optional for ASP Active Ack message.

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Three times in = the past forty years, ministers of education have embraced bold higher ed= ucation policy moves: the joint efforts of state and federal governments = in the 1960s that created a string of universities, including Flinders; t= he free education and system expansion triggered by the Whitlam governmen= t; and the further expansion, a unified national system and HECS under Jo= hn Dawkins. Death stalked the Niall family: several uncles died in quick succession, = all young. By the time the Dawkins wave of mergers concluded in the early= 1990s, sixty-three higher education providers had become thirty-six univ= ersities, many with multiple campuses. So from 2007 the VCA will become a= faculty of the University of Melbourne rather than the independent =91un= iversity of arts=92 sometimes evoked as a government aspiration. Matheson= , was reported as saying: =91I speak =85 as one who has tried =96 who ind= eed came to this country with the avowed intention of trying =96 to produ= ce a university different in character from the other university in the c= ity in which Monash is located. We might treasure the past, but it is tim= e to shape the future. analysis had found an added risk affecting about two in 100 patients. The= box, possibly introduced to pacify the infant subject, had worked: art, = depiction, commemoration could proceed. Now people are thinking more about different ways they can use them. Some= of his own treehouses, he said, are used for weddings, tai chi and Alcoh= olics Anonymous meetings. In a competitive world, thirty-seven public uni= versities all offering a very similar form of education is, at the very l= east, a high-risk strategy. When I called to ask, our Rolling Hills Commu= nity Association told me that my laundry had to be completely hidden in a= n enclosure approved by its board of directors. The Flinders class of 196= 6 was dominated by males drawn from the middle class. From unions, advoca= tes for the homeless, church groups, black Democrats, Hispanic Democrats,= Jewish Democrats and an association of big-city mayors. Election officia= ls gave themselves high marks on Sunday for the handling of the polls, bu= t their comments were in sharp contrast to assessments of international o= bservers. In the studies involving depression, 61 percent of patients improved whil= e on antidepressants. Seduction comes into it =96 biographer, subject, co= pyright holders, the inevitable widows and grandsons =96 but so too do al= l sorts of subjective factors: stamina, availability, finances, sheer int= erest. Access initiatives lifted the number of indigenous Australians goi= ng to university, while women and people of non-English speaking backgrou= nd achieved rates of participation at or exceeding their percentage of th= e population. Galati asked the producers to bring in Graciela Daniele to rework the mus= ical staging. So the administration=92s decision was to monitor China=92s= preparations and draft a protest that could be delivered after the test.= The wedding party was wonderful until the best man collapsed from drink. = After a private dinner of Democratic campaign managers at a Washington st= eakhouse last month with Howard Dean, the Democratic National Committee c= hairman, the party agreed that starting in July it would limit debates to= one a month through the end of the year. Yet while small, locally operat= ed colleges represent the immediate competition to public universities, t= he more significant contributor to diversity may arrive from overseas. Da= vid Beckmann, president of the Alliance to End Hunger, who tried to arran= ge a June candidate forum. In this comedy, a cop assumes a new identity i= n his valiant battle against crime: an elderly grandmother. That we were able to go back and ask the right questions, In the past twe= lve months, two of these three have succumbed to the =91logic=92 of the f= unding system and will merge with larger institutions. It=92s a way to sh= irk their responsibilities as full-fledged candidates. It was the first s= uccessful demonstration of an antisatellite missile by any country in mor= e than 20 years. Had the United States been willing to discuss the military use of space w= ith the Chinese in Geneva, that might have been enough to dissuade them f= rom going through with it, said Jeffrey G. The winner will receive $10,00= 0, making it one of the world=92s most lucrative essay prizes. I knew it = was there, but we had lost touch with it. On receiving the judges=92 cong= ratulations for his dark, evocative poem, Alex Skovron commented: =91I=92= m delighted and honoured to be this year=92s recipient of the prize. Univ= ersity campuses have become a familiar sight in most Australian towns and= cities, and overall participation in higher learning has risen sharply. Seduction comes into it =96 biographer, subject, copyright holders, the i= nevitable widows and grandsons =96 but so too do all sorts of subjective = factors: stamina, availability, finances, sheer interest. Caroline Lurie = was Elizabeth Jolley' s agent. The improvement in service has been so minimal that a new joke has taken = hold =97 Please Hold Candle. The closing date is August 31, and the winne= r will be announced in December 2007. It can be achieved within the const= raints of present overall budgets. I knew it was there, but we had lost t= ouch with it. Activist filmmaker Michael Moore turns his attentions towar= ds the topic of health care in the United States in this documentary that= weighs the plight of the uninsured against the record profits of the pha= rmaceutical industry. On receiving the judges=92 congratulations for his = dark, evocative poem, Alex Skovron commented: =91I=92m delighted and hono= ured to be this year=92s recipient of the prize. When we first started st= udying life stories, people thought it was just idle curiosity =97 storie= s, isn=92t that cool? We need Buhari, only Buhari, the young men shouted, wild-eyed as they enc= ircled a foreign journalist and photographer, half menacing and half embr= acing, as they pressed their grievances. The findings suggest that psycho= therapy, when it is effective, gives people who are feeling helpless a se= nse of their own power, in effect altering their life story even as they = work to disarm their own demons, Mr.Adler said. So the available informat= ion is surprising. The director for global migration and quarantine at the federal Centers f= or Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, found reason for optimism i= n the study results. Six books have been shortlisted for the National Bio= graphy Award.Much has been made of the film=92s look, and it=92s easy to = see why. It can be achieved within the constraints of present overall bud= gets. From unions, advocates for the homeless, church groups, black Democ= rats, Hispanic Democrats, Jewish Democrats and an association of big-city= mayors. Institutional size varied from vast, multi-campus enterprise pla= yers, such as RMIT, to small colleges with just a few hundred students. F= erguson said, we would start a crash program to make a vaccine. The book opens in 1935, when Niall was five years old. Even a project of = this size =97 especially a project of this size =97 has to have a Plan B = in case it has to move forward without the critics. Daniele were to take = charge =97 as was the plan =97 the team would need to make room, and thou= gh much of his choreography remains, Mr. He is a textile manufacturer in = Kano, and his factory used to produce 3,000 cotton jersey garments a day.= Plouffe said as he calculated the diminished minutes left for his candida= te. The critic for The Tribune who had been negative but encouraging in h= is review of the show in Chicago, saw it again in New York and said big p= roblems remained. Far from building a unified country aimed at the greate= st good for all, Nigeria has instead become an every-man-for-himself nati= on. And our careers were intertwined, otherwise we might never have met. = Hope=92s young English Department in Canberra and writing her MA on Edith= Wharton. Although these early books enjoyed considerable success, Niall was consci= ous of biography=92s marginal status in the academy. That we were able to= go back and ask the right questions, But it should prompt frank discussion about nutrition. Death stalked the = Niall family: several uncles died in quick succession, all young. When I = called to ask, our Rolling Hills Community Association told me that my la= undry had to be completely hidden in an enclosure approved by its board o= f directors. The Flinders class of 1966 was dominated by males drawn from= the middle class. How to provide for so many new students? I knew it was= there, but we had lost touch with it. It was the first successful demons= tration of an antisatellite missile by any country in more than 20 years. In a competitive world, thirty-seven public universities all offering a v= ery similar form of education is, at the very least, a high-risk strategy= Of course, the situation has changed immeasurably in the years since th= en. The closing date is August 31, and the winner will be announced in De= cember 2007. Much has been made of the film=92s look, and it=92s easy to see why. It m= akes a mockery of China=92s space weapons diplomacy, he said. ------=_NextPart_C6B_1BD8_1B809E93.F3FB9015 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    3D""= I've been thinking of you Karla,
    It only takes 15 minutes to be a= man again :

    Plouffe said as he calculated the diminished minutes left for his cand= idate. The shadow minister at the time, Jenny Macklin, expressed similar = views. Micro-management from Canberra is the enemy of variety. And our ca= reers were intertwined, otherwise we might never have met. I recognised y= ou, dear Elizabeth, and I thank you for all that you were in life and for= leaving behind an inspiring body of work for us to remember you by.
    David Beckmann, president of the Alliance to End Hunger, who tried to arr= ange a June candidate forum. Manning Clark encourages her: =91I must tell= you, Brenda. They described their problem, whether depression or an eati= ng disorder, as coming on suddenly, as if out of nowhere. Three times in = the past forty years, ministers of education have embraced bold higher ed= ucation policy moves: the joint efforts of state and federal governments = in the 1960s that created a string of universities, including Flinders; t= he free education and system expansion triggered by the Whitlam governmen= t; and the further expansion, a unified national system and HECS under Jo= hn Dawkins.
    Death stalked the Niall family: several uncles died in quick succession, = all young. By the time the Dawkins wave of mergers concluded in the early= 1990s, sixty-three higher education providers had become thirty-six univ= ersities, many with multiple campuses. So from 2007 the VCA will become a= faculty of the University of Melbourne rather than the independent =91un= iversity of arts=92 sometimes evoked as a government aspiration. Matheson= , was reported as saying: =91I speak =85 as one who has tried =96 who ind= eed came to this country with the avowed intention of trying =96 to produ= ce a university different in character from the other university in the c= ity in which Monash is located. We might treasure the past, but it is tim= e to shape the future.
    analysis had found an added risk affecting about two in 100 patients. The= box, possibly introduced to pacify the infant subject, had worked: art, = depiction, commemoration could proceed.
    Now people are thinking more about different ways they can use them. Some= of his own treehouses, he said, are used for weddings, tai chi and Alcoh= olics Anonymous meetings. In a competitive world, thirty-seven public uni= versities all offering a very similar form of education is, at the very l= east, a high-risk strategy. When I called to ask, our Rolling Hills Commu= nity Association told me that my laundry had to be completely hidden in a= n enclosure approved by its board of directors. The Flinders class of 196= 6 was dominated by males drawn from the middle class. From unions, advoca= tes for the homeless, church groups, black Democrats, Hispanic Democrats,= Jewish Democrats and an association of big-city mayors. Election officia= ls gave themselves high marks on Sunday for the handling of the polls, bu= t their comments were in sharp contrast to assessments of international o= bservers.
    In the studies involving depression, 61 percent of patients improved whil= e on antidepressants. Seduction comes into it =96 biographer, subject, co= pyright holders, the inevitable widows and grandsons =96 but so too do al= l sorts of subjective factors: stamina, availability, finances, sheer int= erest. Access initiatives lifted the number of indigenous Australians goi= ng to university, while women and people of non-English speaking backgrou= nd achieved rates of participation at or exceeding their percentage of th= e population.
    Galati asked the producers to bring in Graciela Daniele to rework the mus= ical staging. So the administration=92s decision was to monitor China=92s= preparations and draft a protest that could be delivered after the test.= The wedding party was wonderful until the best man collapsed from drink. = After a private dinner of Democratic campaign managers at a Washington st= eakhouse last month with Howard Dean, the Democratic National Committee c= hairman, the party agreed that starting in July it would limit debates to= one a month through the end of the year. Yet while small, locally operat= ed colleges represent the immediate competition to public universities, t= he more significant contributor to diversity may arrive from overseas. Da= vid Beckmann, president of the Alliance to End Hunger, who tried to arran= ge a June candidate forum. In this comedy, a cop assumes a new identity i= n his valiant battle against crime: an elderly grandmother.
    That we were able to go back and ask the right questions, In the past twe= lve months, two of these three have succumbed to the =91logic=92 of the f= unding system and will merge with larger institutions. It=92s a way to sh= irk their responsibilities as full-fledged candidates. It was the first s= uccessful demonstration of an antisatellite missile by any country in mor= e than 20 years.
    Had the United States been willing to discuss the military use of space w= ith the Chinese in Geneva, that might have been enough to dissuade them f= rom going through with it, said Jeffrey G. The winner will receive $10,00= 0, making it one of the world=92s most lucrative essay prizes. I knew it = was there, but we had lost touch with it. On receiving the judges=92 cong= ratulations for his dark, evocative poem, Alex Skovron commented: =91I=92= m delighted and honoured to be this year=92s recipient of the prize. Univ= ersity campuses have become a familiar sight in most Australian towns and= cities, and overall participation in higher learning has risen sharply.<= BR> Seduction comes into it =96 biographer, subject, copyright holders, the i= nevitable widows and grandsons =96 but so too do all sorts of subjective = factors: stamina, availability, finances, sheer interest. Caroline Lurie = was Elizabeth Jolley' s agent.
    The improvement in service has been so minimal that a new joke has taken = hold =97 Please Hold Candle. The closing date is August 31, and the winne= r will be announced in December 2007. It can be achieved within the const= raints of present overall budgets. I knew it was there, but we had lost t= ouch with it. Activist filmmaker Michael Moore turns his attentions towar= ds the topic of health care in the United States in this documentary that= weighs the plight of the uninsured against the record profits of the pha= rmaceutical industry. On receiving the judges=92 congratulations for his = dark, evocative poem, Alex Skovron commented: =91I=92m delighted and hono= ured to be this year=92s recipient of the prize. When we first started st= udying life stories, people thought it was just idle curiosity =97 storie= s, isn=92t that cool?
    We need Buhari, only Buhari, the young men shouted, wild-eyed as they enc= ircled a foreign journalist and photographer, half menacing and half embr= acing, as they pressed their grievances. The findings suggest that psycho= therapy, when it is effective, gives people who are feeling helpless a se= nse of their own power, in effect altering their life story even as they = work to disarm their own demons, Mr.Adler said. So the available informat= ion is surprising.
    The director for global migration and quarantine at the federal Centers f= or Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, found reason for optimism i= n the study results. Six books have been shortlisted for the National Bio= graphy Award.Much has been made of the film=92s look, and it=92s easy to = see why. It can be achieved within the constraints of present overall bud= gets. From unions, advocates for the homeless, church groups, black Democ= rats, Hispanic Democrats, Jewish Democrats and an association of big-city= mayors. Institutional size varied from vast, multi-campus enterprise pla= yers, such as RMIT, to small colleges with just a few hundred students. F= erguson said, we would start a crash program to make a vaccine.
    The book opens in 1935, when Niall was five years old. Even a project of = this size =97 especially a project of this size =97 has to have a Plan B = in case it has to move forward without the critics. Daniele were to take = charge =97 as was the plan =97 the team would need to make room, and thou= gh much of his choreography remains, Mr. He is a textile manufacturer in = Kano, and his factory used to produce 3,000 cotton jersey garments a day.=
    Plouffe said as he calculated the diminished minutes left for his candida= te. The critic for The Tribune who had been negative but encouraging in h= is review of the show in Chicago, saw it again in New York and said big p= roblems remained. Far from building a unified country aimed at the greate= st good for all, Nigeria has instead become an every-man-for-himself nati= on. And our careers were intertwined, otherwise we might never have met. = Hope=92s young English Department in Canberra and writing her MA on Edith= Wharton.
    Although these early books enjoyed considerable success, Niall was consci= ous of biography=92s marginal status in the academy. That we were able to= go back and ask the right questions,
    But it should prompt frank discussion about nutrition. Death stalked the = Niall family: several uncles died in quick succession, all young. When I = called to ask, our Rolling Hills Community Association told me that my la= undry had to be completely hidden in an enclosure approved by its board o= f directors. The Flinders class of 1966 was dominated by males drawn from= the middle class. How to provide for so many new students? I knew it was= there, but we had lost touch with it. It was the first successful demons= tration of an antisatellite missile by any country in more than 20 years.=
    In a competitive world, thirty-seven public universities all offering a v= ery similar form of education is, at the very least, a high-risk strategy= Of course, the situation has changed immeasurably in the years since th= en. The closing date is August 31, and the winner will be announced in De= cember 2007.
    Much has been made of the film=92s look, and it=92s easy to see why. It m= akes a mockery of China=92s space weapons diplomacy, he said.

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    Hi there,
     
    Configured STP (SG) with RC=9 and AS (my Application) with RC=9.
    It is static Registartion.
     
    The every outgoing message (DATA) from STP, MSC, SCP..etc towards my application (ASP) has a RC value.
    Is it compulsory that my application (ASP) should also use RC for all outgoing messages (DATA)  towards, say, MSC, SCP, STP...etc
     
    If yes Why? and
    If not Why?
     
    Application comes up and is in Sync with SG (STP).
    When message (DATA) from ASP without RC parameter sent to STP (SG), SG says unavailable/mismathcing RC.
    Even though RC is mandatory parameter in DATA message. (RFC 3332).
     
    --
    Thanks,
    Mahantesh
    ------=_Part_7953_26920231.1200356599284-- --===============0375855563== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0375855563==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 15 03:51:40 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEhWD-0000fH-4n; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:51:37 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JEhWA-0000f7-Tw for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:51:35 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEhWA-0000ez-K5 for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:51:34 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.177]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEhWA-00086w-8Y for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:51:34 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k40so5390419wah.25 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=ru7XvZoJWmU6Ba2kda9pvoWPQWTDLcwPNZK9tS0ruNg=; b=JpvA15VkyGtlSKbk/SLmJinOsA0x/UzPJCyPRnBAtw25lfMTbiMyhnVOTfeyNfHN2JK/NNs7CWInXJMD/L/0oaWULhMfGO/mPGcigpPH1lNAxxV+q3aMKx9ukUsmFUCAR2SYbEpuBuEMSYygpabzITOCINbbBHvaiDHqVdZumlw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IxGTmFV17QbSpxYrAkCklQsnYN0jX+pw5tGZ7XN2Xpo0IIyYOBlS41FHrbHmt+iLfH3sLw9x9O3Twrp4uIGpGXkozkZTSCuOxpO2TTUSXCdr4H0ksQb1NPJnVKyJfsSxdN2Ed/73QqW6F29DdsGgf1Eyob7DNzC+PRxfNaF4VuA= Received: by 10.115.79.1 with SMTP id g1mr1053462wal.2.1200387093253; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.27.13 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:51:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:51:33 +0100 From: "Lee Dryburgh" To: sigtran@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Subject: [Sigtran] Sigtran or MTP interconnect? X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org An issue has arisen in relation to the emerging communications conference (www.eCommMedia.com); the short of it is - are people still doing MTP interconnects? If so why? To be more specific, are people still building boxes then going to incumbents around the world, running thru tests (Q.78x) to get them certified at high cost etc. in each country? Or do all incumbents in developed nations now accept Sigtran for signlling interconnect? Any experiences would be welcome. I know in the States that Verisign has supported Sigtran interconnects for around 5 years, but I wonder what the case is, specifically in Belgium? Leaving aside the incumbent issue (i.e. do they accept SigTran interconnects on the whole) - does anyone see an advantage of using MTP? Thanks in advance. Lee _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From herkim@3milenium.com.br Tue Jan 15 06:26:47 2008 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEjwN-0004ps-GC for sigtran-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:26:47 -0500 Received: from ppp-221-56.21-151.libero.it ([151.21.56.221]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEjwM-00088D-VM for sigtran-archive@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:26:47 -0500 Received: from Mediolanum2 ([123.162.170.111]:4766 "EHLO Mediolanum2" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by ppp-221-56.21-151.libero.it with ESMTP id S22AXUVVETHYDLCT (ORCPT ); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:27:07 +0100 Message-ID: <96AD3305.9A86F0AA@3milenium.com.br> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:26:37 +0100 From: "herkim shadrick" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sigtran-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: yohb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 YOU ARE THE LUCKIEST, GET YOUR 1000 EURO http://www.rebroun.net/
    From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 15 10:02:14 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEnIn-0006NJ-S7; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:02:09 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JEnIm-0006Js-Nx for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:02:08 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEnIm-0006Jj-Cs for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:02:08 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEnIj-00040F-V2 for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:02:08 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:WSk7F8AZmoE0OsTbTXEy5KbiaP0SG14i@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0FF1tI11817; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:01:56 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id m0FF1sI18930; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:01:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:01:54 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Lee Dryburgh Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Sigtran or MTP interconnect? Message-ID: <20080115080154.A18716@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Lee Dryburgh , sigtran@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from dryburghl@gmail.com on Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:51:33AM +0100 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Lee, Lee Dryburgh wrote: (Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:51:33) > An issue has arisen in relation to the emerging communications > conference (www.eCommMedia.com); the short of it is - are people still > doing MTP interconnects? Yes. > If so why? Because that is how phone switches tend to talk to each other. > To be more specific, are people still building boxes then going to > incumbents around the world, running thru tests (Q.78x) to get them > certified at high cost etc. in each country? Many boxes (SS7 stacks) where built many years ago an are already certified. Certified SS7 stack software is available to be used in new designs without the additional costs. > Or do all incumbents in developed nations now accept Sigtran for signlling > interconnect? No. > Any experiences would be welcome. I know in the States that > Verisign has supported Sigtran interconnects for around 5 years, but I > wonder what the case is, specifically in Belgium? M3UA has been a GSM standard for over 5 years as well. > Leaving aside the incumbent issue (i.e. do they accept SigTran > interconnects on the whole) - does anyone see an advantage of using > MTP? Advantage: it works. SIGTRAN does not avoid the use of SS7 stacks (it is not a complete signalling protocol stack of its own), it just provides a way to distribute that stack over mutliple boxes or a way for two SS7 stacks to communicate over IP instead of TDM links. If anything it adds more complexity to an SS7 interconnection rather than removing it. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 15 11:10:34 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JEoMz-0005q8-Bg; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:10:33 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKLX-0005Ad-1I for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:54:55 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKLW-0005AV-ND for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:54:54 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JDKLW-0007f8-E7 for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:54:54 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JDKLV-00007X-Qm for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:54:53 -0800 Message-ID: <14755015.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:54:53 -0800 (PST) From: Shmelev Kirill To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: [Sigtran] Should ABORT chunks be sent when SCTP endpoint is destroyed? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: shkir1@email.ru X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:10:31 -0500 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi, experts! Please, help me with understanding of one important aspect of SCTP functionality. When user decides to destroy an SCTP endpoint, it sends ULP primitive DESTROY. Upon recieving of this primitive, SCTP should simply destroy concerned endpoint (according to RFC 4960, ch. 10.1, letter P). The question is - should the associations used by this endpoint be terminated also? 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I have subscribed for Notifications. However, i am not getting any notification when sctp association is established or peer is shutdown. Is there any correction in my method of subscription? setsockopt system call is returning success. i used getsockopt to verify the same. struct sockaddr_in stSrcIPAddress; socklen_t Addlen=sizeof(sockaddr_in); int iFlags=-1,iRet=-1; struct sctp_sndrcvinfo sndrcvinfo; struct sctp_event_subscribe events; memset( (void *)&events, 0, sizeof(events) ); events.sctp_data_io_event = 1; events.sctp_association_event = 1; events.sctp_send_failure_event = 1; events.sctp_shutdown_event = 1; events.sctp_peer_error_event = 1; ret = setsockopt( iconnSock, IPPROTO_SCTP, SCTP_EVENTS,(const void *)&events, sizeof(events) ); while(1) { iRet = sctp_recvmsg(iconnSock, (void *)pacbuffer,600, (struct sockaddr *)&stSrcIPAddress, &Addlen, &sndrcvinfo, &iFlags ); if ( iRet < 0) { } if(iFlags & MSG_NOTIFICATION )//Notification/event is received. { } if (iRet> 0) { } } with regards, senthil ------=_Part_32877_8146781.1197594439229 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi,

        I am using SCTP(libsctp) in linux 2.6.9. I have subscribed for Notifications. However, i am not getting any notification when sctp association is established or peer is shutdown. Is there any correction in my method of subscription? setsockopt system call is returning success. i used getsockopt to verify the same.

          struct sockaddr_in stSrcIPAddress;
          socklen_t  Addlen=sizeof(sockaddr_in);
          int  iFlags=-1,iRet=-1;
        
          struct sctp_sndrcvinfo sndrcvinfo;
          struct sctp_event_subscribe events;

      memset( (void *)&events, 0, sizeof(events) );
      events.sctp_data_io_event = 1;
      events.sctp_association_event = 1;
      events.sctp_send_failure_event = 1;
      events.sctp_shutdown_event = 1;
      events.sctp_peer_error_event = 1;
            
      ret = setsockopt( iconnSock, IPPROTO_SCTP, SCTP_EVENTS,(const void *)&events, sizeof(events) );
      while(1)
      {
        iRet = sctp_recvmsg(iconnSock, (void *)pacbuffer,600, (struct sockaddr *)&stSrcIPAddress, &Addlen, &sndrcvinfo, &iFlags );
        if ( iRet < 0)
        {
        }
        if(iFlags & MSG_NOTIFICATION )//Notification/event is received.
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    }

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G. Bidulock" To: Shmelev Kirill Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Should ABORT chunks be sent when SCTP endpoint is destroyed? Message-ID: <20080115092401.A20459@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Shmelev Kirill , sigtran@ietf.org References: <14755015.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <14755015.post@talk.nabble.com>; from shkir1@email.ru on Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 05:54:53AM -0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Shmelev, Shmelev Kirill wrote: (Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:54:53) > > Hi, experts! > Please, help me with understanding of one important aspect of SCTP > functionality. > When user decides to destroy an SCTP endpoint, it sends ULP primitive > DESTROY. 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G. Bidulock" To: Sulakshan Vajipayajula Subject: Re: [Sigtran] SUA IP+SSN based routing and load sharing. Message-ID: <20080123133529.A32549@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Sulakshan Vajipayajula , sigtran@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from sulaxan@ulticom.com on Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 12:37:11PM -0500 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Sulakshan, IP+SSN never made any sense to me, but there is no requirement for the IP to be the same as any IP belonging to any SCTP association: the IP address simply identifies an SCCP endpoint in the same manner as an point code. So IP+SSN is the same as PC+SSN except the IP represents the end point instead of the PC. Or, for IPv4, consider an IP address as effectively a 32-bit point code. --brian Sulakshan Vajipayajula wrote: (Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:37:11) > > Hello All, > > > I need some clarifications from the experts on understanding the > IP+SSN based RKEYS operating in LOADSHARE mode. > > > How should a (IP+SSN based) RKEY be defined if it is shared among > multiple ASPs (multiple SCTP associations) with in an Application > server. Each ASP (SCTP association) has different IP address than the > one defined in the RKEY. Can we even define an IP+SSN based RKEY in > LOADSHARE mode? > > > For SUA CORE (connection_request) message containing a destination > address (IP+SSN), is it ok if the destination address differs from the > IP address in the SCTP association. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > Sulakshan > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 23 15:45:56 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHmTr-00064W-Fu; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:45:55 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JHmTq-00063J-3B for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:45:54 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHmTp-00063B-O2 for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:45:53 -0500 Received: from ns7.comverse.com ([192.118.49.221]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JHmTp-00011g-6O for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:45:53 -0500 X-SBRS: None X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,240,1199656800"; d="scan'208";a="65264129" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Sigtran] SUA IP+SSN based routing and load sharing. Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <849535E338E99741B7F7413F73253EDB07EBA0A7@us-nj-mail1.comverse.com> In-Reply-To: <20080123133529.A32549@openss7.org> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Sigtran] SUA IP+SSN based routing and load sharing. Thread-Index: Achd/9JhAaYmYeYvRjmcK0HwWdfyyAAADcYg References: <20080123133529.A32549@openss7.org> From: "Haresign Lincoln" To: , "Sulakshan Vajipayajula" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10ba05e7e8a9aa6adb025f426bef3a30 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Brian, I agree. Perhaps the AS represents a "virtual IP" that is being used by all the ASPs in the AS if loadshare is the routing mode in an SG/AS relationship. =20 It is my understanding that 3GPP is pushing SUA with SSN & IP as the Routing Keys as the preferred method so as that a packet can clearly be traced from source to destination. However, if loadshare and Virtual IP were being used, this would tend to defeat at least one leg of the path (perhaps there is only one leg if there are no SCCP relay points). Perhaps the intention is to use SSN/IP in an ALL IP network (no SG, therefore no loadshare mode). In this case, perhaps it makes sense. Regards, Lincoln -----Original Message----- From: Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: Sulakshan Vajipayajula Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] SUA IP+SSN based routing and load sharing. Sulakshan, IP+SSN never made any sense to me, but there is no requirement for the IP to be the same as any IP belonging to any SCTP association: the IP address simply identifies an SCCP endpoint in the same manner as an point code. So IP+SSN is the same as PC+SSN except the IP represents the end point instead of the PC. Or, for IPv4, consider an IP address as effectively a 32-bit point code. --brian Sulakshan Vajipayajula wrote: (Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:37:11) >=20 > Hello All, >=20 >=20 > I need some clarifications from the experts on understanding the > IP+SSN based RKEYS operating in LOADSHARE mode. >=20 >=20 > How should a (IP+SSN based) RKEY be defined if it is shared among > multiple ASPs (multiple SCTP associations) with in an Application > server. Each ASP (SCTP association) has different IP address than the > one defined in the RKEY. Can we even define an IP+SSN based RKEY in > LOADSHARE mode? >=20 >=20 > For SUA CORE (connection_request) message containing a destination > address (IP+SSN), is it ok if the destination address differs from the > IP address in the SCTP association. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 >=20 > Sulakshan > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. 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Message-ID: <20080123140731.A32681@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Haresign Lincoln , Sulakshan Vajipayajula , sigtran@ietf.org References: <20080123133529.A32549@openss7.org> <849535E338E99741B7F7413F73253EDB07EBA0A7@us-nj-mail1.comverse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <849535E338E99741B7F7413F73253EDB07EBA0A7@us-nj-mail1.comverse.com>; from Lincoln.Haresign@comverse.com on Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 03:44:10PM -0500 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Haresign, Haresign Lincoln wrote: (Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:44:10) > > Perhaps the intention is to use SSN/IP in an ALL IP network (no SG, > therefore no loadshare mode). In this case, perhaps it makes sense. Yes, the purpose for IP+SSN was in an all-IP network (SUA nodes operating as relay nodes or IPSP nodes) and what it avoids would be arbitrarily assigning an SS7 point code to a node that never sees an SS7 network (what numbering authority would you get that from)? Perhaps hostname+SSN would have made more sense in an all-IP network, but there is no hostname+SSN, just hostname. Where it never made sense to me was using SUA at all in an all-IP network. Something more like ITU-T's TI-SCCP (Q.2220) using the Generic Signalling Transport Service (see Q.2150.0, Q.2150.1, Q.2150.2 and, for SCTP, Q.2150.3) makes more sense to me. --brian -- Brian F. G. 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    Poonthalir Selvan,
     
    Have you read=20 the M3UA RFC?  I think this specification does a pretty good job of = describing where this parameter is specified and what it's use is = (similar to=20 NI)
     
    Regards,
    Lincoln


    From:=20 Poonthalirselvan.Subramanian@relianceada.com=20 [mailto:Poonthalirselvan.Subramanian@relianceada.com]
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    Dear = All

    I want to know what is the Actual function of = the NA=20 (Network Appearance) parameter in the SCTP M3UA = Associations.

    Also  I want to know in which layer of = the SCTP=20 packet this NA parameter resides. We already have NI (Network Indicator) = parameter in the

    SS7 MTP3=20 part.
    What is difference = between the NI=20 and NA parameters?


    Thanks &=20 Regards,
    Poonthalir Selvan



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Sometimes it is more preferrable than closing SCTP association, since the connection will not be closed until ASPDN_ACK is received -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Can-SGP-send-ASPDN-or-ASPUP-messages--tp14914300p14914300.html Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 28 16:29:29 2008 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJbXj-0002ol-Bi; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:29:27 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JJbXg-0002SP-Ta for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:29:24 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJbXg-0002Pa-HI for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:29:24 -0500 Received: from mail1.adax.com ([208.201.231.104]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJbXe-0006Hl-Mc for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:29:24 -0500 Received: from adax (adax [12.0.0.88]) by mail1.adax.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F5F3D98; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by adax (Postfix, from userid 243) id 6B1D738051; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adax (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A664C072; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:29:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:29:56 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Benson X-X-Sender: cbenson@adax To: Shmelev Kirill Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Can SGP send ASPDN or ASPUP messages? In-Reply-To: <14914300.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Shmelev, A procedure that has been used in M3UA is that the SGP will send an ASP-Inactive-Ack without receiving an ASP Inactive message first. I believe this has the same eventual result that you desire. ASP Inactive and ASP Down messages *FROM* an SGP, are not recognized message types in that direction, and so cannot and should not be used. With thanks, from Chris Benson. 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G. Bidulock" To: Christopher Benson Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Can SGP send ASPDN or ASPUP messages? Message-ID: <20080128181234.A7476@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Benson , Shmelev Kirill , sigtran@ietf.org References: <14914300.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from cbenson@adax.com on Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 01:29:56PM -0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org, Shmelev Kirill X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Christopher, The SGP may also send unsolicited ASP Down Ack, which is quicker than many ASP Inactive Acks. --brian Christopher Benson wrote: (Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:29:56) > Hi Shmelev, > > A procedure that has been used in M3UA is that the SGP > will send an ASP-Inactive-Ack without receiving an ASP > Inactive message first. I believe this has the same > eventual result that you desire. > > ASP Inactive and ASP Down messages *FROM* an SGP, are not > recognized message types in that direction, and so cannot > and should not be used. > > With thanks, from Chris Benson. > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Shmelev Kirill wrote: > > >> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:25:28 -0800 (PST) > >> From: Shmelev Kirill > >> To: sigtran@ietf.org > >> Subject: [Sigtran] Can SGP send ASPDN or ASPUP messages? > >> > >> > >> Hi, experts! > >> > >> Can SGP (or server in broader meaning) ever send ASPDN message? 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