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    The cinematographer, Sean Kirby, has done some striking work here. The prowling camera and dusky colors give much of “Zoo,” which opens with the portentous image of what appear to be miners emerging from a tunnel, a sumptuous, almost velvety look and vibe, an effect enhanced by the repeated use of slow-motion photography.

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Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:09:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Barry Nagelberg" To: "Lyndon Ong" Subject: RE: [Sigtran] M2UA Implementor's Guide Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:09:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20031203155303.02a5d0a0@cia.cisco.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: Ken Morneault , SIGTRAN Mailing List X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Lyndon, As per Ken's request (see below), I have submitted a draft of an M2UA Implementor's Guide to the IETF. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_96A24_01C82040.A7CD6230-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 06 02:21:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpIk4-0001oF-Uu; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:20:56 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1In79b-0001Ti-Om for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:34:15 -0400 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1In79b-0001QO-Cn for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:34:15 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1In77O-0000Gb-O0 for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:31:58 -0400 Received: from mail.mera.ru ([195.98.57.161]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1In77F-00039n-8i for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:31:55 -0400 Received: from drweb by mail.mera.ru with drweb-scanned (Exim 4.34; FreeBSD) id 1In76u-0009HH-3H for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:31:28 +0300 Received: from tegw.mera.ru ([192.168.20.11] helo=texmail.te.mera.ru) by mail.mera.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.34; FreeBSD) id 1In76t-0009H5-SJ for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:31:27 +0300 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:31:25 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: DRST message handling Thread-Index: Acgbh6kr4j5wmMHwQcW/2XyLFKXO9g== From: "Shmelev, Kirill" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bc6181926481d86059e678c9f7cb8b34 X-TMDA-Confirmed: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:34:15 -0400 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 02:20:56 -0500 Subject: [Sigtran] DRST message handling X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1190364234==" Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1190364234== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C81B87.A95BB5FC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C81B87.A95BB5FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 =20 I have doubts about the DRST message. Judging from RFC4666, one can say, that DRST is somewhat similar to the TFR message.=20 The extract from Q.704 (ch. 13.4.3) says: =20 "When a signalling point receives a transfer-restricted message from signalling transfer point Y and has an alternative equal priority link set available and not restricted to destination X, it performs the actions in 8.2." =20 While RFC4666 (ch. 3.4.6) believes: "The M3UA layer at the ASP is expected to send traffic to the affected destination via an alternate SG with a route of equal priority, but only if such an alternate route exists and is available" =20 The difference is in the state of an alternative route, Q.704 proposes to take into account restricted routes in addition to available ones, while RFC4666 denies usage of restricted routes. Am I right? If yes, then, why the restricted routes are removed? =20 It is quite important for us, in spite of the seeming insignificance of the matter.=20 =20 Looking forward to see an answer =20 Thank in advance, Shmelev Kirill,=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C81B87.A95BB5FC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi,

     

    I have doubts about the DRST message. Judging = from RFC4666, one can say, that DRST is somewhat similar to the TFR message. =

    The extract from Q.704 (ch. 13.4.3) = says:

     

    “When a signalling point receives a transfer-restricted = message from signalling transfer point Y and has an alternative equal priority link = set available and not restricted to destination X, it performs the actions = in 8.2.”

     

    While RFC4666 (ch. 3.4.6) believes:

    “The M3UA layer at the ASP is expected = to send traffic to the affected destination via an alternate SG with a route of = equal priority, but only if such an alternate route exists and is = available”

     

    The difference is in the state of an = alternative route, Q.704 proposes to take into account restricted routes in addition = to available ones, while RFC4666 denies usage of restricted routes. Am I = right? If yes, then, why the restricted routes are = removed?

     

    It is quite important for us, in spite of the = seeming insignificance of the matter.

     

    Looking forward to see an = answer

     

    Thank in advance,

    Shmelev Kirill,

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    ------=_NextPart_000_81BA_01C8212E.DE590F90-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 07 06:19:51 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipiwo-0004Te-40; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:19:50 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipiwn-0004SW-8r for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:19:49 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipiwm-0004Qx-Ro for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:19:48 -0500 Received: from gc-na5.alcatel.fr ([64.208.49.5] helo=smail6.alcatel.fr) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ipiwl-0001hm-Nm for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:19:48 -0500 Received: from FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.76]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id lA7BIVg0014392; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:18:31 +0100 Received: from alcatel-lucent.com ([202.65.8.165]) by FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:19:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4731A714.6020309@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:52:52 -0500 From: Devayya BOPAIAH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040116 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mahantesh , sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] m3ua querry.. References: <47319640.7050705@alcatel-lucent.com> In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 11:19:43.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[18D86200:01C82130] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.84 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a069a8e8835d39ce36e425c148267a7b Cc: X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0096842083==" Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0096842083== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090208030705090301000705" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090208030705090301000705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mahantesh, Please see inline comments. regards, devayya Mahantesh wrote: > *Devayya,* > ** > > Find my comments inline > If it requires (comments) further more information...guys pls > append to it. > Thanks! > > *Rgds, > Mahantesh * > > On 11/7/07, *Devayya BOPAIAH* > wrote: > > Hi, > > We are testing the m3ua Implementation at the ASP side.(i.e MGC) > Other side is the testing equipment.(Consider this as a AS) > Also there is only one ASP in that AS. Traffic mode is loadshare. > > 1) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and If I send Notify with AS-INACTIVE > from test equipment, what should be the state of ASP ? > > > >>NTFY will be sent to all the ACTIVE ASPs in an AS. In your case, > it is the only one ASP in an AS so state shouldn't be distrubed (It > 'll be droped). Since it is the last ASP which was active and > moved to DOWN state, after AS-Pending timer expiry, AS will > automatically goes to DOWN > state. ASP is in DOWN state. It was never in ACTIVE state. > > > 2) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and if I send Notify with > AS-ACTIVE from > test equipment, what should be the state of the ASP ? > > > >>As ASP is in down state this msg will not be sent to it. No > change in the state. Since the AS is simulated by using the testing equipment. We can send any message. What should be the behaviour of ASP regarding the state ? > > 3) Suppose ASP has recieved ASP-UP-ACK message and if I send a Notify > with AS-ACTIVE message from test equipment what should be the > state of ASP ? > > > >> As ASP is in INACTIVE state this msg will not be sen to it.No > change in the state. Since the AS is simulated by using the testing equipment. We can send any message. What should be the behaviour of ASP regarding the state ? > > > Please clarify these ASAP... > > Thanks and Best regards, > devayya > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > > > > -- > Rgds, > Mahantesh | M9945363151@gmail.com | > Call: 9945363151, 9980941127 | > "Silence is a source of great strength" --------------090208030705090301000705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mahantesh,

    Please see inline comments.

    regards,
    devayya

    Mahantesh wrote:
    Devayya,
     
    Find my comments inline
    If it requires (comments) further more information...guys pls append to it.
    Thanks!
    Rgds,
    Mahantesh
     
    On 11/7/07, Devayya BOPAIAH <devayya.bopaiah@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
    Hi,

    We are testing the m3ua Implementation at the ASP side.(i.e MGC)
    Other side is the testing equipment.(Consider this as a AS)
    Also there is only one ASP in that AS. Traffic mode is loadshare.

    1) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and If I send Notify with AS-INACTIVE
    from test equipment, what should be the state of ASP ?
     
        >>NTFY will be sent to all the ACTIVE ASPs in an AS. In your case, it is the only one ASP in an  AS so state shouldn't be distrubed (It 'll be droped). Since it is the last ASP which was active and  
            moved to DOWN state, after AS-Pending timer expiry, AS will automatically goes to DOWN  
            state.
    ASP is in DOWN state. It was never in ACTIVE state.
     

    2) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and if I send Notify with AS-ACTIVE from
    test equipment, what should be the state of the ASP ?
     
       >>As ASP is in down state this msg will not be sent to it. No change in the state.
    Since the AS is simulated by using the testing equipment. We can send any message. What should be the behaviour of ASP regarding the state ?


    3) Suppose ASP has recieved ASP-UP-ACK message and if I send a Notify
    with AS-ACTIVE message from test equipment what should be the state of ASP ?
     
       >> As ASP is in INACTIVE state this msg will not be sen to it.No change in the state.
    Since the AS is simulated by using the testing equipment. We can send any message. What should be the behaviour of ASP regarding the state ?
     

    Please clarify these ASAP...

    Thanks and Best regards,
    devayya


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    Rgds,
    Mahantesh | M9945363151@gmail.com | Call: 9945363151, 9980941127 |
    "Silence is a source of great strength"

    --------------090208030705090301000705-- --===============0096842083== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============0096842083==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 07 07:39:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpkBM-0003iw-TO; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:38:56 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IpkBL-0003hu-Th for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:38:55 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpkBL-0003hQ-F6 for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:38:55 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IpkBK-0004Wm-H6 for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:38:55 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:kakomicLNH2rBMwx11FI7/9Xh/Kmryw4@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lA7Ccme00596; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:38:48 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lA7Cclu07767; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:38:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 05:38:47 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Devayya BOPAIAH Message-ID: <20071107053847.A5999@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Devayya BOPAIAH , sigtran@ietf.org References: <47319640.7050705@alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <47319640.7050705@alcatel-lucent.com>; from devayya.bopaiah@alcatel-lucent.com on Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 05:41:04AM -0500 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: [Sigtran] Re: m3ua querry.. X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Devayya, Devayya BOPAIAH wrote: (Wed, 07 Nov 2007 05:41:04) > Hi, > > We are testing the m3ua Implementation at the ASP side.(i.e MGC) > Other side is the testing equipment.(Consider this as a AS) > Also there is only one ASP in that AS. Traffic mode is loadshare. > > 1) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and If I send Notify with AS-INACTIVE > from test equipment, what should be the state of ASP ? RFC 4666 4.3.1 ... ASP-DOWN: The remote M3UA peer at the ASP/IPSP is unavailable, and/or the related SCTP association is down. Initially, all ASPs/IPSPs will be in this state. An ASP/IPSP in this state SHOULD NOT be sent any M3UA messages, with the exception of Heartbeat, ASP Down Ack, and Error messages. The ASP should stay in the ASP-DOWN state and send ERR(Unexpected Message). > > 2) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and if I send Notify with AS-ACTIVE from > test equipment, what should be the state of the ASP ? The ASP should stay in the ASP-DOWN state and send ERR(Unexpected Message). > > 3) Suppose ASP has recieved ASP-UP-ACK message and if I send a Notify > with AS-ACTIVE message from test equipment what should be the state of ASP ? RFC 4666 4.3.1 ... ASP-INACTIVE: The remote M3UA peer at the ASP/IPSP is available (and the related SCTP association is up), but application traffic is stopped. In this state, the ASP/IPSP SHOULD NOT be sent any DATA or SSNM messages for the AS for which the ASP/IPSP is inactive. The ASP should stay in the ASP-INACTIVE state for the AS: the peer has gone insane (it is sending AS-ACTIVE when no ASP is active for the AS), so informing local management might be an idea. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From NikkiambidextrousYeager@switchboard.com Fri Nov 09 00:28:27 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqMPr-00024O-7O; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:28:27 -0500 Received: from 71-219-200-76.clsp.qwest.net ([71.219.200.76] helo=elemental.domain.actdsltmp) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IqMPq-0004w2-Sg; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:28:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by host76612587.switchboard.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id 0kD4bi6p59.759951.Vv1.6K8.8226802049377 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:28:01 +0700 Message-ID: <178af01c82291$5650d740$6601a8c0@Elemental> From: "Chris Kyle" To: , =20

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    Devayya,
     
    Find my comments inline
    If it requires (comments) further more information...guys pls append to it.
    Thanks!
    Rgds,
    Mahantesh
     
    On 11/7/07, Devayya BOPAIAH <devayya.bopaiah@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
    Hi,

    We are testing the m3ua Implementation at the ASP side.(i.e MGC)
    Other side is the testing equipment.(Consider this as a AS)
    Also there is only one ASP in that AS. Traffic mode is loadshare.

    1) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and If I send Notify with AS-INACTIVE
    from test equipment, what should be the state of ASP ?
     
        >>NTFY will be sent to all the ACTIVE ASPs in an AS. In your case, it is the only one ASP in an  AS so state shouldn't be distrubed (It 'll be droped). Since it is the last ASP which was active and  
            moved to DOWN state, after AS-Pending timer expiry, AS will automatically goes to DOWN  
            state.
     

    2) Suppose ASP is in DOWN state and if I send Notify with AS-ACTIVE from
    test equipment, what should be the state of the ASP ?
     
       >>As ASP is in down state this msg will not be sent to it. No change in the state.

    3) Suppose ASP has recieved ASP-UP-ACK message and if I send a Notify
    with AS-ACTIVE message from test equipment what should be the state of ASP ?
     
       >> As ASP is in INACTIVE state this msg will not be sen to it.No change in the state.
     

    Please clarify these ASAP...

    Thanks and Best regards,
    devayya


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    Just curious,

    What happens suppose the second link status ready message sent by the peer is not recieved by the host, may be bacause of some network reasons ? I think this part is missing in rfc 4165.

    Thanks,
    devayya


    Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: 
    Dario,

Dario wrote:                                 (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:22:27)
  
    -X--snip--X-
  
    Could you please explain why the second Link Status Ready (stream 1) is
needed?
thanks!
Kind regards, Dario

    
    
To acknowledge the LSR sent from the other end and permit the peer to
again send MSUs.

--brian
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G. Bidulock" To: Devayya BOPAIAH Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071116004446.A30765@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Devayya BOPAIAH , Dario , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <473D1EE0.3080806@alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <473D1EE0.3080806@alcatel-lucent.com>; from devayya.bopaiah@alcatel-lucent.com on Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 11:38:56PM -0500 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Devayya, Devayya BOPAIAH wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:38:56) > > Brian, > Just curious, > What happens suppose the second link status ready message sent by the > peer is not recieved by the host, may be bacause of some network > reasons ? I think this part is missing in rfc 4165. SCTP is a reliable transport protocol: the message will arrive or the association will fail. In the later case, RFC 4165 provides the procedures in the event that a COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication is received by M2PA. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 03:56:35 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isx05-0007Ed-4x; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:56:33 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Isx04-0007EE-9Q for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:56:32 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isx03-0007Dd-UI for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:56:31 -0500 Received: from colt-na7.alcatel.fr ([62.23.212.7] helo=smail6.alcatel.fr) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isx03-0007ry-2k for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:56:31 -0500 Received: from FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.76]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/ICT) with ESMTP id lAG8tADC005898; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:55:10 +0100 Received: from alcatel-lucent.com ([202.65.8.165]) by FRVELSBHS04.ad2.ad.alcatel.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <473D62FD.1060500@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:29:33 -0500 From: Devayya BOPAIAH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040116 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bidulock@openss7.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <473D1EE0.3080806@alcatel-lucent.com> <20071116004446.A30765@openss7.org> In-Reply-To: <20071116004446.A30765@openss7.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2007 08:56:29.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[93C902D0:01C8282E] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 155.132.188.84 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0386892082==" Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0386892082== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080806060602070008090908" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080806060602070008090908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So does this mean that the m2pa need not maintain a timer for second link status ready and entirely depends on SCTP ?for closing the communication. ? regards, devayya Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: >Devayya, > >Devayya BOPAIAH wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:38:56) > > >> Brian, >> Just curious, >> What happens suppose the second link status ready message sent by the >> peer is not recieved by the host, may be bacause of some network >> reasons ? I think this part is missing in rfc 4165. >> >> > >SCTP is a reliable transport protocol: the message will >arrive or the association will fail. In the later case, >RFC 4165 provides the procedures in the event that a >COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication is received by M2PA. > >--brian > > > > --------------080806060602070008090908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So does this mean that the m2pa need not maintain a timer for second link status ready and entirely depends on SCTP ?for closing the communication. ?

    regards,
    devayya

    Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: 
    Devayya,

Devayya BOPAIAH wrote:           (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:38:56)
  
       Brian,
   Just curious,
   What  happens suppose the second link status ready message sent by the
   peer  is  not  recieved  by  the  host, may be bacause of some network
   reasons ? I think this part is missing in rfc 4165.
    
    
SCTP is a reliable transport protocol: the message will
arrive or the association will fail.  In the later case,
RFC 4165 provides the procedures in the event that a
COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication is received by M2PA.

--brian
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Bidulock" To: Devayya BOPAIAH Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071116023052.A32035@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Devayya BOPAIAH , Dario , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <473D1EE0.3080806@alcatel-lucent.com> <20071116004446.A30765@openss7.org> <473D62FD.1060500@alcatel-lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <473D62FD.1060500@alcatel-lucent.com>; from devayya.bopaiah@alcatel-lucent.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 04:29:33AM -0500 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Devayya, What timer? There is no timer defined by Q.703 nor RFC 4165 for this message in this circumstance. Nevertheless, if you want to run a timer of your own, I suppose you can. --brian Devayya BOPAIAH wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:29:33) > > So does this mean that the m2pa need not maintain a timer for second > link status ready and entirely depends on SCTP ?for closing the > communication. ? > regards, > devayya > Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Devayya, > > Devayya BOPAIAH wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:38:56) > > > Brian, > Just curious, > What happens suppose the second link status ready message sent by the > peer is not recieved by the host, may be bacause of some network > reasons ? I think this part is missing in rfc 4165. > > > SCTP is a reliable transport protocol: the message will > arrive or the association will fail. In the later case, > RFC 4165 provides the procedures in the event that a > COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication is received by M2PA. > > --brian > > > -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 05:04:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy3h-0002vP-6b; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:04:21 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy3g-0002uV-3D for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:04:20 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy3f-0002tr-PA for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:04:19 -0500 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.184]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy3c-0007j8-Fl for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:04:19 -0500 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so575358rvb for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:04:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=2gkr23L62HMFZycJw7q/b8X4K6tflRVsLbRyn2YOPfY=; b=q/JftwSsbW3SGqu7hQKqOrMVHZ8zgJOCYTbR4GaUeTROGObLk9Ev8qioYICenO+RlI6XUZM/eIMjg8DbEVgX8u8kyOCDsHNyYzMUez1OaYZ+Lw+y/7MGcFQ+rs06zEVKc2DR/ufNJgazdOcy8CEw73PlYk9Y+6v78Rgv0OM9t+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YQr+kWP2hTDtAO++ztTNnzbaYFCsr+Pn9/bo5SRgPHIB8itd8gI8QBe9pxlGnfseKallcUCFahW0jBuD/vGxYdXLHsQmoOd4TA/b/hFl1eMgFORWTR+Y2puqBCQSuCZAKWKnU7DIKqbgNWIKOcpcYxFpTrSc9dQVKr+sxqSPceo= Received: by 10.141.86.14 with SMTP id o14mr531645rvl.1195207455958; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:04:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.136.15 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:04:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1ac609990711160204o501eb895i600bbb748156e2dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:34:15 +0530 From: "Aditya Sehgal" To: sigtran@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Cc: adityasehgal@yahoo.com Subject: [Sigtran] RC & NA doubt X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi All, Section 3.6.1 of RFC M3UA 4666 states " If the Network Appearance is not specified and the Routing Key applies to all Network Appearances, then this Routing Key MUST be the only one registered for the association; that is, Routing Context is implied, and DATA and SSNM messages are discriminated on Network Appearance rather than on Routing Context. Where Network Appearance is not specified and there is only one Network Appearance, then Network Appearance is implied" It says Routing Key can apply to al Network Apperances. [An example scenario anyone??] However, further down in Section 3.7.1 while explaining ASP ACTIVE message, in Routing Context RFC states "Because an AS can only appear in one Network Appearance, the Network Appearance parameter is not required in the ASP Active message." and the AS is suppose to service a Routing Key. Isnt the RFC implying that a Routing Key can span multiple Network Apperances and later on implying the opposite. Please correct if there is a gap in my understanding? Thanks & Regards, Aditya Sehgal -- Don't take life too seriously....Nobody comes out alive anyway _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 05:07:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy6T-0000gj-Vj; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:07:13 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy6S-0000dH-JB for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:07:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy6S-0000d9-9X for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:07:12 -0500 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Isy6N-0007rS-Oy for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:07:12 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JRL00FSCG3KMM@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:06:57 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JRL00CBAG3JO0@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:06:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from c00111037 ([10.111.20.95]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JRL000AAG3IQO@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:06:55 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:06:54 +0800 From: Xiangsong Cui Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO To: Devayya BOPAIAH , bidulock@openss7.org Message-id: <00a001c82838$6a444dc0$5f146f0a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <473D1EE0.3080806@alcatel-lucent.com> <20071116004446.A30765@openss7.org> <473D62FD.1060500@alcatel-lucent.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7fa173a723009a6ca8ce575a65a5d813 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0875403136==" Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0875403136== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_M/BSUxps13eptjkWkMBaNA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_M/BSUxps13eptjkWkMBaNA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I think SCTP can ensure the messages be transferred without loss and wrong sequence( if required, in stream ), but SCTP CAN NOT ensure the messages be transferred in the time as ULP wished, which depend on the IP network. So, if the ULP want to do something related to the time, it need a timer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Devayya BOPAIAH To: bidulock@openss7.org Cc: sigtran@ietf.org Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO So does this mean that the m2pa need not maintain a timer for second link status ready and entirely depends on SCTP ?for closing the communication. ? regards, devayya Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: Devayya, Devayya BOPAIAH wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:38:56) Brian, Just curious, What happens suppose the second link status ready message sent by the peer is not recieved by the host, may be bacause of some network reasons ? I think this part is missing in rfc 4165. SCTP is a reliable transport protocol: the message will arrive or the association will fail. In the later case, RFC 4165 provides the procedures in the event that a COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication is received by M2PA. --brian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --Boundary_(ID_M/BSUxps13eptjkWkMBaNA) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
    I think SCTP can ensure the messages be transferred without loss and wrong sequence( if required, in stream ), but SCTP CAN NOT ensure the messages be transferred in the time as ULP wished, which depend on the IP network.
     
    So, if the ULP want to do something related to the time, it need a timer. 
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:29 PM
    Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO

    So does this mean that the m2pa need not maintain a timer for second link status ready and entirely depends on SCTP ?for closing the communication. ?

    regards,
    devayya

    Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: 
    Devayya,

Devayya BOPAIAH wrote:           (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:38:56)
  
       Brian,
   Just curious,
   What  happens suppose the second link status ready message sent by the
   peer  is  not  recieved  by  the  host, may be bacause of some network
   reasons ? I think this part is missing in rfc 4165.
    
    
SCTP is a reliable transport protocol: the message will
arrive or the association will fail.  In the later case,
RFC 4165 provides the procedures in the event that a
COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication is received by M2PA.

--brian

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G. Bidulock" To: Xiangsong Cui Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071116035045.B32258@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Xiangsong Cui , Devayya BOPAIAH , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <473D1EE0.3080806@alcatel-lucent.com> <20071116004446.A30765@openss7.org> <473D62FD.1060500@alcatel-lucent.com> <00a001c82838$6a444dc0$5f146f0a@china.huawei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <00a001c82838$6a444dc0$5f146f0a@china.huawei.com>; from Xiangsong.Cui@huawei.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 06:06:54PM +0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Xiangsong, Xiangsong Cui wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:06:54) > > I think SCTP can ensure the messages be transferred without loss and > wrong sequence( if required, in stream ), but SCTP CAN NOT ensure the > messages be transferred in the time as ULP wished, which depend on the > IP network. > > > > So, if the ULP want to do something related to the time, it need a > timer. > SCTP has many timers for this purpose. -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 05:56:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsysQ-00020r-Cv; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:56:46 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IsysN-0001zX-Lm for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:56:43 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsysN-0001zG-Bs for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:56:43 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IsysJ-0002GP-MO for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:56:43 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:qGChnQuvdvhN/FD0eEQGKq9OAYOEoX4F@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAGAuXe17884; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:56:33 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lAGAuWV00987; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:56:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:56:32 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Aditya Sehgal Subject: Re: [Sigtran] RC & NA doubt Message-ID: <20071116035632.C32258@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Aditya Sehgal , sigtran@ietf.org, adityasehgal@yahoo.com References: <1ac609990711160204o501eb895i600bbb748156e2dc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1ac609990711160204o501eb895i600bbb748156e2dc@mail.gmail.com>; from adi.aquarian@gmail.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 03:34:15PM +0530 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org, adityasehgal@yahoo.com X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Aditya, Aditya Sehgal wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:34:15) > Hi All, > > Section 3.6.1 of RFC M3UA 4666 states > > " If the Network Appearance is not specified and the Routing Key > applies to all Network Appearances, then this Routing Key MUST be the > only > one registered for the association; that is, Routing Context is > implied, and DATA and SSNM messages are discriminated on Network > Appearance rather than on Routing Context. Where Network Appearance > is not specified and there is only one Network > Appearance, then Network Appearance is implied" > > It says Routing Key can apply to al Network Apperances. [An example > scenario anyone??] > > However, further down in Section 3.7.1 while explaining ASP ACTIVE > message, in Routing Context RFC states > "Because an AS can only appear in one Network Appearance, the Network > Appearance parameter is not required in the ASP Active message." > > and the AS is suppose to service a Routing Key. > > Isnt the RFC implying that a Routing Key can span multiple Network > Apperances and later on implying the opposite. Please correct if there > is a gap in my understanding? Because Network Appearance is an abstract concept, there need be no difference between "one" an "all". (Said another way: there are no rules or constraints on the cardinality of network appearances.) But I agree the text is confusing. 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In SCCP for a connection-oriented message, the significance of Called and Calling Party addresses is related to the direction of the connection set-up (i.e. independent of the direction the message is going). Is there any difference in SUA CO messages for Source and Destination Address parameters with respect to this rule? Are you aware of any interoperability problems where SUA CO does not follow the SCCP rule for Source and Destination Addresses? In one of the mails sent on the SIGTRAN list (included below) it is said "... behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message.". This looks alarming. I am afraid that the note NOTE *1: Destination Address parameter will be present in case that the received CORE message conveys the Source Address parameter. in sections 3.3.4. Connection Acknowledge (COAK) and 3.3.5. Connection Refused (COREF) might be misinterpreted, as requesting to copy the destination address in the source address. I think that the RFC shall be more specific about use of Source and Destination Address parameters in SUA CO. Any opinions? Thank you in advance /Ilie Hi Chen Puran, I am not sure that I have understand your problem clearly or not, regarding RFC 3868 it is very clear that the COREF should always contain ("will contain" as the note *1) the destination address parameter as the source address parameter received in the CORE message if received only, the same is true for the COAK also. Though it should not used for the routing purposes. And regarding the Q71X, I think these are too very clear about the Called party address parameter use in the case of CC/CREF message, just want to mention one thing called party behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message. Section 2.2.1 NOTE - The called party address in the CREF or CC messages shall not be used for routing. Thought section 2.7.2 defines some rules for the international gateway (in case of international network) on the responding address but it's not saying that the destination should not be filled as source address parameter. I hope I have answered your query, please let me know if not. Thanks, Salil -----Original Message----- From: chen.puran@zte.com.cn [*mailto:chen.puran@zte.com.cn* ] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:26 AM To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: [Sigtran] help:about Destination Address parameter of COREF Hello : I have a question about SUA COREF Message ,in RFC3868 describe of Destination Address parameter of COREF is "NOTE *1: Destination Address parameter will be present in case that the received CORE message conveys the Source Address parameter. " it define Destination Address is CORE's Source Address.but COREF Destination Address parameter is a optional parameter,so it is not a according of routing. in Q.714 ,it's not define clearly which address will chose in CREF called party address parameter.but it said that DIS_CONNECTIND message responding address is CREF called party address,description is in below "It is the task of the outgoing international gateway2 (or originating international node) to make sure that the calling party address or responding address (i.e. called party address parameter in a CC or CREF message) satisfies the following rules:" in Q.711,it said "The "responding address" parameter is present in the N-DISCONNECT primitive only in the case where the primitive is used to indicate rejection of a signalling connection establishment attempt by an SCCP user function. The parameter conveys the address of the service access point from which the N-DISCONNECT-request was issued and under circumstances like that mentioned above the "responding address" may be different from the "called address" in the corresponding N-CONNECT request primitive." from the description of "responding address",it's address of N-DISCONNECT-request point. I think it's conflicting in description between RFC3868 and Q71X,which should be of Destination Address parameter? Thanks. ------=_Part_7408_12648573.1195213891336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Hello Folks,
     
    I have a basic question, which shall be easy to answer.
    In SCCP f or a connection-oriented message, the significance of Called and Calling Party addresses is related to the direction of the connection set-up (i.e. independent of the direction the message is going).
     
    Is there any difference in SUA CO messages for Source and Destination Address parameters with respect to this rule?
    Are you aware of any interoperability problems where SUA CO does not follow the SCCP rule for Source and Destination Addresses?
     
    In one of the mails sent on the SIGTRAN list (included below) it is said  "... behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message.".
     
    This looks alarming.
     
    I am afraid that the note  
       NOTE *1:    Destination Address parameter will be present in case

                   that the received CORE message conveys the Source

                   Address parameter.

    in sections
    3.3.4.  Connection Acknowledge (COAK) and

    3.3.5.  Connection Refused (COREF)

     
    might be misinterpreted, as requesting to copy the destination address in the source address.
     
    I think that the RFC shall be more specific about use of Source and Destination Address parameters in SUA CO.
     
    Any opinions? 
     
     
    Thank you in advance
     
    /Ilie
     
     

    Hi Chen Puran,

    I am not sure that I have understand your problem clearly or not, regarding RFC 3868 it is very clear that the COREF should always contain ("will contain" as the note *1) the destination address parameter as the source address parameter received in the CORE message if received only, the same is true for the COAK also. Though it should not used for the routing purposes.

    And regarding the Q71X, I think these are too very clear about the Called party address parameter use in the case of CC/CREF message, just want to mention one thing called party behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message.

    Section 2.2.1 NOTE - The called party address in the CREF or CC messages shall not be used for routing.

    Thought section 2.7.2 defines some rules for the international gateway (in case of international network) on the responding address but it's not saying that the destination should not be filled as source address parameter.

    I hope I have answered your query, please let me know if not.

    Thanks,

    Salil

     -----Original Message-----

    From: chen.puran@zte.com.cn [

    mailto:chen.puran@zte.com.cn]

    Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:26 AM

    To: sigtran@ietf.org

    Subject: [Sigtran] help:about Destination Address parameter of COREF

    Hello :

    I have a question about SUA COREF Message ,in RFC3868 describe of Destination Address parameter of COREF is

    "NOTE *1: Destination Address parameter will be present in case

    that the received CORE message conveys the Source

    Address parameter. "

    it define Destination Address is CORE's Source Address.but COREF Destination Address parameter is a optional parameter,so it is not a according of routing.

    in Q.714 ,it's not define clearly which address will chose in CREF called party address parameter.but it said that DIS_CONNECTIND message responding address is CREF called party address,description is in below

    "It is the task of the outgoing international gateway2 (or originating international node) to make sure that the calling party address or responding address (i.e. called party address parameter in a CC or CREF

    message) satisfies the following rules:"

    in Q.711,it said

    "The "responding address" parameter is present in the N-DISCONNECT primitive only in the case where the primitive is used to indicate rejection of a signalling connection establishment attempt by an SCCP user function. The parameter conveys the address of the service access point from which the N-DISCONNECT-request was issued and under circumstances like that mentioned above the "responding address" may be different from the "called address" in the corresponding N-CONNECT request primitive."

    from the description of "responding address",it's address of N-DISCONNECT-request point.

    I think it's conflicting in description between RFC3868 and Q71X,which should be of Destination Address parameter? Thanks.

     

    ------=_Part_7408_12648573.1195213891336-- --===============1341066094== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran --===============1341066094==-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 07:29:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It0Jz-0004bX-3V; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:19 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1It0Jy-0004YI-8I for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:18 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It0Jx-0004XI-U5 for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:17 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It0Jx-0004Uv-IH for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:17 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1It0Jw-0003OV-WC for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:29:17 -0800 Message-ID: <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: Dario To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO In-Reply-To: <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: dario_filjar@yahoo.com References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Brian, Perhaps this was not clear from the description in section 4.1.4 of RFC, however section 5.4 brings more doubts: In figure 16, the "B"-side (the side that receives Link Status Processor Recovered message), after receiving LS PR and after sending LS Ready (stream 1) message "has completed synchronization of sequence numbers and has sent LS Ready, so it is able to resume sending data at this point with the new sequence numbers". A side (the side that recovered from PO) sends the second LS Ready (stream 1) but it seems noone does anything with that message: if the purpose of synchronization was to send the last received BSN to synchronize FSNs at remote peer, then two messages seem to be sufficient? Best regards, Dario Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Dario, > > Dario wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:22:27) >> > -X--snip--X- >> >> Could you please explain why the second Link Status Ready (stream 1) is >> needed? >> thanks! >> Kind regards, Dario >> > > To acknowledge the LSR sent from the other end and permit the peer to > again send MSUs. > > --brian > > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13792229 Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 07:29:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It0Ka-0005ge-0d; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:56 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1It0KZ-0005fv-7g for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:55 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It0KY-0005f2-TN for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:54 -0500 Received: from mailway13.teles.de ([195.4.13.72]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It0KW-0007eB-SR for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:29:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailway13.teles.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F206B400D; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at teles.de Received: from mailway13.teles.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailway13.teles.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oxewpe9DBHUv; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from backmex.teles.de (backmex.teles.de [172.20.0.19]) by mailway13.teles.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBEA6B4034; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by backmex.teles.de with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:32:17 +0100 Message-ID: From: Arne van Wilgen To: "'bidulock@openss7.org'" , Xiangsong Cui Subject: RE: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after P O Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cdb443e3957ca9b4c5b55e78cfcf4b26 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1708586007==" Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============1708586007== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8284C.5FDE5FF6" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8284C.5FDE5FF6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Brian, I don't agree. SCTP may have many timers but there is just one type (rfc 4960 6.3: retransmission timer T3-rtx) for data retransmission. So for a single homed enpoint I expect there is just one timer for retransmission. The timer's duration depends on the IP network -- even if you specifiy the initial, max. and min. values for the timer. >From the number of allowed retransmissions and the RTO.Max you can derive the maximum time it will take to detect COMMUNICATIONS LOST. So either you change SCTP's parameters to achive a specific timer behaviour with the impact that this affects the entire association or you have to introduce another timer (as Xiangsong mentioned). Regards, Arne -- Arne van Wilgen NGN Protocols Teles AG Communication Systems Ernst-Reuter-Platz 8 D-10587 Berlin GERMANY > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:51 AM > To: Xiangsong Cui > Cc: sigtran@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence > numbers after > PO > > > Xiangsong, > > Xiangsong Cui wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov > 2007 18:06:54) > > > > I think SCTP can ensure the messages be transferred > without loss and > > wrong sequence( if required, in stream ), but SCTP CAN > NOT ensure the > > messages be transferred in the time as ULP wished, which > depend on the > > IP network. > > > > > > > > So, if the ULP want to do something related to the > time, it need a > > timer. > > > > SCTP has many timers for this purpose. > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8284C.5FDE5FF6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after = PO

    Hello Brian,

    I don't agree. SCTP may have many timers but there is = just one type (rfc 4960
    6.3: retransmission timer T3-rtx) for data = retransmission.  So for a single
    homed enpoint I expect there is just one timer for = retransmission.

    The timer's duration depends on the IP network -- = even if you specifiy the
    initial, max. and min. values for the timer.

    From the number of allowed retransmissions and the = RTO.Max you can derive the
    maximum time it will take to detect COMMUNICATIONS = LOST.

    So either you change SCTP's parameters to achive a = specific timer behaviour with
    the impact that this affects the entire association = or you have to introduce
    another timer (as Xiangsong mentioned).

    Regards,
    Arne

    --
    Arne van Wilgen
    NGN Protocols
    Teles AG Communication Systems
    Ernst-Reuter-Platz 8
    D-10587 Berlin
    GERMANY


    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org]
    > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 11:51 AM
    > To: Xiangsong Cui
    > Cc: sigtran@ietf.org
    > Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization = of sequence
    > numbers after
    > PO
    >
    >
    > Xiangsong,
    >
    > Xiangsong Cui = wrote:           =             =     (Fri, 16 Nov
    > 2007 18:06:54)
    > >
    > >    I  think  SCTP = can ensure the messages be transferred
    > without loss and
    > >    wrong  sequence( if = required, in stream ), but SCTP CAN
    > NOT ensure the
    > >    messages be transferred = in the time as ULP wished, which
    > depend on the
    > >    IP network.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >    So,  if  = the  ULP  want to do something related to the
    > time, it need a
    > >    timer.
    > >
    >
    > SCTP has many timers for this purpose.
    >
    > --
    > Brian F. G. Bidulock
    > bidulock@openss7.org
    > http://www.openss7.org/
    >
    >
    > = _______________________________________________
    > Sigtran mailing list
    > Sigtran@ietf.org
    > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran
    >

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G. Bidulock" To: Ilie Glib Subject: Re: [Sigtran] Source /Destination Addresses in SUA CO Message-ID: <20071116100932.A6982@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ilie Glib , sigtran References: <17b146d60711160351vda9c8d5rae2f14a6f3cbf1e0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <17b146d60711160351vda9c8d5rae2f14a6f3cbf1e0@mail.gmail.com>; from ilie.glib@googlemail.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 12:51:31PM +0100 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Cc: sigtran X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Ilie, Is is an unfortunate use of terminology. When we said source address in the SUA message we should have said local address. When we said destination address in the SUA message, we should have said remote address. Where local and remote is viewed from the ASP/AS. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 12:10:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It4iG-0002bD-Nd; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:10:40 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1It4iF-0002YE-4t for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:10:39 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It4iE-0002Vc-AV for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:10:38 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It4iC-0004OW-C3 for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:10:38 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:j8GbX9l8rEL53ZPvLrlGLl/I/xfYAz1A@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAGHAZe27046; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lAGHAZJ07350; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:10:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:10:34 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Arne van Wilgen Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after P O Message-ID: <20071116101034.B6982@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Arne van Wilgen , Xiangsong Cui , sigtran@ietf.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from a.vanwilgen@teles.de on Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 01:29:47PM +0100 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Arne, The RFC does not preclude you from using a local timer for any local reason, so the point is moot. --brian Arne van Wilgen wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:47) > > Hello Brian, > > I don't agree. SCTP may have many timers but there is just one type > (rfc 4960 > 6.3: retransmission timer T3-rtx) for data retransmission. So for a > single > homed enpoint I expect there is just one timer for retransmission. > > The timer's duration depends on the IP network -- even if you specifiy > the > initial, max. and min. values for the timer. > > From the number of allowed retransmissions and the RTO.Max you can > derive the > maximum time it will take to detect COMMUNICATIONS LOST. > > So either you change SCTP's parameters to achive a specific timer > behaviour with > the impact that this affects the entire association or you have to > introduce > another timer (as Xiangsong mentioned). > > Regards, > Arne > > -- > Arne van Wilgen > NGN Protocols > Teles AG Communication Systems > Ernst-Reuter-Platz 8 > D-10587 Berlin > GERMANY > -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 16 12:50:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It5L6-0002uW-Ek; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:50:48 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1It5Kz-0002kO-Pb for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:50:41 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It4nr-0002CX-PT for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:16:28 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It4nZ-00056S-99 for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:16:27 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:KRLgc+bJKsvUTZ8L7gYe6Z7/9JVjAAGV@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAGHG8e27194; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:16:08 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lAGHG7W07405; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:16:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:16:07 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Dario Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071116101607.C6982@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Dario , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com>; from dario_filjar@yahoo.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 04:29:16AM -0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Dario, What the side sending the first LSR does not know until it receives an LSR is whether its choice of sequence number is acceptable to the peer. Once an LSR is received from the peer it is known that not only have both sides chosen a new sequence number, but that choice is acceptable at both sides of the link. It is better to await this acknowledgement before restarting traffic. In the event that traffic is restarted early and the peer does not accept the new sequence number (for example, it is unable to synchronize at all), the link will be placed out of service and the sender risks message lost and missequencing by sending data when the situation could have been avoided. Therefore, wait until you receive LSR before restarting traffic. --brian Dario wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:29:16) > > Hi Brian, > > Perhaps this was not clear from the description in section 4.1.4 of RFC, > however section > 5.4 brings more doubts: > In figure 16, the "B"-side (the side that receives Link Status Processor > Recovered message), > after receiving LS PR and after sending LS Ready (stream 1) message "has > completed synchronization > of sequence numbers and has sent LS Ready, so it is able to resume sending > data at this point with > the new sequence numbers". > > A side (the side that recovered from PO) sends the second LS Ready (stream > 1) but it seems noone > does anything with that message: if the purpose of synchronization was to > send the last received BSN > to synchronize FSNs at remote peer, then two messages seem to be sufficient? > > Best regards, Dario > > > > > Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > > > Dario, > > > > Dario wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:22:27) > >> > > -X--snip--X- > >> > >> Could you please explain why the second Link Status Ready (stream 1) is > >> needed? > >> thanks! > >> Kind regards, Dario > >> > > > > To acknowledge the LSR sent from the other end and permit the peer to > > again send MSUs. > > > > --brian > > > > > > -- > > Brian F. G. Bidulock > > bidulock@openss7.org > > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sigtran mailing list > > Sigtran@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13792229 > Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. 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Can you explain this in a better way? Thanks for you time Aditya Sehgal On Nov 16, 2007 4:26 PM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Aditya, > > Aditya Sehgal wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:34:15) > > > Hi All, > > > > Section 3.6.1 of RFC M3UA 4666 states > > > > " If the Network Appearance is not specified and the Routing Key > > applies to all Network Appearances, then this Routing Key MUST be the > > only > > one registered for the association; that is, Routing Context is > > implied, and DATA and SSNM messages are discriminated on Network > > Appearance rather than on Routing Context. Where Network Appearance > > is not specified and there is only one Network > > Appearance, then Network Appearance is implied" > > > > It says Routing Key can apply to al Network Apperances. [An example > > scenario anyone??] > > > > However, further down in Section 3.7.1 while explaining ASP ACTIVE > > message, in Routing Context RFC states > > "Because an AS can only appear in one Network Appearance, the Network > > Appearance parameter is not required in the ASP Active message." > > > > and the AS is suppose to service a Routing Key. > > > > Isnt the RFC implying that a Routing Key can span multiple Network > > Apperances and later on implying the opposite. Please correct if there > > is a gap in my understanding? > > Because Network Appearance is an abstract concept, there need be no > difference between "one" an "all". (Said another way: there are no > rules or constraints on the cardinality of network appearances.) > > But I agree the text is confusing. It is ironic that it was added > to the RFC to "clarify" the situation. > > --brian > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > -- Don't take life too seriously....Nobody comes out alive anyway _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 17 10:59:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItQ59-0001y9-Uc; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:59:43 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1ItQ58-0001vJ-VW for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:59:42 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItQ58-0001vA-Jm for sigtran@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:59:42 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ItQ55-0002PV-PJ for sigtran@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:59:42 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:S8rMD8I7sd80GSkmTca1WJgEH+1oUkEx@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAHFxae31866; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:59:36 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lAHFxaO26166; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:59:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:59:35 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Aditya Sehgal Subject: Re: [Sigtran] RC & NA doubt Message-ID: <20071117085935.A26089@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Aditya Sehgal , sigtran@ietf.org References: <1ac609990711160204o501eb895i600bbb748156e2dc@mail.gmail.com> <20071116035632.C32258@openss7.org> <1ac609990711170120q75b19869o4c7a508b6a39b16b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1ac609990711170120q75b19869o4c7a508b6a39b16b@mail.gmail.com>; from adi.aquarian@gmail.com on Sat, Nov 17, 2007 at 02:50:33PM +0530 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Aditya, Read this: > "Because an AS can only appear in one Network Appearance, the Network > Appearance parameter is not required in the ASP Active message." as this: | Because an AS can only appear in one (or all) Network Appearance(s), | the Network Appearance parameter is not required in the ASP Active | message. --brian Aditya Sehgal wrote: (Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:50:33) > Brian, > I am not sure I follow. Can you explain this in a better way? > > Thanks for you time > > Aditya Sehgal > > On Nov 16, 2007 4:26 PM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Aditya, > > > > Aditya Sehgal wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:34:15) > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Section 3.6.1 of RFC M3UA 4666 states > > > > > > " If the Network Appearance is not specified and the Routing Key > > > applies to all Network Appearances, then this Routing Key MUST be the > > > only > > > one registered for the association; that is, Routing Context is > > > implied, and DATA and SSNM messages are discriminated on Network > > > Appearance rather than on Routing Context. Where Network Appearance > > > is not specified and there is only one Network > > > Appearance, then Network Appearance is implied" > > > > > > It says Routing Key can apply to al Network Apperances. [An example > > > scenario anyone??] > > > > > > However, further down in Section 3.7.1 while explaining ASP ACTIVE > > > message, in Routing Context RFC states > > > "Because an AS can only appear in one Network Appearance, the Network > > > Appearance parameter is not required in the ASP Active message." > > > > > > and the AS is suppose to service a Routing Key. > > > > > > Isnt the RFC implying that a Routing Key can span multiple Network > > > Apperances and later on implying the opposite. Please correct if there > > > is a gap in my understanding? > > > > Because Network Appearance is an abstract concept, there need be no > > difference between "one" an "all". (Said another way: there are no > > rules or constraints on the cardinality of network appearances.) > > > > But I agree the text is confusing. It is ironic that it was added > > to the RFC to "clarify" the situation. > > > > --brian > > > > -- > > Brian F. G. Bidulock > > bidulock@openss7.org > > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > > > > -- > Don't take life too seriously....Nobody comes out alive anyway > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. 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    • From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 17:10:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuEpT-0001SY-Pr; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:10:55 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuEpR-0001SG-Vf for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:10:53 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuEpR-0001S7-LL; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:10:53 -0500 Received: from ns4.neustar.com ([156.154.24.139]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuEpR-0005Et-D6; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:10:53 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns4.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4806A2AC50; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:10:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuEpR-00010b-0K; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:10:53 -0500 X-test-idtracker: no From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:10:53 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Cc: Internet Architecture Board , sigtran mailing list , sigtran chair , RFC Editor Subject: [Sigtran] Protocol Action: 'TEI Query Request Number Change' to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has approved the following document: - 'TEI Query Request Number Change ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Signaling Transport Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jon Peterson and Cullen Jennings. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sigtran-rfc4233update-02.txt Technical Summary This document updates RFC 4233 to remove a number assignment conflict with RFC 4129 in the message type assigned to TEI Query Request messages. Working Group Summary This document is a product of the Sigtran Working Group. It has had appropriate review and reflects the consensus of that group. Protocol Quality This document was reviewed for the IESG by Jon Peterson. Lyndon Ong is the document shepherd. Gen-ART review was provided by Christian Vogt. Note to RFC Editor Section 4 IANA Considerations: OLD: IANA should reserve the message type 8 of Management Messages for Terminal Endpoint Identifier (TEI) Query Request messages. NEW: In the "Message Types" section of the "Signaling User Adaptation Layer Assignments" registry, IANA should reserve the message type 8 of Management Messages for Terminal Endpoint Identifier (TEI) Query Request messages. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 21:06:38 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuIVT-0003Uz-RW; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:06:31 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuIVS-0003Ut-GU for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:06:30 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuIVS-0003Ul-6V for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:06:30 -0500 Received: from [221.130.253.133] (helo=cmccmta) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuIVN-0003ZD-Iz for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:06:30 -0500 Received: from 6f-chenxu ([10.1.5.76]) by mail.chinamobile.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP1) with SMTP id 2007112010061522-21010 ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:06:15 +0800 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:09:55 +0800 From: "chenxu" To: "bidulock@openss7.org" Subject: Re: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO X-mailer: Foxmail 5.0 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on jtgsml01/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2007-11-20 10:06:15, Serialize by Router on cmccmta/servers/cmcc(Release 6.5.5FP1 | April 14, 2006) at 2007-11-20 10:06:25, Serialize complete at 2007-11-20 10:06:25 Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Cc: "sigtran@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Brian F. G. Bidulock, >chenxu, > >chenxu wrote: (Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:30) >> Hi Brian F. G. Bidulock, >> >> There is another possibility,the communication between SCTP and M2PA >> is lost in the endpoint which sending the first Ready message.This >> endpoint was once in RPO state and now in Ready message sending state. >> The second Ready message will not reach its M2PA ,and its M2PA can >> not receive COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication either. > >Nor will it receive any other message. The implementation is seriously broken >and the link will fail. Hopefully traffic at MTP Level 3 will reroute through >some better implementation after the link fails. > >If the implementation breaks, it will break the protocol. >The rest was moot considering this premise. > >--brian Thank you! I agree with your analyse. In this situation,the MTP3 can reroute through some better implementation after the link fails. But the peer M2PA still need to find the link fails,which should not be ignored. Because there are two directions. So the rest as folloes was still useful considering this premise. >>According to RFC4165,' M2PA SHALL NOT resume transmitting User Data messages until it has sent the Link Status Ready >>message.' ,the peer M2PA (the one sending the second Ready message ) resumes transmitting User Data messages,and also these messages will not reach local M2PA(the one sending the first Ready message). The T7 of the peer M2PA will expire, and the link will be out of sevice. >>The local M2PA (the one sending the first Ready message) also resumes transmitting User Data messages because it has sent > >the Ready message,and when it starts, it will know the failure between SCTP and itself. >> The sending of the first Ready message indicates the local M2PA had received the PO recover message;and the sending of > >the second Ready message indicates the peer M2PA had received the Ready message.Both of them have the required >>information. Yours sincerely Chen Xu chenxu@chinamobile.com > > > >-- >Brian F. G. Bidulock >bidulock@openss7.org >http://www.openss7.org/ 2007-11-20 _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 19 23:14:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuKUp-0002fh-N1; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:13:59 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuKUo-0002bI-QS for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:13:58 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuKUo-0002ZK-1U for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:13:58 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuKUn-0005Jn-Ee for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:13:57 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:ZsM0TcLRV7VpK3sCpw2b2U0s5mJBMH03@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAK4Dte31209; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:13:55 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lAK4Dso22365; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:13:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:13:54 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: chenxu Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071119211354.A22101@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: chenxu , Devayya BOPAIAH , "sigtran@ietf.org" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from chenxu@chinamobile.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 10:09:55AM +0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: "sigtran@ietf.org" X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org chenxu, Your analysis still follows from the premise that one implementation is broken. It could break one or more messages earlier or one or more message later, it makes no never mind, the link will always continue to be blocked or fail at the "correct" implementation. If both implementations are as poor, lack of communication will result: but this is not suprising and is rather trivial. It is equivalent to saying that "broken things are broken". --brian chenxu wrote: (Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:09:55) > Brian F. G. Bidulock, > > >chenxu, > > > >chenxu wrote: (Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:47:30) > >> Hi Brian F. G. Bidulock, > >> > >> There is another possibility,the communication between SCTP and M2PA > >> is lost in the endpoint which sending the first Ready message.This > >> endpoint was once in RPO state and now in Ready message sending state. > >> The second Ready message will not reach its M2PA ,and its M2PA can > >> not receive COMMUNICATIONS LOST indication either. > > > >Nor will it receive any other message. The implementation is seriously broken > >and the link will fail. Hopefully traffic at MTP Level 3 will reroute through > >some better implementation after the link fails. > > > >If the implementation breaks, it will break the protocol. > > >The rest was moot considering this premise. > > > >--brian > > Thank you! > > I agree with your analyse. In this situation,the MTP3 can reroute through some better implementation after the link fails. > But the peer M2PA still need to find the link fails,which should not be ignored. Because there are two directions. So the rest as folloes was still useful considering this premise. > > >>According to RFC4165,' M2PA SHALL NOT resume transmitting User Data messages until it has sent the Link Status Ready >>message.' ,the peer M2PA (the one sending the second Ready message ) resumes transmitting User Data messages,and also these messages will not reach local M2PA(the one sending the first Ready message). The T7 of the peer M2PA will expire, and the link will be out of sevice. > > >>The local M2PA (the one sending the first Ready message) also resumes transmitting User Data messages because it has sent > > >the Ready message,and when it starts, it will know the failure between SCTP and itself. > > > >> The sending of the first Ready message indicates the local M2PA had received the PO recover message;and the sending of > > >the second Ready message indicates the peer M2PA had received the Ready message.Both of them have the required >>information. > > > Yours sincerely > Chen Xu > chenxu@chinamobile.com > > > > > > > > >-- > >Brian F. G. Bidulock > >bidulock@openss7.org > >http://www.openss7.org/ > > > > 2007-11-20 > -- Brian F. G. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C82B70.48A95E90-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 10:32:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuV5a-0006oU-Vl; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:32:38 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuV5a-0006o2-1F for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:32:38 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuV5Z-0006ns-O3 for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:32:37 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuV5X-0005Re-6c for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:32:37 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IuV5W-0002E8-Ip for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:32:34 -0800 Message-ID: <13858954.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dario To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO In-Reply-To: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: dario_filjar@yahoo.com References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi, two more questions: 1. If both sides are in PO and one processor recovers and sends LS PR. Should the other side respond with LS Ready (stream 1) although it is locally in PO? 2. again, both sides are in PO and both sides recover - each side sends LS PR. Should both sides exchange just one pair of LS Ready (stream 1) messages or should they perform resynchronization sequence independently? thanks! Regards, Dario -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13858954 Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 20 12:41:01 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuX5l-0001cj-AK; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:40:57 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuX5k-0001Zu-0a for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:40:56 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuX5j-0001Zh-LH for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:40:55 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuX5e-0001M6-MX for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:40:55 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:lBXslT4IdzPHWbWM2oK9Mz1+A20Zgl5v@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lAKHene24654; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:40:49 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lAKHen704156; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:40:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:40:48 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Dario Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071120104048.A3901@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Dario , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <13858954.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <13858954.post@talk.nabble.com>; from dario_filjar@yahoo.com on Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 07:32:34AM -0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Dario, Dario wrote: (Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:32:34) > > Hi, > two more questions: > 1. If both sides are in PO and one processor recovers and sends LS PR. > Should the other side respond with > LS Ready (stream 1) although it is locally in PO? No. Ala Q.703 it sends LS PR when it recovers and only then both sides exchange LSR. Neither side resynchronizes until the link becomes unblocks which requires no processor outage (local or remote). > 2. again, both sides are in PO and both sides recover - each side sends LS > PR. Should both sides exchange just one pair of LS Ready (stream 1) messages > or should they perform resynchronization sequence independently? Each side resynchronizes independently per Q.703. The sequence when the last terminal recovers is the same as though only one processor was out. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 07:00:02 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuoFM-0001J4-5H; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:00:00 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuoFK-0001It-SA for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:59:58 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuoFK-0001Il-EA for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:59:58 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuoFJ-0005xj-Up for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 06:59:58 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IuoFJ-0003ON-IS for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:59:57 -0800 Message-ID: <13875827.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:59:57 -0800 (PST) From: Dario To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO In-Reply-To: <20071120104048.A3901@openss7.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: dario_filjar@yahoo.com References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <13858954.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071120104048.A3901@openss7.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Brian, so if I understood correctly, the resinchronization takes place only when there is no PO on either side. it would be good to clarify that in RFC since statement in RFC4165, section 4.1.4 has not been clear to me: " Upon receiving the Link Status Processor Recovered message, the M2PA in RPO SHALL respond with a Link Status Ready message on the User Data stream." This is then coniditionaly true, only if there is no local PO on that M2PA side. Regarding second question, how many LS Ready messages are then exchanged? A side sends LS PR. B side sends LS PR. It seems to me that each side sending one LS Ready (stream 1) is sufficient to resynchronize the sequence numbers. Or is it 4 LS Ready messages (each side sending two LSR messages?). thanks! Best regards, Dario Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Dario, > > Dario wrote: (Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:32:34) >> >> Hi, >> two more questions: >> 1. If both sides are in PO and one processor recovers and sends LS PR. >> Should the other side respond with >> LS Ready (stream 1) although it is locally in PO? > > No. Ala Q.703 it sends LS PR when it recovers and only then both > sides exchange LSR. Neither side resynchronizes until the link > becomes unblocks which requires no processor outage (local or remote). > >> 2. again, both sides are in PO and both sides recover - each side sends >> LS >> PR. Should both sides exchange just one pair of LS Ready (stream 1) >> messages >> or should they perform resynchronization sequence independently? > > Each side resynchronizes independently per Q.703. The sequence when the > last terminal recovers is the same as though only one processor was out. > > --brian > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13875827 Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 09:14:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuqLo-0005Tj-QB; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:48 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IuqLm-0005MJ-Le for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:46 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuqLm-0005Ig-8V for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:46 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IuqLl-00027P-KT for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:14:46 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:fAFYCoY2zBH/oAUbbBKkQJk9q3w49iQw@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lALEEie00449; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:44 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lALEEih25360; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:14:44 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Dario Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071121071444.B24284@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: Dario , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <13858954.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071120104048.A3901@openss7.org> <13875827.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <13875827.post@talk.nabble.com>; from dario_filjar@yahoo.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 03:59:57AM -0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Dario, Sorry, I was wrong. Each side should respond LSR regardless of the state of the local processor; however, because the local processor is out on the last side recovering, it cannot necessarily synchronize sequence numbers (it takes a flush from MTP3 to do that). See Test Case 3.4.2 "RPO during LPO" and Test Case 3.4.3 "Clear LPO when "Both processor outage" in draft-bidulock-sigtran-m2pa-test-08.txt (It is no longer on the IETF servers, darn it expired again, but you can get a copy here: http://www.openss7.org/docs/draft-bidulock-sigtran-m2pa-test-08.txt ) --brian Dario wrote: (Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:59:57) > > Hi Brian, > > so if I understood correctly, the resinchronization takes place only when > there is no PO on either > side. > it would be good to clarify that in RFC since statement in RFC4165, section > 4.1.4 has not been clear to me: > " Upon receiving the Link Status Processor Recovered message, the M2PA in > RPO SHALL respond > with a Link Status Ready message on the User Data stream." > > This is then coniditionaly true, only if there is no local PO on that M2PA > side. > > Regarding second question, how many LS Ready messages are then exchanged? > > A side sends LS PR. > B side sends LS PR. > It seems to me that each side sending one LS Ready (stream 1) is sufficient > to resynchronize the sequence numbers. > Or is it 4 LS Ready messages (each side sending two LSR messages?). > > thanks! > Best regards, Dario > > > > Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > > > Dario, > > > > Dario wrote: (Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:32:34) > >> > >> Hi, > >> two more questions: > >> 1. If both sides are in PO and one processor recovers and sends LS PR. > >> Should the other side respond with > >> LS Ready (stream 1) although it is locally in PO? > > > > No. Ala Q.703 it sends LS PR when it recovers and only then both > > sides exchange LSR. Neither side resynchronizes until the link > > becomes unblocks which requires no processor outage (local or remote). > > > >> 2. again, both sides are in PO and both sides recover - each side sends > >> LS > >> PR. Should both sides exchange just one pair of LS Ready (stream 1) > >> messages > >> or should they perform resynchronization sequence independently? > > > > Each side resynchronizes independently per Q.703. The sequence when the > > last terminal recovers is the same as though only one processor was out. > > > > --brian > > > > -- > > Brian F. G. Bidulock > > bidulock@openss7.org > > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sigtran mailing list > > Sigtran@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13875827 > Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran -- Brian F. G. 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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:54:00 +0100 References: <00D42150952F70458C66072322F7FE25105551@saturn2.aculab.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Spam-Score: 2.2 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi David, there are periodically Interop tests, where you could attend and test what you want. Best regards Michael On Nov 21, 2007, at 4:27 PM, David Laight wrote: > We are wondering how to get any confidence that our M3UA stack > will interwork with other impelementations - particularly those > likely to be used by service providers. > > One possibility would be to buy (something like) a small Cisco > 'router' that will run their IPT software, but reading the > Cisco web site is like wading through treacle and gives no > idea of the minimal hardware required to run that software. > > Has anyone any suggestions? > > Or maybe where we can obtain line traces of the SCTP traffic > we can use for comparisons? > > David > > Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton > Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK > Registration No: 1397386 (Wales) > P Please consider the environment and don't print this e-mail unless > you really need to > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 21 12:02:32 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iusy8-00070c-3m; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:02:32 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Iusy7-0006uu-4c for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:02:31 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iusy6-0006qe-LP for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:02:30 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iusy6-0008Ei-5F for sigtran@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:02:30 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:ndmw+7dQGzUdEhny3lHEDG39dLdtqFDx@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lALH2Re08299; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:02:27 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lALH2Qg28886; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:02:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:02:26 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: David Laight Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M3UA interworking tests. Message-ID: <20071121100226.A28263@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Laight , sigtran@ietf.org References: <00D42150952F70458C66072322F7FE25105551@saturn2.aculab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <00D42150952F70458C66072322F7FE25105551@saturn2.aculab.com>; from David.Laight@ACULAB.COM on Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 03:27:27PM -0000 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org David, There are a few protocol testers on the market that will do some degree of testing. Google is your friend there. ETSI wrote the start of a test suite (ETSI TS 102 381) for M3UA, which is implemented by some commercial protocol testers, that can provide at least a basic level of confidence. And then there are the ETSI Plugtests, which are better for a wider range of interoperability as there are always a number of implementations represented. But they only come around every 18 months or so and AFAIK the next one hasn't been announced. Hope that helps. --brian BTW it is bad form to comment negatively on a particular vendor's offerings on an IETF WG mailing list. 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Do Source and Destination Addresses follow message direction rather than connection setup direction? Thank you in advance /Ilie On 11/16/07, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Ilie, > > Is is an unfortunate use of terminology. When we said source address > in the SUA message we should have said local address. When we said > destination address in the SUA message, we should have said remote > address. Where local and remote is viewed from the ASP/AS. > > --brian > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > ------------------------------ *From:* Ilie Glib [mailto:ilie.glib@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Friday, November 16, 2007 12:52 PM *To:* sigtran *Subject:* [Sigtran] Source /Destination Addresses in SUA CO Hello Folks, I have a basic question, which shall be easy to answer. In SCCP f or a connection-oriented message, the significance of Called and Calling Party addresses is related to the direction of the connection set-up (i.e. independent of the direction the message is going). Is there any difference in SUA CO messages for Source and Destination Address parameters with respect to this rule? Are you aware of any interoperability problems where SUA CO does not follow the SCCP rule for Source and Destination Addresses? In one of the mails sent on the SIGTRAN list (included below) it is said "... behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message.". This looks alarming. I am afraid that the note NOTE *1: Destination Address parameter will be present in case that the received CORE message conveys the Source Address parameter. in sections 3.3.4. Connection Acknowledge (COAK) and 3.3.5. Connection Refused (COREF) might be misinterpreted, as requesting to copy the destination address in the source address. I think that the RFC shall be more specific about use of Source and Destination Address parameters in SUA CO. Any opinions? Thank you in advance /Ilie Hi Chen Puran, I am not sure that I have understand your problem clearly or not, regarding RFC 3868 it is very clear that the COREF should always contain ("will contain" as the note *1) the destination address parameter as the source address parameter received in the CORE message if received only, the same is true for the COAK also. Though it should not used for the routing purposes. And regarding the Q71X, I think these are too very clear about the Called party address parameter use in the case of CC/CREF message, just want to mention one thing called party behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message. Section 2.2.1 NOTE - The called party address in the CREF or CC messages shall not be used for routing. Thought section 2.7.2 defines some rules for the international gateway (in case of international network) on the responding address but it's not saying that the destination should not be filled as source address parameter. I hope I have answered your query, please let me know if not. Thanks, Salil -----Original Message----- From: chen.puran@zte.com.cn [ *mailto:chen.puran@zte.com.cn* ] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:26 AM To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: [Sigtran] help:about Destination Address parameter of COREF Hello : I have a question about SUA COREF Message ,in RFC3868 describe of Destination Address parameter of COREF is "NOTE *1: Destination Address parameter will be present in case that the received CORE message conveys the Source Address parameter. " it define Destination Address is CORE's Source Address.but COREF Destination Address parameter is a optional parameter,so it is not a according of routing. in Q.714 ,it's not define clearly which address will chose in CREF called party address parameter.but it said that DIS_CONNECTIND message responding address is CREF called party address,description is in below "It is the task of the outgoing international gateway2 (or originating international node) to make sure that the calling party address or responding address (i.e. called party address parameter in a CC or CREF message) satisfies the following rules:" in Q.711,it said "The "responding address" parameter is present in the N-DISCONNECT primitive only in the case where the primitive is used to indicate rejection of a signalling connection establishment attempt by an SCCP user function. The parameter conveys the address of the service access point from which the N-DISCONNECT-request was issued and under circumstances like that mentioned above the "responding address" may be different from the "called address" in the corresponding N-CONNECT request primitive." from the description of "responding address",it's address of N-DISCONNECT-request point. I think it's conflicting in description between RFC3868 and Q71X,which should be of Destination Address parameter? Thanks. ------=_Part_30827_214954.1196065799281 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    Hello Folks,
     
    do you share Brian's opinion on Source and Destination Addresses included in SUA CO messages? 
    Do Source and Destination Addresses follow message direction rather than connection setup direction?
     
    Thank you in advance
     
    /Ilie 

     
    On 11/16/07, Brian F. G. Bidulock <bidulock@openss7.org> wrote:
    Ilie,

    Is is an unfortunate use of terminology.  When we said source address
    in the SUA message we should have said local address.  When we said
    destination address in the SUA message, we should have said remote
    address.  Where local and remote is viewed from the ASP/AS.

    --brian

    --
    Brian F. G. Bidulock
    bidulock@openss7.org
    http://www.openss7.org/

    From: Ilie Glib [mailto:ilie.glib@googlemail.com]
    Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 12:52 PM
    To: sigtran
    Subject: [Sigtran] Source /Destination Addresses in SUA CO

     
    Hello Folks,
     
    I have a basic question, which shall be easy to answer.
    In SCCP f or a connection-oriented message, the significance of Called and Calling Party addresses is related to the direction of the connection set-up (i.e. independent of the direction the message is going).
     
    Is there any difference in SUA CO messages for Source and Destination Address parameters with respect to this rule?
    Are you aware of any interoperability problems where SUA CO does not follow the SCCP rule for Source and Destination Addresses?
     
    In one of the mails sent on the SIGTRAN list (included below) it is said  "... behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message.".
     
    This looks alarming.
     
    I am afraid that the note  
       NOTE *1:    Destination Address parameter will be present in case

                   that the received CORE message conveys the Source

                   Address parameter.

    in sections
    3.3.4.  Connection Acknowledge (COAK) and

    3.3.5.  Connection Refused (COREF)

     
    might be misinterpreted, as requesting to copy the destination address in the source address.
     
    I think that the RFC shall be more specific about use of Source and Destination Address parameters in SUA CO.
     
    Any opinions? 
     
     
    Thank you in advance
     
    /Ilie
     
     

    Hi Chen Puran,

    I am not sure that I have understand your problem clearly or not, regarding RFC 3868 it is very clear that the COREF should always contain ("will contain" as the note *1) the destination address parameter as the source address parameter received in the CORE message if received only, the same is true for the COAK also. Though it should not used for the routing purposes.

    And regarding the Q71X, I think these are too very clear about the Called party address parameter use in the case of CC/CREF message, just want to mention one thing called party behavior is same for CC/CREF in case of SCCP. So the called party should be the calling party address received in the CR message.

    Section 2.2.1 NOTE - The called party address in the CREF or CC messages shall not be used for routing.

    Thought section 2.7.2 defines some rules for the international gateway (in case of international network) on the responding address but it's not saying that the destination should not be filled as source address parameter.

    I hope I have answered your query, please let me know if not.

    Thanks,

    Salil

     -----Original Message-----

    From: chen.puran@zte.com.cn [

     mailto:chen.puran@zte.com.cn]

    Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:26 AM

    To: sigtran@ietf.org

    Subject: [Sigtran] help:about Destination Address parameter of COREF

    Hello :

    I have a question about SUA COREF Message ,in RFC3868 describe of Destination Address parameter of COREF is

    "NOTE *1: Destination Address parameter will be present in case

    that the received CORE message conveys the Source

    Address parameter. "

    it define Destination Address is CORE's Source Address.but COREF Destination Address parameter is a optional parameter,so it is not a according of routing.

    in Q.714 ,it's not define clearly which address will chose in CREF called party address parameter.but it said that DIS_CONNECTIND message responding address is CREF called party address,description is in below

    "It is the task of the outgoing international gateway2 (or originating international node) to make sure that the calling party address or responding address (i.e. called party address parameter in a CC or CREF

    message) satisfies the following rules:"

    in Q.711,it said

    "The "responding address" parameter is present in the N-DISCONNECT primitive only in the case where the primitive is used to indicate rejection of a signalling connection establishment attempt by an SCCP user function. The parameter conveys the address of the service access point from which the N-DISCONNECT-request was issued and under circumstances like that mentioned above the "responding address" may be different from the "called address" in the corresponding N-CONNECT request primitive."

    from the description of "responding address",it's address of N-DISCONNECT-request point.

    I think it's conflicting in description between RFC3868 and Q71X,which should be of Destination Address parameter? Thanks.

     

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0AB3_01C83104.BFB66110-- From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 11:41:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3Uj-0007dR-Uh; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:09 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu11K-0004el-Og for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:26:14 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu11K-0004ea-7z for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:26:14 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu11J-0000fm-Mn for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:26:14 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iu11J-0007Kb-6P for sigtran@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:26:13 -0800 Message-ID: <13828923.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: sdjugum To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO In-Reply-To: <20071116101607.C6982@openss7.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: sdjugum@yahoo.com References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071116101607.C6982@openss7.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:07 -0500 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Brian! I am a little confused with statements "sequence number unacceptable" and "unable to synhronize". Could you please explain what are the situations when sequence number would be unacceptable for the peer or when the peer is not able to synchronize at all? Thanks. Best regards, Sasa Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Dario, > > What the side sending the first LSR does not know until it > receives an LSR is whether its choice of sequence number is > acceptable to the peer. Once an LSR is received from the peer > it is known that not only have both sides chosen a new sequence > number, but that choice is acceptable at both sides of the link. > It is better to await this acknowledgement before restarting > traffic. In the event that traffic is restarted early and the > peer does not accept the new sequence number (for example, it is > unable to synchronize at all), the link will be placed out of > service and the sender risks message lost and missequencing by > sending data when the situation could have been avoided. > Therefore, wait until you receive LSR before restarting traffic. > > --brian > > Dario wrote: (Fri, > 16 Nov 2007 04:29:16) >> >> Hi Brian, >> >> Perhaps this was not clear from the description in section 4.1.4 of RFC, >> however section >> 5.4 brings more doubts: >> In figure 16, the "B"-side (the side that receives Link Status Processor >> Recovered message), >> after receiving LS PR and after sending LS Ready (stream 1) message "has >> completed synchronization >> of sequence numbers and has sent LS Ready, so it is able to resume >> sending >> data at this point with >> the new sequence numbers". >> >> A side (the side that recovered from PO) sends the second LS Ready >> (stream >> 1) but it seems noone >> does anything with that message: if the purpose of synchronization was to >> send the last received BSN >> to synchronize FFrom sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 11:41:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3Uj-0007dR-Uh; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:09 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu11K-0004el-Og for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:26:14 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu11K-0004ea-7z for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:26:14 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iu11J-0000fm-Mn for sigtran@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:26:14 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iu11J-0007Kb-6P for sigtran@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:26:13 -0800 Message-ID: <13828923.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: sdjugum To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO In-Reply-To: <20071116101607.C6982@openss7.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: sdjugum@yahoo.com References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071116101607.C6982@openss7.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:07 -0500 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Brian! I am a little confused with statements "sequence number unacceptable" and "unable to synhronize". Could you please explain what are the situations when sequence number would be unacceptable for the peer or when the peer is not able to synchronize at all? Thanks. Best regards, Sasa Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Dario, > > What the side sending the first LSR does not know until it > receives an LSR is whether its choice of sequence number is > acceptable to the peer. Once an LSR is received from the peer > it is known that not only have both sides chosen a new sequence > number, but that choice is acceptable at both sides of the link. > It is better to await this acknowledgement before restarting > traffic. In the event that traffic is restarted early and the > peer does not accept the new sequence number (for example, it is > unable to synchronize at all), the link will be placed out of > service and the sender risks message lost and missequencing by > sending data when the situation could have been avoided. > Therefore, wait until you receive LSR before restarting traffic. > > --brian > > Dario wrote: (Fri, > 16 Nov 2007 04:29:16) >> >> Hi Brian, >> >> Perhaps this was not clear from the description in section 4.1.4 of RFC, >> however section >> 5.4 brings more doubts: >> In figure 16, the "B"-side (the side that receives Link Status Processor >> Recovered message), >> after receiving LS PR and after sending LS Ready (stream 1) message "has >> completed synchronization >> of sequence numbers and has sent LS Ready, so it is able to resume >> sending >> data at this point with >> the new sequence numbers". >> >> A side (the side that recovered from PO) sends the second LS Ready >> (stream >> 1) but it seems noone >> does anything with that message: if the purpose of synchronization was to >> send the last received BSN >> to synchronize FSNs at remote peer, then two messages seem to be >> sufficient? >> >> Best regards, Dario >> >> >> >> >> Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: >> > >> > Dario, >> > >> > Dario wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 >> 06:22:27) >> >> >> > -X--snip--X- >> >> >> >> Could you please explain why the second Link Status Ready (stream 1) >> is >> >> needed? >> >> thanks! >> >> Kind regards, Dario >> >> >> > >> > To acknowledge the LSR sent from the other end and permit the peer to >> > again send MSUs. >> > >> > --brian >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Brian F. G. Bidulock >> > bidulock@openss7.org >> > http://www.openss7.org/ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sigtran mailing list >> > Sigtran@ietf.org >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran >> > >> > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13792229 >> Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sigtran mailing list >> Sigtran@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13828923 Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 11:41:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3Uj-0007dF-MO; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:09 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1It5wf-0007AG-Gd for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:37 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It5wf-00079M-5V for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:37 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It5we-0005L7-Mo for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:37 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1It5wa-0006uF-Bm for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:29:32 -0800 Message-ID: <13797998.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: sdjugum To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO In-Reply-To: <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: sdjugum@yahoo.com References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:06 -0500 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Brian, Since the question remained open I would just like to repeat it so that it is not left unanswered. The example metioned below clearly indicates that side B uses BSN received in LS Processor Recovered message to sSNs at remote peer, then two messages seem to be >> sufficient? >> >> Best regards, Dario >> >> >> >> >> Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: >> > >> > Dario, >> > >> > Dario wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 >> 06:22:27) >> >> >> > -X--snip--X- >> >> >> >> Could you please explain why the second Link Status Ready (stream 1) >> is >> >> needed? >> >> thanks! >> >> Kind regards, Dario >> >> >> > >> > To acknowledge the LSR sent from the other end and permit the peer to >> > again send MSUs. >> > >> > --brian >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Brian F. G. Bidulock >> > bidulock@openss7.org >> > http://www.openss7.org/ >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sigtran mailing list >> > Sigtran@ietf.org >> > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran >> > >> > >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13792229 >> Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sigtran mailing list >> Sigtran@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock > bidulock@openss7.org > http://www.openss7.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Sigtran mailing list > Sigtran@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13828923 Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 11:41:11 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix3Uj-0007dF-MO; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:09 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1It5wf-0007AG-Gd for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:37 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It5wf-00079M-5V for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:37 -0500 Received: from kuber.nabble.com ([216.139.236.158]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1It5we-0005L7-Mo for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:29:37 -0500 Received: from isper.nabble.com ([192.168.236.156]) by kuber.nabble.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1It5wa-0006uF-Bm for sigtran@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:29:32 -0800 Message-ID: <13797998.post@talk.nabble.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:29:32 -0800 (PST) From: sdjugum To: sigtran@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO In-Reply-To: <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Nabble-From: sdjugum@yahoo.com References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:41:06 -0500 X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Hi Brian, Since the question remained open I would just like to repeat it so that it is not left unanswered. The example metioned below clearly indicates that side B uses BSN received in LS Processor Recovered message to synchronize it's sequence numbers and that it begins sending messages after it has sent LSR (stream 1). So, the question is - what should it do at reception of LSR (stream 1) from peer? Example clearly shows that LSR is ignored and that BSN received in it is not used. So, which message should be used for synchronization and sending resume at side leaving RPO - LS PR or LSR (stream 1)? Best regards, Sasa Dario wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > Perhaps this was not clear from the description in section 4.1.4 of RFC, > however section > 5.4 brings more doubts: > In figure 16, the "B"-side (the side that receives Link Status Processor > Recovered message), > after receiving LS PR and after sending LS Ready (stream 1) message "has > completed synchronization > of sequence numbers and has sent LS Ready, so it is able to resume sending > data at this point with > the new sequence numbers". > > A side (the side that recovered from PO) sends the second LS Ready (stream > 1) but it seems noone > does anything with that message: if the purpose of synchronization was to > send the last received BSN > to synchronize FSNs at remote peer, then two messages seem to be > sufficient? > > Best regards, Dario > > > > > Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: >> >> Dario, >> >> Dario wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:22:27) >>> >> -X--snip--X- >>> >>> Could you please explain why the second Link Status Ready (stream 1) is >>> needed? >>> thanks! >>> Kind regards, Dario >>> >> >> To acknowledge the LSR sent from the other end and permit the peer to >> again send MSUs. >> >> --brian >> >> >> -- >> Brian F. G. Bidulock >> bidulock@openss7.org >> http://www.openss7.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sigtran mailing list >> Sigtran@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13797998 Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran ynchronize it's sequence numbers and that it begins sending messages after it has sent LSR (stream 1). So, the question is - what should it do at reception of LSR (stream 1) from peer? Example clearly shows that LSR is ignored and that BSN received in it is not used. So, which message should be used for synchronization and sending resume at side leaving RPO - LS PR or LSR (stream 1)? Best regards, Sasa Dario wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > Perhaps this was not clear from the description in section 4.1.4 of RFC, > however section > 5.4 brings more doubts: > In figure 16, the "B"-side (the side that receives Link Status Processor > Recovered message), > after receiving LS PR and after sending LS Ready (stream 1) message "has > completed synchronization > of sequence numbers and has sent LS Ready, so it is able to resume sending > data at this point with > the new sequence numbers". > > A side (the side that recovered from PO) sends the second LS Ready (stream > 1) but it seems noone > does anything with that message: if the purpose of synchronization was to > send the last received BSN > to synchronize FSNs at remote peer, then two messages seem to be > sufficient? > > Best regards, Dario > > > > > Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: >> >> Dario, >> >> Dario wrote: (Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:22:27) >>> >> -X--snip--X- >>> >>> Could you please explain why the second Link Status Ready (stream 1) is >>> needed? >>> thanks! >>> Kind regards, Dario >>> >> >> To acknowledge the LSR sent from the other end and permit the peer to >> again send MSUs. >> >> --brian >> >> >> -- >> Brian F. G. Bidulock >> bidulock@openss7.org >> http://www.openss7.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sigtran mailing list >> Sigtran@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran >> >> > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/M2PA%3A-resynchronization-of-sequence-numbers-after-PO-tf4812071.html#a13797998 Sent from the IETF - Sigtran mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 12:52:10 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix4bR-0004ld-W4; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:52:09 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix4bR-0004f7-4v for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:52:09 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix4bQ-0004cc-Q1 for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:52:08 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix4bO-00035S-Sz for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:52:08 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:YXbbw0m9AGowXYYgju+EhfG3Pff6NUga@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lARHq5e22647; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:05 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lARHq5H20770; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:52:04 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: sdjugum Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071127105204.A20539@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: sdjugum , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071116101607.C6982@openss7.org> <13828923.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <13828923.post@talk.nabble.com>; from sdjugum@yahoo.com on Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 11:26:13PM -0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org sdjugum, Syncrhonization is not performed only at level 2. It requires a signal from Level 3 to initate resynchronization (flushing of the retransmit and transmit buffers). Upon receiving LSR the peer may by "unable to synchronize" because it discovered upon going to issue remote processor recovered signal to its local MTP3 that MTP3 is unreachable. --brian sdjugum wrote: (Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:26:13) > > Hi, Brian! > > I am a little confused with statements "sequence number unacceptable" and > "unable to synhronize". Could you please explain what are the situations > when sequence number would be unacceptable for the peer or when the peer is > not able to synchronize at all? > > Thanks. > > Best regards, > Sasa -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ _______________________________________________ Sigtran mailing list Sigtran@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sigtran From sigtran-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 27 13:24:58 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix57B-0002pt-Rb; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:57 -0500 Received: from sigtran by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix57A-0002pH-7b for sigtran-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:56 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix579-0002p9-OR for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:55 -0500 Received: from gw.openss7.com ([206.75.119.236]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ix579-0003eY-71 for sigtran@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:55 -0500 Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:4y5LI9bq7SJNCiURYaflEUMD3KC/bfwZ@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id lARIOse23794; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:24:54 -0700 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id lARIOrG21505; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:24:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:24:53 -0700 From: "Brian F. 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Bidulock" To: sdjugum Subject: Re: [Sigtran] M2PA: resynchronization of sequence numbers after PO Message-ID: <20071127112453.B20539@openss7.org> Mail-Followup-To: sdjugum , sigtran@ietf.org References: <13768339.post@talk.nabble.com> <20071115134449.C20444@openss7.org> <13792229.post@talk.nabble.com> <13797998.post@talk.nabble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <13797998.post@talk.nabble.com>; from sdjugum@yahoo.com on Fri, Nov 16, 2007 at 10:29:32AM -0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: sigtran@ietf.org X-BeenThere: sigtran@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org List-Id: Signaling Transport List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: sigtran-bounces@ietf.org sdjugum, Figure 16 is consistent with the text in section 4.1.4. Each side shall not send data messages until it has sent LSR (and then only when other conditions permit). It is, however, better to wait until LSR is both sent and received before starting traffic. Consider the following: LSPO -----------\ LSPR -----------\\ LSPO -----------\\\ \\\--------> LSPO ---> RPO \\--------> LSPR ---> RPR ------+ \--\ | /--\----- LSR <--- Continue <-+ //---\---- DATA ///----\--- DATA <--- DATA LSR <-----------/// \-> LSPO ---> RPO DATA <-----------// DATA <-----------/ Which is sending data immediately after sending LSR. Note that the DATA is now in the RTB and therefore will be lost on changeover. Contrast that with the following: LSPO -----------\ LSPR -----------\\ LSPO -----------\\\ \\\--------> LSPO ---> RPO \\--------> LSPR ---> RPR ------+ \--\ | /--\----- LSR <--- Continue <-+ / \ / \ (TB) <--- DATA LSR <-----------/ \-> LSPO ---> RPO Which is waiting for received LSR before sending data. Note that the DATA is either in Level 3 or in the TB at Level 2 and is therefore not lost on changeover. Therefore, waiting for both LSR sent and received reduces message loss and missequencing. All that the RFC requires is that DATA not be sent _before_ sending LSR, it does not place any requirements on how long one waits after sending LSR before restarting traffic. --brian sdjugum wrote: (Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:29:32) > > Hi Brian, > > Since the question remained open I would just like to repeat it so that it > is not left unanswered. > > The example metioned below clearly indicates that side B uses BSN received > in LS Processor Recovered message to synchronize it's sequence numbers and > that it begins sending messages after it has sent LSR (stream 1). > So, the question is - what should it do at reception of LSR (stream 1) from > peer? Example clearly shows that LSR is ignored and that BSN received in it > is not used. > > So, which message should be used for synchronization and sending resume at > side leaving RPO - LS PR or LSR (stream 1)? > > Best regards, > Sasa > -- Brian F. G. 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    The director for global migration and quarantine at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, found reason for optimism in the study results. Although some senior physicians welcomed feedback from their juniors, others disdained it, either overtly or through intimidation. The Air Force chief of staff, said at a recent conference, and there’s a similar shock that the Chinese successfully shot down that satellite. Seduction comes into it – biographer, subject, copyright holders, the inevitable widows and grandsons – but so too do all sorts of subjective factors: stamina, availability, finances, sheer interest. Daniele were to take charge — as was the plan — the team would need to make room, and though much of his choreography remains, Mr.
    On the opposite side of the screen, there were scrolls of e-mail messages that other MySpace members had sent him: friendly, uncapitalized, hallucination-free greetings. The critic for The Tribune who had been negative but encouraging in his review of the show in Chicago, saw it again in New York and said big problems remained.
    Among those studies were two large pediatric depression trials whose results were unavailable three years ago. Of course, the situation has changed immeasurably in the years since then. The director for global migration and quarantine at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, found reason for optimism in the study results. The winner will receive $10,000, making it one of the world’s most lucrative essay prizes. From unions, advocates for the homeless, church groups, black Democrats, Hispanic Democrats, Jewish Democrats and an association of big-city mayors. Ferguson said, we would start a crash program to make a vaccine. When we first started studying life stories, people thought it was just idle curiosity — stories, isn’t that cool?
    But for the Pentagon, the national security implications are even more worrisome. It can be achieved within the constraints of present overall budgets. Election officials gave themselves high marks on Sunday for the handling of the polls, but their comments were in sharp contrast to assessments of international observers.
    Much has been made of the film’s look, and it’s easy to see why. Biography, as Ian Donaldson showed in his essay ‘Matters of Life and Death: The Return of Biography’ (ABR, November 2006), is now a plastic, responsive, democratic and, yes, reputable art, capable of all sorts of liberties and latitude.Once again, all non-fiction subjects are eligible, from memoir to literary studies to politics to natural history. Those with mood problems have many good memories, but these scenes are usually tainted by some dark detail. For Canberra, the distinction between expensive university education and more economical technical training offered a compelling financial rationale. Had the United States been willing to discuss the military use of space with the Chinese in Geneva, that might have been enough to dissuade them from going through with it, said Jeffrey G. Of course, the situation has changed immeasurably in the years since then.
    It can be achieved within the constraints of present overall budgets. Election officials gave themselves high marks on Sunday for the handling of the polls, but their comments were in sharp contrast to assessments of international observers. When we first started studying life stories, people thought it was just idle curiosity — stories, isn’t that cool? Institutions varied in size, but not in purpose or ambition.
    Seduction comes into it – biographer, subject, copyright holders, the inevitable widows and grandsons – but so too do all sorts of subjective factors: stamina, availability, finances, sheer interest. Those with mood problems have many good memories, but these scenes are usually tainted by some dark detail. The Flinders class of 1966 was dominated by males drawn from the middle class. From unions, advocates for the homeless, church groups, black Democrats, Hispanic Democrats, Jewish Democrats and an association of big-city mayors. But for the Pentagon, the national security implications are even more worrisome.
    Much has been made of the film’s look, and it’s easy to see why. Much has been made of the film’s look, and it’s easy to see why.
    He is a textile manufacturer in Kano, and his factory used to produce 3,000 cotton jersey garments a day. At a convocation the day after the shootings, the rousing student chants filled Cassell Coliseum. Manning Clark encourages her: ‘I must tell you, Brenda. Three times in the past forty years, ministers of education have embraced bold higher education policy moves: the joint efforts of state and federal governments in the 1960s that created a string of universities, including Flinders; the free education and system expansion triggered by the Whitlam government; and the further expansion, a unified national system and HECS under John Dawkins. Depending on the person, the story itself might be nuanced or simplistic, powerfully dramatic or cloyingly pious. In a global economy, we can no longer assume a local degree will be preferred, even by Australian students. Roderick Romero, a Manhattan artist and musician who also designs treehouses (Val Kilmer, the actor, is one of his clients), will produce four this year, double his output in the last several years.
    Given the national interest in the first Calibre Prize and the extraordinary response to the eventual winner, Elisabeth Holdsworth’s ‘An die Nachgeborenen. Though government changed hands in 1996, policy did not. The students of today are more likely to be female than male, from a much wider variety of ethnic and religious backgrounds, choosing a more varied range of careers through education provided by a bewildering array of private and public providers.
    Consistency has proved more valued than difference. Six books have been shortlisted for the National Biography Award.How to provide for so many new students? Labor, for example, has advocated even more control over price, by abolishing fee-paying places for Australian students. In 1987, Canberra provided eighty-three per cent of university revenue. A note of disappointment seems to close each narrative phrase. Adhama said he had no nostalgia for military rule, but some Nigerians do.
    The picture in Africa is really mixed, said Peter Lewis, director of the African Studies program at Johns Hopkins University, who was among the researchers who conducted the Afrobarometer survey of African public opinion. The shadow minister at the time, Jenny Macklin, expressed similar views. The critic for The Tribune who had been negative but encouraging in his review of the show in Chicago, saw it again in New York and said big problems remained. At a convocation the day after the shootings, the rousing student chants filled Cassell Coliseum.
    I recognised you, dear Elizabeth, and I thank you for all that you were in life and for leaving behind an inspiring body of work for us to remember you by. They described their problem, whether depression or an eating disorder, as coming on suddenly, as if out of nowhere. Although no cities succeeded in doing this, those that got closest, like St. Alumni clad in orange and maroon, the university’s colors, huddled under a white tent for a picnic on Saturday, while the campus bookstore struggled to handle the surge in demand for Virginia Tech gear. In the years since, hundreds of thousands of Australians have accessed courses which might once have been unattainable.
    Louis were 347 per 100,000 people, less than half the rate in Philadelphia. The box, possibly introduced to pacify the infant subject, had worked: art, depiction, commemoration could proceed.
    When I called to ask, our Rolling Hills Community Association told me that my laundry had to be completely hidden in an enclosure approved by its board of directors. I knew it was there, but we had lost touch with it. Block, the pirate queen herself, whose robust voice carries much of the show, came down with a bad case of the flu, forcing her to miss several previews and even leave the show a quarter of the way through a critics’ night. Election officials gave themselves high marks on Sunday for the handling of the polls, but their comments were in sharp contrast to assessments of international observers. Labor, for example, has advocated even more control over price, by abolishing fee-paying places for Australian students. The director for global migration and quarantine at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, found reason for optimism in the study results. Had the United States been willing to discuss the military use of space with the Chinese in Geneva, that might have been enough to dissuade them from going through with it, said Jeffrey G.
    In a competitive world, thirty-seven public universities all offering a very similar form of education is, at the very least, a high-risk strategy. The closing date is August 31, and the winner will be announced in December 2007. I knew it was there, but we had lost touch with it.
    On receiving the judges’ congratulations for his dark, evocative poem, Alex Skovron commented: ‘I’m delighted and honoured to be this year’s recipient of the prize. When we first started studying life stories, people thought it was just idle curiosity — stories, isn’t that cool?

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