Hi all,

We recently published the pap= er "LISP: a southbound SDN protocol?" in IEEE ComMag, people in t= hese lists may find it interesting:

http://www.researchgate= .net/publication/280222575_LISP_a_southbound_SDN_protocol

Thanks!

Alberto

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<65174429B5AF4C45BD0798810EC48E0A32489A0B@EX-0-MB2.lancs.local> x-originating-ip: [213.205.251.102] x-iss-local-domain: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Sdn] ONF Liaison to IRTF: Publication of ONF TR-518, Relationship of SDN and NFV X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:56:53 -0000 --_000_65174429B5AF4C45BD0798810EC48E0A32489A0BEX0MB2lancsloca_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi SDN Researchers, You may be interested in a recent ONF Liaison regarding a recent ONF public= ation (TR-518 "Relationship of SDN and NFV"). 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X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 Oct 2015 04:40:49.7153 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: c620dc48-1d50-4952-8b39-df4d54d74d82 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR09MB0921 Archived-At: Cc: "'sdn@irtf.org'" Subject: Re: [Sdn] ONF Liaison to IRTF: Publication of ONF TR-518, Relationship of SDN and NFV X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 04:40:57 -0000 --_000_CY1PR09MB09228D4A508935BCC9CDE443A83C0CY1PR09MB0922namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan, The URL in your message did not work for me tonight ... but this one did: https://www.opennetworking.org/images/stories/downloads/sdn-resources/techn= ical-reports/onf2015.310_Architectural_comparison.08-2.pdf ... the difference is the hyphen in the "technical-reports" element. Thanks, BobN From: sdn [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of King, Daniel Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 4:57 PM To: 'sdn@irtf.org' Subject: [Sdn] ONF Liaison to IRTF: Publication of ONF TR-518, Relationship= of SDN and NFV Hi SDN Researchers, You may be interested in a recent ONF Liaison regarding a recent ONF public= ation (TR-518 "Relationship of SDN and NFV"). The liaison information and = link to the public document is detailed below. >> Dear colleagues, This is to inform you of the publication of ONF Technical Recommendation TR= -518, entitled Relationship of SDN and NFV. It offers perspectives on ways in which SDN an= d NFV complement and strengthen each other, and especially encourages the avoidance of silos= between SDN and NFV. The released document is available at: https://www.opennetworking.org/image= s/stories/downloads/sdn-resources/technicalreports/onf2015.310_Architectura= l_comparison.08-2.pdf We invite and encourage you to make use of it in your further consideration= of related topics. << BR, Dan. --_000_CY1PR09MB09228D4A508935BCC9CDE443A83C0CY1PR09MB0922namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Da= n,

The U= RL in your message did not work for me tonight … but this one did:

https://w= ww.opennetworking.org/images/stories/downloads/sdn-resources/technical-repo= rts/onf2015.310_Architectural_comparison.08-2.pdf

̷= 0; the difference is the hyphen in the “technical-reports” elem= ent.

Thank= s,

BobN<= o:p>

From: sdn [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On= Behalf Of King, Daniel
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 'sdn@irtf.org' <sdn@irtf.org>
Subject: [Sdn] ONF Liaison to IRTF: Publication of ONF TR-518, Relat= ionship of SDN and NFV

Hi SDN Researchers,<= /span>

You may be interested in a rece= nt ONF Liaison regarding a recent ONF publication (TR-518 “Relationsh= ip of SDN and NFV”). The liaison information and link to the pu= blic document is detailed below.

Dear colleagues,

This is to inform you of the pu= blication of ONF Technical Recommendation TR-518, entitled

Relationship of SDN and NFV<= /span>. It offers perspectives on ways in which SD= N and NFV complement

and strengthen each other, and = especially encourages the avoidance of silos between SDN and

NFV.

The released document is availa= ble at: https://www.opennetworking.org/images/stories/downloads/sdn-resources/techn= icalreports/onf2015.310_Architectural_comparison.08-2.pdf

We invite and encourage you to = make use of it in your further consideration of related topics.<= /span>

BR, Dan.

--_000_CY1PR09MB09228D4A508935BCC9CDE443A83C0CY1PR09MB0922namp_-- From nobody Sun Oct 18 08:19:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7620B1A8AAC; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 08:19:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oCmcKtma0dJh; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 08:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C5E11A8AAA; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 08:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9IFJKKm001840; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:19:20 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (79.135.99.37.dsl.gradwelldsl.co.uk [79.135.99.37] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t9IFJJSU001834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:19:20 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:19:21 +0100 Message-ID: <006d01d109b8$5dbaf120$1930d360$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdEJt6+16GzWpCoBQdikkjQmR6Q75g== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1679-8.0.0.1202-21888.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--2.907-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--2.907-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: CuNqLv8MpA0ECY7bP/j9qLheLJw6tpfxnophrTcsI7bfUZT83lbkEJRW 6398OQ0I8kJKPvReuFUPALdO5jTW8VvQ2lxoUSXg4h8r8l3l4eZ9LQinZ4QefL6qvLNjDYTwfyj BJDnutUhQSFbL1bvQASdET58jp62SWQHrLGVYdcczxHHLjrWDBx726YUs0dxnaynJ/QWoZvSrUX oW0b7CcQkCnkA3h/n1D701dfVAizuSL9OvtUca/e6+D482nHhrnqg/VrSZEiM= Archived-At: Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: [Sdn] Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller Performance X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:19:26 -0000 Hi, It surprises me that draft-ietf-bmwg-sdn-controller-benchmark-term makes no reference to RFC 7426 but instead defines its own terminology. Why is that? Thanks, Adrian -- Read my latest... Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales http://www.feedaread.com/books/Tales-from-the-Wood-9781786100924.aspx http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. From nobody Sun Oct 18 09:15:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8941A901D for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:15:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.418 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RELAY_IS_203=0.994, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2o3PWa8bUMMg for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.veryxtech.com (mail.veryxtech.com [203.196.171.45]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBE91A900A for ; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 09:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.veryxtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3570329DB; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:43:02 +0530 (IST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at veryxtech.com Received: from mail.veryxtech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.veryxtech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uX5kbcY5W-lu; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:42:56 +0530 (IST) Received: from LT015 (unknown [45.112.22.98]) by mail.veryxtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E175C30E67; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:42:55 +0530 (IST) From: "Bhuvan $Veryx Technologies$" To: "'MORTON, ALFRED C $AL$'" , References: <006d01d109b8$5dbaf120$1930d360$@olddog.co.uk> <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0BB67F953D@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0BB67F953D@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 21:45:42 +0530 Message-ID: <001a01d109c0$3ce2ea90$b6a8bfb0$@veryxtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJ5gtvcp5t4dI953h1MgpbVo1EzHgLD7HAinQpU78A= Content-Language: en-in Archived-At: Cc: sdn@irtf.org, bmwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Sdn] [bmwg] Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller Performance X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:15:53 -0000 Hi Al and Adrian, Sorry that we missed this comment in the last revision. Thanks for bringing this again. We will certainly reference the terms that are already defined and serves the purpose in next revision. Thanks, Bhuvan (Co-Author - Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller Performance draft) -----Original Message----- From: bmwg [mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of MORTON, ALFRED C (AL) Sent: 18 October 2015 20:57 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; bmwg@ietf.org Cc: sdn@irtf.org Subject: Re: [bmwg] Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller Performance Hi Adrian, thanks for your comment. One of my earlier comments (as co-chair, I believe) was that the terminology needed to be synchronized with RFC 7426 (which had just been published when I made the comment). I see that the authors reproduced the definitions from RFCs, rather than listing them as terms defined elsewhere. "path" from RFC 2330 is another example. So, the first comment is to embrace the existing terminology through references. Then, more of us will be using the same terms, and reviews of this work will be more efficient. regards, Al (as co-chair) > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwg [mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:19 AM > To: bmwg@ietf.org > Cc: sdn@irtf.org > Subject: [bmwg] Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller > Performance > > Hi, > > It surprises me that draft-ietf-bmwg-sdn-controller-benchmark-term > makes no reference to RFC 7426 but instead defines its own > terminology. 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--001a11356082eb794905227b3a24-- From nobody Wed Oct 21 02:15:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12ACB1A0266 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:15:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.312 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.312 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qcUhXPUnAPE8 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon24.um.es (xenon24.um.es [155.54.212.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EDF1A0263 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon24.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF922286D; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:15:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon24.um.es Received: from xenon24.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon24.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aTw3W3sve4ed; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:15:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from inf-205-216.inf.um.es (inf-205-216.inf.um.es [155.54.205.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: rafa) by xenon24.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7DDA288E; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:15:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Rafa Marin Lopez Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 11:15:10 +0200 Message-Id: To: sdn@irtf.org, i2nsf@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 $3094$) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: Gabriel Lopez , Alejandro Abad UM , Rafa Marin Lopez Subject: [Sdn] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:15:23 -0000 Dear all: You may find a new update about Software-Defined Networking (SDN)-based = IPsec Flow Protection in this link: = https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-01.tx= t We have added some minor modifications and a section to explain the = relationship with I2NSF work. Comments are really welcome. Best Regards. ------------------------------------------------------- Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30100 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es ------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Oct 21 15:44:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8131B1B3325 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:43:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6IpWAmqGM-o for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfwrgout.huawei.com (dfwrgout.huawei.com [206.16.17.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3176F1B3324 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.9.243 (EHLO dfweml703-chm.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.9.243]) by dfwrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CSD67327; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:43:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml703-chm ([10.193.5.130]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 15:43:41 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Rafa Marin Lopez , "sdn@irtf.org" , "i2nsf@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection Thread-Index: AQHRC+EPdOyopARHkkmGFGA4dOdSzZ52iqFw Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:43:40 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D71571@dfweml701-chm> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.236] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: Gabriel Lopez , Alejandro Abad UM Subject: Re: [Sdn] [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:43:58 -0000 Rafa,=20 Thank you very much for sharing the draft.=20 Can you elaborate what kind of IPSec policies that Apps can give to "SDN Co= ntroller"?=20 I am not an expert on IPSec, so pardon me if my question is not correct: i= f client needs "protected IPsec traffic", can them simply establish two par= allel IPSec tunnels?=20 What is your goal? Only to give use cases for IPSec policy? Or do you plan= to dive in one step further to define the semantics of the polices or rule= s for IPSec? =20 Thanks, Linda=20 -----Original Message----- From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rafa Marin Lopez Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15 AM To: sdn@irtf.org; i2nsf@ietf.org Cc: Gabriel Lopez; Alejandro Abad UM; Rafa Marin Lopez Subject: [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection Dear all: You may find a new update about Software-Defined Networking (SDN)-based IPs= ec Flow Protection in this link: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-01.txt We have added some minor modifications and a section to explain the relatio= nship with I2NSF work. Comments are really welcome. Best Regards. ------------------------------------------------------- Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of Computer= Science-University of Murcia 30100 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es ------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ I2nsf mailing list I2nsf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf From nobody Thu Oct 22 01:20:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5C01B2F48 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:20:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TpkMXF8gOxAs for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon23.um.es (xenon23.um.es [155.54.212.163]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139E31B2F43 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F97366D; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:20:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon23.um.es Received: from xenon23.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon23.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xOfPJ+2OvEmf; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:20:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eduroam_um-7-128.inf.um.es (eduroam_um-7-128.inf.um.es [155.54.7.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: rafa) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F14C16E0; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:19:58 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 $3094$) From: Rafa Marin Lopez In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D71571@dfweml701-chm> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:19:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <89725C38-5C24-44B2-9957-BAD267993F92@um.es> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D71571@dfweml701-chm> To: Linda Dunbar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: "i2nsf@ietf.org" , Gabriel Lopez , "sdn@irtf.org" , Alejandro Abad UM , Rafa Marin Lopez Subject: Re: [Sdn] [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:20:07 -0000 Dear Linda: First of all, thanks for commenting on our draft. > El 22 oct 2015, a las 0:43, Linda Dunbar = escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > Rafa,=20 >=20 > Thank you very much for sharing the draft.=20 >=20 > Can you elaborate what kind of IPSec policies that Apps can give to = "SDN Controller=E2=80=9D?=20 > I am not an expert on IPSec, so pardon me if my question is not = correct: if client needs "protected IPsec traffic", can them simply = establish two parallel IPSec tunnels?=20 Any question is good. So, thank you. Let me try to clarify. When you = want to establish an IPsec protected tunnel you have to configure = rules/policies to determine what kind of traffic you want to protect.=20 Imagine you have* : =20 Network A(172.16.1.0/24) =E2=80=94 GW_A = (192.168.1.100/24)-Internet-(192.168.2.100/24) GW_B - (172.16.2.0/24) = Network_B With ipsec-tools in Linux you define the following policies to protect = traffic between both networks with a tunnel. Administrators of both = networks have to configure this in both GW_A and GW_B : spdadd 172.16.1.0/24 172.16.2.0/24 any -P out ipsec esp/tunnel/192.168.1.100-192.168.2.100/require; spdadd 172.16.2.0/24 172.16.1.0/24 any -P in ipsec esp/tunnel/192.168.2.100-192.168.1.100/require; *See the detailed example in Fig. 5 in = http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x304.html Moreover it has to specify other parameters such as credentials to be = used to establish IKE SA, cryptographic algorithms etc=E2=80=A6 >=20 > What is your goal? Only to give use cases for IPSec policy? Our goal is to automatize the management of IPsec security associations = so that administrators do not have add those rules in each device. The = general idea stemmed from the following principle: To establish an IPsec security association you run first IKE to = negotiate the IPsec SA (control plane). Once it is established some = parameters are configured in the kernel of the network devices, so they = can process the IP packets with IPsec before forwarding (data plane). So = for us, there is a clear separation between these two planes. Additionally, please think that IPsec uses packet filtering (and = cryptography). In this sense we consider that a NSF can perform this = task. Thus, some interface as those to be defined in I2NSF may be = required. Btw, you can find a YANG model for ipsec in the following = link: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tran-ipecme-yang-ipsec-00 > Or do you plan to dive in one step further to define the semantics of = the polices or rules for IPSec? =20 If I understand correctly your question I will say the semantics and = rules for IPsec are already there as shown in the example. Another thing = to consider is to define through an application a more general rule such = as =E2=80=9CI want to protect traffic against eavesdropping between = these two networks" that is finally translated in more specific IPsec = policies We hope this clarify your doubts. In any case, if you have any other = question do not hesitate to ask.=20 Best Regards. >=20 > Thanks, Linda=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rafa Marin = Lopez > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15 AM > To: sdn@irtf.org; i2nsf@ietf.org > Cc: Gabriel Lopez; Alejandro Abad UM; Rafa Marin Lopez > Subject: [I2nsf] New update of = draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection >=20 > Dear all: >=20 > You may find a new update about Software-Defined Networking = (SDN)-based IPsec Flow Protection in this link: >=20 > = https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-01.tx= t >=20 > We have added some minor modifications and a section to explain the = relationship with I2NSF work. >=20 > Comments are really welcome. >=20 > Best Regards. >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD > Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of = Computer Science-University of Murcia > 30100 Murcia - Spain > Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es > ------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf ------------------------------------------------------- Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD Dept. 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client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: rafa) by xenon23.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C8817088; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:54:18 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 $3094$) From: Rafa Marin Lopez In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D7208A@dfweml701-chm> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:54:17 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D71571@dfweml701-chm> <89725C38-5C24-44B2-9957-BAD267993F92@um.es> <160732AF-02A9-48FB-BF91-94412A1688C0@um.es> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D7208A@dfweml701-chm> To: Linda Dunbar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: "i2nsf@ietf.org" , Gabriel Lopez , "sdn@irtf.org" , Alejandro Abad UM , Rafa Marin Lopez Subject: Re: [Sdn] [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:54:38 -0000 Hi Linda: > El 22 oct 2015, a las 22:06, Linda Dunbar = escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > Rafa and Gabi, > =20 > Thank you very much for the explanation. That is very helpful. > =20 > Based on your explanation, the Capability Layer interface for IPSec = has been defined If you are referring to the YANG model with IPsec then we have a good = step with draft-wang-ipsecme-ipsec-yang > but there is need for the Service Layer rules for IPSec. The service = layer IPSec rules can be applied to many pairs of IPsec tunnels, so that = administrators don=E2=80=99t need to manually setup each one. Is my = understanding correct? Right, that is also our understanding.=20 > =20 > Is it true that the IKE policies can be utilized between Security = Controller and Client for the Service Layer interface? Yes, that might be a possibility, though we understand a deeper analysis = is required. Best Regards. > =20 > Thanks, Linda > =20 > From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Lopez > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:32 AM > To: Rafa Marin Lopez > Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; sdn@irtf.org; Alejandro Abad UM; Linda Dunbar > Subject: Re: [I2nsf] [Sdn] New update of = draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection > =20 > =20 > Hi, > =20 > Thanks for the review. > =20 > Please, note that the draft also include IKE policies. > =20 > As described in Rafa=E2=80=99s response, IKE allows two peers to = dynamically negotiate the cryptography material for IPSec in a secure = way. > An example of IKE policies could be: > =20 > ike { > proposal proposal-1 { > authentication-method pre-shared-keys; > dh-group group1; > authentication-algorithm sha1; > encryption-algorithm 3des-cbc; > lifetime-seconds 1000; > } > proposal proposal-2 { > authentication-method pre-shared-keys; > dh-group group2; > authentication-algorithm md5; > encryption-algorithm des-cbc; > lifetime-seconds 10000; > } > =20 > Best regards, Gabi. > =20 > =20 > El 22 oct 2015, a las 10:19, Rafa Marin Lopez escribi=C3=B3= : > =20 > Dear Linda: >=20 > First of all, thanks for commenting on our draft. >=20 >=20 > El 22 oct 2015, a las 0:43, Linda Dunbar = escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > Rafa,=20 >=20 > Thank you very much for sharing the draft.=20 >=20 > Can you elaborate what kind of IPSec policies that Apps can give to = "SDN Controller=E2=80=9D?=20 > I am not an expert on IPSec, so pardon me if my question is not = correct: if client needs "protected IPsec traffic", can them simply = establish two parallel IPSec tunnels?=20 >=20 > Any question is good. So, thank you. Let me try to clarify. When you = want to establish an IPsec protected tunnel you have to configure = rules/policies to determine what kind of traffic you want to protect.=20 >=20 > Imagine you have* : =20 >=20 > Network A(172.16.1.0/24) =E2=80=94 GW_A = (192.168.1.100/24)-Internet-(192.168.2.100/24) GW_B - (172.16.2.0/24) = Network_B >=20 > With ipsec-tools in Linux you define the following policies to protect = traffic between both networks with a tunnel. Administrators of both = networks have to configure this in both GW_A and GW_B : >=20 > spdadd 172.16.1.0/24 172.16.2.0/24 any -P out ipsec > esp/tunnel/192.168.1.100-192.168.2.100/require; >=20 > spdadd 172.16.2.0/24 172.16.1.0/24 any -P in ipsec > esp/tunnel/192.168.2.100-192.168.1.100/require; >=20 > *See the detailed example in Fig. 5 in = http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x304.html >=20 > Moreover it has to specify other parameters such as credentials to be = used to establish IKE SA, cryptographic algorithms etc=E2=80=A6 >=20 >=20 >=20 > What is your goal? Only to give use cases for IPSec policy? >=20 > Our goal is to automatize the management of IPsec security = associations so that administrators do not have add those rules in each = device. The general idea stemmed from the following principle: >=20 > To establish an IPsec security association you run first IKE to = negotiate the IPsec SA (control plane). Once it is established some = parameters are configured in the kernel of the network devices, so they = can process the IP packets with IPsec before forwarding (data plane). So = for us, there is a clear separation between these two planes. >=20 > Additionally, please think that IPsec uses packet filtering (and = cryptography). In this sense we consider that a NSF can perform this = task. Thus, some interface as those to be defined in I2NSF may be = required. Btw, you can find a YANG model for ipsec in the following = link: >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tran-ipecme-yang-ipsec-00 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Or do you plan to dive in one step further to define the semantics of = the polices or rules for IPSec? =20 >=20 > If I understand correctly your question I will say the semantics and = rules for IPsec are already there as shown in the example. Another thing = to consider is to define through an application a more general rule such = as =E2=80=9CI want to protect traffic against eavesdropping between = these two networks" that is finally translated in more specific IPsec = policies >=20 > We hope this clarify your doubts. In any case, if you have any other = question do not hesitate to ask.=20 >=20 > Best Regards. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, Linda=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rafa Marin = Lopez > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15 AM > To: sdn@irtf.org; i2nsf@ietf.org > Cc: Gabriel Lopez; Alejandro Abad UM; Rafa Marin Lopez > Subject: [I2nsf] New update of = draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection >=20 > Dear all: >=20 > You may find a new update about Software-Defined Networking = (SDN)-based IPsec Flow Protection in this link: >=20 > = https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-01.tx= t >=20 > We have added some minor modifications and a section to explain the = relationship with I2NSF work. >=20 > Comments are really welcome. >=20 > Best Regards. >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD > Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of = Computer Science-University of Murcia > 30100 Murcia - Spain > Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es > ------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I2nsf mailing list > I2nsf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD > Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) > Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia > 30100 Murcia - Spain > Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es > ------------------------------------------------------- >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn > =20 > =20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Gabriel L=C3=B3pez Mill=C3=A1n > Departamento de Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Informaci=C3=B3n y las = Comunicaciones > University of Murcia > Spain > Tel: +34 868888504 > Fax: +34 868884151 > email: gabilm@um.es ------------------------------------------------------- Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD Dept. 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To: Dacheng Zhang X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: Sam Hartman , "sdn@irtf.org" , Alejandro Abad UM , "i2nsf@ietf.org" , Linda Dunbar , Rafa Marin Lopez , Mahesh Jethanandani Subject: Re: [Sdn] [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:58:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F67A2683-9731-4F49-99F1-D6BB0C65A83D Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7342DEE8-2477-451F-8B0A-0A018D495361" --Apple-Mail=_7342DEE8-2477-451F-8B0A-0A018D495361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Hi Dacheng, > El 23 oct 2015, a las 4:20, Dacheng Zhang = escribi=A8=AE: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Maybe this work is not really considered in the current agenda. But I > think it is very interesting. Also, I am thinking whether the similar = idea > can be used to mange the policies of securing routing protocols. I=A1=AFm not an expert on security routing protocols, but I think the = idea es basically the same: to provide key material to the peers = (router, ipsec peer, etc.). > We used > to specify a key table specification for different routing protocols. = At > that time, someone mentioned it could be a good idea to use = controllers to > deploy keys for routing protocols, so that we don=A1=AFt have to = extend IKEv2 > to negotiate them. >=20 > Thoughts? It would depend on how routers trust each other. In our example, an = IPSec peer could be provisioned with cryptographic keys from the = controller (in the case peers belong to the same domain) or they could = make use of IKE to dynamically negotiate these keys. Best regards, Gabi. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Dacheng >=20 > =D4=DA 15-10-23 =C9=CF=CE=E75:54=A3=AC "I2nsf on behalf of Rafa Marin = Lopez" > =D0=B4=C8=EB: >=20 >> Hi Linda: >>=20 >>> El 22 oct 2015, a las 22:06, Linda Dunbar >>> escribi=A8=AE: >>>=20 >>> Rafa and Gabi, >>>=20 >>> Thank you very much for the explanation. That is very helpful. >>>=20 >>> Based on your explanation, the Capability Layer interface for IPSec >>> has been defined >>=20 >> If you are referring to the YANG model with IPsec then we have a good >> step with draft-wang-ipsecme-ipsec-yang >>=20 >>> but there is need for the Service Layer rules for IPSec. The service >>> layer IPSec rules can be applied to many pairs of IPsec tunnels, so = that >>> administrators don=A1=AFt need to manually setup each one. Is my >>> understanding correct? >>=20 >> Right, that is also our understanding. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Is it true that the IKE policies can be utilized between Security >>> Controller and Client for the Service Layer interface? >>=20 >> Yes, that might be a possibility, though we understand a deeper = analysis >> is required. >>=20 >> Best Regards. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, Linda >>>=20 >>> From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel = Lopez >>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:32 AM >>> To: Rafa Marin Lopez >>> Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; sdn@irtf.org; Alejandro Abad UM; Linda Dunbar >>> Subject: Re: [I2nsf] [Sdn] New update of >>> draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> Thanks for the review. >>>=20 >>> Please, note that the draft also include IKE policies. >>>=20 >>> As described in Rafa=A1=AFs response, IKE allows two peers to = dynamically >>> negotiate the cryptography material for IPSec in a secure way. >>> An example of IKE policies could be: >>>=20 >>> ike { >>> proposal proposal-1 { >>> authentication-method pre-shared-keys; >>> dh-group group1; >>> authentication-algorithm sha1; >>> encryption-algorithm 3des-cbc; >>> lifetime-seconds 1000; >>> } >>> proposal proposal-2 { >>> authentication-method pre-shared-keys; >>> dh-group group2; >>> authentication-algorithm md5; >>> encryption-algorithm des-cbc; >>> lifetime-seconds 10000; >>> } >>>=20 >>> Best regards, Gabi. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> El 22 oct 2015, a las 10:19, Rafa Marin Lopez = escribi=A8=AE: >>>=20 >>> Dear Linda: >>>=20 >>> First of all, thanks for commenting on our draft. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> El 22 oct 2015, a las 0:43, Linda Dunbar >>> escribi=A8=AE: >>>=20 >>> Rafa, >>>=20 >>> Thank you very much for sharing the draft. >>>=20 >>> Can you elaborate what kind of IPSec policies that Apps can give to >>> "SDN Controller=A1=B1? >>> I am not an expert on IPSec, so pardon me if my question is not >>> correct: if client needs "protected IPsec traffic", can them simply >>> establish two parallel IPSec tunnels? >>>=20 >>> Any question is good. So, thank you. Let me try to clarify. When you >>> want to establish an IPsec protected tunnel you have to configure >>> rules/policies to determine what kind of traffic you want to = protect. >>>=20 >>> Imagine you have* : >>>=20 >>> Network A(172.16.1.0/24) =A1=AA GW_A >>> (192.168.1.100/24)-Internet-(192.168.2.100/24) GW_B - = (172.16.2.0/24) >>> Network_B >>>=20 >>> With ipsec-tools in Linux you define the following policies to = protect >>> traffic between both networks with a tunnel. Administrators of both >>> networks have to configure this in both GW_A and GW_B : >>>=20 >>> spdadd 172.16.1.0/24 172.16.2.0/24 any -P out ipsec >>> esp/tunnel/192.168.1.100-192.168.2.100/require; >>>=20 >>> spdadd 172.16.2.0/24 172.16.1.0/24 any -P in ipsec >>> esp/tunnel/192.168.2.100-192.168.1.100/require; >>>=20 >>> *See the detailed example in Fig. 5 in >>> http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x304.html >>>=20 >>> Moreover it has to specify other parameters such as credentials to = be >>> used to establish IKE SA, cryptographic algorithms etc=A1=AD >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> What is your goal? Only to give use cases for IPSec policy? >>>=20 >>> Our goal is to automatize the management of IPsec security = associations >>> so that administrators do not have add those rules in each device. = The >>> general idea stemmed from the following principle: >>>=20 >>> To establish an IPsec security association you run first IKE to >>> negotiate the IPsec SA (control plane). Once it is established some >>> parameters are configured in the kernel of the network devices, so = they >>> can process the IP packets with IPsec before forwarding (data = plane). So >>> for us, there is a clear separation between these two planes. >>>=20 >>> Additionally, please think that IPsec uses packet filtering (and >>> cryptography). In this sense we consider that a NSF can perform this >>> task. Thus, some interface as those to be defined in I2NSF may be >>> required. Btw, you can find a YANG model for ipsec in the following = link: >>>=20 >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tran-ipecme-yang-ipsec-00 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Or do you plan to dive in one step further to define the semantics = of >>> the polices or rules for IPSec? >>>=20 >>> If I understand correctly your question I will say the semantics and >>> rules for IPsec are already there as shown in the example. Another = thing >>> to consider is to define through an application a more general rule = such >>> as =A1=B0I want to protect traffic against eavesdropping between = these two >>> networks" that is finally translated in more specific IPsec policies >>>=20 >>> We hope this clarify your doubts. In any case, if you have any other >>> question do not hesitate to ask. >>>=20 >>> Best Regards. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, Linda >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rafa Marin >>> Lopez >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15 AM >>> To: sdn@irtf.org; i2nsf@ietf.org >>> Cc: Gabriel Lopez; Alejandro Abad UM; Rafa Marin Lopez >>> Subject: [I2nsf] New update of >>> draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection >>>=20 >>> Dear all: >>>=20 >>> You may find a new update about Software-Defined Networking = (SDN)-based >>> IPsec Flow Protection in this link: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-01.t >>> xt >>>=20 >>> We have added some minor modifications and a section to explain the >>> relationship with I2NSF work. >>>=20 >>> Comments are really welcome. >>>=20 >>> Best Regards. >>>=20 >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD >>> Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of >>> Computer Science-University of Murcia >>> 30100 Murcia - Spain >>> Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> I2nsf mailing list >>> I2nsf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >>>=20 >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>> Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD >>> Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) >>> Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia >>> 30100 Murcia - Spain >>> Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es >>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sdn mailing list >>> sdn@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>> Gabriel L=A8=AEpez Mill=A8=A2n >>> Departamento de Ingenier=A8=AAa de la Informaci=A8=AEn y las = Comunicaciones >>> University of Murcia >>> Spain >>> Tel: +34 868888504 >>> Fax: +34 868884151 >>> email: gabilm@um.es >>=20 >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD >> Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) >> Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia >> 30100 Murcia - Spain >> Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es >> ------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >=20 >=20 ----------------------------------------------------------- Gabriel L=A8=AEpez Mill=A8=A2n Departamento de Ingenier=A8=AAa de la Informaci=A8=AEn y las = Comunicaciones University of Murcia Spain Tel: +34 868888504 Fax: +34 868884151 email: gabilm@um.es --Apple-Mail=_7342DEE8-2477-451F-8B0A-0A018D495361 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=gb2312

Hi Dacheng,

El 23 oct 2015, a las 4:20, Dacheng Zhang = <dacheng.zdc@alibaba-inc.com> escribi=A8=AE:

Hi, =

Maybe this work is not really considered = in the current agenda. But I
think it is very interesting. = Also, I am thinking whether the similar idea
can be used = to mange the policies of securing routing protocols. =

I=A1=AFm not an = expert on security routing protocols, but I think the idea es basically = the same: to provide key material to the peers (router, ipsec = peer, etc.).

We used
to = specify a key table specification for different routing protocols. At
that time, someone mentioned it could be a good idea to use = controllers to
deploy keys for routing protocols, so that = we don=A1=AFt have to extend IKEv2
to negotiate them.

Thoughts?

It= would depend on how routers trust each other. In our example, an IPSec = peer could be provisioned with cryptographic keys from the controller = (in the case peers belong to the same domain) or they could make use of = IKE to dynamically negotiate these keys.

Best regards, Gabi.

Cheers

Dacheng

=D4=DA 15-10-23 =C9=CF=CE=E75:54=A3=AC "I2nsf = on behalf of Rafa Marin Lopez"
<i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rafa@um.es> =D0=B4=C8=EB:

Hi = Linda:

El 22 oct 2015, a las 22:06, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
escribi=A8=AE:
Rafa and Gabi,

Thank you very much for the explanation. That is very = helpful.

Based on your explanation, = the Capability Layer interface for IPSec
has been = defined

If you are referring = to the YANG model with IPsec then we have a good
step with = draft-wang-ipsecme-ipsec-yang

but there is need for the Service Layer rules = for IPSec. The service
layer IPSec rules can be applied to = many pairs of IPsec tunnels, so that
administrators don=A1=AF= t need to manually setup each one. Is my
understanding = correct?

Right, that is also = our understanding.

Is it true that the IKE policies can be = utilized between Security
Controller and Client for the = Service Layer interface?

Yes, = that might be a possibility, though we understand a deeper analysis
is required.

Best Regards.

Thanks, Linda

From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel = Lopez
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:32 AM
To: Rafa Marin Lopez
Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; sdn@irtf.org; Alejandro Abad = UM; Linda Dunbar
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] [Sdn] New update = of
draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection

Hi,

Thanks for the review.

Please, = note that the draft also include IKE policies.

As described in Rafa=A1=AFs response, IKE allows two peers to = dynamically
negotiate the cryptography material for IPSec = in a secure way.
An example of IKE policies could be:

ike {
=            proposal= proposal-1 {
=             &n= bsp;          authentica= tion-method pre-shared-keys;
=             &n= bsp;          dh-group = group1;
=             &n= bsp;          authentica= tion-algorithm sha1;
=             &n= bsp;          encryption= -algorithm 3des-cbc;
=             &n= bsp;          lifetime-s= econds 1000;
=            }
=            proposal= proposal-2 {
=             &n= bsp;          authentica= tion-method pre-shared-keys;
=             &n= bsp;          dh-group = group2;
=             &n= bsp;          authentica= tion-algorithm md5;
=             &n= bsp;          encryption= -algorithm des-cbc;
=             &n= bsp;          lifetime-s= econds 10000;
}

Best regards, = Gabi.

El 22 oct 2015, a las = 10:19, Rafa Marin Lopez <rafa@um.es> escribi=A8=AE:

Dear Linda:

First of all, thanks = for commenting on our draft.

El 22 oct 2015, a las 0:43, Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@huawei.com>
escribi=A8=AE:
Rafa,

Thank you = very much for sharing the draft.

Can you = elaborate what kind of IPSec policies that Apps can give to
"SDN Controller=A1=B1?
I am not an expert on = IPSec, so pardon me if my question is not
correct: = if client needs "protected IPsec traffic", can them simply
establish two parallel IPSec tunnels?

Any question is good. So, thank you. Let me try to clarify. = When you
want to establish an IPsec protected tunnel you = have to configure
rules/policies to determine what kind of = traffic you want to protect.

Imagine you = have* :

Network A(172.16.1.0/24) =A1=AA = GW_A
(192.168.1.100/24)-Internet-(192.168.2.100/24) GW_B - = (172.16.2.0/24)
Network_B

With = ipsec-tools in Linux you define the following policies to protect
traffic between both networks with a tunnel. Administrators = of both
networks have to configure this in both GW_A and = GW_B :

spdadd 172.16.1.0/24 172.16.2.0/24 = any -P out ipsec
=          esp/tunnel/192.168.1= .100-192.168.2.100/require;

spdadd = 172.16.2.0/24 172.16.1.0/24 any -P in ipsec
=          esp/tunnel/192.168.2= .100-192.168.1.100/require;

*See the = detailed example in Fig. 5 in
http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x304.html

Moreover it has to specify other parameters such as = credentials to be
used to establish IKE SA, cryptographic = algorithms etc=A1=AD

What is your goal? Only to give use cases for IPSec = policy?

Our goal is to automatize the = management of IPsec security associations
so that = administrators do not have add those rules in each device. The
general idea stemmed from the following principle:

To establish an IPsec security association you = run first IKE to
negotiate the IPsec SA (control plane). = Once it is established some
parameters are configured in = the kernel of the network devices, so they
can process the = IP packets with IPsec before forwarding (data plane). So
for= us, there is a clear separation between these two planes.

Additionally, please think that IPsec uses = packet filtering (and
cryptography). In this sense we = consider that a NSF can perform this
task. Thus, some = interface as those to be defined in I2NSF may be
required. = Btw, you can find a YANG model for ipsec in the following link:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tran-ipecme-yang-ipsec-00

Or do you plan = to dive in one step further to define the semantics of
the = polices or rules for IPSec?

If I understand = correctly your question I will say the semantics and
rules = for IPsec are already there as shown in the example. Another thing
to consider is to define through an application a more = general rule such
as =A1=B0I want to protect traffic = against eavesdropping between these two
networks" that is = finally translated in more specific IPsec policies

We hope this clarify your doubts. In any case, if you have = any other
question do not hesitate to ask.
Best Regards.

Thanks, Linda

-----Original = Message-----
From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Rafa Marin
Lopez
Sent: = Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15 AM
To: sdn@irtf.org; = i2nsf@ietf.org
Cc: Gabriel Lopez; Alejandro Abad UM; Rafa = Marin Lopez
Subject: [I2nsf] New update of
draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection

Dear all:

You may find a new = update about Software-Defined Networking (SDN)-based
IPsec = Flow Protection in this link:

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-prote= ction-01.t
xt

We have added = some minor modifications and a section to explain the
relationship with I2NSF work.

Comments are really welcome.

Best = Regards.

-------------------------------------------------------
Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD
Dept. Information and = Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of
Computer = Science-University of Murcia
30100 Murcia - Spain
Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
-------------------------------------------------------

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I2nsf@ietf.org
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-------------------------------------------------------
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Dept. Information and = Communications Engineering (DIIC)
Faculty of Computer = Science-University of Murcia
30100 Murcia - Spain
Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
-------------------------------------------------------

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https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn

-----------------------------------------------------------
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Departamento de = Ingenier=A8=AAa de la Informaci=A8=AEn y las Comunicaciones
University of Murcia
Spain
Tel: = +34 868888504
Fax: +34 868884151
email: = gabilm@um.es

-------------------------------------------------------
Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD
Dept. Information and = Communications Engineering (DIIC)
Faculty of Computer = Science-University of Murcia
30100 Murcia - Spain
Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es
-------------------------------------------------------

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-----------------------------------------------------------
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Departamento de = Ingenier=A8=AAa de la Informaci=A8=AEn y las Comunicaciones
University of Murcia
Spain
Tel: = +34 868888504
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Date: Monday, November 2, 2015. Time: 9:00-11:30 Monday Morning session I Location: Room 502 Agenda: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/agenda/agenda-94-sdnrg Presenters, please ( ) provide yo= ur slides no later than Sunday November 1st (AM JST). Mina-san douzo yoi-tabi wo, Yokohama de oai-dekiru nowo tanoshimi-ni shitei= masu. (Safe travels and looking forward to our Yokohama research group meet= ing.) 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Received: from NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90]) by NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com ([fe80::108a:1006:9f54:fd90%25]) with mapi; Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:26:41 -0400 From: "MORTON, ALFRED C (AL)" To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "bmwg@ietf.org" Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 11:26:40 -0400 Thread-Topic: [bmwg] Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller Performance Thread-Index: AdEJt6+16GzWpCoBQdikkjQmR6Q75gAAN1LQ Message-ID: <4AF73AA205019A4C8A1DDD32C034631D0BB67F953D@NJFPSRVEXG0.research.att.com> References: <006d01d109b8$5dbaf120$1930d360$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006d01d109b8$5dbaf120$1930d360$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:54:36 -0700 Cc: "sdn@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Sdn] [bmwg] Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller Performance X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 15:29:13 -0000 Hi Adrian, thanks for your comment. One of my earlier comments (as co-chair, I believe) was that the terminology needed to be synchronized with RFC 7426 (which had just been published when I made the comment). I see that the authors reproduced the definitions from RFCs, rather than listing them as terms defined elsewhere. "path" from RFC 2330 is another example. So, the first comment is to embrace the existing terminology through references. Then, more of us will be using the same terms, and reviews of this work will be more efficient. regards, Al (as co-chair) > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwg [mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 11:19 AM > To: bmwg@ietf.org > Cc: sdn@irtf.org > Subject: [bmwg] Terminology for Benchmarking SDN Controller Performance >=20 > Hi, >=20 > It surprises me that draft-ietf-bmwg-sdn-controller-benchmark-term makes > no reference to RFC 7426 but instead defines its own terminology. Why is > that? >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian > -- > Read my latest... > Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales > http://www.feedaread.com/books/Tales-from-the-Wood-9781786100924.aspx > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 > Or buy from me direct. >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > bmwg mailing list > bmwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwg From nobody Mon Oct 26 15:54:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871C41A1B8C for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:34:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aiVIpOfB-Bmx for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D37421A1B11 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.122]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id AB64DD8ADE089 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712wxchhub03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.74]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t9JDYW83004961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:34:33 +0200 Received: from [172.27.205.110] (135.239.27.38) by FR712WXCHHUB03.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:34:32 +0200 References: <5624EEC3.40509@alcatel-lucent.com> To: From: Laurent Ciavaglia Organization: Alcatel-Lucent Bell Labs France X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <5624EEC3.40509@alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <5624F167.7030600@alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:34:31 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5624EEC3.40509@alcatel-lucent.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080104000503040800070904" X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.38] Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:54:37 -0700 Subject: [Sdn] Fwd: IETF94 / 38th NMRG meeting - Call for Contributions on Managing Networks of Adaptive and Cooperative Agents X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:34:38 -0000 --------------080104000503040800070904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear SDN RG particpants, The call for the next NMRG meeting in Yokohama might be of interest to you. Thanks, Laurent. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: IETF94 / 38th NMRG meeting - Call for Contributions on Managing Networks of Adaptive and Cooperative Agents Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:23:15 +0200 From: Laurent Ciavaglia Organization: Alcatel-Lucent Bell Labs France To: nmrg@irtf.org CC: Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville , Olivier Festor Dear NMRG community, On behalf of the NMRG Chairs, please find below a call for contributions for the upcoming NMRG meeting during IETF94 week in Yokohama. Thanks, best regards, Laurent. *** CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS *** *Managing Networks of Adaptive and Cooperative Agents* As communication networks become more capable and more autonomous, new challenges arise for their (self-)organization and (self-)operation. How can management adapt and cope with the increased dynamicity and versatility introduced by networks composed of adaptive and cooperative agents? This 38th NMRG meeting aims at exploring new techniques and approaches, from various disciplines, addressing (but not limited to) the following questions and challenges: -How to steer the global network behavior resulting from self-organization where agents have their own goals and actions? -What could be the role of intent-based networking in situation where the system's goal "emerges" from the agents interactions? -How to build and leverage the knowledge produced at the micro (agent) and macro (network) levels? How to correlate and make sense out of measurements and data from heterogeneous sources? -How to verify and test the behavior of systems with the intrinsic faculty of adapting to changing conditions? -How to make the operations scale? To which extent are the new techniques and solutions actionable, "computable"...? -What coordination schemes could be designed to both take benefits from the agents' built-in ability to cooperate and guarantee an overall safe network operation in the presence of different (sometimes conflicting) goals? -How can the management techniques leverage on the new properties and features introduced by adaptive and cooperative agents, i.e. applying the same techniques to the management plane itself. The main goal of the meeting is to identify topics of high interest for further research and investigations by the network management community, highlighting the potential needs for future standardization. To this end, the meeting will have a few short presentations and hopefully enough time for open and fruitful discussions . Please send your proposal for presentation to the NMRG mailing list and kindly include: Topic: Presenter name: Time requested: Brief description of the topic: Pointer to references (internet draft(s), paper(s), website...) if any: The 38th NMRG meeting will take place on Monday, November 2, 2015 - from 17:10 to 19:10 - in room 413. *** -- Bien cordialement, Best regards, *Laurent Ciavaglia* Secure Cloud Networking Bell Labs | Alcatel Lucent phone: +33 160 402 636 email: laurent.ciavaglia@alcatel-lucent.com linkedin: laurentciavaglia address: Route de Villejust | 91620 Nozay | France --------------080104000503040800070904 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear SDN RG particpants,

The call for the next NMRG meeting in Yokohama might be of interest to you.

Thanks, Laurent.

-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:	IETF94 / 38th NMRG meeting - Call for Contributions on Managing Networks of Adaptive and Cooperative Agents
Date:	Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:23:15 +0200
From:	Laurent Ciavaglia <Laurent.Ciavaglia@alcatel-lucent.com>
Organization:	Alcatel-Lucent Bell Labs France
To:	nmrg@irtf.org <nmrg@irtf.org>
CC:	Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville <granville@inf.ufrgs.br>, Olivier Festor <Olivier.Festor@inria.fr>

Dear NMRG community,

On behalf of the NMRG Chairs, please find below a call for contributions for the upcoming NMRG meeting during IETF94 week in Yokohama.

Thanks, best regards, Laurent.

        *** CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS ***
Managing Networks of Adaptive and Cooperative Agents

As communication networks become more capable and more autonomous, new challenges arise for their (self-)organization and (self-)operation.
How can management adapt and cope with the increased dynamicity and versatility introduced by networks composed of adaptive and cooperative agents?
This 38th NMRG meeting aims at exploring new techniques and approaches, from various disciplines, addressing (but not limited to) the following questions and challenges:
    -How to steer the global network behavior resulting from self-organization where agents have their own goals and actions?
    -What could be the role of intent-based networking in situation where the system's goal "emerges" from the agents interactions?
    -How to build and leverage the knowledge produced at the micro (agent) and macro (network) levels? How to correlate and make sense out of measurements and data from heterogeneous sources?
    -How to verify and test the behavior of systems with the intrinsic faculty of adapting to changing conditions?
    -How to make the operations scale? To which extent are the new techniques and solutions actionable, "computable"...?
    -What coordination schemes could be designed to both take benefits from the agents' built-in ability to cooperate and guarantee an overall safe network operation in the presence of different (sometimes conflicting) goals?
    -How can the management techniques leverage on the new properties and features introduced by adaptive and cooperative agents, i.e. applying the same techniques to the management plane itself.

The main goal of the meeting is to identify topics of high interest for further research and investigations by the network management community, highlighting the potential needs for future standardization.
To this end, the meeting will have a few short presentations and hopefully enough time for open and fruitful discussions    .
Please send your proposal for presentation to the NMRG mailing list and kindly include:
    Topic:
    Presenter name:
    Time requested:
    Brief description of the topic:
    Pointer to references (internet draft(s), paper(s), website...) if any:

The 38th NMRG meeting will take place on Monday, November 2, 2015 - from 17:10 to 19:10 - in room 413.

***

Bien cordialement, Best regards,

Laurent Ciavaglia

Secure Cloud Networking

Bell Labs | Alcatel Lucent

phone: +33 160 402 636

email: laurent.ciavaglia@alcatel-lucent.com

linkedin: laurentciavaglia

address: Route de Villejust | 91620 Nozay | France

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Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 09:45:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Gabriel Lopez's message of "Fri, 23 Oct 2015 11:57:51 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:54:36 -0700 Cc: "sdn@irtf.org" , mark@painless-security.com, Alejandro Abad UM , "i2nsf@ietf.org" , Linda Dunbar , margaret@painless-security.com, Rafa Marin Lopez , Mahesh Jethanandani , Dacheng Zhang Subject: Re: [Sdn] [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:46:06 -0000 This does seem interesting even if if beyond the scope of I2NSF. Are you going to be in Japan? I will not, but margaret and Mark from Painless Security will be. From nobody Mon Oct 26 15:54:43 2015 Return-Path:

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But I think it is very interesting. Also, I am thinking whether the similar idea can be used to mange the policies of securing routing protocols. We used to specify a key table specification for different routing protocols. At that time, someone mentioned it could be a good idea to use controllers to deploy keys for routing protocols, so that we don=A1=AFt have to extend IKEv2 to negotiate them.=20 Thoughts? Cheers Dacheng =D4=DA 15-10-23 =C9=CF=CE=E75:54=A3=AC "I2nsf on behalf of Rafa Marin Lopez" =D0=B4=C8=EB: >Hi Linda: > >> El 22 oct 2015, a las 22:06, Linda Dunbar >>escribi=A8=AE: >>=20 >> Rafa and Gabi, >> =20 >> Thank you very much for the explanation. That is very helpful. >> =20 >> Based on your explanation, the Capability Layer interface for IPSec >>has been defined > >If you are referring to the YANG model with IPsec then we have a good >step with draft-wang-ipsecme-ipsec-yang > >> but there is need for the Service Layer rules for IPSec. The service >>layer IPSec rules can be applied to many pairs of IPsec tunnels, so that >>administrators don=A1=AFt need to manually setup each one. Is my >>understanding correct? > >Right, that is also our understanding. > >> =20 >> Is it true that the IKE policies can be utilized between Security >>Controller and Client for the Service Layer interface? > >Yes, that might be a possibility, though we understand a deeper analysis >is required. > >Best Regards. > >> =20 >> Thanks, Linda >> =20 >> From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel Lopez >> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:32 AM >> To: Rafa Marin Lopez >> Cc: i2nsf@ietf.org; sdn@irtf.org; Alejandro Abad UM; Linda Dunbar >> Subject: Re: [I2nsf] [Sdn] New update of >>draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection >> =20 >> =20 >> Hi, >> =20 >> Thanks for the review. >> =20 >> Please, note that the draft also include IKE policies. >> =20 >> As described in Rafa=A1=AFs response, IKE allows two peers to dynamically >>negotiate the cryptography material for IPSec in a secure way. >> An example of IKE policies could be: >> =20 >> ike { >> proposal proposal-1 { >> authentication-method pre-shared-keys; >> dh-group group1; >> authentication-algorithm sha1; >> encryption-algorithm 3des-cbc; >> lifetime-seconds 1000; >> } >> proposal proposal-2 { >> authentication-method pre-shared-keys; >> dh-group group2; >> authentication-algorithm md5; >> encryption-algorithm des-cbc; >> lifetime-seconds 10000; >> } >> =20 >> Best regards, Gabi. >> =20 >> =20 >> El 22 oct 2015, a las 10:19, Rafa Marin Lopez escribi=A8=AE: >> =20 >> Dear Linda: >>=20 >> First of all, thanks for commenting on our draft. >>=20 >>=20 >> El 22 oct 2015, a las 0:43, Linda Dunbar >>escribi=A8=AE: >>=20 >> Rafa,=20 >>=20 >> Thank you very much for sharing the draft. >>=20 >> Can you elaborate what kind of IPSec policies that Apps can give to >>"SDN Controller=A1=B1? >> I am not an expert on IPSec, so pardon me if my question is not >>correct: if client needs "protected IPsec traffic", can them simply >>establish two parallel IPSec tunnels? >>=20 >> Any question is good. So, thank you. Let me try to clarify. When you >>want to establish an IPsec protected tunnel you have to configure >>rules/policies to determine what kind of traffic you want to protect. >>=20 >> Imagine you have* : >>=20 >> Network A(172.16.1.0/24) =A1=AA GW_A >>(192.168.1.100/24)-Internet-(192.168.2.100/24) GW_B - (172.16.2.0/24) >>Network_B >>=20 >> With ipsec-tools in Linux you define the following policies to protect >>traffic between both networks with a tunnel. Administrators of both >>networks have to configure this in both GW_A and GW_B : >>=20 >> spdadd 172.16.1.0/24 172.16.2.0/24 any -P out ipsec >> esp/tunnel/192.168.1.100-192.168.2.100/require; >>=20 >> spdadd 172.16.2.0/24 172.16.1.0/24 any -P in ipsec >> esp/tunnel/192.168.2.100-192.168.1.100/require; >>=20 >> *See the detailed example in Fig. 5 in >>http://www.ipsec-howto.org/x304.html >>=20 >> Moreover it has to specify other parameters such as credentials to be >>used to establish IKE SA, cryptographic algorithms etc=A1=AD >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> What is your goal? Only to give use cases for IPSec policy? >>=20 >> Our goal is to automatize the management of IPsec security associations >>so that administrators do not have add those rules in each device. The >>general idea stemmed from the following principle: >>=20 >> To establish an IPsec security association you run first IKE to >>negotiate the IPsec SA (control plane). Once it is established some >>parameters are configured in the kernel of the network devices, so they >>can process the IP packets with IPsec before forwarding (data plane). So >>for us, there is a clear separation between these two planes. >>=20 >> Additionally, please think that IPsec uses packet filtering (and >>cryptography). In this sense we consider that a NSF can perform this >>task. Thus, some interface as those to be defined in I2NSF may be >>required. Btw, you can find a YANG model for ipsec in the following link: >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tran-ipecme-yang-ipsec-00 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Or do you plan to dive in one step further to define the semantics of >>the polices or rules for IPSec? >>=20 >> If I understand correctly your question I will say the semantics and >>rules for IPsec are already there as shown in the example. Another thing >>to consider is to define through an application a more general rule such >>as =A1=B0I want to protect traffic against eavesdropping between these two >>networks" that is finally translated in more specific IPsec policies >>=20 >> We hope this clarify your doubts. In any case, if you have any other >>question do not hesitate to ask. >>=20 >> Best Regards. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, Linda=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: I2nsf [mailto:i2nsf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rafa Marin >>Lopez >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:15 AM >> To: sdn@irtf.org; i2nsf@ietf.org >> Cc: Gabriel Lopez; Alejandro Abad UM; Rafa Marin Lopez >> Subject: [I2nsf] New update of >>draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection >>=20 >> Dear all: >>=20 >> You may find a new update about Software-Defined Networking (SDN)-based >>IPsec Flow Protection in this link: >>=20 >>=20 >>https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection-01.t >>xt >>=20 >> We have added some minor modifications and a section to explain the >>relationship with I2NSF work. >>=20 >> Comments are really welcome. >>=20 >> Best Regards. >>=20 >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD >> Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of >>Computer Science-University of Murcia >> 30100 Murcia - Spain >> Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es >> ------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> I2nsf mailing list >> I2nsf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf >>=20 >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD >> Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) >> Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia >> 30100 Murcia - Spain >> Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es >> ------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> sdn mailing list >> sdn@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Gabriel L=A8=AEpez Mill=A8=A2n >> Departamento de Ingenier=A8=AAa de la Informaci=A8=AEn y las Comunicaciones >> University of Murcia >> Spain >> Tel: +34 868888504 >> Fax: +34 868884151 >> email: gabilm@um.es > >------------------------------------------------------- >Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD >Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) >Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia >30100 Murcia - Spain >Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es >------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >_______________________________________________ >I2nsf mailing list >I2nsf@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2nsf From nobody Mon Oct 26 15:54:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D051A047A for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mr-RfODFmgzs for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon21.um.es (xenon21.um.es [155.54.212.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A001A0368 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 07:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon21.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8747040551; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:14:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon21.um.es Received: from xenon21.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon21.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id rJAdXZ8sKSrW; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:14:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from inf-205-216.inf.um.es (inf-205-216.inf.um.es [155.54.205.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: rafa) by xenon21.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C25C640550; Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 $3094$) From: Rafa Marin Lopez In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 16:14:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D71571@dfweml701-chm> <89725C38-5C24-44B2-9957-BAD267993F92@um.es> <160732AF-02A9-48FB-BF91-94412A1688C0@um.es> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D7208A@dfweml701-chm>

To: Sam Hartman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:54:37 -0700 Cc: "sdn@irtf.org" , mark@painless-security.com, Alejandro Abad UM , "i2nsf@ietf.org" , Gabriel Lopez , Linda Dunbar , margaret@painless-security.com, Rafa Marin Lopez , Mahesh Jethanandani , Dacheng Zhang Subject: Re: [Sdn] [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:15:01 -0000 Hi Sam: Thanks for your interest in the document. Unfortunately we won=E2=80=99t = go this time. In any case we can prepare a call to discuss if you want.=20= Definitely one of the possible tasks of the security controller may be = key distribution, which is, in our opinion, very interesting. Best Regards > El 23 oct 2015, a las 15:45, Sam Hartman = escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > This does seem interesting even if if beyond the scope of I2NSF. > Are you going to be in Japan? > I will not, but margaret and Mark from Painless Security will be. ------------------------------------------------------- Rafael Marin Lopez, PhD Dept. Information and Communications Engineering (DIIC) Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30100 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34868888501 Fax: +34868884151 e-mail: rafa@um.es ------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Oct 27 03:52:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97041A802A for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 03:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hr3WFiBZaSgU for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 03:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon21.um.es (xenon21.um.es [155.54.212.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CE51A8029 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 03:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xenon21.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id A535A40958; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:52:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by antispam in UMU at xenon21.um.es Received: from xenon21.um.es ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (xenon21.um.es [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 9ARRyStC+wuc; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:52:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (16.Red-83-37-40.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [83.37.40.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gabilm) by xenon21.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2470840957; Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:52:35 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 $3094$) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4B23262E-999B-45FA-93AC-B1E2818677B6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Gabriel Lopez In-Reply-To: <65174429B5AF4C45BD0798810EC48E0A32489A0B@EX-0-MB2.lancs.local> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 11:52:33 +0100 Message-Id: <78A5E885-37C0-432D-B6DD-4D07B3F2F6DD@um.es> References: <65174429B5AF4C45BD0798810EC48E0A32489A0B@EX-0-MB2.lancs.local> To: "King, Daniel" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) Archived-At: Cc: "sdn@irtf.org" Subject: Re: [Sdn] ONF Liaison to IRTF: Publication of ONF TR-518, Relationship of SDN and NFV X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 10:52:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4B23262E-999B-45FA-93AC-B1E2818677B6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1F65C102-147C-494C-8C7D-A00433DDF2C8" --Apple-Mail=_1F65C102-147C-494C-8C7D-A00433DDF2C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, I get an Error 404 in the url. You can try this one: = https://www.opennetworking.org/images/stories/downloads/sdn-resources/tech= nical-reports/onf2015.310_Architectural_comparison.08-2.pdf = Regards, Gabi. > El 16 oct 2015, a las 22:56, King, Daniel = escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > Hi SDN Researchers, >=20 > You may be interested in a recent ONF Liaison regarding a recent ONF = publication (TR-518 "Relationship of SDN and NFV"). The liaison = information and link to the public document is detailed below. >=20 >>>=20 > Dear colleagues, >=20 > This is to inform you of the publication of ONF Technical = Recommendation TR-518, entitled > Relationship of SDN and NFV. It offers perspectives on ways in which = SDN and NFV complement > and strengthen each other, and especially encourages the avoidance of = silos between SDN and > NFV. >=20 > The released document is available at: = https://www.opennetworking.org/images/stories/downloads/sdn-resources/tech= nicalreports/onf2015.310_Architectural_comparison.08-2.pdf = >=20 > We invite and encourage you to make use of it in your further = consideration of related topics. > << >=20 > BR, Dan. > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn ----------------------------------------------------------- Gabriel L=C3=B3pez Mill=C3=A1n Departamento de Ingenier=C3=ADa de la Informaci=C3=B3n y las = Comunicaciones University of Murcia Spain Tel: +34 868888504 Fax: +34 868884151 email: gabilm@um.es --Apple-Mail=_1F65C102-147C-494C-8C7D-A00433DDF2C8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi,

I get an Error 404 in = the url. You can try this one: https://www.opennetworking.org/images/stories/downloads/sdn-res= ources/technical-reports/onf2015.310_Architectural_comparison.08-2.pdf=

Regards, = Gabi.

El 16 oct 2015, a las 22:56, King, Daniel = <d.king@lancaster.ac.uk> escribi=C3=B3:

Hi = SDN Researchers,

You may be interested in a = recent ONF Liaison regarding a recent ONF publication (TR-518 = "Relationship of SDN and NFV"). The liaison information and link = to the public document is detailed below.

Dear colleagues,

This is to inform you of the publication of = ONF Technical Recommendation TR-518, entitled
Relationship = of SDN and NFV. It offers perspectives on ways in which SDN and NFV = complement
and strengthen each other, and especially = encourages the avoidance of silos between SDN and
NFV.

The released document is available at: https://www.opennetworking.org/images/stories/downloads/sdn-res= ources/technicalreports/onf2015.310_Architectural_comparison.08-2.pdf<= br class=3D"">

We invite and = encourage you to make use of it in your further consideration of related = topics.
<<

BR, Dan.
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In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="GB2312" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 04:12:55 -0700 Cc: "sdn@irtf.org" , mark@painless-security.com, Alejandro Abad UM , "i2nsf@ietf.org" , Linda Dunbar , margaret@painless-security.com, Rafa Marin Lopez , Mahesh Jethanandani Subject: Re: [Sdn] [I2nsf] New update of draft-abad-sdnrg-sdn-ipsec-flow-protection X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 01:42:30 -0000 I will not go to Japan this time. But I plan to attend the next IETF meeting. Linda plans to visit China before the meeting=A3=AC so I will try to get a chance to discuss with her about this. I think my friends from Huawei may be also interested in this topic. ^_^ =D4=DA 15-10-23 =CF=C2=CE=E79:45=A3=AC "Sam Hartman" =D0=B4=C8=EB: >This does seem interesting even if if beyond the scope of I2NSF. >Are you going to be in Japan? >I will not, but margaret and Mark from Painless Security will be.