= --Apple-Mail-53--280823196-- From swb@internet2.edu Wed Oct 31 09:24:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6832921F8595 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:24:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rz32lTjyga7a for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from int-proxy02.merit.edu (int-proxy02.merit.edu [207.75.116.231]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2D621F8578 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by int-proxy02.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9087120574; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:24:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at int-proxy02.merit.edu Received: from int-proxy02.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (int-proxy02.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LuMZrJ4wP06D; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swbi2mbp.local (cpe-67-241-75-185.twcny.res.rr.com [67.241.75.185]) by int-proxy02.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B14F120573; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <509150D3.1030207@internet2.edu> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:24:51 -0400 From: Scott Brim Organization: Internet2 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Meyer References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: SDN IRTF list Subject: Re: [Sdn] draft agenda for ATL posted X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:24:57 -0000 On 10/30/12 12:11, David Meyer allegedly wrote: > See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/sdnrg "What are the hard open research problems" I hope the panel will talk about how they include problems in the "hard" category. I mean, there are a million things that are hard to do with SDN, but the ones that will be brought up here undoubtedly have an implicit agenda behind them - a reason why they are not just considered hard but also important. Why are they considered important? Let's have panelists make their implicit view on what is important in SDN research explicit, and talk about how their particular desired SDN research trajectory bumps into the problems they bring up. Scott From kireeti.kompella@gmail.com Wed Oct 31 09:26:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F0221F8592 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id swvtkOwv07cL for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f54.google.com (mail-oa0-f54.google.com [209.85.219.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBDF21F858E for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n9so2039541oag.13 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=QA2wOAfooFS4mOOjB2YGz+fmRxXz6lbECs2bEJ/qags=; b=ZjiyNYfD4INS1spmPzJlhAx9OMg9Qbe0OF9nh0+CRbld1VT9WyQ90GSE8AnYjxRo0H a8QvzyYgFub8xt7zYqy/bbihA09PJzboxwt9hl6LwTXKirwoJk4+3fBQfrBWTl7uihkW n0zo2xMoMgyBK8i/tcGKviR3Torcpb/plz7liqTUlNbNe25e/HxJWQsvDuA2JlKMoSSU q/0XiptktX+YQmZtpIy+o7EehJJn6H0QgcU1YNJEObSW9bLuccsOMO4Ms7qQsiSepqGX AN4dqcSlNBuDB/ge3tsayyFUzRCQr2kV/tUevIf1r8nV5TmIxNyKkbaNQBkDHGKqLJlz GQfQ== Received: by 10.60.14.165 with SMTP id q5mr32940275oec.28.1351700776373; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.176.153.44] ([32.145.88.188]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id zn9sm3760303obb.23.2012.10.31.09.26.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <00109D36-C1E3-4A16-857D-A31669560377@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <00109D36-C1E3-4A16-857D-A31669560377@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <0EFBDA5E-7E31-4007-BC97-DD06651C2FDA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Kireeti Kompella Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:26:11 -0400 To: Margaret Wasserman Cc: Sam Hartman , "sdn@irtf.org" , Dacheng Zhang Subject: Re: [Sdn] SDN-Related Drafts X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:26:18 -0000 Hi Margaret, On Oct 31, 2012, at 9:02, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > I'd like to call your attention to a couple of Internet-Drafts on SDN secu= rity that we published in preparations for the IETF meeting in Atlanta. =20 Being interested in SDN, I will read these, so thanks for the pointers.=20 > Would it be possible for us to present these drafts at the SDNRG meeting i= n Atlanta? We'd like to get feedback on the drafts and encourage other peop= le to contribute to this work. I'll leave that determination to the chairs. However, I would think it's a b= it early for this. I realize the need to inject security from the start of a= project (rather than back porting it); however, this "project" hasn't reall= y started yet (afaik).=20 What might be useful at this point is to insert a clause in the charter so t= hat if the RG indeed gets chartered or formed (or whatever the procedure is)= , security is forefront.=20 Just mho.=20 Thanks, Kireeti > Thanks, > Margaret >=20 > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn From dmm@1-4-5.net Wed Oct 31 09:31:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232E921F8595 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.357 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.357 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8q1YEplDEjCN for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FD821F8567 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so2217995vba.13 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=+DtPsE/FEo1jietwKk7ZoHNBQsVjJNvpZTyIsLC/DCc=; b=CExfy68fnhmZIKlqj2U46Bu3mXxM8Kn4boDscyE6G/BnCUMG/1LRhNhJt21u5V3UPf nHkshw36bnRMz6mMUwg8R0s4TFPCJHT417jjN1KAbENpyLeQy3HWRsPPAm496ICflP5s /AhsdUIWX134xC3wC8jNrizwuASd6eMRrB1Z8gHvX6bjyq735qsJ8KYROWUlAIszhb9r wQvSpt+ogjljQk3yP0b+ptUUyvfuKAgfwuXtZlZLMHTwzX4Z7wQNBGJIXPmFdMnpBtB/ yEVXHhhLj3otTOzP+I98NUqZ9fqxI7MOHb/3BuhQeVogduq3eEH/6GL/Snt+L2pzvNDb +mFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.179.231 with SMTP id dj7mr47289025vdc.108.1351701098985; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.115 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [12.184.104.214] In-Reply-To: <0EFBDA5E-7E31-4007-BC97-DD06651C2FDA@gmail.com> References: <00109D36-C1E3-4A16-857D-A31669560377@gmail.com> <0EFBDA5E-7E31-4007-BC97-DD06651C2FDA@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Meyer To: Kireeti Kompella Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5014c71d8fb5004cd5d6fa3 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnlol62EoSt0sxBobKx8h4lrpZ4gUiX9hSV3uoo9I0lIZwcm3iwljsIB2MTvtu/KNs72kqc Cc: Sam Hartman , Margaret Wasserman , "sdn@irtf.org" , Dacheng Zhang Subject: Re: [Sdn] SDN-Related Drafts X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:31:40 -0000 --bcaec5014c71d8fb5004cd5d6fa3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What might be useful at this point is to insert a clause in the charter so > that if the RG indeed gets chartered or formed (or whatever the procedure > is), security is forefront. > Very good point. Added to the draft charter. --dmm --bcaec5014c71d8fb5004cd5d6fa3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What might be useful at this point is to insert a clause in the charter so = that if the RG indeed gets chartered or formed (or whatever the procedure i= s), security is forefront.

Very good po= int. Added to the draft charter.

--dmm

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--bcaec5014c71d8fb5004cd5d6fa3-- From rob.sherwood@bigswitch.com Wed Oct 31 09:46:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sdn@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F274C21F8643 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i+ugiLr2cT7q for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B48F21F862A for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k19so1400231qcs.13 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=tgIBMtBYYOoWSG74zhRc70E5/RlCQXnLkIqvd3RurJg=; b=KRS9Fhe71EQN0wtp4HZtUEGaW/tVhKJUmG5J04BIoexN7noMwPfiaUC9DNr20iCnDH em1Jmo/Meji6GmgIAYb+rIU+PV0vd68Nyv+n9xeOKcDXb3CoHunIm7yuimfrg0WrBCre SJuXL6nFKV4b3PL4Xo2qKcWvjtYB0vXjYKr2KyN1k4h0jgDbek3vzlxRAUaBKy2zT2ZW i12QKZL1jwvkzqgU8Flj1Ja0iZfCjvg+l4C7cpwR/aCaSCQ3JdTSDEf4oOLBobHpzytq aeZc3QhenD65YTybQgaNNSqZO78nds8bhrML3r/VSa9mUuxRpvEx5uMN2zCOX+EMQdDe u/jg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.70.140 with SMTP id d12mr18873135qaj.53.1351701966850; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.98.36 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00109D36-C1E3-4A16-857D-A31669560377@gmail.com> References: <00109D36-C1E3-4A16-857D-A31669560377@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:46:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: Rob Sherwood To: Margaret Wasserman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmFS/Efc9+5dGpNUiYMW/Ijbwk1R83uxy7mNPD3sNmMXnwQOngfeJN7flPXoeEVfWysTxDQ Cc: Sam Hartman , sdn@irtf.org, Dacheng Zhang Subject: Re: [Sdn] SDN-Related Drafts X-BeenThere: sdn@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List to Discuss SDN Research Group in the IRTF List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:46:11 -0000 [I'm open to feedback around this is a topic if the list is interested in discussing -- otherwise I can move this to personal email] Hi Margaret, I just took a quick look at your draft-mrw-sdnsec-openflow-analysis-00 draft and it seems like there are some valid concerns being raise -- thanks for that. That said, I wonder why you aren't raising these concerns in the ONF itself? If I understand your co-authors affiliation correctly, there are certainly members of their company who can help you with this. In any case, I've forwarded a link of your draft to the right people in the ONF (specifically, the extensibility working group -- https://www.opennetworking.org/working-groups/extensibility) and thanks for the work, but I'm hoping to maybe connect you with the right folks so the protocol can be improved independent of folks like me acting as go between. Please let me know what you think and thanks, - Rob . On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > I'd like to call your attention to a couple of Internet-Drafts on SDN > security that we published in preparations for the IETF meeting in Atlanta. > The first discusses security requirements for an SDN solution, and the > second provides an analysis of the security properties of the ONF OpenFlow > protocol. The two drafts can be found here: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hartman-sdnsec-requirements-00 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mrw-sdnsec-openflow-analysis-00 > > While neither of these drafts concerns a research topic, per se, when we > approached the Internet and Security ADs about discussing these drafts in > Atlanta, they pointed us at the proposed SDN Research Group. So, here we > are! > > Would it be possible for us to present these drafts at the SDNRG meeting in > Atlanta? We'd like to get feedback on the drafts and encourage other people > to contribute to this work. > > Thanks, > Margaret > > > _______________________________________________ > sdn mailing list > sdn@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn >