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49f8cab753c4747f17e71b65bc9a5310b716bdf9  fixed change that would break compatibility with ISO SWID.


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<p><a href="https://github.com/david-waltermire-nist" class="user-mention">@david-waltermire-nist</a> pushed 1 commit.</p>

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Working Group Name: Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring
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The endpoint box should encapsulate the posture collection service in figure 2 of the 03 draft.

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<p>The endpoint box should encapsulate the posture collection service in figure 2 of the 03 draft.</p>

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Orchestrator --> Orchestrator(s)

Parenthetical.

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<p>Orchestrator --&gt; Orchestrator(s)</p>
<p>Parenthetical.</p>

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At the September virtual interim, Henk mentioned that the components in Figure 2 could be "rolled up" into just a few software components, correctly recognizing that any of the boxes in the diagram could exist in one or many pieces of software. As such, he views the boxes more as indicating roles more than components.
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Figure 2 is presently titled as "Collection Sub-architecture" and there was a suggestion to change this title to "Decomposed collection sub-architecture". 

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<p>Figure 2 is presently titled as "Collection Sub-architecture" and there was a suggestion to change this title to "Decomposed collection sub-architecture".</p>

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During the September virtual interim, Henk suggested that the ordering of the draft may be off. The interaction section seems to be deep-diving suddenly through a bunch of different layers, then stops abruptly and switches to section 6.

Adam asked Henk to propose a specific change in this regard. The gist is to move the basic things the components have to do with each other to build a functional system earlier in the draft, before the target endpoint information/assessment material.

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<p>During the September virtual interim, Henk suggested that the ordering of the draft may be off. The interaction section seems to be deep-diving suddenly through a bunch of different layers, then stops abruptly and switches to section 6.</p>
<p>Adam asked Henk to propose a specific change in this regard. The gist is to move the basic things the components have to do with each other to build a functional system earlier in the draft, before the target endpoint information/assessment material.</p>

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Mentioned during the reordering discussion (see #13). Folks on the call seemed to agree.

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<p>Mentioned during the reordering discussion (see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load issue title" data-id="503686033" data-permission-text="Issue title is private" data-url="https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/13" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/13/hovercard" href="https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/13">#13</a>). Folks on the call seemed to agree.</p>

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During the September virtual interim, we explicitly recognized that the draft is lacking information about role-implementing component discovery. This information needs to be added to the draft.

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<p>During the September virtual interim, we explicitly recognized that the draft is lacking information about role-implementing component discovery. This information needs to be added to the draft.</p>

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During the September virtual interim, we had a discussion about the reliability of collected data. For example, we may believe that a specific browser is installed on a given device by observing network information (i.e. header information), and we may also observe that the actual browser installed is different by querying the device directly. The conversation turned to the topic of attestation, and we thought of RATS.

We concluded that the SACM architecture probably does not want to touch on attestation directly, but would prefer to acknowledge the work going on in other working groups, such as RATS.

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<p>During the September virtual interim, we had a discussion about the reliability of collected data. For example, we may believe that a specific browser is installed on a given device by observing network information (i.e. header information), and we may also observe that the actual browser installed is different by querying the device directly. The conversation turned to the topic of attestation, and we thought of RATS.</p>
<p>We concluded that the SACM architecture probably does not want to touch on attestation directly, but would prefer to acknowledge the work going on in other working groups, such as RATS.</p>
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Wherever the draft talks about the enterprise boundary, we should update the term to be the ecosystem boundary.

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<p>Wherever the draft talks about the enterprise boundary, we should update the term to be the ecosystem boundary.</p>

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All (but especially, Bill, Adam, Henk, and Kathleen):

On 24 September, a group of us hopped on a call to discuss the next =
steps for the architecture draft. I=E2=80=99ve captured the following =
issues that need to be addressed. The title of the issue is provided =
followed parenthetically by the intended assignee(s) and the link to the =
issue.

Invert Endpoint/PCS boxes in Figure 2 (Bill/Adam): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/9
Make "Orchestrator" plural in Figure 2 (Bill/Adam): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/10
Add Role text to the draft re: components (Henk): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/11
Retitle Figure 2 in the 03 draft (Bill/Adam): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/12
Reordering of the draft (Henk): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/13
Consider substituting the term interactions with operations (Bill/Adam): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/14
Add discovery information to the draft (Bill/Adam): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/15
Add role-implementing component registration to the draft (Bill/Adam): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/16
Add section/sub-section on attestation (Kathleen): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/17
Substitute enterprise boundary with ecosystem boundary (Bill/Adam): =
https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/18

2019-11-04 is the submission cut-off for 106. It would be nice to get =
most of these into an 04 draft for that meeting. (NOTE: Neither Bill nor =
I will be physically present for 106 - I am planning to attend =
remotely).

The following is a link to the recording of this informal session (no =
guarantee of long-lived availability): =
https://cisecurity.webex.com/recordingservice/sites/cisecurity/recording/p=
layback/d1e9f248d3594ed28b62c400daa10d87

Kind regards,

Adam



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Wow! Thanks Adam. This helps so very, very much!

Viele Grüße,

Henk

On 08.10.19 00:12, Adam Montville wrote:
> All (but especially, Bill, Adam, Henk, and Kathleen):
> 
> On 24 September, a group of us hopped on a call to discuss the next 
> steps for the architecture draft. I’ve captured the following issues 
> that need to be addressed. The title of the issue is provided followed 
> parenthetically by the intended assignee(s) and the link to the issue.
> 
>   * Invert Endpoint/PCS boxes in Figure 2 (Bill/Adam):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/9
>   * Make "Orchestrator" plural in Figure 2 (Bill/Adam):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/10
>   * Add Role text to the draft re: components (Henk):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/11
>   * Retitle Figure 2 in the 03 draft (Bill/Adam):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/12
>   * Reordering of the draft (Henk):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/13
>   * Consider substituting the term interactions with operations
>     (Bill/Adam): https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/14
>   * Add discovery information to the draft (Bill/Adam):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/15
>   * Add role-implementing component registration to the draft
>     (Bill/Adam): https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/16
>   * Add section/sub-section on attestation (Kathleen):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/17
>   * Substitute enterprise boundary with ecosystem boundary (Bill/Adam):
>     https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/18
> 
> 
> 2019-11-04 is the submission cut-off for 106. It would be nice to get 
> most of these into an 04 draft for that meeting. (NOTE: Neither Bill nor 
> I will be physically present for 106 - I am planning to attend remotely).
> 
> The following is a link to the recording of this informal session (no 
> guarantee of long-lived availability): 
> https://cisecurity.webex.com/recordingservice/sites/cisecurity/recording/playback/d1e9f248d3594ed28b62c400daa10d87
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
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I received an off-list suggestion to use term _responsibility domain_ ins=
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the term ecosystem isn=E2=80=99t really used to describe architectural bo=
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such as non-enterprise devices (BYOD), and resources that are part of a s=
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<p>I received an off-list suggestion to use term <em>responsibility domai=
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essentially that the term ecosystem isn=E2=80=99t really used to describe=
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<p>I think what we were going after in making this change is to explicitl=
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include endpoints (in the traditional sense), and other computing resourc=
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Thanks, Ira. How about "Boundary of Responsibility" or something similar to that? Or, we can simply leave it at "enterprise boundary". 

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<p>Thanks, Ira. How about "Boundary of Responsibility" or something similar to that? Or, we can simply leave it at "enterprise boundary".</p>

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Hi Adam,

Yes, I like "Boundary of Responsibility".

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tr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Ira McDonald (Musician / So=
ftware Architect)<br>Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG</div><div=
>Co-Chair - TCG Metadata Access Protocol SG<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Chair=
 - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG<br>Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Worki=
ng Group<br>Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG Internet Printing Protocol WG<br>IETF =
Designated Expert - IPP &amp; Printer MIB<br>Blue Roof Music / High North I=
nc<br><a style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)" href=3D"http://sites.google.com/sit=
e/blueroofmusic" target=3D"_blank">http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmus=
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lank">blueroofmusic@gmail.com</a><br>PO Box 221=C2=A0 Grand Marais, MI 4983=
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Ira. How about &quot;Boundary of Responsibility&quot; or something similar =
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Hello!

Thank you for your extensive work on this document!  If it gains wide
adoption, it could be quite helpful to industry and software security
management.  I support publication of this document and have some comments
and concerns to be addressed.  I did not go through all sections thoroughly
yet, so I may come back with additional comments.

Section 4,
Consider another comma in the first sentence of this text after component:

Software Patching.  When a new patch is applied to the software
         component a new patch tag is provided, supplying details about
         the patch and its dependencies.

Section 2.4:
I see rel(ation) only appears in this section.  I had to poke a bit and see
that (I think) you just mean for rel to expand to relation and rel is used
elsewhere.  Would it be more clear to just define that?  If this is how it
is in SWID, ignore the comment.  I'm just thinking about other
reviewers/readers.  It's defined in 2.7 just as rel.  It's helpful to know
that's short for relation, but if that's all you mean, how about rel
(relation) so it doesn't look like more than it is?

Section 2.6:
A Thumbprint is specified in this section, should this be referenced for
clarity on hashes with COSE for object identification:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cose-hash-algs/
Would it be better to tie to the COSE set of supported algorithms (they
likely match, but I didn't verify)?

Section 5:
It might be helpful to list what is being requested at the start of the
IANA section
X registries are established with this request with initial entries for X
registries. Values for Z existing registries are requested.

5.1:
s/This document uses integer/This registry uses integer/

Section 5.2.5:

s/This document defines a new a new a/This document establishes a/

Security Considerations:

I'm wondering why CWT [RFC8392] was not used or recommended for signing. Is
it that the other method fits better within SWIMA?

If CWTs are to be proliferated the way JWTs have been, I suspect it will be
easier for CoSWID to gain traction.  I think it would be good to list use
of a CWT as an option, then registering the claims that one might use for
let's say having the CWT be an EAT and be a remote attestation.  I think
adoption may be better if these are tied together and made simple for
regular readers who will likely start to come across CWTs as opposed to
just signing with one or more signers.  I think what you have us good, but
having both as options would be better.

The claims about the signature may vary from the data in the CoSWID, so
this could be potentially useful.

Thank you!
-- 

Best regards,
Kathleen

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iferated the way JWTs have been, I suspect it will be easier for CoSWID to =
gain traction.=C2=A0 I think it would be good to list use of a CWT as an op=
tion, then registering the claims that one might use for let&#39;s say havi=
ng the CWT be an EAT and be a remote attestation.=C2=A0 I think adoption ma=
y be better if these are tied together and made simple for regular readers =
who will likely start to come across CWTs as opposed to just signing with o=
ne or more signers.=C2=A0 I think what you have us good, but having both as=
 options would be better.</div><div><br></div><div>The claims about the sig=
nature may vary from the data in the CoSWID, so this could be potentially u=
seful.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you!<br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
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</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div></div></div>

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Dear Karen O&#39;Donoghue,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
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    sacm Session 1 (1:30 requested)
    Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Morning Session I 1000-1200
    Room Name: Orchard size: 50
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iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/sessions/sacm.ics

Request Information:


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Working Group Name: Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring
Area Name: Security Area
Session Requester: Karen O&#39;Donoghue

Number of Sessions: 1
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) Architecture
        Authors         : Adam W. Montville
                          Bill Munyan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sacm-arch-04.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2019-10-29

Abstract:
   This document defines an architecture enabling a cooperative Security
   Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) ecosystem.  This work is
   predicated upon information gleaned from SACM Use Cases and
   Requirements ([RFC7632] and [RFC8248] respectively), and terminology
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reorganized the draft in the -04 version.  Draft begins with a more "rolled up" diagram and then breaks them up into roles.  marking as complete in -04

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Similar to #11 draft has been updated in -04 to reorganize the draft, and move the assessment/workflow stuff to after the role/component discussions.  Marking as complete for -04

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SACM team,

You may have received a notification that the architecture draft update
(-04) has been published.  You can find that update here -
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/

This draft makes a number of changes to the ordering of sections, a number
of diagram updates, roles, interactions, etc.  We appreciate any feedback,
comments, issues, etc.

A number of the issues in GitHub have been marked completed via this update:

   1. https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/9
   2. https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/10
   3. https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/11
   4. https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/12
   5. https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-arch/issues/13
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