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Fixed in Pull request #62 

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<p>Fixed in Pull request <a href="https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/pull/62" class="issue-link" title="Partial updates for version 10">#62</a> </p>

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Closed #58.

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<p>Closed <a href="https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-requirements/issues/58" class="issue-link" title="Captialization consistency">#58</a>.</p>

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Secure Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) Requirements
        Authors         : Nancy Cam-Winget
                          Lisa Lorenzin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sacm-requirements-10.txt
	Pages           : 18
	Date            : 2015-10-01

Abstract:
   This document defines the scope and set of requirements for the
   Secure Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) architecture, data
   model and transport protocols.  The requirements and scope are based
   on the agreed upon use cases.


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A new version of the Requirements draft has been uploaded and can be found =
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The updates were to address open issues in GitHub.

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Changed milestone "Submit SACM Information Model Internet-Draft to the
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Sorry for the delay, I was out of the office last week.  

Regarding "software package", thanks for the clarification Jim.  When I saw package, I immediately thought of a package on Linux.  If you are not particularly tied to it "software package", I think I would prefer "software" with the understanding a piece of software could be composed of other software.

To answer your question Jim, yes, I think "posture assessment information" (e.g. data collected from an endpoint, evaluation results, etc.) would also be classified as an asset. 

Thanks for the feedback Kathleen.  +1 to using the RFC4949 definition of "asset" and closing out this issue.

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<p>Sorry for the delay, I was out of the office last week.  </p>

<p>Regarding "software package", thanks for the clarification Jim.  When I saw package, I immediately thought of a package on Linux.  If you are not particularly tied to it "software package", I think I would prefer "software" with the understanding a piece of software could be composed of other software.</p>

<p>To answer your question Jim, yes, I think "posture assessment information" (e.g. data collected from an endpoint, evaluation results, etc.) would also be classified as an asset. </p>

<p>Thanks for the feedback Kathleen.  +1 to using the RFC4949 definition of "asset" and closing out this issue.</p>

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Hi,

According to the preliminary agenda the SACM WG is scheduled to meet in Yok=
ohama as follows:

TUESDAY, November 3, 2015

1710-1840  Afternoon Session III

Room 303               SEC     sacm           Security Automation and Conti=
nuous Monitoring WG



THURSDAY, November 5, 2015

0900-1130  Morning Session I

Room 413               SEC     sacm           Security Automation and Conti=
nuous Monitoring WG

Note that this scheduling is preliminary and may change. It's not a great s=
cheduling because it does leave less time for the design teams to work betw=
een the meetings, and we asked to look into possible changes - but this mee=
ting has its own scheduling challenges.

In the meantime - please send your proposals and requests for agenda items =
to the WG chairs.

Thanks and Regards,

Dan



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<pre><span style=3D"color:black">1710-1840&nbsp; Afternoon Session III<o:p>=
</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">Room 303&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SEC &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; sacm&n=
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<pre><span style=3D"color:black">0900-1130&nbsp; Morning Session I<o:p></o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Note that this schedulin=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">In the meantime - please=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Thanks and Regards,<o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Dan<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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Hi all,

Looks like we have critical mass for mid-day Friday to (hopefully) wrap up =
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I anticipate that we'll have a WebEx again - please block this time and sta=
nd by for conf bridge / web meeting details!

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								Lisa


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Just a friendly reminder that we have our weekly Endpoint ID Design Team me=
eting on Friday from 10 - 11 AM EST.  The WebEx information, for the meetin=
g, can be found here (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sacm/current/msg=
03161.html).

During the meeting, we should continue to discuss Henk's triple example and=
 try to get that ready for distribution to the mailing list, discuss the re=
presentation of constructs in the information model, and discuss any open i=
ssues from the last virtual interim meeting.

If there are other things that you would like to see on the agenda, please =
let me know and I can add them.

I hope you can attend.

Thanks,

Danny


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just a friendly reminder that we have our weekly End=
point ID Design Team meeting on Friday from 10 &#8211; 11 AM EST.&nbsp; The=
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ww.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sacm/current/msg03161.html">http://www.ietf.or=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">During the meeting, we should continue to discuss He=
nk&#8217;s triple example and try to get that ready for distribution to the=
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model, and discuss any open issues from
 the last virtual interim meeting.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If there are other things that you would like to see=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I hope you can attend.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Danny<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi,

Agreed - simple "software" is just fine with me.

Cheers,
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Hi,<br><br></div>Agreed - simple &quot;soft=
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This was somewhat done in -v04 and I've cleaned it up a bit more in v05

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<p>This was somewhat done in -v04 and I've cleaned it up a bit more in v05</p>

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Jim,
this text was actually moved from section 3.1.3 to now Section 5.1 in v04 and updated to specify the flow.  Can you let me know if we need to further address?

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<p>Jim,<br>
this text was actually moved from section 3.1.3 to now Section 5.1 in v04 and updated to specify the flow.  Can you let me know if we need to further address?</p>

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Just a friendly reminder that if you are planning to submit a presentation =
proposal for the DHS Secure and Resilient Cyber Ecosystem (SRCE) Industry W=
orkshop (November 16 - 17), the deadline for submissions is this Tuesday Oc=
tober 13th.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Danny

From: sacm [mailto:sacm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Cheikes, Brant A.
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 1:50 PM
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Subject: [sacm] Call for Presentations - DHS Secure and Resilient Cyber Eco=
system (SRCE) Industry Workshop - 16-17 November 2015

Greetings SACM,

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Office of Cybersecurity and =
Communications (CS&C) Chief Technology Officer (CTO) is conducting the Secu=
re and Resilient Cyber Ecosystem (SRCE) Industry Workshop as a follow up to=
 the Enterprise Automated Security Environment Request For Information. The=
 SRCE Workshop will be held on November 16-17, 2015, at the Georgia Tech Re=
search Institute (GTRI) Conference Center in Atlanta, GA.

The full workshop announcement can be found here: https://www.fbo.gov/spg/D=
HS/OCPO/DHS-OCPO/RFI201411/listing.html

There is an open call for presentations, and several of the themes are rele=
vant to SACM, e.g., automation, common data models, interoperability, and p=
rotocols. The workshop could be a good venue for sharing ideas, offering re=
commendations, and raising awareness of SACM activities. Brief presentation=
 proposals are due by 13 October 2015-see the announcement for submission d=
etails. I'm happy to field questions off-list.

Cheers,
/Brant

Brant A. Cheikes
The MITRE Corporation
202 Burlington Road, M/S M300
Bedford, MA 01730-1420
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
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On Behalf Of
</b>Cheikes, Brant A.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 16, 2015 1:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> sacm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [sacm] Call for Presentations - DHS Secure and Resilient Cy=
ber Ecosystem (SRCE) Industry Workshop - 16-17 November 2015<o:p></o:p></p>
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 of Homeland Security (DHS) Office of Cybersecurity and Communications (CS&=
amp;C) Chief Technology Officer (CTO) is conducting the Secure and Resilien=
t Cyber Ecosystem (SRCE) Industry Workshop
 as a follow up to the Enterprise Automated Security Environment Request Fo=
r Information. The SRCE Workshop will be held on November 16-17, 2015, at t=
he Georgia Tech Research Institute (GTRI) Conference Center in Atlanta, GA.=
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span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The full workshop a=
nnouncement can be found here:
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"https://www.fbo.gov/spg/DHS/OCPO/D=
HS-OCPO/RFI201411/listing.html">https://www.fbo.gov/spg/DHS/OCPO/DHS-OCPO/R=
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span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">There is an open ca=
ll for presentations, and several of the themes are relevant to SACM, e.g.,=
 automation, common data models, interoperability, and protocols. The works=
hop could be a good venue for sharing
 ideas, offering recommendations, and raising awareness of SACM activities.=
 Brief presentation proposals are due by 13 October 2015&#8212;see the anno=
uncement for submission details. I&#8217;m happy to field questions off-lis=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060">Brant=
 A. Cheikes<br>
The MITRE Corporation<br>
202 Burlington Road, M/S M300<br>
Bedford, MA 01730-1420<br>
Tel. 781-271-7505; Cell. 617-694-8180; Fax. 781-271-2352</span><span style=
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Including component roles, role types, functions, and capabilities

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LL - collection result is a free-floating piece of data (i.e. MAC-IP association) and an assertion is that that data is from a target endpoint
IM - separate operation to evaluate the trustworthiness of that statement - needs to be evaluated based on the collector (from a TNC client might be more reliable than from an external collector)
Separate point of - is this believably correct value? 
LL - one great example is IP-MAC associations - a DHCP server is somewhat authoritative, collector listening in network is less authoritative, could be a hop away
helps to know what kind of element is doing the collection
IM - also places limitations on freshness - IP-MAC from a DHCP server may have happened months ago, observation is current
DR - don't know yet what kind of authentication may be required in order to validate the association between the collector and the endpoint
Believe we have something in the requirements to say that in some cases, there must be an option to authenticate and refresh periodically
collector may have at least capability of knowing with which authorization the endpoint is trusted

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<p>LL - collection result is a free-floating piece of data (i.e. MAC-IP association) and an assertion is that that data is from a target endpoint<br>
IM - separate operation to evaluate the trustworthiness of that statement - needs to be evaluated based on the collector (from a TNC client might be more reliable than from an external collector)<br>
Separate point of - is this believably correct value? <br>
LL - one great example is IP-MAC associations - a DHCP server is somewhat authoritative, collector listening in network is less authoritative, could be a hop away<br>
helps to know what kind of element is doing the collection<br>
IM - also places limitations on freshness - IP-MAC from a DHCP server may have happened months ago, observation is current<br>
DR - don't know yet what kind of authentication may be required in order to validate the association between the collector and the endpoint<br>
Believe we have something in the requirements to say that in some cases, there must be an option to authenticate and refresh periodically<br>
collector may have at least capability of knowing with which authorization the endpoint is trusted</p>

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Continuation of discussion in #29:
Lisa - seems odd to say an internal collector would have a function of discovering the endpoint it's running on
Nancy - wasn't thinking of registration / discovery of target endpoints, but of SACM components
Jess - would an internal collector be able to discover itself?
Henk - internal collector is SACM component, on fringes of SACM domain, on target endpoints that are the assessing component at the same time
Nancy - what does internal collector mean?
Henk - SACM component is part of SACM domain, runs on endpoints that are typically not target endpoints
target endpoints are endpoints of interest, to be assessed
Outside SACM domain is rest of the world visible to SACM domain
Fringe use case - line blurs because endpoint is target endpoint and also SACM component - "internal" collector resides on it
Lisa - I didn't think having an internal collector made a target endpoint a SACM component
Think the SACM component is the provider that rolls up the collection results
Nancy - that was my thought as well
Henk - target endpoint becomes a SACM component because it has building blocks running on it - SACM functions, registrative broker and publishers
Lisa - don't think every target endpoint is a SACM component - only if it's also a provider
Henk - only if it has an internal collector on it
Jess - distinction between an internal collector and a provider - why?
Lisa - internal collector doesn't necessarily publish into SACM ecosystem
if it doesn't publish, it's not a SACM component
Jess - NEA world, collector provides information to a server, which is part of the control plane
Lisa - NEA server is the provider, NEA client is just software on endpoint
Henk - semantically, if a piece of software on an endpoint is speaking SACM - can discover guidance or register to a broker - this can be the case, should be highlighted - it's a SACM component
if just produces information and transports it to the first SACM component, then this is remote collection
typical collection that over the network is assessing the endpoint
maybe have a trusted, registered, attested component on the target endpoint - could trust it
Lisa - that's not what an external collector is either
In the NEA example the NEA client is just software on the endpoint
it's not a SACM component - doesn't publish into the provider/consumer ecosystem, doesn't use a SACM transport
NEA server is the provider, so it aggregates the information from the internal collectors on target endpoints and uses the SACM transport to provide that information
Jess - wasn't aware this group had defined a transport
Nancy - XMPP-Grid is a proposed transport
Jess - what about IF-T TLS?
Henk - transport here is overloaded
Lisa - we decided not to specify the transport between the target endpoint and the SACM component
SACM transport is transport between SACM components
other transport between endpoint and SACM component
Jess - NEA client publishing data about itself, is that a SACM component?
Lisa - if it's publishing directly, yes
Nancy - think you're mixing implementation details
if you made the NEA client become a SACM provider, adhered to the data model, then yes
Lisa - endpoint can be a SACM component but doesn't have to be
Henk - we don't define how you get information from the target endpoint
Just says the SACM component uses any means to get information from the target endpoint
Think this is restricting the scope of the SACM domain, important choice, should be highlighted to the email list
Understand the argument - don't see why you can't allow a SACM component to reside on a target endpoint
Lisa - not saying that - like difference between TNC client and IMC - IMC is like internal collector, TNC client is like SACM component
Josh - have a simple drawing?
Lisa - would be good to have a drawing showing relationships between functions and components
Josh - basic entity / relationship map

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<p>Continuation of discussion in <a href="https://github.com/sacmwg/draft-ietf-sacm-architecture/issues/29" class="issue-link" title="Section 3.1.3 - Controller - Registration/Discovery">#29</a>:<br>
Lisa - seems odd to say an internal collector would have a function of discovering the endpoint it's running on<br>
Nancy - wasn't thinking of registration / discovery of target endpoints, but of SACM components<br>
Jess - would an internal collector be able to discover itself?<br>
Henk - internal collector is SACM component, on fringes of SACM domain, on target endpoints that are the assessing component at the same time<br>
Nancy - what does internal collector mean?<br>
Henk - SACM component is part of SACM domain, runs on endpoints that are typically not target endpoints<br>
target endpoints are endpoints of interest, to be assessed<br>
Outside SACM domain is rest of the world visible to SACM domain<br>
Fringe use case - line blurs because endpoint is target endpoint and also SACM component - "internal" collector resides on it<br>
Lisa - I didn't think having an internal collector made a target endpoint a SACM component<br>
Think the SACM component is the provider that rolls up the collection results<br>
Nancy - that was my thought as well<br>
Henk - target endpoint becomes a SACM component because it has building blocks running on it - SACM functions, registrative broker and publishers<br>
Lisa - don't think every target endpoint is a SACM component - only if it's also a provider<br>
Henk - only if it has an internal collector on it<br>
Jess - distinction between an internal collector and a provider - why?<br>
Lisa - internal collector doesn't necessarily publish into SACM ecosystem<br>
if it doesn't publish, it's not a SACM component<br>
Jess - NEA world, collector provides information to a server, which is part of the control plane<br>
Lisa - NEA server is the provider, NEA client is just software on endpoint<br>
Henk - semantically, if a piece of software on an endpoint is speaking SACM - can discover guidance or register to a broker - this can be the case, should be highlighted - it's a SACM component<br>
if just produces information and transports it to the first SACM component, then this is remote collection<br>
typical collection that over the network is assessing the endpoint<br>
maybe have a trusted, registered, attested component on the target endpoint - could trust it<br>
Lisa - that's not what an external collector is either<br>
In the NEA example the NEA client is just software on the endpoint<br>
it's not a SACM component - doesn't publish into the provider/consumer ecosystem, doesn't use a SACM transport<br>
NEA server is the provider, so it aggregates the information from the internal collectors on target endpoints and uses the SACM transport to provide that information<br>
Jess - wasn't aware this group had defined a transport<br>
Nancy - XMPP-Grid is a proposed transport<br>
Jess - what about IF-T TLS?<br>
Henk - transport here is overloaded<br>
Lisa - we decided not to specify the transport between the target endpoint and the SACM component<br>
SACM transport is transport between SACM components<br>
other transport between endpoint and SACM component<br>
Jess - NEA client publishing data about itself, is that a SACM component?<br>
Lisa - if it's publishing directly, yes<br>
Nancy - think you're mixing implementation details<br>
if you made the NEA client become a SACM provider, adhered to the data model, then yes<br>
Lisa - endpoint can be a SACM component but doesn't have to be<br>
Henk - we don't define how you get information from the target endpoint<br>
Just says the SACM component uses any means to get information from the target endpoint<br>
Think this is restricting the scope of the SACM domain, important choice, should be highlighted to the email list<br>
Understand the argument - don't see why you can't allow a SACM component to reside on a target endpoint<br>
Lisa - not saying that - like difference between TNC client and IMC - IMC is like internal collector, TNC client is like SACM component<br>
Josh - have a simple drawing?<br>
Lisa - would be good to have a drawing showing relationships between functions and components<br>
Josh - basic entity / relationship map</p>

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I have tried to make this more explicit by now updating the Authorization description in 5.1 as:
The restriction of Posture Assessment Information sharing
between the Consumers and Providers. At minimum, a management function must
define
      the necessary policies to control what Providers can publish and Consumers to accept. The Controller is the authority for the type of Posture Information that a Provider can publish and a Consumer can accept.  If a Controller is a Broker, then it may only grant authorization to the capabilities requested by the Provider or Consumer.  When acting as a Proxy, as part of its authorization, the Controller may further obscure or block information being shared by a Provider as it distributes it to a Consumer.  Similarly, a Repository may block information as recieved by the Provider and pass to the Consumer and to its storage the resulting authorized information. A Provider may also enforce its own authorization based upon its connection to a Controller; though, in the case where an application includes both the Provider and Controller roles, it can choose to implement all authorization on the Controller.  Similarly, a Consumer may enforce its own authorization of what data it can re
 ceive based on the Controller (or Provider) it is communicaticating with; in the case where an application includes both the Consumer and Controller roles, it can choose to implement all the authorization on the Controller.

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<p>I have tried to make this more explicit by now updating the Authorization description in 5.1 as:<br>
The restriction of Posture Assessment Information sharing<br>
between the Consumers and Providers. At minimum, a management function must<br>
define<br>
      the necessary policies to control what Providers can publish and Consumers to accept. The Controller is the authority for the type of Posture Information that a Provider can publish and a Consumer can accept.  If a Controller is a Broker, then it may only grant authorization to the capabilities requested by the Provider or Consumer.  When acting as a Proxy, as part of its authorization, the Controller may further obscure or block information being shared by a Provider as it distributes it to a Consumer.  Similarly, a Repository may block information as recieved by the Provider and pass to the Consumer and to its storage the resulting authorized information. A Provider may also enforce its own authorization based upon its connection to a Controller; though, in the case where an application includes both the Provider and Controller roles, it can choose to implement all authorization on the Controller.  Similarly, a Consumer may enforce its own authorization of what data it can re
 ceive based on the Controller (or Provider) it is communicaticating with; in the case where an application includes both the Consumer and Controller roles, it can choose to implement all the authorization on the Controller.</p>

<p>Comments and suggestions?<br>
   Nancy</p>

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Fix to use travis with markdown as the build tool
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Merge remote-tracking branch 'refs/remotes/sacmwg/master'
  * Fix travis for markdown

-- File Changes --

    M .travis.yml (5)
    D draft-ietf-sacm-architecture.txt (1064)
    D draft-ietf-sacm-architecture.xml (986)

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<p>Fix to use travis with markdown as the build tool</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Merge remote-tracking branch &#39;refs/remotes/sacmwg/master&#39;</li>
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Hi,

If you plan to attend the SACM WG meetings remotely and you need remote acc=
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(we know right now only about Kathleen being remote at IETF 94)

Adam and Dan



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Secure Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) Terminology
        Author          : Henk Birkholz
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sacm-terminology-08.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2015-10-13

Abstract:
   This memo documents terminology used in the documents produced by
   SACM (Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring).


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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I have uploaded a preliminary agenda for the SACM two meeting at IETF 94 at=
 https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/agenda/agenda-94-sacm.

Please let us know if there are other items for the agenda. Also - if you w=
ant to make changes or adjustments.

A few logistic issues:


-          Some of our participants will be remote. Please let us know befo=
re 10/28 if you plan to present remotely so that we can make arrangements w=
ith the Meetecho team

-          Even if you plan to present remotely it would be good to have an=
 on-site representative who can reasonably take over the presentation and d=
iscussions in case we encounter technical difficulties

-          The fact that some participants will be remote make the jabber n=
otes even more important - those who attend please volunteer in advance

-          We have only one work day (Wednesday) for design teams and off-l=
ine discussions between the two meetings. In order to make best of it, plea=
se try to free as much as possible of your Wednesday schedules.

Thanks and Regards,

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nably take over the presentation and discussions in case we encounter techn=
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</span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>We have only one work day =
(Wednesday) for design teams and off-line discussions between the two meeti=
ngs. In order to make best of it, please try to free as much as possible of=
 your Wednesday schedules.
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Security Automation and Continuous Monitoring Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Secure Automation and Continuous Monitoring (SACM) Architecture
        Authors         : Nancy Cam-Winget
                          Lisa Lorenzin
                          Ira E McDonald
                          Aaron Woland
	Filename        : draft-ietf-sacm-architecture-05.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2015-10-16

Abstract:
   This document defines an architecture for standardization of
   interfaces, protocols, and information models related to security
   automation and continuous monitoring.  It describes the basic
   architecture, components, and interfaces defined to enable the
   collection, acquisition, and verification of Posture and Posture
   Assessments.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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The updates were to address open issues in GitHub.

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Hi.

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Hi,

The preliminary agenda for the SACM meetings at IETF 94 is available at htt=
ps://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/agenda/agenda-94-sacm.


1.       Please let us know if anything is missing and confirm the owners o=
f the items on the agenda

2.       If you plan to present or be an active participant remotely please=
 let us know before 10/28 so that we can coordinate with the Meetecho team

3.       We need two note takers and one jabber scribe. Please volunteer!

Thanks and Regards,

Adam and Dan


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The preliminary agenda for the SACM meetings at IETF=
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Just a friendly reminder that we have our weekly Endpoint ID Design Team me=
eting tomorrow from 10 - 11 AM EST.  The WebEx information, for the meeting=
, can be found here (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sacm/current/msg0=
3161.html).

During the meeting, we should discuss the different tasks that we need help=
 with as well as the appropriate skillsets needed to complete those tasks. =
 It would be great to have a list of these tasks ready for IETF 94.  We can=
 also discuss open issues related to the information model if we have time.

If there are other things that you would like to see on the agenda, please =
let me know and I can add them.

I hope you can attend.

Thanks,

Danny


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just a friendly reminder that we have our weekly End=
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tasks that we need help with as well as the appropriate skillsets needed to=
 complete those tasks.&nbsp; It would be great to have a list of these task=
s ready for IETF 94.&nbsp; We can also discuss
 open issues related to the information model if we have time.<o:p></o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
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Danny<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi Everyone,

Here are the notes from today's Endpoint ID Design Team Meeting (EID-DT).

Attendees

*         Ron Colvin

*         Josh Stevens

*         Joe Wolfkiel

*         Danny Haynes

Note Well

Agenda

*         Task descriptions

*         Open issues from the last virtual interim meeting

*         Next steps

Materials

*         Slides from meeting (see attached)

*         Task descriptions (see attached).

Notes

*         First, the task descriptions document was discussed.  All the dis=
cussion and feedback around this was captured in Word comments in the docum=
ent.  An updated version based on feedback and discussion, will be sent out=
 prior to the next EID-DT meeting.



*         A question was asked about where we were at with the Architecture=
 document.  It was explained that we have made a lot of good progress recen=
tly during the two calls after the virtual interim meeting and that notes f=
or those meetings were captured in the GitHub issue trackers that were disc=
ussed.  It was also noted that if anyone had feedback on the Architecture t=
hat they should send it out to the group sooner rather than later.



*         There was also a question about the SACM Charter.  Specifically, =
in addition to specifying the different data fields associated with identif=
ying endpoints, are their plans to standardize any business logic around th=
em.  For example, an algorithm for matching devices using the data collecte=
d by two different sensors.  If the data collected by two sensors, using th=
e algorithm, match then the data could be combined as it all represents the=
 same endpoint.  It was noted that this is a real problem that they are fac=
ing in the field and that it might be good to have an industry standard aro=
und it.  Another example, is around defining populations such as "these are=
 all the devices owned by an organization", or "these are all the devices i=
n a single location".  There is also a question around how accurate can it =
be (state, city, building, closet, etc.).  A last example is making stateme=
nts such as this applies to all servers running Windows 2012, containing se=
nsitive information, and running these databases.  It was noted that there =
are no explicit plans to create matching algorithms, etc. as of yet, but, t=
hat you could seem the matching possibly being part of a query language for=
 interfacing with a repository or the information about the location of an =
endpoint or the sensitivity of the data on an endpoint being covered under =
the manually assigned data associated with an endpoint.  This is something =
the broader group may want to discuss further.

Action Items

*         Update tasks descriptions before next EID-DT meeting (Danny Hayne=
s)

*         Contribute NetD data model  (Joe Wolfkiel).

Please let me know if I missed anything, got anything wrong, or if you have=
 any questions.

Thanks,

Danny

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Hi Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><br>
Here are the notes from today&#8217;s Endpoint ID Design Team Meeting (EID-=
DT).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Attendees<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Ron Colvin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Josh Stevens<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Joe Wolfkiel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level=
1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Danny Haynes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Note Well<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l7 level=
1 lfo5"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Task descriptions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l7 level=
1 lfo5"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Open issues from the last virtual interim m=
eeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l7 level=
1 lfo5"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Next steps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Materials
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Slides from meeting (see attached)<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level=
1 lfo6"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Task descriptions (see attached).&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Notes<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo7"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">First, the task descriptions document was d=
iscussed.&nbsp; All the discussion and feedback around this was captured in=
 Word comments in the document.&nbsp; An updated version
 based on feedback and discussion, will be sent out prior to the next EID-D=
T meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">A question was asked about where we were at=
 with the Architecture document.&nbsp; It was explained that we have made a=
 lot of good progress recently during the two calls
 after the virtual interim meeting and that notes for those meetings were c=
aptured in the GitHub issue trackers that were discussed.&nbsp; It was also=
 noted that if anyone had feedback on the Architecture that they should sen=
d it out to the group sooner rather than
 later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">There was also a question about the SACM Ch=
arter.&nbsp; Specifically, in addition to specifying the different data fie=
lds associated with identifying endpoints, are their
 plans to standardize any business logic around them.&nbsp; For example, an=
 algorithm for matching devices using the data collected by two different s=
ensors.&nbsp; If the data collected by two sensors, using the algorithm, ma=
tch then the data could be combined as it
 all represents the same endpoint.&nbsp; It was noted that this is a real p=
roblem that they are facing in the field and that it might be good to have =
an industry standard around it.&nbsp; Another example, is around defining p=
opulations such as &#8220;these are all the devices
 owned by an organization&#8221;, or &#8220;these are all the devices in a =
single location&#8221;. &nbsp;There is also a question around how accurate =
can it be (state, city, building, closet, etc.).&nbsp; A last example is ma=
king statements such as this applies to all servers running
 Windows 2012, containing sensitive information, and running these database=
s.&nbsp; It was noted that there are no explicit plans to create matching a=
lgorithms, etc. as of yet, but, that you could seem the matching possibly b=
eing part of a query language for interfacing
 with a repository or the information about the location of an endpoint or =
the sensitivity of the data on an endpoint being covered under the manually=
 assigned data associated with an endpoint.&nbsp; This is something the bro=
ader group may want to discuss further.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Action Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo8"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Update tasks descriptions before next EID-D=
T meeting (Danny Haynes)<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level=
1 lfo8"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Sy=
mbol"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">&middot;<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &qu=
ot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Contribute NetD data model &nbsp;(Joe Wolfk=
iel).<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Please let me know if I missed anything, got anythi=
ng wrong, or if you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks,<br>
<br>
Danny<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Defining an algorithm would help with consistency in correlation 
outcomes between implementers.  However, it would need to be 
acknowledged that such an algorithm could not be expected to cover all 
scenarios, and that in some cases that consistency could just mean it 
was consistently incorrect.

As part of a standard, I'd like to see such an algorithm and have it 
cover as much variance as possible -- the whole endpoint identification 
thing does not have much worth as a standard if results are 
inconsistent/unpredictable across implementers.  At the same time 
implementers are going to be much quicker to respond to errors and 
changing technologies than a standards body and they need to be free to 
do so.

So I think this creates two needs:

1) The algorithm should not attempt to cover all variations, just as 
many as we have a high confidence in being able to define
2) The ability to utilize the algorithm should be available on request, 
but not required to always be used.  For example, when a consumer is 
making a request from a provider, that request should have the ability 
to specify that correlation must be done using the standard algorithm.


--gun


On 10/23/2015 1:33 PM, Haynes, Dan wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
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> Here are the notes from today’s Endpoint ID Design Team Meeting (EID-DT).
>
> *Attendees*
>
> ·Ron Colvin
>
> ·Josh Stevens
>
> ·Joe Wolfkiel
>
> ·Danny Haynes
>
> *Note Well*
>
> **
>
> *Agenda*
>
> ·Task descriptions
>
> ·Open issues from the last virtual interim meeting
>
> ·Next steps
>
> *Materials *
>
> ·Slides from meeting (see attached)
>
> ·Task descriptions (see attached).
>
> *Notes*
>
> ·First, the task descriptions document was discussed.  All the 
> discussion and feedback around this was captured in Word comments in 
> the document.  An updated version based on feedback and discussion, 
> will be sent out prior to the next EID-DT meeting.
>
> ·A question was asked about where we were at with the Architecture 
> document.  It was explained that we have made a lot of good progress 
> recently during the two calls after the virtual interim meeting and 
> that notes for those meetings were captured in the GitHub issue 
> trackers that were discussed.  It was also noted that if anyone had 
> feedback on the Architecture that they should send it out to the group 
> sooner rather than later.
>
> ·There was also a question about the SACM Charter.  Specifically, in 
> addition to specifying the different data fields associated with 
> identifying endpoints, are their plans to standardize any business 
> logic around them.  For example, an algorithm for matching devices 
> using the data collected by two different sensors.  If the data 
> collected by two sensors, using the algorithm, match then the data 
> could be combined as it all represents the same endpoint.  It was 
> noted that this is a real problem that they are facing in the field 
> and that it might be good to have an industry standard around it.  
> Another example, is around defining populations such as “these are all 
> the devices owned by an organization”, or “these are all the devices 
> in a single location”.  There is also a question around how accurate 
> can it be (state, city, building, closet, etc.).  A last example is 
> making statements such as this applies to all servers running Windows 
> 2012, containing sensitive information, and running these databases.  
> It was noted that there are no explicit plans to create matching 
> algorithms, etc. as of yet, but, that you could seem the matching 
> possibly being part of a query language for interfacing with a 
> repository or the information about the location of an endpoint or the 
> sensitivity of the data on an endpoint being covered under the 
> manually assigned data associated with an endpoint. This is something 
> the broader group may want to discuss further.
>
> *Action Items*
>
> ·Update tasks descriptions before next EID-DT meeting (Danny Haynes)**
>
> ·Contribute NetD data model  (Joe Wolfkiel).**
>
> **
>
> Please let me know if I missed anything, got anything wrong, or if you 
> have any questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danny
>
>
>
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    Defining an algorithm would help with consistency in correlation
    outcomes between implementers.  However, it would need to be
    acknowledged that such an algorithm could not be expected to cover
    all scenarios, and that in some cases that consistency could just
    mean it was consistently incorrect.<br>
    <br>
    As part of a standard, I'd like to see such an algorithm and have it
    cover as much variance as possible -- the whole endpoint
    identification thing does not have much worth as a standard if
    results are inconsistent/unpredictable across implementers.  At the
    same time implementers are going to be much quicker to respond to
    errors and changing technologies than a standards body and they need
    to be free to do so.<br>
    <br>
    So I think this creates two needs:<br>
    <br>
    1) The algorithm should not attempt to cover all variations, just as
    many as we have a high confidence in being able to define<br>
    2) The ability to utilize the algorithm should be available on
    request, but not required to always be used.  For example, when a
    consumer is making a request from a provider, that request should
    have the ability to specify that correlation must be done using the
    standard algorithm.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    --gun<br>
    <br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Hi
            Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><br>
            Here are the notes from today’s Endpoint ID Design Team
            Meeting (EID-DT).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Attendees<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Ron
            Colvin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Josh
            Stevens<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Joe
            Wolfkiel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Danny
            Haynes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Note
              Well<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Agenda<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Task
            descriptions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Open
            issues from the last virtual interim meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Next
            steps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Materials
              <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Slides
            from meeting (see attached)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Task
            descriptions (see attached). 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Notes<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">First,
            the task descriptions document was discussed.  All the
            discussion and feedback around this was captured in Word
            comments in the document.  An updated version based on
            feedback and discussion, will be sent out prior to the next
            EID-DT meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">A
            question was asked about where we were at with the
            Architecture document.  It was explained that we have made a
            lot of good progress recently during the two calls after the
            virtual interim meeting and that notes for those meetings
            were captured in the GitHub issue trackers that were
            discussed.  It was also noted that if anyone had feedback on
            the Architecture that they should send it out to the group
            sooner rather than later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">There
            was also a question about the SACM Charter.  Specifically,
            in addition to specifying the different data fields
            associated with identifying endpoints, are their plans to
            standardize any business logic around them.  For example, an
            algorithm for matching devices using the data collected by
            two different sensors.  If the data collected by two
            sensors, using the algorithm, match then the data could be
            combined as it all represents the same endpoint.  It was
            noted that this is a real problem that they are facing in
            the field and that it might be good to have an industry
            standard around it.  Another example, is around defining
            populations such as “these are all the devices owned by an
            organization”, or “these are all the devices in a single
            location”.  There is also a question around how accurate can
            it be (state, city, building, closet, etc.).  A last example
            is making statements such as this applies to all servers
            running Windows 2012, containing sensitive information, and
            running these databases.  It was noted that there are no
            explicit plans to create matching algorithms, etc. as of
            yet, but, that you could seem the matching possibly being
            part of a query language for interfacing with a repository
            or the information about the location of an endpoint or the
            sensitivity of the data on an endpoint being covered under
            the manually assigned data associated with an endpoint. 
            This is something the broader group may want to discuss
            further.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Action
              Items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Update
            tasks descriptions before next EID-DT meeting (Danny Haynes)<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
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          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo8"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
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            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Contribute
            NetD data model  (Joe Wolfkiel).<b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Please
            let me know if I missed anything, got anything wrong, or if
            you have any questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            Danny<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> On Oct 23, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Gunnar Engelbach =
<gunnar.engelbach@threatguard.com> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Defining an algorithm would help with consistency in correlation =
outcomes between implementers.  However, it would need to be =
acknowledged that such an algorithm could not be expected to cover all =
scenarios, and that in some cases that consistency could just mean it =
was consistently incorrect.
>=20
> As part of a standard, I'd like to see such an algorithm and have it =
cover as much variance as possible -- the whole endpoint identification =
thing does not have much worth as a standard if results are =
inconsistent/unpredictable across implementers.  At the same time =
implementers are going to be much quicker to respond to errors and =
changing technologies than a standards body and they need to be free to =
do so.
>=20
> So I think this creates two needs:
>=20
> 1) The algorithm should not attempt to cover all variations, just as =
many as we have a high confidence in being able to define
> 2) The ability to utilize the algorithm should be available on =
request, but not required to always be used.  For example, when a =
consumer is making a request from a provider, that request should have =
the ability to specify that correlation must be done using the standard =
algorithm.

These seem reasonable.  We should consider algorithm agility as another =
need.


>=20
>=20
> --gun
>=20
>=20
> On 10/23/2015 1:33 PM, Haynes, Dan wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>=20
>> Here are the notes from today=92s Endpoint ID Design Team Meeting =
(EID-DT).
>>=20
>> Attendees
>> =B7         Ron Colvin
>> =B7         Josh Stevens
>> =B7         Joe Wolfkiel
>> =B7         Danny Haynes
>>=20
>> Note Well
>>=20
>> Agenda
>> =B7         Task descriptions
>> =B7         Open issues from the last virtual interim meeting
>> =B7         Next steps
>>=20
>> Materials
>> =B7         Slides from meeting (see attached)
>> =B7         Task descriptions (see attached).
>>=20
>> Notes
>> =B7         First, the task descriptions document was discussed.  All =
the discussion and feedback around this was captured in Word comments in =
the document.  An updated version based on feedback and discussion, will =
be sent out prior to the next EID-DT meeting.
>>=20
>> =B7         A question was asked about where we were at with the =
Architecture document.  It was explained that we have made a lot of good =
progress recently during the two calls after the virtual interim meeting =
and that notes for those meetings were captured in the GitHub issue =
trackers that were discussed.  It was also noted that if anyone had =
feedback on the Architecture that they should send it out to the group =
sooner rather than later.
>>=20
>> =B7         There was also a question about the SACM Charter.  =
Specifically, in addition to specifying the different data fields =
associated with identifying endpoints, are their plans to standardize =
any business logic around them.  For example, an algorithm for matching =
devices using the data collected by two different sensors.  If the data =
collected by two sensors, using the algorithm, match then the data could =
be combined as it all represents the same endpoint.  It was noted that =
this is a real problem that they are facing in the field and that it =
might be good to have an industry standard around it.  Another example, =
is around defining populations such as =93these are all the devices =
owned by an organization=94, or =93these are all the devices in a single =
location=94.  There is also a question around how accurate can it be =
(state, city, building, closet, etc.).  A last example is making =
statements such as this applies to all servers running Windows 2012, =
containing sensitive information, and running these databases.  It was =
noted that there are no explicit plans to create matching algorithms, =
etc. as of yet, but, that you could seem the matching possibly being =
part of a query language for interfacing with a repository or the =
information about the location of an endpoint or the sensitivity of the =
data on an endpoint being covered under the manually assigned data =
associated with an endpoint.  This is something the broader group may =
want to discuss further.
>>=20
>> Action Items
>> =B7         Update tasks descriptions before next EID-DT meeting =
(Danny Haynes)
>> =B7         Contribute NetD data model  (Joe Wolfkiel).
>>=20
>> Please let me know if I missed anything, got anything wrong, or if =
you have any questions.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>>=20
>> Danny
>>=20
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class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Oct 23, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Gunnar Engelbach &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gunnar.engelbach@threatguard.com" =
class=3D"">gunnar.engelbach@threatguard.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><br =
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none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
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class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">Defining an algorithm would help with consistency in =
correlation outcomes between implementers.&nbsp; However, it would need =
to be acknowledged that such an algorithm could not be expected to cover =
all scenarios, and that in some cases that consistency could just mean =
it was consistently incorrect.</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: =
rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">As part of a standard, I'd like to see such an algorithm and =
have it cover as much variance as possible -- the whole endpoint =
identification thing does not have much worth as a standard if results =
are inconsistent/unpredictable across implementers.&nbsp; At the same =
time implementers are going to be much quicker to respond to errors and =
changing technologies than a standards body and they need to be free to =
do so.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
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rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: =
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); =
float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">So I think this =
creates two needs:</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
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rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
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auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
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float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">1) The algorithm =
should not attempt to cover all variations, just as many as we have a =
high confidence in being able to define</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
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float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">2) The ability to =
utilize the algorithm should be available on request, but not required =
to always be used.&nbsp; For example, when a consumer is making a =
request from a provider, that request should have the ability to specify =
that correlation must be done using the standard algorithm.</span><br =
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class=3D""></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>These seem =
reasonable. &nbsp;We should consider algorithm agility as another =
need.&nbsp;</div><div><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
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class=3D"">--gun</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: =
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font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
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class=3D""><div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix" style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 10/23/2015 1:33 PM, Haynes, =
Dan wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote =
cite=3D"mid:BLUPR09MB1040A00C87D2344C7FC6DD8A5260@BLUPR09MB104.namprd09.pr=
od.outlook.com" type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi Everyone,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Here are the notes from today=92s Endpoint ID =
Design Team Meeting (EID-DT).<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Attendees<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Ron Colvin<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">=B7<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Josh Stevens<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">=B7<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Joe Wolfkiel<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">=B7<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Danny Haynes<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Note Well<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Agenda<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Task descriptions<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">=B7<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Open issues from the last virtual interim meeting<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Next steps<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Materials<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Slides from meeting (see attached)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Task descriptions (see attached).&nbsp;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Notes<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">First, the task descriptions document was discussed.&nbsp; =
All the discussion and feedback around this was captured in Word =
comments in the document.&nbsp; An updated version based on feedback and =
discussion, will be sent out prior to the next EID-DT meeting.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">=B7<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">A =
question was asked about where we were at with the Architecture =
document.&nbsp; It was explained that we have made a lot of good =
progress recently during the two calls after the virtual interim meeting =
and that notes for those meetings were captured in the GitHub issue =
trackers that were discussed.&nbsp; It was also noted that if anyone had =
feedback on the Architecture that they should send it out to the group =
sooner rather than later.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">There was also a question about the SACM Charter.&nbsp; =
Specifically, in addition to specifying the different data fields =
associated with identifying endpoints, are their plans to standardize =
any business logic around them.&nbsp; For example, an algorithm for =
matching devices using the data collected by two different =
sensors.&nbsp; If the data collected by two sensors, using the =
algorithm, match then the data could be combined as it all represents =
the same endpoint.&nbsp; It was noted that this is a real problem that =
they are facing in the field and that it might be good to have an =
industry standard around it.&nbsp; Another example, is around defining =
populations such as =93these are all the devices owned by an =
organization=94, or =93these are all the devices in a single location=94. =
&nbsp;There is also a question around how accurate can it be (state, =
city, building, closet, etc.).&nbsp; A last example is making statements =
such as this applies to all servers running Windows 2012, containing =
sensitive information, and running these databases.&nbsp; It was noted =
that there are no explicit plans to create matching algorithms, etc. as =
of yet, but, that you could seem the matching possibly being part of a =
query language for interfacing with a repository or the information =
about the location of an endpoint or the sensitivity of the data on an =
endpoint being covered under the manually assigned data associated with =
an endpoint.&nbsp; This is something the broader group may want to =
discuss further.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Action Items<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt =
0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Update tasks descriptions before next EID-DT meeting (Danny =
Haynes)<b class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></b></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">=B7<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Contribute NetD data model &nbsp;(Joe Wolfkiel).<b =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></b></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></b></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Please let me know if I missed anything, got =
anything wrong, or if you have any questions.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
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serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Danny<o:p =
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Hi,

The SACM WG meetings are scheduled for Tuesday, November 3 and for Thursday=
 November 5 respectively. In order to run smooth and efficient meetings ple=
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-          Volunteer to take notes and be jabber scribe - we cannot start t=
he meeting without these functions in place

-          Send in advance your presentations for uploading on the meeting =
Web site

-          Let the chairs know if there are any last minute changes or requ=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The SACM WG meetings are scheduled for Tuesday, Nove=
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I just wanted to let you know that I *will not* be able to attend the Endpo=
int ID Design Team Meeting today since I will be traveling.

If the group would still like to have the meeting, the WebEx information ca=
n be found here (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sacm/current/msg03161=
.html).

Thanks,

Danny


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just wanted to let you know that I *<b>will not</b=
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<br>
Danny<o:p></o:p></p>
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