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Дата учебного курса: С одиннадцатого по двенадцатое февраля 2008 г.
Продолжительность: 2 дня
г. Москва

Семинар ориентирован на:
Руководителей служб маркетинга и рекламы, бренд-менеджеров, маркетологов и менеджеров по рекламе.

Информация об учебном курсе:

  • Понятие креатива в рекламе Креатив как особенность психологически эффективной рекламы.
  • ИМЯ в рекламе. Функции и классификации имен. Имя дорогое и имя дешевое. Имя и АНТИимя. Приемы создания имени. Экспертиза имени.
  • Слоган в рекламе. Понятие слогана. Методика экспертизы слогана.Слоганы-продавцы, слоганы-фотомодели, слоганы-мыльные пузыри и слоганы-вампиры. Критерии слоганов-продавцов. Структура рабочего слогана.
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  • Образ в рекламе. Понятие визуального ряда. Образ-продавец и образ-фотомодель. Параметры рабочего образа. Приемы создания рекламного образа. Экспертиза образа.
  • Композиция в рекламе. Композиция как методика привлечения и удержания зрительского внимания в визуальной рекламе (статичной и динамичной). Композиция как эффективное соразмещение текстовых и изобразительных составляющих рекламы. Экспертиза композиции.
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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86FFB.225E65FE-- --===============2046168382== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool --===============2046168382==-- From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 18 07:37:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED99D3A6CD3; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:37:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.314 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.314 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.877, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XSplOxHyAzLg; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D189028C47E; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:37:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC4428C447 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Chj5emQ2oSZk for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB6228C3C3 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 3E8C1212AC; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:34:42 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-ab200bb000000b15-67-47b9a5925737 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 1ED392124A; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:34:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:34:03 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.30.103]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:34:03 +0100 Message-ID: <47B9A56B.4090801@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:34:03 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maureen.Stillman@nokia.com References: <4714E8E9.2090302@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 15:34:03.0387 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0C0F4B0:01C87243] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: rserpool@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-threats-08 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org The new draft looks good! Cheers Magnus Maureen.Stillman@nokia.com skrev: > Attacks 2.1 to 2.5 are all potential denial of service attacks. Instead > of pounding a PE server with a stream of bits to deny service, what one > could do instead is corrupt the ENRP database. Then when a client > queries ENRP server for a pool address, ENRP potentially serves up the > IP address of a non-existant server or a server that the hacker has set > up. The gain for the attacker is either denial of service or directing > the user to a server controlled by them. Any attempt to intentionally > corrupt the ENRP database was considered a threat and potential for > attack by the security design team. > > I will add text to the draft which says this. > > The formatting will also be updated. > > -- Maureen > Maureen Stillman > Nokia Enterprise Solutions > Mobile: (607)229-3358 > > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Magnus Westerlund [mailto:magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:38 PM > To: rserpool@ietf.org > Subject: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-threats-08 > > Hi, > > A couple of comments on the threats text. > > 1. I am missing clear text on what the benefit would be for different > attacks. Lets take a look at 2.1 to 2.5 which all deals with adding or > removing PE to the ENRP database. The text is not fortcomming what > benefit the attacker would have in succeeding with it. For example 2.3 > is clearly desirable from two persepctives: > a. DDoS, by adding a PE that is a target for DDoS attack for some > popular high volume service the attacker can register a PE that a lot of > PUs will try to connect to. > b. Man in the middle or masqurade attack on the service provided by the > real PEs. If a malicious user adds itself as a PE and handles the > request he can learn a lot of service data. > > This was just an example, for most threats the effect should be expanded > to show what this can be used for and why it is a really bad idea to do > this without security. > > 2. This a bit more nit: Can you please provide some proper indentation > of the text. It is very hard to read and it is hard to find the section > headings and where each new property:value paragraph starts. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 > Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 > S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > rserpool mailing list > rserpool@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool > -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 18 07:42:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F47F3A6CDB; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:42:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.395, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, J_CHICKENPOX_12=0.6, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F+y7pOBaHtj5; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FC53A6CF4; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:42:05 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4EA63A6CE8 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:42:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O0zCcAU1OEtX for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD383A6CD6 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id ED17C21312; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:41:58 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-a89fbbb000000b15-63-47b9a7466fca Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id CEB7A212EA; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:41:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:41:58 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.30.103]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:41:58 +0100 Message-ID: <47B9A745.2070806@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:41:57 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Tuexen References: <4714E8DC.7040000@ericsson.com> <982A2056-1913-46DA-81BF-5B64C091A0F0@lurchi.franken.de> <4743041B.3010304@ericsson.com> <2CA0F3CB-0E8C-4F1E-8F5E-B5D7B7B5E6CD@lurchi.franken.de> <47454F1D.3060005@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47454F1D.3060005@ericsson.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 15:41:58.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBD3D820:01C87244] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: rserpool@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-enrp-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-asap-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-common-param-13 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I am expecting another updated to ASAP to handle these last comments regarding the IANA code points. Cheers Magnus Magnus Westerlund skrev: > Michael Tuexen skrev: >>>>> >>>>> A2. Section 7.2: Also what is the security solution for multicast. >>>> Not sure what the problem is... The receiver should trust the >>>> information >>>> in the received multicast message the same way as preconfigured >>>> information. >>>> It gets an address which might or might no belong to a trustworthy >>>> ENRP server. Other mechanisms have t be used for authentication. >>> Okay, then it maybe should be explicit about that the multicast messages >>> are not at all trustworthy. I am also worried that one basically can >>> inject a lot of server announcement messages and that way push the valid >>> servers into minority so that a client will try all this invalid servers >>> and never find a valid one. >> That is possible. But using the Multicast messages is completely optional. >> They are not secured by IPSec or TLS so you can not trust them... >> So what are you expecting here? A sentence or two in the security >> considerations >> describing the above? > > Yes, explaining that there is security issues here, but we are not > resolving them currently. And that with the exception of the DDOS vector > they are any resolved by the later security mechanism. > > >>>>> A11. Section 6: >>>>> >>>>> ASAP well known port registration? Is this not needed as the ENRP >>>>> protocol will always provide the port? Is that true both for PE and >>>>> ENRP? >>>> Well, only if multicast is used. In the other case, the well known port >>>> is used. >>> Please include in the IANA section a listing of the well known ports >>> that have been assigned. I also think you should include a request to >>> update the reference for these ports to this document. >> I'm not sure what you want here. If you look at >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers >> and search for asap you will find: >> >> # Yoshikazu Watanabe >> asap-tcp 3863/tcp asap tcp port >> asap-udp 3863/udp asap udp port >> # Lyndon Ong August 2003 >> asap-sctp 3863/sctp asap sctp >> # Lyndon Ong November 2005 >> asap-tcp-tls 3864/tcp asap/tls tcp port >> # Lyndon Ong August 2003 >> asap-sctp-tls 3864/sctp asap-sctp/tls >> # Lyndon Ong June 2006 >> >> and for enrp >> >> enrp 9901/udp enrp server channel >> enrp-sctp 9901/sctp enrp server channel >> # Lyndon Ong June 2006 >> enrp-sctp-tls 9902/sctp enrp/tls server channel >> # Lyndon Ong June 2006 >> >> If I look at other entries in the document I do not see references >> to RFCs. >> >> So would it be enough to just list these assignments in the IANA section? > > I would propose that these registrations are transfered over to IETF and > having the documents actually being referenced. If you search a bit you > will find that some port numbers do have RFC numbers as the reference. > > So include the list of port numbers in the relevant drafts and then > include a request to IANA to update these registrations to point at the > documents. I assume Lyndon is fine with this. But he is the current > owner of these registrations so he probably needs to notify IANA that he > is fine when they actually process the request. > > > >> I guess that we should also list the PPID assignments and request an >> update for the reference in >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/sctp-parameters >> >> SCTP Payload Protocol Identifiers Reference >> -------------------------------------------------------- --------- >> 0 - Reserved by SCTP [RFC4960] >> 1 - IUA [RFC4233] >> 2 - M2UA [RFC3331] >> 3 - M3UA [RFC4666] >> 4 - SUA [RFC2960] >> 5 - M2PA [RFC2960] >> 6 - V5UA [RFC2960] >> 7 - H.248 [H.248] >> 8 - BICC/Q.2150.3 >> [Q.1902.1][Q.2150.3] >> 9 - TALI [RFC3094] >> 10 - DUA [RFC4129] >> 11 - ASAP [Ong] >> 12 - ENRP [Ong] >> 13 - H.323 [H.323] >> 14 - Q.IPC/Q.2150.3 >> [Q.2631.1][Q.2150.3] >> 15 - SIMCO [Kiesel] >> 16 - DDP Segment Chunk [RFC5043] >> 17 - DDP Stream Session Control [RFC5043] >> >> Do you agree? > > You shouldn't list all the PPIDs. Only request that IANA updates the > ones that are created by the RSERPOOL documents to point at the RSERPOOL > documents. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 > Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 > S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > rserpool mailing list > rserpool@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool > -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 18 07:46:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DF628C47A; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:46:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.612 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.612 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.974, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eSman2xGOV0d; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7756828C509; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:46:02 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405E028C3DF for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:46:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jyM6jHz8W3Ih for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7786F28C3DB for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 32920213B0; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:44:59 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-a81fabb000000b15-c0-47b9a7fb5998 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 260F6213A0; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:44:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:43:59 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.30.103]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:43:58 +0100 Message-ID: <47B9A7BE.9090508@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:43:58 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Magnus Westerlund References: <4714E8DC.7040000@ericsson.com> <4742FD72.8060508@ericsson.com> <03A119C2-433D-4B47-A386-C301A7C0CAC7@lurchi.franken.de> <47454C69.4080004@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47454C69.4080004@ericsson.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 15:43:58.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[13A1CD60:01C87245] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Michael Tuexen , rserpool@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-enrp-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-asap-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-common-param-13 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org To me it looks like Common Parameters are ready to be IETF last called. Cheers Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 18 08:24:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833F428C3A2; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:24:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.905, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ixHlbQpTM1Mk; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE803A6CD7; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:24:09 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6538E28C256 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:24:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kw8iwX7JnLTN for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563B33A6CAC for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 0C95920D43 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:24:04 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-b08c0bb000007e19-d5-47b9b1239d9c Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id F216620CC6 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:24:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:23:11 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.30.103]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:23:10 +0100 Message-ID: <47B9B0EF.40302@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:23:11 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rserpool@ietf.org References: <4714E8DC.7040000@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4714E8DC.7040000@ericsson.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 16:23:10.0980 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DA7F440:01C8724A] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-enrp-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-asap-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-common-param-13 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I think the update provided in November solved most of the issues for ENRP. However, there are still a few that I am missing answers or resolution to. It might be that I am missing some explanation email to these issues. Please help me ensure that we take care of all the issues. Magnus Westerlund skrev: > ENRP: > > E4. Section 2.3: What I don't understand is why the Pool Entry format > isn't a TLV in itself with the sub TLVs so that one can skip all the PEs > to the next Pool Entry. > > E6. TAKEOVER: I am bit frightened that a malicious server that ignore > ENRP_PRESENCE message can force a takeover. No one can protest a single > bit. I also find it strange that there is no "R"eject bit in the > ENRP_INIT_TAKEOVER_ACK. If two servers that initiated takeover at the > sametime reach each other there are no way to indicate that you are the > looser and I reject your initiation because I am the winner. See also > below. > > > E22, section 3.10.2: How long is the TAKEOVER_ACKS valid? I guess there > is an assumption that the Initiating server will send an enforcement as > soon as it has received ACKs from all other. > > > E25. Section 5: Well known Port registration for ENRP? > Cheers Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 18 08:25:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69EB3A6C75; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:25:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.859 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.859 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.422, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uu8c0mInvh12; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3A33A6AFD; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:25:38 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163713A6AFD for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:25:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kq6zsa-KALrp for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (mailgw4.ericsson.se [193.180.251.62]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69BF3A68FE for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:25:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 2B8D82138F for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:25:32 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-a89fbbb000000b15-9d-47b9b17c561b Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 1E6992138A for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:25:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.175]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:25:31 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.30.103]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:25:31 +0100 Message-ID: <47B9B17B.7040901@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:25:31 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Magnus Westerlund References: <4714E8DA.4030000@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4714E8DA.4030000@ericsson.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 16:25:31.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[E17867D0:01C8724A] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: rserpool@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-overview-02 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Hi, The update did resolve the first issue. I hade expected more on the second, but I think it is okay. Cheers Magnus Magnus Westerlund skrev: > Hi, > > I have spent a few days reviewing the full set of RSERPOOL documents. So > here is the comments in a number of different emails. A general comment > about my comments on the full set is that some are not blocking > publication but things I think should be fixing anyway for getting the > document into better shape. However, many are such that I think they are > preventing people from making interoperable implementations. > > I think I have only one real comment about this document. It fails a bit > short in being clear on the different communication flows that exist. > This lack of clear separation of the roles is also present in the > protocol specs that I think brings up details that belongs in other > specifications. More about this in the protocol spec docs. > > I think one should work on expanding figure 1 to be better covering the > different elements of the solution and their flows. So a few proposals. > > 1. Try to work multiple ENRP into the figure or abstract them in this > one and add another figure that explains the relation between ENRP servers. > > 2. Look at the individual communication flows. > a. PU <-> ENRP > b. PU <-> PE > c. PE <-> ENRP > d. ENRP <-> ENRP > > I would focus on what is happening in the different flows. But there is > problematic that an ENRP server uses both ASAP and ENRP depending who > and why it communicates with someone. > > Cheers > > Magnus Westerlund > > IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM/M > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 > Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 > S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > rserpool mailing list > rserpool@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool > -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 18 08:27:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F2F28C3A7; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.853 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.853 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.416, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-akCZzF3OAa; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C2C3A6BBD; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:53 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752A23A6BBD for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fM2W7pzjcEn for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352DB3A68FE for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 1AADF20D4A; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:27:48 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-af8bebb000007e19-08-47b9b203d737 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E304A20D49; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:27:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:27:14 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.30.103]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:27:13 +0100 Message-ID: <47B9B1E1.2040609@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:27:13 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Dreibholz References: <4714E8DF.1040900@ericsson.com> <200710231626.39367.dreibh@iem.uni-due.de> In-Reply-To: <200710231626.39367.dreibh@iem.uni-due.de> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2008 16:27:13.0379 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E231B30:01C8724B] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: rserpool@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-policies-06 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Thanks, This document is ready for IETF last call. Cheers Magnus Thomas Dreibholz skrev: > * PGP Signed by an unknown key: 10/23/2007 at 04:26:39 PM > Hi Magnus, > > see my comments inline. > >> 1. In a number of places I find this document talking about policies >> returning multiple PEs in answer. However, I can't remember any requests >> that support asking for multiple answers. So please inform me how this >> was intended to use. Or if not currently supported what the intention >> was with specifying this for the policies. > > The ENRP server decides how many PE identities to return upon a handle > resolution request. Then, the requested number of PE identities is selected > by policy. > > This should be clearified in the ASAP draft. > > >> 2. Section 5.2.2: >> I think one need to clarify that this policy should be selecting the >> pool element that gets the lowest value when calculating: load value + >> degradation counter * load degradation >> >> Forgetting to multiply the load degradation factor with the counter of >> loads assigned I think miss the whole purpose of this policy. > > Done. The description has been misleading, since "counter" has been increased > by "load degradation". A counter should be incremented by 1. Therefore, I > have changed the part as follows: > > ----- > For every pool element entry, a degradation counter MUST be stored. When > a pool element entry is added or updated by registration or reregistration, > this counter MUST be set to 0. When an entry is selected for being returned > to a pool user, the internal degradation counter MUST be incremented by 1. > The selection of pool element entries is handled like for LU, except that the > selected pool element entries SHOULD have the lowest possible sum of load > value + degradation counter * load degradation value. > ----- > > >> 3. Section 5.4.1: >> "ratio of 100%-load to >> the sum of all pool elements' load values." >> >> I think you should change this formula. I first interpreted the minus >> sign as continunation but that didn't make much sense. Also I think 100% >> needs to be represented as it is in the protocol with 0xFFFFFFFF. >> >> Also shouldn't the used ratio be = (0xFFFFFFFF - load_A) / >> (sum(0xFFFFFFFF-load_x)) i.e. this PE's unload part related to the whole >> pools unload rate. I think that makes more sense than to calculate it as >> unloaded divided by the sum of the total load. > > Done. The description has been changed as follows: > > ----- > The Randomized Least Used (RLU) policy combines LU and WRAND. That is, the > pool element entries are selected randomly. The probability for a pool > element entry A, utilized with load_A, to be selected is (0xFFFFFFFF - > load_A) / (sum(0xFFFFFFFF-load_x)), i.e. this PE's unload part related to the > whole pool unload rate. > ----- > > >> 4. Section 6. >> >> Shouldn't this section discuss the sensitivity the different policies >> has against different type of attacks. For example if an ENRP gets a lot >> of requests for a particular pool and it used a least used policy that >> requires the PE to update its load, then all these requests will end >> pointing to that particular PE. So it is sensitive to flash floods of >> requests. I think there are other considerations that also should be >> noted about the policies. > > Policies are affected by misinformation propagated into the handlespace by an > attacker. This generic security threat is already handled in the Threats > document. > > >> 5. Section 7.1: I can't understand what the policy is for value >> 0x80000000-0xFFFFFFFF. Is that also specification required, can't be >> registered? To me it seems this range would be best served by first come >> first served. > > The idea of this policy range is to have an ID space which can be safely used > for private, non-standard policies. > > I have replaced "user-defined" by "private use" and also added the following > sentence: > "The Policy Type space from 0x80000000 to 0xffffffff is designated for private > use." > > > Best regards -- Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 19 02:35:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7393528C4FF; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:35:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.343 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.343 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.906, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UCbI79nfGP9i; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AB028C4B3; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:35:12 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26BC3A69A6 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:35:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tp9mAbTGzN7x for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout.uni-due.de (mailout.uni-due.de [132.252.185.19]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEA928C4C6 for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from lupo.exp-math.uni-essen.de (lupo.iem.uni-due.de [132.252.150.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailout.uni-due.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1JAYrS1017006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:34:59 +0100 From: Thomas Dreibholz Organization: University of Duisburg-Essen, Institute for Experimental Mathematics To: rserpool@ietf.org Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 11:34:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4714E8DA.4030000@ericsson.com> <47B9B17B.7040901@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <47B9B17B.7040901@ericsson.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200802191135.01051.dreibh@iem.uni-due.de> X-Spam-Scanned: SpamAssassin: 3.001009 - http://www.spamassassin.org X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 132.252.185.19 Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-overview-02 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1405479253==" Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org --===============1405479253== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4003881.Fcv70SBFXt"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart4003881.Fcv70SBFXt Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Montag, 18. 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Magnus Westerlund wrote: > Hi, > > I think the update provided in November solved most of the issues for > ENRP. However, there are still a few that I am missing answers or > resolution to. It might be that I am missing some explanation email to > these issues. Please help me ensure that we take care of all the issues. > > Magnus Westerlund skrev: > >> ENRP: >> >> E4. Section 2.3: What I don't understand is why the Pool Entry format >> isn't a TLV in itself with the sub TLVs so that one can skip all the PEs >> to the next Pool Entry. >> For the integrity of the pool, the receiver MUST NOT skip a Pool Entry. For this reason, TLV is not use for the Pool Entry for compactness of the message (we are more concerned about the size of the message here: ENRP_HANDLE_TABLE_RESPONSE message is potentially the biggest msg in the protocol). >> E6. TAKEOVER: I am bit frightened that a malicious server that ignore >> ENRP_PRESENCE message can force a takeover. No one can protest a single >> bit. I also find it strange that there is no "R"eject bit in the >> ENRP_INIT_TAKEOVER_ACK. If two servers that initiated takeover at the >> sametime reach each other there are no way to indicate that you are the >> looser and I reject your initiation because I am the winner. See also >> below. >> Firstly, we assume that mutual trust among servers are ensured. We also have the tie-break algorithm that is based on the "when sense a competition, alway back-off" principle and the server IDs give a deterministic order to break any tie. Full details of this is given in Section 3.5.1. >> >> E22, section 3.10.2: How long is the TAKEOVER_ACKS valid? I guess there >> is an assumption that the Initiating server will send an enforcement as >> soon as it has received ACKs from all other. >> Yes, the enforcement is the sending of the ENRP_TAKEOVER_SERVER message by the Initiating server, as specified in the following text: " Once the initiating server has received the ENRP_INIT_TAKEOVER_ACK message from all of its currently known peers (except for the target server), it MUST consider that it has won the arbitration and MUST proceed to complete the take-over, following the steps described in Section 3.5.2. 3.5.2. Take-over Target Peer Server The initiating ENRP server MUST first send, via an announcement, an ENRP_TAKEOVER_SERVER message to inform all its active peers that the take-over is enforced. " >> >> E25. Section 5: Well known Port registration for ENRP? >> Yes. regards, -Qiaobing _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool From rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 26 03:06:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-rserpool-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003A628C201; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:06:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.358 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.358 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.720, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hvzK7JvaUMHa; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B5B3A6BCA; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:06:44 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rserpool@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC06728C0EC for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:06:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXhia-qePKdu for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (mailgw3.ericsson.se [193.180.251.60]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842133A6BCA for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:06:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 94ABC21A6D; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:53:53 +0100 (CET) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-ae0bbbb000007e19-9b-47c3efc16a57 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 7DF5D21A6B; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:53:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.174]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:47:46 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([147.214.30.103]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:41:56 +0100 Message-ID: <47C3ECF4.7050702@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 11:41:56 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Qiaobing Xie References: <4714E8DC.7040000@ericsson.com> <47B9B0EF.40302@ericsson.com> <47BF60CD.8080502@motorola.com> In-Reply-To: <47BF60CD.8080502@motorola.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Feb 2008 10:41:56.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[35760990:01C87864] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: rserpool@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rserpool] AD comments on draft-ietf-rserpool-enrp-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-asap-17, draft-ietf-rserpool-common-param-13 X-BeenThere: rserpool@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Reliable Server Pooling List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rserpool-bounces@ietf.org Qiaobing Xie skrev: > Hi, Magnus, > > Let me to try to give an answer to the questions. > > Magnus Westerlund wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I think the update provided in November solved most of the issues for >> ENRP. However, there are still a few that I am missing answers or >> resolution to. It might be that I am missing some explanation email to >> these issues. Please help me ensure that we take care of all the issues. >> >> Magnus Westerlund skrev: >> >>> ENRP: >>> >>> E4. Section 2.3: What I don't understand is why the Pool Entry format >>> isn't a TLV in itself with the sub TLVs so that one can skip all the PEs >>> to the next Pool Entry. >>> > > For the integrity of the pool, the receiver MUST NOT skip a Pool Entry. > For this reason, TLV is not use for the Pool Entry for compactness of > the message (we are more concerned about the size of the message here: > ENRP_HANDLE_TABLE_RESPONSE message is potentially the biggest msg in the > protocol). > Okay. >>> E6. TAKEOVER: I am bit frightened that a malicious server that ignore >>> ENRP_PRESENCE message can force a takeover. No one can protest a single >>> bit. I also find it strange that there is no "R"eject bit in the >>> ENRP_INIT_TAKEOVER_ACK. If two servers that initiated takeover at the >>> sametime reach each other there are no way to indicate that you are the >>> looser and I reject your initiation because I am the winner. See also >>> below. >>> > > Firstly, we assume that mutual trust among servers are ensured. We also > have the tie-break algorithm that is based on the "when sense a > competition, alway back-off" principle and the server IDs give a > deterministic order to break any tie. Full details of this is given in > Section 3.5.1. Okay, that sounds okay. > >>> >>> E22, section 3.10.2: How long is the TAKEOVER_ACKS valid? I guess there >>> is an assumption that the Initiating server will send an enforcement as >>> soon as it has received ACKs from all other. >>> > > Yes, the enforcement is the sending of the ENRP_TAKEOVER_SERVER message > by the Initiating server, as specified in the following text: > > " Once the initiating server has received the ENRP_INIT_TAKEOVER_ACK > message from all of its currently known peers (except for the target > server), it MUST consider that it has won the arbitration and MUST > proceed to complete the take-over, following the steps described in > Section 3.5.2. > > 3.5.2. Take-over Target Peer Server > > The initiating ENRP server MUST first send, via an announcement, an > ENRP_TAKEOVER_SERVER message to inform all its active peers that the > take-over is enforced. > " > Okay, seems to be no problem. >>> >>> E25. Section 5: Well known Port registration for ENRP? >>> > > Yes. > Okay, such a registration is missing. And I guess that "Registered" port is sufficient for ENRP. But please update the draft to include such a request. Cheers Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ rserpool mailing list rserpool@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rserpool