From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Mon Dec 6 05:59:39 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA20721 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 05:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06580; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:08:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06576 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11687 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11684 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 02:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate.mot.com (MOT-motgate 1.0) with ESMTP id DAA07766 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:07:58 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from homer.arc.corp.mot.com ([217.1.10.38]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id DAA10814 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 03:07:56 -0700 (MST)] Received: from arc.corp.mot.com (IDENT:rkermode@[217.1.71.205]) by homer.arc.corp.mot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09163 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:07:06 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <384B8B59.E3B1C1AB@arc.corp.mot.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:09:29 +1100 From: Roger Kermode X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmt@lbl.gov Subject: RMT Future Progress..... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E8E3F1738F8E4F1EA0F97937" Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk --------------E8E3F1738F8E4F1EA0F97937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Everyone, Thanks for your efforts so far. In discussions between the RMT chairs and the Transport ADs after the RMT slot in Washington D.C., it was decided that we need to accelerate our progress. To that we'd like to propose two things: 1) Hold an all-day interim meeting in mid-february at least one month before the Adelaide IETF. It has been suggested that the west-coast of the US would be a good place to hold the meeting. Possible venues could be Berkeley or San Diego, what do people think? 2) Formation of teams to work on Building Block and Protocol Instanitaions Drafts: Below is a list of people (alphabetic order) who have expressed an interest in working on the various drafts. We'd like to see the team for each draft to solidify and for work to start in earnest for presentation at the interim meeting. ACTION: Let's use the list to start some discussion about 1) forming the teams to do the drafts and 2) whether people can attend the interim meeting in mid-feb cheers, Roger Kermode, Allison Mankin, Lorenzo Vicisano Guidelines Draft ---------------- Roger Kermode Allison Mankin Lorenzo Vicisano Building Blocks teams --------------------- ## Congestion Control (with RMRG) Sally Flloyd Mark Handley ## Generic Router Assist Brad Cain, Tony Speakman, Don Towsley ## NACK Brian Adamson Joe Macker ## FEC Jon Crowcroft? Jim Gemmel Mike Luby Luigi Rizzo Lorenzo Vicisano? ## Tree Building (with RMRG) Dah Ming Chu Roger Kermode Brian Levine Dave Thaler Brian Whetten Transport Protection ?? Protocol Instantiaions ---------------------- ## NACK Joe Macker Brian Adamson ## TRACK Brian Whetten Dah Ming Chiu ## Open Loop FEC Mike Luby --------------E8E3F1738F8E4F1EA0F97937 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Everyone,

Thanks for your efforts so far. In discussions between the RMT chairs
and the Transport ADs after the RMT slot in Washington D.C., it was
decided that we need to accelerate our progress. To that we'd like
to propose two things:
 

1) Hold an all-day interim meeting in mid-february at least one month
   before the Adelaide IETF.

   It has been suggested that the west-coast of the US would be a good
   place to hold the meeting. Possible venues could be Berkeley or
   San Diego, what do people think?

2) Formation of teams to work on Building Block and Protocol
   Instanitaions Drafts:

   Below is a list of people (alphabetic order) who have expressed an
   interest in working on the various drafts. We'd like to see the team
   for each draft to solidify and for work to start in earnest for
   presentation at the interim meeting.

ACTION: Let's use the list to start some discussion about
  1) forming the teams to do the drafts and
  2) whether people can attend the interim meeting in mid-feb

cheers,

Roger Kermode,
Allison Mankin,
Lorenzo Vicisano
 

Guidelines Draft
----------------
Roger Kermode
Allison Mankin
Lorenzo Vicisano

Building Blocks teams
---------------------

## Congestion Control (with RMRG)
Sally Flloyd
Mark Handley

## Generic Router Assist
Brad Cain,
Tony Speakman,
Don Towsley

## NACK
Brian Adamson
Joe Macker

## FEC
Jon Crowcroft?
Jim Gemmel
Mike Luby
Luigi Rizzo
Lorenzo Vicisano?

## Tree Building (with RMRG)
Dah Ming Chu
Roger Kermode
Brian Levine
Dave Thaler
Brian Whetten

Transport Protection
??

Protocol Instantiaions
----------------------
## NACK
Joe Macker
Brian Adamson

## TRACK
Brian Whetten
Dah Ming Chiu

## Open Loop FEC
Mike Luby --------------E8E3F1738F8E4F1EA0F97937-- From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Mon Dec 6 16:00:47 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00805 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09564; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:07:39 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09560 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06942 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from phobos.talarian.com (mailhost.talarian.com [207.5.32.17]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06934 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from tahoe ([10.3.9.43]) by phobos.talarian.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA21305; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:07:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19991206120017.01f08b90@mailhost.talarian.com> X-Sender: whetten@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 12:07:54 -0800 To: Roger Kermode , rmt@lbl.gov From: Brian Whetten Subject: Re: RMT Future Progress..... In-Reply-To: <384B8B59.E3B1C1AB@arc.corp.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4158739==_.ALT" Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk --=====================_4158739==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Great to see the pointy stick out again. :) I would also be happy to/like to participate in the congestion control BB. For transport layer protection, I think Thomas Hardjorno has some interest in helping with this, and he can probably point you to some others from the SMUG community who have interest in helping on this as well. Can I please make just one strong request for the February meeting, which is that we schedule it in the next 2-3 weeksW. February 7-9 is the IP Multicast Summit, here in the bay, so scheduling it for the 10th might work well for people. Brian At 09:09 PM 12/6/1999 +1100, Roger Kermode wrote: > > Dear Everyone, > > Thanks for your efforts so far. In discussions between the RMT chairs > and the Transport ADs after the RMT slot in Washington D.C., it was > decided that we need to accelerate our progress. To that we'd like > to propose two things: > > > 1) Hold an all-day interim meeting in mid-february at least one month > before the Adelaide IETF. > > It has been suggested that the west-coast of the US would be a good > place to hold the meeting. Possible venues could be Berkeley or > San Diego, what do people think? > > 2) Formation of teams to work on Building Block and Protocol > Instanitaions Drafts: > > Below is a list of people (alphabetic order) who have expressed an > interest in working on the various drafts. We'd like to see the team > for each draft to solidify and for work to start in earnest for > presentation at the interim meeting. > > ACTION: Let's use the list to start some discussion about > 1) forming the teams to do the drafts and > 2) whether people can attend the interim meeting in mid-feb > > cheers, > > Roger Kermode, > Allison Mankin, > Lorenzo Vicisano > > > Guidelines Draft > ---------------- > Roger Kermode > Allison Mankin > Lorenzo Vicisano > > Building Blocks teams > --------------------- > > ## Congestion Control (with RMRG) > Sally Flloyd > Mark Handley > > ## Generic Router Assist > Brad Cain, > Tony Speakman, > Don Towsley > > ## NACK > Brian Adamson > Joe Macker > > ## FEC > Jon Crowcroft? > Jim Gemmel > Mike Luby > Luigi Rizzo > Lorenzo Vicisano? > > ## Tree Building (with RMRG) > Dah Ming Chu > Roger Kermode > Brian Levine > Dave Thaler > Brian Whetten > > Transport Protection > ?? > > Protocol Instantiaions > ---------------------- > ## NACK > Joe Macker > Brian Adamson > > ## TRACK > Brian Whetten > Dah Ming Chiu > > ## Open Loop FEC > Mike Luby --=====================_4158739==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Great to see the pointy stick out again.  :)

I would also be happy to/like to participate in the congestion control BB.  For transport layer protection, I think Thomas Hardjorno has some interest in helping with this, and he can probably point you to some others from the SMUG community who have interest in helping on this as well.

Can I please make just one strong request for the February meeting, which is that we schedule it in the next 2-3 weeksW.  February 7-9 is the IP Multicast Summit, here in the bay, so scheduling it for the 10th might work well for people.

Brian

At 09:09 PM 12/6/1999 +1100, Roger Kermode wrote:

Dear Everyone,

Thanks for your efforts so far. In discussions between the RMT chairs
and the Transport ADs after the RMT slot in Washington D.C., it was
decided that we need to accelerate our progress. To that we'd like
to propose two things:
 

1) Hold an all-day interim meeting in mid-february at least one month
   before the Adelaide IETF.

   It has been suggested that the west-coast of the US would be a good
   place to hold the meeting. Possible venues could be Berkeley or
   San Diego, what do people think?

2) Formation of teams to work on Building Block and Protocol
   Instanitaions Drafts:

   Below is a list of people (alphabetic order) who have expressed an
   interest in working on the various drafts. We'd like to see the team
   for each draft to solidify and for work to start in earnest for
   presentation at the interim meeting.

ACTION: Let's use the list to start some discussion about
  1) forming the teams to do the drafts and
  2) whether people can attend the interim meeting in mid-feb

cheers,

Roger Kermode,
Allison Mankin,
Lorenzo Vicisano
 

Guidelines Draft
----------------
Roger Kermode
Allison Mankin
Lorenzo Vicisano

Building Blocks teams
---------------------

## Congestion Control (with RMRG)
Sally Flloyd
Mark Handley

## Generic Router Assist
Brad Cain,
Tony Speakman,
Don Towsley

## NACK
Brian Adamson
Joe Macker

## FEC
Jon Crowcroft?
Jim Gemmel
Mike Luby
Luigi Rizzo
Lorenzo Vicisano?

## Tree Building (with RMRG)
Dah Ming Chu
Roger Kermode
Brian Levine
Dave Thaler
Brian Whetten

Transport Protection
??

Protocol Instantiaions
----------------------
## NACK
Joe Macker
Brian Adamson

## TRACK
Brian Whetten
Dah Ming Chiu

## Open Loop FEC
Mike Luby


--=====================_4158739==_.ALT-- From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Mon Dec 6 17:15:09 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03813 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09830; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:19:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09826 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29819 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29779 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastmail2.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14636 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bcn.East.Sun.COM (bcn.East.Sun.COM [129.148.75.4]) by eastmail2.East.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id QAA12653 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from bridge (bridge [129.148.75.125]) by bcn.East.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA10750 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:19:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912062119.QAA10750@bcn.East.Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:19:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dah Ming Chiu - Sun Microsystems Reply-To: Dah Ming Chiu - Sun Microsystems Subject: Re: RMT Future Progress..... To: rmt@lbl.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: mMfyCyd3/fBAzHZorxGgug== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 CDE Version 1.3 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk I also like the idea of holding it in the Bay area, near IP Multicast Summit. Regards Dah Ming Chiu From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Tue Dec 7 18:01:43 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20152 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21613; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:18:22 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21604 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) From: rhee@eos.ncsu.edu Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28438 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:18:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rolex.csc.ncsu.edu (rolex.csc.ncsu.edu [152.1.213.197]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28433 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rhee@localhost) by rolex.csc.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/UC02Jan97) id RAA03393; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:18:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:18:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199912072218.RAA03393@rolex.csc.ncsu.edu> To: rkermode@arc.corp.mot.com, rmt@lbl.gov Subject: re: RMT Future Progress..... Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk Hi Roger, I would like to participate in the internet-drafting process. In particular, I am interested in congestion control and FEC. Is it possible to have me in these teams? Injong From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Thu Dec 9 17:50:38 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA03072 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 17:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02820; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:31:53 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02816 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21648 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from hercules.cs.ucsb.edu (hercules.cs.ucsb.edu [128.111.41.30]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21643 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from jackson.cs.ucsb.edu (jackson [128.111.52.10]) by hercules.cs.ucsb.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15497; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by jackson.cs.ucsb.edu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id NAA28580 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:31:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 13:31:33 -0800 (PST) From: almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu (Kevin C. 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The result will be a growing demand for large-scale multimedia applications and services. Multicasting as a pure networking solution to the transport of media is recognized as offering economies-of-scale for large-scale applications. Multicast is also believed to enable applications which provide service to thousands, even millions of customers. While there has been significant research work on multicast, efforts to successfully deploy a production service have lagged. Reasons range from frequently changing protocols, management and engineering problems, legacy hardware limitations, traffic conflicts with unicast, etc.. This special issue focuses on research issues dealing with the challenges of deploying multicast in the network. Specific topics include, but are not limited to: * Multicast Congestion Control * Multicast Overlay Networks * Next-Generation Multicast Routing Algorithms * Multicast Media Transport * Security for Multicast-Based Services * Multicast Traffic Engineering and Management * Multicast Pricing and Quality of Service GUEST EDITORS: Kevin Almeroth Jorg Nonnenmacher Department of Computer Science Network Research Dept, Lucent Technologies University of California 600-700 Mountain Avenue Santa Barbara, CA 93106-5110 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 Phone: +1(805) 893-2777 Phone: +1(908) 582-1707 Fax: +1(805) 893-8553 Fax: +1(908) 582-6632 Email: almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu Email: nonnen@research.bell-labs.com IMPORTANT DATES: Paper Submission Deadline: February 1, 2000 Feedback to Authors: May 1, 2000 Final Manuscripts Due: June 1, 2000 Publication Date: Fall 2000 SUBMISSION INSTRUCTIONS: Authors are requested to send e-mail to one or both of the Guest Editors (almeroth@cs.ucsb.edu, nonnen@research.bell-labs.com) giving a URL from where a postscript or PDF file can be downloaded. 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From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Thu Dec 9 18:55:23 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA05294 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03178; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03174 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19652 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-mailhub-2.cisco.com (sj-mailhub-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19648 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [171.69.65.54]) by sj-mailhub-2.cisco.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18195 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:07:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id PAA10767 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:06:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912092306.PAA10767@kouvelas-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: kouvelas-u10.cisco.com: lorenzo owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: rmt@lbl.gov Subject: Draft meeting minutes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:06:23 -0800 From: Lorenzo Vicisano Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk Hi, Please find enclosed the draft version of the Washington IETF meeting minutes. If you have comments please let us know by tomorrow Dec 10th 3pm PST. Apologize for the short notice. Cheers, The WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_-5897494130" This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_-5897494130 --==_Exmh_-5897494130 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="rmt2-minutes"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: rmt2-minutes Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rmt2-minutes" Thursday, November 11 at 1300-1500 =================================== CHAIRS: Allison Mankin Roger Kermode Lorenzo Vicisano Notes taken by Sally Floyd and Alliso Mankin. Minutes reported by the WG chairs. Meeting Agenda ============== Agenda Bashing: Roger Kermode BB & DS Drafts Update: Roger Kermode Guidelines Draft (NEW): Allison Mankin Congestion Control Update: Mark Handley Generic Router Assist: Tony Speakman Protocol 1 - NACK: Joe Macker Protocol 2 - TRACK: Brian Whetten Protocol 3 - Open Loop: Mike Luby Security Requirements: Thomas Hardjono Recharter/Discussion/Next Steps: Roger Kermode General Remarks ================ - Volunteers to work on any/all drafts are sought. The WG chairs are compiling a list of people interested that will be circulated in the WG mailing list. - As a result of the WG meeting discussion, a revision to the list of building block is needed (probably need extension). This issue will be discussed in a meeting to be held in between this and next IETF. Meeting Minutes =============== The content of the viewgraphs presented is not fully reported in this notes. Please refer to the presentation material for this. + Guidelines Draft ------------------ This draft is being put together by the Working Group co-chairs. Besides the issues established initially, this draft should also discuss requirement/applicability statement for Protocol Instantiation. Protocol instantiation drafts should explicitly state how the protocol being specified meets the guidelines requirements. + Congestion Control Update --------------------------- No viewgraphs available. The IRTF RMRG has a good handle on equation-based congestion control for unicast. The multicast variant has not been developed as far as expected. A guess on time-scales are that a draft on sender-based multicast congestion control will be moved from RMRG to RMT in about six months. The above applies to sender-based congestion control with single data rate. Sender-based and receiver-based congestion control will be covered in separate drafts. + Generic Router Assist ------------------------ This constitutes one of the building blocks. The architectural design draft is available: draft-ieft-rmt-gra-arch-00.txt . The router task is to assist in functions that can also be accomplished without their presence (albeit less efficiently). It is lightweighted and it is not active networking. Open issues are: mechanism for splicing GRA signals into transport protocols (cannot go in network layer but should be transport-independent). The authors of the draft solicit input from protocol designers to select the "support functions" implemented in routers. Operators that manipulate packets will be limited in number (~ 10) and not combinable. + Building Blocks for NACK-Only RM (NORM) ----------------------------------------- This presentation is intended to stimulate a discussion on building blocks for NACK-bases protocols by presenting a prototyped instantiation of NACK-based protocol (MDP). Assumption: - do not assume GRA, but be able to use it, if it is present. - support loosely controlled groups - Request for retransmission (NACK) should be based on the type/content of the transfer. (e.g. discrete objects vs. continuous stream). - NACK suppression and other needed functionalities should not make assumptions on the underling multicast network service. These should be able to work in presence of asymmetry introduced by the current variety of routing protocol (source-based tree, shred tree, bidirectional tree, single source model). They should also work without multicast back-channel. >From the discussion after the presentation it appears that there are more 'small' building blocks that can be extracted from the NACK protocol instantiation than the ones initially foreseen (e.g. source/session identification). + TRACK protocol instantiation ------------------------------ Brian Whetten solicited people interested in working on TRACK to help. The most important open issues seem to be: tree building and scalability of server-based support (e.g. in the middle of the network). Other issues belong to building blocks (e.g. congestion control and security). The presentation was based on the assumption that most of the protocol functionalities were provided by the protocol instantiation an not by building blocks. These included ACK and NACK machinery, tree building/maintenance and session management. In the following discussion it was raised the issue on why these cannot be provided by building blocks (the same used for the NACK protocol). It seem that efforts should be made to use building blocks as far as possible. + Open Loop Protocol -------------------- The presentation was opened with the issue of agreeing on a new name for this class of protocol. Mike Luby proposed ALC (Asynchronous Layered Coding). Two main open issues were raised for this class of protocol: specification of the session parameters (mainly FEC encoding) and congestion control. As for the former, a possible approach is using out-of-band information that apply to the session (need in-band session identification, common with the other classes). The congestion control issue will be approached along the line of RLC (layered CC by Vicisano, Rizzo, Crowcroft) after addressing the issues that are left open in this proposal. + Security Requirement ---------------------- This point needs to be addressed in a more coordinated way at the next meeting (or at the pre-IETF meeting). In particular it should be made a clear distinction between the two issues: a) Security requirement for RM protocols b) Security building blocks Where the first is a pre-requisite for RM protocols, aimed at protecting the network from malicious attack through security holes opened by the presence of RM protocols. The second is a optional component of RM protocols that provide additional service to the application (Data protection, authentication ...). >From the meeting discussion it seems that addressing a) with the available security techniques can pose unacceptable scalability limitation on RM protocols. Alternatively this issues could be addressed in the context of congestion control (e.g. by making sure that all the multicast traffic is accounted in the share assigned to the session by its congestion control component). + Next Meeting -------------- It is likely that an interim meeting will be held in mid-Februrary on the west-coast of the USA. One possible date would be February 10th immediately after the IP Multicast Summit. --==_Exmh_-5897494130-- From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Fri Dec 10 21:37:33 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07350 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09104; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09100 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28019 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:05:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from kickme.cisco.com (kickme.cisco.com [198.92.30.42]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28006 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:05:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [171.69.65.54]) by kickme.cisco.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA11689; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id SAA12758; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:04:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912110204.SAA12758@kouvelas-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: kouvelas-u10.cisco.com: lorenzo owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mike Luby cc: "'rmt@lbl.gov'" Subject: Re: Draft meeting minutes In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:34 PST." <619F2FB3840CD311AC2C0090273BF1AC151F43@pacific.intranet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:04:40 -0800 From: Lorenzo Vicisano Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk Mike, > Please change all references to "open loop" in this document and subsequent > documents to "ALC", which stands for "Asynchronous Layered Coding". Too late: I've already sent the minutes. Will do next time. Please note however the we mentioned ALC in the notes. cheers, Lorenzo From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Fri Dec 10 21:37:37 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA07361 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 21:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09066; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:55:29 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09062 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26623 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pacific.intranet (226.webfountain.com [208.48.102.226]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26619 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by pacific.intranet with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:39 -0800 Message-ID: <619F2FB3840CD311AC2C0090273BF1AC151F43@pacific.intranet> From: Mike Luby To: "'Lorenzo Vicisano'" , "'rmt@lbl.gov'" Subject: RE: Draft meeting minutes Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:54:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk Lorenzo and All, Please change all references to "open loop" in this document and subsequent documents to "ALC", which stands for "Asynchronous Layered Coding". Thanks, Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-rmt@lbl.gov [mailto:owner-rmt@lbl.gov]On Behalf Of Lorenzo Vicisano Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:06 PM To: rmt@lbl.gov Subject: Draft meeting minutes Hi, Please find enclosed the draft version of the Washington IETF meeting minutes. If you have comments please let us know by tomorrow Dec 10th 3pm PST. Apologize for the short notice. Cheers, The WG Chairs Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_-5897494130" This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_-5897494130 --==_Exmh_-5897494130 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="rmt2-minutes"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: rmt2-minutes Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rmt2-minutes" Thursday, November 11 at 1300-1500 =================================== CHAIRS: Allison Mankin Roger Kermode Lorenzo Vicisano Notes taken by Sally Floyd and Alliso Mankin. Minutes reported by the WG chairs. Meeting Agenda ============== Agenda Bashing: Roger Kermode BB & DS Drafts Update: Roger Kermode Guidelines Draft (NEW): Allison Mankin Congestion Control Update: Mark Handley Generic Router Assist: Tony Speakman Protocol 1 - NACK: Joe Macker Protocol 2 - TRACK: Brian Whetten Protocol 3 - Open Loop: Mike Luby Security Requirements: Thomas Hardjono Recharter/Discussion/Next Steps: Roger Kermode General Remarks ================ - Volunteers to work on any/all drafts are sought. The WG chairs are compiling a list of people interested that will be circulated in the WG mailing list. - As a result of the WG meeting discussion, a revision to the list of building block is needed (probably need extension). This issue will be discussed in a meeting to be held in between this and next IETF. Meeting Minutes =============== The content of the viewgraphs presented is not fully reported in this notes. Please refer to the presentation material for this. + Guidelines Draft ------------------ This draft is being put together by the Working Group co-chairs. Besides the issues established initially, this draft should also discuss requirement/applicability statement for Protocol Instantiation. Protocol instantiation drafts should explicitly state how the protocol being specified meets the guidelines requirements. + Congestion Control Update --------------------------- No viewgraphs available. The IRTF RMRG has a good handle on equation-based congestion control for unicast. The multicast variant has not been developed as far as expected. A guess on time-scales are that a draft on sender-based multicast congestion control will be moved from RMRG to RMT in about six months. The above applies to sender-based congestion control with single data rate. Sender-based and receiver-based congestion control will be covered in separate drafts. + Generic Router Assist ------------------------ This constitutes one of the building blocks. The architectural design draft is available: draft-ieft-rmt-gra-arch-00.txt . The router task is to assist in functions that can also be accomplished without their presence (albeit less efficiently). It is lightweighted and it is not active networking. Open issues are: mechanism for splicing GRA signals into transport protocols (cannot go in network layer but should be transport-independent). The authors of the draft solicit input from protocol designers to select the "support functions" implemented in routers. Operators that manipulate packets will be limited in number (~ 10) and not combinable. + Building Blocks for NACK-Only RM (NORM) ----------------------------------------- This presentation is intended to stimulate a discussion on building blocks for NACK-bases protocols by presenting a prototyped instantiation of NACK-based protocol (MDP). Assumption: - do not assume GRA, but be able to use it, if it is present. - support loosely controlled groups - Request for retransmission (NACK) should be based on the type/content of the transfer. (e.g. discrete objects vs. continuous stream). - NACK suppression and other needed functionalities should not make assumptions on the underling multicast network service. These should be able to work in presence of asymmetry introduced by the current variety of routing protocol (source-based tree, shred tree, bidirectional tree, single source model). They should also work without multicast back-channel. >From the discussion after the presentation it appears that there are more 'small' building blocks that can be extracted from the NACK protocol instantiation than the ones initially foreseen (e.g. source/session identification). + TRACK protocol instantiation ------------------------------ Brian Whetten solicited people interested in working on TRACK to help. The most important open issues seem to be: tree building and scalability of server-based support (e.g. in the middle of the network). Other issues belong to building blocks (e.g. congestion control and security). The presentation was based on the assumption that most of the protocol functionalities were provided by the protocol instantiation an not by building blocks. These included ACK and NACK machinery, tree building/maintenance and session management. In the following discussion it was raised the issue on why these cannot be provided by building blocks (the same used for the NACK protocol). It seem that efforts should be made to use building blocks as far as possible. + Open Loop Protocol -------------------- The presentation was opened with the issue of agreeing on a new name for this class of protocol. Mike Luby proposed ALC (Asynchronous Layered Coding). Two main open issues were raised for this class of protocol: specification of the session parameters (mainly FEC encoding) and congestion control. As for the former, a possible approach is using out-of-band information that apply to the session (need in-band session identification, common with the other classes). The congestion control issue will be approached along the line of RLC (layered CC by Vicisano, Rizzo, Crowcroft) after addressing the issues that are left open in this proposal. + Security Requirement ---------------------- This point needs to be addressed in a more coordinated way at the next meeting (or at the pre-IETF meeting). In particular it should be made a clear distinction between the two issues: a) Security requirement for RM protocols b) Security building blocks Where the first is a pre-requisite for RM protocols, aimed at protecting the network from malicious attack through security holes opened by the presence of RM protocols. The second is a optional component of RM protocols that provide additional service to the application (Data protection, authentication ...). >From the meeting discussion it seems that addressing a) with the available security techniques can pose unacceptable scalability limitation on RM protocols. Alternatively this issues could be addressed in the context of congestion control (e.g. by making sure that all the multicast traffic is accounted in the share assigned to the session by its congestion control component). + Next Meeting -------------- It is likely that an interim meeting will be held in mid-Februrary on the west-coast of the USA. One possible date would be February 10th immediately after the IP Multicast Summit. --==_Exmh_-5897494130-- From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Fri Dec 10 23:57:06 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA10573 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09435; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:16:19 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09431 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07978 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtualworkshop.com (IDENT:root@dino.virtualworkshop.com [208.14.33.1]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07975 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from virtualworkshop.com (barney.virtualworkshop.com [208.14.33.4]) by virtualworkshop.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA12521; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:16:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3851D005.9B750D41@virtualworkshop.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:16:05 -0500 From: "Michael D. Myjak" Reply-To: mmyjak@virtualworkshop.com Organization: The Virtual Workshop, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lorenzo Vicisano CC: RMT Subject: Re: Draft meeting minutes References: <199912110204.SAA12758@kouvelas-u10.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lorenzo Vicisano wrote: > Mike, > > > Please change all references to "open loop" in this document and subsequent > > documents to "ALC", which stands for "Asynchronous Layered Coding". > > Too late: I've already sent the minutes. Will do next time. > Please note however the we mentioned ALC in the notes. > > cheers, > Lorenzo Lorenzo, Its not uncommon to circulate the minutes, make a correction or two, and recirculate a final draft. -- All the best - _ ___|0|_|___ Michael D. Myjak, Vice President R&D and CTO | N & W | The Virtual Workshop, Inc. = oo---oo = P.O. Box 98 Titusville Fl 32781 email: voice&fax: 407.264.0440 From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Sat Dec 11 00:29:51 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA10757 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09504; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:50:45 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09500 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09547 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from daffy.ee.lbl.gov (daffy.ee.lbl.gov [131.243.1.31]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09544 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from vern@localhost) by daffy.ee.lbl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) id UAA06351; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:50:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912110450.UAA06351@daffy.ee.lbl.gov> To: mmyjak@virtualworkshop.com Cc: Lorenzo Vicisano , RMT Subject: Re: Draft meeting minutes In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:16:05 PST. Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 20:50:39 PST From: Vern Paxson Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk > Its not uncommon to circulate the minutes, make a correction or two, and > recirculate a final draft. I have a hard time seeing changing minutes that discuss a proposal to change the term "Open Loop" to "ALC", so that they don't mention the term "Open Loop" and just use "ALC". I think the minutes should stand as they are. In addition, the meeting summary that the chairs sent to the area directors said of the proposed name change that there "was little time for discussion of this suggestion". So I think the name change should first be open for discussion on the mailing list (personally, I think it's a good idea). Vern From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Sat Dec 11 22:04:21 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA01924 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11597; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11593 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04902 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from kickme.cisco.com (kickme.cisco.com [198.92.30.42]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04892 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (kouvelas-u10.cisco.com [171.69.65.54]) by kickme.cisco.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10543; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by kouvelas-u10.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/CISCO.WS.1.2) with ESMTP id SAA14121; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:21:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912120221.SAA14121@kouvelas-u10.cisco.com> X-Authentication-Warning: kouvelas-u10.cisco.com: lorenzo owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mmyjak@virtualworkshop.com cc: RMT Subject: Re: Draft meeting minutes In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Dec 1999 23:16:05 EST." <3851D005.9B750D41@virtualworkshop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 18:21:39 -0800 From: Lorenzo Vicisano Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk > Its not uncommon to circulate the minutes, make a correction or two, and > recirculate a final draft. Michael, Mike's request arrived after the deadline we had set, that was dictated by the IETF deadline. We do apologize, however, for having sent out the minutes only one day in advance. cheers, Lorenzo From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Fri Dec 17 01:22:29 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA19651 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14385; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:30:17 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14381 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11441 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11438 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (MOT-motgate2 1.0) with ESMTP id WAA21197 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:30:13 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from homer.arc.corp.mot.com ([217.1.10.38]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id WAA19310 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:30:11 -0700 (MST)] Received: from arc.corp.mot.com (t-il06-y-port8.corp.mot.com [129.188.170.138]) by homer.arc.corp.mot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23178 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:28:30 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <3859CBA1.7F682961@arc.corp.mot.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:35:29 +1100 From: Roger Kermode Reply-To: Roger.Kermode@motorola.com Organization: Motorola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmt-list Subject: RMT Team Formation, draft editor election... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------00253F7E6647C5CCE17686FA" Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------00253F7E6647C5CCE17686FA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear RMTers, I've done my best to add names and email addresses to the list of actively interested people for each of the RMT drafts that have currently been scheduled. I'd like each you involved in a teams to contact the other members of your team and to elect a document editor for that team. This person will be responsible for merging the inputs of other team members and ensuring the timely progress of the draft. Given that the holidays are nearly upon us it would be nice to have this sorted out in the next week or so, cheers, Roger Guidelines Draft ---------------- Roger Kermode Allison Mankin Lorenzo Vicisano Building Blocks teams --------------------- ## Congestion Control (with RMRG) Sally Flloyd Mark Handley Shivkumar Kalyanaraman Injong Rhee ## Generic Router Assist Brad Cain Tony Speakman, Don Towsley ## NACK Brian Adamson Joe Macker Carsten Borman ## Asynchronous Layered Coding Jon Crowcroft Jim Gemmel Mike Luby Luigi Rizzo Lorenzo Vicisano Bruce Lueckenhoff Vincent ROCA ## Tree Building (with RMRG) Dah Ming Chu Roger Kermode Brian Levine Dave Thaler Brian Whetten Transport Protection ?? Protocol Instantiaions ---------------------- ## NACK Brian Adamson Joe Macker Richard Edmonstone ## TRACK Brian Whetten Dah Ming Chiu ## Asynchronous Layered Coding Jon Crowcroft Jim Gemmel Mike Luby Luigi Rizzo Lorenzo Vicisano Bruce Lueckenhoff --------------00253F7E6647C5CCE17686FA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="rkermode.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Roger Kermode Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rkermode.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Kermode;Roger tel;fax:+61-2-9666-0501 tel;home:+61-2-9664-8335 tel;work:+61-2-9666-0558 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.mot.com.au org:Motorola Australian Research Centre;Scalable Commodity Internet Lab version:2.1 email;internet:Roger.Kermode@motorola.com title:Principal Research Engineer SNAIL MAIL: Locked Bag 5028, Botany NSW, 1455=0D=0A;Botany;NSW;2019;Australia adr;quoted-printable:;;PHYSICAL: Level 3, 12 Lord St., Botany, NSW=0D=0A= x-mozilla-cpt:;-1 fn:Roger Kermode end:vcard --------------00253F7E6647C5CCE17686FA-- From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Fri Dec 17 14:42:48 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA10622 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16603; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:52 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16599 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25002 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from phobos.talarian.com (mailhost.talarian.com [207.5.32.17]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24995 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from tahoe ([10.3.9.20]) by phobos.talarian.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA18239; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19991217110709.01f59df0@mailhost.talarian.com> X-Sender: bwhetten@mailhost.talarian.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:07:32 -0800 To: Roger.Kermode@motorola.com, rmt-list From: Brian Whetten Subject: Re: RMT Team Formation, draft editor election... In-Reply-To: <3859CBA1.7F682961@arc.corp.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk Roger, I would also like to continue contributing to the TFMCC (congestion control) work. Brian At 04:35 PM 12/17/1999 +1100, Roger Kermode wrote: >Dear RMTers, > >I've done my best to add names and email addresses to the list >of actively interested people for each of the RMT drafts that >have currently been scheduled. I'd like each you involved in a >teams to contact the other members of your team and to elect >a document editor for that team. This person will be responsible >for merging the inputs of other team members and ensuring the >timely progress of the draft. > >Given that the holidays are nearly upon us it would be nice to >have this sorted out in the next week or so, > >cheers, > >Roger > > >Guidelines Draft >---------------- >Roger Kermode >Allison Mankin >Lorenzo Vicisano > >Building Blocks teams >--------------------- > >## Congestion Control (with RMRG) >Sally Flloyd >Mark Handley >Shivkumar Kalyanaraman >Injong Rhee > >## Generic Router Assist >Brad Cain >Tony Speakman, >Don Towsley > >## NACK >Brian Adamson >Joe Macker >Carsten Borman > >## Asynchronous Layered Coding >Jon Crowcroft >Jim Gemmel >Mike Luby >Luigi Rizzo >Lorenzo Vicisano >Bruce Lueckenhoff >Vincent ROCA > >## Tree Building (with RMRG) >Dah Ming Chu >Roger Kermode >Brian Levine >Dave Thaler >Brian Whetten > >Transport Protection >?? > >Protocol Instantiaions >---------------------- >## NACK >Brian Adamson >Joe Macker >Richard Edmonstone > >## TRACK >Brian Whetten >Dah Ming Chiu > >## Asynchronous Layered Coding >Jon Crowcroft >Jim Gemmel >Mike Luby >Luigi Rizzo >Lorenzo Vicisano >Bruce Lueckenhoff From owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov Tue Dec 21 09:13:26 1999 Received: from listserv.lbl.gov (listserv.lbl.gov [128.3.7.140]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22096 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 09:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by listserv.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA28239; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:24:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: listserv.lbl.gov: majordom set sender to owner-rmt@listserv.lbl.gov using -f Received: from postal1.lbl.gov (postal1.lbl.gov [128.3.7.82]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA28235 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from SpamWall.lbl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postal1.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24454 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by SpamWall.lbl.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24451 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 04:24:53 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [136.182.15.8]) by motgate2.mot.com (MOT-motgate2 1.0) with ESMTP id FAA00029 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 05:24:52 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from homer.arc.corp.mot.com ([217.1.10.38]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id FAA19643 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 05:24:51 -0700 (MST)] Received: from arc.corp.mot.com ([217.1.71.213]) by homer.arc.corp.mot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29215 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:22:47 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <385F72CC.8D514497@arc.corp.mot.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:30:04 +1100 From: Roger Kermode Reply-To: Roger.Kermode@motorola.com Organization: Motorola X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rmt-list Subject: Interim RMT Meeting Feb 10th at ACIRI (Berkeley) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------433F66D633774ED0FB7B2AB6" Sender: owner-rmt@lbl.gov Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------433F66D633774ED0FB7B2AB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There will be an interim meeting of the IETF RMT WG on February 10th, 2000 at ACIRI near U.C. Berkeley. Mark Handley has kindly arranged for a room that can hold 40 people. At this stage we'd like to gauge attendance numbers to determine if we need to find a larger venue. If you plan to attend please RSVP ASAP. cheers, Roger Kermode Allison Mankin Lorenzo Vicisano --------------433F66D633774ED0FB7B2AB6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="rkermode.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Roger Kermode Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rkermode.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Kermode;Roger tel;fax:+61-2-9666-0501 tel;home:+61-2-9664-8335 tel;work:+61-2-9666-0558 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:www.mot.com.au org:Motorola Australian Research Centre;Scalable Commodity Internet Lab version:2.1 email;internet:Roger.Kermode@motorola.com title:Principal Research Engineer SNAIL MAIL: Locked Bag 5028, Botany NSW, 1455=0D=0A;Botany;NSW;2019;Australia adr;quoted-printable:;;PHYSICAL: Level 3, 12 Lord St., Botany, NSW=0D=0A= x-mozilla-cpt:;-1 fn:Roger Kermode end:vcard --------------433F66D633774ED0FB7B2AB6--