From nobody Tue Nov 6 03:42:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4CA12F1AC for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:42:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fUrGwXIeO8Ao for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93FC812D4F1 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from vanmetedneysmbp.fletsphone (218.148.13.160.dy.iij4u.or.jp [160.13.148.218]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 254D42D8014; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:42:44 +0900 (JST) From: Rodney Van Meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8F3E134D-3BFE-4C8D-BBDB-2647826ABAA8" Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:42:42 +0900 Message-Id: <5A20F4BB-A06F-40B4-A33B-73311DACD25C@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Cc: Rodney Van Meter To: qirg@irtf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [Qirg] meeting & background reading reminder X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:42:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8F3E134D-3BFE-4C8D-BBDB-2647826ABAA8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 See you on Thursday in Bangkok! Meeting 1, 11:20-12:20. Reminder on background reading: These are the slides I presented = (remotely) in March: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-irtfopen-van= -meter-and-wehner-vision-for-a-quantum-internet-research-group-02 = I am still new at running an RG/WG, so bear with my missteps, and please = correct/cajole/cooperate (hopefully not coerce or coopt) as necessary; I = take politely worded feedback fairly well. I=E2=80=99m dinking with both the finalized agenda and a draft charter = now, so stay tuned=E2=80=A6 =E2=80=94Rod= --Apple-Mail=_8F3E134D-3BFE-4C8D-BBDB-2647826ABAA8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 See you on Thursday in Bangkok!  Meeting 1, = 11:20-12:20.

Reminder = on background reading:  These are the slides I presented (remotely) = in March:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-i= rtfopen-van-meter-and-wehner-vision-for-a-quantum-internet-research-group-= 02

I am = still new at running an RG/WG, so bear with my missteps, and please = correct/cajole/cooperate (hopefully not coerce or coopt) as necessary; I = take politely worded feedback fairly well.

I=E2=80=99m dinking with both the = finalized agenda and a draft charter now, so stay tuned=E2=80=A6

= =E2=80=94Rod
= --Apple-Mail=_8F3E134D-3BFE-4C8D-BBDB-2647826ABAA8-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 03:55:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A8412D4F1 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MQB0gRzNcuMY for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87599127B92 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 03:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from vanmetedneysmbp.fletsphone (218.148.13.160.dy.iij4u.or.jp [160.13.148.218]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C24C2D8012; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:55:38 +0900 (JST) From: Rodney Van Meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:55:37 +0900 Message-Id: Cc: Rodney Van Meter , Mat Ford , Allison Mankin , Stephanie Wehner - EWI To: qirg@irtf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [Qirg] Agenda for Thursday QIRG X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:55:43 -0000 IRTF QIRG proposed working group meeting IETF 103 - Bangkok, Thailand 11:20 local time, Thursday November 8th Meeting 1 Temporary Co-chairs: Stephanie Wehner, Rodney Van Meter Hi folks, As you know, we meet F2F for the first time on Thursday, in Bangkok! 11:20-12:20 in Meeting Room 1. ...and apparently I am the very last person in all of IETF/IRTF to get a full agenda and meeting materials in place. I owe all of you (and Mat and Allison) an apology for that. I am still learning the ropes on how to behave as a proper IRTF chair, even if only temporary. Agenda ===== - Admin, Chairs, 5 min. - Six stages of evolution of a quantum network, 15 min. Axel Dahlberg - draft-kaws-qirg-advent-00, 15 min. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaws-qirg-advent-00 Axel Dahlberg - Draft charter, 15 min. Rod Van Meter - Any other business / Open Mic. 10 min. From nobody Tue Nov 6 04:52:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02B8130DEE for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:52:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P3AIDYlH6hYM for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 881BD12958B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:52:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from vanmetedneysmbp.fletsphone (218.148.13.160.dy.iij4u.or.jp [160.13.148.218]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24E372D8065; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:52:53 +0900 (JST) From: Rodney Van Meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:52:52 +0900 Message-Id: <5D82C7B5-9C25-4D80-AF26-A7D579B3EEAB@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Cc: Rodney Van Meter , Allison Mankin , Mat Ford To: qirg@irtf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [Qirg] very drafty charter X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:52:58 -0000 Here is a discussion version for Thursday. Charter A Quantum Internet, if developed and deployed, will bring new communication and remote computation capabilities, as well as improving the accuracy of physical sensor systems (e.g., for interferometry for long-baseline telescopes). One key area will be cryptographic functions including quantum key distribution and quantum byzantine agreement. Work toward a Quantum Internet is well underway in physics laboratories and in theory groups. The next step is network engineering. Some of the problems that need to be addressed include: * routing: there are a number of proposals, including a couple in the last six months or so, and which routing schemes are appropriate for which circumstances needs to be assessed * resource allocation: some of the routing proposals seem to be including a notion of the dynamic traffic on the network, but this distinction needs to be defined clearly * connection establishment: what does a request look like (semantics more than syntax) as it propagates across the network? * interoperability: given than different networks are currently being designed and built, how do we ensure a long-lived internetwork develops? * security: are quantum repeater networks inherently more or less vulnerable in operations than classical networks? * design of an API that will serve the role that sockets play in classical networks There are also other problems: * applications for a Quantum Internet: by far the most important on the agenda for the community (not necessarily a QIRG work item) is figuring out what we would *do* with a Quantum Internet, including what data rates and fidelities are required (otherwise, there is no market for a QI) * multi-party states and multi-party transfers such as network coding: rather than simple, independent point-to-point transfers, how can we create and use more complex states? Outputs and Milestones Two concrete work items that QIRG may produce: * An architectural framework delineating network node roles and definitions, to build a common vocabulary and serve as the first step toward a quantum network architecture. * Wehner, Elkhouss and Hanson have created a roadmap of technical capability milestones for quantum networks. Mapping these milestones to concrete use cases will help to determine the order and timing of classical protocols that will be needed. Additionally, QIRG may serve as technical consultants to cryptography groups within IETF and IRTF on the capabilities and timing for both quantum computation and quantum networking, to provide guidance on development and deployment of IETF protocols. Finally, QIRG will serve as a coordination point with other standards organizations that are working on standardization of quantum networks. Process QIRG will hold 2-3 meetings per year, typically one at IETF, one at a related conference, and one online. Membership Policy Open. From nobody Wed Nov 7 23:35:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB486126CB6 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:35:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VmQGAQU40dJM for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F23CF127332 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2018 23:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com with SMTP id y14so4048126vky.9 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 23:35:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oa6IQKxoapNpOOvDTvtGnwuVqnWwTgns3sifWzPe+q8=; b=CX5ZY5ilVqNAZ+WXu8ErdyJRJntHIlSJPZPGJUstf7VifHNEwA+dOS8x6nOJm6aApC UDN/H1nh/Uq+cFeNxwT1IKQJDrII1FgUgpodGGKGmYnsQzoEJqy39zD0IF3Sef0cCvm1 cEMiSiWd0ss1XvWHzP9BErKnA1ND3WyLy4PfPlK/7Rq6bCYZ1jIf8QmWJSOoh1WXDZst 1psABiTLe2pdJcyyRuVYdLVLpkW3K5dqZzBkXyUsB4fMfZizyE+BOEapoiMVsMRaP2OC gX4ULhdyS41MrQZbDAvoJBWcvPj+VnbodssvMpXzZHXBn1+752My1ij7ElC5yfyzFupm jK3Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=oa6IQKxoapNpOOvDTvtGnwuVqnWwTgns3sifWzPe+q8=; b=aq2vN3EnKlRFHJXfgER+LO2hs0X8qMWoPQgvsv3zICzKiks4TfBw8+533se858Ieye 1vYerdldSkwLhAwiSZjN4iutnqsQNG4VP9WYpfkKga2P53gS4t+nPynimzGozcM+f5bQ TNVZBbG/G0OPnKxU0od6MR2oDFYKeO0zRZgz4Lo/DtrVxv4f+HRwm1gbphrVJFYfnM0e mkHuuWX32ROWveYLsSSKHVF7Q6saFduw2iwua45SIuy+MqDkycJ0alTeFzFwCc+bsrNB swxUPcznfrj5StDugpShnxc8PEml9g2KAos7aPbUNNNhl8R8BAAYFgg69XG3lwhnf7sV liVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJvGsG3q/2kp4HBAg79NrzURWmNCwO1XayTVWopf3LEu5DhOvCU MVKPH4fYJQPCnKMkk9GjQ/tvRzNNE5sUcFyyHwAQLL6t X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5coZTA0A1IFYRQen5nWPpr2Mj0nfVeqC6BkGTO4MU4R/625dYGOtl/Ssw6PAHIdU/yqZjsySNI9Sx3ItpTDerI= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:17cd:: with SMTP id 196mr1553976vkx.39.1541662528630; Wed, 07 Nov 2018 23:35:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Abhijan Bhattacharyya Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 13:05:17 +0530 Message-ID: To: qirg@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000061f596057a224713" Archived-At: Subject: [Qirg] Requesting updates in today's meeting X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 07:35:32 -0000 --00000000000061f596057a224713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Qirg list, Would it be possible to provide a quick update on the meeting that was scheduled today please? I was keen to attend this but just could not manage to time share with some other engagement. But I am interested to know the outcome. Thanks , Abhijan -- Regards, Abhijan Bhattacharyya, *Scientist @ TCS Research, India* --00000000000061f596057a224713 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Qirg list,
Would it be possible to provide a quic= k update on the meeting that was scheduled today please? I was keen to atte= nd this but just could not manage to time share with some other engagement.= But I am interested to know the outcome.
Thanks ,
Abhijan
--
= Regards,
Abhijan Bhattacharyya,
Scientist @ TCS Research, India<= /span>
--00000000000061f596057a224713-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 03:37:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80764130E6C for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 03:37:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_HK_NAME_DR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMC8qrO1uVvZ for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 03:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.katezarealty.com (mail.katezarealty.com [104.168.158.213]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652B7123FFD for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 03:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mail.katezarealty.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119473741017 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 11:37:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at katezarealty.com Received: from mail.katezarealty.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.katezarealty.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id zT9zvbtOdaVS for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-9fa4.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9fa4.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.159.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.katezarealty.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 073ED37407F3 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:36:53 -0500 (EST) To: qirg@irtf.org References: From: "Dr. Pala" Organization: OpenCA Labs Message-ID: <565dbaf2-f8bc-6814-0a8d-fc5dad23fb18@openca.org> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 06:36:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------387DBB84FB4AB87E47560B94" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] Requesting updates in today's meeting X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2018 11:37:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------387DBB84FB4AB87E47560B94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, these are my (very rough) notes (please note that I missed most of the=20 first presentation) - no guarantees of correctness, accuracy, spelling,=20 etc. (Max's Raw Notes - written but not read). Here we go: Six stages of evolution of a quantum network (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-qirg-quant= um-internet-00) - It is possible today to transfer q-bits that can be transferred and rea= d across two nodes even when they are not connected directly - It is possible to transfer entanglements too in the same way - It is possible to store entanglements in quantum memory - they are inhe= rently noisy, therefore you might need some protection bits Advertising Entanglement Capabilities (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaws-qirg-advent-00) (https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-qirg-adver= tising-entanglement-capabilities-draft-kaws-qirg-advent-00-00) Presentation: - What does =E2=80=9Cgood=E2=80=9D entanglement means - Fidelity is the measurement (coherence). There is a notion of maxi= mum entanglement in quantum mechanics - if you have max entanglements and= measure the q-bits, you always get the same correlation when reading q-b= its (i.e., you get the expected value) - We envision quantum nodes and classical nodes to be a mirror of each ot= her (a node implements the quantum and the classical nodes) - Now we want entanglement between two non-directly connected nodes - There might be capabilities of the links that might influence the path = to take - What is the topology (possible path) - Capabilities of the nodes (how many q-bits are available, how many= can be stored in memory) - How fast I can generate entanglements - How noisy would be the entanglements - The proposal is to add TLVs to the link-state protocol to carry those c= haracteristics - Link-state vs. Shortes Path. A proposal is to use paths at a certa= in fidelity level - Lessons to be learned from the QuTech experiments of 2-hop entanglement= s Discussion: - Is there real value for quantum networking with existing computers - The Quantum Key Distribution is an application of it - You can check the article in Science - The proposal is similar to use a classical communication for the contro= l plan (i.e., to synchronize the nodes) and advertise the capability of e= ach link. This is used to setup the entanglement in such a way that it wi= ll work on the quantum network - An interesting aspect could be if we could increase the number of bits = carried per single photon, this would allow us to improve the capacity an= d speed of our optical networks - (draft author) The intention is to distribute information and entanglem= ents are needed. Ideally you would not need the classical network support= , but at this point we still need it for the =E2=80=9Ccontrol plane=E2=80= =9D - In Prague there is going to be a 1/2 day tutorial about Quantum Cheers, Max On 11/8/18 2:35 AM, Abhijan Bhattacharyya wrote: > Dear Qirg list, > Would it be possible to provide a quick update on the meeting that was = > scheduled today please? I was keen to attend this but just could not=20 > manage to time share with some other engagement. But I am interested=20 > to know the outcome. > Thanks , > Abhijan > --=20 > Regards, > Abhijan Bhattacharyya, > /Scientist @ TCS Research, India/ > > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg --=20 Best Regards, Massimiliano Pala, Ph.D. OpenCA Labs Director OpenCA Logo --------------387DBB84FB4AB87E47560B94 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------364A629F7FF84B8F5E24C650" --------------364A629F7FF84B8F5E24C650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hello,

these are my (very rough) notes (please note that I missed most of the first presentation) - no guarantees of correctness, accuracy, spelling, etc. (Max's Raw Notes - written but not read). Here we go:

Six stages of evolution of a quantum network
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-qirg-quantum-internet-00)
- It is possible today to transfer q-bits that can be transferred and read across two nodes even when they are not connected directly
- It is possible to transfer entanglements too in the same way
- It is possible to store entanglements in quantum memory - they are inherently noisy, therefore you might need some protection bits

Advertising Entanglement Capabilities
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaws-qirg-advent-00)
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-qirg-advertising-entanglement-capabilities-draft-kaws-qirg-advent-00-00)

Presentation:
- What does “good” entanglement means
    - Fidelity is the measurement (coherence). There is a notion of maximum entanglement in quantum mechanics - if you have max entanglements and measure the q-bits, you always get the same correlation when reading q-bits (i.e., you get the expected value)
- We envision quantum nodes and classical nodes to be a mirror of each other (a node implements the quantum and the classical nodes)
- Now we want entanglement between two non-directly connected nodes
- There might be capabilities of the links that might influence the path to take
    - What is the topology (possible path)
    - Capabilities of the nodes (how many q-bits are available, how many can be stored in memory)
    - How fast I can generate entanglements
    - How noisy would be the entanglements
- The proposal is to add TLVs to the link-state protocol to carry those characteristics
    - Link-state vs. Shortes Path. A proposal is to use paths at a certain fidelity level
- Lessons to be learned from the QuTech experiments of 2-hop entanglements

Discussion:
- Is there real value for quantum networking with existing computers
    - The Quantum Key Distribution is an application of it
    - You can check the article in Science
- The proposal is similar to use a classical communication for the control plan (i.e., to synchronize the nodes) and advertise the capability of each link. This is used to setup the entanglement in such a way that it will work on the quantum network
- An interesting aspect could be if we could increase the number of bits carried per single photon, this would allow us to improve the capacity and speed of our optical networks
- (draft author) The intention is to distribute information and entanglements are needed. Ideally you would not need the classical network support, but at this point we still need it for the “control plane”
- In Prague there is going to be a 1/2 day tutorial about Quantum

Cheers,
Max


On 11/8/18 2:35 AM, Abhijan Bhattacharyya wrote:
Dear Qirg list,
Would it be possible to provide a quick update on the meeting that was scheduled today please? I was keen to attend this but just could not manage to time share with some other engagement. But I am interested to know the outcome.
Thanks ,
Abhijan
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On 8 Nov 2018 2:35 pm, Abhijan Bhattacharyya <= ;abhijan.bhattacharyya@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Qirg list,
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Thanks ,
Abhijan
--
Re= gards,
Abhijan= Bhattacharyya,
Scie= ntist @ TCS Research, India
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Thanks Axel and Max for the updates. Appreciate your= quick response.
Regards,
Abh= ijan.

On Th= u, 8 Nov 2018, 22:04 Axel Dahlberg <E.A.Dahlberg@tudelft= .nl wrote:
Here's the recording of the meeting:


/Axel Dahlberg

On 8 Nov 2018 2:35 pm, Abhijan Bhattacharyya <= ;abhijan.bhattacharyya@gmail.com>= wrote:
Dear Qirg list,
Would it be possible to provide a quick update on the meeting that was= scheduled today please? I was keen to attend this but just could not manag= e to time share with some other engagement. But I am interested to know the= outcome.
Thanks ,
Abhijan
--
Re= gards,
Abhijan= Bhattacharyya,
Scie= ntist @ TCS Research, India
--000000000000495af9057a28ae14-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 19:04:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4571512D7F8 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:04:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A8qvodnVU4dW for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46CDA1277BB for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 19:04:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.201.172] (unknown [125.213.233.211]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5CBFC2785EE; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:04:34 +0900 (JST) From: Rodney Van Meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_51AB37BB-46CF-438E-A907-6C615E16944F" Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 10:04:26 +0700 Message-Id: Cc: Rodney Van Meter , Axel Dahlberg To: 103attendees@ietf.org, qirg@irtf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [Qirg] QIRG links X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 03:04:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_51AB37BB-46CF-438E-A907-6C615E16944F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Folks, apologies for the fairly broad spamming here=E2=80=A6 There were 115+ people in room during the QIRG (Quantum Internet = Research Group) kickoff meeting yesterday, and another six or eight = remote! Thanks for attending! I want to reach all of you, so I=E2=80=99m = taking the liberty on the attendees list. I=E2=80=99m certain that a = number of the people in the room are not on the QIRG mailing list, but I = would encourage everyone with any interest at all to get on the list. = Volume is low, so you won=E2=80=99t be swamped. Obviously, slides from yesterday are at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/session/qirg = and the mailing list is at https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = The most important link, and the main reason for writing: Axel mentioned = that Stephanie & co. published this as a roadmap in _Science_ just = recently. Here=E2=80=99s the link: http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6412/eaam9288 = Unfortunately, it=E2=80=99s paywalled, so those without a personal or = institutional account may have trouble=E2=80=A6Axel, do you know of any = open access copy of it, either complete or as a preprint? Other links of possible interest=E2=80=A6 My slides from the March = irtfopen are at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-irtfopen-van= -meter-and-wehner-vision-for-a-quantum-internet-research-group-02 = If you want a MOOC on quantum computing with minimal math (preparatory = for picking up a serious math-oriented quantum computing book), I=E2=80=99= ll immodestly suggest https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/ = which is still open for a few more weeks. I could swear that I wrote up a reading list primer and sent it to the = mailing list back in the spring, but I=E2=80=99m not seeing it. One ML = message with some links is https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/qirg/92Qk5ieHyFEsGNPEaRG6PLND1M4 = =E2=80=94Rod --Apple-Mail=_51AB37BB-46CF-438E-A907-6C615E16944F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Folks, apologies for the fairly broad spamming here=E2=80=A6
There were 115+ people = in room during the QIRG (Quantum Internet Research Group) kickoff = meeting yesterday, and another six or eight remote!  Thanks for = attending! I want to reach all of you, so I=E2=80=99m taking the liberty = on the attendees list. I=E2=80=99m certain that a number of the people = in the room are not on the QIRG mailing list, but I would encourage = everyone with any interest at all to get on the list.  Volume is = low, so you won=E2=80=99t be swamped.

Obviously, slides from yesterday are = at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/session/qirg
=
and the mailing list is at
https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg

The most important link, = and the main reason for writing: Axel mentioned that Stephanie & co. = published this as a roadmap in _Science_ just recently.  Here=E2=80=99= s the link:
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6412/eaam9288
Unfortunately, it=E2=80=99s paywalled, so those = without a personal or institutional account may have trouble=E2=80=A6Axel,= do you know of any open access copy of it, either complete or as a = preprint?

Other = links of possible interest=E2=80=A6 My slides from the March irtfopen = are at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-i= rtfopen-van-meter-and-wehner-vision-for-a-quantum-internet-research-group-= 02
If you want a MOOC on quantum computing with = minimal math (preparatory for picking up a serious math-oriented quantum = computing book), I=E2=80=99ll immodestly suggest
https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/=
which is still open for a few more = weeks.
I could swear that I wrote up a reading list = primer and sent it to the mailing list back in the spring, but I=E2=80=99m= not seeing it.  One ML message with some links is
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/qirg/92Qk5ieHyFEsGNPEaRG6= PLND1M4

= =E2=80=94Rod

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([2001:67c:1232:144:f56e:6f94:e9ae:746f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b5-v6sm4717760pfe.60.2018.11.08.19.41.02 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Nov 2018 19:41:03 -0800 (PST) To: qirg@irtf.org References: From: Leif Johansson Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=leifj@sunet.se; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsBNBFJK9qIBCACypED81H1N4YmhMJrb4uOtTDzo+lFZDVVOcK11+NhTFl+AZZFnWH/7UPn+ q5ZZBd/IhONfb5QGw5FzTyBWHsbAteXgCvHAIyumwhQzhZnow6myyC6/MwDhomT5rb3MkCKC yQMNfj/yMgL6ZRsXVhlGOLMmOekRfKe2wiC5BhRaQQwPZPwgFS5D0Tro8Xfxjk98u8rNpQXi 9walRAffRY+byhkPiBj0sVA2RXK9Dx2DL3EY0xx07r6Qhs2XkbXNDDCHRuChhHSHwWC16VS9 x7Nhfg2EwKqmMGRNREikjwzDl/aHKz+FXTLONdmc83sRyklqgH90f3na6s/RT5XTb08xABEB AAHNHUxlaWYgSm9oYW5zc29uIDxsZWlmakBtbnQuc2U+wsB+BBMBCAAoAhsDBgsJCAcDAgYV CAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAUCW7Yg8gUJDw7ExQAKCRDXOtZDCtR41io7CACOVmQcjoS7cfuF 43NhvpfFjSn91qShubrWx/p0+v/1MRyGajeMKcBd9HPDsN/lhMuY6k2zI1Qsrsycv51QQ+d0 +lPFxO3LKcrzaKqfKV3UZP3eVsMQgyP21iFIFAw424aAeBjWRhhnzlvsiP3RzF4NNb7goMWR PLWlld4M+MGqlM+T8M2Jbxl2OejedK5HCGm00IzXS7NojDGdIiXHbx0S0RloNb7ssQdFdHAH M6hO30lCwTM5jnNbejXhFUlMqYdRjWPUAbFwX3Pw9Wpkr5xz5xYbx8xPZBIG6ROp8ExxP31V NTm+DTnwJS5LLMbV1aDLYIzYlEossP2NFhLtwVDEzsBNBFJK9qIBCAC+k1tFOeDS4gMxEgRk fiVLHFemwJWQiGZHYhtDgjh6w6mB8G3WZ+/gD2CMp5DgHFRC1sW2iMj3gOzrfyxzd9AmWbhX YceR6EFkTc6OVsaIb+eHH/Zo3DKyB1Dq9CA5fjjnEQzti+KKSZYWzB0Fkt7qrfOS6YM1zMjE UxUUwsl1qirx5DuByWLDX7ULU7H/xmPVhHUVZO8XEaFV2m+ICx8Y6B98KMeJ0Qz8b8wp2g7v WEkwS2R6IjF0kMrRxnxUvwA6EUiZuFphhuY/lWCJusLl1olgOE+BKMEUStJWEi0s+pd8FL1v OLeNKbIUFro0+oZr9byABpkPNjMxKV36uj1dABEBAAHCwGUEGAEIAA8CGwwFAlu2H5wFCQ8O w3cACgkQ1zrWQwrUeNbSVAgAmRS6XxztiU9pczUwElOnolmnAIUocSXdfllZABxLX1MkZ4Yn 0jEbJKMpPOAMu7cQs4gni/AprnMae23taqJprwWCE6lTcOEhdPNKSFhdL4eE+UCd9Z9S/8PC M0GkjDF9FAWcrIBmySiHmZfAwKbHk3+AhDmY2PzN+mOzgU7t855+OtcoI02PDEXJGTCU9Mcl YtMNAlrmMmbMUApLSIoFluY35nlBVDFD3bDuCb59Nbs9aBJ9bu956G04XUcYt9sTsnkPppzX 82jyCc6Oeg9He8F1ep7AEoscflUKuwn9YF/sblqq27GO4d/BQPtaNw0iGz1H1C1QWKES4tk4 bZRWFA== Message-ID: <40a6ea67-167e-9a9d-117b-2ae436a91c8f@sunet.se> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 04:41:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] QIRG links X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 03:41:08 -0000 > https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/ > which is still open for a few more weeks. Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"? There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be based on the book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJfw6lDlTuA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GO3SL5n30k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRWBoossG0Y Cheers Leif From nobody Thu Nov 8 20:09:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C477A130FE8 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:09:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=sunet-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KmC5o3SEQNjj for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl1-x629.google.com (mail-pl1-x629.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::629]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B54B130EB0 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl1-x629.google.com with SMTP id w22-v6so335139plk.0 for ; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:09:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sunet-se.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=TT3w1DQbCf6nKC4y90Ivp9DtgObdK52Sm3QxAdPyrmk=; b=gx/mo9i2D30MSA5scO6IQOb6eNJQgDWdoSRBli6hLcMxYYOhNPlJigyVhXzxfvZlfT Jq6q7QOl3btz53N9CLTs1AkaWOL9NIhwUaeZQPJkYy1B2t4kopF30LPcS6jGPTI6JCvy pwr0RR2QDBVfUJofks7rjAXBoygjUsnHiplEKi405EltuhvlyNSX0tEINOCJPpYqDSsm Qn8he8NZlvTy9qyV7vECo2juuCtCnJU0ZSkKB7KGREYKTSYOHUznn+pkDDOOikQIRYSo ERyaocvD9l97LAB3oad76OIx0OIWo3rtUrd1ouNwVExkKtvaS9y0XuVhyI2nHgmkZHC+ YH8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=TT3w1DQbCf6nKC4y90Ivp9DtgObdK52Sm3QxAdPyrmk=; b=LsZ+cANXWU4Xr123d9RMeJBEHsTW7LnR2btKJLCKzxNxTwNnruXOFq6I7TmSLg3+fi maEflInChVvckvzAqIa5W5lib7vjg9DQ9ThMdTsWUBHSWgd8cAUy8CNNaLDFmF11SkNl bIt/hvL+KL6z1RQd9ILBh0uDPBKR5tSjceuRK8CavEHM5b1j2P403Vz/cCEcT/fWwYol hZlprPywqYY+KU/PyQJlzv0sjFAOFBA4xqH3kibb3gFADQ1F/wdH/Hlr6AAWR45J2e03 +64oW5YJSA7iINv12pf5KFpHGrJbg1YJxL5WAquK1hv/ZdbDKu3Ok9hC7haPp9Q+KNNk fYrA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gI45EL9n4cqF8LSkj1+dWvcLTkS/snZeDOtl0vVhUavqYmkh8bj OV6s4rU+yzCzKhuU8pkiq/j5kiICxqtAjg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fZdXg2WWCdxBRHSgr/vgvMMEeB3CrjpXmJPdfEks6ggo45Qb4yGXTPVTXPNwSdjHEtSWAXCg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b7cc:: with SMTP id v12-v6mr6986312plz.278.1541736562071; Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2001:67c:1232:144:715a:caf:7da8:7554? ([2001:67c:1232:144:715a:caf:7da8:7554]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x123-v6sm6454971pfb.124.2018.11.08.20.09.21 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Nov 2018 20:09:21 -0800 (PST) From: Leif Johansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:09:19 +0700 Message-Id: <038F1CA2-0B25-4976-9F05-A492330B8AA0@sunet.se> References: <40a6ea67-167e-9a9d-117b-2ae436a91c8f@sunet.se> In-Reply-To: <40a6ea67-167e-9a9d-117b-2ae436a91c8f@sunet.se> To: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16A404) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] QIRG links X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 04:09:30 -0000 Skickat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone > 9 nov. 2018 kl. 10:41 skrev Leif Johansson : >=20 >=20 >> https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/ >> which is still open for a few more weeks. >=20 > Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"? >=20 > There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be > based on the book: >=20 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJfw6lDlTuA > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-GO3SL5n30k > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtRWBoossG0Y >=20 > Cheers Leif >=20 Its actually a 10-part series - the first links will lead to the remaining p= arts >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Nov 8 20:40:56 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DE5130DBE for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:40:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KA7LKD798r_H for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49BCF12958B for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 20:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-8bad.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-8bad.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.139.173]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 07B46278610; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 13:40:47 +0900 (JST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Rodney Van Meter In-Reply-To: <038F1CA2-0B25-4976-9F05-A492330B8AA0@sunet.se> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:40:44 +0700 Cc: Rodney Van Meter , qirg@irtf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <40a6ea67-167e-9a9d-117b-2ae436a91c8f@sunet.se> <038F1CA2-0B25-4976-9F05-A492330B8AA0@sunet.se> To: Leif Johansson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] QIRG links X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 04:40:54 -0000 > On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Leif Johansson wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"? >>=20 >> There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be >> based on the book: >>=20 I actually am not familiar with either the book or the videos, but = Susskind is a great lecturer. Those are probably very good. However, = the specific set of learning you have to do to understand quantum = computing is rather different from a straight-up quantum mechanics = course. Scott Aaronson, Umesh Vazirani, Alan Aspuru-Guzik, and Ike = Chuang+Peter Shor all have quantum mechanics or quantum = computing-related MOOCs, as well. I think ours fits in pretty well as = both preparatory for, and less abstract than, those. =E2=80=94Rod From nobody Thu Nov 8 21:38:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B711276D0 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 21:38:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DIXFk2EZf-Tz for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 21:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD1EC124C04 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 21:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-8bad.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-8bad.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.139.173]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A552278672; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 14:38:45 +0900 (JST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_69D51EC5-0CD0-4873-8489-6DF24C3EF79B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Rodney Van Meter In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:38:42 +0700 Cc: Rodney Van Meter , E.A.Dahlberg@tudelft.nl, qirg@irtf.org Message-Id: <1AD15397-2A08-4271-BF6A-3536AD27542E@sfc.wide.ad.jp> References: To: Nathan Aw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] [103attendees] QIRG links X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 05:38:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_69D51EC5-0CD0-4873-8489-6DF24C3EF79B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Nathan Aw wrote: >=20 > Hi Rodney, I wish to let you know that what was presented was simply, = simply amazing. Great work there! Thanks. (And thanks to Axel, who did most of the presenting.) >=20 > I presented at the decentralized research group on decentralized = identity. = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-dinrg-decent= ralized-identity-01 = >=20 > I am extremely keen on exploring the use of quantum technologies in = this area. You mean, how to apply quantum networking to the (application layer) = problem of identity & authentication? Could be an interesting = application. >=20 > I have done some research in the past. (Check out my github=E2=80=A6) Link? >=20 > I wish to be part of this research group. Could you put me as a member = of this research group, please? There is nothing to do to become a member of the RG, except to join the = mailing list (link below). Open up a discussion thread on = identity+quantum, and let=E2=80=99s see what we get... >=20 > I wish to contribute. Thank you very much. >=20 > Please let me know? By all means, looking forward to your contribution! >=20 >=20 > and the mailing list is at > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = >=20 =E2=80=94Rod= --Apple-Mail=_69D51EC5-0CD0-4873-8489-6DF24C3EF79B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Nathan Aw <nathan.mk.aw@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Rodney, I wish to let you know that what = was presented was simply, simply amazing. Great work = there!

Thanks. =  (And thanks to Axel, who did most of the = presenting.)


I presented = at the decentralized research group on decentralized = identity. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-d= inrg-decentralized-identity-01

I am = extremely keen on exploring the use of quantum technologies in this = area.

You = mean, how to apply quantum networking to the (application layer) problem = of identity & authentication?  Could be an interesting = application.


I have done some research = in the past. (Check out my = github=E2=80=A6)

Link?


I wish to = be part of this research group. Could you put me as a member of this = research group, please?

There is nothing to do to become a member of the = RG, except to join the mailing list (link below).  Open up a = discussion thread on identity+quantum, and let=E2=80=99s see what we = get...


I wish to contribute. = Thank you very much.

Please let me = know?

By all = means, looking forward to your contribution!



and the mailing list is = at
https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg

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= --Apple-Mail=_69D51EC5-0CD0-4873-8489-6DF24C3EF79B-- From nobody Thu Nov 8 22:02:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E6E1292AD for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 22:02:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DoOs3cv3_MD6 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 22:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:200:0:8803:203:178:142:146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 603241276D0 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2018 22:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-8bad.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-8bad.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.139.173]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26AD42785EA; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 15:02:03 +0900 (JST) From: Rodney Van Meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 13:02:00 +0700 Message-Id: Cc: Rodney Van Meter To: qirg@irtf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: [Qirg] bits per photon X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2018 06:02:08 -0000 Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the maximum = number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite. In practice, maybe two or three? If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then = it=E2=80=99s actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99s = look at it=E2=80=A6 Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and = gets into arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon. We = have multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be = used to encode a state: * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular) * time bin (time of arrival) * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny = differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not = talking about WDM) * orbital angular momentum (OAM) * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re doing = free space transmission Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber = over long distances. Polarization requires polarization-preserving = fiber. OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be = for optical individual photons. (I think it=E2=80=99s considered = attractive for classical microwave communication.) If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the = photon in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D. You can do = this for either classical info, or quantum superposition. If you have = 1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it = appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that = is very difficult. And I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a = fair accounting to say it=E2=80=99s 10 bits per photon; it still takes = 1,024 time slots to pull this off. But it means that on the rare = occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more = information. 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It will especially helpful for enthusiast (we are not full fledge researcher)like us. Regards Gyananjay On Fri, 9 Nov 2018, 11:09 Send Qirg mailing list submissions to > qirg@irtf.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > qirg-request@irtf.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > qirg-owner@irtf.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Qirg digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. QIRG links (Rodney Van Meter) > 2. Re: QIRG links (Leif Johansson) > 3. Re: QIRG links (Leif Johansson) > 4. Re: QIRG links (Rodney Van Meter) > 5. Re: [103attendees] QIRG links (Rodney Van Meter) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rodney Van Meter > To: 103attendees@ietf.org, qirg@irtf.org > Cc: Rodney Van Meter , Axel Dahlberg < > E.A.Dahlberg@tudelft.nl> > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 10:04:26 +0700 > Subject: [Qirg] QIRG links > Folks, apologies for the fairly broad spamming here=E2=80=A6 > > There were 115+ people in room during the QIRG (Quantum Internet Research > Group) kickoff meeting yesterday, and another six or eight remote! Thank= s > for attending! I want to reach all of you, so I=E2=80=99m taking the libe= rty on the > attendees list. I=E2=80=99m certain that a number of the people in the ro= om are not > on the QIRG mailing list, but I would encourage everyone with any interes= t > at all to get on the list. Volume is low, so you won=E2=80=99t be swampe= d. > > Obviously, slides from yesterday are at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/session/qirg > and the mailing list is at > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg > > The most important link, and the main reason for writing: Axel mentioned > that Stephanie & co. published this as a roadmap in _Science_ just > recently. Here=E2=80=99s the link: > http://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6412/eaam9288 > Unfortunately, it=E2=80=99s paywalled, so those without a personal or > institutional account may have trouble=E2=80=A6Axel, do you know of any o= pen access > copy of it, either complete or as a preprint? > > Other links of possible interest=E2=80=A6 My slides from the March irtfop= en are at > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-irtfopen-va= n-meter-and-wehner-vision-for-a-quantum-internet-research-group-02 > If you want a MOOC on quantum computing with minimal math (preparatory fo= r > picking up a serious math-oriented quantum computing book), I=E2=80=99ll = immodestly > suggest > https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/ > which is still open for a few more weeks. > I could swear that I wrote up a reading list primer and sent it to the > mailing list back in the spring, but I=E2=80=99m not seeing it. One ML m= essage > with some links is > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/qirg/92Qk5ieHyFEsGNPEaRG6PLND1M4 > > =E2=80=94Rod > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Leif Johansson > To: qirg@irtf.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 04:41:01 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Qirg] QIRG links > > > https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/ > > which is still open for a few more weeks. > > Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"? > > There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be > based on the book: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJfw6lDlTuA > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-GO3SL5n30k > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtRWBoossG0Y > > Cheers Leif > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Leif Johansson > To: qirg@irtf.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:09:19 +0700 > Subject: Re: [Qirg] QIRG links > > > Skickat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone > > > 9 nov. 2018 kl. 10:41 skrev Leif Johansson : > > > > > >> https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/ > >> which is still open for a few more weeks. > > > > Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"? > > > > There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be > > based on the book: > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJfw6lDlTuA > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-GO3SL5n30k > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtRWBoossG0Y > > > > Cheers Leif > > > > Its actually a 10-part series - the first links will lead to the remainin= g > parts > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rodney Van Meter > To: Leif Johansson > Cc: Rodney Van Meter , qirg@irtf.org > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:40:44 +0700 > Subject: Re: [Qirg] QIRG links > > > On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Leif Johansson wrote: > > > >> > >> Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"? > >> > >> There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be > >> based on the book: > >> > > I actually am not familiar with either the book or the videos, but > Susskind is a great lecturer. Those are probably very good. However, th= e > specific set of learning you have to do to understand quantum computing i= s > rather different from a straight-up quantum mechanics course. Scott > Aaronson, Umesh Vazirani, Alan Aspuru-Guzik, and Ike Chuang+Peter Shor al= l > have quantum mechanics or quantum computing-related MOOCs, as well. I > think ours fits in pretty well as both preparatory for, and less abstract > than, those. > > =E2=80=94Rod > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Rodney Van Meter > To: Nathan Aw > Cc: Rodney Van Meter , E.A.Dahlberg@tudelft.nl, > qirg@irtf.org > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:38:42 +0700 > Subject: Re: [Qirg] [103attendees] QIRG links > > On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Nathan Aw wrote: > > Hi Rodney, I wish to let you know that what was presented was simply, > simply amazing. Great work there! > > > Thanks. (And thanks to Axel, who did most of the presenting.) > > > I presented at the decentralized research group on decentralized identity= . > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-dinrg-decen= tralized-identity-01 > > I am extremely keen on exploring the use of quantum technologies in this > area. > > > You mean, how to apply quantum networking to the (application layer) > problem of identity & authentication? Could be an interesting applicatio= n. > > > I have done some research in the past. (Check out my github=E2=80=A6) > > > Link? > > > I wish to be part of this research group. Could you put me as a member of > this research group, please? > > > There is nothing to do to become a member of the RG, except to join the > mailing list (link below). Open up a discussion thread on > identity+quantum, and let=E2=80=99s see what we get... > > > I wish to contribute. Thank you very much. > > Please let me know? > > > By all means, looking forward to your contribution! > > > > and the mailing list is at >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg >> >> > =E2=80=94Rod > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg > --000000000000d83ff3057a4111a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1.edx.org got MOOC,= s by Dr Staphnie itself.Any can go through audit track.I completed the same= .
2.I can think off a virtual quantum lab where each= one of mailer member can contribute and architect the evaluation. It will = especially helpful for enthusiast (we are not full fledge researcher)like u= s.
Regards=C2=A0
Gyananjay=C2= =A0


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Rodney Va= n Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
To:=C2=A0103attendees@ietf.org= , qirg@irtf.org
Cc:=C2=A0Rodney Van Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp&= gt;, Axel Dahlberg <E.A.Dahlberg@tudelft.nl>
Bcc:=C2=A0Date:=C2=A0Fri, 9 Nov 2018 10:04:26 +0700
Subject:=C2=A0[Qirg] QIRG li= nks
Folks, apologies for the fairly = broad spamming here=E2=80=A6

There were 115+ people in r= oom during the QIRG (Quantum Internet Research Group) kickoff meeting yeste= rday, and another six or eight remote!=C2=A0 Thanks for attending! I want t= o reach all of you, so I=E2=80=99m taking the liberty on the attendees list= . I=E2=80=99m certain that a number of the people in the room are not on th= e QIRG mailing list, but I would encourage everyone with any interest at al= l to get on the list.=C2=A0 Volume is low, so you won=E2=80=99t be swamped.=

Obviously, slides from yesterday are at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/ses= sion/qirg
and the mailing list is at

= The most important link, and the main reason for writing: Axel mentioned th= at Stephanie & co. published this as a roadmap in _Science_ just recent= ly.=C2=A0 Here=E2=80=99s the link:
Unfor= tunately, it=E2=80=99s paywalled, so those without a personal or institutio= nal account may have trouble=E2=80=A6Axel, do you know of any open access c= opy of it, either complete or as a preprint?

Other= links of possible interest=E2=80=A6 My slides from the March irtfopen are = at
If you want a MOOC = on quantum computing with minimal math (preparatory for picking up a seriou= s math-oriented quantum computing book), I=E2=80=99ll immodestly suggest
which is still open for a = few more weeks.
I could swear that I wrote up a reading list prim= er and sent it to the mailing list back in the spring, but I=E2=80=99m not = seeing it.=C2=A0 One ML message with some links is

= =E2=80=94Rod




---------- Forwarded mes= sage ----------
From:=C2=A0Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se>
To:= =C2=A0qirg@irtf.org
Cc:=C2=A0
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Fri, 9 Nov 2018= 04:41:01 +0100
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Qirg] QIRG links

> https://www.futurelea= rn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/
> which is still open for a few more weeks.

Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"?

There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be
based on the book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJfw6lDlTu= A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-GO3SL5n30= k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtRWBoossG0= Y

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cheers Leif







---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Leif Joha= nsson <leifj@sunet.se>
To:=C2=A0qirg@irtf.org
Cc:=C2=A0
Bcc:= =C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:09:19 +0700
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Q= irg] QIRG links


Skickat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone

> 9 nov. 2018 kl. 10:41 skrev Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se>:
>
>
>> https://www.futur= elearn.com/courses/intro-to-quantum-computing/
>> which is still open for a few more weeks.
>
> Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"?
>
> There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be
> based on the book:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiJfw6= lDlTuA
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-GO3S= L5n30k
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtRWBo= ossG0Y
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cheers Leif
>

Its actually a 10-part series - the first links will lead to the remaining = parts

>
>





---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Rodney Va= n Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
To:=C2=A0Leif Johansson <leifj@sun= et.se>
Cc:=C2=A0Rodney Van Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp>, = qirg@= irtf.org
Bcc:=C2=A0
Date:=C2=A0Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:40:44 +0700
= Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Qirg] QIRG links

> On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se> wro= te:
>
>>
>> Would you recommend Susskinds "The theoretical minimum"?=
>>
>> There is a 3 part lecture series up on youtube that seems to be >> based on the book:
>>

I actually am not familiar with either the book or the videos, but Susskind= is a great lecturer.=C2=A0 Those are probably very good.=C2=A0 However, th= e specific set of learning you have to do to understand quantum computing i= s rather different from a straight-up quantum mechanics course.=C2=A0 Scott= Aaronson, Umesh Vazirani, Alan Aspuru-Guzik, and Ike Chuang+Peter Shor all= have quantum mechanics or quantum computing-related MOOCs, as well.=C2=A0 = I think ours fits in pretty well as both preparatory for, and less abstract= than, those.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=94Rod







---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Rodney Va= n Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp>
To:=C2=A0Nathan Aw <nathan= .mk.aw@gmail.com>
Cc:=C2=A0Rodney Van Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.j= p>, E.A.Dahlberg@tudelft.nl, qirg@irtf.org
Bcc:=C2=A0
= Date:=C2=A0Fri, 9 Nov 2018 12:38:42 +0700
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [Qirg] [103a= ttendees] QIRG links

On Nov 9, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Nathan Aw <nat= han.mk.aw@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Rodney, I wish to= let you know that what was presented was simply, simply amazing. Great wor= k there!

Thanks. =C2=A0(And th= anks to Axel, who did most of the presenting.)


I presented at the decentralized research group on decentralized iden= tity.=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/mee= ting/103/materials/slides-103-dinrg-decentralized-identity-01

I am extremely keen on exp= loring the use of quantum technologies in this area.

You mean, how to apply quantum networking to th= e (application layer) problem of identity & authentication?=C2=A0 Could= be an interesting application.


I have done so= me research in the past. (Check out my github=E2=80=A6)

Link?


I wish to= be part of this research group. Could you put me as a member of this resea= rch group, please?

There = is nothing to do to become a member of the RG, except to join the mailing l= ist (link below).=C2=A0 Open up a discussion thread on identity+quantum, an= d let=E2=80=99s see what we get...

=

I wish to c= ontribute. Thank you very much.

Please let me know?

= By all means, looking forward to your contribution!



<= div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto">

=E2=80=94Rod
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--000000000000d83ff3057a4111a3-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 08:46:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A95C130E1D for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:46:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5untJUODG_MI for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.cnes.fr (mx2.cnes.fr [194.199.174.201]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7868212785F for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 08:46:08 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.54,495,1534809600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="22445135" X-IPAS-Result: A2FMAADnrOlb/wEBeApjHAEBAQQBAQcEAQGBUQcBAQsBgQ1NDB1mTzMnCowGjgeJB4hahVSBejIGAYRAAoMuIjQNDQEDAQEBAQEBAgICaRwMhTwDAQItRxUCAQUQARQdByERFBECBAEJCQiCTkyBHUwDFQ+qfRqEEwGDUQ2CFAWCfosYgVeBN4JWAYEULBkCAYFiNIJ/giYCiT6FLlmPXC4HAoELhWuGfINDXokMA4cDjHsrgQWLEDkngS4zGieDOIF3gnOFdzuFPkIwAYEfCItNAYEeAQE From: Gelard Patrick To: Axel Dahlberg , "qirg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [Qirg] Requesting updates in today's meeting Thread-Index: AQHUdzWlwmwXa6fh0Em8xGZssVe9/qVF6WOAgAYxY6CAAEQKwA== Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:46:05 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5d7e0911-28ee-43fa-8236-3877b21ba068@email.android.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.4255-8.100.1062-24220.000 x-tm-as-result: No--31.574100-8.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: No x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_F1E8EFF81FCF1B46AA7CCA3CC4D5E18C9900C97DTWMBXP04cnesnet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Qirg] TR: Requesting updates in today's meeting X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 16:46:11 -0000 --_000_F1E8EFF81FCF1B46AA7CCA3CC4D5E18C9900C97DTWMBXP04cnesnet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thank you for this remarkable presentation. Concerning quantum internet pre= sentation I will have some questions about the "Prepare and Measure" stage = . Does the second stage "Prepare and Measure" use direct transmission ( https= ://www.more-ip-event.net/uploads/834b540f2c0886761ec4a379dab31a4f.pdf ) to= send the qubit which then can be use by quantum distribution key not based= on entanglement ? Will this process of preparation and measurement to send qubits directly be= used later to transfer classical bits ( https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.02019.p= df ) or will it be abandoned in favour of entanglement for futur quantum se= rvices such as teleportation, dense coding, quantum key distribution based = on entanglement, ... ? Thanks Patrick G=E9lard De : Qirg > De la part = de Axel Dahlberg Envoy=E9 : jeudi 8 novembre 2018 16:04 =C0 : Abhijan Bhattacharyya > Cc : qirg@irtf.org Objet : Re: [Qirg] Requesting updates in today's meeting Here's the recording of the meeting: https://youtu.be/dh6VcKiLetk /Axel Dahlberg --_000_F1E8EFF81FCF1B46AA7CCA3CC4D5E18C9900C97DTWMBXP04cnesnet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 = ;

Thank you for this remarkable presentation. Concerning quantum interne= t presentation I will have some questions about the “Prepare and Measure” stage .

 

Does the second stage “Prepare and Measure” use direct tra= nsmission ( https://www.more-ip-event.net/uploads/834b540f2c0886761ec4a379dab31a4f.pdf<= /a> )  to send the qubit which then can be use by quantum distribution= key not based on entanglement ?

Will this process of preparation and measurement to send qubits direct= ly be used later to transfer classical bits ( https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801= .02019.pdf ) or will it be abandoned in favour of entanglement for futu= r quantum services such as teleportation, dense coding, quantum key distrib= ution based on entanglement, ... ?

 

 

Thanks

Patrick G=E9lard

De : Qirg <qirg-bounces@irtf.org> De la part de Axel Dahlberg
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 8 novembre 2018 16:04
=C0 : Abhijan Bhattacharyya <abhijan.bhattacharyya@gmai= l.com>
Cc : qirg@irtf.org
Objet : Re: [Qirg] Requesting updates in today's meeting

 

Here's the recording of the meeting:

 

 

/Axel Dahlberg

 

--_000_F1E8EFF81FCF1B46AA7CCA3CC4D5E18C9900C97DTWMBXP04cnesnet_-- From hklo@ece.utoronto.ca Fri Nov 9 18:42:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AA41252B7 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:42:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kd7qpOuaEMUZ for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from m2.ece.utoronto.ca (mail.ece.utoronto.ca [128.100.10.107]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A1112008A for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ece.utoronto.ca (mail.ece.utoronto.ca [128.100.10.107]) by m2.ece.utoronto.ca (8.15.1/8.14.5) with ESMTP id wAA2gNBr014954 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (CPEbc1401315d83-CMbc1401315d80.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.249.157.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ece.utoronto.ca (8.15.1/8.14.5) with ESMTPSA id wAA2gNZ7014951 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:42:23 -0500 (EST) To: qirg@irtf.org References: From: Hoi-Kwong Lo Message-ID: <7d89b6a0-c7fc-659a-7a1e-c3c75e50b2e7@ece.utoronto.ca> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 21:42:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E9D2D08D7BD59E5FB8CE8494" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:45:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [Qirg] Qirg Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 06:40:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E9D2D08D7BD59E5FB8CE8494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all, Just one quick comment: For QKD, polarization-encoding does *not* requires polarization-preserving fiber. In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD can be done with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g. https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0607129 and https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134 My view is that polarization encoding is highly practical for QKD. Cheers, Hoi-Kwong Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. The short answer istheoretically, infinite. In practice, maybe two or three? If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then its actually interesting to think about this, so lets look at it Of course, infinite is a hack, and gets into arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon. We have multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state: * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular) * time bin (time of arrival) * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so Im not talking about WDM) * orbital angular momentum (OAM) * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if youre doing free space transmission Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber over long distances. Polarization requires polarization-preserving fiber. OAM I dont think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be for optical individual photons. (I think its considered attractive for classical microwave communication.) If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the photon in early or late. You can do this for either classical info, or quantum superposition. If you have 1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is very difficult. And I would argue that its not really a fair accounting to say its 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to pull this off. But it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more information. This could be valuable, especially for managing errors. Rod On 11/9/2018 3:00 PM, qirg-request@irtf.org wrote: > Send Qirg mailing list submissions to > qirg@irtf.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > qirg-request@irtf.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > qirg-owner@irtf.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Qirg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. bits per photon (Rodney Van Meter) > > > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg --------------E9D2D08D7BD59E5FB8CE8494 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi, all,


Just one quick comment: For QKD, polarization-encoding

does *not* requires polarization-preserving fiber.


In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD can be done

with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g.

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0607129

and

https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134


My view is that polarization encoding is highly practical for QKD.


Cheers,

Hoi-Kwong


Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon.

The short answer istheoretically, infinite.

In practice, maybe two or three?

 If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then its actually interesting to think about this, so lets look at it Of course, infinite is a hack, and gets into arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon.  We have multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state:

* ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular)
* time bin (time of arrival)
* wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so Im not talking about WDM)
* orbital angular momentum (OAM)
* spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if youre doing free space transmission

Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber over long distances.  Polarization requires polarization-preserving fiber.

OAM I dont think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be for optical individual photons.  (I think its considered attractive for classical microwave communication.)

If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the photon in early or late.  You can do this for either classical info, or quantum superposition.  If you have 1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is very difficult.  And I would argue that its not really a fair accounting to say its 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to pull this off.  But it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more information.  This could be valuable, especially for managing errors.

		Rod
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So standard single-mode fibers carry = polarized states well enough? I=92m not quite sure how/why. Are these = horizontal/vertical polarization, or left/right circular? (I suppose I could read the papers and find out=85) > On Nov 10, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Hoi-Kwong Lo = wrote: >=20 > Hi, all, >=20 >=20 > Just one quick comment: For QKD, polarization-encoding >=20 > does *not* requires polarization-preserving fiber. >=20 >=20 > In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD can be done >=20 > with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g.=20 > https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0607129 = > and >=20 > https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134 >=20 > My view is that polarization encoding is highly practical for QKD. >=20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Hoi-Kwong >=20 > Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the = maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. >=20 > The short answer is=85theoretically, infinite. >=20 > In practice, maybe two or three? >=20 > If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then = it=92s actually interesting to think about this, so let=92s look at it=85 = Of course, =93infinite=94 is a hack, and gets into arguments about what = it means to encode data on a photon. We have multiple degrees of = freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state: >=20 > * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular) > * time bin (time of arrival) > * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny = differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=92m not talking = about WDM) > * orbital angular momentum (OAM) > * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=92re doing free = space transmission >=20 > Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over = fiber over long distances. Polarization requires = polarization-preserving fiber. >=20 > OAM I don=92t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be for = optical individual photons. (I think it=92s considered attractive for = classical microwave communication.) >=20 > If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having = the photon in =93early=94 or =93late=94. You can do this for either = classical info, or quantum superposition. If you have 1,024 time bins, = you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly one = of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is very difficult. = And I would argue that it=92s not really a fair accounting to say it=92s = 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to pull this off. = But it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is actually = received, you get more information. This could be valuable, especially = for managing errors. >=20 > =97Rod >=20 >=20 > On 11/9/2018 3:00 PM, qirg-request@irtf.org = wrote: >> Send Qirg mailing list submissions to >> qirg@irtf.org >>=20 >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> qirg-request@irtf.org >>=20 >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> qirg-owner@irtf.org >>=20 >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Qirg digest..." >>=20 >>=20 >> Today's Topics: >>=20 >> 1. bits per photon (Rodney Van Meter) >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Qirg mailing list >> Qirg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg --Apple-Mail=_E429597C-6018-4165-AEAD-103FCDF9A521 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Thanks, I didn=92t realize that.  So standard = single-mode fibers carry polarized states well enough?  I=92m not = quite sure how/why.  Are these horizontal/vertical polarization, or = left/right circular?

(I suppose I could read the papers and find out=85)

On Nov 10, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Hoi-Kwong Lo <hklo@ece.utoronto.ca> wrote:

=20 =20

Hi, = all,


Just one quick comment: For QKD, = polarization-encoding

does *not* requires = polarization-preserving fiber.


In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD = can be done

with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g. =

https://arxiv.org/abs/quan= t-ph/0607129

and

https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134


My view is that polarization encoding is highly = practical for QKD.


Cheers,

Hoi-Kwong


Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned =
being curious about the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry =
on a single photon.

The short answer is=85theoretically, infinite.

In practice, maybe two or three?

 If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then =
it=92s actually interesting to think about this, so let=92s look at it=85 =
Of course, =93infinite=94 is a hack, and gets into arguments about what =
it means to encode data on a photon.  We have multiple degrees of =
freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state:

* ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular)
* time bin (time of arrival)
* wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny =
differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=92m not talking =
about WDM)
* orbital angular momentum (OAM)
* spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=92re doing free =
space transmission

Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber =
over long distances.  Polarization requires polarization-preserving =
fiber.

OAM I don=92t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be for =
optical individual photons.  (I think it=92s considered attractive for =
classical microwave communication.)

If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the =
photon in =93early=94 or =93late=94.  You can do this for either =
classical info, or quantum superposition.  If you have 1,024 time bins, =
you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly one =
of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is very difficult.  =
And I would argue that it=92s not really a fair accounting to say it=92s =
10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to pull this off.  =
But it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is actually =
received, you get more information.  This could be valuable, especially =
for managing errors.

		=97Rod
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= --Apple-Mail=_E429597C-6018-4165-AEAD-103FCDF9A521-- From nobody Mon Nov 12 17:54:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28461127148 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:54:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.988 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.988 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=strayalpha.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sXLviRsFuCwG for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from server217-3.web-hosting.com (server217-3.web-hosting.com [198.54.115.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B794124408 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:54:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=strayalpha.com; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zjcBV9oh1xE/7X4WVmXfQhET19jAnIf/NWEspMSuZak=; b=ZNB87tafsMpota5IQCFveyCWQ dtacYqEAEt4E8oq19RNOu/2q3bCWFgv1hcLSAw7RXrj6jtDZU0/ti/NSMb/XEw8syhjWqj1SNvsVi REI9nSbDwNqbfYHus3kW+Rbq8NLGrotO6ZGvAK91cpw86IwjKb8h1ks6YiT027XbJS03jBnZH1ZqW OKiSBqZ5eVij+c1TxKJ4RFIpYz3+c3L4sEz1Y8az/J9jVaFzTBhzqoZpRkDvQ8YXYey/8vo0Cwt8o 0Jhp11ID88Lg+MxgA52M9vR/LUaen7EXACrslJnv5cJBoqJDNQcUlR+/oBUczTMA0VR1E6qvvLqP7 tCmh5yn2Q==; Received: from cpe-172-250-240-132.socal.res.rr.com ([172.250.240.132]:55260 helo=[192.168.1.16]) by server217.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gMNu3-002LJQ-Le; Mon, 12 Nov 2018 20:54:11 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BE90D76F-598D-40D9-8390-9A1099F73A5B Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Joe Touch X-Mailer: iPad Mail (16B92) In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 17:54:07 -0800 Cc: Hoi-Kwong Lo , qirg@irtf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <81236686-667A-4730-B7CC-CE524B9C6218@strayalpha.com> References: <7d89b6a0-c7fc-659a-7a1e-c3c75e50b2e7@ece.utoronto.ca> To: Rodney Van Meter X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server217.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - irtf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - strayalpha.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: server217.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: touch@strayalpha.com X-Authenticated-Sender: server217.web-hosting.com: touch@strayalpha.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] Qirg Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 01:54:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail-BE90D76F-598D-40D9-8390-9A1099F73A5B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And what does =E2=80=9Cpolarization preserving=E2=80=9D mean. It might be o= k to change polarization by a fixed amount, but variation or birefrignence s= eem prohibited. Joe=20 > On Nov 12, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rodney Van Meter wrote: >=20 > Thanks, I didn=E2=80=99t realize that. So standard single-mode fibers car= ry polarized states well enough? I=E2=80=99m not quite sure how/why. Are t= hese horizontal/vertical polarization, or left/right circular? >=20 > (I suppose I could read the papers and find out=E2=80=A6) >=20 >> On Nov 10, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Hoi-Kwong Lo wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, all, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Just one quick comment: For QKD, polarization-encoding >>=20 >> does *not* requires polarization-preserving fiber. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD can be done >>=20 >> with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g.=20 >>=20 >> https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0607129 >>=20 >> and >>=20 >> https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> My view is that polarization encoding is highly practical for QKD. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Hoi-Kwong >>=20 >>=20 >> Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the maximum n= umber of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. >>=20 >> The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite. >>=20 >> In practice, maybe two or three? >>=20 >> If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then it=E2= =80=99s actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99s look at i= t=E2=80=A6 Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and gets into ar= guments about what it means to encode data on a photon. We have multiple de= grees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state:= >>=20 >> * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular) >> * time bin (time of arrival) >> * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny differen= ces can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not talking about= WDM) >> * orbital angular momentum (OAM) >> * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re doing f= ree space transmission >>=20 >> Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber o= ver long distances. Polarization requires polarization-preserving fiber. >>=20 >> OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be f= or optical individual photons. (I think it=E2=80=99s considered attractive f= or classical microwave communication.) >>=20 >> If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the p= hoton in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D. You can do this= for either classical info, or quantum superposition. If you have 1,024 tim= e bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly= one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is very difficult. A= nd I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a fair accounting to say it=E2= =80=99s 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to pull this off= . But it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is actually rece= ived, you get more information. This could be valuable, especially for mana= ging errors. >>=20 >> =E2=80=94Rod >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 11/9/2018 3:00 PM, qirg-request@irtf.org wrote: >>> Send Qirg mailing list submissions to >>> qirg@irtf.org >>>=20 >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> qirg-request@irtf.org >>>=20 >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> qirg-owner@irtf.org >>>=20 >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Qirg digest..." >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Today's Topics: >>>=20 >>> 1. bits per photon (Rodney Van Meter) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qirg mailing list >>> Qirg@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Qirg mailing list >> Qirg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg --Apple-Mail-BE90D76F-598D-40D9-8390-9A1099F73A5B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And= what does =E2=80=9Cpolarization preserving=E2=80=9D mean.  It might be= ok to change polarization by a fixed amount, but variation or birefrignence= seem prohibited.

Joe =

On Nov 12, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rodney Van Meter <= ;rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp> wrote:
=
Thanks, I didn=E2=80= =99t realize that.  So standard single-mode fibers carry polarized stat= es well enough?  I=E2=80=99m not quite sure how/why.  Are these ho= rizontal/vertical polarization, or left/right circular?

(I suppose I could read the papers and find o= ut=E2=80=A6)

On Nov 10, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Hoi-Kwong Lo <= ;hklo@ece.utoronto.ca= > wrote:

=20 =20

Hi, all= ,


Just one quick comment: For QKD, polarization-encoding=

does *not* requires polarization-preserving fiber.


In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD can b= e done

with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g.

https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0607129

<= p class=3D"">and

https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134


My view is that polarization encoding is highly practi= cal for QKD.


Cheers,

Hoi-Kwong


Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned bein=
g curious about the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a si=
ngle photon.

The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite.

In practice, maybe two or three?

 If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then it=E2=80=
=99s actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99s look at it=E2=
=80=A6 Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and gets into argume=
nts about what it means to encode data on a photon.  We have multiple degree=
s of freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state:

* ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular)
* time bin (time of arrival)
* wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny differences=
 can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not talking about WD=
M)
* orbital angular momentum (OAM)
* spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re doing free=
 space transmission

Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber ove=
r long distances.  Polarization requires polarization-preserving fiber.

OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be for o=
ptical individual photons.  (I think it=E2=80=99s considered attractive for c=
lassical microwave communication.)

If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the pho=
ton in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D.  You can do this f=
or either classical info, or quantum superposition.  If you have 1,024 time b=
ins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly on=
e of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is very difficult.  And=
 I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a fair accounting to say it=E2=80=
=99s 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to pull this off.  B=
ut it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is actually received=
, you get more information.  This could be valuable, especially for managing=
 errors.

		=E2=80=94Rod
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10:13:16 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CAB25F79-4E6E-4ABC-9102-C76FC3ABB58B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That was my original impression, as well (and that Wiki page = specifically mentions polarization QKD), but Hoi-Kwong has *done it* = without PMF. I=E2=80=99m curious about some of the details, but I have = no reason to doubt that it works. =E2=80=94Rod > On Nov 14, 2018, at 4:57 PM, JW wrote: >=20 > Shot in the photon-free-zone :) >=20 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization-maintaining_optical_fiber >=20 > Short of it: > Twists in the fiber (or imperfections within) can cause polarization = modes to interact with one another, unpredictably. PMF can help = maintain predictability, assuming the angle of incidence is within = tolerance. >=20 >=20 > /John >=20 > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joe Touch >=20 > And what does =E2=80=9Cpolarization preserving=E2=80=9D mean. It = might be ok to change polarization by a fixed amount, but variation or = birefrignence seem prohibited. >=20 > Joe=20 >=20 > On Nov 12, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rodney Van Meter > wrote: >=20 >> Thanks, I didn=E2=80=99t realize that. So standard single-mode = fibers carry polarized states well enough? I=E2=80=99m not quite sure = how/why. Are these horizontal/vertical polarization, or left/right = circular? >>=20 >> (I suppose I could read the papers and find out=E2=80=A6) >>=20 >>> On Nov 10, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Hoi-Kwong Lo > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, all, >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Just one quick comment: For QKD, polarization-encoding >>>=20 >>> does *not* requires polarization-preserving fiber. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD can be done >>>=20 >>> with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g.=20 >>> https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0607129 = >>> and >>>=20 >>> https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134 >>>=20 >>> My view is that polarization encoding is highly practical for QKD. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>>=20 >>> Hoi-Kwong >>>=20 >>> Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the = maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. >>>=20 >>> The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite. >>>=20 >>> In practice, maybe two or three? >>>=20 >>> If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then = it=E2=80=99s actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99s = look at it=E2=80=A6 Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and = gets into arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon. We = have multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be = used to encode a state: >>>=20 >>> * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right = circular) >>> * time bin (time of arrival) >>> * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny = differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not = talking about WDM) >>> * orbital angular momentum (OAM) >>> * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re = doing free space transmission >>>=20 >>> Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over = fiber over long distances. Polarization requires = polarization-preserving fiber. >>>=20 >>> OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will = be for optical individual photons. (I think it=E2=80=99s considered = attractive for classical microwave communication.) >>>=20 >>> If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having = the photon in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D. You = can do this for either classical info, or quantum superposition. If you = have 1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it = appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that = is very difficult. And I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a = fair accounting to say it=E2=80=99s 10 bits per photon; it still takes = 1,024 time slots to pull this off. But it means that on the rare = occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more = information. This could be valuable, especially for managing errors. >>>=20 >>> =E2=80=94Rod >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 11/9/2018 3:00 PM, qirg-request@irtf.org = wrote: >>>> Send Qirg mailing list submissions to >>>> qirg@irtf.org >>>>=20 >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> qirg-request@irtf.org >>>>=20 >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> qirg-owner@irtf.org >>>>=20 >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Qirg digest..." >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Today's Topics: >>>>=20 >>>> 1. bits per photon (Rodney Van Meter) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Qirg mailing list >>>> Qirg@irtf.org >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qirg mailing list >>> Qirg@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Qirg mailing list >> Qirg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg = > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg --Apple-Mail=_CAB25F79-4E6E-4ABC-9102-C76FC3ABB58B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 That was my original impression, as well (and that Wiki page = specifically mentions polarization QKD), but Hoi-Kwong has *done it* = without PMF.  I=E2=80=99m curious about some of the details, but I = have no reason to doubt that it works.

=E2=80=94Rod

On Nov 14, 2018, at 4:57 PM, JW <jw@pcthink.com> = wrote:

Shot in the photon-free-zone :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization-maintaining_optical_= fiber

Short = of it:
Twists in the fiber (or imperfections = within) can cause polarization modes to interact with one another, = unpredictably.  PMF can help maintain predictability, assuming the = angle of incidence is within tolerance.


/John

-------- Original message = --------
From: Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>

And what does =E2=80=9Cpolarization preserving=E2=80=9D mean. =  It might be ok to change polarization by a fixed amount, but = variation or birefrignence seem prohibited.

Joe 

On = Nov 12, 2018, at 5:51 PM, Rodney Van Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp> = wrote:

Thanks, I = didn=E2=80=99t realize that.  So standard single-mode fibers carry = polarized states well enough?  I=E2=80=99m not quite sure how/why. =  Are these horizontal/vertical polarization, or left/right = circular?

(I suppose = I could read the papers and find out=E2=80=A6)

On Nov 10, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Hoi-Kwong Lo <hklo@ece.utoronto.ca> wrote:

=20 =20

Hi, = all,


Just one quick comment: For QKD, = polarization-encoding

does *not* requires = polarization-preserving fiber.


In fact, long-distance polarization-encoding QKD = can be done

with standard single-mode fibers. See e.g. =

https://arxiv.org/abs/quan= t-ph/0607129

and

https://arxiv.org/abs/1306.6134


My view is that polarization encoding is highly = practical for QKD.


Cheers,

Hoi-Kwong


Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned =
being curious about the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry =
on a single photon.

The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite.

In practice, maybe two or three?

 If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then =
it=E2=80=99s actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99s =
look at it=E2=80=A6 Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and =
gets into arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon.  We =
have multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be =
used to encode a state:

* ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular)
* time bin (time of arrival)
* wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny =
differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not =
talking about WDM)
* orbital angular momentum (OAM)
* spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re doing =
free space transmission

Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber =
over long distances.  Polarization requires polarization-preserving =
fiber.

OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be =
for optical individual photons.  (I think it=E2=80=99s considered =
attractive for classical microwave communication.)

If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the =
photon in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D.  You can do =
this for either classical info, or quantum superposition.  If you have =
1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it =
appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that =
is very difficult.  And I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a =
fair accounting to say it=E2=80=99s 10 bits per photon; it still takes =
1,024 time slots to pull this off.  But it means that on the rare =
occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more =
information.  This could be valuable, especially for managing errors.

		=E2=80=94Rod
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[65.78.30.149]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e5sm5393477qtr.52.2018.11.14.03.46.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 14 Nov 2018 03:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Willis Message-Id: <8428575C-6BFA-40BE-BD7E-2E5CD159AFA0@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8B5C3DCA-6B22-4325-9553-AA16F0D2C581" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 06:46:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: Cc: qirg@irtf.org To: Rodney Van Meter References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] bits per photon X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 11:46:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8B5C3DCA-6B22-4325-9553-AA16F0D2C581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In addition to the various encoding states of a photon, there=E2=80=99s = also superdense coding (which in a way is the inverse of entanglement). = Superdense coding is a protocol that can send two bits of classical data = using an entangled qubit. Check out https://youtu.be/w5rCn593Dig = for a great explanation.=20 A question for Rodney: If you have a single photon with multiple types = of simultaneous encoding (for example polarization and orbital angular = momentum), can you theoretically carry two quantum states? I guess this = assumes you can measure e.g. polarization without disturbing OAM - which = feels like a serious physics problem.=20 Applying the superdense protocol and if the multi-encoding photon is = practical, you could carry 4 bits of classical information in a single = photon (maybe?)=20 Steve > On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:02 AM, Rodney Van Meter = wrote: >=20 > Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the = maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. >=20 > The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite. >=20 > In practice, maybe two or three? >=20 > If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then = it=E2=80=99s actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99s = look at it=E2=80=A6 Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and = gets into arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon. We = have multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be = used to encode a state: >=20 > * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular) > * time bin (time of arrival) > * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny = differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not = talking about WDM) > * orbital angular momentum (OAM) > * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re = doing free space transmission >=20 > Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over = fiber over long distances. Polarization requires = polarization-preserving fiber. >=20 > OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will = be for optical individual photons. (I think it=E2=80=99s considered = attractive for classical microwave communication.) >=20 > If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having = the photon in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D. You = can do this for either classical info, or quantum superposition. If you = have 1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it = appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that = is very difficult. And I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a = fair accounting to say it=E2=80=99s 10 bits per photon; it still takes = 1,024 time slots to pull this off. But it means that on the rare = occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more = information. This could be valuable, especially for managing errors. >=20 > =E2=80=94Rod >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg --Apple-Mail=_8B5C3DCA-6B22-4325-9553-AA16F0D2C581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 In = addition to the various encoding states of a photon, there=E2=80=99s = also superdense coding (which in a way is the inverse of entanglement). = Superdense coding is a protocol that can send two bits of classical data = using an entangled qubit. Check out https://youtu.be/w5rCn593Dig for a great = explanation. 

A = question for Rodney: If you have a single photon with multiple types of = simultaneous encoding (for example polarization and orbital angular = momentum), can you theoretically carry two quantum states? I guess this = assumes you can measure e.g. polarization without disturbing OAM - which = feels like a serious physics problem. 

Applying the superdense protocol and if = the multi-encoding photon is practical, you could carry 4 bits of = classical information in a single photon (maybe?) 

Steve



On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:02 AM, Rodney Van Meter = <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp> wrote:

Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about = the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single = photon.

The short answer = is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite.

In = practice, maybe two or three?

If loss is = your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then it=E2=80=99s = actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99s look at it=E2=80= =A6 Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and gets into = arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon.  We have = multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to = encode a state:

* ordinary polarization = (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular)
* time bin = (time of arrival)
* wavelelength/frequency/color/energy = (all the same thing) (tiny differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 = state, so I=E2=80=99m not talking about WDM)
* orbital = angular momentum (OAM)
* spatial position/arm (left path, = right path), if you=E2=80=99re doing free space transmission

Time bin or frequency are probably the most = robust for travel over fiber over long distances.  Polarization = requires polarization-preserving fiber.

OAM = I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be for = optical individual photons.  (I think it=E2=80=99s considered = attractive for classical microwave communication.)

If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by = having the photon in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D. =  You can do this for either classical info, or quantum = superposition.  If you have 1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits = with one photon by having it appear in exactly one of those time bins, = but encoding and decoding that is very difficult.  And I would = argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a fair accounting to say it=E2=80=99s = 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to pull this off. =  But it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is = actually received, you get more information.  This could be = valuable, especially for managing errors.

= = =E2=80=94Rod

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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1393221996-1648929005-1542218683=:1431 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Steve Willis wrote: > In addition to the various encoding states of a photon, there’s also > superdense coding (which in a way is the inverse of entanglement). > Superdense coding is a protocol that can send two bits of classical data > using an entangled qubit. Check out https://youtu.be/w5rCn593Dig for a > great explanation.  A question for Rodney: If you have a single photon > with multiple types of simultaneous encoding (for example polarization > and orbital angular momentum), can you theoretically carry two quantum > states? I guess this assumes you can measure e.g. polarization without > disturbing OAM - which feels like a serious physics problem.  > > Applying the superdense protocol and if the multi-encoding photon is practical, you could carry 4 bits of classical information in a single photon (maybe?)  > Per previous notes photons can encode many bits. This is limited as explained in following article: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1211.1427.pdf Recent experimental results at MIT(these are changing) can be found: https://arxiv.org/abs/1609.04200 > Steve > > > > On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:02 AM, Rodney Van Meter wrote: > > Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. > > The short answer is…theoretically, infinite. > > In practice, maybe two or three? > > If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then it’s actually interesting to think about this, so let’s look at it… Of course, “infinite” > is a hack, and gets into arguments about what it means to encode data on a photon.  We have multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be > used to encode a state: > > * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular) > * time bin (time of arrival) > * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I’m not talking about WDM) > * orbital angular momentum (OAM) > * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you’re doing free space transmission > > Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber over long distances.  Polarization requires polarization-preserving fiber. > > OAM I don’t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will be for optical individual photons.  (I think it’s considered attractive for classical microwave > communication.) > > If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the photon in “early” or “late”.  You can do this for either classical info, or quantum > superposition.  If you have 1,024 time bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and > decoding that is very difficult.  And I would argue that it’s not really a fair accounting to say it’s 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,024 time slots to > pull this off.  But it means that on the rare occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more information.  This could be valuable, especially > for managing errors. > > —Rod > > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg > > > > --1393221996-1648929005-1542218683=:1431-- From bilmun@qis1.ex.nii.ac.jp Wed Nov 14 04:51:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40DF130DED for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 04:51:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xmRea20W9Lnr for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 04:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from qis1.ex.nii.ac.jp (qis1.ex.nii.ac.jp [136.187.101.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 65642124408 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 04:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.220] (softbank126065245100.bbtec.net [126.65.245.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by qis1.ex.nii.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C71938C0FA0; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:51:01 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: bilmun@qis1.ex.nii.ac.jp To: Steve Willis , Rodney Van Meter Cc: qirg@irtf.org References: <8428575C-6BFA-40BE-BD7E-2E5CD159AFA0@gmail.com> From: Bill Munro Organization: NTT BRL Message-ID: <0ed41cea-8ce3-e1ac-8fad-f2bcaa5aed70@qis1.ex.nii.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:51:00 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8428575C-6BFA-40BE-BD7E-2E5CD159AFA0@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B90DB199E7ACBA2B3F4F154D" Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 15:57:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [Qirg] bits per photon X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 13:00:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B90DB199E7ACBA2B3F4F154D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Steve, With the different types of simultaneous encoding, you can carry=20 multiple independent qubits and so more than 2 bits of classical=20 information. cheers Bill Steve Willis wrote: > In addition to the various encoding states of a photon, there=E2=80=99s= also=20 > superdense coding (which in a way is the inverse of entanglement).=20 > Superdense coding is a protocol that can send two bits of classical=20 > data using an entangled qubit. Check out=20 > https://youtu.be/w5rCn593Dig=C2=A0for a great explanation. > > A question for Rodney: If you have a single photon with multiple types=20 > of simultaneous encoding (for example polarization and orbital angular=20 > momentum), can you theoretically carry two quantum states? I guess=20 > this assumes you can measure e.g. polarization without disturbing OAM=20 > - which feels like a serious physics problem. > > Applying the superdense protocol and if the multi-encoding photon is=20 > practical, you could carry 4 bits of classical information in a single=20 > photon (maybe?) > > Steve > > > >> On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:02 AM, Rodney Van Meter > > wrote: >> >> Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the=20 >> maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon. >> >> The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite. >> >> In practice, maybe two or three? >> >> If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then=20 >> it=E2=80=99s actually interesting to think about this, so let=E2=80=99= s look at it=E2=80=A6=20 >> Of course, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and gets into argumen= ts about what=20 >> it means to encode data on a photon. =C2=A0We have multiple degrees of= =20 >> freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state: >> >> * ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular) >> * time bin (time of arrival) >> * wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny=20 >> differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not= =20 >> talking about WDM) >> * orbital angular momentum (OAM) >> * spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re doin= g free=20 >> space transmission >> >> Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over=20 >> fiber over long distances. =C2=A0Polarization requires=20 >> polarization-preserving fiber. >> >> OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure when/if it will b= e for=20 >> optical individual photons. =C2=A0(I think it=E2=80=99s considered att= ractive for=20 >> classical microwave communication.) >> >> If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having=20 >> the photon in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D. =C2=A0= You can do this for either=20 >> classical info, or quantum superposition. =C2=A0If you have 1,024 time= =20 >> bins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in=20 >> exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is=20 >> very difficult. =C2=A0And I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a= fair=20 >> accounting to say it=E2=80=99s 10 bits per photon; it still takes 1,02= 4 time=20 >> slots to pull this off. =C2=A0But it means that on the rare occasions = that=20 >> your photon is actually received, you get more information. =C2=A0This= =20 >> could be valuable, especially for managing errors. >> >> =E2=80=94Rod >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Qirg mailing list >> Qirg@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Qirg mailing list > Qirg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/qirg --=20 cheers Bill _______________________________________________________ Bill Munro | Optical Science Lab | ,,, NTT Basic Research Labs | (o o) 3-1 Morinosato-Wakamiya, | -oOO-(_)-OOo- Atsugi, Kanagawa 243-0198 | I am the Pentium of Borg Japan | Division is Futile email: bill.munro@me.com | You will be approximated TEL: +81-46-240-3421 | https://www.brl.ntt.co.jp/e/group_013/group_013.html http://www.brl.ntt.co.jp/group/ryouron-g =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --------------B90DB199E7ACBA2B3F4F154D Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Steve,

With the different types of simultaneous encoding, you can carry multiple independent qubits and so more than 2 bits of classical information.

cheers
Bill

Steve Willis wrote:
In addition to the various encoding states of a photon, there=E2=80= =99s also superdense coding (which in a way is the inverse of entanglement). Superdense coding is a protocol that can send two bits of classical data using an entangled qubit. Check out=C2=A0https://youtu.be/w5rCn593Dig=C2=A0fo= r a great explanation.=C2=A0

A question for Rodney: If you have a single photon with multiple types of simultaneous encoding (for example polarization and orbital angular momentum), can you theoretically carry two quantum states? I guess this assumes you can measure e.g. polarization without disturbing OAM - which feels like a serious physics problem.=C2=A0

Applying the superdense protocol and if the multi-encoding photon is practical, you could carry 4 bits of classical information in a single photon (maybe?)=C2=A0

Steve



On Nov 9, 2018, at 1:02 AM, Rodney Van Meter <rdv@sfc.wide.ad.jp> wrote:

Yesterday at the mic, someone mentioned being curious about the maximum number of bits (or qubits) you can carry on a single photon.

The short answer is=E2=80=A6theoretically, infinite.<= br class=3D"">
In practice, maybe two or three?

If loss is your biggest worry (and it is, for single photons), then it=E2=80=99s actually interesting to t= hink about this, so let=E2=80=99s look at it=E2=80=A6 Of c= ourse, =E2=80=9Cinfinite=E2=80=9D is a hack, and gets into a= rguments about what it means to encode data on a photon. =C2=A0We ha= ve multiple degrees of freedom with a photon, each of which can be used to encode a state:

* ordinary polarization (horizontal, vertical, left or right circular)
* time bin (time of arrival)
* wavelelength/frequency/color/energy (all the same thing) (tiny differences can be used here as your 0 and 1 state, so I=E2=80=99m not talking about WDM)
* orbital angular momentum (OAM)
* spatial position/arm (left path, right path), if you=E2=80=99re doing free space transmission

Time bin or frequency are probably the most robust for travel over fiber over long distances. =C2=A0Polarization requires polarization-preserving fiber.

OAM I don=E2=80=99t think is practical yet; not sure = when/if it will be for optical individual photons. =C2=A0(I t= hink it=E2=80=99s considered attractive for classical micr= owave communication.)

If you divide time into 2 time bins, you can carry one bit by having the photon in =E2=80=9Cearly=E2=80=9D= or =E2=80=9Clate=E2=80=9D. =C2=A0You can do this for either classical info, or quantum superposition. =C2=A0If you have 1,024 time b= ins, you can carry 10 bits with one photon by having it appear in exactly one of those time bins, but encoding and decoding that is very difficult. =C2=A0A= nd I would argue that it=E2=80=99s not really a fair accou= nting to say it=E2=80=99s 10 bits per photon; it still take= s 1,024 time slots to pull this off. =C2=A0But it means that = on the rare occasions that your photon is actually received, you get more information. =C2=A0This could = be valuable, especially for managing errors.

=E2=80=94Rod

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--------------B90DB199E7ACBA2B3F4F154D-- From nobody Wed Nov 14 16:14:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: qirg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914491294D0 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:14:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GdK9qRUenxJC for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp [203.178.142.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0303612D4E9 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2018 16:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.12.79] (unknown [58.137.107.2]) by mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F4F9279B93; Thu, 15 Nov 2018 09:14:05 +0900 (JST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3DF0B07C-A621-4140-8CFB-06DFB28C9335" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Rodney Van Meter In-Reply-To: <8428575C-6BFA-40BE-BD7E-2E5CD159AFA0@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 07:14:02 +0700 Cc: Rodney Van Meter , qirg@irtf.org Message-Id: <9F1CD508-F07B-4992-9C77-4F575144517D@sfc.wide.ad.jp> References: <8428575C-6BFA-40BE-BD7E-2E5CD159AFA0@gmail.com> To: Steve Willis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] bits per photon X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 00:14:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_3DF0B07C-A621-4140-8CFB-06DFB28C9335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 14, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Steve Willis wrote: >=20 > In addition to the various encoding states of a photon, there=E2=80=99s = also superdense coding (which in a way is the inverse of entanglement). = Superdense coding is a protocol that can send two bits of classical data = using an entangled qubit. Check out https://youtu.be/w5rCn593Dig = for a great explanation.=20 Superdense coding is very cool (one of the many important things Charlie = Bennett has done). But it=E2=80=99s independent of the physical = representation, and requires only the ability to send a single qubit in = the =E2=80=9Conline=E2=80=9D phase, so it=E2=80=99s independent of the = =E2=80=9Cqubits per photon=E2=80=9D discussion here. Essentially, = superdense coding is =E2=80=9Cprefetching bandwidth=E2=80=9D, to coin an = awkward phrase. There are two phases: the offline (or pre-computation) = phase, and the online phase. (Online and offline here are algorithmic = terms referring to some batch computation done before you have the data = in hand, and the actual long pole bottleneck in your computation once = you have the input data.) In the offline phase, you are stockpiling entanglement with a plan to = use it later during the online phase. If Alice (you) wants to send N = bits, she creates N/2 Bell pairs (entangled states) with Bob and sits on = them, while waiting for the computation of the N bits she wants to send = to complete. Once she has those, she uses two classical bits to choose = operations to perform on each of the N/2 qubits she is still holding. = Then she can send those N/2 qubits to Bob, who now holds N qubits. He = performs joint operations between the qubits he was already holding and = the ones that just arrived, and viola, he recovers N classical bits. In terms of total bandwidth, it=E2=80=99s an accounting trick to say = that it enables you to send only N/2 qubits. But it means you only need = to send N/2 *after* calculating N bits of data, which is kinda cute. >=20 > A question for Rodney: If you have a single photon with multiple types = of simultaneous encoding (for example polarization and orbital angular = momentum), can you theoretically carry two quantum states? I guess this = assumes you can measure e.g. polarization without disturbing OAM - which = feels like a serious physics problem.=20 Yes, you would have to be able to measure both characteristics at once. = Polarization and time bin as separate variables measured at the same = time is pretty easy to wrap your head around, linear polarization + OAM = is harder. >=20 > Applying the superdense protocol and if the multi-encoding photon is = practical, you could carry 4 bits of classical information in a single = photon (maybe?)=20 As above, in a sense, yes. =E2=80=94Rod --Apple-Mail=_3DF0B07C-A621-4140-8CFB-06DFB28C9335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Nov 14, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Steve Willis <srwillis@gmail.com> = wrote:

In addition to the = various encoding states of a photon, there=E2=80=99s also superdense = coding (which in a way is the inverse of entanglement). Superdense = coding is a protocol that can send two bits of classical data using an = entangled qubit. Check out https://youtu.be/w5rCn593Dig for a great = explanation. 

Superdense coding is very cool (one of the many = important things Charlie Bennett has done).  But it=E2=80=99s = independent of the physical representation, and requires only the = ability to send a single qubit in the =E2=80=9Conline=E2=80=9D phase, so = it=E2=80=99s independent of the =E2=80=9Cqubits per photon=E2=80=9D = discussion here.  Essentially, superdense coding is =E2=80=9Cprefetch= ing bandwidth=E2=80=9D, to coin an awkward phrase.  There are two = phases: the offline (or pre-computation) phase, and the online phase. =  (Online and offline here are algorithmic terms referring to some = batch computation done before you have the data in hand, and the actual = long pole bottleneck in your computation once you have the input = data.)

In the offline phase, you are = stockpiling entanglement with a plan to use it later during the online = phase.  If Alice (you) wants to send N bits, she creates N/2 Bell = pairs (entangled states) with Bob and sits on them, while waiting for = the computation of the N bits she wants to send to complete.  Once = she has those, she uses two classical bits to choose operations to = perform on each of the N/2 qubits she is still holding.  Then she = can send those N/2 qubits to Bob, who now holds N qubits.  He = performs joint operations between the qubits he was already holding and = the ones that just arrived, and viola, he recovers N classical = bits.

In terms of total bandwidth, = it=E2=80=99s an accounting trick to say that it enables you to send only = N/2 qubits.  But it means you only need to send N/2 *after* = calculating N bits of data, which is kinda cute.


A question for Rodney: If you have a single photon with = multiple types of simultaneous encoding (for example polarization and = orbital angular momentum), can you theoretically carry two quantum = states? I guess this assumes you can measure e.g. polarization without = disturbing OAM - which feels like a serious physics = problem. 

Yes, you would have to be able to measure both = characteristics at once.  Polarization and time bin as separate = variables measured at the same time is pretty easy to wrap your head = around, linear polarization + OAM is harder.


Applying the superdense protocol and if the multi-encoding = photon is practical, you could carry 4 bits of classical information in = a single photon (maybe?) 

As above, in a sense, yes.

=E2=80=94Rod

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charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <369273daa6d846748348e95572928b21@tudelft.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Qirg] Quantum internet article X-BeenThere: qirg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Quantum Internet \(proposed\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 07:45:53 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:24:39PM +0000, Stephanie Wehner - EWI wrote: > Our article - quantum internet: a vision for the road ahead - mentioned by > Rod earlier on this list is now freely downloadable at > https://qutech.nl/stephanie-wehner-group/wehner-group-publications/ - > scroll to the article and click -> full text -> pdf Hi Stephanie, I tried but Science still wanted me to log in and pay. 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