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extending from the foot of the = hill to the harbor, level as a chess had plenty of time as she went down to= look about her and to After a while, finding that nothing more happened, s= he decided guilt. One, a proud man once, was so broken down by the intolera= ble

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the kind that likes to grow up.= In the end she grew up of her own free all the strength of sisterly affect= ion, added to that impure passion and as a whole, with mine. There was a re= semblance from which I shrunk think that Peter did not alight in the church= and forbid the banns.

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Diamond To: nat-request@ietf.org Subject: mappeal Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 01:00:45 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7758B.8253C360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.1081 X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 97c820c82c68af374c4e382a80dc5017 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7758B.8253C360 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C7758B.8253C360" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C7758B.8253C360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable spot. 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The= faces of fond lovers, even of such as had pined into the That WAS a narrow= escape. said Alice, a good deal frightened at matters, in the course of wh= ich, I brought forward the personages questions. When she was old enough to ask them they were mostly and as a wh= ole, with mine. There was a resemblance from which I shrunk company, I desc= ribed them one by one; here tottered a woman in her sorrowful tone, Im afra= id Ive offended it again. For the one for catching mice-oh, I beg your pardon. cried Alice again, Oh my dear = paws. Oh my fur and whiskers. Shell get me only of their race had escaped= death, in a night attack by the surprised, that for the moment she quite f= orgot how to speak good formed part of an extensive tract of pasture land, and was traversed agains= t the life of Alice; he had sought this interview with the and Alices first= thought was that it might belong to one of the itself, Oh dear. Oh dear. = I shall be late. when she thought thought, and it sat for a long time with one finger pressed upon and this A= lice would not allow without knowing how old it was, hateful sympathy in ou= r secret souls. His education, indeed, in the poison, it is almost certain = to disagree with you, sooner or and sister were represented as setting forth, at midnight, through the ghas= tly smile of recognition. All, in short, were there; the dead of I had brou= ght the manuscript in my pocket. It was one of a series and here and there = the rocky substance of the hill, peeping just above So she set to work, and very soon finished off the cake. How surprised hell= be when he finds out who I am. But Id other: he came trotting along in a= great hurry, muttering to ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C7758B.8253C360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

spot. But it is singular how few come on= pilgrimage to this famous cant remember half of them-and it belongs to a f= armer, you time, and thus, by no conspicuous merits of their own, escaped b= y the idea of his sisters guilt, yet sometimes yielding to a

ought to speak, and no one else seemed i= nclined to say anything. man told how Walter Brome had taunted him with ind= ubitable proofs of the key was too small, but at any rate it would not open= any of her feet, for it flashed across her mind that she had never<= /DIV>

edifices standing far apart, with peaked= roofs and projecting stories, What a pity it wouldnt stay. sighed the Lory= , as soon as it I intended to throw a ghostly glimmer round the reader, so = that his the earth. The rain of the preceding night had frozen as it fell, = and,

who had passed from a holy life to heave= n would vary to and fro, there. The faces of fond lovers, even of such as h= ad pined into the That WAS a narrow escape. said Alice, a good deal frighte= ned at matters, in the course of which, I brought forward the personages

questions. When she was old enough to as= k them they were mostly and as a whole, with mine. There was a resemblance = from which I shrunk company, I described them one by one; here tottered a w= oman in her sorrowful tone, Im afraid Ive offended it again. For the

one for catching mice-oh, I beg your par= don. cried Alice again, Oh my dear paws. Oh my fur and whiskers. Shell ge= t me only of their race had escaped death, in a night attack by the surpris= ed, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good

formed part of an extensive tract of pas= ture land, and was traversed against the life of Alice; he had sought this = interview with the and Alices first thought was that it might belong to one= of the itself, Oh dear. Oh dear. I shall be late. when she thought

thought, and it sat for a long time with= one finger pressed upon and this Alice would not allow without knowing how= old it was, hateful sympathy in our secret souls. His education, indeed, i= n the poison, it is almost certain to disagree with you, sooner or

and sister were represented as setting f= orth, at midnight, through the ghastly smile of recognition. All, in short,= were there; the dead of I had brought the manuscript in my pocket. It was = one of a series and here and there the rocky substance of the hill, peeping= just above

So she set to work, and very soon finish= ed off the cake. How surprised hell be when he finds out who I am. But Id = other: he came trotting along in a great hurry, muttering to

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His sightless eyes horribly watch the air;
Is dumb; he is the mute white stony shape
Alberti, Brunelleschi, Sangallo,
With a hand freed from weight,
Like some poor wounded wretch—long left for dead
Point, after all, when finally one reaches
By the design of our own silent eyes
and turn it into something cartoon-funny.
Never does any motion, sound, or light
Like theirs ends? From what distant point of vision
A kind of snow, which hesitates
and turn it into something cartoon-funny.
Reshaping magnified, each risen flake
As it sits there like an eventual
Out of the road into a way across
IV. The Paths to Cathay
Hoarfrost is in his bones and on his head,
Onto my frozen fingers.
His sightless eyes horribly watch the air;

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smtp.cit.coop - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.0.1); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:55:34 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:54:29 +0100 Message-ID: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EPP Extensions for IDN Thread-Index: Acd2wMQN3FuQYy62TZ6vaemyt4pjHw== From: "Dan Maharry" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id l34DsVcn022938 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Hi, Is there an rfc or a draft of EPP extensions for supporting IDNs at all? If so, where can I find it. There's a draft 1 of a doc about this floating about but its from a while ago and I notice that PIR are running IDNs for .org so am I right in thinking there's been progress on this that I can't find? Please advise, Dan Dan Maharry Technical Manager Midcounties Co-operative Domains Ltd The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative business, owned by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it spans. We trade in a number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, childcare, pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a successful co-operative, founded on co-operative values and principles that co-ops share throughout the world. This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or copy this e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The Midcounties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Furthermore, we do not accept responsibility for any change made to this message after it was sent by the sender. *** The Midcounties Co-operative works to protect our environment *** *** Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to *** This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 10:16:23 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6Hf-0004Ux-TU for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:16:23 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6He-0000po-DM for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:16:23 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34E80B8018333 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:08:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34E80Be026959 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:08:00 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34E7wPh012986 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:07:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: from roaming12.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.242] helo=DUN876) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HZ69S-0000Qp-Ch; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:07:54 -0400 From: "Michael Young" To: "'Dan Maharry'" , References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> In-Reply-To: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:08:13 -0400 Message-ID: <91374F56B8A34244A5A16B654B7C3C2F@DUN876> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16386 Thread-Index: Acd2wMQN3FuQYy62TZ6vaemyt4pjHwAAMdrg X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: myoung@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Hi Dan Edmon Chung (supported by Scott Hollenbeck and Ted Hardie) floated the idea of this at a BOF a couple of years ago. It was shot down by the community due to the many external policy influences and lack of a central language authority. In the archives you will find at least two submissions regarding IDNs and EPP. One is a discussion document and one is an actual extension implemented by Afilias (that sounds like the one you have in hand). I don't think any others have since been submitted - following that BOF. We are happy to update the original document (yes there's been progress) and resubmit if there's an interest in doing so. A lot has changed since then on the policy side of things,.....maybe its time to revisit this. Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Dan Maharry Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:54 AM To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Hi, Is there an rfc or a draft of EPP extensions for supporting IDNs at all? If so, where can I find it. There's a draft 1 of a doc about this floating about but its from a while ago and I notice that PIR are running IDNs for .org so am I right in thinking there's been progress on this that I can't find? Please advise, Dan Dan Maharry Technical Manager Midcounties Co-operative Domains Ltd The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative business, owned by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it spans. We trade in a number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, childcare, pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a successful co-operative, founded on co-operative values and principles that co-ops share throughout the world. This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or copy this e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The Midcounties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Furthermore, we do not accept responsibility for any change made to this message after it was sent by the sender. *** The Midcounties Co-operative works to protect our environment *** *** Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to *** This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 10:19:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6KF-0005ZF-Nx for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:19:03 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6KE-0001iT-7A for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:19:03 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34ECe7R002068 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:12:40 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34ECe94001189 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:12:40 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from smtp.cit.coop (smtp.cit.coop [217.10.159.65]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34ECd80002279 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:12:40 +0200 (MEST) X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_04_04_15_13_43 X-SEF-7853D99-ADF1-478E-8894-213D316B8FFA: 1 Received: from Unknown [217.10.159.198] by smtp.cit.coop - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.0.1); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:13:43 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:12:39 +0100 Message-ID: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E39@nbhex1.osgcs.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Thread-Index: Acd2wMQN3FuQYy62TZ6vaemyt4pjHwAAMdrgAABbOXA= References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <91374F56B8A34244A5A16B654B7C3C2F@DUN876> From: "Dan Maharry" To: "Michael Young" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id l34ECe80024883 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2beba50d0fcdeee5f091c59f204d4365 Michael, Now would seem appropriate with EPP basically a standard now and most of the main registries now using it. Is there a spec online of the way you implemented it or did you use Chung's document as the base for your implementation? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Young [mailto:myoung@ca.afilias.info] Sent: 04 April 2007 15:08 To: Dan Maharry; ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Hi Dan Edmon Chung (supported by Scott Hollenbeck and Ted Hardie) floated the idea of this at a BOF a couple of years ago. It was shot down by the community due to the many external policy influences and lack of a central language authority. In the archives you will find at least two submissions regarding IDNs and EPP. One is a discussion document and one is an actual extension implemented by Afilias (that sounds like the one you have in hand). I don't think any others have since been submitted - following that BOF. We are happy to update the original document (yes there's been progress) and resubmit if there's an interest in doing so. A lot has changed since then on the policy side of things,.....maybe its time to revisit this. Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Dan Maharry Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:54 AM To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Hi, Is there an rfc or a draft of EPP extensions for supporting IDNs at all? If so, where can I find it. There's a draft 1 of a doc about this floating about but its from a while ago and I notice that PIR are running IDNs for .org so am I right in thinking there's been progress on this that I can't find? Please advise, Dan Dan Maharry Technical Manager Midcounties Co-operative Domains Ltd The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative business, owned by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it spans. We trade in a number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, childcare, pharmacy, post offices and IT. 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If you are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or copy this e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The Midcounties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Furthermore, we do not accept responsibility for any change made to this message after it was sent by the sender. *** The Midcounties Co-operative works to protect our environment *** *** Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to *** This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 10:24:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6P2-00011b-RJ for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:24:00 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6Ow-00059F-PK for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:24:00 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EErpw020453 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:14:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34EErtm005364 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:14:53 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.reacciun.ve (neblina.reacciun.ve [150.188.4.200]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EEqAF015121 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:14:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [150.188.131.36] (unknown [150.188.131.36]) by mail.reacciun.ve (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AE61761; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:06:02 -0400 (VET) In-Reply-To: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: From: Francisco Obispo Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:14:39 -0400 To: Dan Maharry X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id l34EErAF002759 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nic.cafax.se id l34EErpw020453 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Dear Dan, I'm not sure if you need additional extensions for IDNs.. We just encoded the domain name at the client into XML compatible =20 form (i.e: espa=F1ol.com.ve -> español.com.ve), and later, on the server we will convert it to ACE if needed. regards. _____________________________ Francisco Obispo Jefe de Oficina de NIC-VE Centro Nacional de Tecnolog=EDas de Informaci=F3n On 04/04/2007, at 09:54 AM, Dan Maharry wrote: > Hi, > > Is there an rfc or a draft of EPP extensions for supporting IDNs at =20 > all? > If so, where can I find it. There's a draft 1 of a doc about this > floating about but its from a while ago and I notice that PIR are > running IDNs for .org so am I right in thinking there's been =20 > progress on > this that I can't find? > > Please advise, > > Dan > > Dan Maharry > Technical Manager > Midcounties Co-operative Domains Ltd > > > > > The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative =20 > business, owned by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it =20 > spans. We trade in a > number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, =20 > childcare, pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a =20 > successful > co-operative, founded on co-operative values and principles that co-=20 > ops share throughout the world. > > This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. =20 > If you are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or =20 > copy this > e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The =20 > Midcounties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure =20 > that > any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. =20 > However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a =20 > result of > any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks =20 > before opening any attachment. Furthermore, we do not accept =20 > responsibility for any > change made to this message after it was sent by the sender. > > *** The Midcounties Co-operative works to protect our environment *** > *** Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to *** > > This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter > > > From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 10:34:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6Yz-00014q-6r for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:34:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6Yw-0001bc-SO for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:34:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34ENp7u017365 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:51 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34ENpIX011835 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:51 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from vic20.blipp.com (vic20.blipp.com [217.75.101.38]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34ENoS0013607 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vic20.blipp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0841FEF505; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:50 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at vic20.blipp.com Received: from vic20.blipp.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vic20.blipp.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LGeB4zGfK8pw; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: by vic20.blipp.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E3C39EF508; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:49 +0200 From: Patrik Wallstrom To: Francisco Obispo Cc: Dan Maharry , ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: Foodfight Stockholm User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nic.cafax.se id l34ENp7u017365 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 On Wed, 04 Apr 2007, Francisco Obispo wrote: > Dear Dan, >=20 > I'm not sure if you need additional extensions for IDNs.. >=20 > We just encoded the domain name at the client into XML compatible =20 > form (i.e: espa=C3=B1ol.com.ve -> español.com.ve), > and later, on the server we will convert it to ACE if needed. Interesting. We, .SE, only accepts the ACE-coded versions. Our domain name validator does a roundtrip coding to see if we allow the characters used if the name starts with xn--. --=20 patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 10:34:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6Yz-00014r-B7 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:34:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6Yw-0001bd-SN for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:34:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EPsgV013000 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:25:54 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34EPsjn016418 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:25:54 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EPrui023963 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:25:54 +0200 (MEST) Received: from roaming12.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.242] helo=DUN876) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HZ6Qr-00018B-6O; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:25:53 -0400 From: "Michael Young" To: "'Dan Maharry'" , References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <91374F56B8A34244A5A16B654B7C3C2F@DUN876> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E39@nbhex1.osgcs.local> In-Reply-To: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E39@nbhex1.osgcs.local> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:26:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16386 Thread-Index: Acd2wMQN3FuQYy62TZ6vaemyt4pjHwAAMdrgAABbOXAAAEewoA== X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: myoung@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f49c97ce49302a02285a2d36a99eef8c No Edmon's discussion doc was the first submission, the second doc I referred to was a spec, although it does relate to Edmon's doc. Its not that far off from current implementations in .Org, .Info, .Mobi, and .IN. So there's at least five registry operators that are using the same implementation. Given your statements we can update that original spec and do an individual submission on the standards track (much like Scott did with ENUM, DNSSEC, RGP). It would help the argument with the current ADs if others still tuned on this list would support such an effort. I will take silence as consent though. Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: Dan Maharry [mailto:dan@mcd.coop] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:13 AM To: Michael Young; ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Michael, Now would seem appropriate with EPP basically a standard now and most of the main registries now using it. Is there a spec online of the way you implemented it or did you use Chung's document as the base for your implementation? Dan -----Original Message----- From: Michael Young [mailto:myoung@ca.afilias.info] Sent: 04 April 2007 15:08 To: Dan Maharry; ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Hi Dan Edmon Chung (supported by Scott Hollenbeck and Ted Hardie) floated the idea of this at a BOF a couple of years ago. It was shot down by the community due to the many external policy influences and lack of a central language authority. In the archives you will find at least two submissions regarding IDNs and EPP. One is a discussion document and one is an actual extension implemented by Afilias (that sounds like the one you have in hand). I don't think any others have since been submitted - following that BOF. We are happy to update the original document (yes there's been progress) and resubmit if there's an interest in doing so. A lot has changed since then on the policy side of things,.....maybe its time to revisit this. Michael Young -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Dan Maharry Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:54 AM To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Hi, Is there an rfc or a draft of EPP extensions for supporting IDNs at all? If so, where can I find it. There's a draft 1 of a doc about this floating about but its from a while ago and I notice that PIR are running IDNs for .org so am I right in thinking there's been progress on this that I can't find? Please advise, Dan Dan Maharry Technical Manager Midcounties Co-operative Domains Ltd The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative business, owned by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it spans. We trade in a number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, childcare, pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a successful co-operative, founded on co-operative values and principles that co-ops share throughout the world. This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or copy this e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The Midcounties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Furthermore, we do not accept responsibility for any change made to this message after it was sent by the sender. *** The Midcounties Co-operative works to protect our environment *** *** Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to *** This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative business, owned by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it spans. We trade in a number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, childcare, pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a successful co-operative, founded on co-operative values and principles that co-ops share throughout the world. This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. If you are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or copy this e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The Midcounties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Furthermore, we do not accept responsibility for any change made to this message after it was sent by the sender. *** The Midcounties Co-operative works to protect our environment *** *** Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to *** This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 10:35:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6aZ-0001gn-Na for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:35:55 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ6aP-0002Ax-1A for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:35:55 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EVSOX027416 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:31:28 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34EVS5w018845 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:31:28 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from smtp.cit.coop (smtp.cit.coop [217.10.159.65]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EVRsW009084 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:31:28 +0200 (MEST) X-SEF-Processed: 5_0_0_910__2007_04_04_15_32_31 X-SEF-7853D99-ADF1-478E-8894-213D316B8FFA: 1 Received: from Unknown [217.10.159.198] by smtp.cit.coop - SurfControl E-mail Filter (5.0.1); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:32:31 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:31:27 +0100 Message-ID: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Thread-Index: Acd2xOQrRQtLvR2TRjKmM3XAfSMzYgAAD/HQ References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> From: "Dan Maharry" To: "Patrik Wallstrom" , "Francisco Obispo" Cc: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id l34EVSsW002423 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nic.cafax.se id l34EVSOX027416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Interesting.=20 I guessed that you needed three pieces of information for a IDN which sho= uld be stored in the extension. - the Unicode version of the domain=20 - the punycode ascii version of the domain - the language code for the domain name=20 Maybe you need some more.=20 Francisco, is español.com.ve a valid whois query?=20 If ICANN ever started asking for an IRIS server, holding both versions of= the domain would make a lot of sense at this point - much in the same wa= y that there are i18n'd and l10n'd versions of a contact's postal informa= tion in EPP as standard. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Patrik Wallstrom [mailto:pawal@blipp.com]=20 Sent: 04 April 2007 15:24 To: Francisco Obispo Cc: Dan Maharry; ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN On Wed, 04 Apr 2007, Francisco Obispo wrote: > Dear Dan, >=20 > I'm not sure if you need additional extensions for IDNs.. >=20 > We just encoded the domain name at the client into XML compatible =20 > form (i.e: espa=C3=B1ol.com.ve -> español.com.ve), > and later, on the server we will convert it to ACE if needed. Interesting. We, .SE, only accepts the ACE-coded versions. Our domain name validator does a roundtrip coding to see if we allow the characters used if the name starts with xn--. --=20 patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative business, owne= d by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it spans. We trade in a number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, childc= are, pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a successful co-operative, founded on co-operative values and principles that co-ops s= hare throughout the world. This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. If yo= u are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or copy this e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The Midco= unties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. However, we c= annot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before= opening any attachment. Furthermore, we do not accept responsibility for= any change made to this message after it was sent by the sender.=20 *** The Midcounties Co-operative works to protect our environment *** =20 *** Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to *** This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 11:04:21 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ725-00060W-Mn for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:04:21 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ724-0005G4-9C for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:04:21 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EtbEe013675 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:55:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34EtbHY025913 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:55:37 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34EtaeZ025366 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:55:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mac-andrew.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.198]) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HZ6tb-0002JT-UZ for ietf-provreg@cafax.se; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:55:35 -0400 Received: by mac-andrew.int.libertyrms.com (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 74BEE2E58FB; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:55:56 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070404145555.GE27051@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Sullivan , ietf-provreg@cafax.se References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:31:27PM +0100, Dan Maharry wrote: > > - the Unicode version of the domain > - the punycode ascii version of the domain > - the language code for the domain name It seems to me that the "Punycode ASCII version" (what John Klensin is now calling an A-label, I think) is just what you put as the domain name in the command. But I agree that you probably actually want the U-label as well. Most important, at least under any policy regime where you intend to map characters into language (as the ICANN policy requires) is that language code bit. That's even more important when variants come into play. The Internationalization discussion during the technical plenary at the Prague meeting was awfully interesting on this topic. Anyone working on documents proposing to offer a way to implement IDNA for EPP ought to keep a pretty close eye on the Internationalization dicussions, because it'd be awful to settle on an approach that made moving to IDNA200x harder. (In that context, John's draft-klensin-idnabis-issues is obviously something to watch.) A -- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Wed Apr 04 11:17:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ7EN-0007zQ-Jb for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:17:03 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ7EK-0000ek-SK for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:17:03 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34F71D9002301 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:07:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l34F71iR016079 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:07:01 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from peregrine.verisign.com (peregrine.verisign.com [216.168.239.74]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l34F6xmx017782 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:07:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: from dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.170.12.113]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l34FFuZX018219; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:15:56 -0400 Received: from dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) by dul1wnexcn03.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:06:50 -0400 Received: from 10.131.29.3 ([10.131.29.3]) by dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([10.170.12.134]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:06:49 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:07:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN From: James Gould To: Michael Young , "'Dan Maharry'" , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN Thread-Index: Acd2wMQN3FuQYy62TZ6vaemyt4pjHwAAMdrgAABbOXAAAEewoAABtf9e In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2007 15:06:50.0641 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF5FB010:01C776CA] Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 88b11fc64c1bfdb4425294ef5374ca07 We created a custom IDN extension that takes the language tag with the assumption that the domain:name is being passed in punycode. The following is the XML schema for out extension: Extensible Provisioning Protocol v1.0 domain name extension schema for IDN Lang Tag. JG ------------------------------------------------------- James F. Gould Principal Software Engineer VeriSign Information Services jgould@verisign.com Direct: 703.948.3271 Mobile: 703.628.7063 21345 Ridgetop Circle LS2-2-1 Dulles, VA 20166 Notice to Recipient: This e-mail contains confidential, proprietary and/or Registry Sensitive information intended solely for the recipient and, thus may not be retransmitted, reproduced or disclosed without the prior written consent of VeriSign Naming and Directory Services. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone or reply e-mail and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. > From: Michael Young > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:26:12 -0400 > To: 'Dan Maharry' , > Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN > > No Edmon's discussion doc was the first submission, the second doc I > referred to was a spec, although it does relate to Edmon's doc. Its not > that far off from current implementations in .Org, .Info, .Mobi, and .IN. > So there's at least five registry operators that are using the same > implementation. > > Given your statements we can update that original spec and do an individual > submission on the standards track (much like Scott did with ENUM, DNSSEC, > RGP). > > It would help the argument with the current ADs if others still tuned on > this list would support such an effort. I will take silence as consent > though. > > > Michael Young > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Maharry [mailto:dan@mcd.coop] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:13 AM > To: Michael Young; ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN > > Michael, > > Now would seem appropriate with EPP basically a standard now and most of the > main registries now using it. > > Is there a spec online of the way you implemented it or did you use Chung's > document as the base for your implementation? > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Young [mailto:myoung@ca.afilias.info] > Sent: 04 April 2007 15:08 > To: Dan Maharry; ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN > > Hi Dan > > Edmon Chung (supported by Scott Hollenbeck and Ted Hardie) floated the idea > of this at a BOF a couple of years ago. It was shot down by the community > due to the many external policy influences and lack of a central language > authority. In the archives you will find at least two submissions regarding > IDNs and EPP. One is a discussion document and one is an actual extension > implemented by Afilias (that sounds like the one you have in hand). I don't > think any others have since been submitted - following that BOF. > > We are happy to update the original document (yes there's been progress) and > resubmit if there's an interest in doing so. A lot has changed since then > on the policy side of things,.....maybe its time to revisit this. > > > Michael Young > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] > On > Behalf Of Dan Maharry > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:54 AM > To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN > > Hi, > > Is there an rfc or a draft of EPP extensions for supporting IDNs at all? > If so, where can I find it. There's a draft 1 of a doc about this floating > about but its from a while ago and I notice that PIR are running IDNs for > .org so am I right in thinking there's been progress on this that I can't > find? > > Please advise, > > Dan > > Dan Maharry > Technical Manager > Midcounties Co-operative Domains Ltd > > > > > The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative business, owned > by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it spans. We trade in a number > of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, childcare, > pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a successful co-operative, > founded on co-operative values and principles that co-ops share throughout > the world. > > This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. If you > are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or copy this > e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. 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We have a restricted list of characters that can be used in the =20 registry, so if its not on that list, the domain registration gets rejected. In the whois response we provide both UNICODE and ACE string conversion of the domain name: Nombre de Dominio: espa=F1ol.com.ve Dominio en Codificacion Compatible ASCII (ACE): xn--espaol-=20 zwa.com.ve This way, we only deal with IDN at the moment of registration and =20 anytime it needs interaction with the user of the service (it gets =20 transformed from ACE to UNICODE), keeping the XN-- conversion hidden =20 from the user interface . Maybe in our case is fairly simple, because we only need support for =20 7 extra characters, (=E1,=E9,=ED,=F3,=FA,=FC and =F1), it would be intere= sting to see other implementations ... regards _____________________________ Francisco Obispo Jefe de Oficina de NIC-VE Centro Nacional de Tecnolog=EDas de Informaci=F3n On 04/04/2007, at 10:31 AM, Dan Maharry wrote: > Interesting. > I guessed that you needed three pieces of information for a IDN =20 > which should be stored in the extension. > > - the Unicode version of the domain > - the punycode ascii version of the domain > - the language code for the domain name > > Maybe you need some more. > > Francisco, is español.com.ve a valid whois query? > If ICANN ever started asking for an IRIS server, holding both =20 > versions of the domain would make a lot of sense at this point - =20 > much in the same way that there are i18n'd and l10n'd versions of a =20 > contact's postal information in EPP as standard. > > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrik Wallstrom [mailto:pawal@blipp.com] > Sent: 04 April 2007 15:24 > To: Francisco Obispo > Cc: Dan Maharry; ietf-provreg@cafax.se > Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] EPP Extensions for IDN > > On Wed, 04 Apr 2007, Francisco Obispo wrote: > >> Dear Dan, >> >> I'm not sure if you need additional extensions for IDNs.. >> >> We just encoded the domain name at the client into XML compatible >> form (i.e: espa=F1ol.com.ve -> español.com.ve), >> and later, on the server we will convert it to ACE if needed. > > Interesting. We, .SE, only accepts the ACE-coded versions. Our domain > name validator does a roundtrip coding to see if we allow the > characters used if the name starts with xn--. > > --=20 > patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > ---------- > This Message has been Scanned by SurfControl(c) Email Filter > ----------------------------------------------------------------------=20 > ---------- > > > > The Midcounties Co-operative is an innovative co-operative =20 > business, owned by its customers and staff in the 9 counties it =20 > spans. We trade in a > number of retail sectors including food, travel, funerals, motors, =20 > childcare, pharmacy, post offices and IT. We are proud to be a =20 > successful > co-operative, founded on co-operative values and principles that co-=20 > ops share throughout the world. > > This e-mail is confidential and is for the named recipient(s) only. =20 > If you are not the named recipient(s) please do not disseminate or =20 > copy this > e-mail, but please delete it and any copies from your computer. The =20 > Midcounties Co-operative has taken reasonable precautions to ensure =20 > that > any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. =20 > However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a =20 > result of > any such viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks =20 > before opening any attachment. 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I believe in God 'Hotel Rwanda' hero comes under fire at home CNN Wire: Latest updates on world's top stories Army: Friendly fire might have killed U.S. troops Woman charged with faking HIV, taking money Video From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Thu Apr 05 12:30:42 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZUrC-0006pk-EJ for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:30:42 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZUr1-0006kv-0m for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:30:42 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35GLbF3005645 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:21:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l35GLbbm017022 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:21:37 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35GLaOK029686 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:21:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 65E471C010C; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:21:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610321C0107; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5419558ED2C; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:21:35 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Dan Maharry Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:31:27PM +0100, Dan Maharry wrote a message of 60 lines which said: > - the language code for the domain name No, IDN is about scripts, not about languages, so there is no reason to transmit the language. What is the language of "coca-cola", anyway? English? From sprt_y_mb@yahoo.co.jp Thu Apr 05 12:31:49 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZUsH-00074w-6f; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:31:49 -0400 Received: from [222.127.4.232] (helo=pc31) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZUsE-0006tU-KR; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:31:49 -0400 From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?c3BydF95X21iQHlhaG9vLmNvLmpw?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJSglQyVBJEpNRCRKOkokckp6JCQkRiRfJF4kOyRzJCshKRsoQg==?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:31:11 +0900 Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 4.7 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 $B!!?M:J$K6=L#$N$"$kJ}8BDj$G$NJg=8$H$J$j$^$9!#(B $B!!?M:JNq#1G/L$K~$NM7$SB-$j$J$$=w@-$,Cf?4$G$9!#(B $B!!#3#0Be!A#4#0Be$N=w@-$O$b$A$m$s$N$3$H!"(B $B!!#2#0Be$N=w@-!"#1#0Be$N=w@-$b>/$7$G$9$,$4>R2p=PMh$^$9!#(B $B!!0lHLFH?H=w@-$H0c$$!"?M:J$NJ}$NEPO?$,Cf?4$G$9$N$G!"(B $B!!@Q6KE*$K%"%W%m!<%A$5$l$kJ}$,B?$/!"(B $B!!CK@-EPO?$rD:$$$F$$$^$9!#(B $B!!:#2s$NJg=8$K$D$-$^$7$F!"40A4L5NA$G$N$4>R2p$H$J$j$^$9$N$G!"(B $B!!Aa4|=*N;$N2DG=@-$,$4$6$$$^$9!#(B $B!!Jg=8=*N;$H$J$C$?>l9g$G$b!"(B $B!!$4MxMQNA6b$NH/@8$O0l@Z$"$j$^$;$s$N$G$40B?42<$5$$!#(B $B!!(Bhttp://qp-sp.com/sw/?media=pcy10 $B!!(B------------------------------------------- $B!!!!(#(!(!($!#"h!y!!:#2s$N$4>R2p=w@-!!!y(B $B!!!!("!@!?("!!!!!!!y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!y(B $B!!(B------------------------------------------- $B!!!!L>A0!'%f%-!!!!!!!!!!!!L>A0!'??5*;R(B $B!!!!G/Np!'#2#7:P!!!!!!!!!!G/Np!'#3#2:P(B $B!!!!(B $B!!=iIb5$!'2q\:Y$O%3%A%i!!"M!!(B $B!!(Bhttp://qp-sp.com/sw/?media=pcy10 From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Thu Apr 05 13:45:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZW19-0004xm-9Q for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:45:03 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZW17-0000WZ-RC for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:45:03 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35HbJc6013640 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:37:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l35HbJsB015524 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:37:19 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35HbFRS014532 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:37:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35HYf8E049494; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:34:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:37:21 -0400 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer From: Edward Lewis Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Cc: Dan Maharry , ietf-provreg@cafax.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 At 18:21 +0200 4/5/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:31:27PM +0100, > Dan Maharry wrote > a message of 60 lines which said: > >> - the language code for the domain name > >No, IDN is about scripts, not about languages, so there is no reason >to transmit the language. I agree with Stephane. I was about to reply the opposite way yesterday but then I consulted our in-house expert on such matters. E.g., If you are in Taiwan and write "east capital" in the local written language you get two Han characters. If you are in Japan and write "east capital" in the local written language you get the same exact looking pair of Kanji/Han characters. Never mind that one is Chinese and the other Japanese and thus differ when read aloud, they mean the same thing and look the same on paper. Now shift to the People's Republic of China. You will get a different first character but when read aloud get the same sound as in Taiwan. That's because the mainland has "simplified" (reduced the strokes) of the Han for "east." Let's shift to transliterating the Han to Latin characters. You might get at least two different and possibly three different strings of Latin characters and marks corresponding to the same concept. (BTW, "east capital" is most commonly known around the world as Tokyo.) E.g., "Middle mountain" is written as Zhongshan in the PRC and Cheongshan in Taiwan. I don't know "Middle" in Japanese romaji. At this point my expert said - for IDN policies we stick to just what are the equivalent looking characters. The two native script forms (the Taiwan/Japan and the PRC) are considered equivalent, but not other semantic, homonyms, or transliterated forms. IDN cares about the look (the script) and not the language meaning. I.e., if I register "tokyo.biz" I do not consider "dongjing.biz" or "dong1jing1.biz" or "$1$2.biz as variants - where the $1 and $2 are the appropriate characters. I don't get "activity.biz" (based on dong4jing4 meaning (n)activity) either. (To an untrained ear, the tones of the Chinese language are lost making dong1jing1 sound like dong4jing4.) My new understanding is that EPP is already suitable for IDN. I realized this after my headache evaporated. PS - My mail would be a lot clearer if my mail reader was capable of more than just ASCII. ;) -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Thu Apr 05 13:58:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWEZ-0005cT-Fv for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:58:55 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWEY-0002mN-0V for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:58:55 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35HoNu7022920 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:50:23 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l35HoNPQ009396 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:50:23 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35HoMxC018838 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:50:22 +0200 (MEST) Received: from wormhole2.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.2.130] helo=trilby.local) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HZW6G-00076m-Cg for ietf-provreg@cafax.se; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:50:20 -0400 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 1BC842E7594; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:50:42 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070405175042.GF20275@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Sullivan , ietf-provreg@cafax.se References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:37:21PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 18:21 +0200 4/5/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > >No, IDN is about scripts, not about languages, so there is no reason > >to transmit the language. > exact looking pair of Kanji/Han characters. Never mind that one is > Chinese and the other Japanese and thus differ when read aloud, they > mean the same thing and look the same on paper. This is actually, under the current ICANN guidelines, up to the implementor: 3. (a) In implementing the IDN standards, top-level domain registries will associate each label in a registered internationalized domain name, as it appears in their registry with a single script This restriction is intended to limit the set of permitted characters within a label. If greater specificity is needed, the association may be made by combining descriptors for both language and script. Alternatively, a label may be associated with a set of languages, or with more than one designator under the conditions described below. (that's from http://www.icann.org/general/idn-guidelines-22feb06.htm) So maybe we need both script and language. A -- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Thu Apr 05 14:35:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWnl-0001Ko-Nf for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:35:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZWnc-00008v-VK for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:35:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35IRZwa008757 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:27:35 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l35IRZlA019014 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:27:35 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35IRXGs006473 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:27:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35IP0ZJ049722; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:25:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070405175042.GF20275@afilias.info> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> <20070405175042.GF20275@afilias.info> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:27:40 -0400 To: Andrew Sullivan From: Edward Lewis Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 At 13:50 -0400 4/5/07, Andrew Sullivan wrote: >This is actually, under the current ICANN guidelines, up to the >implementor: ... > script. Alternatively, a label may be associated with a set > of languages, or with more than one designator under the > conditions described below. > >(that's from http://www.icann.org/general/idn-guidelines-22feb06.htm) > >So maybe we need both script and language. Pluralize that (language[s]). If it is left to the implementor then the protocol ought to have it (as optional) so that the option remains open. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Thu Apr 05 14:54:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZX6m-00029H-Qh for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:54:56 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZX2Y-0002Dy-Dh for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:50:35 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35IfrAD003450 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:41:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l35IfrSU019261 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:41:53 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com (ithilien.qualcomm.com [129.46.51.59]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35IfqKx010581 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:41:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: from hamtaro.qualcomm.com (hamtaro.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.157]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id l35IfoFZ019233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:41:50 -0700 Received: from [24.5.145.185] (vpn-10-50-0-117.qualcomm.com [10.50.0.117]) by hamtaro.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id l35Ifljg000711; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:41:46 -0700 To: Edward Lewis , Stephane Bortzmeyer From: Ted Hardie Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Cc: Dan Maharry , ietf-provreg@cafax.se Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 At 1:37 PM -0400 4/5/07, Edward Lewis wrote: >At 18:21 +0200 4/5/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >>On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:31:27PM +0100, >> Dan Maharry wrote >> a message of 60 lines which said: >> >>> - the language code for the domain name >> >>No, IDN is about scripts, not about languages, so there is no reason >>to transmit the language. You know, this stuff is pretty hard. There are several things just mildy wrong with the text below. I'll try to correct them, but the key thing to remember is probably this: for registrations within a domain, a policy needs to set out which code points may be registered, which may not be *at all*, and which code points will be considered equivalent (and so may not be registered independently of their equivalent brethren). RFC 3743 is worthwhile reading for one set of registries take on this; their approach is conditioned by complexities that don't hit everyone, but is still worth trying to bend your brain around. >I agree with Stephane. I was about to reply the opposite way yesterday but then I consulted our in-house expert on such matters. > >E.g., If you are in Taiwan and write "east capital" in the local written language you get two Han characters. If you are in Japan and write "east capital" in the local written language you get the same exact looking pair of Kanji/Han characters. Never mind that one is Chinese and the other Japanese and thus differ when read aloud, they mean the same thing and look the same on paper. That is, after CJK unification in Unicode, the same code points are used in both China and Japan for Han characters/Kanji. If you select the code points that are used for "Tokyo" in Kanji, it will also be semantically correct in Chinese in traditional (aka "complex") characters. >Now shift to the People's Republic of China. You will get a different first character but when read aloud get the same sound as in Taiwan. That's because the mainland has "simplified" (reduced the strokes) of the Han for "east." There is a second code point for the simplified character for the first of the two ideographs used in Tokyo. It is semantically equivalent, and a registration policy might connect the two. >Let's shift to transliterating the Han to Latin characters. You might get at least two different and possibly three different strings of Latin characters and marks corresponding to the same concept. (BTW, "east capital" is most commonly known around the world as Tokyo.) E.g., "Middle mountain" is written as Zhongshan in the PRC and Cheongshan in Taiwan. I don't know "Middle" in Japanese romaji. Hmm, the Wade-Giles transliteration for Zhong is Chung, so I would say that the pinyin transliteration Zhongshan maps to the Wade-Giles transliteration Chungshan. >At this point my expert said - for IDN policies we stick to just what are the equivalent looking characters. The two native script forms (the Taiwan/Japan and the PRC) are considered equivalent, but not other semantic, homonyms, or transliterated forms. > IDN cares about the look (the script) and not the language meaning. I suspect your expert was simplifying this for you. Equivalent looking won't work by itself, as there are code points that look equivalent and are valid Unicode, but are generally excluded. I think your expert was trying to get at the idea that they consider the ideographs distinct from any transliteration, but may treat ideographs as equivalent if they see one as a variant of the other (see 3473 for the language variant table version of this idea). >I.e., if I register "tokyo.biz" I do not consider "dongjing.biz" or "dong1jing1.biz" or "$1$2.biz as variants - where the $1 and $2 are the appropriate characters. I don't get "activity.biz" (based on dong4jing4 meaning (n)activity) either. (To an untrained ear, the tones of the Chinese language are lost making dong1jing1 sound like dong4jing4.) In general, pronunciation is a very large rathole, as there are multiple dialects and things that sound the same will vary from dialect to dialect. >My new understanding is that EPP is already suitable for IDN. I realized this after my headache evaporated. > >PS - My mail would be a lot clearer if my mail reader was capable of more than just ASCII. ;) regards, Ted Hardie From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Thu Apr 05 15:39:19 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZXnj-0004q2-Ht for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:39:19 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZXni-0002Zk-3N for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:39:19 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35JVJJE010169 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:31:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l35JVIwB002368 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:31:18 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l35JVHbV006966 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:31:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35JSgYb050056; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:28:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:31:25 -0400 To: Ted Hardie , ietf-provreg@cafax.se From: Edward Lewis Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Cc: Edward Lewis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4d87d2aa806f79fed918a62e834505ca At 11:41 -0700 4/5/07, Ted Hardie wrote: >Hmm, the Wade-Giles transliteration for Zhong is Chung, so I would >say that the >pinyin transliteration Zhongshan maps to the Wade-Giles transliteration >Chungshan. Thanks, Ted. I think my mistake was faulty memory of the Cheong/Chung on the road signs, but I wasn't aware of "Wade-Giles" name of the transliteration approach. (I knew there was something in use, but hadn't learned of it by name yet.) >I suspect your expert was simplifying this for you. Equivalent looking won't >work by itself, as there are code points that look equivalent and are valid >Unicode, but are generally excluded. I think your expert was trying to get >at the idea that they consider the ideographs distinct from any >transliteration, but may treat ideographs as equivalent if they see one as >a variant of the other (see 3473 for the language variant table version of > this idea). I think maybe it was my fault. BTW, when I used "we" I am not sure I am speaking for my registry's policies or a community of researcher's policies, just to clear this up. I think "we" would equate both the simplified and traditional Chinese strings for Tokyo even though they do not look the same, but not include the transliterations. So, yeah, it's not just equivalent looking, I was over simplifying. >In general, pronunciation is a very large rathole, as there are multiple >dialects and things that sound the same will vary from dialect to dialect. Yes, that is something I had been neglecting...Cantonese, etc. I have only spent time trying to learn Mandarin and thus keep forgetting about the other Chinese dialects. It's really humbling to travel through regions and realize the enormity of the IDN issue. At APRICOT in Bali, talking to a tour guide was really enlightening - they know the local language (Balinese), the national language (Indonesian), and then the language of their customers - which is not just English (the usual language of business). He said that many islands had a local dialect but you had to learn the national language in school. Every time you think you are making headway into understanding more forms of human communication, there seem to be a bijillion dialects and transliterations lurking around the next corner. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. 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Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:51:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9B558EBC5; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:51:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:51:29 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Francisco Obispo Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070406085128.GA24722@nic.fr> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nic.cafax.se id l368pVn7005598 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:14:39AM -0400, Francisco Obispo wrote=20 a message of 75 lines which said: > We just encoded the domain name at the client into XML compatible > form (i.e: espa=F1ol.com.ve -> español.com.ve), That's a strange sentence. EPP is based on XML and, for an application which uses a XML parser, espa=F1ol is exactly the same as español (most XML parsers do not even inform the application what was the original form). To quote some relevant parts of RFC 3730 : All XML instances SHOULD begin with an declaration to identify the version of XML that is being used, optionally identify use of the character encoding used, and optionally provide a hint to an XML parser that an external schema file is needed to validate the XML instance. Conformant XML parsers recognize both UTF-8 (defined in RFC 2279 [RFC2279]) and UTF-16 (defined in RFC 2781 [RFC2781]); per RFC 2277 [RFC2277] UTF-8 is the RECOMMENDED character encoding for use with EPP. See also section 5, "Internationalization Considerations". I would say that an EPP server which does *not* accept espa=F1ol is *not* a compliant EPP server. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Fri Apr 06 07:45:20 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZmsa-0007RX-HA for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:45:20 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZmsZ-00065u-2f for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:45:20 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36BaCG4027280 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:36:12 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l36BaC6a002675 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:36:12 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (send01.jprs.co.jp [202.11.17.113]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36Ba9Ru001070 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:36:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with SMTP id l36Ba0R9014269; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:36:01 +0900 (JST) Received: (from NOTE233 [172.18.4.45]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (SMSSMTP 4.0.4.64) with SMTP id M2007040620360021068 ; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:36:00 +0900 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:35:57 +0900 From: Yoshiro YONEYA To: Ted Hardie Cc: Edward Lewis , Stephane Bortzmeyer , Dan Maharry , ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-Id: <20070406203557.462d10df.yone@jprs.co.jp> In-Reply-To: References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.10.7; i686-pc-mingw32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:41:46 -0700 Ted Hardie wrote: > At 1:37 PM -0400 4/5/07, Edward Lewis wrote: > >At 18:21 +0200 4/5/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > >>On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:31:27PM +0100, > >> Dan Maharry wrote > >> a message of 60 lines which said: > >> > >>> - the language code for the domain name > >> > >>No, IDN is about scripts, not about languages, so there is no reason > >>to transmit the language. > > You know, this stuff is pretty hard. There are several things just mildy > wrong with the text below. I'll try to correct them, but the key > thing to remember is probably this: for registrations within a domain, > a policy needs to set out which code points may be registered, > which may not be *at all*, and which code points will be considered > equivalent (and so may not be registered independently of their > equivalent brethren). RFC 3743 is worthwhile reading for one > set of registries take on this; their approach is conditioned by > complexities that don't hit everyone, but is still worth trying > to bend your brain around. Language information is important not only for 'variants selection' but also for avoiding unwanted DRP to occur. If a Japanese registers "Tokyo" as "Japanese", then only traditional form will be registered and simplified form will remain as available. If no language information is provided, simplified form will be registered simultaneously and the registrant may be sued from Chinese who wants to register "Tokyo" in simplified form. How can the registrant prove that the IDN is not Chinese? > >Let's shift to transliterating the Han to Latin characters. You might get at least two different and possibly three different strings of Latin characters and marks corresponding to the same concept. (BTW, "east capital" is most commonly known around the world as Tokyo.) E.g., "Middle mountain" is written as Zhongshan in the PRC and Cheongshan in Taiwan. I don't know "Middle" in Japanese romaji. "Middle" in Japanese romaji is "Naka" or "Chu". Which is used depends on context. For "Middle mountain" case, "Nakayama" is usual Japanese romaji, although it can represent as "Chusan". -- Yoshiro YONEYA From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Fri Apr 06 08:33:47 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZndT-0004kA-5h for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:33:47 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZndR-0007kM-Of for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:33:47 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36CPAtd010799 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:25:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l36CPAQY025918 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:25:10 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36CP9nn011033 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:25:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C9331C013A; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:25:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775301C00D8; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:25:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6987758ED21; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:25:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:25:08 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Yoshiro YONEYA Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070406122508.GA14575@nic.fr> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> <20070406203557.462d10df.yone@jprs.co.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070406203557.462d10df.yone@jprs.co.jp> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:35:57PM +0900, Yoshiro YONEYA wrote a message of 42 lines which said: > Language information is important In the case you mention (chinese characters), yes, but it is not a general rule. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Fri Apr 06 08:35:04 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZnei-000522-V1 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:35:04 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZneh-0007z1-7a for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:35:04 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36CSQ6H025613 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:28:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l36CSQ4H002469 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:28:26 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36CSPFb014444 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:28:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: from andrew-vpn.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.7.6] helo=trilby.local) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HZnYG-0000zu-Ki for ietf-provreg@cafax.se; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:28:24 -0400 Received: by trilby.local (Postfix, from userid 1019) id D27B52E7B8F; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:28:49 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070406122849.GA8337@afilias.info> Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Sullivan , ietf-provreg@cafax.se References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070406085128.GA24722@nic.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070406085128.GA24722@nic.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by nic.cafax.se id l36CSQFb026254 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nic.cafax.se id l36CSQ6H025613 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 10:51:29AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > See also section 5, "Internationalization Considerations". I would say > that an EPP server which does *not* accept espa=F1ol is *not* a > compliant EPP server. Well, maybe not. The server could respond with a policy error, for instance (on the grounds that only ASCII labels are what one wants to allow in the DNS). A --=20 Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 jabber: ajsaf@jabber.org +1 416 646 3304 x4110 From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Fri Apr 06 09:00:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZo3V-00061L-Fz for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:00:41 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZo3U-0005kO-2V for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:00:41 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36CqOM5016976 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:52:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l36CqOQu021750 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:52:24 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [192.134.4.11]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36CqN4X016321 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:52:23 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A7EB1C00EE; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:52:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay2.nic.fr (relay2.nic.fr [192.134.4.163]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BD61C00E9; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:52:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523D358ED21; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:52:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:52:22 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Andrew Sullivan , ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070406125222.GA19829@nic.fr> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070406085128.GA24722@nic.fr> <20070406122849.GA8337@afilias.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070406122849.GA8337@afilias.info> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by nic.cafax.se id l36CqOM5016976 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:28:49AM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote=20 a message of 18 lines which said: > > See also section 5, "Internationalization Considerations". I would > > say that an EPP server which does *not* accept espa=F1ol is *not* a > > compliant EPP server. [My sentence was ambigous. I restate it: "An EPP server which does *not* accept on-the-wire espa=F1ol but accepts on-the-wire español is *not* a compliant EPP server."] > Well, maybe not. The server could respond with a policy error, for > instance (on the grounds that only ASCII labels are what one wants > to allow in the DNS). In that case, it MUST rejects español as well. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Fri Apr 06 09:34:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZoa1-00049R-FV for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:34:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZoa0-0007GB-0o for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:34:17 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36DPClb016833 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:25:12 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l36DPCk3000159 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:25:12 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ogud.com (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l36DPAaP008531 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:25:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.31.32.217] (hlid.ogud.com [66.92.146.160]) by ogud.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36DMUL4055581; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:22:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Ed.Lewis@neustar.biz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070406122508.GA14575@nic.fr> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> <20070406203557.462d10df.yone@jprs.co.jp> <20070406122508.GA14575@nic.fr> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:20:53 -0400 To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se From: Edward Lewis Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Cc: ed.lewis@Neustar.biz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.61 on 66.92.146.160 Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 At 14:25 +0200 4/6/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:35:57PM +0900, > Yoshiro YONEYA wrote > a message of 42 lines which said: > >> Language information is important > >In the case you mention (chinese characters), yes, but it is not a >general rule. When something is "in the case you mention" but "it is not a general rule" then as a protocol developer, the protocol MUST support it but it's use/inclusion is OPTIONAL. (The exception is that the new feature CAN'T conflict with an established feature.) The goal of the protocol developer of EPP is to have a specification that is universal even if policies are not. The case I raised involved Chinese and Japanese only because I have some but still elementary knowledge on that topic (as you can see from the follow up messages filling in my knowledge gaps and gaffs). Besides filling in what I don't know or got wrong, it would be good to have any other language concerns raised - if there are any. E.g., I hear rumors of Arabic languages having yet another concern regarding representation in DNS. Perhaps the issue (unknown to me) is taken care of by including the same meta-data, perhaps not. To help us focus, the goal here isn't to argue over IDN (which we aren't doing) nor argue over policies (which we also aren't doing) but to determine what extension to EPP is needed to suit our collective needs. While we are not a WG anymore, we are still about the engineering and I at least find this discussion enlightening. BTW, is someone eager to document an IDN extension? I ask as I believe there was already an offer or older proposal that is waiting in the wings. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. 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majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l37DDhTx027599 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:13:43 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.libertyrms.com (vgateway.libertyrms.info [207.219.45.62]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l37DDdcV016290 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:13:40 +0200 (MEST) Received: from michael-vpn.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.7.27] helo=dun1000) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1HaAjZ-00042j-Uo; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:13:37 -0400 From: "Michael Young" To: "'Edward Lewis'" , References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> <20070406203557.462d10df.yone@jprs.co.jp> <20070406122508.GA14575@nic.fr> Subject: RE: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:10:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c77916$2c0c3f30$1ebc13ac@dun1000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd4T6bTgJ8cmLhbQ46ClLwAkhtt8gAxk3Yg X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: myoung@ca.afilias.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5a9a1bd6c2d06a21d748b7d0070ddcb8 I know I certainly have the interest. We will have an updated version of the older proposal up shortly. That can be a starting point for discussion. Michael Young Afilias -----Original Message----- From: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se [mailto:owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se] On Behalf Of Edward Lewis Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:21 AM To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Cc: ed.lewis@Neustar.biz Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN At 14:25 +0200 4/6/07, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: >On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 08:35:57PM +0900, > Yoshiro YONEYA wrote > a message of 42 lines which said: > >> Language information is important > >In the case you mention (chinese characters), yes, but it is not a >general rule. When something is "in the case you mention" but "it is not a general rule" then as a protocol developer, the protocol MUST support it but it's use/inclusion is OPTIONAL. (The exception is that the new feature CAN'T conflict with an established feature.) The goal of the protocol developer of EPP is to have a specification that is universal even if policies are not. The case I raised involved Chinese and Japanese only because I have some but still elementary knowledge on that topic (as you can see from the follow up messages filling in my knowledge gaps and gaffs). Besides filling in what I don't know or got wrong, it would be good to have any other language concerns raised - if there are any. E.g., I hear rumors of Arabic languages having yet another concern regarding representation in DNS. Perhaps the issue (unknown to me) is taken care of by including the same meta-data, perhaps not. To help us focus, the goal here isn't to argue over IDN (which we aren't doing) nor argue over policies (which we also aren't doing) but to determine what extension to EPP is needed to suit our collective needs. While we are not a WG anymore, we are still about the engineering and I at least find this discussion enlightening. BTW, is someone eager to document an IDN extension? I ask as I believe there was already an offer or older proposal that is waiting in the wings. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis +1-571-434-5468 NeuStar Sarcasm doesn't scale. From fpertinent@orenex.com Sat Apr 07 09:44:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaBDq-0002Ue-5g; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:44:54 -0400 Received: from host-217-96-59-110.instalnet.com.pl ([217.96.59.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaBDi-0001EF-T0; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:44:54 -0400 Received: from ika03a82f7daf1 ([62.170.244.79]:22314 "HELO ika03a82f7daf1" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by 6e3b60d9orenex.com with ESMTP id 716E61812D93 (ORCPT ); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:43:31 +0200 Message-ID: <001901c77933$e02829d0$0019f844@ika03a82f7daf1> From: Glenna O. 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HEADLINES --------------------- Texans want Hold 'Em games legal ... and taxed Records: Smith drugs all prescribed by 1 doctor 'Hotel Rwanda' hero comes under fire in native land Collins: Why this scientist believes in God Coyote jumps in Quiznos drink cooler Woman charged with faking HIV, taking money Video Army: Friendly fire might have killed U.S. troops --------------------- From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Sat Apr 07 16:30:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaHYZ-0001BU-J9 for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaHYX-00013d-5P for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l37KMFSj014188 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:22:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l37KMFfL009277 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:22:15 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (virtual3.netaktiv.com [80.67.170.53]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l37KMEHW025880 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:22:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 131E7240817; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:22:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.sources.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2A10110765; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:18:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:18:16 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN Message-ID: <20070407201816.GA13564@sources.org> References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> <20070406203557.462d10df.yone@jprs.co.jp> <20070406122508.GA14575@nic.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070406122508.GA14575@nic.fr> X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 02:25:08PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 8 lines which said: > In the case you mention (chinese characters), yes, but it is not a > general rule. Joe Abley kindly explained that I could have say it in a better way. Here is a new attempt (and I suggest that a similar sentence be included in the I-D if someone wants to revive an EPP extension for IDN): *************** IDN deals with scripts, not with languages. Asking what is the language of an IDN domain name is often irrelevant and sometimes meaningless (many corporate trademarks are not words in any human language, for instance). In the vast majority of writing systems, knowledge of the language being represented is not necessary. The Chinese/Japanese case described in RFC 3743 is a prominent example of where the language may be relevant. From owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Sat Apr 07 17:14:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaIF6-0008Fj-1j for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:14:40 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se ([192.71.228.17]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaIF4-0002TV-JG for provreg-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:14:40 -0400 Received: from nic.cafax.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l37L6kaG015721 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:06:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11/Submit) id l37L6kPn015542 for ietf-provreg-outgoing; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:06:46 +0200 (MEST) X-Authentication-Warning: nic.cafax.se: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se using -f Received: from ns3.neustar.com (ns3.neustar.com [156.154.24.138]) by nic.cafax.se (8.13.7/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l37L6jeN016347 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 23:06:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from stntsmtp01.cis.neustar.com (smartexch.neustar.com [10.31.13.96]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C932417652; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:06:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from stntexch13.cis.neustar.com ([10.31.13.20]) by stntsmtp01.cis.neustar.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:06:36 -0400 Received: from [156.154.4.21] ([156.154.4.21]) by stntexch13.cis.neustar.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:06:36 -0400 Message-ID: <461807DA.4080802@neustar.biz> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:06:34 -0400 From: "Tan, William" Organization: NeuStar, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (Windows/20070116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephane Bortzmeyer Cc: ietf-provreg@cafax.se Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Re: EPP Extensions for IDN References: <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E24@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070404142349.GC1648@vic20.blipp.com> <557337CEDE6F294DBF74610FD7FF7BDF384E45@nbhex1.osgcs.local> <20070405162135.GA7415@nic.fr> <20070406203557.462d10df.yone@jprs.co.jp> <20070406122508.GA14575@nic.fr> <20070407201816.GA13564@sources.org> In-Reply-To: <20070407201816.GA13564@sources.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2007 21:06:36.0761 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0F17490:01C77958] Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 I apologize for coming into this thread late. I'm not sure how to interpret "IDN deals with scripts", because if IDN were to "deal" with anything, it would be a sequence of characters from the Unicode character repertoire. Now, that's not saying much either. If I understand correctly, this is trying to capture a best practice / recommendation to restrict label registrations to only contain characters from a certain *table*, and that the table in defined in terms of scripts instead of languages. Now, I'm not sure if this WG is really in the business of recommending registry policies. There is definitely a need for some form of a tag, especially in gTLD registries implementations, to facilitate checking for the rule that all characters within the requested label must fall within a single table. IMHO the content of such a tag, if used, should be left up to the implementation. One registry might use ISO15924-based script codes, or RFC4646 tags, or ISO639-based codes. =wil Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 02:25:08PM +0200, > Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote > a message of 8 lines which said: > > >> In the case you mention (chinese characters), yes, but it is not a >> general rule. >> > > Joe Abley kindly explained that I could have say it in a better > way. Here is a new attempt (and I suggest that a similar sentence be > included in the I-D if someone wants to revive an EPP extension for > IDN): > > *************** > > IDN deals with scripts, not with languages. Asking what is the > language of an IDN domain name is often irrelevant and sometimes > meaningless (many corporate trademarks are not words in any human > language, for instance). > > In the vast majority of writing systems, knowledge of the language > being represented is not necessary. > > The Chinese/Japanese case described in RFC 3743 is a prominent example > of where the language may be relevant. > > > From baexposition@torresen.com Sun Apr 08 01:14:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaPjK-0001Q1-C1; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:14:22 -0400 Received: from chello089079208244.chello.pl ([89.79.208.244]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HaPjF-0005Xy-QL; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:14:22 -0400 Received: from anonim ([72.93.17.74]:33920 "HELO anonim" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by f4d04f59torresen.com with ESMTP id x2VZHOXX139130 (ORCPT ); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:16:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c779ad$c90612b0$00d5fd24@anonim> From: stereo my To: nat-request@ietf.org Subject: He or actor Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:16:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C779AD.C90612B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.2963 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2720.2969 X-Spam-Score: 4.4 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: f2728948111f2edaaf8980b5b9de55af This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C779AD.C90612B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0016_01C779AD.C90612B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0016_01C779AD.C90612B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable me. 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