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service by exchange.tropicnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:05:32 -0400 From: Antigen@smtp.fteb.net To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Antigen Notification:Antigen found VIRUS= Exploit.IFrame.FileDownload (Kaspersky,CA(Vet)) virus Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 10:05:32.0444 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B98BDC0:01C2519F] Date: 1 Sep 2002 06:05:32 -0400 Sender: Antigen@tropicnetworks.com X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 858 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Antigen for Exchange found Unknown infected with VIRUS= Exploit.IFrame.FileDownload (Kaspersky,CA(Vet)) virus. 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From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Sun Sep 1 06:08:44 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA12345 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7B94A3EC78; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:20:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF04F3EC5B for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:17:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from exchange.tropicnetworks.com (209.202.99.50) by hermes1.fth.net; 1 Sep 2002 12:05:40 +0200 Received: from mail pickup service by exchange.tropicnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:05:33 -0400 From: Antigen@smtp.fteb.net To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Antigen Notification:Antigen found VIRUS= Exploit.IFrame.FileDownload (Kaspersky,CA(Vet)) virus Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2002 10:05:33.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C504DF0:01C2519F] Date: 1 Sep 2002 06:05:33 -0400 Sender: Antigen@tropicnetworks.com X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 859 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Antigen for Exchange found Unknown infected with VIRUS= Exploit.IFrame.FileDownload (Kaspersky,CA(Vet)) virus. 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------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C251BA.BF914210-- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Sep 2 03:18:16 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15500 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 03:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id A2F1F3EC1B; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4047F3EC15 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from blooper.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by hermes1.fth.net; 2 Sep 2002 09:19:16 +0200 Received: from utfors.se (nat-sto.utfors.se [212.73.0.237]) by blooper.utfors.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g827IutA019863; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:19:01 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <3D7310DF.5020905@utfors.se> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:18:55 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shahram Davari Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt References: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB03878@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 863 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sharam, see in line Shahram Davari wrote: > Hi, > > 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in the frame work? > For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a number of ATM/FR > networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual switch, > requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private ATM/FR service). > Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic virtual private L2 > service rather than a VPLS only for LAN? I guess that there are more than one answer to this a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or fr services b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the domain of pwe3 c. if you are suggsting that we should specify virtual privae atm switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as particitating in atm dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the context of SLA, but does > not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and decoupling resiliency between > L2VPNs. Why is that? agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework of its own? /Loa > > Thanks, > -Shahram > > -- Loa Andersson Chief Architect, Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) Utfors AB Råsundavägen 12 Box 525, 169 29 Solna Office +46 8 5270 2000 Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 Mobile +46 70 848 5038 Email loa.andersson@utfors.se WWW www.utfors.se From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Sep 3 02:18:08 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12605 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 2A26D3EC1A; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:31:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A143EC12 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:31:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lohi.eng.song.fi (195.10.149.18) by hermes1.fth.net; 3 Sep 2002 08:19:07 +0200 Received: from harjus.eng.song.fi ([195.10.149.20]) by lohi.eng.song.fi with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17m71m-0000BO-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 09:19:06 +0300 To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: draft-heinanen-dns-l2tp-vpls-01 Message-Id: From: jh@lohi.eng.song.fi Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 09:19:06 +0300 X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 864 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com i just submitted version 01 of draft-heinanen-dns-l2tp-vpls to the internet drafts editor. it is also available as ftp://lohi.eng.song.fi/tmp/draft-heinanen-dns-l2tp-vpls-01.txt changes from previous version include - use of the proposed application identifier avp to identify the particular l2tp application (in this case directory/dns vpls) - for simplicity, only l2tp sessions without control word are allowed - use of control connection and session tie-breaker avps - sessions are established using ICRQ/ICRP/ICCN message exchange - introduction of application specific l2tp error messages also, the text has been worded so that it can still be referenced even if dns is replaced by some other directory mechanism. -- juha From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Sep 3 10:40:59 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28868 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 4A42A3EC1A; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:53:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E453EC11 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:53:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (216.241.224.12) by hermes1.fth.net; 3 Sep 2002 16:41:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 19913 invoked by uid 104); 3 Sep 2002 14:41:48 -0000 Received: from Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com by mother with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4218. . 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Processed in 0.498614 secs); 03 Sep 2002 14:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca) (134.87.114.120) by mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 14:41:47 -0000 Received: from bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [216.241.231.251]) by hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (jason/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83EfVw04941; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bby1exi01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:43:08 -0700 Message-ID: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB0387D@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> From: Shahram Davari To: "'Loa Andersson'" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:41:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 865 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id KAA28868 Loa, Please see my comments in line. Thanks, -Shahram > -----Original Message----- > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se] > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:19 AM > To: Shahram Davari > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt > > > Sharam, > > see in line > > Shahram Davari wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in > the frame work? > > For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a > number of ATM/FR > > networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual switch, > > requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private > ATM/FR service). > > Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic > virtual private L2 > > service rather than a VPLS only for LAN? > > > I guess that there are more than one answer to this > > a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or > fr services But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? Also having a generic framework does not close the door on other L2 VPNs. > > b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the domain of pwe3 PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and discovery are part of PPVPN. > > c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm > switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as > particitating in atm > dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at all about any specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic. > > > > > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the > context of SLA, but does > > not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and > decoupling resiliency between > > L2VPNs. Why is that? > > > agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the > draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework > of its own? May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that decoupling of customers' QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by service providers. > > /Loa > > > > > > Thanks, > > -Shahram > > > > > > > -- > Loa Andersson > Chief Architect, > Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) > Utfors AB > Råsundavägen 12 > Box 525, 169 29 Solna > Office +46 8 5270 2000 > Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 > Mobile +46 70 848 5038 > Email loa.andersson@utfors.se > WWW www.utfors.se > > From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Sep 3 11:35:22 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01473 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 378E73EC1A; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:48:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C5C3EC11 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:48:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60) by hermes1.fth.net; 3 Sep 2002 17:36:19 +0200 Received: from 209-122-247-27.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.247.27] helo=capella.nxp.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #6) id 17mFj0-0004LC-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:36:18 -0400 Received: from mercury.nxp.com ([192.168.111.203]) by capella.nxp.com with esmtp (Exim 4.04) id 17mFgX-0006gi-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:33:45 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020903112335.025f4de0@nxp.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:36:42 -0400 To: Shahram Davari , "'Loa Andersson'" From: Waldemar Augustyn Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com In-Reply-To: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB0387D@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sie rra.bc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 866 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id LAA01473 Shahram, What's not clear is whether you mean a "native" ATM/FR, or a "virtual" ATM/FR VPN. If you mean the former, this is definitely not in the IETF scope. If you mean the latter, however, then there are further questions. Are you suggesting to emulate ATM/FR switches with IP? (I hope not) If not, are you only suggesting CEs be using ATM/FR framing for their L2 encapsulations? If so, then the VPN will clearly end up falling into either VPWS, or VPLS depending on whether broadcast/multicast is to be recognized. Notice, if you may be thinking point-to-multipoint, then VPWS applies, as this case is really a collection of point-to-point circuits. There is also a possibility you might want your VPN limit to IP services, in which case you could consider the ARP mediation or IPLS concept. At 07:41 AM 9/3/2002 -0700, Shahram Davari wrote: >Loa, > >Please see my comments in line. > >Thanks, >-Shahram > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se] > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:19 AM > > To: Shahram Davari > > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com > > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt > > > > > > Sharam, > > > > see in line > > > > Shahram Davari wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in > > the frame work? > > > For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a > > number of ATM/FR > > > networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual switch, > > > requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private > > ATM/FR service). > > > Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic > > virtual private L2 > > > service rather than a VPLS only for LAN? > > > > > > I guess that there are more than one answer to this > > > > a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or > > fr services > >But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? >Also having a generic framework does not close the door on other L2 VPNs. > > > > > b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the domain of pwe3 > > >PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and discovery are part of >PPVPN. > > > > > c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm > > switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as > > particitating in atm > > dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp > >How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at all about any >specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the > > context of SLA, but does > > > not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and > > decoupling resiliency between > > > L2VPNs. Why is that? > > > > > > agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the > > draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework > > of its own? > >May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that decoupling of >customers' >QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by service providers. > > > > > /Loa > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Shahram > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Loa Andersson > > Chief Architect, > > Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) > > Utfors AB > > Råsundavägen 12 > > Box 525, 169 29 Solna > > Office +46 8 5270 2000 > > Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 > > Mobile +46 70 848 5038 > > Email loa.andersson@utfors.se > > WWW www.utfors.se > > > > From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Sep 3 11:51:59 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02166 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 984F13EC1C; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:05:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCB43EC12 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:04:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (216.241.224.12) by hermes1.fth.net; 3 Sep 2002 17:52:57 +0200 Received: (qmail 14455 invoked by uid 104); 3 Sep 2002 15:52:56 -0000 Received: from Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com by mother with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4218. . 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Processed in 0.603719 secs); 03 Sep 2002 15:52:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca) (134.87.114.120) by mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 15:52:55 -0000 Received: from bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [216.241.231.251]) by hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (jason/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83Fqew25220; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bby1exi01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:54:16 -0700 Message-ID: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB03880@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> From: Shahram Davari To: "'Waldemar Augustyn'" , "'Loa Andersson'" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:52:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 867 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Hi, > -----Original Message----- > From: Waldemar Augustyn [mailto:waldemar@nxp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:37 AM > To: Shahram Davari; 'Loa Andersson' > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt > > > > Shahram, > > What's not clear is whether you mean a "native" ATM/FR, or a > "virtual" > ATM/FR VPN. If you mean the former, this is definitely not > in the IETF > scope. I meant the latter. > > If you mean the latter, however, then there are further > questions. Are you > suggesting to emulate ATM/FR switches with IP? (I hope not) I was suggesting, something for ATM/FR service similar to VPLS for Ethernet. I was not sure whether any body is interested in VPATMS / VPFRS or not. Although, I don't dispute that I still haven't seen anybody requiring such a service. > > If not, are you only suggesting CEs be using ATM/FR framing > for their L2 > encapsulations? If so, then the VPN will clearly end up falling into > either VPWS, or VPLS depending on whether broadcast/multicast > is to be > recognized. Notice, if you may be thinking > point-to-multipoint, then VPWS > applies, as this case is really a collection of > point-to-point circuits. Sure. > > There is also a possibility you might want your VPN limit to > IP services, > in which case you could consider the ARP mediation or IPLS concept. Sure. -Shahram > > > > At 07:41 AM 9/3/2002 -0700, Shahram Davari wrote: > >Loa, > > > >Please see my comments in line. > > > >Thanks, > >-Shahram > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se] > > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:19 AM > > > To: Shahram Davari > > > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com > > > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt > > > > > > > > > Sharam, > > > > > > see in line > > > > > > Shahram Davari wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > 1) Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in > > > the frame work? > > > > For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a > > > number of ATM/FR > > > > networks, in which the provider network acts as a > virtual switch, > > > > requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private > > > ATM/FR service). > > > > Isn't it more appropriate to define a more generic > > > virtual private L2 > > > > service rather than a VPLS only for LAN? > > > > > > > > > I guess that there are more than one answer to this > > > > > > a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or > > > fr services > > > >But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? > >Also having a generic framework does not close the door on > other L2 VPNs. > > > > > > > > b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the > domain of pwe3 > > > > > >PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and > discovery are part of > >PPVPN. > > > > > > > > c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual > private atm > > > switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as > > > particitating in atm > > > dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp > > > >How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at > all about any > >specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the > > > context of SLA, but does > > > > not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and > > > decoupling resiliency between > > > > L2VPNs. Why is that? > > > > > > > > > agree on that there are possible improvements on these > sections in the > > > draft, but also this is maybe something that would > require a framework > > > of its own? > > > >May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that > decoupling of > >customers' > >QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by > service providers. > > > > > > > > /Loa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Shahram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Loa Andersson > > > Chief Architect, > > > Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) > > > Utfors AB > > > Råsundavägen 12 > > > Box 525, 169 29 Solna > > > Office +46 8 5270 2000 > > > Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 > > > Mobile +46 70 848 5038 > > > Email loa.andersson@utfors.se > > > WWW www.utfors.se > > > > > > > > From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Sep 3 12:53:58 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04590 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 5AEFE3EC1A; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:07:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA153EC11 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cbibipnt05.hc.bt.com (193.113.57.20) by hermes1.fth.net; 3 Sep 2002 18:54:55 +0200 Received: by cbibipnt05.hc.bt.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:55:00 +0100 Message-ID: From: neil.2.harrison@bt.com To: Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com, loa.andersson@utfors.se Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:54:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 868 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Shahram.....just to add to your remarks. regards, Neil > > I guess that there are more than one answer to this > > > > a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or > > fr services > > But you are only 1 person in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? > Also having a generic framework does not close the door on > other L2 VPNs. NH=> ATM/FR is ignored at peril. Ditto SDH/Sonet. Operators have loads of this stuff deployed earning real revenue and it works really well. There is also very little cash to spend for the foreseeable future given the reality-take on all the over-hyped technologies of recent years. So please bear this fact in mind. > > > > > b. from an ietf perspective I thought that this was the > domain of pwe3 > > > PWE3 only develops the encapsulation. Signaling and discovery > are part of > PPVPN. NH=> Perhaps this is an error of judgement on functional decomposition (of work organisation) then? > > > 2) The framework talks about QoS and resiliency in the > > context of SLA, but does > > > not talk about requirements for decoupling QoS and > > decoupling resiliency between > > > L2VPNs. Why is that? > > > > > > agree on that there are possible improvements on these > sections in the > > draft, but also this is maybe something that would require > a framework > > of its own? > > May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that > decoupling of customers' > QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by > service providers. NH=> I have raised this point on numerous occasions. Traffic/performance isolation between VPNs (of different customers) would seem a pretty important and basic requirement for VPNs *if* hard SLAs are required that are also measurable. But if you can't even fault-manage the technology in question properly to start with (which begins with well-defined defects) then I don't know how one can give any availability SLA assurances or QoS SLA assurances.....since the latter is dependent on the former, and the former is, in turn, dependent of sound fault-management. 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(also section 6.0 refers to BGP/MPLS VPN and not MPLS/BGP VPN) 2) The MplsVpnName which is a 32 Octet string, which may or may not be the VPN ID. Could the description be clarified to say if the VPN ID is not used as the value, what the value is supposed to be? (If not in the TC then maybe in the index itself). Also, I do not understand how this index could be a NULL string for more than one VPN, otherwise, it would be difficult to interpret which VPN an interface belongs to. Is this possible? 3) The following objects might work better as Gauge32: mplsVpnVrfActiveInterfaces mplsVpnVrfAssociatedInterfaces mplsVpnVrfPefCurrNumRoutes 4) There are references to an MPLS-VPN Interface and yet the MIB uses mpls(166) or mplsTunnel(150) for the ifType. Was a new Mpls-VPN ifType considered? (The reason a new ifType might want to be considered is because if 2 (or more?) ifTypes are possible to uniquely identify a BGP/MPLS interface, a new ifType might be cleaner, especially if the MplsVpnName is allowed to be NULL. Thanks, -Joan From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Sep 3 18:11:27 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15977 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7CF753EC1A; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:24:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F74C3EC11 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:24:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hawk.CrescentNetworks.com (66.105.92.144) by hermes1.fth.net; 4 Sep 2002 00:12:27 +0200 Received: from CrescentNetworks.com (jcucchiara.in.crescentnets.com [192.168.29.132]) by hawk.CrescentNetworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23446 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D753414.8BF288EB@CrescentNetworks.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 18:13:40 -0400 From: Joan Cucchiara X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: draft-ietf-ppvpn-mpls-vpn-mib-04.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 871 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, had left out the word MIB in the title, so am reposting. ---- Hi, Had a few questions on this MIB. 1) the name of the mib is 'MPLS/BGP Virtual Private Network Management Information Base using SMIv2' and the abstract says that this MIB is based upon draft-ietf-ppvpn-rfc2547bis-02.txt which has the title of: 'BGP/MPLS VPNs' So my question is: could this MIB follow the draft that is associated with it and be called 'BGP/MPLS ...' ? (also section 6.0 refers to BGP/MPLS VPN and not MPLS/BGP VPN) 2) The MplsVpnName which is a 32 Octet string, which may or may not be the VPN ID. Could the description be clarified to say if the VPN ID is not used as the value, what the value is supposed to be? (If not in the TC then maybe in the index itself). Also, I do not understand how this index could be a NULL string for more than one VPN, otherwise, it would be difficult to interpret which VPN an interface belongs to. Is this possible? 3) The following objects might work better as Gauge32: mplsVpnVrfActiveInterfaces mplsVpnVrfAssociatedInterfaces mplsVpnVrfPefCurrNumRoutes 4) There are references to an MPLS-VPN Interface and yet the MIB uses mpls(166) or mplsTunnel(150) for the ifType. Was a new Mpls-VPN ifType considered? (The reason a new ifType might want to be considered is because if 2 (or more?) ifTypes are possible to uniquely identify a BGP/MPLS interface, a new ifType might be cleaner, especially if the MplsVpnName is allowed to be NULL. 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    = From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Sep 4 23:06:28 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA28821 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 20AFE3EC17; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:19:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1139F3EC11 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:19:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Sep 2002 05:07:25 +0200 Received: from 209-122-247-27.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com ([209.122.247.27] helo=capella.nxp.com) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #6) id 17mmzM-0006zU-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:07:24 -0400 Received: from mercury.nxp.com ([192.168.111.203]) by capella.nxp.com with esmtp (Exim 4.04) id 17mmwr-0007Yi-00; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:04:49 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020904225050.026066e0@nxp.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:07:49 -0400 To: schultz@io.iol.unh.edu, ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com From: Waldemar Augustyn Subject: Re: definition of "segment" in VPLS In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 876 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Hi Ben, There is another document: draft-augustyn-ppvpn-l2vpn-requirements-00.txt which is intended to supersede the draft in question. There, the VPLS text clarifies a number of statements and its terminology is better aligned with other document. In particular, the term "segment" is no longer used. This, in effect, renders the issue moot. Hope this helps At 02:24 PM 9/4/2002 -0400, schultz@io.iol.unh.edu wrote: >Hello, > >I think that the definition of "segment" in >draft-ietf-ppvpn-vpls-requirements-00.txt is in conflict with the IEEE 802 >specifications. > >Section 4 of the internet draft states: >"VPLS emulates a flat LAN segment with learning and switching >capabilities. " > >This implicitly defines "segment" as a layer 2 entity. > >However, in looking at IEEE 802.3-2000, sub-clause 1.4.244 > >"segment: The medium connection,including connectors,between Medium >Dependent Interfaces (MDIs)in a CSMA/CD local area network." > >802.1 also refers to "LAN segments" in terms of layer 1 entities >(sub-clauses 1.2, 3.7, 6.3, etc.). > >Can the definition of "segment" as a layer 1 entity (per IEEE 802) be >aligned in this draft? > >Thanks, >-Ben From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 04:42:43 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA12986 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 53F2E3EC17; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:55:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5CA3EC11 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:55:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from blooper.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Sep 2002 10:43:43 +0200 Received: from utfors.se (nat-sto.utfors.se [212.73.0.237]) by blooper.utfors.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g858hdtA027977; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:43:39 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <3D77193B.3080608@utfors.se> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:43:39 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shahram Davari Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt References: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB0387D@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 877 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Inline, please. Shahram Davari wrote: > Loa, < snip > >>a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or >>fr services >> > > But you are only 1 person admittedly my spelling is bad ;), but I think counting is good, at least as log as I only have to use the fingers of one hand :) > in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? this realy beats me - I guess the number of things I'm not interested in far exceeds the fingers on boths hands (and toes on my feet ;) ), why should I start botherning the ietf mailing lists by asking opinions on the things I'm not interested in? < snip > > >>c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm >>switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as >>particitating in atm >>dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp >> > > How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at all about any > specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic. > > I can't see that it is the ppvpn wg tasks address every possible l2vpn, and I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the scope of ppvpn. so if the argument for generalizing more is to include atm/fr signaling and switching, i don't see that is it as necessary. /Loa >> >>agree on that there are possible improvements on these sections in the >>draft, but also this is maybe something that would require a framework >>of its own? >> > > May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that decoupling of customers' > QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by service providers. > > >>/Loa >> >> >> >>>Thanks, >>>-Shahram >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >> Loa Andersson >> Chief Architect, >> Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) >> Utfors AB >> Råsundavägen 12 >> Box 525, 169 29 Solna >> Office +46 8 5270 2000 >> Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 >> Mobile +46 70 848 5038 >> Email loa.andersson@utfors.se >> WWW www.utfors.se >> >> > -- Loa Andersson Chief Architect, Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) Utfors AB Råsundavägen 12 Box 525, 169 29 Solna Office +46 8 5270 2000 Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 Mobile +46 70 848 5038 Email loa.andersson@utfors.se WWW www.utfors.se From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 15:03:15 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA03224 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 44E1E3EC17; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:16:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABC73EC11 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:16:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (216.241.224.12) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Sep 2002 21:04:11 +0200 Received: (qmail 29349 invoked by uid 104); 5 Sep 2002 19:04:10 -0000 Received: from Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com by mother with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4218. . 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Processed in 0.900377 secs); 05 Sep 2002 19:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca) (134.87.114.120) by mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 19:04:09 -0000 Received: from bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [216.241.231.251]) by hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (jason/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85J45w02084; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bby1exi01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:05:49 -0700 Message-ID: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB03899@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> From: Shahram Davari To: "'Loa Andersson'" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:04:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 878 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id PAA03224 Loa, Since you are writing a L2VPN framework draft for the WG, you should consider others interest as well, even though you may not be interested in them. " I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the > scope of ppvpn." But MAC learning is in scope? -Shahram > -----Original Message----- > From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:44 AM > To: Shahram Davari > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com > Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt > > > Inline, please. > > Shahram Davari wrote: > > > Loa, > > > > < snip > > > > > >>a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or > >>fr services > >> > > > > But you are only 1 person > > > admittedly my spelling is bad ;), but I think counting is > good, at least > as log as I only have to use the fingers of one hand :) > > > in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? > > > this realy beats me - I guess the number of things I'm not > interested in > far exceeds the fingers on boths hands (and toes on my feet ;) ), why > should I start botherning the ietf mailing lists by asking opinions > on the things I'm not interested in? > > < snip > > > > > > >>c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm > >>switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as > >>particitating in atm > >>dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp > >> > > > > How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at > all about any > > specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic. > > > > > > > I can't see that it is the ppvpn wg tasks address every > possible l2vpn, > and I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the > scope of ppvpn. so if the argument for generalizing more is to include > atm/fr signaling and switching, i don't see that is it as necessary. > > > /Loa > > > >> > >>agree on that there are possible improvements on these > sections in the > >>draft, but also this is maybe something that would require > a framework > >>of its own? > >> > > > > May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that > decoupling of customers' > > QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by > service providers. > > > > > >>/Loa > >> > >> > >> > >>>Thanks, > >>>-Shahram > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>-- > >> Loa Andersson > >> Chief Architect, > >> Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) > >> Utfors AB > >> Råsundavägen 12 > >> Box 525, 169 29 Solna > >> Office +46 8 5270 2000 > >> Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 > >> Mobile +46 70 848 5038 > >> Email loa.andersson@utfors.se > >> WWW www.utfors.se > >> > >> > > > > > -- > Loa Andersson > Chief Architect, > Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) > Utfors AB > Råsundavägen 12 > Box 525, 169 29 Solna > Office +46 8 5270 2000 > Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 > Mobile +46 70 848 5038 > Email loa.andersson@utfors.se > WWW www.utfors.se > > From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 16:38:21 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA05256 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 1607B3EC17; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:51:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC28A3EC11 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:51:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.163.11) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Sep 2002 22:39:15 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.134.50]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g85KdCKB014255; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200209052039.g85KdCKB014255@sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com> To: Shahram Davari Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:48:23 -0700. <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB03878@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com User-Agent: EMH/1.14.1 SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:39:12 -0400 From: Eric Rosen X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 879 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Shahram> Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are covered in the frame Shahram> work? For example you could think of a L2VPN connecting a number Shahram> of ATM/FR networks, in which the provider network acts as a virtual Shahram> switch, requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., virtual private Shahram> ATM/FR service). Isn't it more appropriate to define a more Shahram> generic virtual private L2 service rather than a VPLS only for LAN? In the generic Framework, a "Forwarder" attaches to multiple Pseudowires and multiple Attachment Circuits, and the Forwarder determines how to move frames among them, possibly by looking at L2-specific addressing information and comparing it to the contents of an L2-specific forwarding database. More detail is provided only for VPWS and VPLS because this reflects the interests of the WG, as evidenced by its set of internet drafts. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 17:31:41 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA06510 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 9C8B93EC18; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:44:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E323EC11 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 23:44:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (216.241.224.12) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Sep 2002 23:32:40 +0200 Received: (qmail 29450 invoked by uid 104); 5 Sep 2002 21:32:39 -0000 Received: from Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com by mother with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4218. . Clean. Processed in 0.488026 secs); 05 Sep 2002 21:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca) (134.87.114.120) by mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 21:32:38 -0000 Received: from bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [216.241.231.251]) by hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (jason/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g85LWcw14743; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bby1exi01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB0389A@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> From: Shahram Davari To: "'erosen@cisco.com'" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:32:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 880 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Eric, > > Shahram> Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are > covered in the frame > Shahram> work? For example you could think of a L2VPN > connecting a number > Shahram> of ATM/FR networks, in which the provider network > acts as a virtual > Shahram> switch, requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., > virtual private > Shahram> ATM/FR service). Isn't it more appropriate to > define a more > Shahram> generic virtual private L2 service rather than a > VPLS only for LAN? > > In the generic Framework, a "Forwarder" attaches to multiple > Pseudowires and > multiple Attachment Circuits, and the Forwarder > determines how to move > frames among them, possibly by looking at L2-specific > addressing information > and comparing it to the contents of an L2-specific forwarding > database. It seems odd to define the generic framework in PWE3 rather than PPVPN. > > More detail is provided only for VPWS and VPLS because > this reflects the > interests of the WG, as evidenced by its set of internet drafts. I suggest adding a text to the introduction that says this is not a generic L2VPN framework. So that if others in future wants to define a VPN based on another L2, then they would not be bound by this draft. Thanks, -Shahram From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 17:47:04 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA08640 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 6CE7B3EC1A; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:00:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D2A3EC11 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:00:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from celox-ma1-ems1.celoxnetworks.com (12.40.60.233) by hermes1.fth.net; 5 Sep 2002 23:48:06 +0200 Received: by celox-ma1-ems1.celoxnetworks.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:48:00 -0400 Message-ID: <1117F7D44159934FB116E36F4ABF221B0267EAAE@celox-ma1-ems1.celoxnetworks.com> From: "Gray, Eric" To: "'Shahram Davari'" , "'erosen@cisco.com'" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:47:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 881 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com The particular generic framework Eric Rosen mentions should be defined in PWE3. It defines the assumptions we make in describing pseudo-wire behavior. Eric W. Gray Systems Architect Celox Networks, Inc. egray@celoxnetworks.com 508 305 7214 > -----Original Message----- > From: Shahram Davari [mailto:Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:33 PM > To: 'erosen@cisco.com' > Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com > Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt > > Eric, > > > > > > Shahram> Why only 2 types of L2VPN (VPWS & VPLS) are > > covered in the frame > > Shahram> work? For example you could think of a L2VPN > > connecting a number > > Shahram> of ATM/FR networks, in which the provider network > > acts as a virtual > > Shahram> switch, requiring ATM/FR switching at PEs (i.e., > > virtual private > > Shahram> ATM/FR service). Isn't it more appropriate to > > define a more > > Shahram> generic virtual private L2 service rather than a > > VPLS only for LAN? > > > > In the generic Framework, a "Forwarder" attaches to multiple > > Pseudowires and > > multiple Attachment Circuits, and the Forwarder > > determines how to move > > frames among them, possibly by looking at L2-specific > > addressing information > > and comparing it to the contents of an L2-specific forwarding > > database. > > It seems odd to define the generic framework in PWE3 rather than PPVPN. > > > > > More detail is provided only for VPWS and VPLS because > > this reflects the > > interests of the WG, as evidenced by its set of internet drafts. > > I suggest adding a text to the introduction that says this is not a > generic L2VPN framework. > So that if others in future wants to define a VPN based on another L2, > then they would not > be bound by this draft. > > Thanks, > -Shahram > > From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Sep 5 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From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Sep 6 05:07:47 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA28425 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 265973EC1A; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:20:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C403EC11 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:20:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from blooper.utfors.se (195.58.103.125) by hermes1.fth.net; 6 Sep 2002 11:08:51 +0200 Received: from utfors.se (nat-sto.utfors.se [212.73.0.237]) by blooper.utfors.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8698ktA022961; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:08:47 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <3D78709E.90302@utfors.se> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 11:08:46 +0200 From: Loa Andersson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shahram Davari Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt References: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB03899@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 884 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Shahram Davari wrote: > Loa, > > Since you are writing a L2VPN framework draft for the WG, you should consider > others interest as well, even though you may not be interested in them. Sure, and I do and have done for that particular framework. but what you said "But you are only 1 person in the WG [:)] ", also applies to you ;). For the record I've more than "1 person" constantly pointing out that there is a need for focusing to get what is decided so far done as timely as possible and stop meandering to cover every conceivable solutions. What I see here is that what I see as within the pwe3 domain is being brought into the ppvpn, can't see why. /Loa > > " I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the > >>scope of ppvpn." >> > > But MAC learning is in scope? > > -Shahram > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Loa Andersson [mailto:loa.andersson@utfors.se] >>Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:44 AM >>To: Shahram Davari >>Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com >>Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt >> >> >>Inline, please. >> >>Shahram Davari wrote: >> >> >>>Loa, >>> >> >> >>< snip > >> >> >> >>>>a. from my point of view I do not have an interest in atm or >>>>fr services >>>> >>>> >>>But you are only 1 person >>> >> >>admittedly my spelling is bad ;), but I think counting is >>good, at least >>as log as I only have to use the fingers of one hand :) >> >> >>>in the WG :) Have you asked others opinion? >>> >> >>this realy beats me - I guess the number of things I'm not >>interested in >>far exceeds the fingers on boths hands (and toes on my feet ;) ), why >>should I start botherning the ietf mailing lists by asking opinions >>on the things I'm not interested in? >> >>< snip > >> >> >>>>c. if you are suggesting that we should specify virtual private atm >>>>switches taking atm forwarding decisions as well as >>>>particitating in atm >>>>dignaling, this is outside the current scope of ppvnp >>>> >>>> >>>How? PPVPN scope only mentions L2VPN, and does not talk at >>> >>all about any >> >>>specific L2. So I it seems to me it is pretty generic. >>> >>> >>> >> >>I can't see that it is the ppvpn wg tasks address every >>possible l2vpn, >>and I definetly think that atm signaling and switching is outside the >>scope of ppvpn. so if the argument for generalizing more is to include >>atm/fr signaling and switching, i don't see that is it as necessary. >> >> >>/Loa >> >> >> >>>>agree on that there are possible improvements on these >>>> >>sections in the >> >>>>draft, but also this is maybe something that would require >>>> >>a framework >> >>>>of its own? >>>> >>>> >>>May be, but at least a sentence could be added to show that >>> >>decoupling of customers' >> >>>QoS and decoupling of their survivability is desired by >>> >>service providers. >> >>> >>>>/Loa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>-Shahram >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>-- >>>> Loa Andersson >>>> Chief Architect, >>>> Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) >>>> Utfors AB >>>> Råsundavägen 12 >>>> Box 525, 169 29 Solna >>>> Office +46 8 5270 2000 >>>> Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 >>>> Mobile +46 70 848 5038 >>>> Email loa.andersson@utfors.se >>>> WWW www.utfors.se >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>-- >> Loa Andersson >> Chief Architect, >> Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) >> Utfors AB >> Råsundavägen 12 >> Box 525, 169 29 Solna >> Office +46 8 5270 2000 >> Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 >> Mobile +46 70 848 5038 >> Email loa.andersson@utfors.se >> WWW www.utfors.se >> >> > -- Loa Andersson Chief Architect, Utfors Research, Architecture and Future Lab (URAX) Utfors AB Råsundavägen 12 Box 525, 169 29 Solna Office +46 8 5270 2000 Office direct +46 8 5270 5038 Mobile +46 70 848 5038 Email loa.andersson@utfors.se WWW www.utfors.se From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Sep 6 10:36:08 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05420 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 58B2A3EC1A; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:49:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AAD3EC11 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:49:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.163.11) by hermes1.fth.net; 6 Sep 2002 16:37:07 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (erosen-u10.cisco.com [161.44.134.50]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g86Eb3KB006133; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200209061437.g86Eb3KB006133@sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com> To: Shahram Davari Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 05 Sep 2002 14:32:35 -0700. <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB0389A@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> Reply-To: erosen@cisco.com User-Agent: EMH/1.14.1 SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.2 (sparc-sun-solaris2.8) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:37:02 -0400 From: Eric Rosen X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 885 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Shahram> It seems odd to define the generic framework in PWE3 rather than Shahram> PPVPN. I don't know what you mean, the framework I was talking about is the PPVPN L2VPN framework. However, we have tried to align this with the PWE3 framework, which seems like a good thing to do. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Sep 6 10:55:30 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05987 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id B6DB33EC24; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:08:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533093EC14 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (216.241.224.12) by hermes1.fth.net; 6 Sep 2002 16:56:33 +0200 Received: (qmail 952 invoked by uid 104); 6 Sep 2002 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from Shahram_Davari@pmc-sierra.com by mother with qmail-scanner-1.00 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4218. . Clean. Processed in 0.873015 secs); 06 Sep 2002 14:56:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca) (134.87.114.120) by mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 14:56:31 -0000 Received: from bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [216.241.231.251]) by hymir.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (jason/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g86EuUw17369; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bby1exi01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:58:17 -0700 Message-ID: <4B6D09F3B826D411A67300D0B706EFDEB0389D@nt-exch-yow.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> From: Shahram Davari To: "'erosen@cisco.com'" Cc: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: RE: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ppvpn-l2-framework-01.txt Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:56:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 886 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Eric, I have no problem aligning this document with PWE3. 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    From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Sep 13 09:24:35 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA04593 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 2C5343EC18; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:37:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358DC3EC11 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:37:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (161.44.11.97) by hermes1.fth.net; 13 Sep 2002 15:25:40 +0200 Received: from bucket.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8DDPnBj029662; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnadeau-w2k.cisco.com (che-vpn1-79.cisco.com [10.86.240.79]) by bucket.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ABO76358; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020913092411.01c4bdc0@bucket.cisco.com> X-Sender: tnadeau@bucket.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:25:33 -0400 To: "Wenjing Chu" From: "Thomas D. Nadeau" Subject: Re: Question on draft-ietf-ppvpn-mpls-vpn-mib-04.txt Cc: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 898 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com At 06:10 PM 9/12/2002 -0400, Wenjing Chu wrote: >Tom et al, > >I have a separate question on the relationship among VRF, VPN, and interfaces. >The document clearly says that: > >a) VRF is an instance of a VPN on a device, and the whole collection is >the VPN >b) A VRF can have multiple interfaces associated > >The question is then, can an interface have multiple associated VRFs, for >its membership in multiple VPNs? Not at present. Currently only 1 VRF may be associated with any given interface. --Tom >Or, as some may say: >An interface's VRF contains all the information from all the VPNs that the >interface is a member of. (which would conflict with (a > >Can you clarify? Thanks. > > >Regards >Wenjing ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Sep 13 09:32:04 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA04882 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 587C43EC19; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:45:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FC43EC11 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:44:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from caryservices.com (208.203.140.172) by hermes1.fth.net; 13 Sep 2002 15:33:04 +0200 Received: from 209.91.254.68 (68 [209.91.254.68]) by caryservices.com; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:04:20 -0500 Message-ID: <3d81e9113d8159b7@hermes1.fth.net> (added by hermes1.fth.net) From: freeapproval0123893470639@yahoo.com To: writers@continuo.com, arshdeep@yahoo.com, eudinovo@yahoo.com, constie@hotmail.com Cc: ahonde@aol.com, arshdeeps@hotmail.com, ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:48:24 -0700 Subject: Guaranteed Instant Approval......... MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Precedence-Ref: l234056789zxcvbnmlkjhgfqwrty Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 899 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


    [M; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 36BBE3EC18; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:00:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB3B3EC11 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:00:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (169.237.105.25) by hermes1.fth.net; 13 Sep 2002 18:48:32 +0200 Received: from rachel (lhotse.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.217]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.1) with SMTP id g8DGmVZ19252 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201c25b45$6ee61a40$d907eda9@rachel> From: "yongjoo" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020913092411.01c4bdc0@bucket.cisco.com> Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:48:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 900 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremy, Olivier and Andrew: I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the context of PP CE-based VPN. As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says that: The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device and takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the considered VPN. Do we need some mechansims to select the best PE among many PEs to connect to the CE? If so, who is in charge of this and how? Regards, Yongjoo ---------------------------------------------------------------- Charlie ( Yongjoo ) Shin Department of Computer Science University of California, Davis CA95616 530-752-3128 (office) ---------------------------------------------------------------- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Sep 13 12:53:04 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12080 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id DF1C93EC1A; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:06:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3483F3EC15 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:05:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from exch-srv.CoronaNetworks.com (205.219.34.104) by hermes1.fth.net; 13 Sep 2002 18:54:04 +0200 Received: from shiv ([63.206.88.171]) by exch-srv.CoronaNetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:53:38 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Shiv Agarwal" To: "'yongjoo'" , Subject: RE: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:54:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c25b46$44a445d0$ab58ce3f@shiv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B0B.9846F470" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000005DE803E0F44587438FCD0959E7B35B22E4623200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002201c25b45$6ee61a40$d907eda9@rachel> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2002 16:53:38.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B694F80:01C25B46] X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 901 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C25B0B.9846F470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit isnt it guided by factors geographical and economical. the closer the PE is to the CE, the less would be the cost and easier would be the maintenance. -----Original Message----- From: yongjoo [mailto:yjshin@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:49 AM To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" Jeremy, Olivier and Andrew: I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the context of PP CE-based VPN. As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says that: The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device and takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the considered VPN. Do we need some mechansims to select the best PE among many PEs to connect to the CE? If so, who is in charge of this and how? 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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C25B4D.D824134C-- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Fri Sep 13 14:41:29 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15315 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id C7FC13EC1C; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:54:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD283EC15 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:54:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kodos.tazznetworks.com (68.15.57.177) by hermes1.fth.net; 13 Sep 2002 20:42:36 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:40:50 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Message-ID: <120DB10316D2B946A3A1BEFB82324BB12BEA7F@kodos.tazznetworks.com> Thread-Topic: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" Thread-Index: AcJbRXQaxvUKfL0sRr65LYXzjbwYqAAD3COA From: "Cliff Wang" To: "yongjoo" , X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 903 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id OAA15315 For CE based VPN, the tunneling end point is at the CE. The PE only provides the network access connection to CE. PE doesn't really participate in the actual VPN. -----Original Message----- From: yongjoo [mailto:yjshin@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:49 PM To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" Jeremy, Olivier and Andrew: I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the context of PP CE-based VPN. As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says that: The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device and takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the considered VPN. Do we need some mechansims to select the best PE among many PEs to connect to the CE? If so, who is in charge of this and how? 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(cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05832 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 097093EC18; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:24:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565093EC11 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:23:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.alcatel.be (195.207.101.250) by hermes1.fth.net; 16 Sep 2002 16:12:00 +0200 Received: from Bemail06.net.alcatel.be (relay3 [127.0.0.1]) by mail.alcatel.be (8.11.0/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g8GE61H06550 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:06:01 +0200 Received: from alcatel.be ([138.203.66.236]) by Bemail06.net.alcatel.be (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 2002091616115060:6291 ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:11:50 +0200 Message-ID: <3D85E6A2.644985E1@alcatel.be> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:11:46 +0200 From: dirk.ooms@alcatel.be X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Cc: dirk.ooms@alcatel.com Subject: draft-rosen-vpn-mcast-04.txt X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on BEMAIL06/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/16/2002 16:11:50, Serialize by Router on BEMAIL06/BE/ALCATEL(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 09/16/2002 16:11:56, Serialize complete at 09/16/2002 16:11:56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 905 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of questions regarding section 2 of the above mentioned draft: 1. Is there a one-to-one relation between a Multicast Domain, a VPN and the P-group address? 2. Why is the encapsulation of the C-packet into an IP header with as destination the P-group address and as source the ingress PE address not a sufficient solution (for shared trees: C-packet into PIM-register into IP unicast to RP)? Why are MPLS & GRE encapsulations needed? 3. Regarding RPF determination: is this part still up to date (Cisco white paper mentions a check in which the bgp next-hop address for the source address in the C-packet is compared to the source address of the P-packet)? dirk From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Sep 16 20:23:40 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20569 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 17FED3EC18; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:36:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEAB3EC14 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:36:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pop15.ucdavis.edu (169.237.105.25) by hermes1.fth.net; 17 Sep 2002 02:24:41 +0200 Received: from rachel (lhotse.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.217]) by pop15.ucdavis.edu (8.11.6/8.11.0/IT4.6.1) with SMTP id g8H0OcZ25169; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003c01c24584$85f15320$d907eda9@rachel> From: "yongjoo" To: "Cliff Wang" , References: <120DB10316D2B946A3A1BEFB82324BB12BEA7F@kodos.tazznetworks.com> Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:24:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 906 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremy, Olivier and Andrew: "Using BGP as an Auto-Discovery Mechanism for Network-based VPNs" says that in any PPVPN scheme, PE devices attached to a common VPN must exchange certain information as a prerequisite to establish VPN-specific connectivity. Is the above statement still true in the context of "PP CE-based VPN"? Thank you so much for your help in advance. Cheers, yongjoo ---------------------------------------------------------------- Charlie ( Yongjoo ) Shin Department of Computer Science University of California, Davis CA95616 530-752-3128 (office) --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Wang" To: "yongjoo" ; Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: RE: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" > For CE based VPN, the tunneling end point is at the CE. The PE only > provides the network access connection to CE. PE doesn't really > participate in the actual VPN. > > -----Original Message----- > From: yongjoo [mailto:yjshin@ucdavis.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 12:49 PM > To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com > Subject: Question about "An architecture for provider provisioned > CE-based Virtual Private Networks using IPSec" > > > Jeremy, Olivier and Andrew: > I have a question on the relationship between a CE and a PE in the > context > of PP CE-based VPN. > As one of the methods to achieve an automatic mechanism for membership > discovery/distribution when a site joins a existing VPN, the ID says > that: > The SP's management system takes care of provisioning the new CE device > and > takes care of updating the other CE devices that belong to the > considered > VPN. 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Thank you in advance, Charlie ************************************************ Charlie ( Yongjoo ) Shin Department of Computer Science University of California, Davis CA95616 530-752-3128 (office) ************************************************ ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01C260A7.F76A9F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dks_c_5601-1= 987"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I found that "PP CE-based VPN using= =20 IPSec I-D" metioned three possible methods to achieve the automatic=20 membership discovery as follows:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) using the SP's management system</FONT= ></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) pushing information from the SP's VPN= =20 database</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(3) using the SA signaling protocol=20 (IKE)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the other hand, "PP PE-based VPN I-D" g= ave three=20 possible examples of the automatic membership discovery as follows:</FONT><= /DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) directory server approach, in which VR= s query a=20 server to determine their neighbors</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) Explicit configuration via a managemen= t=20 platform</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(3) Piggybacking VPN membership and topolo= gy=20 information using existing routing protocols like BGP.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My question is as follows:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(1) Can we use the above three possible PP= PE-based=20 VPN auto-discovery mechanisms for CE-based VPN? If so, how?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(2) Because of BGP implementation or confi= guration=20 complexity, a DNS/LDP based solution for provider based VPNs has been propo= sed.=20 Can this solution be used for PE-based VPN and CE-based VPN? 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Message-Id: <10DKT.2FJR8N.ppvpn@dungareelove.com> Reply-To: ppvpn@dungareelove.com Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:40:47 -0500 X-Sender: ppvpn@dungareelove.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 926 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by ietf.org id IAA24991 All our mailings are sent complying to the proposed H.R. 3113 Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Act of 2000. Please see the bottom of this message for further information and removal instructions. PARENTS OF 15 - YEAR OLD - FIND $71,000 CASH HIDDEN IN HIS CLOSET! Does this headline look familiar? Of course it does. You most likely have just seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news program (USA). And reported elsewhere in the world (including my neck of the woods – New Zealand). 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After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT #5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT #4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT #3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT #2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. 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That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. ++++++++++++++ AVAILABLE REPORTS +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper or aluminum foil. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ REPORT #1: The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Net Order Report #1 from: C. Bernerd P.O. Box 242 New Freedom, PA 17349 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report #2 from: Mike W. P.O. Box 161 Freeland, MD 21053 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the Net Order Report #3 from: M. Eiseman P.O. Box 451971 Sunrise, FL 33345-1971 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #4: How to become a millionaire utilizing MLM & the Net Order Report #4 from: R. Chernick P.O. Box 771661 Coral Springs, FL 33077-1661 ______________________________________________________ REPORT #5: How to send out 0ne Million emails for free Order Report #5 From: G.M. 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From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Tue Sep 24 15:46:00 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA10336 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 5E5713EC17; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:58:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375903EC11 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:58:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [62.194.12.57] (62.194.12.57) by hermes1.fth.net; 24 Sep 2002 21:46:56 +0200 Message-ID: <3d90c1313d8ffa9f@hermes1.fth.net> (added by hermes1.fth.net) From: Kgalema Robert To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Reply-To: kgalemarobert@excite.com Subject: Please Assist Me Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:45:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9fe4cbb9-c0ac-4670-bd34-0c014b8dc1ba" X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 927 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format --9fe4cbb9-c0ac-4670-bd34-0c014b8dc1ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TEL:+31-630014894 CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL You may be surprised to receive this letter from me since you do not know me personally. The purpose of my introduction is that I am Kgalema Robert, the first son of David Kgalema ,a farmer in Zimbabwe who= was recently murdered in the land dispute in my country. I got your contac= t from the chambers of commerce here in Amsterdam hence decided to write yo= u. Before the death of my father, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the sum of US4.5 million (Four million, Five Hundred thousand Unite= d States dollars), in one of the private security company, as he foresaw th= e looming danger in Zimbabwe this money was deposited in a box as gem stone= s to avoid much demurrage from security company.This amount was meant for t= he purchase of new machines and chemicals for the Farms and establishment o= f new farms in Swaziland. This land problem came when Zimbabwean President Mr.Robert Mugabe introduced a new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and some few black farmers, and this resulted to the killing and mob action by Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society. In fact a lot of people were killed because of this Land reform Act for which my father was one of the victims. It is against this background that, I and my family fled Zimbabwe for fear of our lives and are currently staying in the Netherlands where we are seeking political asylum and moreso have decided to transfer my father=92s money to a more reliable foreign account. since the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction throughout the territorial zone of Netherlands, As the eldest son of my father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred without the knowledge of my government who are bent on taking everything we have got. The South African government seems to be playing along with th= em. I am faced with the dilemma of moving this amount of money out of South Africa for fear of going through the same experience in future, both countries have similar political history. As a businessman,I am seeking for a partner who I have to entrust my future and that of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is risk free. If you accept to assist me and my family, all I want you to do for me, is to make an arrangements with the security company to c= lear the consignment(funds) from their afiliate office here in the Netherla= nds as i have already given directives for the consignment to be brought to= the Netherlands from South Africa.But before then all modalities will have to be put in place like change of ownership to the consignment and more importantly this money I intend to use for investment. I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for this transaction. O= r you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment = of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to n= otify me. I have also mapped out 5% of this money for all kinds of expenses= incurred in the process of this transaction.If you do not prefer a partnership I am willing to give you 15% of the money while the remaining 80% will be for my investment in y= our country. Contact me with the above telephone number and through my priv= ate E-mail address(kgalemarobert@excite.com), while I implore you to mainta= in the absolute secrecy required in this transaction. Thanks, GOD BLESS YOU Yours Faithfully, Robert=20=20 --9fe4cbb9-c0ac-4670-bd34-0c014b8dc1ba-- From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Sep 25 05:02:19 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA19709 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 05:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 070543EC17; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:15:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5363EC11 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:15:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (62.23.212.6) by hermes1.fth.net; 25 Sep 2002 11:03:28 +0200 Received: from medine.ms.alcatel.fr (medine.ms.alcatel.fr [193.105.117.1]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/NETFR) with ESMTP id g8P93Ris015505 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:03:27 +0200 Received: from ms.ms.alcatel.fr (ms.ms.alcatel.fr [188.9.12.93]) by medine.ms.alcatel.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8/aar-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA00971 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:02:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alcatel.fr ([188.9.247.208]) by ms.ms.alcatel.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7/aar-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA11279 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:01:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D917C0D.A126826D@alcatel.fr> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:04:13 +0200 From: Arnaud Gonguet Reply-To: arnaud.gonguet@alcatel.fr Organization: Alcatel R&I X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: About PPVPN management References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 928 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, A couple of months ago, a draft on PPVPN management was submitted to this WG (draft-yacine-ppvpn-mgt-frwk-00.txt). This draft is the very first version of a ppvpn management framework. It aims at describing the ppvpn management reference model and deals with functions, protocols, information models. It could be seen as a starting point to define further standardization efforts on PPVPN related protocols or info models. To improve the contents and relevance of this draft, all requests and comments are appreciated. Thanks, Arnaud From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Wed Sep 25 12:10:31 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00998 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 7EE8F3EC18; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:23:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750F53EC11 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:23:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pop3.fth.net (62.194.7.234) by hermes1.fth.net; 25 Sep 2002 18:11:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3d91e0413d91381d@hermes1.fth.net> (added by hermes1.fth.net) From: "Mr. Bello Sese Seko" Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:11:55 To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Subject: I NEED YOU URGENT RESPONSE/CALL PLEASE? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 929 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NOTE: PLEASE DIRECT ALL RESPONSE TO EMAIL ACCOUNT CONTAINED IN THIS LETTER FOR CONFIDENTIAL PURPOSE. STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL FROM: Bello Sese Seko TEL : +31-618-850-030 E-MAIL: seko.bello@mail.com Attention Please, BUSINESS PARTNERSHIP SOLICITED May I take the privilege to introduce myself; my name is Mr. Bello Sese Seko a brother of the late President of the Federal Republic of Zaire, President Mobutu Sese Seko (now Republic of Congo, under the leadership of the Son of Mr. Laurent Kabila). I am currently under political asylum in the Netherlands. I presume you are aware there is a financial dispute between my family (the Mobutu’s) and the present Civilian Government. Based on what they believe as bad and corrupt Government on my late brother part, May his soul rest in peace. Following the above mentioned reasons, I am soliciting for your humble and confidential assistance to take custody of Fifteen Million,United States Dollars only (US$15M) also to front for me in the area of business investments you desire profitably well. Presently, this Sum of US$15 Million Dollars has secretly been deposited into a confidential security Company, where it can be released to you by the Security Company based on my recommendation on that note; you will be presented as my partner who will be fronting for me and my family in any subsequent ventures. For you might have heard how a lot of my brother’s bank Account has been frozen. To show my preparedness and appreciation to conduct this business with you, I shall give you 25% of the total money and 5% for miscellaneous expense and 10% on any profit realizable in the process of investment of this fund in your country. Please, I need your entire support and co-operation for the success of the business venture, your utmost confidentially, sincerity and secrecy is highly required, due to my family’s present predicament. Details of how I intend to carry out this project will be discussed as soon as I get a response of your willingness and interest. I sincerely will appreciate your urgent acknowledgment as soon as possible by contacting me on my Telephone number:+31-618-850-030 or E-mail address. Thank you. Yours truly, Mr. Bello Sese Seko NOTE: YOUR PHONE NUMBER IS VERY IMPORTANT, AS BUSINESS OF THIS MAGNITUDE AND NATURE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DONE VIA E-MAIL. From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Thu Sep 26 12:27:05 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA13697 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id 0E4473EC19; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:40:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0723EC11 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:40:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (171.69.24.11) by hermes1.fth.net; 26 Sep 2002 18:28:18 +0200 Received: from mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com [171.69.24.15]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g8QGS9Ha026053; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MCAST (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp176.cisco.com [10.50.0.175]) by mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.1.0.66-GA) with SMTP id AAF80070; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:26:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001701c26579$afc051a0$0101a8c0@MCAST> From: "Arjen Boers" To: , Cc: References: <3D85E6A2.644985E1@alcatel.be> Subject: Re: draft-rosen-vpn-mcast-04.txt Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:27:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 930 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dirk, Inline: > A couple of questions regarding section 2 of the above mentioned draft: > > 1. Is there a one-to-one relation between a Multicast Domain, a VPN and > the P-group address? Yes, the group address defines which VRFs belong to the same Multicast Domain making up the M-VPN. > > 2. Why is the encapsulation of the C-packet into an IP header with as > destination the P-group address and as source the ingress PE address not > a sufficient solution If you mean IP-in-IP encapsulation, then yes, this is theoratically also a sufficient solution. Vendors may choose another encapsulation if they have hardware supporting it. >(for shared trees: C-packet into PIM-register into > IP unicast to RP)? Why are MPLS & GRE encapsulations needed? I don't understand what you mean here. If registers inside the VPN are sent to an RP which is at another site, then these packets will be forwarded using MPLS encapsulation in the core as registers are unicast packets > > 3. Regarding RPF determination: is this part still up to date (Cisco > white paper mentions a check in which the bgp next-hop address for the > source address in the C-packet is compared to the source address of the > P-packet)? The section in the draft is correct and up to date. Cheers, Arjen. > > dirk > > From ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Mon Sep 30 09:37:24 2002 Received: from smtp-out.fteb.net (cerbere.minitel.net [193.252.91.94]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA03181 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix, from userid 0) id DF35F3EC16; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:50:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes1.fth.net (hermes1.pl.fth.net [193.252.69.31]) by smtp-out.fteb.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B133EC11 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:50:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.san.yahoo.com (209.132.1.30) by hermes1.fth.net; 30 Sep 2002 15:38:44 +0200 Received: from [65.213.193.52] by mail.san.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:42:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:42:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3D87C4450000BF94@mta08.san.yahoo.com> From: "Kavita Khanna" Subject: MPLS 2002 (www.mpls2002.com): Oct 27-29, Wash, DC To: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Loop: ppvpn@ppvpn.francetelecom.com X-Sequence: 931 Precedence: list List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: Sender: ppvpn-owner@ppvpn.francetelecom.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id JAA03181 Friends, The leading service providers, major networking and test equipment vendors, and many IETF contributors will gather at MPLS 2002, October 27-29, in Washington, DC, in the Omni Shoreham Hotel (http://www.mpls2002.com). This unique international event, which is in its 5th year, is hosted by Worldcom, Cable & Wireless, France Telecom, NTT and Isocore; and sponsored by industry leaders such as Alcatel, Avici Systems, Cisco Systems, CoSine Communications, Laurel Networks, Lucent, Nortel Networks, Redback Networks, Juniper Networks, Extreme Networks; IXIA, NetTest, and Spirent Communications. The exhibits will be open throughout Monday and Tuesday. There will be new product or software feature announcements. Prominent members of the press and well-regarded industry analysts will also be present at MPLS 2002. MPLS 2002 consists of a two-day highly technical sessions, six technical tutorials and exhibits. The technical sessions offer an excellent blend of topics including deployment, application, and management aspects of MPLS (please visit "Program" section http://www.mpls2002.com/sessions.htm). The event will be followed by the third public MPLS Interoperability demo, on October 30. Major vendors will showcase interoperability of their MPLS-based leading-edge features on their core and edge routers. We hope you would be able to actively participate in the MPLS 2002 International Conference. You may register (on-line or off-line) for MPLS 2002 by visiting http://www.mpls2002.com/registration.htm and following the instructions. The reduced registration fees, currently in effect, are extremely attractive. If you are planning to attend MPLS 2002, please make your hotel reservations at the Omni Shoreham Hotel immediately, as only a limited number of rooms, blocked for the conference at special rates, are left. You may visit (http://www.mpls2002.com/hotels.htm) for more information on hotel reservations. To celebrate the 5th anniversary of this series, all participants will receive the conference proceedings from previous years MPLS1998, MPLS1999, MPLS2000, MPLS2001) in addition to MPLS 2002 presentations on a CD. We look forward to seeing you at MPLS 2002, in Washington, DC. Regards, MPLS 2002 Team

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