From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 11 02:41:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5E13A6AC4; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:41:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1953A6AC4 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:41:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vR01Smz0jQ9h for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail4.lucent.com (ihemail4.lucent.com [135.245.0.39]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30053A6896 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilexp03.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-50.lucent.com [135.3.39.50]) by ihemail4.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id m6B9fIF4025572 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:41:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inexp01.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.65]) by ilexp03.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:41:25 -0500 Received: from INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.26]) by inexp01.in.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:11:22 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:11:19 +0530 Message-ID: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RFC1990 - Sending multiple packet fragments Thread-Index: AcjjOkVG/f1QSoh6QIeOc2CrjK4BaA== From: "Dharanalakota, Divakar \(Divakar\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2008 09:41:22.0202 (UTC) FILETIME=[47305FA0:01C8E33A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.39 Subject: [Pppext] RFC1990 - Sending multiple packet fragments X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1862576193==" Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1862576193== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8E33A.46D84761" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E33A.46D84761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, I have few doubts regarding the fragmentation of packets over MLLPPP bundle link. =20 It was not clear from RFC, whether we can send fragments of multiple packets be transmitted over the link interfaces simultaneously. I mean to ask can the reassemble end receive multiple B bit fragments without receiving the E bit fragment of first packet.=20 =20 Regards Divakar ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E33A.46D84761 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

I have few doubts regarding the fragmentation of = packets over MLLPPP bundle link.

It was not clear from RFC, whether we can send = fragments of multiple packets be transmitted over the link interfaces simultaneously. = I mean to ask can the reassemble end receive multiple B bit fragments without receiving the E bit fragment of first packet. =

Regards

Divakar

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8E33A.46D84761-- --===============1862576193== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext --===============1862576193==-- From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jul 11 08:58:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2344E3A6AD3; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119603A6AD3 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.823 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.223, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CK6uc+H8plWH for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147A93A68C8 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com ([129.148.13.5]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6BFx9AB024924 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:59:09 GMT Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id m6BFx94Z062656 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6BFePi8029320; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m6BFeN68029317; Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:40:23 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 11:40:23 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Dharanalakota, Divakar (Divakar)" In-Reply-To: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] RFC1990 - Sending multiple packet fragments X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Dharanalakota, Divakar (Divakar) writes: > It was not clear from RFC, whether we can send fragments of multiple > packets be transmitted over the link interfaces simultaneously. Yes. But if reassembly is done correctly, packets are always reassembled in the original order. > I mean > to ask can the reassemble end receive multiple B bit fragments without > receiving the E bit fragment of first packet. In order for that to happen, they'd have to have appropriate sequence numbers and be on separate links. It'd be an unusual case. When arranged in sequence order, the fragments must always be integral packets (excepting losses, of course). So, for example, I can fragment four packets like this (the notation I'm using here for the Name field should be "obvious," though it's not defined by any standard): Frag Name Description 1 1B-a First fragment of packet 1 2 1-b Second fragment of packet 1 3 1E-c Third and final fragment of packet 1 4 2BE Only fragment for packet 2 5 3B-a First fragment of packet 3 6 3E-b Last fragment of packet 3 7 4B-a First fragment of packet 4 8 4-b Second fragment of packet 4 9 4-c Third fragment of packet 4 10 4E-d Fourth and final fragment of packet 4 Suppose I have 5 links. I could schedule these packets: first 1B-a 1-b 1E-c 2BE 3B-a second 3E-b 4B-a 4-b 4-c 4E-d Now suppose that the third link (sending 1E-b and then 4-b) is "slow." The peer receives 1B-a, 1-b, 2BE, and 3B-a. It can "reassemble" 2BE, but it can't use that yet, because it hasn't finished with packet 1 (we're missing fragment 3). I think this corresponds to the case you're describing. We have "B" fragments for packets 1, 2, and 3 at this point, and the "E" fragment for 2, but we haven't seen the "E" fragment for 1, so we're stuck. Later, 3E-b, 4B-a, 4-c, and 4E-d come in. Packet 3 is reassembled, but we can't deliver it yet. We now have "B" and "E" fragments for all but packet 1. When the delayed 1E-c (fragment 3) finally arrives, you can reassemble *and* deliver packets 1, 2, and 3. Then when 4-b (fragment 8) arrives last, you can reassemble packet 4 and deliver it. Note that you're not required to encapsulate (or fragment) all packets when running MP. It's fine to send plain old IP packets at any time. They're just not provided any ordering. Perhaps the right first question here is "what are you trying to do?" -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Sun Jul 13 23:27:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989053A6A8E; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B0B3A6A82 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.930, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQ-xipeMP0xH for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail2.lucent.com (ihemail2.lucent.com [135.245.0.35]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528683A6A8E for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-1.lucent.com [135.3.39.1]) by ihemail2.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id m6E6Rtbb006294; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:27:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inexp02.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.66]) by ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:27:55 -0500 Received: from INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.26]) by inexp02.in.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:57:50 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:57:44 +0530 Message-ID: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Pppext] RFC1990 - Sending multiple packet fragments Thread-Index: AcjjbYbFv6oYr/CsRr2rByzT0LvXNACDB6YA References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> From: "Dharanalakota, Divakar \(Divakar\)" To: "James Carlson" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2008 06:27:50.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD6542C0:01C8E57A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.35 Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] RFC1990 - Sending multiple packet fragments X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org James, Thanks for the detailed explanation. My aim is to do the interleaving of the voice packets along with the data packets and provide smaller serialization delay for the voice packets. I have some more questions from your explanation. Can the sequence number have holes while sender is transmitting the packets. W.r.t the example, lets say 1B-a is having sequence number of 10, does 2BE need to have 13 only or can it start from some other number like 20. This means to say there is a jump in the sequence number from 13 to 20 while transmitting the packets. Here there is jump across the packets only, but sequence number is contiguous for all the fragments of a single packet. -Divakar -----Original Message----- From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:10 PM To: Dharanalakota, Divakar (Divakar) Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] RFC1990 - Sending multiple packet fragments Dharanalakota, Divakar (Divakar) writes: > It was not clear from RFC, whether we can send fragments of multiple > packets be transmitted over the link interfaces simultaneously. Yes. But if reassembly is done correctly, packets are always reassembled in the original order. > I mean > to ask can the reassemble end receive multiple B bit fragments without > receiving the E bit fragment of first packet. In order for that to happen, they'd have to have appropriate sequence numbers and be on separate links. It'd be an unusual case. When arranged in sequence order, the fragments must always be integral packets (excepting losses, of course). So, for example, I can fragment four packets like this (the notation I'm using here for the Name field should be "obvious," though it's not defined by any standard): Frag Name Description 1 1B-a First fragment of packet 1 2 1-b Second fragment of packet 1 3 1E-c Third and final fragment of packet 1 4 2BE Only fragment for packet 2 5 3B-a First fragment of packet 3 6 3E-b Last fragment of packet 3 7 4B-a First fragment of packet 4 8 4-b Second fragment of packet 4 9 4-c Third fragment of packet 4 10 4E-d Fourth and final fragment of packet 4 Suppose I have 5 links. I could schedule these packets: first 1B-a 1-b 1E-c 2BE 3B-a second 3E-b 4B-a 4-b 4-c 4E-d Now suppose that the third link (sending 1E-b and then 4-b) is "slow." The peer receives 1B-a, 1-b, 2BE, and 3B-a. It can "reassemble" 2BE, but it can't use that yet, because it hasn't finished with packet 1 (we're missing fragment 3). I think this corresponds to the case you're describing. We have "B" fragments for packets 1, 2, and 3 at this point, and the "E" fragment for 2, but we haven't seen the "E" fragment for 1, so we're stuck. Later, 3E-b, 4B-a, 4-c, and 4E-d come in. Packet 3 is reassembled, but we can't deliver it yet. We now have "B" and "E" fragments for all but packet 1. When the delayed 1E-c (fragment 3) finally arrives, you can reassemble *and* deliver packets 1, 2, and 3. Then when 4-b (fragment 8) arrives last, you can reassemble packet 4 and deliver it. Note that you're not required to encapsulate (or fragment) all packets when running MP. It's fine to send plain old IP packets at any time. They're just not provided any ordering. Perhaps the right first question here is "what are you trying to do?" -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 04:28:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF6D3A6A17; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A793A6958 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:28:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.149, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ScsCB6jGH+bn for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD483A6A17 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:28:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com ([129.148.13.5]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6EBSld1000245 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:28:47 GMT Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id m6EBSlFR029160 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6EBA1go002696; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m6EB9rmn002693; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:09:53 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:09:53 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Dharanalakota, Divakar (Divakar)" In-Reply-To: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] RFC1990 - Sending multiple packet fragments X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Dharanalakota, Divakar (Divakar) writes: > Thanks for the detailed explanation. My aim is to do the interleaving of > the voice packets along with the data packets and provide smaller > serialization delay for the voice packets. I have some more questions > from your explanation. For low-delay applications, I would suggest just not sending the delay-sensitive packets through the MP part of the system. Send them with PPP Protocol Identifier 0021 (IP) rather than 003D (MP). That way, the peer won't be required to reassemble them in sequence. > Can the sequence number have holes while sender is transmitting the > packets. W.r.t the example, lets say 1B-a is having sequence number of > 10, does 2BE need to have 13 only or can it start from some other number > like 20. This means to say there is a jump in the sequence number from > 13 to 20 while transmitting the packets. Here there is jump across the > packets only, but sequence number is contiguous for all the fragments of > a single packet. Such a scheme would only make things worse. On the long term, what you suggest. The microscopic result of doing that, though, would be a short stall -- until the algorithm sees a post-jump sequence number on all of the links, it cannot perform delivery on those post-jump fragments. It thus adds delay to the link. In other words, suppose you have those 5 links as before. When you transmit fragment number 20 on one of the links, the reassembler must wait until all of the other four links also transmit fragments past 20 before that message can be delivered. There's always the possibility that one of the links that most recently sent 13 or lower might start emitting fragments in the range 14 through 19. There's no way for the receiver to know that it won't. See section 4.1 of the RFC; that's what the minimum sequence number does. I still think you need to explain what problem you're trying to solve. You've got a mechanism mapped out (creative use of the sequence numbers), but I don't see what problem that could address. (If you go through the archives, you might find some earlier proposals to use MP link bundling without ordering and without encapsulation, particularly for very high speed links. These didn't go very far.) -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 05:06:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8769A3A681E; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:06:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10ED83A681E for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:06:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O6Czqc2-iiRg for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476DD3A6407 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-1.lucent.com [135.3.39.1]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id m6EC6LaT013857 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:06:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inexp01.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.65]) by ilexp01.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:05:59 -0500 Received: from INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.20]) by inexp01.in.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:35:57 +0530 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:35:56 +0530 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: How to access archives? Thread-Index: AcjlpP3IScDWIrsRS4SgfsmQJa8kawAAS5kA References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com><18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL><1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> From: "Vachiravel, Sabarinathan \(Sabarinathan\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2008 12:05:57.0435 (UTC) FILETIME=[F94520B0:01C8E5A9] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 Subject: [Pppext] How to access archives? X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Hello, If I click the Pppext Archives link on the main page, it gets me to a page where I can see messages only for the month of July 2008. Where can I find the archives for the older messages past July 2008? Thanks, Sabari. _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 05:48:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA9E3A68A8; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1111E3A6943 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:48:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.934 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.934 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4uyMxXGCgziM for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA2028C280 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com ([129.148.13.5]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6ECmepv011975 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:48:41 GMT Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id m6ECme8X048692 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6ECTpw3003528; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m6ECTe65003525; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18555.18100.511145.109489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:29:40 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Vachiravel, Sabarinathan (Sabarinathan)" In-Reply-To: References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] How to access archives? X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Vachiravel, Sabarinathan (Sabarinathan) writes: > Hello, > If I click the Pppext Archives link on the main page, it gets me to > a page where I can see messages only for the month of July 2008. Where > can I find the archives for the older messages past July 2008? That's odd. I went here: http://www.ietf.org/ and then drilled down to the pppext working group page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pppext-charter.html the "archive" link on that page got me a richer set of archives: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pppext/index.html This seems to span back to February 2004, when the new mailing list was set up, and not just July 2008. Where did you look? The previous list on merit.edu is gone, and apparently so are the archives it once held. I have copies of those archives through July 2001, but August 2001 through February 2004 are absent. (If someone has them please speak up, and I'll try to get them posted somewhere.) -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 05:51:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780903A6A03; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:51:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31663A6A04 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQJE4Tx-wqVt for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [135.245.0.33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC0E3A683D for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com (h135-3-39-2.lucent.com [135.3.39.2]) by ihemail1.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id m6ECpmeN023113; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:52:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from inexp01.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.65]) by ilexp02.ndc.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:52:16 -0500 Received: from INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com ([135.254.223.20]) by inexp01.in.lucent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:22:13 +0530 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:22:12 +0530 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <18555.18100.511145.109489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Pppext] How to access archives? Thread-Index: AcjlroySg+aL4wonSJSpaTp8PYyr+gAAadHw References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com><18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL><1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com><18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18555.18100.511145.109489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> From: "Vachiravel, Sabarinathan \(Sabarinathan\)" To: "James Carlson" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2008 12:52:13.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FC89400:01C8E5B0] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.33 Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] How to access archives? X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Thanks for giving me the correct link, Previously I looked here: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext and then clicked the link Pppext Archives. Thanks, Sabari. -----Original Message----- From: James Carlson [mailto:james.d.carlson@sun.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:00 PM To: Vachiravel, Sabarinathan (Sabarinathan) Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] How to access archives? Vachiravel, Sabarinathan (Sabarinathan) writes: > Hello, > If I click the Pppext Archives link on the main page, it gets me to > a page where I can see messages only for the month of July 2008. Where > can I find the archives for the older messages past July 2008? That's odd. I went here: http://www.ietf.org/ and then drilled down to the pppext working group page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pppext-charter.html the "archive" link on that page got me a richer set of archives: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pppext/index.html This seems to span back to February 2004, when the new mailing list was set up, and not just July 2008. Where did you look? The previous list on merit.edu is gone, and apparently so are the archives it once held. I have copies of those archives through July 2001, but August 2001 through February 2004 are absent. (If someone has them please speak up, and I'll try to get them posted somewhere.) -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 06:13:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F653A6A04; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:13:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D47D3A6A10 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.957 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.957 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zAUA-NV9ASoz for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com (sca-ea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.43.25]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3660A3A69B9 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 06:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com ([129.148.13.5]) by sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6EDE02o029075 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:14:00 GMT Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id m6EDE0Ee054850 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6ECtG4b003617; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m6ECtG8O003614; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18555.19636.86832.864330@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:55:16 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Vachiravel, Sabarinathan (Sabarinathan)" In-Reply-To: References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18555.18100.511145.109489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] How to access archives? X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Vachiravel, Sabarinathan (Sabarinathan) writes: > Hi, > Thanks for giving me the correct link, > > Previously I looked here: > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext Ah, ok, that explains it. They switched over bits of the infrastructure recently. The mailman archives aren't the 'official' ones, because the IETF has separate archives. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 12:12:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B136928C1BC; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D17B28C2A4 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6C2xHUT2Q2jS for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.31]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4F03A67A5 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so2209471ywj.49 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dZbTlfCLYojnaKbiB/pjyhI9Ewtd52LGxrpiMqiDgsw=; b=MUg1BRzrZxC9FzKYdhy66ove4FCuaCMMB6NlYLq7rSrXudqpgqZlEI/jXMjMaBzUG9 mPVwh8+ao41kETWKYOvNEV1VdZk2as5TgzL3j9a14JaDzpq9I9BTMHSAcgruoF2Zm43I HCVOzHi8WKS9dhRg2yMQvz/sL/8Vkd6q/+zas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KTKKDenTclKOMRzYxKU+G4lVxOBUQSJJQ/9sicOgM7bQm9/OqCDWgVJznaxczdgiPH 0PQwwjO1WNZ4wsFqkMdc93OdoE3CGUHGIKC2dm50V+M3BV1DgFV5FDbQ3UdU81W8JE9F SpIK4kCetzv5DDBukpbV0qBj/yi4WS41YKzic= Received: by 10.114.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr17984400waf.205.1216062748014; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FlatLand.local ( [68.43.151.153]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm5878664yxs.5.2008.07.14.12.12.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <487BA520.9010100@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:12:32 -0400 From: William Allen Simpson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pppext@ietf.org References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18555.18100.511145.109489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> In-Reply-To: <18555.18100.511145.109489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Subject: Re: [Pppext] How to access archives? X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org James Carlson wrote: > The previous list on merit.edu is gone, and apparently so are the > archives it once held. I have copies of those archives through July > 2001, but August 2001 through February 2004 are absent. (If someone > has them please speak up, and I'll try to get them posted somewhere.) > I have most everything since 1989 backed up somewhere.... And I'll try calling Merit to see what they've done with the official archives, as I'm never sure about outages over the years. I'll send you August 2001 through February 2004 directly. Those were fairly sparse years. _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext From pppext-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jul 14 13:08:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: pppext-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-pppext-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0C63A69E1; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:08:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pppext@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221633A68D9 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:08:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.972 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.972 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.074, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BOJuUEAoLUgc for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5503A680A for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m6EK90hv026832 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:09:00 GMT Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id m6EK8xhC025125 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m6EJgkVO005713; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m6EJgk1m005710; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:42:46 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18555.44086.161072.409712@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:42:46 -0400 From: James Carlson To: William Allen Simpson In-Reply-To: <487BA520.9010100@gmail.com> References: <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EA9B@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18551.32487.309046.329289@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1A209B72F475B54FB693B7EA2ED2980E81EAA0@INEXC1U02.in.lucent.com> <18555.13313.951771.980393@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18555.18100.511145.109489@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <487BA520.9010100@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Cc: pppext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Pppext] How to access archives? X-BeenThere: pppext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: PPP Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: pppext-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pppext-bounces@ietf.org William Allen Simpson writes: > James Carlson wrote: > > The previous list on merit.edu is gone, and apparently so are the > > archives it once held. I have copies of those archives through July > > 2001, but August 2001 through February 2004 are absent. (If someone > > has them please speak up, and I'll try to get them posted somewhere.) > > > I have most everything since 1989 backed up somewhere.... And I'll try > calling Merit to see what they've done with the official archives, as I'm > never sure about outages over the years. > > I'll send you August 2001 through February 2004 directly. Those were > fairly sparse years. Thanks! I've got ietf-ppplog.1990.01 through ietf-ppplog.2001.07, with the last message being 'Tue Jul 3 07:00:35 2001' from internet-drafts. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 _______________________________________________ Pppext mailing list Pppext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pppext