Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CB93A6452; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:44:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.483 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.483 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jGgDMhKjT0JX; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742103A672E; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:44:18 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9J9BNG6018922; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:11:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.55.43.53] (ams-bclaise-8714.cisco.com [10.55.43.53]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9J9BMXA028608; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CBD60BA.6030009@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:11:22 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ipfix@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090108080206020309070902" Cc: "pmol@ietf.org" Subject: [PMOL] draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-00 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 09:44:22 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090108080206020309070902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Here is a new draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-00 Abstract This document specifies an extension to the IP Flow Information eXport (IPFIX) protocol specification in [RFC5101 ] and the IPFIX information model specified in [RFC5102 ] to export application information. I would to request a slot to present this at the next IPFIX meeting. Please read it and provide feedback. Regards, Benoit. --------------090108080206020309070902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

Here is a new draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-00

     Abstract
     
        This document specifies an extension to the IP Flow Information
        eXport (IPFIX) protocol specification in [RFC5101] and the IPFIX
        information model specified in [RFC5102] to export application
        information.

I would to request a slot to present this at the next IPFIX meeting.
Please read it and provide feedback.

Regards, Benoit.
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Thread-Index: Actp6Zvb+Q+oGNK9To+jO3jnkeFlYg== From: "Jan Novak (janovak)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2010 08:43:59.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CF10A10:01CB69E9] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 01:59:18 -0700 Subject: [PMOL] [bmwg] Repeated WGLC on draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:42:50 -0000 Hi, A bit late but just few comments on the draft: Just a numpty in the text: The key areas of variation between different metric users include: o Suitability of passive measurements of live traffic, or active measurements using dedicated traffic o Measurement in laboratory environment, or on a network of deployed devices o Suitability of passive measurements of live traffic, or active measurements using dedicated traffic o Measurement in laboratory environment, or on a network of deployed devices In the context of this draft - section 5.1 and 5.4.2 most of the terms=20 used are self explanative, but wouldn't be so sure about the meaning of "Measurement Point" and "the measurement domain" - sounds familiar from IPFIX but not here ... Section 5.4.4 - doesn't the template miss the normative point (v) Measurement Point(s) from 5.4.2 ?? Jan The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ....=20 and the strong envy them. Dr. Johnson And yet the place establishes an interest in people's hearts; go where they will, they find no city of the same distinction; go where they will, they take a pride in their old home. RLS Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE3A3A68E9; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:16:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.275 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.275 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.324, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V6jmuxj7sz7c; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antivir1.rad.co.il (mx1-q.rad.co.il [80.74.100.136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CED3A682E; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exrad4.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.47]) by antivir1.rad.co.il with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2010 09:17:51 +0200 Received: from exrad4.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.47]) by exrad4.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.47]) with mapi; Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:16:50 +0200 From: Yaakov Stein To: Al Morton Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 09:16:55 +0200 Thread-Topic: [PMOL] Repeated WGLC on draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 Thread-Index: ActpP6sOtyT7sjoIQt6WXDeL+HFgTwAmunWQ Message-ID: <48E7911F78327A449A9FB95637667286A8219E35@exrad4.ad.rad.co.il> References: <201010111228.o9BCS55n016546@alpd052.aldc.att.com> In-Reply-To: <201010111228.o9BCS55n016546@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "pmol@ietf.org" , IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [PMOL] Repeated WGLC on draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:16:42 -0000 I think there are important ideas here. Three minor comments: 1) The acronym PM is used by the OAM community for "Performance Management" (in contrast to FM which stands for "Fault Management"). Re-use for "Performance Metrics" in a related field (especially considering the weak intercommunications between the communitie= s) could lead to confusion. 2) I understand that the entity/directorate will be reviewing documents that define performance metrics. Who determines which documents need to be = reviewed ? For example, what about an ID from some WG in transport or security that in= passing defines a measured parameter ? (Some directorates look at every document th= at makes it to the IESG) 3) I am not a strong supporter of meta-documents - I much prefer RFCs with meaningful technical content to those that dictate = internal processes. I see this document as a "Tao" for the PMOL and IPPM communities. I remember that 2418 mentions the concept of directorate, and found a list of directorates here - http://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorat= e/=20 but do not recall RFCs for the security, transport, ... directorates, except for the quoted 5706. Since I was not involved in the discussions in PMOL, I would like to know i= f alternative mechanisms for making this information available (e.g., a Performance Metric wiki) have been discussed.=20 Y(J)S -----Original Message----- From: pmol-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pmol-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Al = Morton Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 14:28 To: pmol@ietf.org Cc: bmwg@ietf.org; ippm@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] Repeated WGLC on draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 PMOL WG, cc IPPM and BMWG WGs, This message begins a PMOL WG Last Call on the following draft: Title: Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Developm= ent Author(s) : A. Clark, B. Claise Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2010-10-10 =09 This memo describes a framework and guidelines for the development of performance metrics that are beyond the scope of existing working group charters in the IETF. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.tx= t There has been discussion of this draft for over 3 years on the PMOL list and at meetings, both formal and informal. The previous WGLC closed on January 2, 2009. The Authors believe all comments to date have been addressed. Please weigh-in on whether or not this Draft should be forwarded to the Area Directors for publication as a Standards Track RFC. Send your comments to the PMOL list or the co-chairs. The Last Call will be open till November 8, 2010. thanks for your review and comments, Al Morton co-chair, PMOL WG _______________________________________________ PMOL mailing list PMOL@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7FB3A6A2E; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:57:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.452 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.452 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.344, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1eLvZEIiENhf; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail167.messagelabs.com (mail167.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C32E3A6A2A; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:57:45 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-167.messagelabs.com!1286801935!23674833!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 7961 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2010 12:58:56 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-10.tower-167.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Oct 2010 12:58:56 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCxBnJ003491; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:59:12 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCx39d003272; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:59:03 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCwhWm011613; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:58:46 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCwcg7011226; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:58:39 -0400 Message-Id: <201010111258.o9BCwcg7011226@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-228-37.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.228.37](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20101011125838gw100ei1sqe>; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:58:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.228.37] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:59:01 -0400 To: ippm@ietf.org, pmol@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [PMOL] Fwd: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-reset-02 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:57:46 -0000 IPPM, PMOL, Some folks may also find this draft & methods useful or interesting and wish to comment. Al >Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:39:49 -0400 >To: bmwg@ietf.org >From: Al Morton >Subject: [bmwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-bmwg-reset-02 >X-BeenThere: bmwg@ietf.org > >BMWG, > >This message begins the Second WG Last call on the draft: > > Title : Device Reset Characterization > Author(s) : R. Asati, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-bmwg-reset-02.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2010-10-10 > >A URL for this draft is: >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-reset-02 > >The Last Call will end on November 8, 2010. > >Since this is the second WGLC (1st closed July 21, 2010), >I ask folks to consider items where they commented earlier, >and make sure that the resolutions are satisfactory. >And it's not too late to read the draft for the first time. >Almost everyone of us has conducted this sort of testing and >should have an opinion on the methods. > >Please weigh-in on whether or not this Internet-Draft >should be given to the Area Directors and IESG for consideration and >publication as an Informational RFC. Send your comments >to this list and/or acmorton@att.com. > >Al >bmwg chair > >_______________________________________________ >bmwg mailing list >bmwg@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwg Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E178A3A69EA; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.414 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.414 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.382, BAYES_00=-2.599, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WJHGq0fCeNte; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail167.messagelabs.com (mail167.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C3D3A69B6; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 05:27:04 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: acmorton@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-167.messagelabs.com!1286800095!16756688!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.4; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 28712 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2010 12:28:15 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-2.tower-167.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Oct 2010 12:28:15 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCSVNx002589; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:28:32 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCST4P002582; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:28:29 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCSCHc016800; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:28:12 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o9BCS55n016546; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:28:05 -0400 Message-Id: <201010111228.o9BCS55n016546@alpd052.aldc.att.com> Received: from acmt.att.com (vpn-135-70-228-37.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.228.37](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with SMTP id <20101011122804gw100ei1sle>; Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:28:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.228.37] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:28:28 -0400 To: pmol@ietf.org From: Al Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: bmwg@ietf.org, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] Repeated WGLC on draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:27:06 -0000 PMOL WG, cc IPPM and BMWG WGs, This message begins a PMOL WG Last Call on the following draft: Title: Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Development Author(s) : A. Clark, B. Claise Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2010-10-10 This memo describes a framework and guidelines for the development of performance metrics that are beyond the scope of existing working group charters in the IETF. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt There has been discussion of this draft for over 3 years on the PMOL list and at meetings, both formal and informal. The previous WGLC closed on January 2, 2009. The Authors believe all comments to date have been addressed. Please weigh-in on whether or not this Draft should be forwarded to the Area Directors for publication as a Standards Track RFC. Send your comments to the PMOL list or the co-chairs. The Last Call will be open till November 8, 2010. thanks for your review and comments, Al Morton co-chair, PMOL WG Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341503A684F for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.128, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMqez-JU6tuk for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0423C3A6819 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:11:48 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9AKnRno016996 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:49:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.55.43.51] (ams-bclaise-8712.cisco.com [10.55.43.51]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o9AKnRi2029837 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:49:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CB226D7.2060503@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:49:27 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pmol@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080007080008070101070301" Subject: [PMOL] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:11:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080007080008070101070301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, Here is a new version of the framework draft. What is new? - improve the Performance Metric definition - change the title to RFC5706 - PM Entity defined as a directorate No more open issues in the draft. This should be ready for WGLC. Regards, Benoit. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:38:40 -0700 (PDT) From: IETF I-D Submission Tool To: bclaise@cisco.com CC: alan.d.clark@telchemy.com A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt has been successfully submitted by Benoit Claise and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework Revision: 05 Title: Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Development Creation_date: 2010-10-10 WG ID: pmol Number_of_pages: 21 Abstract: This document describes a framework and a process for developing performance metrics of protocols and applications transported over over IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize traffic on live networks and services. The IETF Secretariat. --------------080007080008070101070301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all,

Here is a new version of the framework draft.
What is new?
    - improve the Performance Metric definition
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No more open issues in the draft. This should be ready for WGLC.

Regards, Benoit.

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A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt has been successfully submitted by Benoit Claise and posted to the IETF repository.

Filename:	 draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework
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Title:		 Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Development
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Abstract:
This document describes a framework and a process for developing
performance metrics of protocols and applications transported over
over IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize
traffic on live networks and services.
                                                                                  


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--------------080007080008070101070301-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@ietf.org Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id C32B03A6858; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20101010204501.C32B03A6858@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 13:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: pmol@ietf.org Subject: [PMOL] I-D Action:draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:45:01 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Performance Metrics for Other Layers Working Group of the IETF. Title : Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Development Author(s) : A. Clark, B. Claise Filename : draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2010-10-10 This document describes a framework and a process for developing performance metrics of protocols and applications transported over over IETF-specified protocols, and that can be used to characterize traffic on live networks and services. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-05.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2010-10-10133840.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- Return-Path: X-Original-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: pmol@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA383A6EEC for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:27:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.129, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I3f9VQrQuhXT for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from av-tac-bru.cisco.com (weird-brew.cisco.com [144.254.15.118]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A8D3A6EEB for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 02:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from strange-brew.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-bru.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o969SVbL014665 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:28:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.55.43.51] (ams-bclaise-8712.cisco.com [10.55.43.51]) by strange-brew.cisco.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o969SVvA011419 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:28:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4CAC413F.3000503@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:28:31 +0200 From: Benoit Claise User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "pmol@ietf.org" References: <4C60DC4B.1050606@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4C60DC4B.1050606@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040505060907070001080302" Subject: Re: [PMOL] PMOL framework: changing the "Performance Metrics Entity" definition to directorate X-BeenThere: pmol@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Performance Metrics at Other Layers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:27:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040505060907070001080302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, I take as granted that there are no objections, and I'll apply the proposed changes. Regards, Benoit. > Dear all, > > The current PMOL "Framework for Performance Metric Development" draft, > draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-04, refers to the PM Entity as such: > > 3.1. Performance Metrics Entity (PM Entity) > > The Performance Metrics Entity, or PM Entity, which may in future be > a WG or directorate or a combination of these two, must coordinate > the performance metric development at the IETF. Similar to The > "Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New > Protocols and Protocol Extensions" RFC 5706 [RFC5706], which is the > reference document for the IETF Operations Directorate, this document > should be consulted as part of the new performance metric review. > > The PM Entity should be composed of experts in the performance > community, potentially selected from the IPPM, BMWG, and PMOL WGs. > > > Historically, it was decided that the PM Entity would a generic term, > directorate or WG, without a clear specification. The point was that > we would decide later on the content of this PM entity, after the > framework document was published. > However, now, a couple of years after the BOF at the IETF-69, a > directorate might seem a more suitable solution than a new WG. > > Would you have some issues to clearly specify the PM Entity as a > directorate? > This draft could then become a RFC similar to RFC5706 "Guidelines for > Considering New Performance Metric Development" > > Feedback? > > Regards, Benoit. > > > > _______________________________________________ > PMOL mailing list > PMOL@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pmol --------------040505060907070001080302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all,

I take as granted that there are no objections, and I'll apply the proposed changes.

Regards, Benoit.

Dear all,

The current PMOL "Framework for Performance Metric Development" draft, draft-ietf-pmol-metrics-framework-04, refers to the PM Entity as such:
3.1.  Performance Metrics Entity (PM Entity)

   The Performance Metrics Entity, or PM Entity, which may in future be
   a WG or directorate or a combination of these two, must coordinate
   the performance metric development at the IETF.  Similar to The
   "Guidelines for Considering Operations and Management of New
   Protocols and Protocol Extensions" RFC 5706 [RFC5706], which is the
   reference document for the IETF Operations Directorate, this document
   should be consulted as part of the new performance metric review.

   The PM Entity should be composed of experts in the performance
   community, potentially selected from the IPPM, BMWG, and PMOL WGs.
  
Historically, it was decided that the PM Entity would a generic term, directorate or WG, without a clear specification. The point was that we would decide later on the content of this PM entity, after the framework document was published.
However, now, a couple of years after the BOF at the IETF-69, a directorate might seem a more suitable solution than a new WG.

Would you have some issues to clearly specify the PM Entity as a directorate?
This draft could then become a RFC similar to RFC5706 "Guidelines for Considering New Performance Metric Development"

Feedback?

Regards, Benoit.
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