From pcn-bounces@ietf.org Thu Aug 17 09:57:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDiNB-0000AD-3d; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:25 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDiN9-00009w-Rw for pcn@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:23 -0400 Received: from zcars04f.nortel.com ([47.129.242.57]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GDiN8-0004or-G4 for pcn@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:23 -0400 Received: from zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com (zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com [47.129.230.99]) by zcars04f.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id k7HDvK217747 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:20 -0400 (EDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D508F9F3B3@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: What does "reservation" mean? Thread-Index: AcbCBQz0UZkm3k0LTM+FLM6Em+scpQ== From: "Osama Aboul-Magd" To: X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 944ecb6e61f753561f559a497458fb4f Subject: [PCN] What does "reservation" mean? X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Pre-Congestion Notification Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1650517829==" Errors-To: pcn-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1650517829== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C205.0D3EED95" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C205.0D3EED95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read the draft "draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt". In various palces of the draft there is the use of the word "reservation" and I am struggling with what does it mean in this context. Admission control and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation of a physical circuit for a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some equivalent bandwidth (virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this draft it is not clear to me what is the "quantity" that is got reserved. I tend to believe that the admission control presented in this draft is kind of a "soft" admission control with no associated reservation of any kind, except perhaps at the ingress. Had there been any reservation a problem like flash crowd would have never arised. In section 1.1.3 it is stated that an operator may want to implement only one(admission control and/or preemption). The discussion that follows focuses on admission control examples. Would it be possible to implement preemption only?=20 Regards; Osama Aboul-Magd CTO Strategic Standards Nortel Networks P.O. Box 3511, Station C Ottawa, ONT, Canada K1Y-4H7 e.mail: osama@nortel.com Phone: +1 613 763-5827 Fax: +1 613 763-2697 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C205.0D3EED95 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does "reservation" mean?

I read the draft "draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt". In various palces = of the draft there is the use of the word "reservation" and I = am struggling with what does it mean in this context. Admission control = and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation of a physical circuit for = a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some equivalent bandwidth = (virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this draft it is = not clear to me what is the "quantity" that is got reserved. =

I tend to believe that the = admission control presented in this draft is kind of a "soft" = admission control with no associated reservation of any kind, except = perhaps at the ingress. Had there been any reservation a problem like = flash crowd would have never arised.

In section 1.1.3 it is stated = that an operator may want to implement only one(admission control and/or = preemption). The discussion that follows focuses on admission control = examples. Would it be possible to implement preemption only?

Regards;

Osama = Aboul-Magd
CTO Strategic = Standards

Nortel Networks
P.O. Box 3511, Station C
Ottawa, ONT, Canada
K1Y-4H7
e.mail: osama@nortel.com
Phone: +1 613 763-5827
Fax: +1 613 763-2697

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Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:56:13 +0100 Message-ID: <75A199C5D243C741BF3D3F1EBCEF9BA5A2CBF9@E03MVZ1-UKDY.domain1.systemhost.net> In-Reply-To: <0BDFFF51DC89434FA33F8B37FCE363D508F9F3B3@zcarhxm2.corp.nortel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PCN] What does "reservation" mean? Thread-Index: AcbCBQz0UZkm3k0LTM+FLM6Em+scpQDAFG2Q From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2006 09:56:15.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A557220:01C6C508] X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2fe944273194be3112d13b31c91e6941 Cc: X-BeenThere: pcn@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Pre-Congestion Notification Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0452442100==" Errors-To: pcn-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0452442100== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C508.09A7095D" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C508.09A7095D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Osama, =20 Thanks very much for your comments. =20 You're right, there's no reservation of a physical circuit in the CL-region (which is the region of the internet enabled with PCN). =20 What we wanted to do in this deployment model draft was show one possible "big picture" where QoS is operating end-to-end: PCN as the QoS mechanism in the CL-region, and IntServ in the access networks between the end hosts and the CL-region. In these access networks RSVP signalling sets up an IntServ reservation. In the CL-region, as you rightly say, there's no reservation - instead our measurement-based admission control scheme is used to decide whether or not to accept the new flow request.=20 =20 Also, as I think you suggest, the ingress gateway of the CL-region will store RSVP signalling state and could also do policing (to make sure a source isn't sending more traffic into the CL-region than it's paying for). =20 The draft shouldn't use "reservation" to imply there's a reservation of capacity in the CL-region. Will try and make this clearer in the next version. Would appreciate it if you could point out the bits of text that were misleading.=20 =20 I'm not sure I'd say our PCN mechanism delivers "soft" QoS. We believe that the admission control / flow pre-emption mechanisms mean you achieve Controlled Load QoS (under the assumptions given in Section 2.2). =20 Re section 1.1.3 - Yes, personally I believe it would be possible to implement only the flow pre-emption mechanism of PCN - perhaps relying for admission control on the static traffic conditioning agreements of the DiffServ architecture [RFC2475]. But we think it's a good idea for us to develop both the admission control & flow pre-emption mechanisms of PCN. =20 Thanks Philip Eardley=20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Osama Aboul-Magd [mailto:osama@nortel.com]=20 Sent: 17 August 2006 14:57 To: pcn@ietf.org Subject: [PCN] What does "reservation" mean? =20 I read the draft "draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt". In various palces of the draft there is the use of the word "reservation" and I am struggling with what does it mean in this context. Admission control and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation of a physical circuit for a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some equivalent bandwidth (virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this draft it is not clear to me what is the "quantity" that is got reserved. I tend to believe that the admission control presented in this draft is kind of a "soft" admission control with no associated reservation of any kind, except perhaps at the ingress. Had there been any reservation a problem like flash crowd would have never arised. In section 1.1.3 it is stated that an operator may want to implement only one(admission control and/or preemption). The discussion that follows focuses on admission control examples. Would it be possible to implement preemption only?=20 Regards;=20 Osama Aboul-Magd=20 CTO Strategic Standards=20 Nortel Networks=20 P.O. Box 3511, Station C=20 Ottawa, ONT, Canada=20 K1Y-4H7=20 e.mail: osama@nortel.com=20 Phone: +1 613 763-5827=20 Fax: +1 613 763-2697=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C508.09A7095D Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does "reservation" mean?

Osama,

 

Thanks very much for your = comments.

 

You’re right, there’s = no reservation of a physical circuit in the CL-region (which is the region = of the internet enabled with PCN).

 

What we wanted to do in this = deployment model draft was show one possible “big picture” where QoS is operating end-to-end: PCN as the QoS mechanism in the CL-region, and = IntServ in the access networks between the end hosts and the CL-region. In these = access networks RSVP signalling sets up an IntServ reservation. In the = CL-region, as you rightly say, there’s no reservation – instead our measurement-based admission control scheme is used to decide whether or = not to accept the new flow request.

 

Also, as I think you suggest, the = ingress gateway of the CL-region will store RSVP signalling state and could also = do policing (to make sure a source isn’t sending more traffic into = the CL-region than it’s paying for).

 

The draft shouldn’t use = “reservation” to imply there’s a reservation of capacity in the CL-region. Will = try and make this clearer in the next version. Would appreciate it if you could = point out the bits of text that were misleading.

 

I’m not sure I’d say = our PCN mechanism delivers “soft” QoS. We believe that the admission control / flow pre-emption mechanisms mean you achieve Controlled Load = QoS (under the assumptions given in Section 2.2).

 

Re section 1.1.3 - Yes, personally = I believe it would be possible to implement only the flow pre-emption mechanism of = PCN – perhaps relying for admission control on the static traffic conditioning agreements of the DiffServ architecture [RFC2475]. But we think = it’s a good idea for us to develop both the admission control & flow = pre-emption mechanisms of PCN.

 

Thanks

Philip Eardley

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Osama Aboul-Magd [mailto:osama@nortel.com]
Sent: 17 August 2006 = 14:57
To: pcn@ietf.org
Subject: [PCN] What does "reservation" mean?

 

I read the draft "draft-briscoe-tsvwg-cl-architecture-03.txt". In various palces of the draft there is the use of the word "reservation" and I am struggling with what does it mean in = this context. Admission control and reservation in PSTN meant the reservation = of a physical circuit for a call. In ATM it meant the reservation of some = equivalent bandwidth (virtual circuit) for the request. In the context of this = draft it is not clear to me what is the "quantity" that is got reserved. =

I tend to believe = that the admission control presented in this draft is kind of a "soft" admission control with no associated reservation of any kind, except = perhaps at the ingress. Had there been any reservation a problem like flash crowd = would have never arised.

In section 1.1.3 it = is stated that an operator may want to implement only one(admission control = and/or preemption). The discussion that follows focuses on admission control = examples. Would it be possible to implement preemption only?

Regards;

Osama = Aboul-Magd
CTO Strategic Standards

Nortel Networks
P.O. Box 3511, Station C
Ottawa, ONT, Canada
K1Y-4H7
e.mail: osama@nortel.com
Phone: +1 613 763-5827
Fax: +1 613 763-2697

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