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----nq5EcGJoWoslGg8Ah-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 1 18:02:36 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20385 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6GMI-0004so-Mb; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:00:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6GMG-0004sa-Ul for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:00:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20158 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6GND-0008L3-RJ for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:01:53 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j21N0caX027186; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:00:38 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j21N0cqP019756; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:00:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id JAA19755 ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:00:38 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j21N0cfs004979; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:00:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j21N0P8o020089; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:00:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j21N0P8a003009; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:00:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.114]) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0ICP000H33WJHR@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:00:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1D6Ded-0004p9-00; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:07:39 -0800 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:07:34 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba To: pana@ietf.org, multihop-eap@opendiameter.org Message-id: <20050301200734.GM9374@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline Mail-Followup-To: pana@ietf.org, multihop-eap@opendiameter.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Subject: [Pana] multihop-eap bar-BoF X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Hi, This is an announcement of a bar-BoF meeting during IETF62 on running EAP over multiple IP hops between EAP peer and authenticator (multi-hop EAP). Date: 8pm, March 8th (Tue) Room: To be announced later Mailing List: http://opendiameter.org/mailman/listinfo/multihop-eap The purpose of the bar-BoF is to discuss scenarios where a multi-hop EAP lower layer could be useful or necessary and requirements for the design of such a multi-hop EAP lower layer. The scenarios and requirements are described in draft-ohba-multihop-eap-00.txt. An additional multihop-eap scenario is described in draft-kaushik-snmp-external-usm-02.txt. We will also discuss whether the extending the PANA protocol to work over multiple IP hops would be the best candidate for a multi-hop EAP lower layer. The bar-BoF meeting will be held separately from the PANA WG meeting because the scope of the multi-hop EAP is beyond network access authentication. Agenda: o Background o Multi-hop EAP usage scenarios - draft-ohba-multihop-eap-00 - draft-kaushik-snmp-external-usm-02 o Multi-hop EAP requirements - draft-ohba-multihop-eap-00 o Discussion o Wrapup Best regards, Yoshihiro Ohba and Gerardo Giaretta _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 10:31:41 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22924 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6Vhi-00086g-3A; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:24:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6Vhg-00086b-RA for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:24:00 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA21602 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 10:23:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dan.Forsberg@nokia.com Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com ([131.228.20.27]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Vir-0002so-BX for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:25:15 -0500 Received: from esdks002.ntc.nokia.com (esdks002.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.121]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id j22FO5A19294 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:24:05 +0200 (EET) X-Scanned: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:23:44 +0200 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.34 2004121512 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks002.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id j22FNi8D013187 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:23:44 +0200 Received: from mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.96) by esdks002.ntc.nokia.com 00wuISmg; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:23:43 EET Received: from esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh003.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.82]) by mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id j22FNZM23956 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:23:35 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebe016.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.55]) by esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:23:29 +0200 Received: from esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.44]) by esebe016.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:23:30 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:23:29 +0200 Message-ID: <6ABB3050C9864C4C801D6643379A7DDC0B7A0E@esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> Thread-Topic: PANA retransmission and PDI message Thread-Index: AcUfO8lC01X/+wHJRGaGexVbg2Y3rA== To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2005 15:23:30.0224 (UTC) FILETIME=[C9FCB300:01C51F3B] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9182cfff02fae4f1b6e9349e01d62f32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Pana] PANA retransmission and PDI message X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PANA retransmission and PDI message. pana-pana-07, sec 5.2: "The initial discovery and handshake phase requires special handling. The PaC MUST retransmit the PANA-PAA-Discover message if a subsequent PANA-Start-Request message is not received in time. Even though a PANA-Start-Request message is received, the PANA-PAA-Discover message may still have to be retransmitted. This is because stateless PAA discovery requires one time transmission of a solicited PANA-Start-Request message. The PAA MUST NOT start a timer and retransmit the request in order to avoid state creation. If the received PANA-Start-Request message included a Cookie AVP (an indication of stateless PAA discovery), the PaC MUST retransmit the PANA-PAA-Discover message until the first PANA-Auth-Request message is received. Otherwise, the PaC can rely on the PAA to retransmit the PANA-Start-Request message as soon as the PaC receives the first one (i.e., the PaC can stop sending the PANA-PAA-Discover message)." Shouldn't the PaC transmit a PSA message instead of retransmitting PDI? Br, - Dan _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 11:19:38 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28207 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6WV8-0000W4-0N; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:15:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6WV5-0000VD-GY for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:15:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27729 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:14:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6WW8-0004CC-6C for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:16:15 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j22GEgaX012329; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:14:42 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j22GEg7o017842; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:14:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id BAA17837 ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:14:42 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j22GEfp4019274; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:14:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j22GEeGO005107; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:14:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j22GEe8a009593; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:14:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.40]) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0ICQ00KKLFSA8C@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 01:14:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1D6Lg7-0005SO-00; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:41:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:41:43 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [Pana] PANA retransmission and PDI message In-reply-to: <6ABB3050C9864C4C801D6643379A7DDC0B7A0E@esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> To: Dan.Forsberg@nokia.com Message-id: <20050302044143.GT9374@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline Mail-Followup-To: Dan.Forsberg@nokia.com, pana@ietf.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i References: <6ABB3050C9864C4C801D6643379A7DDC0B7A0E@esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dan, You are right, and the issue is already addressed in the following thread: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pana/current/msg01455.html Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 05:23:29PM +0200, Dan.Forsberg@nokia.com wrote: > PANA retransmission and PDI message. > > pana-pana-07, sec 5.2: > "The initial discovery and handshake phase requires special > handling. The PaC MUST retransmit the PANA-PAA-Discover message if > a subsequent PANA-Start-Request message is not received in > time. Even though a PANA-Start-Request message is received, the > PANA-PAA-Discover message may still have to be retransmitted. This > is because stateless PAA discovery requires one time transmission > of a solicited PANA-Start-Request message. The PAA MUST NOT start > a timer and retransmit the request in order to avoid state > creation. If the received PANA-Start-Request message included a > Cookie AVP (an indication of stateless PAA discovery), the PaC > MUST retransmit the PANA-PAA-Discover message until the first > PANA-Auth-Request message is received. Otherwise, the PaC can rely > on the PAA to retransmit the PANA-Start-Request message as soon as > the PaC receives the first one (i.e., the PaC can stop sending the > PANA-PAA-Discover message)." > > Shouldn't the PaC transmit a PSA message instead of retransmitting PDI? > > Br, > - Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pana mailing list > Pana@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From Barrios@eyou.com Wed Mar 2 12:14:08 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04254; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:14:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from [85.136.8.49] (helo=gomail.com.ua) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6XRU-0005bl-3W; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:15:25 -0500 From: "Wegner Rene" To: "Kalita Yeemon" Subject: Re[1]: talk about her tabs Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 10:10:29 -0100 Message-ID: <223001c51f4a$232495f2$31088855@gomail.com.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0123_456789AB.CDEF0123" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6fc5b1c74c5bed09a3a9da2884900dec This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_456789AB.CDEF0123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ph acy is Ne st The est y of arm Inc e Yo xual Des Spe ume by % reas ur Se ire and rm vol 500 100 ural and de Eff - in con t to wel wn bra % Nat No Si ects tras l-kno nds. 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Since we already got comments on the -00 revision of the draft from Julien Bournelle last year, Dan is the second reviewer of PANA state machine document. Dan, when you come up with issues on PAA state machine, please send your additional comments. Regards, Yoshihiro Ohba ---- State machine comments ---------------------- Section 6.4. PAC State machine State WAIT_EAP_MSG_IN_DISC: How about PAA retransmitting PSR, or is it queued and consumed in WAIT_PAA state? State WAIT_PAA, 2nd EAP result, 6th transfer: what is the meaning of this? I.e. PAA sends PANA_SUCCESS as result code without EAP_Payload AVP and alt_reject() is executed. Is this really possible? States WAIT_EAP_RESULT_CLOSE, WAIT_1ST_EAP_RESULT, and WAIT_1ST_EAP_RESULT_CLOSE. Should EAP_RESP_TIMEOUT be here as well. Section 7.4 PAA State machine None for now. Editorial comments ------------------ Possibly a terminology section needed: "state block", "variable", "event variable", "configuration variable?" (i.e. explain the variables, their "scope" and differences). Chapter 4. 3rd paragraph: There could a figure showing the triplet before the text that starts with "All conditions are expressions that...". 4th paragraph: Fragment the sentence starting with "The exit actions in only one state block execute at a time, even if the conditions..". 5th paragraph: What is the reason for this? To simulate polling/event notification system. Section 5.1 EAP_Restart(): New session or eap reauth? Section 5.3 Add new line between the two last bullets. Section 5.6 "The following transitions can occur at any state.", but the state CLOSED is used in the end. s/retransmission/transmissions/ Could rephrase the "Reach maximum number of retransmission" or move it before the exit conditions where the exit action is Disconnect(). Section 6.1.1 and 7.1.2. "this procedure is enabled only after..." Could explain when disabled to get better picture (i.e. to say that it happens implicitly via the session termination?). Section 6.1.5 alt_reject() procedure example could help to understand. Section 6.2 and 7.2 Could separate event variables from the "others"? Are there for example configuration variables. [could even add a prefix like EVENT_, or CONF_, or STATIC_]. Section 6.4 State OFFLINE: 4th PSR processing transition, exit condition: s/PSA.S_flag/PSR.S_flag/ State WAIT_EAP_RESULT (return PSA). Authorize() and SessionTimerStart() order differs in the 2 first transitions. (consistency). Chapter 7. Explain that the PAA state machine is session specific, i.e. not supporting multiple session simultaneously. Section 7.2 Add new line before EAP_FAILURE entry. Section 8. s/be seamlessly be/be seamlessly/ Section 9.3 s/be bounded/be bound/ Section 12 (references) Add other authors to the draft-ietf-pana-mobopts-00. ---- _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 19:09:21 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA14921 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6dsf-0006Ag-He; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:07:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6dse-0006AW-Ip for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:07:52 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA14778 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.40]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6dto-0007By-7L for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 19:09:10 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2307XaX002606 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:33 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j2307WEN018745 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id KAA18744 ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:32 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2307W5O013448 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j2307VUj004631; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2307V8a019695 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead ([172.30.24.114]) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0ICR0002F1ODOO@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:07:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1D6PQv-0005ki-00 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 00:42:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:42:16 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: [vfajardo@tari.research.telcordia.com: Re: [Pana] Comments on draft-ohba-pana-statemachine-01 from Dan] To: pana@ietf.org Message-id: <20050302084216.GC9374@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline Mail-Followup-To: pana@ietf.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b045c2b078f76b9f842d469de8a32de3 X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org ----- Forwarded message from Victor Fajardo ----- From: Victor Fajardo Subject: Re: [Pana] Comments on draft-ohba-pana-statemachine-01 from Dan To: Yoshihiro Ohba Cc: pana@ietf.org, Victor Fajardo X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: vfajardo@tari.research.telcordia.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-94.messagelabs.com!1109798244!11097328!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.11; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [128.96.41.1] X-SpamReason: No, hits=0.0 required=7.0 tests= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) Hi Dan, Thanks for the review. Comments below: > >State machine comments >---------------------- > >Section 6.4. PAC State machine > > State WAIT_EAP_MSG_IN_DISC: How about PAA retransmitting PSR, or is > it queued and consumed in WAIT_PAA state? > Good point. I guess there is two(2) approach to this. First opition is not to handle PSR retransmission (retransmission is ignored as it is now) and we simply let EAP provide the outcome for the next state transition (i.e. via timeout or response). Second option is to provide an explicit PSR handler and we pass the retransmitted EAP request to the EAP peer (EAP will also take care of retransmission). It maybe best to use the first option since we really don't need to process retransmission. We already got the initial packet and already processing it. > > State WAIT_PAA, 2nd EAP result, 6th transfer: what is the meaning > of this? I.e. PAA sends PANA_SUCCESS as result code without > EAP_Payload AVP and alt_reject() is executed. Is this really > possible? > I agree. This is state transition also present in 1st EAP result and should be removed. > > States WAIT_EAP_RESULT_CLOSE, WAIT_1ST_EAP_RESULT, and > WAIT_1ST_EAP_RESULT_CLOSE. Should EAP_RESP_TIMEOUT be here as well. > I agree. > >Section 7.4 PAA State machine > > None for now. > >Editorial comments >------------------ > >Possibly a terminology section needed: > > "state block", "variable", "event variable", "configuration > variable?" (i.e. explain the variables, their "scope" and > differences). > Ok. > >Chapter 4. > > 3rd paragraph: There could a figure showing the triplet before the > text that starts with "All conditions are expressions that...". > > Mmm ... I'm not sure this can provide additional information since the figure would be very primitive, i.e. ascii figure: exit condition --> exit action --> exit state. I think maybe the triplet can already be easily implied from the state diagram/table itself. > 4th paragraph: Fragment the sentence starting with "The exit > actions in only one state block execute at a time, even if the > conditions..". > Ok. > > 5th paragraph: What is the reason for this? To simulate > polling/event notification system. > I think it attempts to state that in an event driven system, however means those events are generated ... via polling or some other means, that each event is evaluated if it meets conditions for the current state. In this sense, we can re-word the paragragh from: On completion of the transition from the previous state to the current state, all exit conditions for the current state (including exit conditions defined for the wildcard state) are evaluated continuously until one of the conditions is met. to: On completion of the transition from the previous state to the current state, all exit conditions occurring during the current state (including exit conditions defined for the wildcard state) are evaluated until an exit conditions for that state is met. > >Section 5.1 > > EAP_Restart(): New session or eap reauth? > reauth in some sense. Mostly has to do more with re-initializing an existing EAP session. The can re-word the descriptions from: "A procedure to (re)start an EAP conversation." to: "A procedure to (re)start an EAP conversation resulting in the re-initialization of an existing EAP session" > >Section 5.3 > > Add new line between the two last bullets. > Ok. > >Section 5.6 > > "The following transitions can occur at any state.", but the state > CLOSED is used in the end. > I agree. I will add more appropriate heading for the CLOSED transition. > > s/retransmission/transmissions/ > > Could rephrase the "Reach maximum number of retransmission" or move > it before the exit conditions where the exit action is > Disconnect(). > Ok. > >Section 6.1.1 and 7.1.2. > > "this procedure is enabled only after..." Could explain when > disabled to get better picture (i.e. to say that it happens > implicitly via the session termination?). > Ok. We can re-word from: "..... This procedure is enabled only after an EAP restart event is notified to the EAP peer." to: "..... This procedure is available after an EAP restart event is notified to the EAP peer and before any event resulting in a termination of the EAP peer session" Same can be done for 7.1.2 > >Section 6.1.5 > > alt_reject() procedure example could help to understand. > Mmmm ... I think the description regarding altReject variable in the EAP statemachine already well describes alt_reject()'s behavior. > >Section 6.2 and 7.2 > > Could separate event variables from the "others"? Are there for > example configuration variables. [could even add a prefix like > EVENT_, or CONF_, or STATIC_]. > > This is probably a good idea. >Section 6.4 > > State OFFLINE: 4th PSR processing transition, exit condition: > s/PSA.S_flag/PSR.S_flag/ > Ok. > > State WAIT_EAP_RESULT (return PSA). Authorize() and > SessionTimerStart() order differs in the 2 first > transitions. (consistency). > > Ok. >Chapter 7. > > Explain that the PAA state machine is session specific, i.e. not > supporting multiple session simultaneously. > I agree. Additional text should be added to clarify this. > >Section 7.2 > > Add new line before EAP_FAILURE entry. > Ok. > >Section 8. > > s/be seamlessly be/be seamlessly/ > Ok. > >Section 9.3 > > s/be bounded/be bound/ > Ok. > >Section 12 (references) > > Add other authors to the draft-ietf-pana-mobopts-00. >---- > > Ok. 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----4EWhO8ilht3G44T-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 3 06:40:20 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA11921 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6oQU-0005px-29; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:23:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6oQS-0005ps-S2 for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:23:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA08974 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 06:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: Dan.Forsberg@nokia.com Received: from mgw-x3.nokia.com ([131.228.20.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6oRn-0005VC-16 for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 06:24:52 -0500 Received: from esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (esdks004.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.159]) by mgw-x3.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id j23BNK904877 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:23:20 +0200 (EET) X-Scanned: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:22:59 +0200 Nokia Message Protector V1.3.34 2004121512 - RELEASE Received: (from root@localhost) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) id j23BMxOT027117 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:22:59 +0200 Received: from mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (172.21.143.96) by esdks004.ntc.nokia.com 00uN3VyN; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:22:57 EET Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh001.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.28]) by mgw-int1.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id j23B7eM14550 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:07:40 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebe009.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.41]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:06:11 +0200 Received: from esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.44]) by esebe009.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6881); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:06:11 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [vfajardo@tari.research.telcordia.com: Re: [Pana] Comments ondraft-ohba-pana-statemachine-01 from Dan] Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:06:10 +0200 Message-ID: <6ABB3050C9864C4C801D6643379A7DDC0B7A12@esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> Thread-Topic: [vfajardo@tari.research.telcordia.com: Re: [Pana] Comments ondraft-ohba-pana-statemachine-01 from Dan] Thread-Index: AcUfhaUAtjd6vAQ7SBqEz43RyCWrigAWuPRw To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Mar 2005 11:06:11.0369 (UTC) FILETIME=[02202190:01C51FE1] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Chapter 4. > > > > 3rd paragraph: There could a figure showing the triplet before > > the text that starts with "All conditions are expressions > > that...". > > > > > Mmm ... I'm not sure this can provide additional information since > the figure would be very primitive, i.e. ascii figure: exit > condition --> exit action --> exit state. I think maybe the triplet > can already be easily implied from the state diagram/table itself. A picture would easily clarify what the text is trying to say. But, yes, this is just a minor point. Br, - Dan _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 3 10:15:51 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04145 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6s0b-0006BZ-KP; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:13:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6qtn-0000KF-3s for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:01:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA25219 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from thumper.research.telcordia.com ([128.96.41.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6qv6-00011I-U4 for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:03:18 -0500 Received: from tari.research.telcordia.com (tari.research.telcordia.com [207.3.232.66]) by thumper.research.telcordia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j23E1X5u011953; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (tari.research.telcordia.com [207.3.232.66]) by tari.research.telcordia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08630; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:01:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <422718B9.6050209@tari.toshiba.com> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 09:01:29 -0500 From: Victor Fajardo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan.Forsberg@nokia.com Subject: Re: [vfajardo@tari.research.telcordia.com: Re: [Pana] Comments ondraft-ohba-pana-statemachine-01 from Dan] References: <6ABB3050C9864C4C801D6643379A7DDC0B7A12@esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <6ABB3050C9864C4C801D6643379A7DDC0B7A12@esebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:12:59 -0500 Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dan, >>> >>> >>Mmm ... I'm not sure this can provide additional information since >>the figure would be very primitive, i.e. ascii figure: exit >>condition --> exit action --> exit state. I think maybe the triplet >>can already be easily implied from the state diagram/table itself. >> >> > >A picture would easily clarify what the text is trying to say. But, >yes, this is just a minor point. > > Ok. I guess adding a figure would add value. 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I'm not sure this can provide additional information since > >>the figure would be very primitive, i.e. ascii figure: exit > >>condition --> exit action --> exit state. I think maybe the triplet > >>can already be easily implied from the state diagram/table itself. > >> > >> > > > >A picture would easily clarify what the text is trying to say. But, > >yes, this is just a minor point. > > > > > Ok. 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----HlrQUF693aKfohm-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 8 10:49:47 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA08864 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D8gqC-0005kv-Tj; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:41:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D8gq9-0005km-G6 for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:41:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA07937 for ; Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D8gsY-0007f9-V9 for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:44:15 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j28FfgL7016831; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:41:42 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j28FfgGF005426; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:41:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id AAA05424 ; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:41:42 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j28FffOI020558; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:41:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j28Ffffj019442; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:41:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j28Ffe8a007076; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead (iVPN01-047.mobile.toshiba.co.jp) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0ID1008RJI9C3Z@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Wed, 9 Mar 2005 00:41:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1D8gnN-0008DU-00; Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:38:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:38:53 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba To: pana@ietf.org Message-id: <20050308153853.GD31411@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline Mail-Followup-To: pana@ietf.org, multihop-eap@opendiameter.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Cc: multihop-eap@opendiameter.org Subject: [Pana] Multi-hop EAP bar-BoF X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Let me resend the multi-hop bar-BoF announcement with assigned room information. ---- This is an announcement of a bar-BoF meeting on running EAP over multiple IP hops between EAP peer and authenticator (multi-hop EAP). Date: 8pm-10pm, March 8th (Tue) Room: Salon F The purpose of the bar-BoF is to discuss scenarios where a multi-hop EAP lower layer could be useful or necessary and requirements for the design of such a multi-hop EAP lower layer. The scenarios and requirements are described in draft-ohba-multihop-eap-00.txt. An additional multihop-eap scenario is described in draft-kaushik-snmp-external-usm-02.txt. We will also discuss whether the extending the PANA protocol to work over multiple IP hops would be the best candidate for a multi-hop EAP lower layer. The bar-BoF meeting will be held separately from the PANA WG meeting because the scope of the multi-hop EAP is beyond network access authentication. Agenda: o Background o Multi-hop EAP usage scenarios - draft-ohba-multihop-eap-00 - draft-kaushik-snmp-external-usm-02 o Multi-hop EAP requirements - draft-ohba-multihop-eap-00 o Discussion o Wrapup Yoshihiro Ohba and Gerardo Giaretta _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 10 09:31:47 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19232 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D9OdP-00030A-W2; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:27:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D9OdP-000302-4k for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:27:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA18957 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D9Og7-0002ZE-3o for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:30:25 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2AEREL7020395; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j2AERFYH018024; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:27:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id ZAA18019 ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:27:15 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2AEREwW017883; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j2AEREof027910; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2AERE8a029877; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead (iVPN11-155.mobile.toshiba.co.jp) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0ID500D3Q4590C@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:27:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1D9GgJ-0000bQ-00; Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:57:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:57:58 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba To: pana@ietf.org Message-id: <20050310055758.GF929@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline Mail-Followup-To: pana@ietf.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [Pana] pana-snmp issue X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org The following issue was raised in the IETF62 PANA meeting with regard to pana-snmp I-D: Can we define MIB objects to carry cryptographic protection parameters of any link-layer type? 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Hi
 
I have a few questions with respect to the processing of Grouped AVPs
 
When an AVP inside a Grouped AVP is in error or is unrecognized, what should the resulting
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 If the Grouped AVP itself is sent, and the inner AVP is unrecognized, what should
be the error code - PANA_AVP_UNSUPPORTED or PANA_INVALID_AVP_DATA ??
 
Thanks and Regards
Sasikanth
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Unless there is an objection on the ML in a week, we'll take them as final. - We will remove the 1-hop limitation on the PANA specification. Since there is an explicit statement on that in the current charter, we'll ask the IESG for a rechartering. http://panasec.org/IETF62/IETF62-PANA-mhop.ppt. - Jari Arkko is now PANA WG's Technical Advisor. - draft-lior-pana-radius-00.txt is accepted as a standards track WG item. Chairs _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 15 19:18:04 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA07907 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBMCk-0006NR-IG; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:16:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBMCh-0006NG-2f for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:16:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA07794 for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBMGZ-00034h-Dz for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:20:04 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IDF0050Q4Q84O@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:15:44 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDF00HX14PNDM@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:15:23 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.144.29.41]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0IDF001EY4PL69@mmp2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:15:23 +0900 (KST) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:15:21 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [Pana] pana-snmp issue In-reply-to: <20050310055758.GF929@steelhead> To: "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" , pana@ietf.org Message-id: <004701c529bd$3f0c0fc0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > The following issue was raised in the IETF62 PANA meeting with regard > to pana-snmp I-D: > > Can we define MIB objects to carry cryptographic protection > parameters of any link-layer type? I am hoping that we can simply define a structure that can serve the need of practically any link type. If we can convey a "L2 address" and a "master key" to the EP, that should be sufficient. We don't need to define the exact format of all L2 types for the "L2 address". Instead we can follow the scalable approach taken in RFC 2461, where exact format for FOO address type is deferred to IP-over-FOO document. This way we don't have to rely on any other document but a single PANA-SNMP spec. Does this make sense? 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Otherwise, we will fall back to a "NATs not supported". Please see slides 8 and 9 on http://panasec.org/IETF62/IETF62-PANA-mhop.ppt. A- Issue with IP address payloads A.1- PaC DI vs. source IP address check: Earlier on the mailing list we had decided to drop this integrity check, as it was making a failed attempt at solving another problem (IP address ownership). PANA can run between the PaC and PAA using whatever PaC IP address appears to PAA. The PaC's DI will be set to the IP address that is physically configured on the PaC. And that's the address conveyed to the EP from PAA. And that should work fine (think IKE and IPsec between the PaC and EP). A.2- IP-Address AVP used by PaC: PaC sends that only when it reconfigures a POPA and replaces PRPA with POPA. Similar to A.1, this should work fine. A.3- IP-Address AVP used by PAA: I couldn't figure out why we needed this. Unless someone has an idea, I think we not send this AVP from PAA. 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----ZTEKkVvDeGPgF1AuA-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 17 13:19:33 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02753 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBzXy-0005hG-Gi; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:16:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBzXv-0005h8-Vp for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:16:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02543 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.170.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBzcD-0001fS-BE for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:21:01 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO adithya) (mohanp@sbcglobal.net@64.172.57.179 with login) by smtp815.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2005 18:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c52b1d$737b17e0$6601a8c0@adithya> From: "Mohan Parthasarathy" To: "Alper Yegin" , References: <004f01c529c2$462c4db0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> Subject: Re: [Pana] NAT traversal Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:16:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf3becbbd6d1a45acbe2ffd4ab88bdc2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > At IETF62, we decided if we can handle NAT traversal in a clean and easy > way, we shall do it. Otherwise, we will fall back to a "NATs not > supported". > > Please see slides 8 and 9 on > http://panasec.org/IETF62/IETF62-PANA-mhop.ppt. > > A- Issue with IP address payloads > > A.1- PaC DI vs. source IP address check: > > Earlier on the mailing list we had decided to drop this > integrity check, as it was making a failed attempt at solving > another problem (IP address ownership). > > PANA can run between the PaC and PAA using whatever PaC IP > address appears to PAA. The PaC's DI will be set to the IP > address that is physically configured on the PaC. And that's > the address conveyed to the EP from PAA. And that should work > fine (think IKE and IPsec between the PaC and EP). > The pana-ipsec draft says that the PRPA is sent to the EP along with other parameters. Perhaps that can be fixed to say "device identifier is sent to the EP". > A.2- IP-Address AVP used by PaC: > > PaC sends that only when it reconfigures a POPA and replaces > PRPA with POPA. Similar to A.1, this should work fine. > > A.3- IP-Address AVP used by PAA: > > I couldn't figure out why we needed this. Unless someone has > an idea, I think we not send this AVP from PAA. > > > B- Destination port issue > > The PAA sets the destination port to PANA_port on the requests it > sends to the PaC. In that case, the NAT will fail to map the > request message to a PaC behind it. > > We can solve this issue by stating: > > - The destination port must be set to PANA_port only when the sender > does not know the peer's port number. After the initial exchange, > both the PaC and PAA will know each other's port numbers. > Subsequent > exchanges must use those ports as source and destination. > > Assumption is that, the PANA session will start by a PDI sent by > the > PaC. > > > Though these looks like simple steps to enable NAT traversal, are they > really sufficient? Are they other issues we are missing? > Here are the couple of other questions that i had.. 1) The NAT mapping of the PaC address might timeout. This means that the IP address of the PaC seen by the PAA might change over a period of time unless some keepalives are sent. I don't know whether this is a problem or not. PAA can still use the session-id to locate the session. If so, does the changing IP address cause problems ? Do we need keepalives ? 2) In RFC3580 (802.1x radius usage guidelines), it says that the calling-station-id is the supplicant's MAC address. This is not true anymore with multi-hop PANA. With NAT, the same happens with IP address. In 802.11i, AFAIK, the supplicant's MAC address is not included in PMK derivation and only used later in the 4-way association protocol. This is not a problem for PANA because the device-ID (MAC address) gets passed before the 4-way association protocol is run. So, not passing the real calling-station-id is safe today. Is this okay in general ? Just something to think about.. Perhaps there are others.. -mohan > Alper > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pana mailing list > Pana@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From CathyBeck@pswebmin.org Thu Mar 17 17:06:52 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA25696; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from host50.foretec.com ([65.246.255.50] helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DC3D8-00086Q-4O; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:11:22 -0500 Received: from 69-200-240-196.nyc.rr.com ([69.200.240.196]) by mx2.foretec.com with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1DC38l-0006L7-MX; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:06:51 -0500 Received: from DRgA@localhost by dTcW.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:58:29 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Melanie Haynes" Reply-To: "Melanie Haynes" To: pana-admin@ietf.org, pana-archive@ietf.org, pana-web-archive@ietf.org, pana@ietf.org Subject: Re: OEM XP, Systemworks, & Adobe, Windows on Sale Now Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:02:29 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: CathyBeck@pswebmin.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--1cFtxDDdNqVht3r8Y0" X-Spam-Score: 3.7 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 3c84bd88e6bbcc6464f782162bb7ae94 seo ----1cFtxDDdNqVht3r8Y0 Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable B
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Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:46:55 +0900 Message-ID: <00fb01c52b8e$8b967150$420cfe81@FlyToWorld> From: "Junghoon Jee" To: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:46:07 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 07:46:55.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[A7D5E350:01C52B8E] X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0072530704==" Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org --===============0072530704== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGVsbG8gQUxMLA0KDQpIZXJlIGlzIGEgc2hvcnQgZGVzY3JpcHRpb24gb2YgYSBuZXcgUEFBIGRp c2NvdmVyeSBzY2hlbWUgaW4gdGhlIG11bHRpLWhvcCBQQU5BIGVudmlyb25tZW50Lg0KDQorIE5l dyBQQU5BIGRpc2NvdmVyeSBtZXNzYWdlIGZvciBsb2NhdGluZyBQQUEgDQogICAgLSBVc2Ugb2Yg YW55Y2FzdCBtZXNzYWdlDQogICAgLSBTZWVkIGluZm9ybWF0aW9uIHRvIGxvb2sgdXAgdGhlIHNw ZWNpZmljIFBBQSA6IG5ldHdvcmsgcHJlZml4IG9mIFBBQQ0KICAgLSBTdGVwcyAgDQogICAgICAg ICAqIFBhQyBzZW5kcyBhbiBhbnljYXN0IFBBTkEgZGlzY292ZXJ5IG1lc3NhZ2UgdXNpbmcgdGhl IGhvbWUgbmV0d29yayBwcmVmaXggdG8gaXRzIGhvbWUgUEFBIGRvbWFpbi4NCiAgICAgICAgICog QSBQQUEgcmVzcG9uZHMgdG8gaXQgd2l0aCBhIFBBTkEtc3RhcnQtcmVxdWVzdCAoUFNSKSBtZXNz YWdlLiAgDQogICAgICAgICAqIFRoZSBNTiByZXNwb25kcyB3aXRoIGEgUEFOQS1zdGFydC1hbnN3 ZXIgKFBTQSkgbWVzc2FnZSB0byB0aGUgUEFBLiANCg0KQXMgeW91IGV4cGVjdCwgdGhpcyBzY2hl bWUgcmVxdWlyZXMgdGhlIHByZS1jb25maWd1cmF0aW9uIG9mIFBBQSdzIG5ldHdvcmsgcHJlZml4 IHRvIHRoZSBQYUMuDQoNCkJUVywgcmVsYXRlZCB3aXRoIHRoZSBvbi1nb2luZyBkaXNjdXNzaW9u IG9mIE1JUDYgV0cncyBib290c3RyYXBwaW5nIHNvbHV0aW9uLA0Kd2UgY2FuIGFzc3VtZSB0aGUg cHJlLWNvbmZpZ3VyYXRpb24gb2YgaG9tZSBuZXR3b3JrIHByZWZpeCBvciBkb21haW4gbmFtZShG UUROKSBvZiBIQS4NCg0KQ2FuIHdlIHVzZSBzaW1pbGFyIGFwcHJvYWNoIGJ5IHByZS1jb25maWd1 cmluZyB0aGUgc3BlY2lmaWMgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gaW4gdGhlIG11bHRpLWhvcCBQQU5BIGVudmly b25tZW50ID8NCg0KQW55IGNvbW1lbnRzIGFuZCBxdWVzdGlvbnMgYXJlIHdlbGNvbWUuDQoNClJl Z2FyZHMsDQpKdW5naG9vbg== --===============0072530704== Content-Type: text/plain; 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Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:24:08 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EED789871; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:19:22 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <423A9D30.60407@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:19:44 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Junghoon Jee Subject: Re: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA References: <00fb01c52b8e$8b967150$420cfe81@FlyToWorld> In-Reply-To: <00fb01c52b8e$8b967150$420cfe81@FlyToWorld> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Junghoon, and thanks for bringing up the details of the discovery scheme. I have a few questions, however: >Here is a short description of a new PAA discovery scheme in the multi-hop PANA environment. > >+ New PANA discovery message for locating PAA > - Use of anycast message > - Seed information to look up the specific PAA : network prefix of PAA > - Steps > * PaC sends an anycast PANA discovery message using the home network prefix to its home PAA domain. > * A PAA responds to it with a PANA-start-request (PSR) message. > * The MN responds with a PANA-start-answer (PSA) message to the PAA. > >As you expect, this scheme requires the pre-configuration of PAA's network prefix to the PaC. > What's a "home PAA domain"? Presumably PANA is used for network access (even when you run it in multi-hop mode). This would seem to imply that depending on where you are, you get a different PAA. So why would we need to send something to a ?home PAA"? Or is your idea that you send a message towards the home PAA, and then the local PAA captures that on the path, and starts doing PANA with you? How about having a fixed anycast address for "local PAAs", or a DHCP option for discovering a PAA and that there is a need for PAA? Or a solution that is triggered by an attempt to send packets. The DHCP solution has worked well for DNS discovery. --Jari _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 18 04:28:30 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA12804 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCDl1-000564-E1; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:27:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCDkz-00055S-4d for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:27:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA12672 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DCDpN-0006Fb-JJ for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:31:34 -0500 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by parsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:26:56 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE : [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:26:55 +0100 Message-ID: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB0260203E116@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Thread-Topic: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA Thread-Index: AcUrnAi4oP9WLikLQ2ShRs7H9VA04gAADj5g From: "MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS" To: "Jari Arkko" , "Junghoon Jee" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 09:26:56.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[A0E34A70:01C52B9C] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jari, We (Alper and I) are producing a detailed description of the PAA = discovery procedure based on the use of a specific DHCP option. I think that this scheme will some the problem of PAA discovery in a = multi-hop context (as mentioned by Alper during the meeting). BR, Lionel > -----Message d'origine----- > De : pana-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pana-bounces@ietf.org] De=20 > la part de Jari Arkko > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 mars 2005 10:20 > =C0 : Junghoon Jee > Cc : pana@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA >=20 >=20 > Hi Junghoon, >=20 > and thanks for bringing up the details of the discovery=20 > scheme. I have a few questions, however: >=20 > >Here is a short description of a new PAA discovery scheme in the=20 > >multi-hop PANA environment. > > > >+ New PANA discovery message for locating PAA > > - Use of anycast message > > - Seed information to look up the specific PAA : network=20 > prefix of PAA > > - Steps =20 > > * PaC sends an anycast PANA discovery message using=20 > the home network prefix to its home PAA domain. > > * A PAA responds to it with a PANA-start-request=20 > (PSR) message. =20 > > * The MN responds with a PANA-start-answer (PSA) message to=20 > > the PAA. > > > >As you expect, this scheme requires the pre-configuration of PAA's=20 > >network prefix to the PaC. > > > What's a "home PAA domain"? Presumably PANA is used for=20 > network access (even when you run it in multi-hop mode). This=20 > would seem to imply that depending on where you are, you get=20 > a different PAA. So why would we need to send something to a=20 > ?home PAA"? Or is your idea that you send a message towards=20 > the home PAA, and then the local PAA captures that on the=20 > path, and starts doing PANA with you? >=20 > How about having a fixed anycast address for "local PAAs", or=20 > a DHCP option for discovering a PAA and that there is a need=20 > for PAA? Or a solution that is triggered by an attempt to=20 > send packets. The DHCP solution has worked well for DNS discovery. >=20 > --Jari >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pana mailing list > Pana@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana >=20 _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 18 04:53:24 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14820 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:53:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCE7Q-0000jb-VV; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:50:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCE6p-0000Xg-Sb for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:49:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA14607 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns2.tilab.com ([163.162.42.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DCEBF-0006hs-DS for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:54:09 -0500 Received: from iowa2k01b.cselt.it ([163.162.242.202]) by dns2.cselt.it (PMDF V6.1 #38895) with ESMTP id <0IDJ00310K3CU9@dns2.cselt.it> for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:38:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from EXC01B.cselt.it ([163.162.4.199]) by iowa2k01b.cselt.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:48:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:49:21 +0100 From: Gerardo Giaretta Subject: RE: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA To: Jari Arkko , Junghoon Jee Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Importance: normal Priority: normal Thread-Topic: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA Thread-Index: AcUrm/oHeuTHZyV8QxOVs1Xf2PV9qQAApyCQ Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2005 09:48:43.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC00DFA0:01C52B9F] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Hi Junghoon, >=20 > and thanks for bringing up the details of the discovery scheme. > I have a few questions, however: >=20 > >Here is a short description of a new PAA discovery scheme in=20 > the multi-hop PANA environment. > > > >+ New PANA discovery message for locating PAA=20 > > - Use of anycast message > > - Seed information to look up the specific PAA : network=20 > prefix of PAA > > - Steps =20 > > * PaC sends an anycast PANA discovery message using=20 > the home network prefix to its home PAA domain. > > * A PAA responds to it with a PANA-start-request=20 > (PSR) message. =20 > > * The MN responds with a PANA-start-answer (PSA)=20 > message to the PAA.=20 > > > >As you expect, this scheme requires the pre-configuration of=20 > PAA's network prefix to the PaC. > > > What's a "home PAA domain"? Presumably PANA is used for=20 > network access (even > when you run it in multi-hop mode). This would seem to imply that > depending on > where you are, you get a different PAA. So why would we need to send > something > to a ?home PAA"? Or is your idea that you send a message towards the > home PAA, > and then the local PAA captures that on the path, and starts=20 > doing PANA with > you? >=20 > How about having a fixed anycast address for "local PAAs", or a DHCP > option for discovering a PAA and that there is a need for PAA? Or a > solution that is triggered by an attempt to send packets. The DHCP > solution has worked well for DNS discovery. >=20 PAA discovery based on the attempt to send packets is already in the spec and can work also in multi-hop scenario. The EP drops unauthorized PaC packets and triggers the PAA for the authentication. This requires that the EP is pre-configured with PAA(s) address(es) but I guess this is not a critical point. --Gerardo > --Jari >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Pana mailing list > Pana@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana >=20 Gruppo Telecom Italia - Direzione e coordinamento di Telecom Italia = S.p.A. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This message and its attachments are addressed solely to the persons above and may contain confidential information. If you have received the message in error, be informed that any use of the content hereof is prohibited. Please return it immediately to the sender and delete the message. Should you have any questions, please send an e_mail to MailAdmin@tilab.com. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana --===============1812965654==-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 18 06:01:45 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA20393 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCFAF-0003YO-Vt; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:57:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCFA5-0003YF-9D for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:57:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA20020 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 05:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.um.es ([155.54.212.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DCFEV-00085L-Nt for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 06:01:36 -0500 Received: from smtp.um.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D7431CC; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:56:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.um.es (zape.um.es [155.54.212.102]) by smtp.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id C212E31C9; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:56:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from [155.54.210.9] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by correo.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1AD5CC3; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:56:38 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <423AB3E6.6070607@dif.um.es> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:56:38 +0100 From: Rafa Marin Lopez User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS Subject: Re: RE : [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA References: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB0260203E116@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB0260203E116@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jari Arkko , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lionel ... MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS wrote: >Hi Jari, > >We (Alper and I) are producing a detailed description of the PAA discove= ry procedure based on the use of a specific DHCP option. >I think that this scheme will some the problem of PAA discovery in a mul= ti-hop context (as mentioned by Alper during the meeting). > =20 > I would not be so sure that this option would be suitable for MANET=20 scenario. Regards. >BR, > >Lionel > > =20 > >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : pana-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pana-bounces@ietf.org] De=20 >>la part de Jari Arkko >>Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 mars 2005 10:20 >>=C0 : Junghoon Jee >>Cc : pana@ietf.org >>Objet : Re: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA >> >> >>Hi Junghoon, >> >>and thanks for bringing up the details of the discovery=20 >>scheme. I have a few questions, however: >> >> =20 >> >>>Here is a short description of a new PAA discovery scheme in the=20 >>>multi-hop PANA environment. >>> >>>+ New PANA discovery message for locating PAA >>> - Use of anycast message >>> - Seed information to look up the specific PAA : network=20 >>> =20 >>> >>prefix of PAA >> =20 >> >>> - Steps =20 >>> * PaC sends an anycast PANA discovery message using=20 >>> =20 >>> >>the home network prefix to its home PAA domain. >> =20 >> >>> * A PAA responds to it with a PANA-start-request=20 >>> =20 >>> >>(PSR) message. =20 >> =20 >> >>> * The MN responds with a PANA-start-answer (PSA) message to=20 >>>the PAA. >>> >>>As you expect, this scheme requires the pre-configuration of PAA's=20 >>>network prefix to the PaC. >>> >>> =20 >>> >>What's a "home PAA domain"? Presumably PANA is used for=20 >>network access (even when you run it in multi-hop mode). This=20 >>would seem to imply that depending on where you are, you get=20 >>a different PAA. So why would we need to send something to a=20 >>?home PAA"? Or is your idea that you send a message towards=20 >>the home PAA, and then the local PAA captures that on the=20 >>path, and starts doing PANA with you? >> >>How about having a fixed anycast address for "local PAAs", or=20 >>a DHCP option for discovering a PAA and that there is a need=20 >>for PAA? Or a solution that is triggered by an attempt to=20 >>send packets. The DHCP solution has worked well for DNS discovery. >> >>--Jari >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Pana mailing list >>Pana@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana >> >> =20 >> > >_______________________________________________ >Pana mailing list >Pana@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > =20 > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 18 07:11:17 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA00780 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCGFj-0007tz-Aq; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:06:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCGFh-0007sG-PA for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:06:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA00137 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.um.es ([155.54.212.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DCG9L-0001b7-QW for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:00:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.um.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97348795; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:55:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.um.es (zape.um.es [155.54.212.102]) by smtp.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B1B5697; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:21:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [155.54.210.9] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by correo.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F3F5CC6; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:21:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <423AB9A7.8010907@dif.um.es> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:21:11 +0100 From: Rafa Marin Lopez User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jari Arkko , Junghoon Jee Subject: Re: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA References: <00fb01c52b8e$8b967150$420cfe81@FlyToWorld> <423A9D30.60407@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: <423A9D30.60407@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jari, Junghoon Jari Arkko wrote: >Hi Junghoon, > >and thanks for bringing up the details of the discovery scheme. >I have a few questions, however: > > > >>Here is a short description of a new PAA discovery scheme in the multi-hop PANA environment. >> >>+ New PANA discovery message for locating PAA >> - Use of anycast message >> - Seed information to look up the specific PAA : network prefix of PAA >> - Steps >> * PaC sends an anycast PANA discovery message using the home network prefix to its home PAA domain. >> * A PAA responds to it with a PANA-start-request (PSR) message. >> * The MN responds with a PANA-start-answer (PSA) message to the PAA. >> >>As you expect, this scheme requires the pre-configuration of PAA's network prefix to the PaC. >> >> >> >What's a "home PAA domain"? Presumably PANA is used for network access (even >when you run it in multi-hop mode). > I agree on that . I also think that PAA should be placed in the local domain for network access. Under my understanding for network access service PAA should be placed on local domain if not how could for example PAA placed on Home Domain configure EP in the visited domain? On the other hand I think PANA WG should only resolve problematic with network access service. For other services we are discussing it in multi-hop EAP I-D. However if we consider PAA for network access (I think PANA WG should only resolve problematic with network access service. For other services we are discussing it in multi-hop EAP I-D) c > This would seem to imply that >depending on >where you are, you get a different PAA. So why would we need to send >something >to a ?home PAA"? Or is your idea that you send a message towards the >home PAA, >and then the local PAA captures that on the path, and starts doing PANA with >you? > > >How about having a fixed anycast address for "local PAAs", or a DHCP >option for discovering a PAA and that there is a need for PAA? Or a >solution that is triggered by an attempt to send packets. The DHCP >solution has worked well for DNS discovery. > > With respect to DHCP discover, if PAA is placed on visited domain it is ok though it is not clear that it was OK for MANET scenario shown in multi-hop EAP I-D. As Gerardo has commented , we should be consider that PANA specification is already providing a method to discover the PAA when EP detects traffic from unauthenticated source. 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------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C52AEF.423AFAAC-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 18 16:22:05 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09269 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCOn5-0001Gc-Bf; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:13:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCOn0-0001Cd-By for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:13:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA06176 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DCOrS-0002WC-G6 for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:18:30 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IDK00L04GAIIJ@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:13:30 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDK00CMPGAIY9@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:13:30 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.144.29.41]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0IDK006JCGAGCY@mmp2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:13:30 +0900 (KST) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:13:28 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA In-reply-to: <015701c52ba3$4dc0c5f0$420cfe81@FlyToWorld> To: "'Junghoon Jee'" , "'Jari Arkko'" Message-id: <019301c52bff$55b160b0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8de5f93cb2b4e3bee75302e9eacc33db Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: pana@ietf.org, "'Tschofenig Hannes'" X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Folks, As we explicitly stated at IETF 62, the scope of multi-hop PANA is same as before: simple network access. It does NOT include ad-hoc scenarios, or other services like Mobile IPv6. Please stick to this scope as you tackle PAA discovery. Alper > -----Original Message----- > From: pana-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pana-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Junghoon Jee > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:15 AM > To: Jari Arkko > Cc: Tschofenig Hannes; pana@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA > > Hi Jari, > Please see my comments inline. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jari Arkko" > To: "Junghoon Jee" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Pana] A new PAA discovery scheme in multi-hop PANA > > > > > > Hi Junghoon, > > > > and thanks for bringing up the details of the discovery scheme. > > I have a few questions, however: > > > > >Here is a short description of a new PAA discovery scheme in the multi- > hop PANA environment. > > > > > >+ New PANA discovery message for locating PAA > > > - Use of anycast message > > > - Seed information to look up the specific PAA : network prefix of > PAA > > > - Steps > > > * PaC sends an anycast PANA discovery message using the home > network prefix to its home PAA domain. > > > * A PAA responds to it with a PANA-start-request (PSR) message. > > > * The MN responds with a PANA-start-answer (PSA) message to > the PAA. > > > > > >As you expect, this scheme requires the pre-configuration of PAA's > network prefix to the PaC. > > > > > What's a "home PAA domain"? Presumably PANA is used for network access > (even > > when you run it in multi-hop mode). This would seem to imply that > > depending on > > where you are, you get a different PAA. So why would we need to send > > something > > to a ?home PAA"? Or is your idea that you send a message towards the > > home PAA, > > and then the local PAA captures that on the path, and starts doing PANA > with > > you? > > Well, Hannes and me are thinking about the use of PANA for mobility > service. > Please look at Hannes's draft, http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft- > tschofenig-mip6-bootstrapping-pana-00.txt > Now, I am trying to fill the blank line in this draft about dynamic HA > discovery. > Yes, i am somewhat biased to the MIPv6 bootstrapping solution work. > Anyway, I would like to receive any comment whether it is O.K. to pre- > configure the PAA's prefix information to the PaC. > > Regards, > --Junghoon > > > How about having a fixed anycast address for "local PAAs", or a DHCP > > option for discovering a PAA and that there is a need for PAA? Or a > > solution that is triggered by an attempt to send packets. The DHCP > > solution has worked well for DNS discovery. > > > > --Jari > > _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 18 16:39:05 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA12132 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCP9l-00068o-GF; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:37:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DCP9j-00068f-Ut for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:37:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA11834 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout2.samsung.com ([203.254.224.25]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DCPEF-0004cT-0g for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:42:00 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout2.samsung.com by mailout2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IDK00107HDWRR@mailout2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:37:08 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout2.samsung.com [203.254.224.25]) by mailout2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDK00LL6HDVKX@mailout2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:37:07 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.144.29.41]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0IDK0068THDTCY@mmp2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:37:07 +0900 (KST) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:37:05 -0800 From: Alper Yegin To: pana@ietf.org Message-id: <019501c52c02$a254a460$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: "'Avi Lior'" Subject: [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Issue as discovered in draft-lior-pana-radius-00.txt: When NAP/ISP separate auth is being carried out, even if one of the auths has failed, PANA session may still "succeed" (based on local policy decision). In that case, sending a RADIUS Accounting Start to the AAA server that had Rejected the client would confuse that server. I think the above issue is valid based on the current PANA specification. IMO, what we failed to explicitly capture in the base specification is, for PANA session to succeed, minimally the ISP authentication must succeed. After all, it is the "ISP" that provides the "IP access service." The NAP authentication is in the picture just to let PaC access differentiated (e.g., gold, silver, bronze) "L1/L2" services if it has a separate account with the NAP. Otherwise, a NAP account by itself is not sufficient get Internet connectivity. And, a AAA server that hasn't authorized the requested service must not receive an accounting start message. If ISP auth has succeeded, PaC's IP access is authorized, and ISP's AAA server gets notified. If ISP auth failed, all bets are off. If ISP auth succeeded, and NAP failed, IP access is granted but PaC does not get any differentiated service from the NAP (L1/L2); only ISP's AAA server receives the accounting start message. Makes sense? 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C52D67.423E9010-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 21 07:26:49 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA27771 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDLxF-0000x6-Ua; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:24:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDLxE-0000x1-S4 for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:24:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA27633 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DDM2I-0005Bd-FX for pana@ietf.org; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:29:34 -0500 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by parsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:24:18 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:24:14 +0100 Message-ID: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB0260203E724@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Thread-Topic: [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz Thread-Index: AcUsAtyzRhYxgnZnS52J6aFgh6nuMgCATwhg From: "MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS" To: "Alper Yegin" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2005 12:24:18.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[E72679A0:01C52E10] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Avi Lior X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alper, I think that we should carefully consider the case of NAP/ISP separate = authentications. The idea is to allow two different administrative domains (the local = access network and the distant ISP) to authenticate the PaC, based on = distinct credentials. The NAP authentication may be required to provide = L1/L2 access and related local services. The ISP authentication is = required to provide IP access services. Both authentications are based on an end2end EAP dialogues between the = PaC and the appropriate AAA server (i.e. NAP AAA server or ISP AAA = server), over PANA and the back-end AAA protocol (RADIUS or Diameter). As a consequence, the PAA will have two distinct dialogues with both AAA = servers. The outcome of a given dialogue (authentication success or = failure) should not have to impact the dialogue with the other one. Therefore, in the RADIUS case, depending of the local NAP policies: 1/ If the ISP authentication failed, the PAA may either: - Send an Accounting-Start message the NAP AAA server only, indicating = that a L1/L2 access is provided to the PaC. - Deny the network access 2/ If the NAP authentication failed, the PAA may either: - Send an Accounting-Start message to the ISP AAA server only, = indicating that the PaC is provided with IP access. - Deny the network access 3/ If both authentications succeded, an Accounting-Start message will be = sent to each AAA server. I don't see any problem with this approach. I don't see why an = Accounting-request would be sent to an AAA server that would have = rejected the PaC. By the way, on the following issue raised by Avi: "There seems to be a conflict between RFC3579 and PANA when multiple = authentication is used. This is what RFC 3579 says: The conversation continues until either a RADIUS Access-Reject or Access-Accept packet is received from the RADIUS server. Reception of a RADIUS Access-Reject packet MUST result in the NAS denying access to the authenticating peer. A RADIUS Access-Accept packet successfully ends the authentication phase. The NAS MUST NOT "manufacture" a Success or Failure packet as the result of a timeout. After a suitable number of timeouts have elapsed, the NAS SHOULD instead end the EAP conversation. This is clearly against the PANA specification. Which allows one AAA authentication to fail and the other to succeed." I think that this actually a non-issue. We could consider that the = access is authorized due to the reception of "at least" one = Access-Accept. As I read the RFC 3579, I understand that within a RADIUS = dialogue, the NAS must not open the door after the reception of an = Access-Reject. It's fine and correct for me. But it does not preclude to = open it based on the reception of a Access-Accept within another = dialogue. And the case of multi-authentication was not covered by the = RFC 3579. BR, Lionel > -----Message d'origine----- > De : pana-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pana-bounces@ietf.org] De=20 > la part de Alper Yegin > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 mars 2005 22:37 > =C0 : pana@ietf.org > Cc : 'Avi Lior' > Objet : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz >=20 >=20 >=20 > Issue as discovered in draft-lior-pana-radius-00.txt: >=20 > When NAP/ISP separate auth is being carried out, even if one=20 > of the auths has failed, PANA session may still "succeed"=20 > (based on local policy decision). In that case, sending a=20 > RADIUS Accounting Start to the AAA server that had Rejected=20 > the client would confuse that server. >=20 > I think the above issue is valid based on the current PANA=20 > specification. >=20 > IMO, what we failed to explicitly capture in the base=20 > specification is, for PANA session to succeed, minimally the=20 > ISP authentication must succeed. After all, it is the "ISP"=20 > that provides the "IP access service." The NAP authentication=20 > is in the picture just to let PaC access differentiated=20 > (e.g., gold, silver, bronze) "L1/L2" services if it has a=20 > separate account with the NAP. Otherwise, a NAP account by=20 > itself is not sufficient get Internet connectivity. >=20 > And, a AAA server that hasn't authorized the requested=20 > service must not receive an accounting start message. If ISP=20 > auth has succeeded, PaC's IP access is authorized, and ISP's=20 > AAA server gets notified. If ISP auth failed, all bets are=20 > off. 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----N5sqWl4gzMpF8SY-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 22 07:43:00 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07109 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:43:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDigh-0006PJ-Gv; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:40:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDigf-0006PB-MS for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:40:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06960 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.um.es ([155.54.212.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DDilu-000188-Sy for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:46:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.um.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16C85FA7; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:40:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.um.es (zape.um.es [155.54.212.102]) by smtp.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id A479F5FA0; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:40:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [155.54.210.9] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by correo.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07295CC5; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:40:26 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <4240123A.7050201@dif.um.es> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:40:26 +0100 From: Rafa Marin Lopez User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alper Yegin Subject: Re: [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz References: <019501c52c02$a254a460$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> In-Reply-To: <019501c52c02$a254a460$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'Avi Lior'" , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alper a short question... Alper Yegin wrote: >Issue as discovered in draft-lior-pana-radius-00.txt: > >When NAP/ISP separate auth is being carried out, even if one of the >auths has failed, PANA session may still "succeed" (based on local >policy decision). In that case, sending a RADIUS Accounting Start to the >AAA server that had Rejected the client would confuse that server. > >I think the above issue is valid based on the current PANA >specification. > >IMO, what we failed to explicitly capture in the base specification is, >for PANA session to succeed, minimally the ISP authentication must >succeed. After all, it is the "ISP" that provides the "IP access >service." The NAP authentication is in the picture just to let PaC >access differentiated (e.g., gold, silver, bronze) "L1/L2" services if >it has a separate account with the NAP. Otherwise, a NAP account by >itself is not sufficient get Internet connectivity. > > You are assuming here that even when you are not authenticated by AAA-NAP you are always authorized at least to use L1/L2 services right? >And, a AAA server that hasn't authorized the requested service must not >receive an accounting start message. If ISP auth has succeeded, PaC's IP >access is authorized, and ISP's AAA server gets notified. If ISP auth >failed, all bets are off. If ISP auth succeeded, and NAP failed, IP >access is granted but PaC does not get any differentiated service from >the NAP (L1/L2); only ISP's AAA server receives the accounting start >message. > >Makes sense? > >Alper > > > >_______________________________________________ >Pana mailing list >Pana@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 22 08:10:22 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09345 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDj89-0002Rg-3E; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:09:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDj86-0002Rb-P2 for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:09:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09315 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:09:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.um.es ([155.54.212.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DDjDN-0002H8-Ba for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:14:33 -0500 Received: from smtp.um.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1495A1781; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:08:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.um.es (zape.um.es [155.54.212.102]) by smtp.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id E261E5FAF; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:08:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [155.54.210.9] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by correo.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5325CC8; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:08:55 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <424018E7.6000006@dif.um.es> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:08:55 +0100 From: Rafa Marin Lopez User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS Subject: Re: RE : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz References: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB0260203E724@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB0260203E724@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 200d029292fbb60d25b263122ced50fc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Alper Yegin , Avi Lior , Rafa Marin Lopez , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lionel.... Basically if some kind of service is finally provided then send an=20 Accounting-Start message to AAA server that granted the service, right?. MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS wrote: >Hi Alper, > >I think that we should carefully consider the case of NAP/ISP separate a= uthentications. >The idea is to allow two different administrative domains (the local acc= ess network and the distant ISP) to authenticate the PaC, based on distin= ct credentials. The NAP authentication may be required to provide L1/L2 a= ccess and related local services. The ISP authentication is required to p= rovide IP access services. >Both authentications are based on an end2end EAP dialogues between the P= aC and the appropriate AAA server (i.e. NAP AAA server or ISP AAA server)= , over PANA and the back-end AAA protocol (RADIUS or Diameter). >As a consequence, the PAA will have two distinct dialogues with both AAA= servers. The outcome of a given dialogue (authentication success or fail= ure) should not have to impact the dialogue with the other one. > >Therefore, in the RADIUS case, depending of the local NAP policies: > >1/ If the ISP authentication failed, the PAA may either: >- Send an Accounting-Start message the NAP AAA server only, indicating t= hat a L1/L2 access is provided to the PaC. >- Deny the network access > >2/ If the NAP authentication failed, the PAA may either: >- Send an Accounting-Start message to the ISP AAA server only, indicatin= g that the PaC is provided with IP access. >- Deny the network access > >3/ If both authentications succeded, an Accounting-Start message will be= sent to each AAA server. > >I don't see any problem with this approach. I don't see why an Accountin= g-request would be sent to an AAA server that would have rejected the PaC= . > >By the way, on the following issue raised by Avi: > >"There seems to be a conflict between RFC3579 and PANA when multiple aut= hentication is used. > > This is what RFC 3579 says: > > The conversation continues until either a RADIUS Access-Reject or > Access-Accept packet is received from the RADIUS server. Reception > of a RADIUS Access-Reject packet MUST result in the NAS denying > access to the authenticating peer. A RADIUS Access-Accept packet > successfully ends the authentication phase. The NAS MUST NOT > "manufacture" a Success or Failure packet as the result of a timeout. > After a suitable number of timeouts have elapsed, the NAS SHOULD > instead end the EAP conversation. > > This is clearly against the PANA specification. Which allows one AAA > authentication to fail and the other to succeed." > >I think that this actually a non-issue. We could consider that the acces= s is authorized due to the reception of "at least" one Access-Accept. As = I read the RFC 3579, I understand that within a RADIUS dialogue, the NAS = must not open the door after the reception of an Access-Reject. It's fine= and correct for me. But it does not preclude to open it based on the rec= eption of a Access-Accept within another dialogue. And the case of multi-= authentication was not covered by the RFC 3579. > >BR, > >Lionel > > =20 > >>-----Message d'origine----- >>De : pana-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:pana-bounces@ietf.org] De=20 >>la part de Alper Yegin >>Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 mars 2005 22:37 >>=C0 : pana@ietf.org >>Cc : 'Avi Lior' >>Objet : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz >> >> >> >>Issue as discovered in draft-lior-pana-radius-00.txt: >> >>When NAP/ISP separate auth is being carried out, even if one=20 >>of the auths has failed, PANA session may still "succeed"=20 >>(based on local policy decision). In that case, sending a=20 >>RADIUS Accounting Start to the AAA server that had Rejected=20 >>the client would confuse that server. >> >>I think the above issue is valid based on the current PANA=20 >>specification. >> >>IMO, what we failed to explicitly capture in the base=20 >>specification is, for PANA session to succeed, minimally the=20 >>ISP authentication must succeed. After all, it is the "ISP"=20 >>that provides the "IP access service." The NAP authentication=20 >>is in the picture just to let PaC access differentiated=20 >>(e.g., gold, silver, bronze) "L1/L2" services if it has a=20 >>separate account with the NAP. Otherwise, a NAP account by=20 >>itself is not sufficient get Internet connectivity. >> >>And, a AAA server that hasn't authorized the requested=20 >>service must not receive an accounting start message. If ISP=20 >>auth has succeeded, PaC's IP access is authorized, and ISP's=20 >>AAA server gets notified. If ISP auth failed, all bets are=20 >>off. If ISP auth succeeded, and NAP failed, IP access is=20 >>granted but PaC does not get any differentiated service from=20 >>the NAP (L1/L2); only ISP's AAA server receives the=20 >>accounting start message.=20 >> >>Makes sense? >> >>Alper >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Pana mailing list >>Pana@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana >> >> =20 >> > >_______________________________________________ >Pana mailing list >Pana@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > =20 > --=20 ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 22 08:48:04 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13395 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDjZ6-0006Rj-Im; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:37:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDjZ5-0006Re-7B for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:36:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12138 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:36:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DDjeL-0003D4-9J for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:42:26 -0500 Received: from FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.153]) by parsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:36:00 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE : RE : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:35:56 +0100 Message-ID: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02602089452@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Thread-Topic: RE : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz Thread-Index: AcUu4E9bSvgUaU8zRNKLR7by8krfxAAAxlkA From: "MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS" To: "Rafa Marin Lopez" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2005 13:36:00.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[160DC6F0:01C52EE4] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Alper Yegin , Avi Lior , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rafael, > Basically if some kind of service is finally provided then send an=20 > Accounting-Start message to AAA server that granted the=20 > service, right?.=20 Yes, of course! When any service is provided to the PaC, an Accounting-Start message is sent by the PAA acting as a RADIUS client. Lionel _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 22 10:16:02 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22385 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDl4t-0005yM-86; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:13:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DDl4r-0005yH-B9 for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:13:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA22150 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.um.es ([155.54.212.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DDlA7-0006sW-BB for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:19:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.um.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB83E4B2A; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:13:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from correo.um.es (zape.um.es [155.54.212.102]) by smtp.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEE84B27; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:13:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [155.54.210.9] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by correo.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0995CC4; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:13:31 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <4240361A.3060600@dif.um.es> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:13:30 +0100 From: Rafa Marin Lopez User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS Subject: Re: RE : RE : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz References: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02602089452@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> In-Reply-To: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB02602089452@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alper Yegin , Avi Lior , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS wrote: >Hi Rafael, > > > >>Basically if some kind of service is finally provided then send an >>Accounting-Start message to AAA server that granted the >>service, right?. >> >> > >Yes, of course! When any service is provided to the PaC, an >Accounting-Start message is sent by the PAA acting as a RADIUS client. > >Lionel > > > Lionel, what I was trying was to summarize your cases (3 options you exposed) : "1/ If the ISP authentication failed, the PAA may either: - Send an Accounting-Start message the NAP AAA server only, indicating that a L1/L2 access is provided to the PaC. - Deny the network access 2/ If the NAP authentication failed, the PAA may either: - Send an Accounting-Start message to the ISP AAA server only, indicating that the PaC is provided with IP access. - Deny the network access 3/ If both authentications succeded, an Accounting-Start message will be sent to each AAA server." in one sentence: "If some kind of service (NAP-L1/L2 service or ISP-L3 service or both) is finally provided then send an Accounting-Start message to AAA server that granted the service". which it seems "obvious" behaviour. > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Rafael Marin Lopez Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia 30071 Murcia - Spain Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From Merlyn@jobin.com Wed Mar 23 02:44:43 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12330 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:44:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200503230744.CAA12330@ietf.org> Received: from [82.159.33.249] (helo=jobin.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DE0dA-0003jg-BO for pana-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:50:21 -0500 From: "Hercules Pinson" To: "Gerhard Daigle" Subject: Re: Mediccations TQQ:89 Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:41:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C52E1D.42412BB2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C52E1D.42412BB2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, been reared. 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From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 24 03:45:41 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15260 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DENvE-0007rc-5c; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:42:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DENv1-0007r9-8Y for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:42:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15081 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DEO0e-0002YC-5W for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:48:09 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IDU00G04LI5JH@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:05 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDU004N6LI50R@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:05 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([75.2.43.231]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IDU00HPBLI1TM@mmp1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:05 +0900 (KST) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:01 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: RE : [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz In-reply-to: <7DBAFEC6A76F3E42817DF1EBE64CB0260203E724@FTRDMEL2.rd.francetelecom.fr> To: "'MORAND Lionel RD-CORE-ISS'" , pana@ietf.org Message-id: <02e101c530db$d92ea110$e92b024b@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: "'Avi Lior'" X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hi Lionel, > 1/ If the ISP authentication failed, the PAA may either: > - Send an Accounting-Start message the NAP AAA server only, indicating > that a L1/L2 access is provided to the PaC. > - Deny the network access Since within the scope of PANA we are only dealing with the "IP access", imo the only option in this case must be the denial of the service. Alper _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 24 03:46:55 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15382 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DENvD-0007rX-35; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:42:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DENv0-0007r4-5D for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:42:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA15078 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DEO0a-0002YC-EW for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:48:07 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IDU00G0BLI3J9@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:03 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IDU004N3LI30R@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:03 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([75.2.43.231]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IDU00HPBLI1TM@mmp1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:03 +0900 (KST) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:42:01 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [Pana] RADIUS Access-Reject and NAP/ISP authz In-reply-to: <4240123A.7050201@dif.um.es> To: "'Rafa Marin Lopez'" Message-id: <02e001c530db$d7ef4340$e92b024b@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: "'Avi Lior'" , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > >IMO, what we failed to explicitly capture in the base specification is, > >for PANA session to succeed, minimally the ISP authentication must > >succeed. After all, it is the "ISP" that provides the "IP access > >service." The NAP authentication is in the picture just to let PaC > >access differentiated (e.g., gold, silver, bronze) "L1/L2" services if > >it has a separate account with the NAP. Otherwise, a NAP account by > >itself is not sufficient get Internet connectivity. > > > > > You are assuming here that even when you are not authenticated by > AAA-NAP you are always authorized at least to use L1/L2 services right? Typically an ISP-only auth/authz is sufficient to access L1/L2/L3 access service. This is the currently deployed widely-available model. 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Otherwise, we will fall back to a "NATs not > > supported". > > > > Please see slides 8 and 9 on > > http://panasec.org/IETF62/IETF62-PANA-mhop.ppt. > > > > A- Issue with IP address payloads > > > > A.1- PaC DI vs. source IP address check: > > > > Earlier on the mailing list we had decided to drop this > > integrity check, as it was making a failed attempt at solving > > another problem (IP address ownership). > > > > PANA can run between the PaC and PAA using whatever PaC IP > > address appears to PAA. The PaC's DI will be set to the IP > > address that is physically configured on the PaC. And that's > > the address conveyed to the EP from PAA. And that should work > > fine (think IKE and IPsec between the PaC and EP). > > > The pana-ipsec draft says that the PRPA is sent to the EP along with other > parameters. Perhaps that can be fixed to say "device identifier is sent to > the EP". And for more clarification it might be good to mention that the device identifier can be different from the PRPA if there is a NAT router between the PaC and PAA. > > > A.2- IP-Address AVP used by PaC: > > > > PaC sends that only when it reconfigures a POPA and replaces > > PRPA with POPA. Similar to A.1, this should work fine. > > > > A.3- IP-Address AVP used by PAA: > > > > I couldn't figure out why we needed this. Unless someone has > > an idea, I think we not send this AVP from PAA. > > > > > > B- Destination port issue > > > > The PAA sets the destination port to PANA_port on the requests it > > sends to the PaC. In that case, the NAT will fail to map the > > request message to a PaC behind it. > > > > We can solve this issue by stating: > > > > - The destination port must be set to PANA_port only when the sender > > does not know the peer's port number. 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The PaC's DI will be set to the IP > > > address that is physically configured on the PaC. And that's > > > the address conveyed to the EP from PAA. And that should work > > > fine (think IKE and IPsec between the PaC and EP). > > > > > The pana-ipsec draft says that the PRPA is sent to the EP along with other > > parameters. Perhaps that can be fixed to say "device identifier is sent to > > the EP". > > And for more clarification it might be good to mention that the device > identifier can be different from the PRPA if there is a NAT router > between the PaC and PAA. > Okay. > > > > > A.2- IP-Address AVP used by PaC: > > > > > > PaC sends that only when it reconfigures a POPA and replaces > > > PRPA with POPA. Similar to A.1, this should work fine. > > > > > > A.3- IP-Address AVP used by PAA: > > > > > > I couldn't figure out why we needed this. Unless someone has > > > an idea, I think we not send this AVP from PAA. > > > > > > > > > B- Destination port issue > > > > > > The PAA sets the destination port to PANA_port on the requests it > > > sends to the PaC. In that case, the NAT will fail to map the > > > request message to a PaC behind it. > > > > > > We can solve this issue by stating: > > > > > > - The destination port must be set to PANA_port only when the sender > > > does not know the peer's port number. After the initial exchange, > > > both the PaC and PAA will know each other's port numbers. > > > Subsequent > > > exchanges must use those ports as source and destination. > > > > > > Assumption is that, the PANA session will start by a PDI sent by > > > the > > > PaC. > > > > > > > > > Though these looks like simple steps to enable NAT traversal, are they > > > really sufficient? Are they other issues we are missing? > > > > > Here are the couple of other questions that i had.. > > > > 1) The NAT mapping of the PaC address might timeout. This means that the > > IP address of the PaC seen by the PAA might change over a period of time unless > > some keepalives are sent. I don't know whether this is a problem or not. > > PAA can still use the session-id to locate the session. If so, does the changing > > IP address cause problems ? Do we need keepalives ? > > I think some sort of NAT keepalive is needed in order to support > PAA-initiated PANA message exchange such as PAA-initiated > re-authentication, PAA-initiated session termination, etc. PANA-Ping > message exchange can work for NAT keepalive. > Okay. > > > > 2) In RFC3580 (802.1x radius usage guidelines), it says that the calling-station-id > > is the supplicant's MAC address. This is not true anymore with multi-hop PANA. > > With NAT, the same happens with IP address. In 802.11i, AFAIK, the supplicant's > > MAC address is not included in PMK derivation and only used later in the 4-way > > association protocol. This is not a problem for PANA because the device-ID (MAC address) > > gets passed before the 4-way association protocol is run. So, not passing the > > real calling-station-id is safe today. Is this okay in general ? Just something to think > > about.. > > What do you mean by "real calling-station-id"? > The calling-station-id as seen by the NAS today where there is neither NAT nor multiple-hops. What is the significance of calling station-id of the STA/supplicant ? For example, the latest key management draft seems to use it in the following way: AAA-Key = MSK(0,63) AMSK = KDF(EMSK, "EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments", length) AAA-Key-B = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments", AAA-Key, B-Called-Station-Id, Calling-Station-Id,length) AAA-Key-C = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments",AAA-Key, C-Called-Station-Id, Calling-Station-Id, length) Where: Calling-Station-Id = STA MAC address B-Called-Station-Id = AP B MAC address C-Called-Station-Id = AP C MAC address prf = HMAC-SHA1 KDF = defined in Section 2.4 length = length of derived key material If the authenticator does not see the supplicant's calling-station-id the AAA-key-B/C transported to the authenticator may not be the same as what the station sees, right ? -mohan > Regards, > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > Perhaps there are others.. > > > > -mohan > > > > > Alper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pana mailing list > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pana mailing list > > Pana@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > _______________________________________________ > Pana mailing list > Pana@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Mon Mar 28 18:46:05 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26577 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DG3u5-0000Dg-3x; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:44:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DG3u3-0000DX-Bl for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:44:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26399 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DG40d-00046l-PL for pana@ietf.org; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:51:04 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IE300L1M5XF67@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:44:03 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE300DOO5XDVV@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:44:01 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.144.29.41]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0IE3009H35X9Y4@mmp2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:44:01 +0900 (KST) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:43:57 -0800 From: Alper Yegin To: pana@ietf.org Message-id: <01d401c533f0$047f0cd0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [Pana] FW: RFC 4016 on Protocol for Carrying Authentication and Network Access(PANA) Threat Analysis and Security Requirements X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT FYI. -----Original Message----- From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:37 PM To: ietf-announce@ietf.org Cc: pana@ietf.org; rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: RFC 4016 on Protocol for Carrying Authentication and Network Access(PANA) Threat Analysis and Security Requirements A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. 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The explicit DI passing can be performed even if an IP address is used as DI. So I think there is no problem here. Yoshihiro Ohba On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:32:55AM -0800, Mohan Parthasarathy wrote: > > > > > > 2) In RFC3580 (802.1x radius usage guidelines), it says that the calling-station-id > > > is the supplicant's MAC address. This is not true anymore with multi-hop PANA. > > > With NAT, the same happens with IP address. In 802.11i, AFAIK, the supplicant's > > > MAC address is not included in PMK derivation and only used later in the 4-way > > > association protocol. This is not a problem for PANA because the device-ID (MAC address) > > > gets passed before the 4-way association protocol is run. So, not passing the > > > real calling-station-id is safe today. Is this okay in general ? Just something to think > > > about.. > > > > What do you mean by "real calling-station-id"? > > > The calling-station-id as seen by the NAS today where there is neither NAT nor multiple-hops. > What is the significance of calling station-id of the STA/supplicant ? For example, > the latest key management draft seems to use it in the following way: > > AAA-Key = MSK(0,63) > > AMSK = KDF(EMSK, "EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments", > length) > > AAA-Key-B = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > multiple attachments", AAA-Key, B-Called-Station-Id, > Calling-Station-Id,length) > > AAA-Key-C = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > multiple attachments",AAA-Key, C-Called-Station-Id, > Calling-Station-Id, length) > > Where: > Calling-Station-Id = STA MAC address > B-Called-Station-Id = AP B MAC address > C-Called-Station-Id = AP C MAC address > prf = HMAC-SHA1 > KDF = defined in Section 2.4 > length = length of derived key material > > > If the authenticator does not see the supplicant's calling-station-id the AAA-key-B/C > transported to the authenticator may not be the same as what the station sees, right ? > > -mohan > > > > Regards, > > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there are others.. > > > > > > -mohan > > > > > > > Alper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pana mailing list > > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pana mailing list > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pana mailing list > > Pana@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 29 12:44:17 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05923 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGKib-0005a7-3u; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:41:33 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGKiY-0005a2-Gd for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:41:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05588 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.168.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGKpH-0000ub-16 for pana@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:48:29 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO adithya) (mohanp@sbcglobal.net@64.172.56.44 with login) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 17:41:20 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c53486$84e96f00$6501a8c0@adithya> From: "Mohan Parthasarathy" To: "Yoshihiro Ohba" References: <004f01c529c2$462c4db0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> <000b01c52b1d$737b17e0$6601a8c0@adithya> <20050325074546.GV11831@steelhead> <002c01c533bc$2f53b390$6501a8c0@adithya> <20050329154111.GY11831@steelhead> Subject: Re: [Pana] NAT traversal Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:41:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Scan-Signature: a8a20a483a84f747e56475e290ee868e Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alper Yegin , Yoshihiro Ohba , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > When a MAC address of PaC is used as DI, the PAA can know the DI > (which turns into calling-station-id in RADIUS) by explicitly carrying > DI AVP in PBR/PBA exchange. The explicit DI passing can be performed > even if an IP address is used as DI. So I think there is no problem > here. In my vague recollection of the draft, the DI is not exchanged until late in the PANA protocol. So, any messages carried before the DI exchange may not have the right calling station ID. Hmm.. For protecting the DI, you need the PANA SA which is not known until the full EAP exchange is done. So, i don't know how you can carry the DI early on. So, i still don't see how the radius messages carry the right calling station-id. -mohan > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:32:55AM -0800, Mohan Parthasarathy wrote: > > > > > > > > 2) In RFC3580 (802.1x radius usage guidelines), it says that the calling-station-id > > > > is the supplicant's MAC address. This is not true anymore with multi-hop PANA. > > > > With NAT, the same happens with IP address. In 802.11i, AFAIK, the supplicant's > > > > MAC address is not included in PMK derivation and only used later in the 4-way > > > > association protocol. This is not a problem for PANA because the device-ID (MAC address) > > > > gets passed before the 4-way association protocol is run. So, not passing the > > > > real calling-station-id is safe today. Is this okay in general ? Just something to think > > > > about.. > > > > > > What do you mean by "real calling-station-id"? > > > > > The calling-station-id as seen by the NAS today where there is neither NAT nor multiple-hops. > > What is the significance of calling station-id of the STA/supplicant ? For example, > > the latest key management draft seems to use it in the following way: > > > > AAA-Key = MSK(0,63) > > > > AMSK = KDF(EMSK, "EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments", > > length) > > > > AAA-Key-B = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > > multiple attachments", AAA-Key, B-Called-Station-Id, > > Calling-Station-Id,length) > > > > AAA-Key-C = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > > multiple attachments",AAA-Key, C-Called-Station-Id, > > Calling-Station-Id, length) > > > > Where: > > Calling-Station-Id = STA MAC address > > B-Called-Station-Id = AP B MAC address > > C-Called-Station-Id = AP C MAC address > > prf = HMAC-SHA1 > > KDF = defined in Section 2.4 > > length = length of derived key material > > > > > > If the authenticator does not see the supplicant's calling-station-id the AAA-key-B/C > > transported to the authenticator may not be the same as what the station sees, right ? > > > > -mohan > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there are others.. > > > > > > > > -mohan > > > > > > > > > Alper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pana mailing list > > > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pana mailing list > > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Pana mailing list > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From Hagar@jequirity.com Wed Mar 30 01:05:46 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA14233 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:05:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200503300605.BAA14233@ietf.org> Received: from adsl-66-120-249-51.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net ([66.120.249.51] helo=jequirity.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGWRb-00089D-EU for pana-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:12:48 -0500 From: "Hiltrud Spain" To: "Regena Sanchez" Subject: Re: BesstMedsMail Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:05:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C533F2.424A41B2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 6.4 (++++++) X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C533F2.424A41B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, buccaneer's face remained of the utmost gravity. plagiarist. 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------=_NextPart_001_0001_EAD2C54F.4359E4F7-- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_48F84E5C.7A527F99-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 30 16:45:16 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29674 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGkyp-0001er-BJ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:44:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGkyl-0001ak-JH for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:44:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29447 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGl5j-0008WI-Kg for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:51:13 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IE600K01POZ3B@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:43:47 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE600G7KPOZUP@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:43:47 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.253.155.32]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IE600GQIPOW6O@mmp1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:43:47 +0900 (KST) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:43:38 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [Pana] NAT traversal In-reply-to: <002c01c533bc$2f53b390$6501a8c0@adithya> To: "'Mohan Parthasarathy'" , "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" Message-id: <04a301c53571$8a9c8fe0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > What do you mean by "real calling-station-id"? > > > The calling-station-id as seen by the NAS today where there is neither NAT > nor multiple-hops. > What is the significance of calling station-id of the STA/supplicant ? According to RFC 2865: Call Check Used by the NAS in an Access-Request packet to indicate that a call is being received and that the RADIUS server should send back an Access-Accept to answer the call, or an Access-Reject to not accept the call, typically based on the Called-Station-Id or Calling-Station-Id attributes. It is recommended that such Access-Requests use the value of Calling-Station-Id as the value of the User-Name. As I understand, this is for authorizing access based on the caller-id, without doing any other authentication (i.e., no EAP methods run). As such, the basic usage of calling-station-id seems not relevant to PANA. > For > example, > the latest key management draft seems to use it in the following way: > > AAA-Key = MSK(0,63) > > AMSK = KDF(EMSK, "EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments", > length) > > AAA-Key-B = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > multiple attachments", AAA-Key, B-Called-Station-Id, > Calling-Station-Id,length) > > AAA-Key-C = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > multiple attachments",AAA-Key, C-Called-Station-Id, > Calling-Station-Id, length) > > Where: > Calling-Station-Id = STA MAC address > B-Called-Station-Id = AP B MAC address > C-Called-Station-Id = AP C MAC address > prf = HMAC-SHA1 > KDF = defined in Section 2.4 > length = length of derived key material > > > If the authenticator does not see the supplicant's calling-station-id the > AAA-key-B/C > transported to the authenticator may not be the same as what the station > sees, right ? We have a better identifiers than MAC addresses in PANA -- PANA Session identifier, and PAA identifier (DiameterIdentity). For example these are what we use in pana-mobopts. Alper _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 30 18:28:07 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09882 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGmam-0003jl-HV; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:27:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGmag-0003hi-UJ for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:27:19 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09814 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.170.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGmhh-0002ST-2e for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:34:29 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO adithya) (mohanp@sbcglobal.net@64.163.212.170 with login) by smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 22:54:19 -0000 Message-ID: <005001c5357b$688df330$6501a8c0@adithya> From: "Mohan Parthasarathy" To: "Alper Yegin" , "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" References: <04a301c53571$8a9c8fe0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> Subject: Re: [Pana] NAT traversal Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:54:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alper, > > For > > example, > > the latest key management draft seems to use it in the following way: > > > > AAA-Key = MSK(0,63) > > > > AMSK = KDF(EMSK, "EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple > attachments", > > length) > > > > AAA-Key-B = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > > multiple attachments", AAA-Key, B-Called-Station-Id, > > Calling-Station-Id,length) > > > > AAA-Key-C = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > > multiple attachments",AAA-Key, C-Called-Station-Id, > > Calling-Station-Id, length) > > > > Where: > > Calling-Station-Id = STA MAC address > > B-Called-Station-Id = AP B MAC address > > C-Called-Station-Id = AP C MAC address > > prf = HMAC-SHA1 > > KDF = defined in Section 2.4 > > length = length of derived key material > > > > > > If the authenticator does not see the supplicant's calling-station-id > the > > AAA-key-B/C > > transported to the authenticator may not be the same as what the > station > > sees, right ? > > We have a better identifiers than MAC addresses in PANA -- PANA Session > identifier, and PAA identifier (DiameterIdentity). For example these are > what we use in pana-mobopts. > Does this mean we need something like RFC 3580 (IEEE 802.1x RADIUS usage guidlines) for PANA ? The pana-radius draft does not talk about these details. If some of the RADIUS attributes (as defined today) have different meaning or don't have meaning in the PANA context, it should be stated somewhere. At least i thought the new RADIUS draft would have some of these details similar to RFC 3580. I am not disagreeing with using better identifiers. But does this affect the details in the key management draft ? For example, the AAA-key itself is wrapped in AAA-token (i think) which is in turn transported to the authenticator from the server. What is the scope of the key ? How is the scope determined i.e using what parameters ? Is this all transparent to PANA ? -mohan > Alper > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pana mailing list > Pana@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 30 18:51:37 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11458 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGmxC-0000dQ-Mp; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:50:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGmxA-0000dI-1R for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:50:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA11343 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGn46-0002sa-RE for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 18:57:42 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IE600G01VJP1E@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:50:13 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE600CQ4VJPU0@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:50:13 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.253.155.32]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0IE6005JVVJLCY@mmp2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:50:13 +0900 (KST) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:50:04 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [Pana] NAT traversal In-reply-to: <005001c5357b$688df330$6501a8c0@adithya> To: "'Mohan Parthasarathy'" , "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" Message-id: <04f301c53583$33dc7140$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > We have a better identifiers than MAC addresses in PANA -- PANA Session > > identifier, and PAA identifier (DiameterIdentity). For example these are > > what we use in pana-mobopts. > > > Does this mean we need something like RFC 3580 (IEEE 802.1x RADIUS usage > guidlines) for PANA ? The pana-radius draft does not talk about these > details. > If some of the RADIUS attributes (as defined today) have different meaning > or don't > have meaning in the PANA context, it should be stated somewhere. At least > i thought > the new RADIUS draft would have some of these details similar to RFC 3580. Yes, that's where we shall capture these details. > I am not disagreeing with using better identifiers. But does this affect > the details in the > key management draft ? For example, the AAA-key itself is wrapped in > AAA-token (i think) which is in turn transported to the authenticator from > the > server. What is the scope of the key ? How is the scope determined i.e > using > what parameters ? Is this all transparent to PANA ? What is currently discussed in that I-D is 802.1X specific. Of course the details will differ when we do the things for PANA. I don't see a problem there. I didn't quite understand what you are asking about the "AAA-Key" and "AAA-token". Elaborate please. Alper > > -mohan > > > Alper > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pana mailing list > > Pana@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 30 20:36:47 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20309 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGoaC-0005oJ-Bm; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:34:52 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGoa7-0005oB-Qu for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:34:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA20164 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.170.3]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGoh9-0004xX-3K for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:42:03 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO adithya) (mohanp@sbcglobal.net@64.163.212.170 with login) by smtp817.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 01:34:41 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c53591$cf249b60$6501a8c0@adithya> From: "Mohan Parthasarathy" To: "Alper Yegin" , "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" References: <04f301c53583$33dc7140$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> Subject: Re: [Pana] NAT traversal Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:34:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > We have a better identifiers than MAC addresses in PANA -- PANA > Session > > > identifier, and PAA identifier (DiameterIdentity). For example these > are > > > what we use in pana-mobopts. > > > > > Does this mean we need something like RFC 3580 (IEEE 802.1x RADIUS > usage > > guidlines) for PANA ? The pana-radius draft does not talk about these > > details. > > If some of the RADIUS attributes (as defined today) have different > meaning > > or don't > > have meaning in the PANA context, it should be stated somewhere. At > least > > i thought > > the new RADIUS draft would have some of these details similar to RFC > 3580. > > Yes, that's where we shall capture these details. > Ok. > > I am not disagreeing with using better identifiers. But does this > affect > > the details in the > > key management draft ? For example, the AAA-key itself is wrapped in > > AAA-token (i think) which is in turn transported to the authenticator > from > > the > > server. What is the scope of the key ? How is the scope determined i.e > > using > > what parameters ? Is this all transparent to PANA ? > > What is currently discussed in that I-D is 802.1X specific. Of course > the details will differ when we do the things for PANA. I don't see a > problem there. > What do you mean by "when we do the things" ? What things ? The above example might be related to pre-authentication but not sure whether there is more to it.. see below.. > I didn't quite understand what you are asking about the "AAA-Key" and > "AAA-token". Elaborate please. > In section 4.6 of the EAP-key-management draft, it talks about key scope issue. For example, The AAA server and authenticator MAY implement additional attributes in order to further restrict the AAA-Key scope. For example, in 802.11, the AAA server may provide the authenticator with a list of authorized Called or Calling-Station-Ids and/or SSIDs for which the AAA-Key is valid. What is it for PANA ? There are other interesting things in that section and in the rest of the draft. Some look like general guidelines and some are related to 802.1x. 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From pana-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 30 22:34:30 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00596 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGqOk-0004P4-Vx; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:31:10 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGqOk-0004Oz-53 for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:31:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA00345 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGqVm-0007IO-4q for pana@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:38:26 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IE7003015RLN5@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:30:57 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE700BYR5RKF5@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:30:57 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.253.155.32]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IE700H3D5RH7B@mmp1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:30:56 +0900 (KST) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:30:46 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [Pana] NAT traversal In-reply-to: <002f01c53591$cf249b60$6501a8c0@adithya> To: "'Mohan Parthasarathy'" , "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" Message-id: <050401c535a2$08d889b0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > > I am not disagreeing with using better identifiers. But does this > > affect > > > the details in the > > > key management draft ? For example, the AAA-key itself is wrapped in > > > AAA-token (i think) which is in turn transported to the authenticator > > from > > > the > > > server. What is the scope of the key ? How is the scope determined i.e > > > using > > > what parameters ? Is this all transparent to PANA ? > > > > What is currently discussed in that I-D is 802.1X specific. Of course > > the details will differ when we do the things for PANA. I don't see a > > problem there. > > > What do you mean by "when we do the things" ? What things ? The text you provided was about "key derivation for fast handoff", details specific to IEEE 802.11 and IEEE 802.1X. We have the corresponding PANA specific design in the pana-mobopts I-D. > The above example might be related to pre-authentication but > not sure whether there is more to it.. see below.. > > > I didn't quite understand what you are asking about the "AAA-Key" and > > "AAA-token". Elaborate please. > > > In section 4.6 of the EAP-key-management draft, it talks about key scope > issue. For example, > > The AAA server and authenticator MAY implement additional > attributes in order to further restrict the AAA-Key scope. For > example, in 802.11, the AAA server may provide the authenticator > with a list of authorized Called or Calling-Station-Ids and/or > SSIDs for which the AAA-Key is valid. > > What is it for PANA ? That text is talking about what I'd call "fine granularity authorization," which is not specified in any detail. It's a bit conceptual. [though even without that text, operators can still deploy such enhanced solutions.] We don't have that level of authorization details in PANA either. I can imagine a document can be produced for that. > There are other interesting things in that section > and in the rest of the draft. Some look like general guidelines and some > are related to 802.1x. I am wondering whether there would be a similar > document for PANA. That document is "EAP keying framework", which we inherent for PANA (hence we shall comply), and we shall be able to extend as appropriate. I don't see producing a similar doc for PANA, but documenting usage and extensions in appropriate PANA documents (e.g., base spec, mobopts). Alper _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 31 02:33:02 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12075 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGu3A-0007GF-K5; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:25:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGu33-0007Bi-RZ for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:25:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA11347 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGuA5-0003h8-Lp for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:32:18 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2V7OtOD000381; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:55 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j2V7Otre018639; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id SAA18636 ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:55 +0900 Received: from mx2.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2V7Ot0O008203; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j2V7OsRD013222; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2V7Os8a022350; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead (iVPN11-173.mobile.toshiba.co.jp) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0IE700AI4GLD17@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:24:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DGtoA-0004ms-00; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:09:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 02:09:38 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [Pana] pana-snmp issue In-reply-to: <004701c529bd$3f0c0fc0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> To: Alper Yegin Message-id: <20050331070938.GC18237@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline Mail-Followup-To: Alper Yegin , 'Yoshihiro Ohba' , pana@ietf.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i References: <20050310055758.GF929@steelhead> <004701c529bd$3f0c0fc0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org After taking a look at draft-ietf-eap-keying-05, I think that the most generic set of cryptographic protection parameters that are common to any link-layer security (and IPsec as well) is the parameters used by a secure association protocol. Possible parameters are (1) a key, and (2) the name of the key, and (3) the DI of the PaC (the DI can be a locally significant identifier, e.g., PPP interface-id). In the case of 802.11i, the key is PMK and the name of the key is PMKID, and the DI of the PaC is the MAC address of the PaC. Just a note that in the case of IPsec, the key is IKE pre-shared key and the name of the key is ID_KEY_ID, and the device identifier of the PaC is the IP address of the PaC. Comments? Yoshihiro Ohba On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 04:15:21PM -0800, Alper Yegin wrote: > > The following issue was raised in the IETF62 PANA meeting with regard > > to pana-snmp I-D: > > > > Can we define MIB objects to carry cryptographic protection > > parameters of any link-layer type? > > I am hoping that we can simply define a structure that can serve the > need of practically any link type. If we can convey a "L2 address" and a > "master key" to the EP, that should be sufficient. We don't need to > define the exact format of all L2 types for the "L2 address". Instead we > can follow the scalable approach taken in RFC 2461, where exact format > for FOO address type is deferred to IP-over-FOO document. > > This way we don't have to rely on any other document but a single > PANA-SNMP spec. > > Does this make sense? > > Alper > > > > _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 31 05:38:00 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01651 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:38:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGx3B-0001Th-KP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:37:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGx38-0001Tb-6v for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:37:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA01559 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp ([202.33.96.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGxA8-0008Cr-HY for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:44:38 -0500 Received: from tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.160.134]) by inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2VAb5OD013866; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:37:05 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp id j2VAb6q7016475; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:37:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp1.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.192.124] by tsb-wall.toshiba.co.jp with SMTP id VAA16473 ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:37:06 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2VAb5b2023693; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:37:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id j2VAb5Db014403; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:37:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp by tsb-sgw2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id j2VAb48a027678; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:37:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from steelhead (iVPN01-072.mobile.toshiba.co.jp) by tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.01.13.19.49.p4) with ESMTP id <0IE700JITPHNKT@tsbpo1.po.toshiba.co.jp>; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:37:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from ohba by steelhead with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1DGvt2-0004vb-00; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 01:22:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:22:48 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ohba Subject: Re: [Pana] NAT traversal In-reply-to: <001601c53486$84e96f00$6501a8c0@adithya> To: Mohan Parthasarathy Message-id: <20050331092248.GD18237@steelhead> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-disposition: inline Mail-Followup-To: Mohan Parthasarathy , Yoshihiro Ohba , Alper Yegin , pana@ietf.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i References: <004f01c529c2$462c4db0$291d9069@sisa.samsung.com> <000b01c52b1d$737b17e0$6601a8c0@adithya> <20050325074546.GV11831@steelhead> <002c01c533bc$2f53b390$6501a8c0@adithya> <20050329154111.GY11831@steelhead> <001601c53486$84e96f00$6501a8c0@adithya> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36c793b20164cfe75332aa66ddb21196 Cc: Alper Yegin , Yoshihiro Ohba , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 09:41:19AM -0800, Mohan Parthasarathy wrote: > > > > When a MAC address of PaC is used as DI, the PAA can know the DI > > (which turns into calling-station-id in RADIUS) by explicitly carrying > > DI AVP in PBR/PBA exchange. The explicit DI passing can be performed > > even if an IP address is used as DI. So I think there is no problem > > here. > > In my vague recollection of the draft, the DI is not exchanged until late in > the PANA protocol. So, any messages carried before the DI exchange > may not have the right calling station ID. > > Hmm.. For protecting the DI, you need the PANA SA which is not known until > the full EAP exchange is done. So, i don't know how you can carry the DI early on. > So, i still don't see how the radius messages carry the right calling station-id. I am not sure if the AAA server really needs to know the calling-station-id before the full EAP exchange is done. (I think that the NAS can send the calling-station-id in an Access-Request with Service-Type = Call Check after completion of the full EAP exchange.) In any case, details on the usage of calling-station-id for PANA should be described in the pana-radius draft. Yoshihiro Ohba > > -mohan > > > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 09:32:55AM -0800, Mohan Parthasarathy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 2) In RFC3580 (802.1x radius usage guidelines), it says that the calling-station-id > > > > > is the supplicant's MAC address. This is not true anymore with multi-hop PANA. > > > > > With NAT, the same happens with IP address. In 802.11i, AFAIK, the supplicant's > > > > > MAC address is not included in PMK derivation and only used later in the 4-way > > > > > association protocol. This is not a problem for PANA because the device-ID (MAC address) > > > > > gets passed before the 4-way association protocol is run. So, not passing the > > > > > real calling-station-id is safe today. Is this okay in general ? Just something to think > > > > > about.. > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "real calling-station-id"? > > > > > > > The calling-station-id as seen by the NAS today where there is neither NAT nor multiple-hops. > > > What is the significance of calling station-id of the STA/supplicant ? For example, > > > the latest key management draft seems to use it in the following way: > > > > > > AAA-Key = MSK(0,63) > > > > > > AMSK = KDF(EMSK, "EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments", > > > length) > > > > > > AAA-Key-B = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > > > multiple attachments", AAA-Key, B-Called-Station-Id, > > > Calling-Station-Id,length) > > > > > > AAA-Key-C = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > > > multiple attachments",AAA-Key, C-Called-Station-Id, > > > Calling-Station-Id, length) > > > > > > Where: > > > Calling-Station-Id = STA MAC address > > > B-Called-Station-Id = AP B MAC address > > > C-Called-Station-Id = AP C MAC address > > > prf = HMAC-SHA1 > > > KDF = defined in Section 2.4 > > > length = length of derived key material > > > > > > > > > If the authenticator does not see the supplicant's calling-station-id the AAA-key-B/C > > > transported to the authenticator may not be the same as what the station sees, right ? > > > > > > -mohan > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps there are others.. > > > > > > > > > > -mohan > > > > > > > > > > > Alper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Pana mailing list > > > > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Pana mailing list > > > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Pana mailing list > > > > Pana@ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From gillu@doramail.com Thu Mar 31 07:24:04 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA13860; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [211.171.110.140] (helo=132.151.6.1) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGypY-0003sE-2N; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:31:26 -0500 Received: from subtlety.crowley-parke.com (HELO communal.com 66.4.111.84) by weinberg.com with EMQP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:25:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:19:24 -0200 From: "Kristopher Rudolph" Message-Id: To: p2prg@ietf.org Cc: p2prg-admin@ietf.org, p2prg-archive@ietf.org, p2prg-web-archive@ietf.org, p6-web-archive@ietf.org, pana@ietf.org, pana-admin@ietf.org, pana-archive@ietf.org, pana-web-archive@ietf.org, paypal.accounts@ietf.org, pcdn@ietf.org, pce@ietf.org, pcxusldapext@ietf.org, peechsc@ietf.org, phil.oakley@ietf.org Subject: Instant low rates X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 X-Spam-Score: 16.7 (++++++++++++++++) X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Hello, We tried contacting you awhile ago about your low interest morta(ge rate. 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From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 31 07:48:14 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA15238 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGz4K-0008FU-U6; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:40 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGz4H-0008FP-99 for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA15080 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.um.es ([155.54.212.103]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGzBO-0004Wk-E7 for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:53:58 -0500 Received: from smtp.um.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6CCBF79; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.um.es (zape.um.es [155.54.212.102]) by smtp.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE57BF2F; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [155.54.210.9] (dibulibu.um.es [155.54.1.250]) by correo.um.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4945CCD; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:16 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <424BF116.6000307@dif.um.es> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:14 +0200 From: Rafa Marin Lopez User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alper Yegin Subject: Re: [Pana] NAT traversal References: <04a301c53571$8a9c8fe0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> In-Reply-To: <04a301c53571$8a9c8fe0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9a2be21919e71dc6faef12b370c4ecf5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" , "'Mohan Parthasarathy'" , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alper... > > >>For >>example, >> the latest key management draft seems to use it in the following way: >> >> AAA-Key = MSK(0,63) >> >> AMSK = KDF(EMSK, "EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple >> >> >attachments", > > >> length) >> >> AAA-Key-B = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for >> multiple attachments", AAA-Key, B-Called-Station-Id, >> Calling-Station-Id,length) >> >> AAA-Key-C = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for >> multiple attachments",AAA-Key, C-Called-Station-Id, >> Calling-Station-Id, length) >> >> Where: >> Calling-Station-Id = STA MAC address >> B-Called-Station-Id = AP B MAC address >> C-Called-Station-Id = AP C MAC address >> prf = HMAC-SHA1 >> KDF = defined in Section 2.4 >> length = length of derived key material >> >> >>If the authenticator does not see the supplicant's calling-station-id >> >> >the > > >>AAA-key-B/C >>transported to the authenticator may not be the same as what the >> >> >station > > >>sees, right ? >> >> > >We have a better identifiers than MAC addresses in PANA -- PANA Session >identifier, and PAA identifier (DiameterIdentity). For example these are >what we use in pana-mobopts. > > Then generation of AAA-key-B and AAA-key-C from EAP key management framework should be changed for PANA case. What I-D should treat this issue? On the other hand, I was wondering if AAA generates keys for diferent PANA agents as EAP key management framework explains for different APs then modifications to be included would be : AAA-Key-B-PAA = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for multiple attachments", AAA-Key,B-PAA-indentifier, PaC-DI,length) B-PAA-indentifier = extracted from PANA session. and PaC-DI replacing Calling-Station-Id. is it ok for you? 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C53549.424C21FE-- From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 31 14:43:45 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27107 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DH5Tk-0004qd-FP; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:37:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DH5Ti-0004qI-2y for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:37:18 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26709 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout3.samsung.com ([203.254.224.33]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DH5ar-00049t-FO for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:44:42 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout3.samsung.com by mailout3.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IE800A01EHTSX@mailout3.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:37:05 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout3.samsung.com [203.254.224.33]) by mailout3.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE800HNGEHTLZ@mailout3.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:37:05 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.144.29.41]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0IE8005XBEHRZE@mmp2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:37:05 +0900 (KST) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:36:57 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: RE: [Pana] pana-snmp issue In-reply-to: <20050331070938.GC18237@steelhead> To: "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" Message-id: <059301c53629$01a692e0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT This makes sense to me. Let's encode this into pana-snmp... Alper > -----Original Message----- > From: Yoshihiro Ohba [mailto:yohba@tari.toshiba.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:10 PM > To: Alper Yegin > Cc: 'Yoshihiro Ohba'; pana@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Pana] pana-snmp issue > > After taking a look at draft-ietf-eap-keying-05, I think that the most > generic set of cryptographic protection parameters that are common to > any link-layer security (and IPsec as well) is the parameters used by > a secure association protocol. Possible parameters are (1) a key, and > (2) the name of the key, and (3) the DI of the PaC (the DI can be a > locally significant identifier, e.g., PPP interface-id). > > In the case of 802.11i, the key is PMK and the name of the key is > PMKID, and the DI of the PaC is the MAC address of the PaC. > > Just a note that in the case of IPsec, the key is IKE pre-shared key > and the name of the key is ID_KEY_ID, and the device identifier of the > PaC is the IP address of the PaC. > > Comments? > > Yoshihiro Ohba > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 04:15:21PM -0800, Alper Yegin wrote: > > > The following issue was raised in the IETF62 PANA meeting with regard > > > to pana-snmp I-D: > > > > > > Can we define MIB objects to carry cryptographic protection > > > parameters of any link-layer type? > > > > I am hoping that we can simply define a structure that can serve the > > need of practically any link type. If we can convey a "L2 address" and a > > "master key" to the EP, that should be sufficient. We don't need to > > define the exact format of all L2 types for the "L2 address". Instead we > > can follow the scalable approach taken in RFC 2461, where exact format > > for FOO address type is deferred to IP-over-FOO document. > > > > This way we don't have to rely on any other document but a single > > PANA-SNMP spec. > > > > Does this make sense? > > > > Alper > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana From pana-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 31 14:47:08 2005 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (megatron.ietf.org [132.151.6.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27446 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:47:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DH5cG-0006Co-BY; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DH5cF-00067r-FL for pana@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:07 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA27348 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:46:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DH5jP-0004Px-0n for pana@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:53:32 -0500 Received: from custom-daemon.mailout1.samsung.com by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) id <0IE800B01EWJYG@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:45:55 +0900 (KST) Received: from ep_mmp2 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IE800CEXEWJGQ@mailout1.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:45:55 +0900 (KST) Received: from Alperyegin ([105.144.29.41]) by mmp2.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.17 (built Jun 23 2003)) with ESMTPA id <0IE80050PEWGZE@mmp2.samsung.com> for pana@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:45:55 +0900 (KST) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:45:47 -0800 From: Alper Yegin Subject: PANA mobility optimization (was RE: [Pana] NAT traversal) In-reply-to: <424BF116.6000307@dif.um.es> To: "'Rafa Marin Lopez'" Message-id: <059401c5362a$3d6e6ae0$6601a8c0@sisa.samsung.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: "'Yoshihiro Ohba'" , "'Mohan Parthasarathy'" , pana@ietf.org X-BeenThere: pana@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Protocol for carrying Authentication for Network Access List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pana-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: pana-bounces@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Changed the subject, as this thread is no longer about "NAT traversal". > Then generation of AAA-key-B and AAA-key-C from EAP key management > framework should be changed for PANA case. What I-D should treat this > issue? The keying details depend on the mechanics of the optimization being realized. For that, the relevant details are already in pana-mobopts I-D. The scheme in EAP-keying-framework Section 2.3 is about a pro-active approach. Pana-mobopts is a CT-based reactive approach. Details will differ. We don't have to try to fit pana-mobopts to EAP-k-f Section 2.3. They won't fit anyways..... Alper > > On the other hand, I was wondering if AAA generates keys for diferent > PANA agents as EAP key management framework explains for different APs > then modifications to be included would be : > > AAA-Key-B-PAA = prf(AMSK(0,63),"EAP AAA-Key derivation for > multiple attachments", AAA-Key,B-PAA-indentifier, > PaC-DI,length) > > > B-PAA-indentifier = extracted from PANA session. > > and > > PaC-DI replacing Calling-Station-Id. > > is it ok for you? > > Regards. > > >Alper > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Pana mailing list > >Pana@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > Rafael Marin Lopez > Faculty of Computer Science-University of Murcia > 30071 Murcia - Spain > Telf: +34968367645 e-mail: rafa@dif.um.es > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Pana mailing list > Pana@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana _______________________________________________ Pana mailing list Pana@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pana