From nobody Fri Jul 3 06:23:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327883A0879 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 06:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tgvYhHex48kv for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 06:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4154E3A0876 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 06:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.75,308,1589234400"; d="scan'208,217";a="353513016" Received: from dom38-1-82-236-155-50.fbx.proxad.net (HELO [192.168.0.34]) ([82.236.155.50]) by mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 03 Jul 2020 15:23:17 +0200 From: Vincent Roca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7BE7E7B1-AE8D-4221-8052-EEE0E67AEF39" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <573E5E3E-0C9C-4FFC-A8D5-D1DB8C1CBC3D@inria.fr> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:23:16 +0200 Cc: Marie-Jose Montpetit , Vincent Roca To: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [nwcrg] NWCRG (virtual) meeting during IETF 108 and call for agenda items X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 13:23:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7BE7E7B1-AE8D-4221-8052-EEE0E67AEF39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear all, As you may have noticed, the final IETF 108 agenda is now available: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/ = =20 Our group will meet on Monday, July 27, 2020, 13:00-13:50 UTC (Monday = Session II). This will be a short (50 mn) remote only session. =3D> Please send us agenda items you=E2=80=99d like to present. Cheers, Marie-Jose and Vincent= --Apple-Mail=_7BE7E7B1-AE8D-4221-8052-EEE0E67AEF39 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Dear = all,

As you = may have noticed, the final IETF 108 agenda is now available:

= https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/

Our group will meet on Monday, July 27, 2020, 13:00-13:50 = UTC (Monday Session II).

This will be = a short (50 mn) remote only session.

=3D> Please send us = agenda items you=E2=80=99d like to present.

Cheers,

Marie-Jose and = Vincent

= --Apple-Mail=_7BE7E7B1-AE8D-4221-8052-EEE0E67AEF39-- From nobody Wed Jul 8 23:43:35 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799E93A00B3 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 23:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ykZOmUDvMjg6 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 23:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFABD3A005F for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2020 23:43:30 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.75,330,1589234400"; d="scan'208,217";a="354000330" Received: from dom38-1-82-236-155-50.fbx.proxad.net (HELO [192.168.0.34]) ([82.236.155.50]) by mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 09 Jul 2020 08:43:22 +0200 From: Vincent Roca Message-Id: <1C35F8CA-A82D-4E53-9E92-DEB8448C83F1@inria.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_14F33CF2-4664-408B-A024-4732053E8DA7" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:43:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <573E5E3E-0C9C-4FFC-A8D5-D1DB8C1CBC3D@inria.fr> Cc: Vincent Roca , Marie-Jose Montpetit To: nwcrg@irtf.org References: <573E5E3E-0C9C-4FFC-A8D5-D1DB8C1CBC3D@inria.fr> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nwcrg] NWCRG (virtual) meeting during IETF 108 and call for agenda items X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 06:43:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_14F33CF2-4664-408B-A024-4732053E8DA7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello everybody, A reminder to tell you that we need to build our nwcrg@ietf108 agenda = rapidly. Please tell us if you intend to present something. In addition to that, we will run the SWIF codec hackathon from Monday = July 20 through Friday July 24, so **the week before the IETF 108 online = meeting**. I=E2=80=99ll devote time working on our common project during the week. = Please tell me if you intend to participate. https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/108hackathon Cheers, Marie-Jose and Vincent > Le 3 juil. 2020 =C3=A0 15:23, Vincent Roca a = =C3=A9crit : >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > As you may have noticed, the final IETF 108 agenda is now available: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/ = > =20 > Our group will meet on Monday, July 27, 2020, 13:00-13:50 UTC (Monday = Session II). > This will be a short (50 mn) remote only session. >=20 > =3D> Please send us agenda items you=E2=80=99d like to present. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Marie-Jose and Vincent --Apple-Mail=_14F33CF2-4664-408B-A024-4732053E8DA7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello= everybody,

A = reminder to tell you that we need to build our nwcrg@ietf108 agenda rapidly. Please tell us if you intend to present = something.

In = addition to that, we will run the SWIF codec hackathon = from Monday July 20 through Friday July 24, so **the week before = the IETF 108 online meeting**.

I=E2=80= =99ll devote time working on our common project during the week. Please = tell me if you intend to participate.

https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/108hackathon

Cheers,

Marie-Jose = and Vincent

Le = 3 juil. 2020 =C3=A0 15:23, Vincent Roca <vincent.roca@inria.fr> a =C3=A9crit :

Dear = all,

As you = may have noticed, the final IETF 108 agenda is now available:
= https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/agenda/

Our group will meet on Monday, July 27, 2020, 13:00-13:50 = UTC (Monday Session II).
This will be = a short (50 mn) remote only session.

=3D> Please send us = agenda items you=E2=80=99d like to present.

Cheers,

Marie-Jose and = Vincent

= --Apple-Mail=_14F33CF2-4664-408B-A024-4732053E8DA7-- From nobody Thu Jul 9 05:34:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@irtf.org Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337053A0035; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 05:34:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.7.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nwcrg@irtf.org Message-ID: <159429807512.14624.5746411705799224091@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 05:34:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [nwcrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03.txt X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 12:34:35 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Coding for efficient NetWork Communications Research Group RG of the IRTF. Title : Coding and congestion control in transport Authors : Nicolas Kuhn Emmanuel Lochin Francois Michel Michael Welzl Filename : draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2020-07-09 Abstract: FEC coding is a reliability mechanism that is distinct and separate from the loss detection of congestion controls. Using FEC coding can be a useful way to deal with transfer tail losses or with networks having non-congestion losses. However, FEC coding mechanisms should not hide congestion signals. This memo offers a discussion of how FEC coding and congestion control can coexist. Another objective is to encourage the research community to also consider congestion control aspects when proposing and comparing FEC coding solutions in communication systems. This document is the product of the Coding for Efficient Network Communications Research Group (NWCRG). The scope of the document is end-to-end communications: FEC coding for tunnels is out-of-the scope of the document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jul 9 05:37:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A033A09A8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JeUz8t9NLNy3 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 05:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.cnes.fr (mx1.cnes.fr [194.199.174.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CF593A099B for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 05:37:06 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.75,331,1589241600"; d="scan'208";a="17611390" X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2F0CwBcDgdf/wIBeApgHAEBAQEBAQcBARIBAQQEAQFAB?= =?us-ascii?q?4FDAoMDFIEzCpVBkF2FeoMzE4FeCwsBAQEBAQEBAQEgDQoEAQGETQKCFyU6B?= =?us-ascii?q?A0CEAEBAQUBAQEBAQYCAQECAoZEAQuGSQIBAwEBbBsCAQgNFSQnCyUCBAoJC?= =?us-ascii?q?AwHgwyDC6s5gTQahCQCDkGFUIE4AYFkjSSBEUOCTT6CXAEBAgEBFYEIBDyDR?= =?us-ascii?q?4ItBJo8mloHgU2BFIMGhUiJCYgZgQmBaoEaiBmFEAONa5Fiih6WYAiBXQwHM?= =?us-ascii?q?xonKyGCaQlHFwKXMIVCdDcCBgEHAQEDCY8agREBAQ?= X-URL-LookUp-ScanningError: 1 From: Kuhn Nicolas To: "nwcrg@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [nwcrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHWVe105B4j9c91mkyJEeU1s8DB5aj/Lxkg Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:37:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: <159429807512.14624.5746411705799224091@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <159429807512.14624.5746411705799224091@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-tm-as-product-ver: SMEX-11.0.0.4255-8.100.1062-25530.007 x-tm-as-result: No--21.836400-0.000000-31 x-tm-as-user-approved-sender: Yes x-tm-as-user-blocked-sender: No Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nwcrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03.txt X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 12:37:09 -0000 Dear all,=20 We have done some minor changes to the coding and congestion draft.=20 We had expected to contribute more - sorry. We have introduced some elements on the receiver and the application profil= es.=20 Cheers,=20 Nico - on the behalf of the co-authors -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: nwcrg De la part de internet-drafts@ietf.or= g Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 9 juillet 2020 14:35 =C0=A0: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc=A0: nwcrg@irtf.org Objet=A0: [nwcrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Coding for efficient NetWork Communication= s Research Group RG of the IRTF. Title : Coding and congestion control in transport Authors : Nicolas Kuhn Emmanuel Lochin Francois Michel Michael Welzl Filename : draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2020-07-09 Abstract: FEC coding is a reliability mechanism that is distinct and separate from the loss detection of congestion controls. Using FEC coding can be a useful way to deal with transfer tail losses or with networks having non-congestion losses. However, FEC coding mechanisms should not hide congestion signals. This memo offers a discussion of how FEC coding and congestion control can coexist. Another objective is to encourage the research community to also consider congestion control aspects when proposing and comparing FEC coding solutions in communication systems. This document is the product of the Coding for Efficient Network Communications Research Group (NWCRG). The scope of the document is end-to-end communications: FEC coding for tunnels is out-of-the scope of the document. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestio= n-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion-= 03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ nwcrg mailing list nwcrg@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/nwcrg From nobody Thu Jul 16 12:26:27 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@irtf.org Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF593A0B39; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:26:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: irtf-chair@irtf.org, nwcrg@irtf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.8.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159492757688.14301.9277381487127129320@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:26:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [nwcrg] nwcrg - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 108 X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:26:17 -0000 Dear Marie-Jose Montpetit, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. nwcrg Session 1 (0:50 requested) Monday, 27 July 2020, Session II 1300-1350 Room Name: Room 4 size: 4 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/sessions/nwcrg.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Coding for efficient NetWork Communications Research Group Area Name: IRTF Session Requester: Marie-Jose Montpetit Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 50 Minutes Number of Attendees: 20 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: coinrg Technology Overlap: qirg tsvarea tsvwg Key Participant Conflict: iccrg icnrg irtfopen People who must be present: Marie-Jose Montpetit Vincent Roca Resources Requested: Special Requests: LOOPS BoF --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Jul 16 12:58:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE863A0BF6 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:58:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mjmontpetit-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQczwNQwbB69 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 937D33A0BF5 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id k15so4592613lfc.4 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:58:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mjmontpetit-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sCXNRsI9FuX+5tKKisouEY3L9I+5CADrFYerLPB2Wdw=; b=MCBltuTlNuwUS0zXiPs86lsGDW1ou0c8aCr+3eOQiMJ5ztXiJKQIMQFPg9CCPJ8E2G nHwGdjPuXnfIaK5knIVYdmVTxcPM8CVjFB5YZvPiEily6MnQgYjyPzOBg1VVNW+T7g1Q oosFuPHDexsUscU6yAQ40vw1Er55ZZ7xXXS62ScOSbfVG5SD4oNhU2chHkSK9uaNj1+N e3nX/QtOm9QdmKjfb1SqFxLwdVT3Gc03QNlRpJ6vD/IqPBvBD3ipMP6Tda+1ARp5KtbR diNzbjhDs2nAunLMsn5HfX9dt+XsLaO2YOz79x4hPrL2m72PHbHi9+ixaqYt9ciCCtQ+ oLHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sCXNRsI9FuX+5tKKisouEY3L9I+5CADrFYerLPB2Wdw=; b=iVZUDjUVl3VLEpT1q3CmU9F6gH2Ht7ZHTg0gT5OWJ4Lnw+s4NWX7md9M/Cvir+s6Ux vDssT7uiJUo+u7L6aFyUxW3OW0lHE9/Ngv07zUeESht8JMontLgvhOTUb3SNaPzD/dqS JjBXitCySN7+m4XVc5l8MwbCy0lPZ1k+iFx8LJxdF6ABvNpRymUac/29qJRWXd2iIsXk J8yYqq+vNJtL0DuBxtpHTmPCUu/7UASxaNh8BR766gsl16N8vST/Zkp4n2Dh/L07b8h1 JvfTqnb5Z8VBOzf108sAi/XrkCGdgvkPU7IK5Vo8UjtTcUTAJpP/nRdTqjZ4JvSErLOl oHtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5301jgScX8bt60mKYeqOkz4T8MGacyDlL8HnmrE6lfpAF1MBgLD2 CZ5grNS8qpFD/0ZPG7fpth85VDoqWQ/Z9jczzW6VXNvyIFk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz70YiWH03luIdXZhe9hhHw6BtCFsFblOKuD0CW13oDeMEd9ecy4prDhjmgBs0DOn0TajQImnLNQHAW9omGakU= X-Received: by 2002:a19:2351:: with SMTP id j78mr2922772lfj.45.1594929510393; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:58:30 -0700 From: Marie-Jose Montpetit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:58:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: "nwcrg@irtf.org" Cc: Vincent Roca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e8c21105aa947609" Archived-At: Subject: [nwcrg] Fwd: nwcrg - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 108 X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:58:35 -0000 --000000000000e8c21105aa947609 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our session for the IETF week. Vincent & Marie-Jos=C3=A9 Marie-Jos=C3=A9 Montpetit, Ph.D. marie@mjmontpetit.com On July 16, 2020 at 3:26:17 PM, IETF Secretariat (agenda@ietf.org) wrote: Dear Marie-Jose Montpetit, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. nwcrg Session 1 (0:50 requested) Monday, 27 July 2020, Session II 1300-1350 Room Name: Room 4 size: 4 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/sessions/nwcrg.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Coding for efficient NetWork Communications Research Group Area Name: IRTF Session Requester: Marie-Jose Montpetit Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 50 Minutes Number of Attendees: 20 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: coinrg Technology Overlap: qirg tsvarea tsvwg Key Participant Conflict: iccrg icnrg irtfopen People who must be present: Marie-Jose Montpetit Vincent Roca Resources Requested: Special Requests: LOOPS BoF --------------------------------------------------------- --000000000000e8c21105aa947609 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =

Our = session for the IETF week.

Vincent & Marie-Jos=C3=A9

Marie-Jos=C3=A9 Montpetit, Ph.D.

marie@mjmontpetit.com

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On July 16, 2020 at 3:26:17 PM, IET= F Secretariat (agenda@ietf.org) wrot= e:

<= div>Dear Marie-Jose Montpetit,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. =20

nwcrg Session 1 (0:50 requested)
Monday, 27 July 2020, Session II 1300-1350
Room Name: Room 4 size: 4
---------------------------------------------

iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/sessions/nwcrg.ics

Request Information:

---------------------------------------------------------
Working Group Name: Coding for efficient NetWork Communications Researc= h Group
Area Name: IRTF
Session Requester: Marie-Jose Montpetit

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s): 50 Minutes
Number of Attendees: 20
Conflicts to Avoid: =20
Chair Conflict: coinrg
Technology Overlap: qirg tsvarea tsvwg
Key Participant Conflict: iccrg icnrg irtfopen

People who must be present:
Marie-Jose Montpetit
Vincent Roca

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:
LOOPS BoF
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Hell= o:

just a reminder = that we are meeting at 13:00 UTC today.

We will have a jabber feed for commenting/annotating b= ut we would like to also have a note taker. So we need a volunteer.

CU virtually soon.

Vincent and Marie-Jos=C3= =A9

<= div class=3D"gmail_signature">Marie-Jos=C3=A9 Montpetit, Ph.D.

marie@mjmontpetit.com

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--0000000000008c5fec05ab697d40-- From nobody Wed Jul 29 00:00:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741733A1064 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:00:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CP-6K21w5B69 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imss-3.enac.fr (imss-3.enac.fr [195.220.159.36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF5D3A1063 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta1.lfbq.aviation (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by imss-3.enac.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE91C5FDA4 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:00:23 +0200 (CEST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from [IPv6:2a01:e35:3985:8cd0:9c2f:8b06:c1bd:f0be] (pouff.recherche.enac.fr [195.83.136.8]) by webmail.lfbq.aviation (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 32bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0QE700805Y4N6740@webmail.lfbq.aviation> for nwcrg@irtf.org; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:00:23 +0200 (CEST) Sender: emmanuel.lochin@enac.fr To: nwcrg@irtf.org From: Emmanuel Lochin Message-id: Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:00:22 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 Content-language: en-US X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1224-8.2.0.1013-25490.005 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: Yes Archived-At: Subject: [nwcrg] Review draft-yang-nwcrg-bats-03 X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:00:29 -0000 Dear all, After carefully reading "BATS Coding Scheme for Multi-hop Data Transport", I have no specific comment on it. The draft is well explained and self-contained. It appears almost clear to me concerning the implementation of BATS. Just some slight comments/questions : - Being a little bit fussy, I would just rephrase "Existing network protocols like TCP/IP use end-to-end retransmission and store-and-forward at the relays" by "Existing transport protocols like TCP use end-to-end retransmission while network protocols such as IP might enable store-and-forward at the relays". I understand that you want to point out that TCP/IP has the same objective that the combination of both inner/outer BATS codes while less efficient over multihop; - Correct "Suppose that a pseudorandom number generator Rand() which generate an unsigned integer of 32 bit" -> "generates"; I understand that you need one BATS session per flow at the outer code and you write that "The inner code comprises (random) linear network coding applied on the coded packets belonging to the same batch.". So my questions are: - Does a batch similar to an encoding window as defined in RFC8406? - Does the inner code must differentiate each microflow before re-encoding? If yes, without re-encoding (pure e2e exchange) does the Batch_ID field still mandatory? - Is there a relationship between the e2e microflow and the Batch_ID? Meaning a Batch_ID always identifies a source/sender or a one of its microflow? Regards, Emmanuel -- Emmanuel LOCHIN ENAC - Ecole Nationale de l'Aviation Civile 7, avenue Edouard Belin CS 54005, 31055 Toulouse Cedex 4 France http://www.enac.fr https://elochin.github.io/ From nobody Fri Jul 31 05:54:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nwcrg@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93353A1181 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 05:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.806 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.806 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MPART_ALT_DIFF_COUNT=1.112, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id og7LsypSmtbj for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 05:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DC113A13AF for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 05:54:02 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.75,418,1589234400"; d="md'?scan'208,217";a="462037599" Received: from dom38-1-82-236-155-50.fbx.proxad.net (HELO [192.168.0.34]) ([82.236.155.50]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 31 Jul 2020 14:54:00 +0200 From: Vincent Roca Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_36CB8D85-793D-4483-B276-0D558E1D6E6B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:53:59 +0200 Cc: Marie-Jose Montpetit , Vincent Roca To: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [nwcrg] IETF108 nwcrg meeting minutes + next steps (IMPORTANT) X-BeenThere: nwcrg@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF Network Coding Research Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 12:54:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_36CB8D85-793D-4483-B276-0D558E1D6E6B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear all, Please find the minutes of the IETF 108 NWCRG meeting (also uploaded to = github + ietf). It includes a key discussion for us all (last item): =C2=AB Next steps =C2=BB, = https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/slides/slides-108-nwcrg-03-nwcrg-ietf= 108-next-steps-01 = Summary: Most of the milestones have been or could be addressed soon. So the chairs would like to: - adopt as RG-Items most of the remaining I-Ds that are still = individual documents; - publish them as informational RFCs; - and close the NWCRG group, approximately within 1 year. The authors of current drafts should be prepared to work on their = drafts: - BATS - Tetrys - two FEC for QUIC documents A RG-item adoption call for these drafts will be issued. And as always, if you want your I-Ds to be reviewed, you need to review = that of others. Regards, Marie-Jose and Vincent --Apple-Mail=_36CB8D85-793D-4483-B276-0D558E1D6E6B Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_28AD8FC1-A67B-41E6-B080-8645F21FC60D" --Apple-Mail=_28AD8FC1-A67B-41E6-B080-8645F21FC60D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dear all,

Please find the minutes of the IETF 108 NWCRG = meeting (also uploaded to github + ietf).
It includes a = key discussion for us all (last item):
=C2=AB = Next steps =C2=BB, https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/108/slides/slides-108-nwcrg-03= -nwcrg-ietf108-next-steps-01

Summary:

Most of the milestones have been or could be = addressed soon.
So the chairs would like to:
= - adopt as RG-Items most of the remaining I-Ds that are still = individual documents;
- publish them as informational = RFCs;
- and close the NWCRG group, approximately within 1 = year.

The authors of current drafts should = be prepared to work on their drafts:
- BATS
= - Tetrys
- two FEC for QUIC documents
A RG-item adoption call for these drafts will be issued.
And as always, if you want your I-Ds to be reviewed, you need = to review that of others.

Regards,

Marie-Jose and Vincent

= --Apple-Mail=_28AD8FC1-A67B-41E6-B080-8645F21FC60D Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ietf108_nwcrg_minutes.md Content-Type: text/markdown; x-unix-mode=0644; name="ietf108_nwcrg_minutes.md" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable # IETF 108 NWCRG Meeting Minutes * [Datatracker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/rg/nwcrg/)=20 * [Github](https://github.com/irtf-nwcrg/rg-materials/) ## nwcrg online meeting Online meeting on Monday Session II 13:00-13:50 (UTC). [Time Zone = Conversion:](https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=3D2= 0200727T13&p1=3D1440&am=3D50) #### 00- Welcome, administrative and general matters (Chairs) (10'+5') #### 01- Feedback on hackathon=20 (Vincent Roca) (5') Small team and little progress over the week, but at least the source = code is now here (encoder and decoder). It's now essentially a matter of debuging. We'll have a new hackathon during IETF 109. ### Updates of existing works: =20 #### 02- "Coding and congestion control in transport" I-D (Nicolas Kuhn) (5+5') =20 = (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-nwcrg-coding-and-congestion/)= VR: if the I-D remains a "discussion draft" as it is today, without = trying to become a "recommendation draft", how far is it from a = consolidated version? What amount of work remains to be done? NK: Afraid to open a pandora box since we could add much more content, = even as a discussion draft, but is it worth? VR: We need to define the scope depending on the time we have. Anurag (not sure): Usually FEC is part of the physical layer and = involves sync between two ends. 1- Is there any kind of synchronisation = mechanims either as part of transport or FEC signaling? 2 Usually the = packets have some differential delay depending on network fluctuations. = Are these aspects being considered? NK: For the moment the two channels [FEC and CC] are considered = different in order to be as generic as possible. We do not look at how = signaling could be done because it depends on how the mechanismes are = being used. I take the point. The synchronisation aspects must be = defined or discussed.=20 Spencer Dawkins (SD): thank you for doing this important work. Regarding = discussion vs. recommendation. Depends on=20 NK: for the moment we make general statements. Not sure to what extent = we can make more specific requirements. To go further in recommendations = we need to go further in the protocols in use. SD: My suggestion would be to do two different drafts. Recommendation is = for protocol designers. People in IETF often raise such issues. This is = anyway an important draft. Fran=C3=A7ois Michel (on chat): we could try to recommend to ignore = losses when we know we are on a satellite link and losses are not caused = by congestion.=20 NK: we agree. ### Next steps (Chairs, all) (20') Summary: Most of the milestones have been addressed or could be addressed (non = finalized docs). So the chairs would like to: - adopt as RG-Items most of the remaining I-Ds that are still individual = documents; - publish them as informational RFCs; - and close the NWCRG group, approximately within 1 year. The authors of current drafts should be prepared to work on their = drafts. It concerns BATS and Tetrys teams for instance. Regarding FEC for QUIC, the goal is to publish them within NWCRG, since = the IETF QUIC group is well behind schedule and it's not realistic to = expect these I-Ds to be moved there any time soon. And as always: if you want your drafts to be reviewed, be ready to = review that of others. SD: I've been talking with the LOOPS proponents to be sure they were = consistent on their position, looked at the slides, etc. I hope there = will be discussion around FEC on Friday LOOPS BOF. MJM: I intend to participate to LOOPS. Colin Perkins: both the Congestion Control and FEC for QUIC documents = are pretty close to IETF work, we'll need to discuss on what is most = appropriate. I'm happy to see the group has achieved his goals. MJM: the Congestion Control could be pretty a standalone doc, the QUIC = work, I agree is close to IETF document. But I'd be very careful not to = overwhelm QUIC with Yet Another Document. Anyway we have time to = discuss. MJM: we'll see if it make sense to have a short interim before November = to make sure documents have made progress. -- =20 Total allocated time: 50' --Apple-Mail=_28AD8FC1-A67B-41E6-B080-8645F21FC60D Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

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