From nobody Tue Jan 5 02:38:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53351B2A95 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 02:38:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VoCZfCPUA2pr for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 02:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E7EE1B2A8E for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 02:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id DAAB7B74A0681 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:38:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u05AcNBi024899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:38:26 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA05.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.1.213]) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.111]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 11:38:26 +0100 From: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" To: NVO3 Thread-Topic: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt Thread-Index: AQHRR6U1q/xC1puNjk20pSnGDQ0Lqg== Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 10:38:25 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.9.151119 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2B14DA18B94Dmatthewboccialcatellucentcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [nvo3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 10:38:30 -0000 --_000_D2B14DA18B94Dmatthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This email begins a two week working group last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-ar= ch-04.txt. Please review the draft and post any comments to the NVO3 working group lis= t. If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no comments and b= elieve it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC, please also ind= icate so to the WG email list. This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January 2016. Best regards Matthew and Benson --_000_D2B14DA18B94Dmatthewboccialcatellucentcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1FF34C2E48B25147AA07209FD8360177@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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This email begins a two week working group last call for <= span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;">draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01.txt

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Best regards

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--_000_D2B14E108B952matthewboccialcatellucentcom_-- From nobody Thu Jan 7 02:16:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D24B1A885F for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 02:16:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BgDqKHAkoklg for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 02:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3F4E1A8871 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 02:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (unknown [49.149.205.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9590E1801569; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:16:31 +0100 (CET) To: "Bocci, Matthew (Matthew)" , NVO3 References: From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <568E3AF9.6090301@pi.nu> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:16:25 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 10:16:36 -0000 Working Group, I re-read the document now, I like the document, it is clear and well- written. It is is ready for publication as a Informational RFC, some small nits, questions and suggestions. Nits: Terminology - NIC needs to be expanded. 3.4 - VM is not expanded (maybe even an entry in the terminology section is motivated). Section 3.1.2 TTL Considerations Are the TTLs (in the case a L3 network carrying L3 traffic) independent? Section 5.5 ARP is not expanded; I would support a request to the RFC Editor to make it well-know, but as long as it isn't it should be expanded, when used first time. I would have thought that familiarity with the NVO3 problem statement and frame would be required. At least an informative reference and a sentence pointing out this work would be good. /Loa On 2016-01-05 18:38, Bocci, Matthew (Matthew) wrote: > This email begins a two week working group last call for > draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt. > > Please review the draft and post any comments to the NVO3 working group > list. > > If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no comments > and believe it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC, please > also indicate so to the WG email list. > > This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January 2016. > > Best regards > > Matthew and Benson > > > _______________________________________________ > nvo3 mailing list > nvo3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 > From nobody Tue Jan 12 17:49:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D6E1B2B8F for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:49:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.622 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.622 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTtsVof2KmlC for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qg0-x22d.google.com (mail-qg0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 133351B2B8B for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qg0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id b35so314223893qge.0 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:49:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=66idtC9hKMfFXj0cTHSnb4WO7z7aFnSlLOsmtC9ZJIc=; b=bAbGImBNItPurNFMbB4/mIoTgoRrUnEMmgWxw0bfJLqWpbz5gYqZ4SB42qs65GAf2I lrktbyyOvblBkBbVAV2hHTQLlt1DpEcwmwmLYkIz+/NVRq1q3MPdpEYJnyCGMOf70Ojb DzQyQXbY1NvFdaSprIH1sw8aRythQiRpZGdnQ4fsDfcIoWPCswTyzJLgn1Y3gtwzKtIU FoBKhRO5NjDOmvgqnV9bFfzP3ZA4bd5jV5EI0yLgz0QYNn4iw9WKoCVc068DA+1TKh5C H6YcuvKNG/5FMoGV8owQBEnhClCpc3NrEQRFUKs/OoAMD29raG9JmKjyfmw8ahyf8Khn 0R5g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.135.16 with SMTP id 16mr150058174qhh.79.1452649754242; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:49:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: ghanwani@gmail.com Received: by 10.55.52.17 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:49:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 17:49:14 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: lTLKyjL9ifL0CO1gaWu-qQircaY Message-ID: From: Anoop Ghanwani To: "nvo3@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1136f75295b69305292d60e2 Archived-At: Subject: [nvo3] comments on draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04 X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 01:49:17 -0000 --001a1136f75295b69305292d60e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Here are my comments (really suggestions) for the NVO3 architecture doc. Anoop == Global comments - A separate section for list of acronyms would be useful. - Throughout the document, there are statements of the form "the nvo3 architecture must support ...". This is the architecture document which is specifying the architecture. To me, it seems like these statements should say "the nvo3 architecture supports (or allows) ...". Section 3 >>>> Tenant Systems connected to a virtual network typically communicate freely with other Tenant Systems on the same VN, but communication between Tenant Systems on one VN and those external to the VN (whether on another VN or connected to the Internet) is carefully controlled and governed by policy. >>>> In light of the work in the SFC WG, I don't think this is necessarily true. You can have policies that control communication even within a VN. >>> any L2 destination addresses provided by Tenant Systems are effectively ignored. For L3 service, the Tenant System will be configured with an IP subnet that is effectively a point-to-point link, i.e., having only the Tenant System and a next-hop router address on it. >>> I don't think the statement about L2 addresses being ignored is correct. L2 addresses would be correctly set to get the packet from the VM to the NVE, it's just that they NVE would remove the MAC header and thereafter a new MAC header is not put on the frame until it gets to the destination NVE. Section 3.2 Is there a 1:1 mapping between VAP and VNI? That's what Fig 2 appears to show (and what the text says). How are multiple VLANs on a TSI/NIC handled? Section 3.3 >>> While flooding works, it can lead to traffic hot spots and can lead to problems in larger networks. >>> Would be good to elaborate what kinds of problems. Section 3.4 >>> Both can pass information about what virtual networks a VM connects to down to the hypervisor. >>> Should this say "All three" rather than both? Section 4.2.1 >>> In the split-NVE case, however, the VLAN tag used between the hypervisor and offloaded portions of the NVE normally only identify the specific VN that traffic belongs to. In order to allow a tenant to preserve VLAN information in the split-NVE case, additional mechanisms would be needed. >>> It's not clear to me what the problem is and why additional mechanisms are needed. Clarify if possible. Section 4.3 Bullet 3 - suggest a reference to the multicast framework draft. Also what is referred to as "serial multicast" in this draft (there are multiple instances, not just this section) is called "replication at the source NVE" in the multicast draft. It would good to align the terminology. Section 8.3 >>> While the NVA could push information about every virtual network to every NVE, such an approach scales poorly and is unnecessary. In practice, a given NVE will only need and want to know about VNs to which it is attached. >>> This statement needs some work in light of distributed gateway. Information about VNs not directly attached is very much needed, as long as routing to them is permitted. Section 9, Figure 3 What is more likely having local GWs, i.e. 2 IP-Gs, one in each NV domain, rather than a single IP-G sitting in the middle. The IP-Gs would communicate using regular VPN methods such as BGP E-VPN. --001a1136f75295b69305292d60e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are my comments (really suggestions) for the NVO= 3 architecture doc.

Anoop

=3D=3D

Global comments
- A separate sec= tion for list of acronyms would be useful.
- Throughout the docum= ent, there are statements of the form "the nvo3 architecture must supp= ort ...".=C2=A0 This is the architecture document which is specifying = the architecture.=C2=A0 To me, it seems like these statements should say &q= uot;the nvo3 architecture supports (or allows) ...".

Section 3
>>>>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Tenant Systems con= nected to a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0virtual network typically communicate freely wi= th other Tenant
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Systems on the same VN, but communication b= etween Tenant Systems on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0one VN and those external to the V= N (whether on another VN or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0connected to the Internet) is c= arefully controlled and governed by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0policy.
>&= gt;>>

In light of the work in the SFC WG, I = don't think this is necessarily true.=C2=A0 You can have policies that = control communication even within a VN.

>>&g= t;
   any L2 destination
   addresses provided by Tenant Systems are effectively ignored.  For L3
   service, the Tenant System will be configured with an IP subnet that
   is effectively a point-to-point link, i.e., having only the Tenant
   System and a next-hop router address on it.
>>>
=
I don't think the statement about L2 addresses being ign= ored is correct.=C2=A0 L2 addresses would be correctly set to get the packe= t from the VM to the NVE, it's just that they NVE would remove the MAC = header and thereafter a new MAC header is not put on the frame until it get= s to the destination NVE.

Section 3.2
Is there a 1:1 mapping between VAP and VNI?=C2=A0 That's w= hat Fig 2 appears to show (and what the text says).=C2=A0 How are multiple = VLANs on a TSI/NIC handled?

Section 3.3
=
>>>
While flooding w=
orks, it can lead to traffic hot spots and can lead to problems in larger n=
etworks.
>>>

Would be goo= d to elaborate what kinds of problems.

Section 3.4=
>>>
Both can pass
   information about what virtual networks a VM connects to down to the
   hypervisor. 
>>>

Should this say "All three" rather than bot= h?

Section 4.2.1
>>>
=
In the
   split-NVE case, however, the VLAN tag used between the hypervisor and
   offloaded portions of the NVE normally only identify the specific VN
   that traffic belongs to.  In order to allow a tenant to preserve VLAN
   information in the split-NVE case, additional mechanisms would be
   needed.
>>>

It's n= ot clear to me what the problem is and why additional mechanisms are needed= .=C2=A0 Clarify if possible.

Section 4.3

Bullet 3 - suggest a reference to the multicast framework d= raft.=C2=A0 Also what is referred to as "serial multicast" in thi= s draft (there are multiple instances, not just this section) is called &qu= ot;replication at the source NVE" in the multicast draft.=C2=A0 It wou= ld good to align the terminology.

Section 8.3

>>>
   While t=
he NVA could push information about every virtual network to
   every NVE, such an approach scales poorly and is unnecessary.  In
   practice, a given NVE will only need and want to know about VNs to
   which it is attached.  
>>>
This stat= ement needs some work in light of distributed gateway.=C2=A0 Information ab= out VNs not directly attached is very much needed, as long as routing to th= em is permitted.

Section 9, Figure 3
What is more likely having local GWs, i.e. 2 IP-Gs, one in each= NV domain, rather than a single IP-G sitting in the middle.=C2=A0 The IP-G= s would communicate using regular VPN methods such as BGP E-VPN.
=




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--001a1136f75295b69305292d60e2-- From nobody Thu Jan 14 12:27:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietf.org Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9103D1ACCEA; Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:27:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.12.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160114202703.19972.78949.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 12:27:03 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: nvo3@ietf.org Subject: [nvo3] I-D Action: draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 20:27:03 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Network Virtualization Overlays Working Group of the IETF. Title : Geneve: Generic Network Virtualization Encapsulation Authors : Jesse Gross Ilango Ganga Filename : draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2016-01-14 Abstract: Network virtualization involves the cooperation of devices with a wide variety of capabilities such as software and hardware tunnel endpoints, transit fabrics, and centralized control clusters. As a result of their role in tying together different elements in the system, the requirements on tunnels are influenced by all of these components. Flexibility is therefore the most important aspect of a tunnel protocol if it is to keep pace with the evolution of the system. This draft describes Geneve, a protocol designed to recognize and accommodate these changing capabilities and needs. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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10.107.140.150 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:01:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20160114202703.19972.78949.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160114202703.19972.78949.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:01:08 -0800 Message-ID: From: Tom Herbert To: "nvo3@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nvo3] I-D Action: draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:01:11 -0000 On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:27 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Virtualization Overlays Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Geneve: Generic Network Virtualization Encapsulation > Authors : Jesse Gross > Ilango Ganga > Filename : draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2016-01-14 > > Abstract: > Network virtualization involves the cooperation of devices with a > wide variety of capabilities such as software and hardware tunnel > endpoints, transit fabrics, and centralized control clusters. As a > result of their role in tying together different elements in the > system, the requirements on tunnels are influenced by all of these > components. Flexibility is therefore the most important aspect of a > tunnel protocol if it is to keep pace with the evolution of the > system. This draft describes Geneve, a protocol designed to > recognize and accommodate these changing capabilities and needs. > A couple of comments... The discussion of efficient implementation (section 2.2.1) seems vague to me. For example, from the draft: "As new functionality becomes sufficiently well defined to add to endpoints, supporting options can be designed using ordering restrictions and other techniques to ease parsing." What are these ordering restrictions? Does this mean TLVs have (or might eventually have) some defined ordering as to how they can appear in the packet? Would this contradict section 4.3: "Option ordering is not significant". What are "other techniques to ease parsing"? Thanks, Tom > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > nvo3 mailing list > nvo3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 From nobody Tue Jan 19 16:13:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ED01B382C for ; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:13:47 -0800 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quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "nvo3@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [nvo3] I-D Action: draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:09:46 -0000 On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Jesse Gross wrote: > On 1/18/16, 1:01 PM, "nvo3 on behalf of Tom Herbert" on behalf of tom@herbertland.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:27 PM, wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Virtualization Overlays Workin= g > Group of the IETF. > > Title : Geneve: Generic Network Virtualization > Encapsulation > Authors : Jesse Gross > Ilango Ganga > Filename : draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2016-01-14 > > Abstract: > Network virtualization involves the cooperation of devices with a > wide variety of capabilities such as software and hardware tunnel > endpoints, transit fabrics, and centralized control clusters. As a > result of their role in tying together different elements in the > system, the requirements on tunnels are influenced by all of these > components. Flexibility is therefore the most important aspect of a > tunnel protocol if it is to keep pace with the evolution of the > system. This draft describes Geneve, a protocol designed to > recognize and accommodate these changing capabilities and needs. > > A couple of comments... > > The discussion of efficient implementation (section 2.2.1) seems vague > to me. For example, from the draft: > > "As new functionality becomes sufficiently well defined to add to > endpoints, supporting options can be designed using ordering > restrictions and other techniques to ease parsing." > > What are these ordering restrictions? Does this mean TLVs have (or > might eventually have) some defined ordering as to how they can appear > in the packet? Would this contradict section 4.3: "Option ordering is > not significant". > > What are "other techniques to ease parsing"? > > > The draft is purposely trying to be agnostic to different implementations > and obviously doesn=E2=80=99t want to mandate any specific techniques. Th= ere are > several different types of software/devices and different architectures > within those classes so it would be difficult to say what the =E2=80=9Cri= ght=E2=80=9D way to > do things is today, let alone the future. However, given the number of > implementations that either already exist or are emerging, it seems like > this is a solvable problem. > That really doesn't answer my question. Let me rephrase it: "What are the normative requirements of Geneve with respect to TLV ordering?" I would extrapolate that they are: 1) Per the protocol, TLV ordering is not relevant. A transmitter MAY send TLVs in any order. A receiver MUST accept TLVs in any order. Packets with the same options in a different order MUST be processed alike. 2) A transmitter SHOULD send TLVs in the prescribed ordering (by option class and type?). A receiver MAY optimize processing for the prescribed ordering. Tom > Thanks for pointing out the possible inconsistency in the text =E2=80=93 = I=E2=80=99ll take a > look at that. > > Jesse From nobody Wed Jan 20 10:41:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB981ACCF8 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:41:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.278 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.278 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3CGOHrbhzhHc for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E36CF1AC40D for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id q21so29331502iod.0 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=herbertland-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=iJqCbnuyRrvH4Pu2pi5G16mwA0DparwuceRAcSGJHDg=; b=tnqxOQT4dKhhGMpTs3M/Y49sYoELXgFf0t/BySEOTSrSaNKFbCx+i3LKUReXc+SGYX xss6PhdZu7mMJZw3wBShk6FT/g8d4XlcYxqOaExxvwdQDe0v1RprgR9XTdShKoozoz8q usr8KVFi5CFuZdJwg2PORwacuWXCFYusjRbmteuDhfPnp1V2CQIfWeXAdIcuPcjMKB0T q9Kfho/IvmAUFXNyTvICzOqjMe+ql+JjlTgeoX5NW2hX+9gaZxDs6v4JPymcOUKu0Lpe fXLNOaPPoI5EYhCTFIMEyxk8s6cj5zs4uak3FZ2Q2W3Fb26vIx9joA3Oat7e7ka3Sngd z7xg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=iJqCbnuyRrvH4Pu2pi5G16mwA0DparwuceRAcSGJHDg=; b=Fx5GLku3doR3e1oT7JdQvi3ZgPlNEGThdeJCdqVRjenTAyDs31+SS15i24M+8WAwy2 9qp2FVPlQ1Tom0zh67oNcu3CStSnmbOdfffJbBuE84GaxGlfQdR5omQzATIuhHE9JI/8 EbPj6fYa+f6JNUc/o5m1VBHcLA2Zvdm8I+W4dyLkEcK+kTokgUYfyDuJB29J0iGhHnKF GMMVj3xSHaLLQbqgbKJ0CC9xonHn1Ai9hRLTS50cC2DzDRXVuXyJYzzCBZjU7DPIpssy 0d+O9UdoS7641aJS4THxQhURoSQQ88yulUSwwcK097FBhX0zjb32ogZiqdwXdUMYyBGF P1DQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn1pF8hVzpYNna6opyN+xDPZH+8jTuiAdH8S5OHAZH0eH83zQjo0aZVzXJrrH9MWe8mYJ5EYBTpU3JNQlz6lbd0/qe+yw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.152.142 with SMTP id a136mr34024541ioe.84.1453315302090; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.107.140.150 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:41:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20160114202703.19972.78949.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20160114202703.19972.78949.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 10:41:41 -0800 Message-ID: From: Tom Herbert To: "nvo3@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nvo3] I-D Action: draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:41:44 -0000 A few more comments:.. General: The use of the term frame versus packet are inconsistent. For instance, in section: "If the receiving endpoint does not recognize this option and this bit is set then the frame MUST be dropped." but later "Packets in which the total length of all options is not equal to the 'Opt Len' in the base header are invalid and MUST be silently dropped if received by an endpoint." I think both of these mean the same thing which is to drop the packet. IMO defining a Geneve frame is unnecessary. Showing outer Ethernet headers in header format does not add anything useful to the specification. For that matter, showing inner Ethernet headers is not necessary either since protocol type could be just as well be other Ethertypes (IPv4, IPv6, etc.). >From section 4.2: "some applications may limit the types of options which are supported or enforce a maximum number or length of options." This allowance permits applications to set the maximum number of options to zero, that is to say they don't have to support options at all. So what is to prevent Geneve TLVs from suffering the same fate of IP options which were obsoleted by decisions in implementation not to support them? >From section 3.3: "The checksum MAY be set to zero on transmit for packets encapsulated in both IPv4 and IPv6 [RFC6935]." RFC6935 does not give a blank check for disabling the UDP checksum is IPv6, there are restrictions and limitations. Please look at RFC7510 (MPLS/UDP) and GRE/UDP draft to see how those deal with this. Congestion considerations should also be taken into account. Please look at RFC5405 and how were dealing with the issue in GRE/UDP. >From section 3.4: "Since these are infrequent control messages, it is RECOMMENDED that endpoints direct these packets to a high priority control queue (for example, to direct the packet to a general purpose CPU from a forwarding ASIC or to separate out control traffic on a NIC)." I am dubious about this as a recommendation. To do this would require a lot of complexity in a NIC and is protocol specific. Such a thing could be done generally by implementing a high priority diff-serv queue and marking the IP header appropriately. But more than that, a lot of OAM is about validating a data path or measuring latency-- if control packets explicitly take a different path then their usefulness for such things is diminished. >From section: 3.5.1 "Sending endpoints MUST NOT assume that options will be processed sequentially by the receiver in the order they were transmitted." I think this should be worded as "receivers MAY process options in any order". But, you probably want to also allow that possibility that processing order might be relevant in cases like when options perform functions over payload so that there are ordering dependencies. For example, if one TLV gives CRC over the data and another performs compression they have to be processed in the opposite order that sender used to create the packet. Or maybe the intent is that all the TLVs in a list must be independent? Are duplicate options allowed in header (two or more TLVs with same class/type possibly different data)? If so, is there a requirement for processing order? "A particular option is specified to have either a fixed length, which is constant, or a variable length, which may change over time or for different use cases. This property is part of the definition of the option and conveyed by the 'Type'.": Is fixed vs. variable length indicated by a bit in Type then? If a receiver receives a fixed length type option but the length field is not the corresponding value, what is the action the receiver takes? More generally, I would infer that a critical option that is somehow malformed (bad length or or other wise) that the packet is to be dropped similar to dropping when a critical option is unknown. But, what if an option is not critical but is malformed. Should the packet be dropped, or should the option be ignored as though it is an unknown non-critical option? "For fixed length options, some implementations may choose to ignore the length field in the option header and instead parse based on the well known length associated with the type." This seems like a can of worms to me. It is allowing the length of a TLV to be determined in two different ways which opens the door to ambiguity when those two methods are in disagreement. Neither am I sure what the value is in ignoring the length field, any implementation will already have implemented the logic to parse variable length options anyway. One source of truth is always better! Tom On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 12:27 PM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the Network Virtualization Overlays Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Geneve: Generic Network Virtualization Encapsulation > Authors : Jesse Gross > Ilango Ganga > Filename : draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2016-01-14 > > Abstract: > Network virtualization involves the cooperation of devices with a > wide variety of capabilities such as software and hardware tunnel > endpoints, transit fabrics, and centralized control clusters. As a > result of their role in tying together different elements in the > system, the requirements on tunnels are influenced by all of these > components. Flexibility is therefore the most important aspect of a > tunnel protocol if it is to keep pace with the evolution of the > system. This draft describes Geneve, a protocol designed to > recognize and accommodate these changing capabilities and needs. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-01 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > nvo3 mailing list > nvo3@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/nvo3 From nobody Fri Jan 22 04:16:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31B51A1AC1 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 04:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KhrkVJ2WoMYY for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 04:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E3DA1A1ABC for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 04:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr712umx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.45]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 2BD9340098A4C; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:15:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.42]) by fr712umx4.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id u0MCFp8q030357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:15:52 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr712usmtp2.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u0MCFnMc002419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:15:51 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA05.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.1.11]) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.112]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:15:50 +0100 From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , NVO3 Thread-Topic: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 Thread-Index: AQHRVQ6hA6eF7o/45EWFzhOvTRg1bQ== Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:15:49 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.41] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2C7CDD18ED28matthewboccinokiacom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 12:15:57 -0000 --_000_D2C7CDD18ED28matthewboccinokiacom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WG I am going to let this last call run for a couple more weeks as I have not = seen any comments. The new closing date is Friday 5th Feb 2016. Regards Matthew From: Dacheng Zhang > o= n behalf of Matthew Bocci > Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10:40 To: NVO3 > Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 This email begins a two week working group last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mc= ast-framework-01.txt. Please review the draft and post any comments to the NVO3 working group lis= t. If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no comments and b= elieve it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC, please also ind= icate so to the WG email list. This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January 2016. Best regards Matthew and Benson --_000_D2C7CDD18ED28matthewboccinokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <230B056D02311C43B4767AB5B79CF892@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WG

I am going to let this last call run for a couple more weeks as I have= not seen any comments.

The new closing date is Friday 5th Feb 2016.

Regards

Matthew

From: Dacheng Zhang <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ma= tthew Bocci <matthew= .bocci@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10= :40
To: NVO3 <nvo3@ietf.org>
Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@to= ols.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org> Subject: [nvo3] WG last call for dr= aft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01

This email begins a two week working group last call for <= span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap;">draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01.txt

Please review the draft and post any comments to the N= VO3 working group list. 

If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no comments = and believe it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC, pleas= e also indicate so to the WG email list.

This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January 2016.

Best regards

Matthew and Benson
--_000_D2C7CDD18ED28matthewboccinokiacom_-- From nobody Mon Jan 25 08:24:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietf.org Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD451B2CF1; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:24:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160125162455.27376.44327.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:24:55 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com, nvo3@ietf.org, nvo3-chairs@ietf.org, akatlas@gmail.com Subject: [nvo3] nvo3 - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:24:55 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Matthew Bocci, a Chair of the nvo3 working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Network Virtualization Overlays Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Matthew Bocci Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: bess i2rs pals rtgwg sfc lisp ianaplan anima sdnrg nfvrg Second Priority: trill taps tsvwg teas spring tsvarea Third Priority: bfd idr isis mpls ospf pce pim dmm netext netmod netconf opsawg irtfopen homenet intarea Special Requests: Please avoid conflict with any BoFs in the Routing, Internet, or Ops areas as a Second Priority. Also avoid scheduling this WG session for Friday, as at least one of the co-chairs will be unavailable. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Tue Jan 26 16:15:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847321A0302 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:14:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zhu-l5cK18EY for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A81E81A032D for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:14:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CHM14796; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:14:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.218.25.35) by lhreml406-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.243) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:14:49 +0000 Received: from SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.3.143]) by SJCEML702-CHM.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.108]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:14:43 -0800 From: Huaimo Chen To: "nvo3@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 Thread-Index: AQHRVQ6hA6eF7o/45EWFzhOvTRg1bZ8OfhmQgAAGVPA= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:14:42 +0000 Message-ID: <5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D44E4D21B1@SJCEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com> References: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657DE1D96@dfweml701-chm> In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657DE1D96@dfweml701-chm> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.212.244.112] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D44E4D21B1SJCEML701CHMchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020202.56A80BFC.01BD, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.3.143, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 020fa3f6f1739a9caae6cc111758f63c Archived-At: Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:14:58 -0000 --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D44E4D21B1SJCEML701CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Support. Best Regards, Huaimo From: nvo3 [mailto:nvo3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Noki= a - GB) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:16 AM To: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB); NVO3 Cc: draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 WG I am going to let this last call run for a couple more weeks as I have not = seen any comments. The new closing date is Friday 5th Feb 2016. Regards Matthew From: Dacheng Zhang > o= n behalf of Matthew Bocci > Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10:40 To: NVO3 > Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 This email begins a two week working group last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mc= ast-framework-01.txt. Please review the draft and post any comments to the NVO3 working group lis= t. If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no comments and b= elieve it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC, please also ind= icate so to the WG email list. This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January 2016. Best regards Matthew and Benson --_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D44E4D21B1SJCEML701CHMchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Support.

 

Best Regards,

Huaimo

 

From: nvo3 [ma= ilto:nvo3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:16 AM
To: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB); NVO3
Cc: draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework= -01

 

WG

 

I am going to let this last call run for a couple more weeks a= s I have not seen any comments.

 

The new closing date is Friday 5th Feb 2016.=

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 

From: Dacheng Zhang <nvo= 3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Matthew Bocci <matthew.bocci@alcatel-lucent.com>=
Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10:40
To: NVO3 <nvo3@ietf.org><= br> Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-nvo3= -mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01<= o:p>

 

This email begins a two week working group last call for = draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01.txt.=  

 

Please review the draft and post any comments to the NVO3 work= ing group list. 

 

If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no c= omments and believe it is ready for publication as an Informational RF= C, please also indicate so to the WG email list.

 

This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January= 2016.

 

Best regards

 

Matthew and Benson

--_000_5316A0AB3C851246A7CA5758973207D44E4D21B1SJCEML701CHMchi_-- From nobody Wed Jan 27 04:00:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: nvo3@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095C21A7013; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 04:00:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E7r8XAS6bPxC; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 04:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C6311A8741; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 04:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fr711umx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.39]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 9CBBE1865035B; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:00:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.122]) by fr711umx2.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id u0RC0Q3l011470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:00:26 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.111]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u0RC0O73002524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:00:25 +0100 Received: from FR711WXCHMBA05.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.1.11]) by FR711WXCHHUB01.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.111]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:00:24 +0100 From: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" To: "Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)" , NVO3 Thread-Topic: [nvo3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt Thread-Index: AQHRWPpNrw+5tmUkMU6DM0xwj4vVQQ== Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:00:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.0.151221 x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.38] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2CE61268F9C9matthewboccinokiacom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-arch@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt X-BeenThere: nvo3@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Network Virtualization Overlays \(NVO3\) Working Group" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 12:00:31 -0000 --_000_D2CE61268F9C9matthewboccinokiacom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This email closes the WG last call. Authors: we had a couple of sets of comments. Please can you respond to the= m and revise the draft accordingly? Regards Matthew From: Dacheng Zhang > o= n behalf of Matthew Bocci > Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10:38 To: NVO3 > Subject: [nvo3] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt This email begins a two week working group last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-ar= ch-04.txt. Please review the draft and post any comments to the NVO3 working group lis= t. If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no comments and b= elieve it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC, please also ind= icate so to the WG email list. This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January 2016. Best regards Matthew and Benson --_000_D2CE61268F9C9matthewboccinokiacom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <71AAAEE198B0E74EA64A4CF0B1BF1BDC@exchange.lucent.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This email closes the WG last call.

Authors: we had a couple of sets of comments. Please can you respond t= o them and revise the draft accordingly?

Regards

Matthew

From: Dacheng Zhang <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ma= tthew Bocci <matthew= .bocci@alcatel-lucent.com>
Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10= :38
To: NVO3 <nvo3@ietf.org>
Subject: [nvo3] WG Last Call for dr= aft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt

This email begins a two week working grou= p last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-arch-04.txt

Please review the draft a= nd post any comments to the NVO3 working group list. 

If you have read the latest version = of the draft but have no comments and believe it is ready for publicat= ion as an Informational RFC, please also indicate so to the WG email list.<= /font>

This working group last call will close o= n Friday 21st January 2016.

Best regards

Matthew and Benson
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2016 16:39:23 -0000 --_000_2691CE0099834E4A9C5044EEC662BB9D57239FDAdfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First of all, I support the draft to be published as RFC. It addresses a us= eful application. Here are some comments for the improvement. General: - NVO3 may have multi-homing NVE configuration, please address tha= t each mcast method is able to support multi-homing NVEs. - It is necessary to elaborate security concerns in section 7 whe= n using mcast methods in nvo3 environment - Several citations refer to old drafts, should point to the corre= sponding RFCs. - Terms: Tenant system, TSS, hosts, VM, are used in the draft here= and there, suggest making consistent or state out at beginning that they m= ean the same entity. In Section 3.2, the following text is unclear: =85.When the members of a multicast group are outside the NVO3 domain, it is necessary for NVO3 gateways to keep track of the remote members of each multicast group. The NVEs then communicate these mappings to the NVA. Even if the membership is not communicated to the NVA, if it is necessary to prevent hosts attached to an NVE that have not subscribed to a multicast group from receiving the multicast traffic, the NVE needs to maintain the multicast group membership. Suggested text as follow: =85When the members of a multicast group are outside the NVO3 domain, it is necessary for NVO3 gateways to keep track of the remote members of each multicast group. The NVEs and gateways communica= te the interested multicast groups to the NVA. To prevent hosts attached to= an NVE that have not subscribed to a multicast group from receiving the multicast traffic, th= e NVE needs to maintain the multicast group membership. In section 3.4, need a reference to BIER solution. Section 5.1 case may happen to all mcast methods, not only to the method in= 3.3, clarify which mcast solution still can work and which will not. In ad= dition, clarify what are TSS router and TS=92s router. Cheers, Lucy From: nvo3 [mailto:nvo3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Noki= a - GB) Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:16 AM To: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB); NVO3 Cc: draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 WG I am going to let this last call run for a couple more weeks as I have not = seen any comments. The new closing date is Friday 5th Feb 2016. Regards Matthew From: Dacheng Zhang > o= n behalf of Matthew Bocci > Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10:40 To: NVO3 > Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org" > Subject: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01 This email begins a two week working group last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mc= ast-framework-01.txt. Please review the draft and post any comments to the NVO3 working group lis= t. If you have read the latest version of the draft but have no comments and b= elieve it is ready for publication as an Informational RFC, please also ind= icate so to the WG email list. This working group last call will close on Friday 21st January 2016. Best regards Matthew and Benson --_000_2691CE0099834E4A9C5044EEC662BB9D57239FDAdfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First of all, I suppor= t the draft to be published as RFC. It addresses a useful application.=

 

Here are some comments= for the improvement.

 

General:

- =          NVO3 may have = multi-homing NVE configuration, please address that each mcast method is ab= le to support multi-homing NVEs.

- =          It is necessar= y to elaborate security concerns  in section 7 when using mcast method= s in nvo3 environment

- =          Several citati= ons refer to old drafts, should point to the corresponding RFCs.

- =          Terms: Tenant = system, TSS, hosts, VM, are used in the draft here and there, suggest makin= g consistent or state out at beginning that they mean the same entity.

 

In Section 3.2, the fo= llowing text  is unclear:

 

 <= /p>

 =85.When the member= s of a multicast group are outside the NVO3

   domain, it i= s necessary for NVO3 gateways to keep track of the

   remote membe= rs of each multicast group.  The NVEs then communicate

   these mappin= gs to the NVA.  Even if the membership is not

   communicated= to the NVA, if it is necessary to prevent hosts

   attached to = an NVE that have not subscribed to a multicast group

   from receivi= ng the multicast traffic, the NVE needs to maintain the

   multicast gr= oup membership.

 <= /p>

Suggested text as foll= ow:

 

   =85When t= he members of a multicast group are outside the NVO3

   domain, i= t is necessary for NVO3 gateways to keep track of the

   remote me= mbers of each multicast group.  The NVEs and gateways communicate=

   the inter= ested multicast groups to the NVA. To prevent hosts attached to an NVE= that have not

   subs= cribed to a multicast group from receiving the multicast traffic, the NVE n= eeds to maintain the

   multicast= group membership.

 

In section 3.4, nee= d a reference to BIER solution.

 

Section 5.1 case ma= y happen to all mcast methods, not only to the method in 3.3, clarify which= mcast solution still can work and which will not. In addition, clarify wha= t are TSS router and TS=92s router.

 

 

Cheers,

Lucy=

 

 

  

 

From: nvo3 [ma= ilto:nvo3-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB)
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:16 AM
To: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB); NVO3
Cc: draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework= -01

 

WG

 

I am going to let this last= call run for a couple more weeks as I have not seen any comments.

 

The new closing date is Fri= day 5th Feb 2016.

 

Regards

 

Matthew

 

From: Dacheng Zhang <nvo3-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Matthew Bocc= i <matthew.bocci@alc= atel-lucent.com>
Date: Tuesday, 5 January 2016 at 10:40
To: NVO3 <nvo3@ietf.org><= br> Cc: "draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-nvo3= -mcast-framework@tools.ietf.org>
Subject: [nvo3] WG last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01<= o:p>

 

This email begins a two wee= k working group last call for draft-ietf-nvo3-mcast-framework-01= .txt

 

Please review the draft and= post any comments to the NVO3 working group list. <= /span>

 

If you have read the latest= version of the draft but have no comments and believe it is ready for= publication as an Informational RFC, please also indicate so to the WG email list.

 

This working group last cal= l will close on Friday 21st January 2016.

 

Best regards

 

Matthew and Benson

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