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------=_NextPart_000_53C0_0000791B.00004376-- From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 1 08:06:11 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12300 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:06:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13546; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:05:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id FAA24430; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta3+Sun/8.12.2.Beta3) with ESMTP id g01D5gZR026252 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.sun.com (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id FAA07499 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from a88.lambo.student.liu.se (a88.lambo.student.liu.se [130.236.229.88]) by venus.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01758 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 500) id 5268434CBF; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:05:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF24BCF40; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:05:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:05:40 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peter_=C5strand?= X-X-Sender: To: RJ Atkinson Cc: Subject: Re: Invalid UTF-8 strings In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20011231125330.009fc630@10.30.15.3> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > >In my opinion, the protocol spec. should be changed to use the Unicode > >definition of UTF-8. This would limit NFS4 to codepoints between U+000000 > >and U+10FFFF (with surrogate pairs, ~20 bits), but I think thats enough. > > That proposal would preclude certain languages from being fully supported > that are currently fully supported, so is a non-starter, though I am sure Please give an example of such language. > the proposal works fine for Swedish. The IETF practice is always to specify > ISO-10646 and ought not be changed peculiarly just for NFS. I see. If IETF practice is to always use ISO-10646, i agree that NFS4 should not make exceptions. However, NFS4 should have a well-defined behaviour for UTF-8 error conditions, like what a Unicode-system should do with a UTF-8 value greater than U+10FFFF. One possibility is of course to return NFS4ERR_INVAL. -- Peter Åstrand Telephone: +46-13-21 46 00 Cendio Systems E-mail: peter@cendio.se Teknikringen 3 583 30 Linköping Sweden From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 1 08:33:04 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12493 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19692; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 06:32:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id FAA19405; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta3+Sun/8.12.2.Beta3) with ESMTP id g01DWUZR026268 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.sun.com (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id FAA25308 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:32:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from a88.lambo.student.liu.se (a88.lambo.student.liu.se [130.236.229.88]) by venus.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA08355 for ; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 05:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 500) id 86DA934CBF; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:32:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B38ACF40; Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:32:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 14:32:30 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peter_=C5strand?= X-X-Sender: To: Erik Seaberg Cc: Subject: Re: Invalid UTF-8 strings In-Reply-To: <86d70vnnoz.fsf@unx51.staff.flyingcroc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > Can a NFS4 server impose local filesystem rules against client > requests? If so, NFS4 over a UTF-16 filesystem simply never allows > codepoints beyond U+10FFFF in filenames, just as over a Unix > filesystem it never allows "/" or "\0" in filenames. RFC 3010 stated The following characters are invalid in Windows XP file names: / \ : * ? " < > | But Unix systems typically have many files with, for example ":". As I understand, we have two choices here: 1. Allowing "all" characters i NFS4 and adding an error indicating that the server didn't accept the file name. I think Windows has an error called ERROR_INVALID_NAME. Maybe something similiar would be useful in NFS4. or: 2. Explicitly defining which characters/names that are invalid i NFS4 (if any). Servers will have to use some kind of "escape" mechanism to store strange file names in their filesystems. I'm surprised this problem has not been discussed earlier. > > Should a Unix-kernel-client pass the octets given in open() > > unmodified over the wire, to the server? > > I suppose the only other option is a libc wrapper that runs the > filename through mbstowcs() in the current locale and then wcstombs() > in a UTF-8 locale, just as Win32's CreateFileW() will have to convert > from UTF-16. Do ANSI or POSIX have anything to say about I18N of > open() or fopen(), or is the filename arg just assumed to be in some > unknown single-byte encoding? Good question. BTW1: Linux (at least 2.2.19) returns ENOENT when trying to do open(name-with-invalid-windows-character) in a mounted SMB file system. BTW2: Where can I find sample code for validating ISO10646-UTF-8? Happy new year! -- Peter Åstrand Telephone: +46-13-21 46 00 Cendio Systems E-mail: peter@cendio.se Teknikringen 3 583 30 Linköping Sweden From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Wed Jan 2 12:13:47 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA07329 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14327; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:11:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id JAA10689; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:12:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com (jurassic [129.146.88.31]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta3+Sun/8.12.2.Beta3) with ESMTP id g02HC2ZR027772 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sun.COM (terra.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.86.99]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta3+Sun/8.12.2.Beta3) with ESMTP id g02HC33C153774; Wed, 2 Jan 2002 09:12:03 -0800 (PST) Sender: Brent.Callaghan@eng.sun.com Message-ID: <3C333F66.DE095F05@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:12:06 -0800 From: Brent Callaghan Reply-To: Brent.Callaghan@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com CC: minutes@ietf.org Subject: Minutes from nfsv4 WG meeting @ 52nd IETF (Salt Lake City) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NFSv4 Working Group Meeting @ 52nd IETF, Salt Lake City ------------------------------------------------------- Reported by Brent Callaghan Co-chair, Brent Callaghan, presented the meeting agenda and introduced Rob Thurlow as first speaker. Rob made a case for file Replication and Migration work to be included in the NFSv4 working group re-charter. He began with a quote from Brian Pawlowski: "NFS version 4 is incomplete without this." Distributed filesystems like AFS and DCE/DFS have provided replication and migration services, but NFS doesn't. He argued that this work is appropriate for the NFSv4 working group because can more easily be designed to serve the needs of NFS version 4, handle some of the details of NFSv4 (e.g. its file attributes) and can be designed to support the NFSv4 consistency and correctness requirements. Brian Carpenter questioned the interest in this work given the low turnout at the WG meeting. Brian Pawlowski pointed out that the meeting did not represent those on the mailing list, and suggested that Rob solicit mailing list participants to help with replication/migration work. Brian Carpenter asked about support in the NFSv4 protocol to handle a replication/migration event, e.g. what happens to filehandles? Brian Pawlowski responded that this support has already been designed into the protocol. Document editor, Spencer Shepler, then stood up and gave a quick summary of the October "bakeoff" event, where several implementations of NFS v4 were tested for interoperability. A lot of progress was made with the new open state model and few new protocol issues were raised. New protocol features tested were named attributes and delegation. Also mentioned was an NFSv4 client written in Python that is suitable for use as a client test harness. Spencer then gave an overview of the 160 items on the list of issues with RFC 3010. The list of updates can be seen at http://www.nfsv4.org/rfc3010updates . Most of the issues are minor tweaks to the protocol or its documentation and are well understood. There are some issues on the list that are still being worked: - Some further clarifications (minor modifications) to the open/locking state model. - Open upgrade/downgrade paths. Windows file open deny modes conflict with UNIX. - Special stateid usage by UNIX clients. - File locking conflict at file open time between Windows and UNIX clients. - Support of security mechanisms in pseudo filesystems. - Addition of WINDOWS semantics for file removal on CLOSE. Previous behavior was to rename the file to .nfsxxxx. - Need to handle recovery of partial state "loss". For instance, loss of state on a single file. Also need to handle removal of state, e.g. stuck client holding open a lock. - Require clarification on Various delegation scenarios. For instance, if a client mounts the same filesystem twice, will delegations "thrash" ? This is not a protocol issue, but it needs to be documented. We also need to clarify and contrast the return of delegation via CLOSE and DELEGRETURN operations. - Need additional clarification on the validation of UTF-8 strings. Scott Bradner suggested that we look at the work of the Internationalized Domain Names group (IDN) in canonicalizing UTF-8 strings for the purpose of comparison. Spencer hopes to have all the changes integrated with the draft spec by the end of January to form a stable base for interoperability testing at Connectathon in March. Brian Pawlowski reviewed the work items ahead for the working group, starting with completion of revisions to rfc3010 and closing of all open issues, followed by a verification of interoperability (suitable for Draft submission) at Connectathon. NFSv4 is still waiting on advancement of RPC RFC's and GSS-dependent drafts, and a new set of milestones for advancement of the spec. Scott mentioned that the IESG is struggling with the notion of interoperability when applied to an API, such as GSS-API. Scott suggested that a short RFC is needed that describes how the IESG will evaluate API interoperability. Brian indicated that a new draft charter has been submitted to the IESG based on feedback from the Transport Area Directors. An additional issue is whether this group should exploit RDMA work for NFS and RPC. Scott added that the ROI BOF (RDMA over the Internet) was evenly split between forming a working group and having another BOF, but he was confident that a working group would eventually be formed. 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Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:11:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:11:47 -0600 From: Spencer Shepler To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: Strange file names Message-ID: <20020103201147.X100394@dhcp-aus08-186.sun.com> Reply-To: shepler@eng.sun.com Mail-Followup-To: Spencer Shepler , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i On Mon, Peter ?strand wrote: > > The spec says that file named "." or ".." have no special semantics in > NFS4. Does this mean servers should accept requests for creating files > with these names? I believe quite many servers will have trouble with that > :-) The same goes for names with "/" and "\". Which error code should > servers return on, for example, CREATE with such strange filename? > NFS4ERR_INVAL? NFS4ERR_INVAL is the appropriate error. > I would prefer banning the following names in NFS4: > > . (U+002E) > .. (U+002E, U+002E) > Names with / (U+002F) > Names with \ (U+005C) > Names with NULL (U+0000) Why? Some operating environments may make use of them. For example, a unix client and server could use '\' in filenames. While with a Windows client and server this would not work it doesn't seem appropriate to ban use of that character for all. Based on current NFSv2/v3 practice, I don't it is necessary for NFSv4 to restrict name construction any further than it does today. The server allowed to return an error if a character is used that it does not support. -- Spencer From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Fri Jan 4 04:26:33 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA29702 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 04:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13282; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id BAA03559; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g049KZNg002628 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.sun.com (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id BAA17376 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from a88.lambo.student.liu.se (a88.lambo.student.liu.se [130.236.229.88]) by venus.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15686 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6426334CBF; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:20:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0FCCF40; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:20:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:20:36 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peter_=C5strand?= X-X-Sender: To: Spencer Shepler Cc: Subject: Re: Strange file names In-Reply-To: <20020103201147.X100394@dhcp-aus08-186.sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > > The spec says that file named "." or ".." have no special semantics in > > NFS4. Does this mean servers should accept requests for creating files > > with these names? I believe quite many servers will have trouble with that > > :-) The same goes for names with "/" and "\". Which error code should > > servers return on, for example, CREATE with such strange filename? > > NFS4ERR_INVAL? > > NFS4ERR_INVAL is the appropriate error. > > > I would prefer banning the following names in NFS4: > > > > . (U+002E) > > .. (U+002E, U+002E) > > Names with / (U+002F) > > Names with \ (U+005C) > > Names with NULL (U+0000) > > Why? Some operating environments may make use of them. For example, > a unix client and server could use '\' in filenames. While with a > Windows client and server this would not work it doesn't seem > appropriate to ban use of that character for all. After thinking about it, I agree. Have I understood things correctly, if I say: * NFS4 does not restrict any file name characters or file names * NFS4 servers can return NFS4ERR_INVAL to indicate it did not allow a certain character or file name. * It's ok for a server to allow creation of files named "." and "..". * It's ok for a server to reject arbitrary names, like "UglyServer", or all names not matching "*.*" (enforcing names with a dot). ? -- Peter Åstrand Telephone: +46-13-21 46 00 Cendio Systems E-mail: peter@cendio.se Teknikringen 3 583 30 Linköping Sweden From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Fri Jan 4 09:51:18 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA04102 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 09:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23881; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:48:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id GAA22308; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g04EmUNg002877 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.43]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id GAA26768 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23762 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:48:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id g04EmQ304823; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id g04EmQ4I003057; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:48:25 -0800 Message-ID: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BA1@red.nane.netapp.com> From: "Noveck, Dave" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27Peter_=C5strand=27?= , Spencer Shepler Cc: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: RE: Strange file names Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 06:48:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id JAA04102 I agree except that I would prefer another error in these situations. INVAL generally indicates that the client did something wrong. I believe that if the name does not obey the rules of UTF-8, we return INVAL. And I suppose this is also true if the name is of length zero (there is no NFS4ERR_NAMETOOSHORT :-) It seems that these situations are different. You have a name which is valid from the protocol point of view but the server chooses not to support it for whatever reason. How about: NFS4ERR_BADNAMECHAR if the name contains a character not supported by the server. NFS4ERR_BADNAMESTRING if the name is not supported by the server for any other reasons. Two errors might help a client recover more intelligently (through an escaping mechanism) if he doesn't want to just reflect the error to the user. That's minor though. The big thing is that I can imagine wasting a lot of time trying to debug an NFS4ERR_INVAL situation, when we really have a server's decision about what to support, or conversely, hiding a real problem in a request and assuming that the server must be objecting to the name and reflecting that error to the user, making it harder to find your bugs. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Åstrand [mailto:peter@cendio.se] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:21 AM To: Spencer Shepler Cc: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: Strange file names > > The spec says that file named "." or ".." have no special semantics in > > NFS4. Does this mean servers should accept requests for creating files > > with these names? I believe quite many servers will have trouble with that > > :-) The same goes for names with "/" and "\". Which error code should > > servers return on, for example, CREATE with such strange filename? > > NFS4ERR_INVAL? > > NFS4ERR_INVAL is the appropriate error. > > > I would prefer banning the following names in NFS4: > > > > . (U+002E) > > .. (U+002E, U+002E) > > Names with / (U+002F) > > Names with \ (U+005C) > > Names with NULL (U+0000) > > Why? Some operating environments may make use of them. For example, > a unix client and server could use '\' in filenames. While with a > Windows client and server this would not work it doesn't seem > appropriate to ban use of that character for all. After thinking about it, I agree. Have I understood things correctly, if I say: * NFS4 does not restrict any file name characters or file names * NFS4 servers can return NFS4ERR_INVAL to indicate it did not allow a certain character or file name. * It's ok for a server to allow creation of files named "." and "..". * It's ok for a server to reject arbitrary names, like "UglyServer", or all names not matching "*.*" (enforcing names with a dot). ? -- Peter Åstrand Telephone: +46-13-21 46 00 Cendio Systems E-mail: peter@cendio.se Teknikringen 3 583 30 Linköping Sweden From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Fri Jan 4 10:35:10 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05749 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 10:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18245; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:34:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id HAA28956; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g04FYINg002937 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.34]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id HAA08181 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25602 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 08:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id g04FYK309204; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id g04FYH2l007296; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:34:16 -0800 Message-ID: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BA3@red.nane.netapp.com> From: "Noveck, Dave" To: "'Brent.Callaghan@Sun.COM'" , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: RE: Minutes from nfsv4 WG meeting @ 52nd IETF (Salt Lake City) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 07:34:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Brian Carpenter questioned the interest in this work given > the low turnout at the WG meeting. Brian Pawlowski pointed > out that the meeting did not represent those on the mailing > list, and suggested that Rob solicit mailing list > participants to help with replication/migration work. > Brian Carpenter asked about support in the NFSv4 protocol > to handle a replication/migration event, e.g. what happens > to filehandles? Brian Pawlowski responded that this support > has already been designed into the protocol. The matter is addressed but what is in V4 is probably not adequate for use by disparate servers participating in filesystem migration using this protocol. If something else is needed, it could be added in a minor version of V4. If the filehandles are persistent, the current model is that they stay the same upon migration. This was intended for migration among homogeneous servers using a private protocol and agreeing among themselves on the format of handles. This isn't a very good fit for heterogenous migration. The only way to use it would be for all participating servers to agree on an initial unique id at the front of all handles subject to migration and then maintaining mapping table so that the new server can respond to old handles using the unqiue id in front to recognize old handles. This table would have to be persistent and maintained as long as the old handles were considered valid. Another option are handles that are volatile at migration. This has the basic problem that rebinding to expired volatile handles is name-based and that there are situations in whch the client doesn't know the current name of the file. He might be unable to find a file that has the name he knows or he might find one which is not the file he had opened. That makes migration something that may or may not work from the applicaion point of view, rather than something that can be relied on. 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January 2 =96 CBS Mar= ketWatch - "Analyst Mark Augustine at USB Piper Jaffray believes 2002
will be a strong year for the biotechnology sector due to impro= ving industry fundamentals and a
favorable market and economic environment=2E He also feels merg= er speculation could hit
development-stage companies=2E"


December 24 - Washington Post - "As investors look for new plac= es to park their money, biotech
firms are grabbing a larger share of a shrinking pool of ventur= e capital=2E=2E=2E What we=92re seeing is a
greater interest in the life sciences sector than any other sec= tor" 


Recent progress by genetic researchers worldwide, including the= well-known Human
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------=_NextPart_000_28A7AD_01C19810.8BDB2C60-- From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 8 21:06:25 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA16171 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16855; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id SAA22055; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com (jurassic [129.146.83.130] (may be forged)) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g0923vNg017447 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sun.COM (terra.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.86.99]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g0924279255840 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:04:02 -0800 (PST) Sender: Brent.Callaghan@eng.sun.com Message-ID: <3C3BA517.9EC9ACBC@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 18:04:07 -0800 From: Brent Callaghan Reply-To: Brent.Callaghan@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: Minutes from nfsv4 WG meeting @ 52nd IETF (Salt Lake City) References: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BA3@red.nane.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Noveck, Dave" wrote: > > > > Brian Carpenter questioned the interest in this work given > > the low turnout at the WG meeting. Brian Pawlowski pointed > > out that the meeting did not represent those on the mailing > > list, and suggested that Rob solicit mailing list > > participants to help with replication/migration work. > > Brian Carpenter asked about support in the NFSv4 protocol > > to handle a replication/migration event, e.g. what happens > > to filehandles? Brian Pawlowski responded that this support > > has already been designed into the protocol. > > The matter is addressed but what is in V4 is probably not > adequate for use by disparate servers participating in filesystem > migration using this protocol. If something else is needed, > it could be added in a minor version of V4. > > If the filehandles are persistent, the current model is that > they stay the same upon migration. This was intended for > migration among homogeneous servers using a private protocol > and agreeing among themselves on the format of handles. > > This isn't a very good fit for heterogenous migration. The > only way to use it would be for all participating servers to > agree on an initial unique id at the front of all handles subject > to migration and then maintaining mapping table so that the new > server can respond to old handles using the unqiue id in front > to recognize old handles. This table would have to be persistent > and maintained as long as the old handles were considered valid. > > Another option are handles that are volatile at migration. This > has the basic problem that rebinding to expired volatile handles > is name-based and that there are situations in whch the client > doesn't know the current name of the file. He might be unable > to find a file that has the name he knows or he might find one > which is not the file he had opened. That makes migration something > that may or may not work from the applicaion point of view, rather > than something that can be relied on. Though hopefully a migration event will be more controlled than the open slather of a fully volatile server operating continuously. The filehandles need be "volatile" only for the duration of migration. So, for instance, the migration servers could apply a "grace" period that gives clients a chance to replay pathnames and acquire new filehandles when the migration is complete. Still no absolute guarantee of safety - but it's close. Brent From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Wed Jan 9 02:18:47 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA00333 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA24929; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:18:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id XAA06517; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g097I4Ng018004; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:18:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.36]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id XAA15896; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (mailhost.c2l.fr [213.56.148.241]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10230; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:18:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from hgguiui7 (03-185.024.popsite.net [216.126.162.185]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16158; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 07:51:34 +0100 Message-Id: <200201090651.HAA16158@localhost.localdomain> From: "Art Silvio" Subject: The Biotech Sector #2745 To: hot39d@localhost.localdomain X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE VÐßD.1712.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:56:03 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a MIME Message ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0" ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ***** This is an HTML Message ! ***** ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

         =    STOCKS ARE DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD=

         Where can the sophisticated investor go for returns that beat the= market?


        THE BIOTECH SECTOR IS STILL HOT!


    Consider this=2E=2E= =2E

 

January 2 =96 CBS Mar= ketWatch - "Analyst Mark Augustine at USB Piper Jaffray believes 2002
will be a strong year for the biotechnology sector due to impro= ving industry fundamentals and a
favorable market and economic environment=2E He also feels merg= er speculation could hit
development-stage companies=2E"


December 24 - Washington Post - "As investors look for new plac= es to park their money, biotech
firms are grabbing a larger share of a shrinking pool of ventur= e capital=2E=2E=2E What we=92re seeing is a
greater interest in the life sciences sector than any other sec= tor" 


Recent progress by genetic researchers worldwide, including the= well-known Human
Genome Project's effort to map the human genome, has grabbed th= e world's attention
with its vast possibilities and made it a very attractive field= for speculative investors=2E

Many experts agr= ee that the future of medicine is in
genomic research=2E=2E=2E=2E <= /font>

Millions of people di= e each year from disease and thousands more die from negative
responses to drugs=2E The science of genomics promises to impro= ve lives by (1)
identifying the genes that cause disease so doctors can attack = a disease before
symptoms ever become visible, and (2) determining which drugs s= hould be prescribed
to a person based on their unique genetic make-up=2E 

  • The entire pharma= ceutical industry has developed drugs against only about 500
    genes=2E If 200 common diseases are each caused by 50 diff= erent genes, there
    may be 10,000 disease genes out there, so the vast majorit= y of the disease
    genes will not have existing drugs to combat them=2E =
     

Would you be intere= sted in jump-starting your 
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  • Led by a Harvard-trained Ph=2ED=2E, a new developmen= t-stage company is taking
    advantage of the recent advances in genomics and informati= on technology to
    solve as many common diseases as possible within the next = five years by
    identifying as many of the genes as possible which contrib= ute to a specific
    disease=2E 

  • The Company's goal is nothing short of a medical rev= olution: they aim to
    change the way medicine is practiced=2E Instead of waiting= for symptoms to 
    develop, they intend to diagnose disease before any signs are visible<= br>

  • They already own three potentially blockbuster clini= cal provisional patents that
    are ready for immediate licensing=2E 

  • It is estimated by Daniel Cohen of Genset that a sin= gle disease gene is worth
    from 40 to 80 million dollars=2E This new company expects= to find hundreds of
    these=2E

  • It is estimated by Daniel Cohen of G= enset that a single disease gene is worth
    from 40 to 80 million dollars=2E This new company expects= to find hundreds of
    these=2E

  • The company just received an infusion of $2M in vent= ure capital and began
    trading less than two months ago=2E This is truly a groun= d floor opportunity=2E=2E

  • The company's stated goal is to be bought out for a = minimum of $100M or get
    listed on the NASDAQ Small Cap or NASDAQ National Market S= ystems
    Exchange=2E Either of these outcomes should be a boon to t= he Company's
    shareholders=2E 


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         =    STOCKS ARE DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD=

         Where can the sophisticated investor go for returns that beat the= market?


        THE BIOTECH SECTOR IS STILL HOT!


    Consider this=2E=2E= =2E

 

January 2 =96 CBS Mar= ketWatch - "Analyst Mark Augustine at USB Piper Jaffray believes 2002
will be a strong year for the biotechnology sector due to impro= ving industry fundamentals and a
favorable market and economic environment=2E He also feels merg= er speculation could hit
development-stage companies=2E"


December 24 - Washington Post - "As investors look for new plac= es to park their money, biotech
firms are grabbing a larger share of a shrinking pool of ventur= e capital=2E=2E=2E What we=92re seeing is a
greater interest in the life sciences sector than any other sec= tor" 


Recent progress by genetic researchers worldwide, including the= well-known Human
Genome Project's effort to map the human genome, has grabbed th= e world's attention
with its vast possibilities and made it a very attractive field= for speculative investors=2E

Many experts agr= ee that the future of medicine is in
genomic research=2E=2E=2E=2E <= /font>

Millions of people di= e each year from disease and thousands more die from negative
responses to drugs=2E The science of genomics promises to impro= ve lives by (1)
identifying the genes that cause disease so doctors can attack = a disease before
symptoms ever become visible, and (2) determining which drugs s= hould be prescribed
to a person based on their unique genetic make-up=2E 

  • The entire pharma= ceutical industry has developed drugs against only about 500
    genes=2E If 200 common diseases are each caused by 50 diff= erent genes, there
    may be 10,000 disease genes out there, so the vast majorit= y of the disease
    genes will not have existing drugs to combat them=2E =
     

Would you be intere= sted in jump-starting your 
portfolio with an aggressive Biotech investment?&nb= sp;

  • Led by a Harvard-trained Ph=2ED=2E, a new developmen= t-stage company is taking
    advantage of the recent advances in genomics and informati= on technology to
    solve as many common diseases as possible within the next = five years by
    identifying as many of the genes as possible which contrib= ute to a specific
    disease=2E 

  • The Company's goal is nothing short of a medical rev= olution: they aim to
    change the way medicine is practiced=2E Instead of waiting= for symptoms to 
    develop, they intend to diagnose disease before any signs are visible<= br>

  • They already own three potentially blockbuster clini= cal provisional patents that
    are ready for immediate licensing=2E 

  • It is estimated by Daniel Cohen of Genset that a sin= gle disease gene is worth
    from 40 to 80 million dollars=2E This new company expects= to find hundreds of
    these=2E

  • It is estimated by Daniel Cohen of G= enset that a single disease gene is worth
    from 40 to 80 million dollars=2E This new company expects= to find hundreds of
    these=2E

  • The company just received an infusion of $2M in vent= ure capital and began
    trading less than two months ago=2E This is truly a groun= d floor opportunity=2E=2E

  • The company's stated goal is to be bought out for a = minimum of $100M or get
    listed on the NASDAQ Small Cap or NASDAQ National Market S= ystems
    Exchange=2E Either of these outcomes should be a boon to t= he Company's
    shareholders=2E 


Want to find out= more?

Please enter you= r email address in the box below and hit the submit  to request a free report= on this exciting opportunity=2E

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------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Wed Jan 9 15:17:46 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA14324 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01179; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:16:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id MAA08382; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g09KG6Ng020555 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.36]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id MAA29599 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:16:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18934 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:16:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id g09KGA304180; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id g09KG9ic017803; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:16:09 -0800 Message-ID: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BBB@red.nane.netapp.com> From: "Noveck, Dave" To: "'Brent.Callaghan@Sun.COM'" , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: RE: Minutes from nfsv4 WG meeting @ 52nd IETF (Salt Lake City) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:16:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Unless I'm missing something, it seems your approach would deal with renames that happened after the migration event, but be exposed to the effects of renames of open files that happened before the migration event. Suppose I open A. Get back handle X and stateid S. Another client renames A to be B and renames C to be A. Migration. Client references A using handle X and gets NFS4ERR_MOVED. He then gets the new location of the fs. Client has prevously determined that the handles for the fs are volatile on migration so he doesn't use them. Instead ... He does a lookup of A. He gets handle Y, which does not designate the same file as was designated by handle X before (because of the renames). He then does an open claim-previous specifying Y and gets back stateid T. Everything is great except he has wrong file opened. The reason that open claim-previous takes a handle rather than a directory handle and a filename is to avoid the problem of connecting to the wrong files when renames occur. Since we would have to get the new handle using the unreliable name, re-opening after migration would be exposed to that very problem. I think some sort of grace period is essential to make this problem tractable, but I believe that you need some sort of mapping facility that allows the client to convert old handles to new ones, without depending on name lookup, which may do the wrong thing, from the client's point of view. -----Original Message----- From: Brent Callaghan [mailto:Brent.Callaghan@Sun.COM] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:04 PM To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: Minutes from nfsv4 WG meeting @ 52nd IETF (Salt Lake City) "Noveck, Dave" wrote: > > > > Brian Carpenter questioned the interest in this work given > > the low turnout at the WG meeting. Brian Pawlowski pointed > > out that the meeting did not represent those on the mailing > > list, and suggested that Rob solicit mailing list > > participants to help with replication/migration work. > > Brian Carpenter asked about support in the NFSv4 protocol > > to handle a replication/migration event, e.g. what happens > > to filehandles? Brian Pawlowski responded that this support > > has already been designed into the protocol. > > The matter is addressed but what is in V4 is probably not > adequate for use by disparate servers participating in filesystem > migration using this protocol. If something else is needed, > it could be added in a minor version of V4. > > If the filehandles are persistent, the current model is that > they stay the same upon migration. This was intended for > migration among homogeneous servers using a private protocol > and agreeing among themselves on the format of handles. > > This isn't a very good fit for heterogenous migration. The > only way to use it would be for all participating servers to > agree on an initial unique id at the front of all handles subject > to migration and then maintaining mapping table so that the new > server can respond to old handles using the unqiue id in front > to recognize old handles. This table would have to be persistent > and maintained as long as the old handles were considered valid. > > Another option are handles that are volatile at migration. This > has the basic problem that rebinding to expired volatile handles > is name-based and that there are situations in whch the client > doesn't know the current name of the file. He might be unable > to find a file that has the name he knows or he might find one > which is not the file he had opened. That makes migration something > that may or may not work from the applicaion point of view, rather > than something that can be relied on. Though hopefully a migration event will be more controlled than the open slather of a fully volatile server operating continuously. The filehandles need be "volatile" only for the duration of migration. So, for instance, the migration servers could apply a "grace" period that gives clients a chance to replay pathnames and acquire new filehandles when the migration is complete. Still no absolute guarantee of safety - but it's close. Brent From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Wed Jan 9 17:17:50 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17752 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18700; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:17:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id OAA04146; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com (jurassic [129.146.86.38] (may be forged)) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g09MHDNg020959 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sun.COM (terra.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.86.99]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta4+Sun/8.12.2.Beta4) with ESMTP id g09MHKUl265896 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:17:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: Brent.Callaghan@eng.sun.com Message-ID: <3C3CC174.9C5B3E3B@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 14:17:24 -0800 From: Brent Callaghan Reply-To: Brent.Callaghan@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76C-CCK-MCD Netscape [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: Migration/Replication & renames References: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BBB@red.nane.netapp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Noveck, Dave" wrote: > > Unless I'm missing something, it seems your approach would > deal with renames that happened after the migration event, > but be exposed to the effects of renames of open files > that happened before the migration event. > > Suppose I open A. Get back handle X and stateid S. > > Another client renames A to be B and renames C to be > A. > > Migration. Client references A using handle X and gets > NFS4ERR_MOVED. He then gets the new location of the fs. How about a grace period that freezes name changes before the migration event ? > I think some sort of grace period is essential to make this > problem tractable, but I believe that you need some sort > of mapping facility that allows the client to convert > old handles to new ones, without depending on name lookup, > which may do the wrong thing, from the client's point of > view. I'd prefer we find a way to avoid mapping tables. A mapping table has the potential to be huge, expensive to create, and it has to be kept somwhere. It could turn into another .nfsxxx problem. Still hoping we can come up with a migration/replication protocol that's popular independently of NFSv4. Brent From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jan 10 16:55:18 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA24665 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20652; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:52:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id NAA09323; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2.Beta5+Sun/8.12.2.Beta5) with ESMTP id g0ALqEKE022896 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.36]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id NAA09291 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29127 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:52:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id g0ALqK306451; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id g0ALqGxc025632; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:52:15 -0800 Message-ID: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BBF@red.nane.netapp.com> From: "Noveck, Dave" To: "'Brent.Callaghan@Sun.COM'" , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: RE: Migration/Replication & renames Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:52:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Brent Callaghan wrote: > "Noveck, Dave" wrote: > > > > Unless I'm missing something, it seems your approach would > > deal with renames that happened after the migration event, > > but be exposed to the effects of renames of open files > > that happened before the migration event. > > > > Suppose I open A. Get back handle X and stateid S. > > > > Another client renames A to be B and renames C to be > > A. > > > > Migration. Client references A using handle X and gets > > NFS4ERR_MOVED. He then gets the new location of the fs. > > How about a grace period that freezes name changes > before the migration event ? How long does such a period last? It would have to be long enough such that no open which started before it began could still be present since any such open would have been pending during a period before the grace period started, and during that period of time renames including renames of the particular open file would have been allowed. Even if you could bound the time a file was open (and I doubt you could do that), the limit woudl be so large that there would be no way you hold off renames for that period of time, and it woudl mean that you couldn't actually effect the migration for a considerable time after deciding to do it. > > I think some sort of grace period is essential to make this > > problem tractable, but I believe that you need some sort > > of mapping facility that allows the client to convert > > old handles to new ones, without depending on name lookup, > > which may do the wrong thing, from the client's point of > > view. > > I'd prefer we find a way to avoid mapping tables. A mapping > table has the potential to be huge, expensive to create, > and it has to be kept somwhere. It could turn into another > .nfsxxx problem. The mapping tables could be limited in size by only including open files. If you don't find something in the mapping table, you can remap by name. It has to be kept somewhere but you have a file system in which you can keep things (and if the fs is read-only you aren't going to be renaming things and won't need the table). The problem has to be solved somehow and I don't think it can be solved depending only on mapping by file name, as long as you allow, as UNIX systems do, renaming an open file. > Still hoping we can come up with a migration/replication > protocol that's popular independently of NFSv4. Migration is a generally useful thing, but it is particularly useful when combined with transparent access to the migrated data. That's the nice thing that NFSv4 gives you and any migration protocol should not interfere with that. 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INVAL generally indicates that the client did > something wrong. I believe that if the name does not obey > the rules of UTF-8, we return INVAL. And I suppose this > is also true if the name is of length zero (there is > no NFS4ERR_NAMETOOSHORT :-) Yes, as the protocol explicitly specifies that zero-length filenames are invalid, the client has indeed done something wrong in this case. > It seems that these situations are different. You have a > name which is valid from the protocol point of view but the > server chooses not to support it for whatever reason. How > about: > > NFS4ERR_BADNAMECHAR if the name contains a character not > supported by the server. > > NFS4ERR_BADNAMESTRING if the name is not supported by the > server for any other reasons. > > Two errors might help a client recover more intelligently > (through an escaping mechanism) if he doesn't want to just > reflect the error to the user. That's minor though. The > big thing is that I can imagine wasting a lot of time > trying to debug an NFS4ERR_INVAL situation, when we really > have a server's decision about what to support, or conversely, Good point. I like the idea with NFS4ERR_INVAL meaning "the client has done something wrong". Separate error(s) indicating that the server does not support this & that would be nice. Btw, I think the description of NFS4ERR_NOTSUPP is a bit vague. My interpretation is that the server does not support the operation at all, not with any arguments. Is this the correct interpretation? Another interpretation could be that the server does not support a specific operation with the current arguments. But maybe it's to late to change this policy now? There are probably many other cases where NFS4ERR_INVAL is returned, meaning "unsupported arguments". SETATTR(strange time field) is one example. > > > :-) The same goes for names with "/" and "\". Which error code should > > > servers return on, for example, CREATE with such strange filename? > > > NFS4ERR_INVAL? > > > > NFS4ERR_INVAL is the appropriate error. Is NFS4ERR_INVAL also the correct error when an invalid filename is used in a lookup operation, as the source of a RENAME etc? For example, lets assume that the server normally forbids "/" in filenames, but somehow someone has managed to create a file called "foo/bar". It will show up in READDIR results. But should RENAME and REMOVE accept this filename? If they shouldn't, people will be frustrated because they have files they cannot remove. If they should, should this policy apply to OPEN as well? Maybe server implementation will be difficult, in this case? 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To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. ================================================= PERSONAL AFFIRMATION: LET ME SAY HERE, THAT THE INFORMATION IN THE FIRST TWO REPORTS ALONE ARE WORTH THE TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS. ================================================== There are 2 primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD #1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailings receive only a 0.2% (2/10 of 1%) response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%). Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of e-mails instead of only 5,000 each. 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GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY! ================================================== REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting, with thousands more coming on line every day. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! ***************************************************** METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD #2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. ===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== The reason for the "cash" is not because this is illegal or somehow "wrong". It is simply about time and simplicity. Time for checks or credit cards to be cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope and steal it before it gets to you. ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. ================================================ SO PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : REPORT# 1: 'The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net' Order Report #1 from: Joan Petersen P O Box 54423 Phoenix, AZ 85078 USA ______________________________________________ REPORT # 2: 'The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk Email On The Net ' Order Report # 2 from: Eddie Reece 15 County Road 1151 Booneville, Mississippi 38829 USA _______________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: 'Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net' Order Report # 3 from: Wei Huan Chen P O Box 6023 Irvine, CA 92616 USA ______________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: 'How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM & The Net' Order Report # 4 from: Reshma Nair P O Box 25467 Dubai United Arab Emirates _______________________________________________________ REPORT #5: 'How To Send Out One Million Emails For Free' Order Report # 5 From: Scott Katip 3110 5th Ave Beaver Falls, Pa 15010 USA _____________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. **Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ================================================= FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! =============MORE TESTIMONIALS=============== "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving 'junk mail'. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I 'knew' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old 'I told you so' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received a total of $ 147,200.00 ........ all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her "hobby". Mitchell Wolf, Chicago, Illinois ================================================ "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big". Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ================================================= "I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks". Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ================================================= "It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made, $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, thanks to the internet". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C. ================================================= This message is sent in compliance of the proposed bill Section 301, paragraph (a) (2) (C) of S.1618. 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END! - follow what it says to the letter - and you
will not worry whether a RECESSION is coming or
not, who is President,or whether you keep your
current job or not . Yes, I know what you are
thinking. I never responded to one of these before
either. One day

though, something just said "you throw away $25.00
going to a movie for 2 hours with your wife".
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believe "those feelings" come from, I thank
goodness every day that I had that feeling. I
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of it. It is legal. I checked. Simply because you
are buying and selling something of value.

AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV:

Making over half a million dollars every 4 to 5
months from your home.

THANKS TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET !
==================================================
BE AN INTERNET MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A
YEAR!!!

Before you say ''Bull'', please read the
following. This is the letter you have been
hearing about on the news lately. Due to the
popularity of this letter on the Internet, a
national weekly news program recently devoted an
entire show to the investigation of this program
described below, to see if it really can make
people money. The show also investigated whether
or not the program was legal.

Their findings proved once and for all that there
are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the
participation in the program and if people can
"follow the simple instruction" they are bound to
make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket
cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY &
RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY
WORKING BETTER THAN EVER.

This is what one had to say: '' Thanks to this
profitable opportunity". I was approached many
times before but each time I passed on it. I am so
glad I finally joined just to see what one could
expect in return for the minimal effort and money
required. To my astonishment, I received a total $
610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming
in''. Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey.
==================================================
Another said: "this program has been around for a
long time but I never believed in it. But one day
when I received this again in the mail I decided
to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple
instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the
money started to come in. First month I only made
$240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a
total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months
by re-entering the program, I have made over
$710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to
success in this program is to follow the simple
steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials
later but first, =======

==== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If you would like to make at least $500,000 every
4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read
the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN !!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR
FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED!

INSTRUCTIONS:

===Order all 5 reports shown on the list below===

For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER
OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL
ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT
LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN
ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in
case of any mail problems.

===WHEN YOU PLACE YOUR ORDER, MAKE SURE === ===YOU
ORDER EACH OF THE 5 REPORTS! === You will need all
5 reports so that you can save them on your
computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5 =
$25.00.

Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail,
each of the 5 reports from these 5 different
individuals. Save them on your computer so they
will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's
of people who will order them from you. Also make
a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk
in case something happens to your computer.

IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people
who are listed next to each report, or their
sequence on the list, in any way other than what
is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or
you will loose out on the majority of your
profits. Once you understand the way this works,
you will also see how it does not work if you
change it. Remember, this method has been tested,
and if you alter it, it will NOT work !!! People
have tried to put their friends/relatives names on
all five thinking they could get all the money.
But it does not work this way. Believe us, some
have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened.
So Do Not try to change anything other than what
is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work
for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!!
This IS a legitimate BUSINESS. You are offering a
product for sale and getting paid for it. Treat it
as such and you will be VERY profitable in a short
period of time.

1.. After you have ordered all 5 reports, take
this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address
of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made
it through the cycle and is no doubt counting
their fortune.

2..Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO
REPORT # 5.

3.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO
REPORT # 4.

4.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO
REPORT # 3.

5.. Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO
REPORT # 2

6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1
Position.

PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address
ACCURATELY! This is critical to YOUR success.

==================================================
**** Take this entire letter, with the modified
list of names, and save it on your computer. DO
NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES.

Save this on a disk as well just in case if you
loose any data. To assist you with marketing your
business on the internet, the 5 reports you
purchase will provide you with invaluable
marketing information which includes how to send
bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of
free classified ads and much more. There are 2
Primary methods to get this venture going:

METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY
==================================================

Let's say that you decide to start small, just to
see how it goes, and we will assume You and those
involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's
also assume that the mailing receives only a 0.2%
(2/10 of 1%) response (the response could be much
better but let's just say it is only 0.2%). Also
many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-
mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with
this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails.

With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for
report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending
out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out
of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with
orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered
Report # 2.

Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a
total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to
that is 1000 orders for Report # 3.

Those 1000 people send 5,000 e-mail each for a
total of 5 million e-mail sent out. The 0.2%
response is 10,000 orders for Report # 4.

Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each
for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails.
The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for
Report # 5.

THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH = $500,000.00
(half a million dollars).

Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 +
2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4..... $50,000 +
5.... $500,000 .... Grand Total=$555,550.00

NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND
FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO
MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A
LOT OF MONEY!
==================================================

REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE
ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think
for a moment what would happen if everyone or half
or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000 e-
mails each or more? There are over 150 million
people on the Internet worldwide and counting,
with thousands more coming on line every day.
Believe me, many people will do just that, and
more!

METHOD # 2: BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET
==================================================

Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive
and there are hundreds of FREE places to
advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the
Internet will easily get a larger response. We
strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add
METHOD #2 as you go along. For every $5 you
receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report
they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day
service on all orders.

This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out,
with your name and address on it, will be prompt
because they can not advertise until they receive
the report.

===========AVAILABLE REPORTS ====================
The reason for the "cash" is not because this is
illegal or somehow "wrong". It is simply about
time. Time for checks or credit cards to be
cleared or approved, etc. Concealing it is simply
so no one can SEE there is money in the envelope
and steal it before it gets to you.

ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY.
Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for
each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the
cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2
sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper,
Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are
ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and
postal address.

PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW :
==================================================
REPORT# 1: 'The Insider's Guide To Advertising for
Free On The Net

Order Report #1 from:
J. Pfetzing 2103
Cherrycove Maryland Hgts., MO. 63043
USA
__________________________________________________

REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk
Email On The Net

Order Report # 2 from:

Enchia Resources
590 Centerville Rd. #299
Lancaster , PA. 17538 USA

__________________________________________________

REPORT # 3: Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The
Net

Order Report # 3 from :

Len Rickert
P. O. Box 1040 Nerang Qld 4211
Australia
__________________________________________________

REPORT # 4: How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM
& The Net

Order Report # 4 from:

Peter Mueles
14464 Woodbridge Lane
Savage, MN. 55378
USA
__________________________________________________

REPORT #5: How To Send Out One Million E-mails For
Free

Order Report # 5 From:

R. Elroy
5995 Airport Road
PO Box 500
Boulder Junction, WI. 54512-0500
USA

__________________________________________________
$$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$

Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:

=== If you do not receive at least 10 orders for
Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails
until you do.

=== After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3
weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or
more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue
advertising or sending e-mails until you do.

**Once you have received 100 or more orders for
Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is
already working for you, and the cash will
continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO
REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on
the list, you are placed in front of a Different
report.

You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching
which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU
WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF
E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There
is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from
this business !!!

=================================================

FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS
PROGRAM: You have just received information that
can give you financial freedom for the rest of
your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF
EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few
weeks and months than you have ever imagined.
Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not
change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as
it is now.

Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report
after you have put your name and address in Report
#1 and moved others to #2 .....# 5 as instructed
above. One of the people you send this to may send
out 100,000 ormore e-mails and your name will be
on every one of them. Remember though, the more
you send out the more potential customers you will
reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas,
information, materials, and opportunity to become
financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW !

=============MORE TESTIMONIALS===============

'' My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in
Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S.
Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I
received this program I grumbled to Jody about
receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole
thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and
percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work.
Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and
a few days later she jumped in with both feet. I
made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay
the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing
didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3
weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the
next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00
........ all cash! I was shocked. I have joined
Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D.,
Chicago, Illinois

================================================

'' Not being the gambling type, it took me several
weeks to make up my '' Not being the gambling
type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind
to participate in this plan. But conservative as I
am, I decided that the initial investment was so
little that there was just no way that I wouldn't
get enough orders to at least get my money back''.
'' I was surprised when I found my medium size
post office box crammed with orders. I made
$319,210.00 in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing
about this deal is that it does not matter where
people live. There simply isn't a better
investment with a faster return and so big''. Dan
Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada

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This message is not intended for residents in the State of Washington, screening of addresses has been done to the best of our technical ability. ============================================== [3518Dxph2-57@11] From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 15 11:36:32 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01675 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11600; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:35:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id IAA08297; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0FGYr2Q002814 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.sun.com (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id IAA07188 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from a88.lambo.student.liu.se (a88.lambo.student.liu.se [130.236.229.88]) by venus.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21771 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:34:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 500) id 75C4034CBF; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:34:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA3CCF40; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:34:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:34:56 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peter_=C5strand?= X-X-Sender: To: "Noveck, Dave" Cc: Spencer Shepler , Subject: RE: Strange file names In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT I've implemented tests in my test suites regarding strange characters in file names. Currently, most test cases tests handling of "." and "..". I'm still not sure I've understood the policy of strange file names correctly, but I have used the following assumptions: * NFS4 does not restrict any file name characters or file names. This means it's ok for a server to allow creation of files named "." and "..". * NFS4 servers can make arbitrary restrictions and return NFS4ERR_INVAL to indicate it did not allow a certain character or file name. This means it's ok for a server to reject arbitrary names, like "UglyServer", or all names not matching "*.*" (enforcing names with a dot). * Different operations can have different policies regarding allowed file names. It's legal for a server to accept CREATE("foo\bar") and reject LINK("foo\bar"). * Different arguments can have different file name policies. It's legal for a server to accept RENAME operations with "\" in "oldname", but reject calls with "\" in "newname". * READDIR results from a server may contain file names not allowed by some or all other operations dealing with pathname4. This means that servers can present files that are impossible to remove. On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Peter Åstrand wrote: > > I agree except that I would prefer another error in these > > situations. INVAL generally indicates that the client did > > something wrong. I believe that if the name does not obey > > the rules of UTF-8, we return INVAL. And I suppose this > > is also true if the name is of length zero (there is > > no NFS4ERR_NAMETOOSHORT :-) > > Yes, as the protocol explicitly specifies that zero-length filenames are > invalid, the client has indeed done something wrong in this case. > > > It seems that these situations are different. You have a > > name which is valid from the protocol point of view but the > > server chooses not to support it for whatever reason. How > > about: > > > > NFS4ERR_BADNAMECHAR if the name contains a character not > > supported by the server. > > > > NFS4ERR_BADNAMESTRING if the name is not supported by the > > server for any other reasons. > > > > Two errors might help a client recover more intelligently > > (through an escaping mechanism) if he doesn't want to just > > reflect the error to the user. That's minor though. The > > big thing is that I can imagine wasting a lot of time > > trying to debug an NFS4ERR_INVAL situation, when we really > > have a server's decision about what to support, or conversely, > > Good point. I like the idea with NFS4ERR_INVAL meaning "the client has > done something wrong". Separate error(s) indicating that the server does > not support this & that would be nice. > > Btw, I think the description of NFS4ERR_NOTSUPP is a bit vague. My > interpretation is that the server does not support the operation at all, > not with any arguments. Is this the correct interpretation? Another > interpretation could be that the server does not support a specific > operation with the current arguments. > > But maybe it's to late to change this policy now? There are probably many > other cases where NFS4ERR_INVAL is returned, meaning "unsupported > arguments". SETATTR(strange time field) is one example. > > > > > :-) The same goes for names with "/" and "\". Which error code should > > > > servers return on, for example, CREATE with such strange filename? > > > > NFS4ERR_INVAL? > > > > > > NFS4ERR_INVAL is the appropriate error. > > Is NFS4ERR_INVAL also the correct error when an invalid filename is used > in a lookup operation, as the source of a RENAME etc? > > For example, lets assume that the server normally forbids "/" in > filenames, but somehow someone has managed to create a file called > "foo/bar". It will show up in READDIR results. But should RENAME and > REMOVE accept this filename? > > If they shouldn't, people will be frustrated because they have files they > cannot remove. > > If they should, should this policy apply to OPEN as well? Maybe server > implementation will be difficult, in this case? I'm thinking about, for > example, OPEN with OPEN4_CREATE+UNCHECKED. > > > -- Peter Åstrand Telephone: +46-13-21 46 00 Cendio Systems E-mail: peter@cendio.se Teknikringen 3 583 30 Linköping Sweden From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 15 12:27:22 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06157 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29022; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id JAA28735; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0FHQL2Q003130 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.36]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id JAA19182 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23495 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:26:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id g0FHQQ319208; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id g0FHQPPX025888; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:24 -0800 Message-ID: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BD5@red.nane.netapp.com> From: "Noveck, Dave" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=27Peter_=C5strand=27?= , "Noveck, Dave" Cc: Spencer Shepler , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: RE: Strange file names Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:26:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id MAA06157 Peter Åstrand wrote: > I've implemented tests in my test suites regarding strange characters in > file names. Currently, most test cases tests handling of "." and "..". I'm > still not sure I've understood the policy of strange file names correctly, > but I have used the following assumptions: > * NFS4 does not restrict any file name characters or file names. This > means it's ok for a server to allow creation of files named "." and > "..". I think this is reasonable. > * NFS4 servers can make arbitrary restrictions and return > NFS4ERR_INVAL to indicate it did not allow a certain character or > file name. This means it's ok for a server to reject arbitrary > names, like "UglyServer", or all names not matching "*.*" (enforcing > names with a dot). I think we are stuck with this because it is just too hard to define what the set of reasonable restrictions might be. So we leave this as a quality of implementation issue and clients can just decide not to use servers that indulge in arbitrary restrictions. Given that, I think returning INVAL for this is utter folly. How do you debug if any operation that has a name in it may return INVAL? When you get INVAL, it means that the server objected to one of the names in it or there is something else wrong with the operation. Why make it difficult for ourselves? Let's define things so that when we get INVAL we can look for something invalid and when we get NFS4ERR_TheServerChoosesToConsiderYourNameInvalid we can address that. > * Different operations can have different policies regarding allowed > file names. It's legal for a server to accept CREATE("foo\bar") and > reject LINK("foo\bar"). Unless there's a real good reason for this, I would say "No.", or perhaps "Over my dead body." > * Different arguments can have different file name policies. It's > legal for a server to accept RENAME operations with "\" in > "oldname", but reject calls with "\" in "newname". Yes to that specific example but ... I think the distinction is between use of name that is supposed to be already existing and one where a name entry is to be created. For the former, I would say that we should not allow an error indicating a bad name (INVAL if we foolishly go down that path). When you do a LOOKUP or OPEN or RENAME specifying a source name, the proper error for a case where the file with that name doesn't exist is ENOENT, whether a file with that name could be created or not. Returning a BADNAME indication for the source name just adds gratuitous complexity. So I think a server could reject creation (over NFS-v4) of names with embedded slash but allow you to reference files that were created with such names. > * READDIR results from a server may contain file names not allowed by > some or all other operations dealing with pathname4. This means > that servers can present files that are impossible to remove. There's lots of reasons that files might exist where the client may not remove them; For example, they maybe open and the server doesn't allow remove of open files, they be on a read-only medium, permissions may not allow it. The client just has to live with that. However, I would say that if a server returns a name in the READDIR response, it's a reasonable expectation that he is able to do a LOOKUP of that name and that giving him ENOENT, unless the file was just removed by somebody else, would be totally bogus. Giving him a BADNAME indication (including INVAL) when you just gave him that name in a READDIR response would be reaching for transcendent bogosity. From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 15 13:40:33 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08813 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16210; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:38:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id KAA18197; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0FIcB2Q003187 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.sun.com (venus.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.5]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id KAA16302 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from a88.lambo.student.liu.se (a88.lambo.student.liu.se [130.236.229.88]) by venus.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23857 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 500) id 23A0B34CBF; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:38:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by a88.lambo.student.liu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A306CF40; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:38:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 19:38:16 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Peter_=C5strand?= X-X-Sender: To: "Noveck, Dave" Cc: Spencer Shepler , Subject: RE: Strange file names In-Reply-To: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BD5@red.nane.netapp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > > * NFS4 servers can make arbitrary restrictions and return > > NFS4ERR_INVAL to indicate it did not allow a certain character or > > file name. This means it's ok for a server to reject arbitrary > > names, like "UglyServer", or all names not matching "*.*" (enforcing > > names with a dot). > > I think we are stuck with this because it is just too hard to define > what the set of reasonable restrictions might be. So we leave this > as a quality of implementation issue and clients can just decide > not to use servers that indulge in arbitrary restrictions. Agree. > Given that, I think returning INVAL for this is utter folly. How do > you debug if any operation that has a name in it may return INVAL? When > you get INVAL, it means that the server objected to one of the names > in it or there is something else wrong with the operation. Why make > it difficult for ourselves? Let's define things so that when we get > INVAL we can look for something invalid and when we get > NFS4ERR_TheServerChoosesToConsiderYourNameInvalid we can address that. Agree. I can confirm that it's very difficult to write test cases when you must prepare for INVAL on almost every error, and yet you cannot record this INVAL response as an server fault. > > * Different operations can have different policies regarding allowed > > file names. It's legal for a server to accept CREATE("foo\bar") and > > reject LINK("foo\bar"). > > Unless there's a real good reason for this, I would say "No.", or > perhaps "Over my dead body." :-) I support you on this one too. The servers policy for names should apply to all operations and all arguments. > > * Different arguments can have different file name policies. It's > > legal for a server to accept RENAME operations with "\" in > > "oldname", but reject calls with "\" in "newname". > > Yes to that specific example but ... > > I think the distinction is between use of name that is supposed > to be already existing and one where a name entry is to be created. >... >... Also good points. I agree with the rest of your mail. In any case, I think these issues are important and should be documented in the protocol specification. Other opinions? Spencer? -- Peter Åstrand Telephone: +46-13-21 46 00 Cendio Systems E-mail: peter@cendio.se Teknikringen 3 583 30 Linköping Sweden From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 15 13:40:52 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08830 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03804; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id KAA18474; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com (jurassic [129.146.89.50] (may be forged)) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0FIcn2Q003190 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from peyto (vpn-129-147-152-87.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.152.87]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with SMTP id g0FIctqT276986; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:38:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:38:55 -0700 (MST) From: Robert Thurlow Reply-To: Robert Thurlow Subject: Replication/Migration - call for participation To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi folks, At the NFSv4 working group meeting at the 52nd IETF in December, we talked about finding some people with an interest in the replication and migration work that is to be added to the WG charter. While I don't want to have a separate e-mail alias for this work, it may be useful to have a 'core' group of folks which get together every so often for conference calls in the early phases; we would of course post minutes of such meetings on this alias. So, I'd like to ask the people interested in being part of this core group to let me know that. The first thing we need to get to work on is the requirements for replication and migration. Thanks, Rob Thurlow Email: robert.thurlow@sun.com Phone: 1-877-718-3419 From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Tue Jan 15 14:37:26 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA10896 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.13]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02997; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id LAA17024; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from centralmail2.Central.Sun.COM (centralmail2.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.11]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0FJaH2Q003328 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.186]) by centralmail2.Central.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id MAA21888 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 12:36:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.0+Sun/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g0FJaMtM100463 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:36:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (from shepler@localhost) by dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.0+Sun/8.12.0/Submit) id g0FJaMZC100462 for nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:36:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:36:22 -0600 From: Spencer Shepler To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: Strange file names Message-ID: <20020115133622.D100395@dhcp-aus08-186.sun.com> Reply-To: shepler@eng.sun.com Mail-Followup-To: Spencer Shepler , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com References: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8BD5@red.nane.netapp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i On Tue, Peter ?strand wrote: > > > * NFS4 servers can make arbitrary restrictions and return > > > NFS4ERR_INVAL to indicate it did not allow a certain character or > > > file name. This means it's ok for a server to reject arbitrary > > > names, like "UglyServer", or all names not matching "*.*" (enforcing > > > names with a dot). > > > > I think we are stuck with this because it is just too hard to define > > what the set of reasonable restrictions might be. So we leave this > > as a quality of implementation issue and clients can just decide > > not to use servers that indulge in arbitrary restrictions. > > Agree. Also agree. > > Given that, I think returning INVAL for this is utter folly. How do > > you debug if any operation that has a name in it may return INVAL? When > > you get INVAL, it means that the server objected to one of the names > > in it or there is something else wrong with the operation. Why make > > it difficult for ourselves? Let's define things so that when we get > > INVAL we can look for something invalid and when we get > > NFS4ERR_TheServerChoosesToConsiderYourNameInvalid we can address that. > > Agree. I can confirm that it's very difficult to write test cases when you > must prepare for INVAL on almost every error, and yet you cannot record > this INVAL response as an server fault. Agreed. I have placed an item on my todo list to add another error value for the "invalid name" case. > > > * Different operations can have different policies regarding allowed > > > file names. It's legal for a server to accept CREATE("foo\bar") and > > > reject LINK("foo\bar"). > > > > Unless there's a real good reason for this, I would say "No.", or > > perhaps "Over my dead body." > > :-) I support you on this one too. The servers policy for names should > apply to all operations and all arguments. I also agree with Dave. There doesn't appear to be a good reason that a server would need this type of restrictive behavior. > > > * Different arguments can have different file name policies. It's > > > legal for a server to accept RENAME operations with "\" in > > > "oldname", but reject calls with "\" in "newname". > > > > Yes to that specific example but ... > > > > I think the distinction is between use of name that is supposed > > to be already existing and one where a name entry is to be created. > >... > >... > > Also good points. I agree with the rest of your mail. As do I. > In any case, I think these issues are important and should be documented > in the protocol specification. Agreed. > Other opinions? Spencer? 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Is someone working on expanding the Connectathon tests to verify the new protocol features of NFS v4 not found in previous NFS versions? If not, are there other test suites available or planned that verify this functionality? TIA, --- Bruce Allan Software Engineer, Linux Technology Center IBM Corporation, Beaverton OR 503-578-4187 IBM Tie-line 775-4187 From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jan 17 20:26:28 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA16922 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08671; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id RAA26944; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from centralmail1.Central.Sun.COM (centralmail1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.10]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0I1KC2Q008151 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 17:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.186]) by centralmail1.Central.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id SAA05818 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:20:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.0+Sun/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g0I1KJCC100640 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:20:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from shepler@localhost) by dhcp-aus08-186.Central.Sun.COM (8.12.0+Sun/8.12.0/Submit) id g0I1KIDa100639 for nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:20:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:20:18 -0600 From: Spencer Shepler To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: Re: Connectathon tests for NFSv4 Message-ID: <20020117192018.A100634@dhcp-aus08-186.sun.com> Reply-To: shepler@eng.sun.com Mail-Followup-To: Spencer Shepler , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i On Thu, Bruce Allan wrote: > > Sorry if this has already been discussed, I'm relatively new to the list. > > Is someone working on expanding the Connectathon tests to verify the new > protocol features of NFS v4 not found in previous NFS versions? If not, > are there other test suites available or planned that verify this > functionality? At this point, there are no plans to expand the connectathon tests. There are two efforts to development a test framework to drive the testing of an NFSv4 server. The most advanced at this point is the work by Peter . Additional info on his work is at: http://www.cendio.se/~peter/pynfs A similar project is at http://nfsv4shell.sourceforge.net. 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From: "Kendrick M. Smith" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: initial delegation experience Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I have recently finished implementing delegation for the Linux client and server, and have a few implementation issues to report: 1. Suppose that client A has a delegation on a file, and the server receives a REMOVE, RENAME, or SETATTR request from client B on the same file. If A != B, the server must recall the delegation. If A == B, it would be nice if the server could handle the request without recalling the delegation. As the protocol stands, this is impossible: the server has no way of knowing if the request really came from client A, or if it came from a different client tunelling through the same NAT box as A. One solution to this problem would be to add a clientid to REMOVE, RENAME, and SETATTR (note that truncating SETATTR's contain a stateid, so the clientid can be inferred, but non-truncating SETATTR's do not). 2. The CLAIM_DELEGATE_CUR branch of OPEN calls for open-by-name rather than open-by-filehandle. In the Linux implementation, open-by-filehandle would be considerably more convenient. With open-by-name in the protocol, we have to save the containing directory's filehandle, and the file's name, side-by-side with the delegation. The reason why we cannot save them in the usual places in the VFS is a long, complicated story having to do with race conditions against umount(). I suspect that other Unices may have the same problem. (I can describe the "long, complicated story" in detail if anyone is interested in the gory details.) Also, it seems to me that open-by-filehandle would make more sense than open-by-name for the CLAIM_DELEGATE_CUR branch of OPEN. For one thing, servers have to support open-by-filehandle for the CLAIM_PREVIOUS branch anyway, so the implementation burden for servers is not any higher. For another, the client is trying to open a specific file for which it already holds a delegation (no other file will do; it has to be the file corresponding to the delegation). Why not just use the fh of that file, rather than the fh of the containing directory along with the filename, effectively asking the server to do a LOOKUP? It seems simpler, less error-prone, and more efficient. Is there some reason that I'm missing for using open-by-name in the CLAIM_DELEGATE_CUR branch of OPEN? 3. This last one isn't really an implementation issue, more of a question. One central requirement of the NFSv4 protocol design process has been the requirement that a LOCK/LOCKU operation change the file's stateid, so that replayed WRITE's are "locked out" and return ERR_OLD_STATEID. In this way, LOCK/LOCKU acts as a serialization point for WRITE requests. In fact, most of the complexity of the NFSv4 state model can be attributed to this requirement, including the recent .x changes. The plot thickens, however, with sec. 9.4.2 of RFC 3010 in the picture. According to this section, a client which holds a delegation is supposed to perform its locking operations locally. If such a client performs interleaved locking and WRITE operations, the locking operations will be performed locally but the WRITEs will eventually be flushed to the server. From the server's point of view, the client is only sending WRITE's, with no LOCK/LOCKU's to update the stateid. The serialization properties of LOCK/LOCKU are lost when a delegation is held. So, my question is, should the client really do as sec. 9.4.2 advocates, and perform its locking operations locally? In other words, which is more valuable: (a) The potential performance advantages of performing locking operations locally whenever a delegation is held (b) The design requirement that LOCK/LOCKU act as a serialization point for WRITE requests? Aside from these relatively minor issues, the Linux implementation of delegation was quite successful. In certain situations, delegations drastically reduced the amount of traffic. For example, one test that I used during development is repeated execution of a shell script, after it has already been read into the page cache. In NFSv2/v3, this results in a stream of GETATTR requests as the client revalidates the cache in close-to-open fashion. In NFSv4, with delegations enabled, there is no traffic whatsoever! 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Click Herem ------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jan 31 09:35:35 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA27770 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.170.5]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17327; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:35:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail3.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id GAA10610; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 06:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail1 [129.146.1.13]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0VD4L2Q017595 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:14:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.34]) by engmail1.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id EAA29047 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 04:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.92.141]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11512 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 05:54:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from citi.umich.edu (unknown [141.211.169.14]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F20207C6 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:53:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: initial delegation experience To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com From: Jim Rees In-Reply-To: "Kendrick M. Smith", Thu, 31 Jan 2002 01:06:05 EST Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 07:53:57 -0500 Sender: rees@citi.umich.edu Message-Id: <20020131125358.75F20207C6@citi.umich.edu> 1. Suppose that client A has a delegation on a file, and the server receives a REMOVE, RENAME, or SETATTR request from client B on the same file. If A != B, the server must recall the delegation. If A == B, it would be nice if the server could handle the request without recalling the delegation. As the protocol stands, this is impossible: the server has no way of knowing if the request really came from client A, or if it came from a different client tunelling through the same NAT box as A. One solution to this problem would be to add a clientid to REMOVE, RENAME, and SETATTR (note that truncating SETATTR's contain a stateid, so the clientid can be inferred, but non-truncating SETATTR's do not). This is not a problem, as nfsv4 (or at least delegations) doesn't work thru NAT. Brent proposed adding this to the issues list in October but it doesn't seem to have been added. Has this been resolved? From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jan 31 11:38:43 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02588 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04122; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:38:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id IAA22905; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phys-hanwk16-1.ebay.sun.com (root@phys-hanwk16-1.EBay.Sun.COM [129.149.1.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0VGbO2Q019026 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:37:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from jetsun (jetsun.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.60]) by phys-hanwk16-1.ebay.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id g0VGZba27824; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:35:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201311635.g0VGZba27824@phys-hanwk16-1.ebay.sun.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:35:37 -0600 (CST) From: David Robinson Reply-To: David Robinson Subject: Re: initial delegation experience To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com, kmsmith@umich.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 5gFyBhvFTaetQnFkSD3WlQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5_53 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc > 1. Suppose that client A has a delegation on a file, and the server > receives a REMOVE, RENAME, or SETATTR request from client B on the same > file. If A != B, the server must recall the delegation. If A == B, it > would be nice if the server could handle the request without recalling > the delegation. As the protocol stands, this is impossible: the server > has no way of knowing if the request really came from client A, or if > it came from a different client tunelling through the same NAT box as A. > One solution to this problem would be to add a clientid to REMOVE, RENAME, > and SETATTR (note that truncating SETATTR's contain a stateid, so the > clientid can be inferred, but non-truncating SETATTR's do not). I see this as the client getting what it asked for. The semantics are clear on when the delegation is recalled by the server, if the client decides to issue a request back through to the server that will cause a recall then it gets what it asked for. A smart client that has the delegation will delay the request until either the server recalls the delegation or the client is willing to give it up. It means the client needs to maintain more state about operations that need to be completed and of course makes interesting recovery issues, but then all of delegation has that property. > 3. This last one isn't really an implementation issue, more of a > question. One central requirement of the NFSv4 protocol design process has > been the requirement that a LOCK/LOCKU operation change the file's > stateid, so that replayed WRITE's are "locked out" and return > ERR_OLD_STATEID. In this way, LOCK/LOCKU acts as a serialization point > for WRITE requests. In fact, most of the complexity of the NFSv4 state > model can be attributed to this requirement, including the recent .x > changes. > > The plot thickens, however, with sec. 9.4.2 of RFC 3010 in the picture. > According to this section, a client which holds a delegation is supposed > to perform its locking operations locally. If such a client performs > interleaved locking and WRITE operations, the locking operations will > be performed locally but the WRITEs will eventually be flushed to the > server. From the server's point of view, the client is only sending > WRITE's, with no LOCK/LOCKU's to update the stateid. The serialization > properties of LOCK/LOCKU are lost when a delegation is held. > > So, my question is, should the client really do as sec. 9.4.2 advocates, > and perform its locking operations locally? In other words, which is > more valuable: > (a) The potential performance advantages of performing locking > operations locally whenever a delegation is held > (b) The design requirement that LOCK/LOCKU act as a serialization point > for WRITE requests? But there is serialization, it is just now occuring at the granularity of the delegation and not the LOCK/LOCKU. Serialization is important for two reasons, creating consistent state between two clients and protection against replays corrupting state. With a delegation the former can't occur because any other client attempting an operation will cause the delegation to be removed. If that occurs the client will flush the pending writes as well as the current lock state. From the server's perspective it just sees the consolidated set of requests. Locally the client provides synchronization within its buffers and the lock requests to replays are not an issue. I have not checked the latest draft, but the only implication here is that the stateid MUST change when a delegation is given or recalled in order as the delegation is the course grained synchronization. This is needed no only to handled the case where the client has performed locking but to also keep a replay from causing a recall or invalidating the clients cached data. -David From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jan 31 12:48:17 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05200 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.144.134.6]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07729; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id JAA04608; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail4 [129.144.134.6]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0VHO52Q019332 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.5.43]) by engmail4.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id JAA04583 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10655 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:24:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id g0VHOH322577; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id g0VHOGB8006850; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc06.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:16:04 -0800 Message-ID: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8C2C@red.nane.netapp.com> From: "Noveck, Dave" To: "'David Robinson'" , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com, kmsmith@umich.edu Subject: RE: initial delegation experience Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:23:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" David Robinson wrote: [ > Kendrick Smith wrote:] > > 1. Suppose that client A has a delegation on a file, and the server > > receives a REMOVE, RENAME, or SETATTR request from client B on the same > > file. If A != B, the server must recall the delegation. If A == B, it > > would be nice if the server could handle the request without recalling > > the delegation. As the protocol stands, this is impossible: the server > > has no way of knowing if the request really came from client A, or if > > it came from a different client tunelling through the same NAT box as A. > > One solution to this problem would be to add a clientid to REMOVE, RENAME, > > and SETATTR (note that truncating SETATTR's contain a stateid, so the > > clientid can be inferred, but non-truncating SETATTR's do not). > I see this as the client getting what it asked for. The semantics > are clear on when the delegation is recalled by the server, if > the client decides to issue a request back through to the server > that will cause a recall then it gets what it asked for. True. However, ... > A smart > client that has the delegation will delay the request until either > the server recalls the delegation or the client is willing to > give it up. In the case of RENAME, for instance, such a client would not be so smart. Suppose I have a delegation on file X and then one of my processes renames it to Y. If I were to hold back the rename and only do it when the delegation were to be recalled, as you suggest, my implementation would not provide the normally expected semantics of rename. First, other clients would not see the the name change in a READDIR for an unbounded time. Also, another client opening Y, would not cause the delegation to be recalled, as it should. Instead, he would get ENOENT. This state of affairs would continue until somebody tried to open X, if that ever happened, or until the client got tired of holding onto its delegation. > It means the client needs to maintain more state > about operations that need to be completed and of course makes > interesting recovery issues, but then all of delegation has that > property. But RENAME is really a directory operation and we don't have directory delegation. (I know some people would like to have it). What Kendrick is really asking for is an extension which would allow the name change to happen (since it is a directory operation) and leave the delegation unchanged. My inclination is to draw a line under what we have and leave extensions (as opposed to fixes and clarifications) for a future minor version. It occurs to me that the information that Kendrick would like to have available to make this decision is present in DAFS, since it is a connection-oriented protocol that has a virtually identical delegation model. It is probably OK in DAFS to do what Kendrick suggests, although the 1.0 spec may not explicitly address the issue. This would be an issue for anyone else out there who is implementing both protocols. Because these two protocols have so much in common, there can be considerable code sharing between the two implementations. However, a case like this points out that you do have to be careful to note the differences. From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jan 31 12:53:14 2002 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA05499 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22575; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id JAA23730; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from phys-hanwk16-1.ebay.sun.com (root@phys-hanwk16-1.EBay.Sun.COM [129.149.1.5]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0VHqE2Q019456 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from jetsun (jetsun.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.60]) by phys-hanwk16-1.ebay.sun.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id g0VHqQa08360; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 09:52:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201311752.g0VHqQa08360@phys-hanwk16-1.ebay.sun.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:52:26 -0600 (CST) From: David Robinson Reply-To: David Robinson Subject: RE: initial delegation experience To: nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com, kmsmith@umich.edu, Dave.Noveck@netapp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: +vVC0rFDGW3cDZWgEkM73w== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5_53 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc > But RENAME is really a directory operation and we don't have > directory delegation. (I know some people would like to have > it). What Kendrick is really asking for is an extension which > would allow the name change to happen (since it is a directory > operation) and leave the delegation unchanged. My inclination > is to draw a line under what we have and leave extensions (as > opposed to fixes and clarifications) for a future minor version. Ah, I see my invalid assumption, I forgot that we do not have directory delegations. Thus a directory operation must go through to the server. I would not be in favor of an effort to hack the protocol to make up for the lack of directory delegations when it would be cleaner to just provide directory delegations. Which in any case is probably better to delay to a future minor version. -David From nfs4-wg-request@sunroof.eng.sun.com Thu Jan 31 13:33:00 2002 Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07165 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 13:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.1.25]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05122; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:32:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from sunroof.eng.sun.com (sunroof.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.168.88]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id KAA08169; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by sunroof.eng.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0VIVc2Q019849 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from saturn.sun.com (saturn.EBay.Sun.COM [129.150.69.2]) by engmail2.Eng.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id KAA08042 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01-a.netapp.com (mx01-a.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by saturn.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25308 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.corp.netapp.com (hawk [10.10.20.101]) by mx01-a.netapp.com (8.11.1/8.11.1/NTAP-1.2) with ESMTP id g0VIVq327274; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hawk.corp.netapp.com (8.12.0/8.12.0/NTAP-1.3) with ESMTP id g0VIVpUC020000; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by ussvlexc01.corp.netapp.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:31:51 -0800 Message-ID: <8C610D86AF6CD4119C9800B0D0499E336A8C2F@red.nane.netapp.com> From: "Noveck, Dave" To: "'Kendrick M. Smith'" , nfsv4-wg@sunroof.eng.sun.com Subject: RE: initial delegation experience Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:31:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I have recently finished implementing delegation for the Linux client and > server, It appears I'm going to be very busy for the next few weeks getting ready to inter-operate. > and have a few implementation issues to report: Three is a lot fewer than I expected :-) > [ 1. Deleted.] > 2. The CLAIM_DELEGATE_CUR branch of OPEN calls for open-by-name rather > than open-by-filehandle. In the Linux implementation, open-by-filehandle > would be considerably more convenient. With open-by-name in the protocol, > we have to save the containing directory's filehandle, and the file's > name, side-by-side with the delegation. The reason why we cannot save > them in the usual places in the VFS is a long, complicated story having to > do with race conditions against umount(). I suspect that other Unices may > have the same problem. (I can describe the "long, complicated story" in > detail if anyone is interested in the gory details.) If nobody wants to hear it on the mail alias, you can explain it over a drink at Connectathon. I'll buy. Everyone at Connectathon with a V4 implementation is invited. > Also, it seems to me that open-by-filehandle would make more sense than > open-by-name for the CLAIM_DELEGATE_CUR branch of OPEN. For one thing, > servers have to support open-by-filehandle for the CLAIM_PREVIOUS branch > anyway, so the implementation burden for servers is not any higher. For > another, the client is trying to open a specific file for which it already > holds a delegation (no other file will do; it has to be the file > corresponding to the delegation). Why not just use the fh of that file, > rather than the fh of the containing directory along with the filename, > effectively asking the server to do a LOOKUP? It seems simpler, less > error-prone, and more efficient. > Is there some reason that I'm missing for using open-by-name in the > CLAIM_DELEGATE_CUR branch of OPEN? I think it was just a mistake. When those cases were defined, I think I just took the standard one and modified it only as much as I had to. I knew CLAIM_PREVIOUS had to be modified to be by-filehandle but I didn't see that CLAIM_DELEGATE_CUR had to be, so I left it being by-name. Sorry. [ 3. Deleted] > Aside from these relatively minor issues, the Linux implementation of > delegation was quite successful. In certain situations, delegations > drastically reduced the amount of traffic. For example, one test that > I used during development is repeated execution of a shell script, after > it has already been read into the page cache. In NFSv2/v3, this results > in a stream of GETATTR requests as the client revalidates the cache in > close-to-open fashion. In NFSv4, with delegations enabled, there is no > traffic whatsoever! (aside from a one-time ACCESS call to warm up the > access cache) Cool!