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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C6FE05.55E8CE90-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 03 00:48:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gfru6-0006qg-Ss; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:47:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gfru6-0006qU-It for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:47:46 -0500 Received: from h-74-0-36-190.snfccasy.covad.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gfru0-0002ME-7e for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:47:44 -0500 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id EF25C8ABACE; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:47:19 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [192.168.4.16] (wideload-eth.tehama.multihop.net [192.168.4.16]) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC7B8AB9A0 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:47:16 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ml-nemo WG From: "T.J. Kniveton" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:47:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Subject: [nemo] Charter proposal.. X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi folks, After the latest discussion on the list, I weighed some of our options, and then we had a pow-wow between the NEMO chairs, and the Area Director. We've come up with a more tightly-constrained charter, with goals that I believe are achievable. http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/charter2_5.txt This charter focuses on route optimization for two scenarios: automotive and aeronautical. Initially, we will gather the requirements into documents, and then work on solutions based on that. The infrastructure-based / distributed home agent type of solution is not spelled out in the charter, because I don't want to bias the type of solution we can use. However, based on the documents I've seen from Will Ivancic, Terry Davis, and their compatriots, that may be a good place to start. We need to refine those documents and their input into a good requirements doc. I will work with those groups to come up with that document. The automotive industry working on NEMO solutions is primarily located in Japan and Europe. They seem to be in the early stages of figuring out how to interact with the IETF, so it may take some extra communication with them to be able to import meaningful requirements data from them. Thierry will work with those groups on that document. As was mentioned on the list, it's not my goal to have to change the charter document very frequently, since it's a long process. However, if we do discover some important deployment scenarios that aren't covered under these concrete examples, we can definitely investigate updating the charter. Thanks for your patience and see you all soon in San Diego. 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ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgJBR-00076b-2g for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 05:55:33 -0500 Message-ID: <097801c6ffff$b64275b0$626015ac@dcml.docomolabsusa.com> From: "James Kempf" To: "ml-nemo WG" , "T.J. Kniveton" References: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> Subject: Re: [nemo] Charter proposal.. Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 02:55:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: f4c2cf0bccc868e4cc88dace71fb3f44 Cc: X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org TJ, Looks pretty good. I'd suggest changing "flying community" to "aviation community". A couple of the goals are listed as May 2006 or November 2006. Since there dates are already passed or will soon, I'd suggest updating the dates appropriately. jak ----- Original Message ----- From: "T.J. Kniveton" To: "ml-nemo WG" Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: [nemo] Charter proposal.. > Hi folks, > > After the latest discussion on the list, I weighed some of our options, > and then we had a pow-wow between the NEMO chairs, and the Area Director. > We've come up with a more tightly-constrained charter, with goals that I > believe are achievable. > > http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/charter2_5.txt > > This charter focuses on route optimization for two scenarios: automotive > and aeronautical. Initially, we will gather the requirements into > documents, and then work on solutions based on that. > > The infrastructure-based / distributed home agent type of solution is not > spelled out in the charter, because I don't want to bias the type of > solution we can use. However, based on the documents I've seen from Will > Ivancic, Terry Davis, and their compatriots, that may be a good place to > start. We need to refine those documents and their input into a good > requirements doc. I will work with those groups to come up with that > document. > > The automotive industry working on NEMO solutions is primarily located in > Japan and Europe. They seem to be in the early stages of figuring out how > to interact with the IETF, so it may take some extra communication with > them to be able to import meaningful requirements data from them. Thierry > will work with those groups on that document. > > As was mentioned on the list, it's not my goal to have to change the > charter document very frequently, since it's a long process. However, if > we do discover some important deployment scenarios that aren't covered > under these concrete examples, we can definitely investigate updating the > charter. > > Thanks for your patience and see you all soon in San Diego. > > TJ > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 04 17:44:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUET-0001wQ-CW; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:43:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUES-0001wL-F3 for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:43:20 -0500 Received: from otm-mgo01.iij.ad.jp ([210.138.20.175]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUEQ-0003pz-Rd for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:43:20 -0500 Received: OTM-MO(otm-mgo01) id kA4MgwTv066420; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:42:58 +0900 (JST) Received: OTM-MIX(otm-mix00) id kA4MgwLX010989; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:42:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from [12.105.247.109] (0127bhost109.starwoodbroadband.com [12.105.247.109]) by rsmtp.iij.ad.jp (OTM-MR/rsmtp) id kA4MgtCW007133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:42:57 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com> <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Keiichi SHIMA Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:42:58 -0800 To: "K.Kawaguchi" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36c793b20164cfe75332aa66ddb21196 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hello, I'm sorry for my very delayed response. On 2006/10/30, at 17:00, K.Kawaguchi wrote: > > We have already gotten some opinions. We hope to obtain the conclusion > at the meeting. We want to examine only the conclusion at the meeting, > because the meeting have not much time. > If you have an additional opinion, please send it to ML before the > meeting. I'm personally fine with the direction that Kawaguchi-san suggested. Our team implemented NEMO BS on top of the BSD operating system. Right now, we only support the basic case (a HoA from a home network) due to our implementation design. So, making it as a basic logo requirement and taking a HoA from MNP as an advanced requirement is OK for us :-). However I have one concern. The Logo program intends to produce many interoperable implementations. But if we have two levels of the logo program (basic and advanced), and everyone can get the basic logo by implementing only some parts of the specification, what does motivate vendors to implement advanced features? So, the question is, how is it important for NEMO deployment that taking a HoA from a mobile network prefix. If it is not very important, then the feature can be in the advanced logo requirement only. But if it is important, we should not have two logo programs. Regards, --- Keiichi SHIMA IIJ Research Laboratory WIDE Project On 2006/10/30, at 17:00, K.Kawaguchi wrote: > Hi all and Vijay-san, > > Thank you for answer. > # I'm sorry the delay. > > To our regret, The IPv6 Logo Committee NEMO staffs cannot > participate in > the next meeting. Instead of participation, I made text for the next > IETF meeting. > > We have already gotten some opinions. We hope to obtain the conclusion > at the meeting. We want to examine only the conclusion at the meeting, > because the meeting have not much time. > If you have an additional opinion, please send it to ML before the > meeting. > > > Best regards > --- > Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI > > > > "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" > "Vijay Devarapalli " wrote: > >> K.Kawaguchi wrote: >> >>>> - HA (Home Agent) >>>> - Router functions defined in "Test Specifications for the IPv6 >>>> Core >>>> Protocols" MUST be supported. >>>> - Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit >>>> mode, >>>> implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network >>>> Prefix, and >>>> >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> home address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic >>>> Function (A1). >>>> >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> ^^^^^^^^ >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> -- >>>> * supplementation) keywords >>>> Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is defined as indispensable >>>> function. >>>> It is always to be tested in >>>> Logo. >>>> Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced >>>> feature. >>>> It is tested by selection in >>>> Logo. >>>> >>>> >>>> RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, >>>> we had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible >>>> by either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one >>>> of methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from >>>> all products. >>>> We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating either >>>> make non-interoperable world. So, mandating one is very reasonable. >>>> We think naturally that home Address be configured from Home Link >>>> Prefix is basic method same as MIPv6. >> >> sounds good to me. >> >> Vijay >> >> >> From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 04 17:44:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUFx-0006MS-08; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:44:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUFv-0006EM-A7 for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:44:51 -0500 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUFs-0004HX-0W for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:44:51 -0500 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D70889865 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:44:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902C589801 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:44:43 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <454D17D9.1090101@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:44:41 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF NEMO WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Subject: [nemo] AD review of draft-ietf-nemo-ro-problem-statement-03.txt X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org I reviewed this specification and I have no major issues with it. It will be moved forward to full IESG review. --Jari From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sat Nov 04 17:44:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUG2-0006ls-RE; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:44:58 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUG1-0006ln-Q2 for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:44:57 -0500 Received: from p130.piuha.net ([193.234.218.130]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgUG0-0004Ja-H2 for nemo@ietf.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:44:57 -0500 Received: from p130.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D423089865 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:44:55 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B19289801 for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:44:52 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <454D17E6.9020401@piuha.net> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:44:54 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF NEMO WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d17f825e43c9aed4fd65b7edddddec89 Subject: [nemo] AD review of draft-ietf-nemo-ro-space-analysis-03.txt X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org I also reviewed this specification and I have no major issues with it. I do not believe it handles all issues associated with the solution space, but we can take those when the real solutions are designed. 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megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggbtd-0007Do-5C for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:54:21 -0500 Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es ([163.117.136.123]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgbtY-0007sp-Hr for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:54:21 -0500 Received: from smtp03.uc3m.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BD320785; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:54:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [163.117.203.231] (unknown [163.117.203.231]) by smtp03.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EA420788; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:54:12 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> References: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <2fff9d43018f16a0232d1739a1b44f83@it.uc3m.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] Charter proposal.. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:54:17 +0100 To: "T.J. Kniveton" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: ml-nemo WG X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi, i agree with the RO part of the charter. just a minor comment... in previous version of the charter was an item about ingress filtering=20= for multihomed nemos. I made a comment about the issue being about=20 fault tolerance in the link between the MR and the HA rather than only=20= ingress filtering. The goal of this comment was to rephrase the item=20 rather than remove it. I think it may be worthy to work on this if=20 other folks are interested... Regards, marcelo El 03/11/2006, a las 6:47, T.J. Kniveton escribi=F3: > Hi folks, > > After the latest discussion on the list, I weighed some of our=20 > options, and then we had a pow-wow between the NEMO chairs, and the=20 > Area Director. We've come up with a more tightly-constrained charter,=20= > with goals that I believe are achievable. > > http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/charter2_5.txt > > This charter focuses on route optimization for two scenarios:=20 > automotive and aeronautical. Initially, we will gather the=20 > requirements into documents, and then work on solutions based on that. > > The infrastructure-based / distributed home agent type of solution is=20= > not spelled out in the charter, because I don't want to bias the type=20= > of solution we can use. However, based on the documents I've seen from=20= > Will Ivancic, Terry Davis, and their compatriots, that may be a good=20= > place to start. We need to refine those documents and their input into=20= > a good requirements doc. I will work with those groups to come up with=20= > that document. > > The automotive industry working on NEMO solutions is primarily located=20= > in Japan and Europe. They seem to be in the early stages of figuring=20= > out how to interact with the IETF, so it may take some extra=20 > communication with them to be able to import meaningful requirements=20= > data from them. Thierry will work with those groups on that document. > > As was mentioned on the list, it's not my goal to have to change the=20= > charter document very frequently, since it's a long process. However,=20= > if we do discover some important deployment scenarios that aren't=20 > covered under these concrete examples, we can definitely investigate=20= > updating the charter. > > Thanks for your patience and see you all soon in San Diego. > > TJ > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 03:07:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggd1R-0005dT-P1; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:06:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggd1Q-0005dM-82 for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:06:28 -0500 Received: from h-74-0-36-190.snfccasy.covad.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ggd1O-0000uf-SC for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:06:28 -0500 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id F2BF18AD139; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:06:25 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Score: -4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [192.168.4.16] (wideload-eth.tehama.multihop.net [192.168.4.16]) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581D88ABAB6; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:06:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2fff9d43018f16a0232d1739a1b44f83@it.uc3m.es> References: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> <2fff9d43018f16a0232d1739a1b44f83@it.uc3m.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8569AEF5-19C3-40C7-BA76-7EE971AF1DF3@kniveton.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "T.J. Kniveton" Subject: Re: [nemo] Charter proposal.. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:06:22 -0800 To: marcelo bagnulo braun X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: ml-nemo WG X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Marcelo, I removed it not only because of your comment, but also because it's =20 not clear to me (a) what work would be done to address n,n,n ingress =20 filtering, and (b) who is committed to do it. In light of this, I =20 removed it until those things can be clarified. TJ On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:54 PM, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > Hi, > > i agree with the RO part of the charter. > > just a minor comment... > > in previous version of the charter was an item about ingress =20 > filtering for multihomed nemos. I made a comment about the issue =20 > being about fault tolerance in the link between the MR and the HA =20 > rather than only ingress filtering. The goal of this comment was to =20= > rephrase the item rather than remove it. I think it may be worthy =20 > to work on this if other folks are interested... > > Regards, marcelo > > El 03/11/2006, a las 6:47, T.J. Kniveton escribi=F3: > >> Hi folks, >> >> After the latest discussion on the list, I weighed some of our =20 >> options, and then we had a pow-wow between the NEMO chairs, and =20 >> the Area Director. We've come up with a more tightly-constrained =20 >> charter, with goals that I believe are achievable. >> >> http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/charter2_5.txt >> >> This charter focuses on route optimization for two scenarios: =20 >> automotive and aeronautical. Initially, we will gather the =20 >> requirements into documents, and then work on solutions based on =20 >> that. >> >> The infrastructure-based / distributed home agent type of solution =20= >> is not spelled out in the charter, because I don't want to bias =20 >> the type of solution we can use. However, based on the documents =20 >> I've seen from Will Ivancic, Terry Davis, and their compatriots, =20 >> that may be a good place to start. We need to refine those =20 >> documents and their input into a good requirements doc. I will =20 >> work with those groups to come up with that document. >> >> The automotive industry working on NEMO solutions is primarily =20 >> located in Japan and Europe. They seem to be in the early stages =20 >> of figuring out how to interact with the IETF, so it may take some =20= >> extra communication with them to be able to import meaningful =20 >> requirements data from them. Thierry will work with those groups =20 >> on that document. >> >> As was mentioned on the list, it's not my goal to have to change =20 >> the charter document very frequently, since it's a long process. =20 >> However, if we do discover some important deployment scenarios =20 >> that aren't covered under these concrete examples, we can =20 >> definitely investigate updating the charter. >> >> Thanks for your patience and see you all soon in San Diego. >> >> TJ >> >> > > From akstcbailerwebmnsdgs@bailerweb.com Sun Nov 05 03:26:10 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgdKU-0006Rw-TX for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:26:10 -0500 Received: from [217.219.144.7] (helo=mail.allenharrison.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgdKK-0003DS-LH for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 03:26:10 -0500 Received: from 82.195.148.90 (HELO mail.bailerweb.com) by lists.ietf.org with esmtp (RGO7WAI66GWV X96B2) id HITC32-LG5C1R-HA for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 6 Nov 2006 08:23:45 -0210 Message-ID: <01c6e920$bdc88c20$6c822ecf@akstcbailerwebmnsdgs> From: "Katelyn Feldman" To: Subject: Re: Katelyn Feldman Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2006 08:23:45 -0210 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6E93E.13F7F820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Spam-Score: 3.6 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6E93E.13F7F820 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C6E93E.13F7F820" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C6E93E.13F7F820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable elizabeth's spirits were so high on this occasion, that though she did=20= not often speakcannot believe that ten thousand pounds, or anything like=20= it, has been advanced. he has children of his"unless where they like=20= women of fortune, which i think they very often do.""no, i should have=20= turned in a moment.""bingley."by that time reached it also, and, holding=20= out a letter, which she instinctively took, said, with a look ofand as=20= his composure convinced her that all was safe, her wit flowed=20= long.elizabeth was surprised, but agreed to it immediately. miss bingley=20= succeeded no less in the realdelayed a little longer, and mr. collins's=20= proposal accepted with as good a grace as she could. she wascourse very=20= dutifully given, but it could not be kept without difficulty; for the=20= curiosity excited by hisY> ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C6E93E.13F7F820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C6E93E.13F7F820-- ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6E93E.13F7F820 Content-Type: image/gif; name="ehpy.gif" Content-ID: <006901c6e920$bdc88c20$6c822ecf@AAVSUP> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 R0lGODdhBQABAKIAAP/MzP8AAMyZAJkAAACZAAAA/wAAAAAAACwAAAAABQABAAADAwiqCQA7 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C6E93E.13F7F820-- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 11:49:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglAJ-0004cD-27; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:48:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglAH-0004c4-HZ for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:48:09 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglAB-0000nA-2E for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:48:09 -0500 Received: from iseran-2.local ([80.10.15.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA5Gla2s019503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 17:47:48 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 17:44:04 +0100 From: Thierry Ernst To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo Message-Id: <20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com> <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 454E15A8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2ed806e2f53ff1a061ad4f97e00345ac X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Dear Shima-san, You raised an interesting point and I totally agree with the rationale. As a WG, we should make sure that all functionalities are actually implemented by at least a few implementors, otherwise the functionalities would have to be removed in a later revision of the RFC. It there could only be one level of the ready logo program, this would rather mean that all features should be part of the ready logo program in order for an implementation to qualify for it. Otherwise, yes, we take the risk that some features are not implemented. If that happens, we would wonder what was the reason behind all the work we make to add more features. I think it would be nice if all implementors would make their point about what is needed to deploy RFC 3963 (this is linked with another discussion, then), and what has been implemented / is under going on their side. Thierry. On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:42:58 -0800 Keiichi SHIMA wrote: >Hello, > >I'm sorry for my very delayed response. > >On 2006/10/30, at 17:00, K.Kawaguchi wrote: >> >> We have already gotten some opinions. We hope to obtain the conclusion >> at the meeting. We want to examine only the conclusion at the meeting, >> because the meeting have not much time. >> If you have an additional opinion, please send it to ML before the >> meeting. > >I'm personally fine with the direction that Kawaguchi-san suggested. > >Our team implemented NEMO BS on top of the BSD operating system. >Right now, we only support the basic case (a HoA from a home network) >due to our implementation design. So, making it as a basic logo >requirement and taking a HoA from MNP as an advanced requirement is >OK for us :-). > >However I have one concern. The Logo program intends to produce many >interoperable implementations. But if we have two levels of the logo >program (basic and advanced), and everyone can get the basic logo by >implementing only some parts of the specification, what does motivate >vendors to implement advanced features? > >So, the question is, how is it important for NEMO deployment that >taking a HoA from a mobile network prefix. If it is not very >important, then the feature can be in the advanced logo requirement >only. But if it is important, we should not have two logo programs. > > >Regards, >--- >Keiichi SHIMA >IIJ Research Laboratory >WIDE Project > > >On 2006/10/30, at 17:00, K.Kawaguchi wrote: > >> Hi all and Vijay-san, >> >> Thank you for answer. >> # I'm sorry the delay. >> >> To our regret, The IPv6 Logo Committee NEMO staffs cannot >> participate in >> the next meeting. Instead of participation, I made text for the next >> IETF meeting. >> >> We have already gotten some opinions. We hope to obtain the conclusion >> at the meeting. We want to examine only the conclusion at the meeting, >> because the meeting have not much time. >> If you have an additional opinion, please send it to ML before the >> meeting. >> >> >> Best regards >> --- >> Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI >> >> >> >> "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" >> "Vijay Devarapalli " wrote: >> >>> K.Kawaguchi wrote: >>> >>>>> - HA (Home Agent) >>>>> - Router functions defined in "Test Specifications for the IPv6 >>>>> Core >>>>> Protocols" MUST be supported. >>>>> - Mobile network prefix registration supporting all of explicit >>>>> mode, >>>>> implicit mode, home address derived from the Mobile Network >>>>> Prefix, and >>>>> >>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>> home address derived from the Home Network Prefix is a Basic >>>>> Function (A1). >>>>> >>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>> ^^^^^^^^ >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -- >>>>> * supplementation) keywords >>>>> Basic Function (Priority A1) : It is defined as indispensable >>>>> function. >>>>> It is always to be tested in >>>>> Logo. >>>>> Advance Function (Priority A2): It is defined as enhanced >>>>> feature. >>>>> It is tested by selection in >>>>> Logo. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> RFC3963 has not described which method is a 'MUST'. Therefore, >>>>> we had equally treated both. However, the operation is possible >>>>> by either one. And a lot of venders might implement only one >>>>> of methods. Now, we think that it is too rich to demand both from >>>>> all products. >>>>> We will put the bias. Two alternatives without mandating either >>>>> make non-interoperable world. So, mandating one is very reasonable. >>>>> We think naturally that home Address be configured from Home Link >>>>> Prefix is basic method same as MIPv6. >>> >>> sounds good to me. >>> >>> Vijay >>> >>> >>> > > > -- From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 11:59:01 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglKe-0002aW-OT; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:58:52 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglKd-0002Yo-B7 for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:58:51 -0500 Received: from dsl092-223-006.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.223.6] helo=moe.corp.azairenet.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglKX-0001rH-VD for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:58:51 -0500 Received: from [10.1.210.7] ([66.92.223.6]) by moe.corp.azairenet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:58:45 -0800 Message-ID: <454E1760.4090907@azairenet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 08:54:56 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "T.J. Kniveton" Subject: Re: [nemo] Charter proposal.. References: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> <2fff9d43018f16a0232d1739a1b44f83@it.uc3m.es> <8569AEF5-19C3-40C7-BA76-7EE971AF1DF3@kniveton.com> In-Reply-To: <8569AEF5-19C3-40C7-BA76-7EE971AF1DF3@kniveton.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2006 16:58:45.0114 (UTC) FILETIME=[A78C75A0:01C700FB] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 73734d43604d52d23b3eba644a169745 Cc: marcelo bagnulo braun , ml-nemo WG X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org T.J. Kniveton wrote: > Hi Marcelo, > > I removed it not only because of your comment, but also because it's not > clear to me (a) what work would be done to address n,n,n ingress > filtering it could be a BCP like document where we describe how to do the ingress filtering in (n,n,n) case. > and (b) who is committed to do it. oh.. finding people to do the work on the NEMO WG has never been issue. :) on the contrary people got tired of waiting for things to move. > In light of this, I > removed it until those things can be clarified. I think a short document to address this would be good. > > TJ > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:54 PM, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i agree with the RO part of the charter. >> >> just a minor comment... >> >> in previous version of the charter was an item about ingress filtering >> for multihomed nemos. I made a comment about the issue being about >> fault tolerance in the link between the MR and the HA rather than only >> ingress filtering. The goal of this comment was to rephrase the item >> rather than remove it. I think it may be worthy to work on this if >> other folks are interested... >> >> Regards, marcelo >> >> El 03/11/2006, a las 6:47, T.J. Kniveton escribi�: >> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> After the latest discussion on the list, I weighed some of our >>> options, and then we had a pow-wow between the NEMO chairs, and the >>> Area Director. We've come up with a more tightly-constrained charter, >>> with goals that I believe are achievable. >>> >>> http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/charter2_5.txt >>> >>> This charter focuses on route optimization for two scenarios: >>> automotive and aeronautical. Initially, we will gather the >>> requirements into documents, and then work on solutions based on that. >>> >>> The infrastructure-based / distributed home agent type of solution is >>> not spelled out in the charter, because I don't want to bias the type >>> of solution we can use. However, based on the documents I've seen >>> from Will Ivancic, Terry Davis, and their compatriots, that may be a >>> good place to start. We need to refine those documents and their >>> input into a good requirements doc. I will work with those groups to >>> come up with that document. >>> >>> The automotive industry working on NEMO solutions is primarily >>> located in Japan and Europe. They seem to be in the early stages of >>> figuring out how to interact with the IETF, so it may take some extra >>> communication with them to be able to import meaningful requirements >>> data from them. Thierry will work with those groups on that document. >>> >>> As was mentioned on the list, it's not my goal to have to change the >>> charter document very frequently, since it's a long process. However, >>> if we do discover some important deployment scenarios that aren't >>> covered under these concrete examples, we can definitely investigate >>> updating the charter. >>> >>> Thanks for your patience and see you all soon in San Diego. >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> >> >> > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 12:12:20 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglXd-0003nr-KJ; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:12:17 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglXd-0003nj-28 for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:12:17 -0500 Received: from dsl092-223-006.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.92.223.6] helo=moe.corp.azairenet.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GglXb-0003PS-OK for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:12:17 -0500 Received: from [10.1.210.7] ([66.92.223.6]) by moe.corp.azairenet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 5 Nov 2006 09:12:14 -0800 Message-ID: <454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 09:08:27 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thierry Ernst Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo References: <200609201718.HAJ30652.JLUVBXHB@ysknet.co.jp> <200609281458.IIE26588.HUVJBBXL@ysknet.co.jp> <200610021515.GBC65639.BJLBUXVH@ysknet.co.jp> <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com> <200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp> <20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2006 17:12:14.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[89FFB130:01C700FD] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d6aff76b15f3f56fcb94490e1052e4 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Thierry, Thierry Ernst wrote: > Dear Shima-san, > > You raised an interesting point and I totally agree with the rationale. > > As a WG, we should make sure that all functionalities are actually > implemented by at least a few implementors, otherwise the > functionalities would have to be removed in a later revision of the RFC. its ok if some features don't get implemented and we eventually remove them. > It there could only be one level of the ready logo program, this would > rather mean that all features should be part of the ready logo program > in order for an implementation to qualify for it. I don't think we should force the IPv6 ready logo program to include all features. Otherwise, yes, we > take the risk that some features are not implemented. If that happens, > we would wonder what was the reason behind all the work we make to add > more features. thats normal. when a WG develops a solution on the IETF, it is hard to say what will get implemented and deployed. > I think it would be nice if all implementors would make their point > about what is needed to deploy RFC 3963 (this is linked with another > discussion, then), and what has been implemented / is under going on > their side. as the Basic NEMO spec moves from a Proposed Standard to Draft Standard, this happens automatically. any feature in the RFC that does not have multiple interoperable implementations is removed. Vijay From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 17:19:04 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgqK1-0007Mz-NL; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:18:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgqK0-0007Mq-74 for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:18:32 -0500 Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es ([163.117.136.121]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgqJv-0001S0-Jf for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:18:32 -0500 Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE7EE7AC2; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:18:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from [163.117.203.122] (unknown [163.117.203.122]) by smtp01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760FFE7B28; Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:18:16 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <8569AEF5-19C3-40C7-BA76-7EE971AF1DF3@kniveton.com> References: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> <2fff9d43018f16a0232d1739a1b44f83@it.uc3m.es> <8569AEF5-19C3-40C7-BA76-7EE971AF1DF3@kniveton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <319bbc2eb03341875c045db77ea33562@it.uc3m.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: marcelo bagnulo braun Subject: Re: [nemo] Charter proposal.. Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:18:21 +0100 To: "T.J. Kniveton" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d2e37451f7f22841e3b6f40c67db0f Cc: ml-nemo WG X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi T.J. El 05/11/2006, a las 9:06, T.J. Kniveton escribi=F3: > Hi Marcelo, > > I removed it not only because of your comment, but also because it's=20= > not clear to me (a) what work would be done to address n,n,n ingress=20= > filtering, my understanding was that the goal was to have a more detailed =20 description of what is included in the appendix of the multihoming=20 document and see if we need some additional work to make the appraoch=20 described work... > and (b) who is committed to do it. I personally i am willing to work on this and i think that some (if not=20= all) other authors from the multihoming docuemtn are also interested in=20= working on this... but again, this only makes sense if some other folks of the wg think=20 this is relevant/interesting regards, marcelo > In light of this, I removed it until those things can be clarified. > > TJ > > On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:54 PM, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i agree with the RO part of the charter. >> >> just a minor comment... >> >> in previous version of the charter was an item about ingress=20 >> filtering for multihomed nemos. I made a comment about the issue=20 >> being about fault tolerance in the link between the MR and the HA=20 >> rather than only ingress filtering. The goal of this comment was to=20= >> rephrase the item rather than remove it. I think it may be worthy to=20= >> work on this if other folks are interested... >> >> Regards, marcelo >> >> El 03/11/2006, a las 6:47, T.J. Kniveton escribi=F3: >> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> After the latest discussion on the list, I weighed some of our=20 >>> options, and then we had a pow-wow between the NEMO chairs, and the=20= >>> Area Director. We've come up with a more tightly-constrained=20 >>> charter, with goals that I believe are achievable. >>> >>> http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/charter2_5.txt >>> >>> This charter focuses on route optimization for two scenarios:=20 >>> automotive and aeronautical. Initially, we will gather the=20 >>> requirements into documents, and then work on solutions based on=20 >>> that. >>> >>> The infrastructure-based / distributed home agent type of solution=20= >>> is not spelled out in the charter, because I don't want to bias the=20= >>> type of solution we can use. However, based on the documents I've=20 >>> seen from Will Ivancic, Terry Davis, and their compatriots, that may=20= >>> be a good place to start. We need to refine those documents and=20 >>> their input into a good requirements doc. I will work with those=20 >>> groups to come up with that document. >>> >>> The automotive industry working on NEMO solutions is primarily=20 >>> located in Japan and Europe. They seem to be in the early stages of=20= >>> figuring out how to interact with the IETF, so it may take some=20 >>> extra communication with them to be able to import meaningful=20 >>> requirements data from them. Thierry will work with those groups on=20= >>> that document. >>> >>> As was mentioned on the list, it's not my goal to have to change the=20= >>> charter document very frequently, since it's a long process.=20 >>> However, if we do discover some important deployment scenarios that=20= >>> aren't covered under these concrete examples, we can definitely=20 >>> investigate updating the charter. >>> >>> Thanks for your patience and see you all soon in San Diego. >>> >>> TJ >>> >>> >> >> > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 05 19:32:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgsOU-0002Y0-Un; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:31:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgsOT-0002Xs-RB for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:31:17 -0500 Received: from [130.129.69.134] (helo=mozart.psl.com.sg) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgsOS-0002CN-Hs for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 19:31:17 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mozart.psl.com.sg (Postfix) with ESMTP id B688B173E7D; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:32:33 +0800 (SGT) Subject: Re: [nemo] Charter proposal.. From: Chan-Wah NG To: marcelo bagnulo braun In-Reply-To: <319bbc2eb03341875c045db77ea33562@it.uc3m.es> References: <353E5B3B-6091-423E-B276-CF39F2818E07@kniveton.com> <2fff9d43018f16a0232d1739a1b44f83@it.uc3m.es> <8569AEF5-19C3-40C7-BA76-7EE971AF1DF3@kniveton.com> <319bbc2eb03341875c045db77ea33562@it.uc3m.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Panasonic Singapore Labs Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:32:30 +0800 Message-Id: <1162773150.11409.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0ddefe323dd869ab027dbfff7eff0465 Cc: ml-nemo WG , "T.J. Kniveton" X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hello all, On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 23:18 +0100, marcelo bagnulo braun wrote: > Hi T.J. >=20 > El 05/11/2006, a las 9:06, T.J. Kniveton escribi=F3: >=20 > > Hi Marcelo, > > > > I removed it not only because of your comment, but also because it's=20 > > not clear to me (a) what work would be done to address n,n,n ingress=20 > > filtering, >=20 > my understanding was that the goal was to have a more detailed =20 > description of what is included in the appendix of the multihoming=20 > document and see if we need some additional work to make the appraoch=20 > described work... >=20 That's my understanding as well ... The base idea is already there in the appendix, all we need to do is to formalize it, and polish it abit on some of the rough edges. I am pretty surpised by the omission of the work from the charter as well ... it has been raised a few times, there is no objections I can see. >=20 > > and (b) who is committed to do it. >=20 > I personally i am willing to work on this and i think that some (if not= =20 > all) other authors from the multihoming docuemtn are also interested in= =20 > working on this... >=20 > but again, this only makes sense if some other folks of the wg think=20 > this is relevant/interesting >=20 What Vijay says (in another response) on "people geeting tired of waiting" is quite true too ... ;) I am definitely committed to doing this work if the WG thinks it is worthwhile. /rgds /cwng From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 06 18:59:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhEMh-0006Wu-08; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:58:55 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhEMf-0006Wp-NC for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:58:53 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhEMa-0002OM-8k for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:58:53 -0500 Received: from iseran-2.local (dhcp64-178.ietf67.org [130.129.64.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA6NwUWP023449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 00:58:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 00:58:44 +0100 From: Thierry Ernst To: ml-nemo Message-Id: <20061107005844.1f33cc06.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 454FCC26.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Subject: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, Please find the agenda below. Any potential update would be posted on http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/nemo.txt Agenda for the NEMO WG meeting, IETF67 November 5-10 2006 San Diego, USA NEMO WG page: http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/nemo-charter.html NEMO Additional Page: http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/ Thursday, November 09 1510-1610 Afternoon Session II Grance C Chairs: TJ Kniveton & Thierry Ernst 1. Welcome, agenda bashing ....................................... 05 mins Chairs 2. WG documents status ........................................... 10 mins Chairs http://tools.ietf.org/wg/nemo/ 3. Final version of new charter .................................. 20 mins Chairs Current version of new charter http://www.mobilenetworks.org/nemo/charter2_5.txt 4. Aviation Industry Requirements & Issues ....................... 20 mins Terry Davis & William Ivancic Multi-Domained, Multi-Homed Mobile Networks http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ivancic-mobile-platforms-problem-00.txt Aviation Global Internet Operations Requirements http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-davis-aviationreq-00.txt NEMO Chairs. 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"pray, my dear aunt, what is the difference in matrimonial affairs,=20= between the mercenary and elizabeth soon saw that she was herself closely watched by miss bingley,=20= and that she could not From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 15:55:34 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXyI-0002d0-Lz; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:55:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXyG-0002bW-PO for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:55:01 -0500 Received: from mxs2.siemens.at ([194.138.12.133] helo=atvies1zrx.siemens.at) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXy3-00035s-JC for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:55:00 -0500 Received: from vies1k7x.sie.siemens.at ([158.226.129.83]) by atvies1zrx.siemens.at with ESMTP id kA7KsofC005952; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:54:50 +0100 Received: from nets139a.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.129.98]) by vies1k7x.sie.siemens.at (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.1) with ESMTP id kA7KsgjH002912; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:54:44 +0100 Received: from nets13ga.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.250.76]) by nets139a.ww300.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:54:43 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: AW: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:54:42 +0100 Message-ID: <5B32D34C21BAB14AAE47FF638BF82F00E5FAD5@nets13ga.ww300.siemens.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda Thread-Index: AccB/7ZcftQ97m2+QwSg1IMYCerR3gArkbN6 References: <20061107005844.1f33cc06.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> From: "Plasser, Erich" To: "Thierry Ernst" , "ml-nemo" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 20:54:43.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3AA7C70:01C702AE] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Cc: X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Thierry, TJ =20 I understand, that with the Agenda you will address the most important = things as charter and practical requirements first. But how and when do you plan to discuss all the draft-ideas ? =20 Anyway NEMO should have more time. =20 Proposal: Thursday, 9:00-11:30 session for rtgarea is canceled. wouldn't that be a chance for others like NEMO to occupy that slot to = gain more time ? =20 Erich ________________________________ Von: Thierry Ernst [mailto:thierry.ernst@inria.fr] Gesendet: Di 07.11.2006 00:58 An: ml-nemo Betreff: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda Dear all, Please find the agenda below. Any potential update would be posted on http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/nemo.txt From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 07 16:35:26 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhYb3-0006PV-Lw; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:35:05 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhYb1-0006PN-TF for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:35:03 -0500 Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhYax-0000WT-Fy for nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 16:35:03 -0500 Received: from iseran-2.local (dhcp64-178.ietf67.org [130.129.64.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA7LYp2t019371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:34:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:35:08 +0100 From: Thierry Ernst To: "Plasser, Erich" Subject: Re: AW: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda Message-Id: <20061107223508.33d55b89.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> In-Reply-To: <5B32D34C21BAB14AAE47FF638BF82F00E5FAD5@nets13ga.ww300.siemens.net> References: <20061107005844.1f33cc06.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <5B32D34C21BAB14AAE47FF638BF82F00E5FAD5@nets13ga.ww300.siemens.net> Organization: INRIA X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; powerpc-apple-darwin7.8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 4550FBFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Dear Erich, We don't want to discuss solution drafts at this point in time; what we need to discuss first are deployment issues and use cases requirements. But for this meeting, we will focus on explaining the modifications in the new charter and aeronautical requirements (we don't have requirements yets from other use cases). So, even though there is some cancellation, we don't think additional time is needed. In any case, a WG cancellation is not an indecation of a possibility to get the time for another WG as it could cause conflicts (you forgot that netlmm is scheduled at the same time). On the other hand, you are free to raise discussion on the mailing list about your draft. Regards, Thierry On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:54:42 +0100 "Plasser, Erich" wrote: >Hi Thierry, TJ > >I understand, that with the Agenda you will address the most important things as charter and practical requirements first. >But how and when do you plan to discuss all the draft-ideas ? > >Anyway NEMO should have more time. > >Proposal: Thursday, 9:00-11:30 session for rtgarea is canceled. >wouldn't that be a chance for others like NEMO to occupy that slot to gain more time ? > >Erich > >________________________________ > >Von: Thierry Ernst [mailto:thierry.ernst@inria.fr] >Gesendet: Di 07.11.2006 00:58 >An: ml-nemo >Betreff: [nemo] NEMO WG Agenda > > > > >Dear all, > >Please find the agenda below. Any potential update would be posted on >http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/agenda/nemo.txt > > > > > -- Thierry ERNST, PhD http://www.nautilus6.org/~thierry IETF NEMO WG Chair, IETF MonAmi6 Chair, Nautilus6 Chair -- INRIA Rocquencourt Project-Team IMARA, France. +33 1 39 63 59 30 (office) From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 01:14:07 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghgh3-00012O-Gw; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:13:49 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghgh2-00010J-9N for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:13:48 -0500 Received: from yskfw1.ysknet.co.jp ([210.169.255.3] helo=ksns.ks.ysknet.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ghgh0-0000uW-GZ for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:13:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 27682 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2006 15:13:34 +0900 Received: from (HELO MIP6-236) (@) by with SMTP; 8 Nov 2006 15:13:34 +0900 To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com><200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp><20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr><454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> In-Reply-To: <454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> Message-Id: <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:13:33 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2857c5c041d6c02d7181d602c22822c8 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Chairs and all, I explain the selection and the classification of test item on the Logo test specification in section 7 more. And I add the Idea-5 in section 5. We want the evidence of the consensus/Idea that IETF NEMO WG agreed. If possible, please consolidate it at the meeting. --- 7. Supplementary explanation The Logo test specification doesn't take all the descriptions of RFC. The functions with strong demand in RFC are included in the Logo test. (i.e. 'MUST','SHOULD' and an affirmative sentence in RFC. ) Not only 'MUST' but also 'SHOULD' is contained because the Logo standard was set to a high-quality interoperability. (Logo such as IPv6 Core and IPsec is similar too.) Logo is classified from the necessity of the function into the Basic Function and the Advanced Function. The Basic Function takes a function necessary to ensure a minimum interoperability. The Advanced Function is necessary for securing the interoperability of a higher function. The Advanced Function of Logo is proof of a higher function. In the Logo test specification of RFC3775(MIP6), the home registration and the payloads packet tunneling were assumed to be the Basic Function. The dynamic home agents address discovery, the mobile prefix discovery, the return routabiliuty, and the returning home were assumed to be the Advanced Function. (This function is the same classification into NEMO.) How is the Home Address setting classified in NEMO basic? - MUST/SHOULD MR be able to configure home address from home network prefix? - MUST/SHOULD MR be able to configure home address from mobile network prefix? - Is it necessary for securing a minimum interconnectivity? Some opinions seem to support the home address configuring from home network prefix. On the other hand, no opinion supports the home address configuring from mobile network prefix. The following ideas are added. Idea-5) Although home address configured from home network prefix is the Basic Function, home address configured from mobile network prefix is out of the Logo. In this case, Logo candidates are required to support at least the Basic Function. We can certificate interoperability among all the NEMO products with the Basic Function. The Logo test will be renewed if the RFC is renewed in the future. That is, if the demand rises in the future, it will be added to the Advanced function or the Basic Function. (Of course, new Logo is distinguished from old Logo.) --- Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI "Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo" "Vijay Devarapalli " wrote: > Hi Thierry, > > Thierry Ernst wrote: > > Dear Shima-san, > > > > You raised an interesting point and I totally agree with the rationale. > > > > As a WG, we should make sure that all functionalities are actually > > implemented by at least a few implementors, otherwise the > > functionalities would have to be removed in a later revision of the RFC. > > its ok if some features don't get implemented > and we eventually remove them. > > > It there could only be one level of the ready logo program, this would > > rather mean that all features should be part of the ready logo program > > in order for an implementation to qualify for it. > > I don't think we should force the IPv6 ready logo > program to include all features. > > Otherwise, yes, we > > take the risk that some features are not implemented. If that happens, > > we would wonder what was the reason behind all the work we make to add > > more features. > > thats normal. when a WG develops a solution on the > IETF, it is hard to say what will get implemented > and deployed. > > > I think it would be nice if all implementors would make their point > > about what is needed to deploy RFC 3963 (this is linked with another > > discussion, then), and what has been implemented / is under going on > > their side. > > as the Basic NEMO spec moves from a Proposed > Standard to Draft Standard, this happens > automatically. any feature in the RFC that does not > have multiple interoperable implementations is > removed. > > Vijay > > > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 14:33:43 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ght9v-0006Vw-Aj; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:32:27 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ght9u-0006Vq-7H for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:32:26 -0500 Received: from h-74-0-36-190.snfccasy.covad.net ([74.0.36.190] helo=multihop.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ght9s-0006SN-Tx for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:32:26 -0500 Received: by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix, from userid 1013) id C3F0C8ABBE4; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:32:19 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on deimos.multihop.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.6 Received: from [130.129.65.199] (dhcp65-199.ietf67.org [130.129.65.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by deimos.multihop.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104858AB82E; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:32:22 -0800 From: "T.J. Kniveton" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "K.Kawaguchi" Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo References: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com><200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp><20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr><454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org K.Kawaguchi wrote: > Hi Chairs and all, > > I explain the selection and the classification of test item on the Logo > test specification in section 7 more. And I add the Idea-5 in section 5. > > We want the evidence of the consensus/Idea that IETF NEMO WG agreed. > If possible, please consolidate it at the meeting. > Hi, The list of items to go into your testing program is not a work item for NEMO, and although you can gather informal opinions from the list, there would not be working group consensus provided to any Logo or testing program run by an independent entity. It would be up to you to decide what features you want to certify for your Logo program. TJ From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 08 17:33:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhvyY-0005CU-Ea; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:32:54 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhvyX-0005CK-FD for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:32:53 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhvyW-0003Cz-4f for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:32:53 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so41652ugd for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:32:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EmRrMWnjNRstEAKytmaScAxyGNqvkotdjaJMgLiCP3zxgtsBo3wVBIey/fHhZ4xx/rSrb5wFwiu8wu6jvdHedy8GtTlmsWlGHNjRrcmzghXtD/LfDT0Df14B2ZYCsj3C3FXWHHOWfCq+EeH9spjBDXpBr4nngDYbgLRIdwafDj4= Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr188592hue.1163025170675; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.129.65.179? ( [130.129.65.179]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 39sm10681253hui.2006.11.08.14.32.48; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:32:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com> References: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com><200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp><20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr><454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4B609BE4-A018-408D-B057-3530699C4566@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RYUJI WAKIKAWA Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 07:32:37 +0900 To: T.J. Kniveton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi TJ On 2006/11/09, at 4:32, T.J. Kniveton wrote: > K.Kawaguchi wrote: >> Hi Chairs and all, >> >> I explain the selection and the classification of test item on the >> Logo >> test specification in section 7 more. And I add the Idea-5 in >> section 5. >> >> We want the evidence of the consensus/Idea that IETF NEMO WG agreed. >> If possible, please consolidate it at the meeting. >> > Hi, > > The list of items to go into your testing program is not a work > item for NEMO, and although you can gather informal opinions from > the list, there would not be working group consensus provided to > any Logo or testing program run by an independent entity. It would > be up to you to decide what features you want to certify for your > Logo program. Regardless of logo, it is true that the RFC 3963 is vague on this. MR can support either one or both configurations. I'm not sure whether 3963 will take "Hoa from home prefix" as a default configuration in future revision, Regarding to the logo, you can pick one of configuration as a default. But before making such decision, you should check the below document too. Aggregated home network is one example to support HoA from MNP. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-home-network- models-06.txt The current SHISA implementation supports only HoA from the home prefix, but we knew it's easily extend to support both case. regards, ryuji From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thu Nov 09 03:55:17 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gi5g5-0003kC-NL; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:54:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gi5g4-0003jy-9U for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:54:28 -0500 Received: from yskfw1.ysknet.co.jp ([210.169.255.3] helo=ksns.ks.ysknet.co.jp) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gi5g1-0001Dl-0s for nemo@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:54:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 10084 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 17:54:11 +0900 Received: from (HELO MIP6-236) (@) by with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 17:54:11 +0900 To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr> <454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com> <4B609BE4-A018-408D-B057-3530699C4566@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4B609BE4-A018-408D-B057-3530699C4566@gmail.com> Message-Id: <200611091754.IDD59468.BLUXJBHV@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:54:11 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi, RYUJI WAKIKAWA wrote: > Hi TJ > > On 2006/11/09, at 4:32, T.J. Kniveton wrote: > > > K.Kawaguchi wrote: > >> Hi Chairs and all, > >> > >> I explain the selection and the classification of test item on the > >> Logo > >> test specification in section 7 more. And I add the Idea-5 in > >> section 5. > >> > >> We want the evidence of the consensus/Idea that IETF NEMO WG agreed. > >> If possible, please consolidate it at the meeting. > >> > > Hi, > > > > The list of items to go into your testing program is not a work > > item for NEMO, and although you can gather informal opinions from > > the list, there would not be working group consensus provided to > > any Logo or testing program run by an independent entity. It would > > be up to you to decide what features you want to certify for your > > Logo program. I consented. The decision of the Logo program is the independent work of us. Also, we will keep participating in NEMO WG according to the outline of IETF. > > Regardless of logo, it is true that the RFC 3963 is vague on this. > MR can support either one or both configurations. > I'm not sure whether 3963 will take "Hoa from home prefix" as a > default configuration in future revision, > > Regarding to the logo, you can pick one of configuration as a default. > But before making such decision, you should check the below document > too. > Aggregated home network is one example to support HoA from MNP. > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-home-network- > models-06.txt Yes. I am referring to this draft. I see that the product package of a different specification exists according to those home network models. Also in the opinion that has been obtained before, a lot of developers seem to be advancing development by one method. > > The current SHISA implementation supports only HoA from the home prefix, > but we knew it's easily extend to support both case. The product that can achieve both provides high applicability to the career and the user. It is one advantage for the product. As a result, I think that we will separately treat each home address setting method. 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This could bring a new option: being a basic feature on the HA, and a advanced one on the MR. I personally like this way of configuring the MR, as the HA does not need to deal with 2 prefixes anymore (one to build the MR's HoA, and one MNP to delegate to the MR), and just need to delegate an MNP to the MR. FYI the NEPL implementation is designed to support also HoA from MNP, although a small bug prevents to do so in the current version (could get it working with a small fix). Regards, -- Romain KUNTZ kuntz@sfc.wide.ad.jp RYUJI WAKIKAWA wrote: > Hi TJ > > On 2006/11/09, at 4:32, T.J. Kniveton wrote: > >> K.Kawaguchi wrote: >>> Hi Chairs and all, >>> >>> I explain the selection and the classification of test item on the Logo >>> test specification in section 7 more. And I add the Idea-5 in section 5. >>> >>> We want the evidence of the consensus/Idea that IETF NEMO WG agreed. >>> If possible, please consolidate it at the meeting. >>> >> Hi, >> >> The list of items to go into your testing program is not a work item >> for NEMO, and although you can gather informal opinions from the list, >> there would not be working group consensus provided to any Logo or >> testing program run by an independent entity. It would be up to you to >> decide what features you want to certify for your Logo program. > > Regardless of logo, it is true that the RFC 3963 is vague on this. > MR can support either one or both configurations. > I'm not sure whether 3963 will take "Hoa from home prefix" as a default > configuration in future revision, > > Regarding to the logo, you can pick one of configuration as a default. > But before making such decision, you should check the below document too. > Aggregated home network is one example to support HoA from MNP. > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-home-network-models-06.txt > > > The current SHISA implementation supports only HoA from the home prefix, > but we knew it's easily extend to support both case. > > regards, > ryuji > From nobody@vps.interiordesignquotes.com Fri Nov 10 17:05:49 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GieSy-0002fC-Mt for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:17 -0500 Received: from vps.interiordesignquotes.com ([207.58.152.96]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GieN3-0003cc-SF for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:57:11 -0500 Received: from nobody by vps.interiordesignquotes.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GieN3-0004F3-82 for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:57:09 -0500 To: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Question From eBay Member #180011018241 From: eBay Member Reply-To: UseTheYellowButton@ebay.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:57:09 -0500 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.interiordesignquotes.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vps.interiordesignquotes.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 88b11fc64c1bfdb4425294ef5374ca07

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From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Fri Nov 10 17:08:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GieTW-0003Am-Mk; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GieTT-0002eB-CK for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:03:47 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GieH8-0002Z7-Ow for nemo@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:51:04 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-2.cisco.com ([171.71.179.186]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2006 13:51:03 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,410,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="342738643:sNHT53329432" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAALp2qc030002; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:51:02 -0800 Received: from irp-view7.cisco.com (irp-view7.cisco.com [171.70.65.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAALp1W5024764; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:51:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sri Gundavelli To: Romain KUNTZ Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo In-Reply-To: <45544E8F.5090509@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Message-ID: References: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com><200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp><20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr><454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com> <4B609BE4-A018-408D-B057-3530699C4566@gmail.com> <45544E8F.5090509@sfc.wide.ad.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3002; t=1163195462; x=1164059462; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim2002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sgundave@cisco.com; z=From:=20Sri=20Gundavelli=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[nemo]=20About=20Test=20Specification=20in=20IPv6=20R eady=20Logo |Sender:=20; bh=o6ygzBx4oMaYdr3t9ZP1t3umm6BEOSZ9HM7zlgcsD9Y=; b=upE+SADw5SkXIbYcsxY5u2UwRNTpgcUP3bqWqepGj45fyWVpUQaQq1Nl62cOpHTMR+pyBwYB aXvlWgi94zSUgEMmXBu6kJXvD+GyJWW2Gpc8LMC9dr/vfCLh7VUgy+I2; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-2; header.From=sgundave@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim2002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c3a18ef96977fc9bcc21a621cbf1174b Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Romain, On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Romain KUNTZ wrote: > Hi, > > Being able to register an HoA from a MNP may be more important on the HA > than on the MR, for interoperability purposes. This could bring a new > option: being a basic feature on the HA, and a advanced one on the MR. > Using a HoA from MNP introduces some interesting situation, when the MR returns home. The MNP is anchored at the HA and when the MR returns home, there is no routing state for that prefix at the HA. At home, is the MR a bridge ? Is the prefix split between HA and MR and MR and itself ? If some one case fix the text in 3963 and address all the issues, I'm ok supporting this. Currently, we dont support this. > I personally like this way of configuring the MR, as the HA does not > need to deal with 2 prefixes anymore (one to build the MR's HoA, and one > MNP to delegate to the MR), and just need to delegate an MNP to the MR. > But, at a cost of configuration complexity. If are clear as how the routing/configuration looks when the MR is at home, in this scenario, I'm ok with this. > FYI the NEPL implementation is designed to support also HoA from MNP, > although a small bug prevents to do so in the current version (could get > it working with a small fix). > > Regards, > > -- > Romain KUNTZ > kuntz@sfc.wide.ad.jp > > > RYUJI WAKIKAWA wrote: >> Hi TJ >> >> On 2006/11/09, at 4:32, T.J. Kniveton wrote: >> >> > K.Kawaguchi wrote: >> > > Hi Chairs and all, >> > > >> > > I explain the selection and the classification of test item on the >> > > Logo >> > > test specification in section 7 more. And I add the Idea-5 in section >> > > 5. >> > > >> > > We want the evidence of the consensus/Idea that IETF NEMO WG agreed. >> > > If possible, please consolidate it at the meeting. >> > > >> > Hi, >> > >> > The list of items to go into your testing program is not a work item for >> > NEMO, and although you can gather informal opinions from the list, there >> > would not be working group consensus provided to any Logo or testing >> > program run by an independent entity. It would be up to you to decide >> > what features you want to certify for your Logo program. >> >> Regardless of logo, it is true that the RFC 3963 is vague on this. >> MR can support either one or both configurations. >> I'm not sure whether 3963 will take "Hoa from home prefix" as a default >> configuration in future revision, >> >> Regarding to the logo, you can pick one of configuration as a default. >> But before making such decision, you should check the below document too. >> Aggregated home network is one example to support HoA from MNP. >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-nemo-home-network-models-06.txt >> >> The current SHISA implementation supports only HoA from the home prefix, >> but we knew it's easily extend to support both case. >> >> regards, >> ryuji >> > > From mzjhwlsdh@oshawa-bc.com Sat Nov 11 04:31:19 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GipCp-000722-Fe for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:31:19 -0500 Received: from [221.15.35.91] (helo=[221.15.35.91]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GipCl-0001o7-07 for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:31:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c70574$18769bc0$00000000@pc> From: "hauls" To: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org References: <000b01c70574$18769bc0$00000000@pc> Subject: Re: Kojo Nnamdi Show has Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:30:58 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C705B7.267D5310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e3901bdd61b234d82da85cc76f05a7e8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C705B7.267D5310 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C705B7.267D5310" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C705B7.267D5310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org=20 To: mzjhwlsdh@oshawa-bc.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 03:09:48 PM Subject: Kojo Nnamdi Show has Hectic is full interviews Substance. 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<000901c70604$61fd8930$00000000@empiktv8ov9wmh> Subject: Re: Delaware Trail Deads Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:43:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7060C.C3BF8030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Scan-Signature: df1883a27a831c1ea5e8cfe5eb3ad38e This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7060C.C3BF8030 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000A_01C7060C.C3BF8030" ------=_NextPart_001_000A_01C7060C.C3BF8030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org=20 To: wkxlrigykhr@organo.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 01:37:43 AM Subject: Delaware Trail Deads Slick styling dance routines or tidy line 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Subject: Delaware Trail = Deads

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Bright is compact spite daring = melodic=20 structure subtle. Christmas brand teeth deadpanned enforcer Jody Shelley = flashing?

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mail.sfc.wide.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389E54D885; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:13:04 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4557D4BA.5060108@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:13:14 +0900 From: Romain KUNTZ Organization: The University of Tokyo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Macintosh/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sri Gundavelli Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo References: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com><200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp><20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr><454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com> <4B609BE4-A018-408D-B057-3530699C4566@gmail.com> <45544E8F.5090509@sfc.wide.ad.jp> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Sri, Sri Gundavelli wrote: > Using a HoA from MNP introduces some interesting situation, when > the MR returns home. The MNP is anchored at the HA and when the > MR returns home, there is no routing state for that prefix at > the HA. At home, is the MR a bridge ? Is the prefix split between > HA and MR and MR and itself ? If some one case fix the text in > 3963 and address all the issues, I'm ok supporting this. Currently, > we dont support this. When returning home, the MR could configure an autoconfigured address on its egress interface and send routing protocol messages (section 5.8). Are there any issues with such solution? Regards, -- Romain KUNTZ kuntz@sfc.wide.ad.jp From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Sun Nov 12 22:58:36 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjSwa-0007fp-JR; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:57:12 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjSwa-0007fk-7H for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:57:12 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjSwX-0002xa-Up for nemo@ietf.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:57:12 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2006 19:57:09 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,415,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="343806215:sNHT45858620" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (sj-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.177.237]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAD3v994002730; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:57:09 -0800 Received: from irp-view7.cisco.com (irp-view7.cisco.com [171.70.65.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAD3v8ip025100; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:57:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: Sri Gundavelli To: Romain KUNTZ Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo In-Reply-To: <4557D4BA.5060108@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Message-ID: References: <452ABB53.3020104@azairenet.com><200610311000.FAE39546.XHBVJBLU@ysknet.co.jp><20061105174404.1b42e076.thierry.ernst@inria.fr><454E1A8B.4090607@azairenet.com> <200611081513.ADD60469.HJVBULBX@ysknet.co.jp> <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com> <4B609BE4-A018-408D-B057-3530699C4566@gmail.com> <45544E8F.5090509@sfc.wide.ad.jp> <4557D4BA.5060108@sfc.wide.ad.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=577; t=1163390229; x=1164254229; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=sgundave@cisco.com; z=From:=20Sri=20Gundavelli=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[nemo]=20About=20Test=20Specification=20in=20IPv6=20R eady=20Logo |Sender:=20; bh=wjLKuZV+kNPRJDLdvfCKbm3w3P4RwTFWZqrPnzXoWlM=; b=A7msGw7V9gfmsfeLdrV97RAgvCHjxiUbYU5T1hIC+epxdq086dXst60q6jLMkxUswwiAEnLU lrAQQ2GBO3LdSi/d4xrxfUpGgfzpF7lTYztBzQMdtkYlg5X28JfGS6yY; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=sgundave@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Romain, On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Romain KUNTZ wrote: > Hi Sri, > > Sri Gundavelli wrote: > When returning home, the MR could configure an autoconfigured address on its > egress interface and send routing protocol messages (section 5.8). Are there > any issues with such solution? > How does your NEMO state machine know, its at home ? Typically, you compare the advertised prefix from the RA, with the configured home network prefix. In this case, when the HOA is from the MNP, how does your current implementation determine it is at home ? 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(naexbr03.qualcomm.com [129.46.134.172]) by neophyte.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id kADGde5a015111 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from SANEXCAS02.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.36.176]) by NAEXBR03.na.qualcomm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:39:39 -0800 Received: from NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com ([10.47.6.158]) by SANEXCAS02.na.qualcomm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:39:39 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:39:25 -0800 Message-ID: <2309978910A6A6478C2C7585692B0AF405A11A@NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt Thread-Index: AccHQkewrGr3g1Z7RKC/QeuRJpT37A== From: "Tsirtsis, George" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 16:39:39.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[500BB910:01C70742] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Subject: [nemo] status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi everyone, Could someone let me know what the status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt is? Was it discussed during the IETF meeting last week? Thanks George From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 11:46:46 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjexK-0006xq-36; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:46:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjexJ-0006xh-4n for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:46:45 -0500 Received: from mail2.azairenet.com ([66.92.223.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjexH-0004n5-Sf for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:46:45 -0500 Received: from [10.1.201.6] ([66.92.223.6]) by mail2.azairenet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:46:43 -0800 Message-ID: <4558A173.80500@azairenet.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:46:43 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Tsirtsis, George" Subject: Re: [nemo] status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt References: <2309978910A6A6478C2C7585692B0AF405A11A@NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <2309978910A6A6478C2C7585692B0AF405A11A@NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 16:46:43.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C8FE350:01C70743] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org it is supposed to go for a WG last call soon. it has been stable for a while. Vijay Tsirtsis, George wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Could someone let me know what the status of > draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt is? Was it discussed during the IETF > meeting last week? > > Thanks > George > From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Mon Nov 13 13:10:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjgGW-0003C8-Mv; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:10:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjgGU-0003C3-VO for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:10:38 -0500 Received: from ithilien.qualcomm.com ([129.46.51.59]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjgGT-0007RL-K9 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:10:38 -0500 Received: from sabrina.qualcomm.com (sabrina.qualcomm.com [129.46.61.150]) by ithilien.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.12.5/1.0) with ESMTP id kADIAWja016879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:10:35 -0800 Received: from NAEXBR03.na.qualcomm.com (naexbr03.qualcomm.com [129.46.134.172]) by sabrina.qualcomm.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/1.0) with ESMTP id kADI9rVm007011; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from SANEXCAS02.na.qualcomm.com ([172.30.36.176]) by NAEXBR03.na.qualcomm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:10:27 -0800 Received: from NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com ([10.47.6.158]) by SANEXCAS02.na.qualcomm.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:10:27 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [nemo] status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:10:13 -0800 Message-ID: <2309978910A6A6478C2C7585692B0AF405A146@NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nemo] status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt Thread-Index: AccHQ6X7y9nen+pHT/m/Tgl9rC6JrwACnODg From: "Tsirtsis, George" To: "Vijay Devarapalli" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 18:10:27.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF14DF70:01C7074E] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Cc: nemo@ietf.org X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Thanks Vijay, I also have the following question. The draft allows a MIPv6 home agent to act as a DHCPv6 relay agent for the mobile node so that the node can get IPv6 prefixes from the DHCPv6 server at home. The draft does not seem to place any requirements on MIPv6/NEMO with respect to the prefixes allocated via this mechanism. Is the mobile supposed to register the prefixes using NEMO explicit registration support or is it assumed that implicit registration is used in this case? George > -----Original Message----- > From: Vijay Devarapalli [mailto:vijay.devarapalli@azairenet.com] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 11:47 AM > To: Tsirtsis, George > Cc: nemo@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [nemo] status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt >=20 > it is supposed to go for a WG last call soon. > it has been stable for a while. >=20 > Vijay >=20 > Tsirtsis, George wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Could someone let me know what the status of > > draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt is? Was it discussed during the IETF > > meeting last week? > > > > Thanks > > George > > From xvxvchxrwd@paris.nethotels.com Mon Nov 13 20:33:08 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjnAi-0004Ol-Qc for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:33:08 -0500 Received: from adsl-46-108-192-81.adsl.iam.net.ma ([81.192.108.46]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjnAc-0004Zk-Aa for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:33:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c7078c$d0ef2d60$00000000@mihd1eekcxzusv> From: "retailers" To: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org References: <000d01c7078c$d0ef2d60$00000000@mihd1eekcxzusv> Subject: Re: been previous Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:32:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7078C.D0EF2D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 4.8 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 22f8e36c8d8be0bcbb9bf02fb6ce7335 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7078C.D0EF2D60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01C7078C.D0EF2D60" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C7078C.D0EF2D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org=20 To: xvxvchxrwd@paris.nethotels.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 01:06:48 AM Subject: been previous Uses in mids is makeedit or tapes a! 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(helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjnyh-0007yn-7s for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:24:47 -0500 Received: from mail2.azairenet.com ([66.92.223.6]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjnye-00045g-U3 for nemo@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:24:47 -0500 Received: from [10.1.201.6] ([66.92.223.6]) by mail2.azairenet.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:24:43 -0800 Message-ID: <455928EB.70101@azairenet.com> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:24:43 -0800 From: Vijay Devarapalli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Tsirtsis, George" Subject: Re: [nemo] status of draft-ietf-nemo-dhcpv6-pd-01.txt References: <2309978910A6A6478C2C7585692B0AF405A146@NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com> In-Reply-To: <2309978910A6A6478C2C7585692B0AF405A146@NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2006 02:24:43.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B846A10:01C70794] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2409bba43e9c8d580670fda8b695204a Cc: nemo@ietf.org, pthubert@cisco.com, rdroms@cisco.com X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tsirtsis, George wrote: > Thanks Vijay, > > I also have the following question. The draft allows a MIPv6 home agent > to act as a DHCPv6 relay agent for the mobile node so that the node can > get IPv6 prefixes from the DHCPv6 server at home. > > The draft does not seem to place any requirements on MIPv6/NEMO with > respect to the prefixes allocated via this mechanism. Is the mobile > supposed to register the prefixes using NEMO explicit registration > support or is it assumed that implicit registration is used in this > case? the implicit/explicit mode is independent of how the mobile router gets the prefixes. the mobile router and the home agent need to know before the BU is sent, whether the mobile router is using the implicit or explicit mode. if the MR gets more than prefix through DHCPv6-based prefix delegation and sends a BU in the implicit mode, the home agent sets up forwarding for all prefixes. if explicit mode is used, forwarding is setup for only the prefixes that appear in the BU. 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nemo@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:00:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 24294 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 18:00:08 +0900 Received: from (HELO MIP6-236) (@) by with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 18:00:08 +0900 To: nemo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [nemo] About Test Specification in IPv6 Ready Logo From: "K.Kawaguchi" References: <455230C6.4080507@kniveton.com><4B609BE4-A018-408D-B057-3530699C4566@gmail.com><45544E8F.5090509@sfc.wide.ad.jp><4557D4BA.5060108@sfc.wide.ad.jp> In-Reply-To: <4557D4BA.5060108@sfc.wide.ad.jp> Message-Id: <200611141800.CEB73439.UHBLJXBV@ysknet.co.jp> X-Mailer: Winbiff [Version 2.43 PL1] X-Accept-Language: ja,en Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 18:00:08 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Romain KUNTZ wrote: > > Sri Gundavelli wrote: > > Using a HoA from MNP introduces some interesting situation, when > > the MR returns home. The MNP is anchored at the HA and when the > > MR returns home, there is no routing state for that prefix at > > the HA. At home, is the MR a bridge ? Is the prefix split between > > HA and MR and MR and itself ? If some one case fix the text in > > 3963 and address all the issues, I'm ok supporting this. Currently, > > we dont support this. > > When returning home, the MR could configure an autoconfigured address on > its egress interface and send routing protocol messages (section 5.8). > Are there any issues with such solution? If the routing protocol is indispensable, I want to know which routing protocol should provide. I think that default is necessary to secure the interoperability and the NEMO connection test between many products. I think the default only now to be acceptable, even if the default will be changed in the future. Best regards --- Kiyoaki KAWAGUCHI From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Tue Nov 14 21:52:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkAsK-0003QJ-1x; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:51:44 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkAsI-0003OO-LD; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:51:42 -0500 Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.55]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkAsF-0003gF-FK; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:51:42 -0500 Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J8R00BFX3Q2CV@szxga03-in.huawei.com>; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:46:50 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J8R00BC33Q1GE@szxga03-in.huawei.com>; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:46:50 +0800 (CST) Received: from h50541 ([10.164.5.15]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0J8R00IN83Q0UM@szxml04-in.huawei.com>; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:46:49 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:46:48 +0800 From: Andy Huang To: Monami6 WG , nemo@ietf.org Message-id: <02b301c70860$4bd96710$0f05a40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2309978910A6A6478C2C7585692B0AF405A228@NAEX16.na.qualcomm.com> <4559FEBC.2040109@motorola.com> <382FEAE1-4CF2-49B2-BF02-BB021812DEF4@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8f374d0786b25a451ef87d82c076f593 Cc: Subject: [nemo] Re: [Monami6] flow bindings are not for NEMO X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi all: The problem is interesting, but I think it is not only for MR which has multiple paths to HA, but for the 'simple' MR which has just one paths to HA. Let's suppose there are multiple MRs in the mobile network and every MR uses the different wireless interface. It's also important for MR to inform MNNs of egress interface information. These information will help MNNs to decide default router selection and source address selection, consequently decide uplink and downlink path selection. On this point, maybe this problem is more NEMO-sepcific. Best regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "RYUJI WAKIKAWA" To: "Monami6 WG" Cc: "Soliman, Hesham" Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Monami6] flow bindings are not for NEMO > Hi George and All > > The problem here is important one for the scope of flow distribution. It > is not related only to flow binding. > > In MIP6, the mobile node has multiple interfaces and can distribute flow > to multiple paths. > However, in the NEMO case, intermediate node (i.e. MR) has multiple paths > to HA. > Since this is NEMO, end node is not aware of multiple paths between > MR-HA. (No RO and intermediate router, MR). > > Therefore, it is no way for LFN/MNN to know what kind of paths which MR > manages. > As a result, there is no way for LFN/MNN to tell the preference to MR > (since LFN cannot know the paths condition of MR). > > If Monami6 wants to support end-end policy exchange in general, NEMO is > very special scenario. > We need additional schemes such as: > - MR advertises the egress interfaces info. > - LFN updates its preference to MR. > > Of course, we have to consider some race condition of filter in MR, if > large number of LFN update their preference. > I mean all the LFN may request WiMAX for all traffic instead of using 3G. > This is not desirable scenario. > > To me, these feature needs a lot of work. > Within the current charter, we should stick to the static case for NEMO. > Then, we may think of above feature when the Monami6 finish the current > charter items. > > regards, > ryuji > > > > > > > > On 2006/11/15, at 2:37, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > >> Tsirtsis, George wrote: >>> Alex, >>> Based on the discussion below we should be able to agree on the >>> following: >>> Flow Binding works for NEMO as long as the MR can control the >>> process e.g., based on generic or LFN/MNN specific configuration in >>> the MR. There is additional work that may need to be done if one >>> wants an MNN/LFN to dynamically request certain behavior from the >>> MR. >>> Is this a fair statement? >> >> Yes. >> >> Alex >> >>> George >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexandru Petrescu >>>> [mailto:alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com] Sent: Tuesday, November >>>> 14, 2006 11:02 AM To: Monami6 WG Cc: Soliman, Hesham Subject: Re: >>>> [Monami6] flow bindings are not for NEMO >>>> Tsirtsis, George wrote: >>>>> But Alex, this happens already in the internet. Routers load balance >>>>> traffic on behalf of end nodes every day and the end >>>>> nodes are not involved. >>>> This is fixed end nodes, not mobiles, with homogeneous links - >>>> almost always stable. >>>> It is also a model where ISP routers load balance traffic, and >>>> subscribers pay for higher quality of service. In smallest NEMO >>>> contexts (PAN) there wouldn't be such relationships between MR >>>> and LFN - both would be owned by same person. >>>>> In a lot of NEMO applications this is still likely to be sufficient. >>>> Ok. >>>>> What you are arguing for is a *new* thing, with which an end >>>>> node can instruct a router on how to route its traffic. >>>> Best effort routing should happen without end host involvement. >>>> But appreciative routing (load balancing, traffic shaping, >>>> whatever) are for end host. >>>>> I would argue that this is separate and thus out of scope of >>>>> the basic functionality needed for MHs/MRs for flow bindings. >>>> You seem to say not only out of scope, but also MRs have the >>>> right to load-balance regardless of LFNs' preferences; and you >>>> seem to agree NEMO already does that for the prefix. >>>> I agree out of scope. >>>> I don't agree MRs should ever load balance on behalf of LFNs >>>> without proper authorization. >>>> I don't agree MR does anything insecure for MNP (HA prohibits it) >>>> and hence it shouldn't be allowed to do anything insecure for >>>> flows >>> either. >>>> We may turn in circles :-) >>>> Let's look at the looping problem: what do MH's preferences >>>> become when connecting to a MR? 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Thread-Index: AccIx2PcaJ3U4ir2RVK7rgkNJ5mxTQAAzODA From: "Vijay Devarapalli" To: "Jean-Michel Combes" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: nemo@ietf.org, jeanmichel.combes@orange-ftgroup.com Subject: [nemo] RE: [IETF - Nemo] Personal Mobile Router: Next Step? X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jean-Michel, if there is more interest, I can write something up in the form of requirements. I was hoping more people would have gone to the mike and said=20 something. the only person who went to the mike was Hesham who asked a "not so relevant" question. :) Vijay=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean-Michel Combes [mailto:jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:05 AM > To: Vijay Devarapalli > Cc: jeanmichel.combes@orange-ftgroup.com > Subject: [IETF - Nemo] Personal Mobile Router: Next Step? >=20 > Hi Vijay, >=20 > Further to your (too) short presentation in the Nemo session at San > Diego, I would like to know what is your goal regarding the Personal > Mobile Router. Do you expect to submit a draft in the Nemo WG on the > requirements for such a use case? >=20 > Thanks for the information. >=20 > Best regards. >=20 > JMC. >=20 From beaten@parksidechurch.com Wed Nov 15 13:41:23 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkPhL-0008Jl-O2 for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:41:23 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkPhL-0006ZN-Jf for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:41:23 -0500 Received: from [201.244.98.224] (helo=corporativos24498-224.etb.net.co) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkPhG-00037Z-DW for nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:41:21 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c708e5$a2142270$00000000@bochica> From: "writer Birds" To: nemo-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: xgeek Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:41:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C708BB.B93E1A70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: fca741f5016e6ff607eaed2fd431d10d ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C708BB.B93E1A70 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000E_01C708BB.B93E1A70" ------=_NextPart_001_000E_01C708BB.B93E1A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stuart Sayger art his Shiver! 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from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkQPI-0002sC-Nc for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:26:48 -0500 Received: from ndjsvws01.ndc.nasa.gov ([198.120.25.81]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkQPE-0003GX-1t for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:26:48 -0500 Received: from ndjsxgw01.ndc.nasa.gov ([129.166.32.111]) by NDJSVWS01.ndc.nasa.gov with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:26:36 -0600 Received: from NDJSEVS15.ndc.nasa.gov ([129.166.32.125]) by ndjsxgw01.ndc.nasa.gov with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:26:35 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [nemo] RE: [IETF - Nemo] Personal Mobile Router: Next Step? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:26:22 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [nemo] RE: [IETF - Nemo] Personal Mobile Router: Next Step? Thread-Index: AccIx2PcaJ3U4ir2RVK7rgkNJ5mxTQAAzODAAAfiqdA= From: "Ivancic, William D. $GRC-RCN0$" To: "Vijay Devarapalli" , "Jean-Michel Combes" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 19:26:35.0022 (UTC) FILETIME=[F68E82E0:01C708EB] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 25620135586de10c627e3628c432b04a Cc: nemo@ietf.org, jeanmichel.combes@orange-ftgroup.com X-BeenThere: nemo@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: NEMO Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: nemo-bounces@ietf.org Vijay and Jen-Micheal: I would think some of the major router companies would be interested in Personal Mobile Routers with regard to first responders and military. Or, perhaps they are thinking manet will fit there needs (nemos are "relatively" easy to secure if route optimization is not an issue. =20 I've looked at the problem for highway patrol and other first responders a while ago and there appears to be a need. For first responders - particularly police and other law enforcement officials, security is an issue. Nemo requires infrastructure which may not exist in military applications but either exists or is relatively easy to create for first responders. "Ohio State Highway Patrol Secure Mobile Networking Demonstration - A Technical Overview of the Network and Data Flow" Columbus, Ohio November 6, 2003. (Powerpoint) file size 3,795,768 bytes http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic/papers_presentations/2003/OSHP.ppt I hope this helps. =20 Will ****************************** William D. Ivancic Phone 216-433-3494 Fax 216-433-8705 Lab 216-433-2620 Mobile 440-503-4892 http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~ivancic=20 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Vijay Devarapalli [mailto:Vijay.Devarapalli@AzaireNet.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:29 AM > To: Jean-Michel Combes > Cc: nemo@ietf.org; jeanmichel.combes@orange-ftgroup.com > Subject: [nemo] RE: [IETF - Nemo] Personal Mobile Router: Next Step? >=20 > Hi Jean-Michel, >=20 > if there is more interest, I can write something up in the=20 > form of requirements. I was hoping more people would have=20 > gone to the mike and said something. the only person who went=20 > to the mike was Hesham who asked a "not so relevant" question. :) >=20 > Vijay=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jean-Michel Combes [mailto:jeanmichel.combes@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:05 AM > > To: Vijay Devarapalli > > Cc: jeanmichel.combes@orange-ftgroup.com > > Subject: [IETF - Nemo] Personal Mobile Router: Next Step? > >=20 > > Hi Vijay, > >=20 > > Further to your (too) short presentation in the Nemo session at San=20 > > Diego, I would like to know what is your goal regarding the=20 > Personal=20 > > Mobile Router. Do you expect to submit a draft in the Nemo=20 > WG on the=20 > > requirements for such a use case? > >=20 > > Thanks for the information. > >=20 > > Best regards. > >=20 > > JMC. > >=20 >=20 From nemo-bounces@ietf.org Wed Nov 15 16:55:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkSiQ-00046P-C4; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:54:42 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkSiO-00046K-1u for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:54:40 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkSiM-0005wd-OI for nemo@ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:54:40 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2006 13:54:38 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,426,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="755583635:sNHT47200324" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAFLsceT009424; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:54:38 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAFLsbir026606; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:54:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:54:33 -0800 Received: from cisco.com ([10.32.246.212]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:54:33 -0800 Message-ID: <455B8C99.7060809@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:54:33 -0800 From: Sri Gundavelli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vijay Devarapalli Subject: Re: [nemo] RE: [IETF - Nemo] Personal Mobile Router: Next Step? 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