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From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 12 10:32:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: msec-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FEC3A68B3; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23D03A6870 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOQFV2bp6hCS for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E8D3A68B3 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:25 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,212,1228089600"; d="scan'208";a="117523119" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 18:32:19 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mBCIWKwa031655; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:20 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBCIWJ0g008442; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:20 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 Received: from stealth-10-32-254-214.cisco.com ([10.32.254.214]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:18 -0800 Message-Id: <983AB158-1D22-45C3-8304-16FAA46D4181@cisco.com> From: David McGrew To: Black_David@emc.com In-Reply-To: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A01074B18@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:17 -0800 References: <961548A6-49DC-4BCE-907E-F936F599808A@cisco.com> <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A01074B18@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2008 18:32:19.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7186040:01C95C87] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2998; t=1229106740; x=1229970740; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mcgrew@cisco.com; z=From:=20David=20McGrew=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20MSEC=20WGLC=20on=20draft-ietf-msec-ipse c-group-counter-modes-02 |Sender:=20; bh=gz66/+d9WkSZcsqv49sFXTq5aJMgnpTrHkCng6XCvwE=; b=oCYWLfFeghe8UBcG1iw0d+fhWDyXRubmnXrXolQ9ZnLiKLxC4g1pd6Mt/U laEgalo0V2ZuglGPkQZLjPYBD6Q5Q5al+pueA7rnnlyru1nOqtnb4TttuMq1 ov67UOA6ul; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=mcgrew@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] MSEC WGLC on draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-group-counter-modes-02 X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi David, thanks for the comments, more inline: On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > Last week, the authors of this draft asked me to take a look > at it. I apologize for these comments coming slightly after > WG Last Call ends, and thank the authors in advance for their > patience in waiting for these comments. > > Overall, the draft looks good, and I think support for further > use of these modes is a "good thing". I have a couple of minor > comments: > > (1) I would add a sentence to either Section 3 (IV formation) > or section 6 (Security Considerations) to the effect that the > security properties of these modes do not rely upon > unpredictability of the initial IV values (IV sequences for > counter modes tend to be predictable for obvious reasons). > On initial reading, I was concerned about potential SID > use of 2 octets out of an 8-octet IV, and such a sentence > would remove that concern. Section 2, par 1 ends like this: "That is, for each key, no IV value can be used more than once. This restriction on IV usage is imposed on ESP CTR, ESP GCM, and ESP CCM. In cryptographic terms, the IV is a nonce." Right after that, we could add: "(Note that CBC mode requires IVs that are unpredictable. CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM do not have these restrictions.) I'm fine with adding something in Section 3 or 6 too. In Section 3 we could say "Neither the SID nor the SSIV fields need to be unpredictable. The uniqueness requirements described above meet all of the security requirements of CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM modes." Wordsmithing welcome. > > > (2) The first two bullet items in Section 4 are not as clear > as they could be: > - It is unclear whether the first requirement applies across > all SAs, or on an SA by SA basis. Good point. I suggest something like" "For each SA for which sender identifiers are used, the GKMS MUST NOT give the same sender identifier to more than one active group member ... " > > - There is almost no discussion about what happens if the > SHOULD in the second bullet is not followed. > I think the first requirement is on an SA by SA basis (that > should be stated), and then the explanation of the SHOULD in > the second requirement can be two-fold: > - Avoids need to manage SIDs on a per-SA basis in not only > the GKMS, but also the senders (the latter is probably > the more important consideration). > - Avoids any need to change/issue SIDs when rekeying an SA. > Only the latter point appears to be mentioned. > Sounds good to me. Thanks again! David > Thanks, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer > EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 > +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 > black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 12 10:32:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: msec-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FEC3A68B3; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23D03A6870 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOQFV2bp6hCS for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E8D3A68B3 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:25 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,212,1228089600"; d="scan'208";a="117523119" Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2008 18:32:19 +0000 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mBCIWKwa031655; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:20 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBCIWJ0g008442; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:20 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:19 -0800 Received: from stealth-10-32-254-214.cisco.com ([10.32.254.214]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:18 -0800 Message-Id: <983AB158-1D22-45C3-8304-16FAA46D4181@cisco.com> From: David McGrew To: Black_David@emc.com In-Reply-To: <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A01074B18@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:32:17 -0800 References: <961548A6-49DC-4BCE-907E-F936F599808A@cisco.com> <9FA859626025B64FBC2AF149D97C944A01074B18@CORPUSMX80A.corp.emc.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2008 18:32:19.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7186040:01C95C87] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=2998; t=1229106740; x=1229970740; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=mcgrew@cisco.com; z=From:=20David=20McGrew=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20MSEC=20WGLC=20on=20draft-ietf-msec-ipse c-group-counter-modes-02 |Sender:=20; bh=gz66/+d9WkSZcsqv49sFXTq5aJMgnpTrHkCng6XCvwE=; b=oCYWLfFeghe8UBcG1iw0d+fhWDyXRubmnXrXolQ9ZnLiKLxC4g1pd6Mt/U laEgalo0V2ZuglGPkQZLjPYBD6Q5Q5al+pueA7rnnlyru1nOqtnb4TttuMq1 ov67UOA6ul; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=mcgrew@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); Cc: msec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [MSEC] MSEC WGLC on draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-group-counter-modes-02 X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hi David, thanks for the comments, more inline: On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > Last week, the authors of this draft asked me to take a look > at it. I apologize for these comments coming slightly after > WG Last Call ends, and thank the authors in advance for their > patience in waiting for these comments. > > Overall, the draft looks good, and I think support for further > use of these modes is a "good thing". I have a couple of minor > comments: > > (1) I would add a sentence to either Section 3 (IV formation) > or section 6 (Security Considerations) to the effect that the > security properties of these modes do not rely upon > unpredictability of the initial IV values (IV sequences for > counter modes tend to be predictable for obvious reasons). > On initial reading, I was concerned about potential SID > use of 2 octets out of an 8-octet IV, and such a sentence > would remove that concern. Section 2, par 1 ends like this: "That is, for each key, no IV value can be used more than once. This restriction on IV usage is imposed on ESP CTR, ESP GCM, and ESP CCM. In cryptographic terms, the IV is a nonce." Right after that, we could add: "(Note that CBC mode requires IVs that are unpredictable. CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM do not have these restrictions.) I'm fine with adding something in Section 3 or 6 too. In Section 3 we could say "Neither the SID nor the SSIV fields need to be unpredictable. The uniqueness requirements described above meet all of the security requirements of CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM modes." Wordsmithing welcome. > > > (2) The first two bullet items in Section 4 are not as clear > as they could be: > - It is unclear whether the first requirement applies across > all SAs, or on an SA by SA basis. Good point. I suggest something like" "For each SA for which sender identifiers are used, the GKMS MUST NOT give the same sender identifier to more than one active group member ... " > > - There is almost no discussion about what happens if the > SHOULD in the second bullet is not followed. > I think the first requirement is on an SA by SA basis (that > should be stated), and then the explanation of the SHOULD in > the second requirement can be two-fold: > - Avoids need to manage SIDs on a per-SA basis in not only > the GKMS, but also the senders (the latter is probably > the more important consideration). > - Avoids any need to change/issue SIDs when rekeying an SA. > Only the latter point appears to be mentioned. > Sounds good to me. Thanks again! David > Thanks, > --David > ---------------------------------------------------- > David L. 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From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 18 01:28:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: msec-archive@optimus.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B123A6B10; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BA03A69C9; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H2D9oDyZYWCI; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91783A68C0; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,242,1228086000"; d="scan'208";a="18623058" Received: from ornon.inrialpes.fr (HELO [194.199.24.115]) ([194.199.24.115]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Dec 2008 10:28:28 +0100 Message-ID: <494A17BC.3040100@inrialpes.fr> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:28:28 +0100 From: Vincent Roca User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: faurite@lcpc.fr, rmt@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07] X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hello everybody, For your information... This 07 version of TESLA includes the latest changes discussed during Minneapolis meeting (sha-1 to sha-256 migration and IANA repository). It's therefore ready for a 2nd WGLC. The I-D: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07.txt http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07 The diff with 06 version: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07.txt Cheers, Aurelien, Sebastien and Vincent -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: IETF I-D Submission Tool To: vincent.roca@inria.fr CC: aurelien.francillon@inria.fr, faurite@lcpc.fr A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07.txt has been successfuly submitted by Vincent Roca and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm Revision: 07 Title: Use of TESLA in the ALC and NORM Protocols Creation_date: 2008-12-18 WG ID: msec Number_of_pages: 65 Abstract: This document details the TESLA packet source authentication and packet integrity verification protocol and its integration within the ALC and NORM content delivery protocols. This document only considers the authentication/integrity verification of the packets generated by the session's sender. The authentication and integrity verification of the packets sent by receivers, if any, is out of the scope of this document. The IETF Secretariat. _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 18 01:28:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: msec-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B123A6B10; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BA03A69C9; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H2D9oDyZYWCI; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91783A68C0; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,242,1228086000"; d="scan'208";a="18623058" Received: from ornon.inrialpes.fr (HELO [194.199.24.115]) ([194.199.24.115]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Dec 2008 10:28:28 +0100 Message-ID: <494A17BC.3040100@inrialpes.fr> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:28:28 +0100 From: Vincent Roca User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: msec@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Cc: faurite@lcpc.fr, rmt@ietf.org Subject: [MSEC] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07] X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org Hello everybody, For your information... This 07 version of TESLA includes the latest changes discussed during Minneapolis meeting (sha-1 to sha-256 migration and IANA repository). It's therefore ready for a 2nd WGLC. The I-D: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07.txt http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07 The diff with 06 version: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07.txt Cheers, Aurelien, Sebastien and Vincent -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: IETF I-D Submission Tool To: vincent.roca@inria.fr CC: aurelien.francillon@inria.fr, faurite@lcpc.fr A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-07.txt has been successfuly submitted by Vincent Roca and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm Revision: 07 Title: Use of TESLA in the ALC and NORM Protocols Creation_date: 2008-12-18 WG ID: msec Number_of_pages: 65 Abstract: This document details the TESLA packet source authentication and packet integrity verification protocol and its integration within the ALC and NORM content delivery protocols. This document only considers the authentication/integrity verification of the packets generated by the session's sender. The authentication and integrity verification of the packets sent by receivers, if any, is out of the scope of this document. The IETF Secretariat. _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec From msec-bounces@ietf.org Thu Dec 18 03:02:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: msec-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-msec-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0117528C173; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:02:23 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: msec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74023A67C0; Thu, 18 Dec 2008 03:02:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.801, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_74=0.6, OBSCURED_EMAIL=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) 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bh=b5Wrq0K6ZQWQPJasTVh1FZ1JmNbBL9g/YaA2kQCgPjI=; b=NiQnYXX7CuEi8Iv0WeszTRmasBvDqu8Jx+Bw++Yjyq20MEs6vVcjcafS56 CLuW01o629IOCNRrJ8ZxrXx0rch/rVZtn218Gm2ktIAEe5jIiEqB6MairjxL qKcIyquXMS; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=bew@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); Cc: black_david@emc.com Subject: Re: [MSEC] MSEC WGLC on draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-group-counter-modes-02 X-BeenThere: msec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Multicast Security List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: msec-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: msec-bounces@ietf.org [Forwarding David Black's latest email.] From: Black_David@emc.com Date: December 12, 2008 2:51:14 PM PST To: Cc: , , , Subject: RE: MSEC WGLC on draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-group-counter-modes-02 David (M), (1)dding the note about IVs to the end of the first paragraph of Section 2 is a fine thing to do, IMHO. I would repeat that note at the end of the first paragraph of Section 6, as it is a security consideration. Beyond these two, I don't see a need to add anything to Section 3. (2) I agree with your suggestion for the first bullet in Section 4. That plus your plan to pick up my suggestions about the second bullet should suffice to clarify these bullets. Thanks, --David (B) > -----Original Message----- > From: David McGrew [mailto:mcgrew@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:32 PM > To: Black, David > Cc: msec@ietf.org; bew@cisco.com; ldondeti@qualcomm.com > Subject: Re: MSEC WGLC on draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-group-counter-modes-02 > > Hi David, > > thanks for the comments, more inline: > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > > >> Last week, the authors of this draft asked me to take a look >> at it. I apologize for these comments coming slightly after >> WG Last Call ends, and thank the authors in advance for their >> patience in waiting for these comments. >> >> Overall, the draft looks good, and I think support for further >> use of these modes is a "good thing". I have a couple of minor >> comments: >> >> (1) I would add a sentence to either Section 3 (IV formation) >> or section 6 (Security Considerations) to the effect that the >> security properties of these modes do not rely upon >> unpredictability of the initial IV values (IV sequences for >> counter modes tend to be predictable for obvious reasons). >> On initial reading, I was concerned about potential SID >> use of 2 octets out of an 8-octet IV, and such a sentence >> would remove that concern. >> > > Section 2, par 1 ends like this: > > "That is, for each key, no IV value can be used more than once. This > restriction on IV usage is imposed on ESP CTR, ESP GCM, and ESP CCM. > In cryptographic terms, the IV is a nonce." > > Right after that, we could add: "(Note that CBC mode requires > IVs that > are unpredictable. CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM do not have these > restrictions.) > > I'm fine with adding something in Section 3 or 6 too. In Section 3 > we could say "Neither the SID nor the SSIV fields need to be > unpredictable. The uniqueness requirements described above > meet all > of the security requirements of CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM modes." > > Wordsmithing welcome. > > >> >> >> (2) The first two bullet items in Section 4 are not as clear >> as they could be: >> - It is unclear whether the first requirement applies across >> all SAs, or on an SA by SA basis. >> > > Good point. I suggest something like" > > "For each SA for which sender identifiers are used, the GKMS > MUST NOT > give the same sender identifier to more than one active group > member ... " > > >> >> - There is almost no discussion about what happens if the >> SHOULD in the second bullet is not followed. >> I think the first requirement is on an SA by SA basis (that >> should be stated), and then the explanation of the SHOULD in >> the second requirement can be two-fold: >> - Avoids need to manage SIDs on a per-SA basis in not only >> the GKMS, but also the senders (the latter is probably >> the more important consideration). >> - Avoids any need to change/issue SIDs when rekeying an SA. >> Only the latter point appears to be mentioned. >> >> > > Sounds good to me. > > Thanks again! > > David > > >> Thanks, >> --David >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> David L. Black, Distinguished Engineer >> EMC Corporation, 176 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 >> +1 (508) 293-7953 FAX: +1 (508) 293-7786 >> black_david@emc.com Mobile: +1 (978) 394-7754 >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> -- Brian Weis Router/Switch Security Group, ARTG, Cisco Systems Telephone: +1 408 526 4796 Email: bew@cisco.com _______________________________________________ MSEC mailing list MSEC@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec Adding the note about IVs to the end of the first paragraph of Section 2 is a fine thing to do, IMHO. I would repeat that note at the end of the first paragraph of Section 6, as it is a security consideration. Beyond these two, I don't see a need to add anything to Section 3. (2) I agree with your suggestion for the first bullet in Section 4. That plus your plan to pick up my suggestions about the second bullet should suffice to clarify these bullets. Thanks, --David (B) > -----Original Message----- > From: David McGrew [mailto:mcgrew@cisco.com] > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 1:32 PM > To: Black, David > Cc: msec@ietf.org; bew@cisco.com; ldondeti@qualcomm.com > Subject: Re: MSEC WGLC on draft-ietf-msec-ipsec-group-counter-modes-02 > > Hi David, > > thanks for the comments, more inline: > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:30 PM, Black_David@emc.com wrote: > > >> Last week, the authors of this draft asked me to take a look >> at it. I apologize for these comments coming slightly after >> WG Last Call ends, and thank the authors in advance for their >> patience in waiting for these comments. >> >> Overall, the draft looks good, and I think support for further >> use of these modes is a "good thing". I have a couple of minor >> comments: >> >> (1) I would add a sentence to either Section 3 (IV formation) >> or section 6 (Security Considerations) to the effect that the >> security properties of these modes do not rely upon >> unpredictability of the initial IV values (IV sequences for >> counter modes tend to be predictable for obvious reasons). >> On initial reading, I was concerned about potential SID >> use of 2 octets out of an 8-octet IV, and such a sentence >> would remove that concern. >> > > Section 2, par 1 ends like this: > > "That is, for each key, no IV value can be used more than once. This > restriction on IV usage is imposed on ESP CTR, ESP GCM, and ESP CCM. > In cryptographic terms, the IV is a nonce." > > Right after that, we could add: "(Note that CBC mode requires > IVs that > are unpredictable. CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM do not have these > restrictions.) > > I'm fine with adding something in Section 3 or 6 too. In Section 3 > we could say "Neither the SID nor the SSIV fields need to be > unpredictable. The uniqueness requirements described above > meet all > of the security requirements of CTR, GCM, GMAC, and CCM modes." > > Wordsmithing welcome. > > >> >> >> (2) The first two bullet items in Section 4 are not as clear >> as they could be: >> - It is unclear whether the first requirement applies across >> all SAs, or on an SA by SA basis. >> > > Good point. I suggest something like" > > "For each SA for which sender identifiers are used, the GKMS > MUST NOT > give the same sender identifier to more than one active group > member ... " > > >> >> - There is almost no discussion about what happens if the >> SHOULD in the second bullet is not followed. >> I think the first requirement is on an SA by SA basis (that >> should be stated), and then the explanation of the SHOULD in >> the second requirement can be two-fold: >> - Avoids need to manage SIDs on a per-SA basis in not only >> the GKMS, but also the senders (the latter is probably >> the more important consideration). >> - Avoids any need to change/issue SIDs when rekeying an SA. >> Only the latter point appears to be mentioned. >> >> > > Sounds good to me. > > Thanks again! > > David > > >> Thanks, >> --David >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> David L. 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