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He was likewise From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 02 08:30:21 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfcXQ-0005VW-KY; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:23:20 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfcXO-0005Sj-0E for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:23:18 -0500 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfcX7-00057y-NC for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:23:17 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:22:28 +0100 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last callondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:22:28 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last callondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt Thread-Index: Acb1DSpF4zoRNfWVS4+Sz26C3QSaHQAlAJrgAjfffRA= From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Les Ginsberg \(ginsberg\)" , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2006 13:22:28.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1F10A60:01C6FE81] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f49c97ce49302a02285a2d36a99eef8c Cc: routing-discussion@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Lee Sorry for this late answer. Thanks for your comments, please see inline,=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsberg@cisco.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : dimanche 22 octobre 2006 08:37 > =C0 : zzx-adrian@olddog.co.uk; isis-wg@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org;=20 > mpls@lists.ietf.org > Cc : routing-discussion@ietf.org > Objet : [mpls] RE: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last=20 > callondraft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt=20 >=20 > In regards to the IS-IS definitions, there is (again - sorry=20 > JP...) confusion in the use of the terms TLV and subTLV. >=20 > For example, in Section 2 it states: >=20 > > A new TLV is defined for ISIS and OSPF: the TE Node Capability=20 > Descriptor TLV, to be carried within:=20 > - The ISIS Capability TLV ([ISIS-CAP]) for ISIS... > >=20 > If the information is carried within another TLV, then it is=20 > clearly subTLV information - the difference between the two=20 > is more than terminology since it impacts both the encoding=20 > and the scope of the identifiers which are assigned. >=20 > Section 4.2 then goes on to discuss: >=20 > "The format of the IS-IS TE Node Capability TLV" - which is,=20 > as pointed out above, actually a subTLV. >=20 > And then goes on to define "subsubTLVs" (which are=20 > incorrectly called subTLVs). >=20 > As "subsubTLVs" are new to IS-IS encoding some discussion of=20 > this added level of hierarchy is required. However, I think=20 > it might also be fair to entertain the possibility that the=20 > "TE Node Capability subTLV" be deleted and the "subsubTLVs"=20 > defined in the subsections of 4.2 be defined more directly as=20 > subTLVs of the IS-IS CAPs TLV. This is possible because as=20 > currently defined, the "TE Node Capability subTLV" has no=20 > information at the subTLV level - it is simply a container=20 > for the subsubTLV information. This would allow for a more=20 > efficient encoding without any loss of functionality. Thanks for pointing this out, we are going to delete the TE Node Cap = level and define the Control Plane Cap and Data plane Cap as sub-TLVs of = the ISIS Capability TLV. >=20 > Whatever the resolution, all the text relating to this must=20 > be reworded to be consistent and accurate. OK will be done >=20 > I would also prefer that the wording of the following=20 > sentence in Section 5.2: >=20 > "An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be discarded." >=20 > be changed to >=20 > "An empty TE Node Capability Descriptor MUST be ignored." >=20 > The term "discard" suggests that a router which leaks a CAP=20 > TLV containing TE node capability information might be=20 > required to modify the contents of that TLV - which is=20 > something to be avoided. OK, the text will be updated as per your proposal. Thanks, JL >=20 > Les >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 5:22 AM > > To: isis-wg@ietf.org; ospf@ietf.org; mpls@lists.ietf.org > > Cc: Brungard, Deborah A, ALABS; routing-discussion@ietf.org > > Subject: [Isis-wg] CCAMP Working group last call > ondraft-ietf-ccamp-te- > > node-cap-02.txt > >=20 > > Heads up. > >=20 > > The CCAMP working group is holding a working group last=20 > call on this=20 > > draft. > >=20 > > Your input is invited. > >=20 > > Please send comments direct to the CCAMP mailing list or to the WG > chairs > > (Deborah and/or me) if you are not subscribed to CCAMP. > >=20 > > Thanks, > > Adrian > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adrian Farrel" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 1:34 AM > > Subject: Working group last call on > draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-cap-02.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > > This starts a two week working group last on > > > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ccamp-te-node-c ap-02.txt > > > > > > Please send your comments to the CCAMP mailing list by 12 midnight > UK > > time > > > on Monday 30th October > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Adrian and Deborah > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Isis-wg mailing list > > Isis-wg@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/isis-wg >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From Lopezave@royalroses.nl Thu Nov 02 12:43:36 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfgbI-0007GB-1c; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:43:36 -0500 Received: from [164.77.218.137] (helo=BODEGA1) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GfgbD-0003Bq-A8; Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:43:36 -0500 Message-ID: <09077905787376.29E8E0CE59@QZ4C> From: "Lopez" To: Subject: Enjoy ssex with her! 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mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, First of all, my full support to the ID, this is for sure a needed =20 solution in several cases. Here are my comments/suggestions: 1) To be discussed next week (live will be easier): it might be =20 useful in some cases to tradeoff the rerouting times for the P2MP =20 backup efficiency, provided that the failure detection times stays =20 bounded of course and on the order of a few ms. Note that in =20 situations where P2MP backup may be useful, it may make sense to have =20= the PLR not immediately upstream to the protected element. We can use =20= an distributed bidding mechanism to determine the PLR based on the =20 P2MP backup cost and the distance between the PLR and the protected =20 element. 2) In the introduction, don't you want to indicate that the use of =20 bypass P2MP tunnels may lead to more states compared to the P2P case =20 because of the requirement to fully intersect the protected primary ? 3) Trade-off between a set of P2P, one P2MP bypass tunnels and a set =20 of P2MP bypass tunnels. There are cases where it might be preferable =20 to use a set of P2P because of the number of states if the PLR has to =20= protect a large number of primary P2MP tunnels and the PLR cannot =20 find a good overlapping bypass P2MP. An alternative is also to use a =20 "few" P2MP bypass tunnels in that case: the PLR would have to do some =20= replication but still much less than with P2P bypass tunnels. 3) It would be useful to indicate that a P2MP TE LSP may be protected =20= by some PLRs using P2P and by other PLRs using P2MP bypass tunnel =20 along the protected P2MP primary path (thus comment 5)). 5) It might be useful to define: * a flag in the LSP-ATTRIBUTE to indicate at each PLR whether the =20 primary P2MP TE LSP is protected by a set of P2P bypass tunnels or =20 one P2MP bypass tunnel * a flag in the LSP-ATTRIBUTE to report "Partial" protection of the =20 primary P2MP TE LSP, by partial I'm referring to the ability to only =20 find a P2MP backup that does not fully intersect the primary TE LSP. =20 Or is partial protection simply not supported? Comment in line (Search for JP>) Network Working Group J.L. Le Roux Internet Draft France Telecom Category: Standard Track Expires: February 2007 R. Aggarwal Juniper =20 Networks August =20 2006 P2MP MPLS-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Status of this Memo By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that =20 other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six =20 months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet- Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. Abstract This document defines procedures for fast reroute protection of point-to-multipoint (P2MP) MPLS-TE LSPs, with point-to-multipoint bypass tunnels. During branch node failure the traffic on a =20 protected P2MP TE-LSP is tunneled within a P2MP bypass tunnel towards the set of Merge Points. To avoid data duplication, the backup label is assigned by the PLR following the RSVP-TE upstream label assignment procedure. Le Roux, Aggarwal Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels [Page 1] =0C Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 Conventions used in this document The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in =20 this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119. Table of Contents 1. =20 Terminology.................................................2 2. =20 Introduction................................................3 3. Solution =20 overview...........................................3 4. PLR =20 procedures..............................................4 4.1. Before =20 failure..............................................4 4.2. During =20 failure..............................................5 5. MP =20 Procedures...............................................5 6. Backward =20 compatibility......................................6 7. Security =20 Considerations.....................................6 8. =20 References..................................................6 8.1. Normative =20 references........................................6 9. Authors' =20 Addresses:.........................................7 10. Intellectual Property =20 Statement.............................7 1. Terminology This document uses terminologies defined in [RFC3031], [RFC3209], [RFC4090] and [RFC4461]. It defines the following new terms: P2MP Bypass tunnel: Point-to-Multipoint Bypass Tunnel. A P2MP TE- LSP that is used to protect a set of P2MP TE-LSPs traversing a common node. The Ingress LSR of a P2MP bypass tunnel is the PLR and the leaf LSRs are a set of LSRs, on the protected P2MP LSP, downstream of the protected node. P2MP Facility Backup: A local repair method in which a P2MP bypass tunnel is used to protect one or more P2MP TE-LSPs that traverse the PLR (P2MP Bypass Ingress), the resource being protected, and the set of Merge Points (P2MP Bypass leaves) downstream to the protected resource. Backup P2MP LSP: The LSP that is used to backup up one of the many protected P2MP LSPs in P2MP Facility Backup. Backup S2L sub-LSP: A S2L sub-LSP of a backup P2MP LSP. . Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 2] =0C Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 JP> It might be useful to define the notion of overlapping P2MP =20 Bypass tunnel where's all the leaf LSRs of the bypass tunnel intersect the =20 protected primary P2MP tunnel. 2. Introduction [RFC4090] defines fast reroute extensions to RSVP-TE for local protection of P2P MPLS TE LSPs. Two techniques are defined: the one- to-one backup method, which creates a detour LSP for each protected LSP at each PLR, and the facility backup method, which creates a bypass tunnel that can be used to protect a set of LSPs by taking advantage of MPLS label stacking. [RSVP-P2MP] defines extensions to RSVP-TE for setting up P2MP TE- LSPs. It specifies extensions to one-to-one and facility backup Fast Reroute procedures defined in [RFC4090] so as to support fast =20 reroute protection of P2MP LSPs. The facility backup solution defined in [RSVP-P2MP] only relies on P2P bypass tunnels for link and node protection. This faces the following limitation: The protection of a P2MP LSP against node failures requires, when the protected node is a Branch LSR, a set of P2P Next Next Hop (NNHOP) Bypass tunnels towards all LSRs downstream to the protected node. During failure the PLR has to replicate traffic on each P2P NNHOP bypass tunnel, and this may lead to significant inefficient bandwidth usage. To overcome this limitation it is highly desired to define =20 extensions to the fast reroute facility backup solution, so as to support P2MP Bypass tunnels. JP> See my previous comments regarding the trade-off between number =20 of states and backup tunnel efficiency. This draft specifies extensions to the Fast Reroute procedures defined in [RFC4090] and [RSVP-P2MP] to support P2MP TE-LSP node protection with P2MP bypass tunnels. Procedures defined in [RFC4090] and [RSVP-P2MP] MUST be followed unless specified below. 3. Solution overview The P2MP Facility Backup method defined in this document relies on the use of P2MP bypass tunnels. A P2MP bypass tunnel can be used to protect a set of P2MP TE-LSPs by taking advantage of MPLS label stacking. A P2MP Bypass tunnel is used to protect a P2MP TE-LSP against branch LSR failures. The bypass tunnel head-end is the PLR, and the bypass tunnel leaf LSRs are the set of MPs, that is the set of LSRs downstream to the protected branch node, on the protected P2MP TE-=20= LSP. The P2MP bypass tunnel protects the set of S2L sub-LSPs that transit the protected node. When P2MP facility backup method is used, during failure the PLR =20 MUST send data for each protected P2MP LSP into the P2MP bypass tunnel. Label stacking is used: The inner label is the backup label for the backup P2MP LSP, that will be used on the MP to forward traffic to Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 3] =0C Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 the corresponding protected P2MP LSP, and the outer label is the =20 P2MP bypass tunnel label. To avoid data replication on the PLR, the same backup label MUST be used for all S2L sub-LSPs towards all MPs of a given backup P2MP =20 LSP. This backup label will indicate to the MPs that packets received =20 with that label should be switched along the protected P2MP LSP. For that purpose upstream label assignment procedures defined in [MPLS-UPSTREAM] and RSVP-TE extensions for upstream label assignment defined in [RSVP-UP] MUST be used. To signal a backup P2MP LSP, the same backup label, is distributed by the PLR to the set of MPs, in the context of the P2MP bypass tunnel. This requires the backup P2MP LSP to be signalled prior to the failure. JP> Which is required anyway to guarantee fast rerouting and always =20 the case for Protection recovery (by contrast with recovery) On the MP, backup S2L sub-LSPs (i.e. S2L sub-LSPs of the backup P2MP LSP) are merged with protected S2L sub-LSPs. The MPs, (i.e. the bypass tunnel leaf LSRs), maintain a context specific ILM JP> Spell ? for the P2MP Bypass tunnel. The context of an inner label (i.e a backup =20 label) is determined by the underlying P2MP bypass tunnel on which it is received. This requires deactivating PHP on the P2MP bypass =20 tunnel. A label, in a given Bypass tunnel specific ILM, is mapped to the outgoing interfaces and labels of the corresponding protected P2MP LSP. 4. PLR procedures 4.1. Before failure To protect a P2MP LSP against a branch node failure, a PLR MUST JP> The MUST is what I propose to change (see comments above) =20 depending on the path quality for the P2MP bypass, number of states, ... compared to using =20 P2P bypass. select a P2MP bypass tunnel with a set of leaf LSRs with the following properties: - These leaf LSRs are transit or egress LSRs on the protected P2MP LSP. We will denote this subset as {LSR1.LSRn}. - {LSR1.LSRn} are downstream of the protected node on the Protected P2MP LSP. - In the event of failure of the protected node, traffic received on the protected P2MP LSP by the PLR, can be delivered to all the leaves of the protected P2MP LSP downstream to the failed node, if it is tunnelled to {LSR1.LSRn} over the P2MP bypass. JP> This is where we could discuss using one or more P2MP bypass (if =20 non overlapping) PHP MUST be deactivated on the P2MP Bypass tunnel, in order to allow MPs to determine the context for the backup labels assigned by the PLR. The backup label (i.e. the inner label) used for every backup S2L sub-LSPs, (i.e. the inner label within the P2MP bypass tunnel), of a given backup P2MP LSP MUST be the same, so as to avoid traffic replication on the PLR. This label MUST be assigned by the PLR using upstream label assignment procedures. Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 4] =0C Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 Backup P2MP LSPs MUST be signaled prior to the failure. To signal the backup P2MP LSP, the PLR MUST send one or more Path messages to each MP. The Path messages to signal a backup P2MP LSP are sent to the MPs using directed signaling; they are addressed to the MPs, without Router Alert option. The PLR MUST use the sender template specific method to identify a Path message for a backup P2MP LSPs. Hence the PLR will set the source address in the sender template to a local PLR address. A Path message to a given MP comprises one or more backup S2L sub- LSPs that transit through this MP. The backup label MUST be assigned by the PLR, in the context of the underlying P2MP Bypass tunnel, following upstream label assignment and P2MP RSVP-TE context identification procedures defined in [RSVP- UP]. Hence, a Path message sent to a MP for a backup P2MP LSP MUST include an Upstream Assigned Label object carrying the value of the backup label. It MUST also include an RSVP-TE P2MP LSP TLV within an IF_ID RSVP TLV, that carries the session object of the underlying P2MP Bypass tunnel. This allows MPs to identify the label space of the backup label assigned by the PLR. The same backup label MUST be sent to all MPs of a protected P2MP LSP. Note that the PLR MUST continue to refresh Path messages for the protected P2MP LSP along the nominal route. The processing of backup S2L sub-LSP SEROs/SRROs MUST follow backup LSP ERO/RRO processing described in [RFC4090]. 4.2. During failure When the PLR detects a link or/and node failure condition, it has to reroute a protected P2MP LSP onto the P2MP bypass tunnel using as inner label the backup label assigned for this P2MP LSP. The PLR MUST continue to send Path messages for the backup P2MP LSP. JP> Need to discuss the replication of Path messages by the branch =20 node along the backup P2P LSP The RRO/ERO flags MUST be updated as per defined in [RFC4090] 5. MP Procedures A MP receives one or more Path messages for the protected P2MP LSP and one or more Path messages for the backup P2MP LSP. Note that, as specified in [RFC4090], the reception of a backup =20 LSP's Path message does not indicate that a failure has occurred or that the incoming protected LSP will no longer be used. A S2L sub-LSP is received JP> "Received" confusing terminology within a Path message for the protected P2MP LSP and within a Path message for the backup P2MP LSP. These =20= two Path messages are distinguished thanks to the sender-template specific method. As specified in [RFC4090], each of these Path messages will have a different SENDER_TEMPLATE. The protected LSP can be recognized because it will include the FAST_REROUTE object or Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 5] =0C Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 have the "local protection desired" flag set in the =20 SESSION_ATTRIBUTE object, or both. A MP MUST install the upstream assigned label received in a backup LSP Path message, within an ILM specific to the underlying bypass tunnel, which is identified by its session object, carried within =20= the IF_ID RSVP_HOP object of the backup Path message. An upstream assigned label for a backup P2MP LSP MUST be mapped to the outgoing interfaces and labels of the corresponding protected P2MP LSP. As specified in [RSVP-UP], the Resv message sent by a MP to the PLR, does not carry any Label Object. The processing of backup S2L sub-LSP SEROs/SRROs MUST follow backup tunnel ERO/RRO processing described in [RFC4090]. 6. Backward compatibility Procedures with MPs that do not support upstream label assignment =20= are to be defined (combination of P2P and P2MP bypass LSPs). 7. Security Considerations No new security issues are raised in this document. 8. References 8.1. Normative references [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997. [RFC3031] E. Rosen, A. Viswanathan, R. Callon, "MPLS Architecture", RFC 3031. [RFC3209] D. Awduche et al., "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP Tunnels", RFC3209. [RFC4461] S. Yasukawa et al., "Signaling Requirements for Point-to- Multipoint Traffic-Engineered MPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs)", RFC4461. [RFC4090] Pan, Swallow, Atlas, et al., "Fast Reroute Extensions to RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels", RFC4090. [RSVP-P2MP] Aggarwal, Papadimitriou, Yasukawa, "Extensions to =20 RSVP-TE for Point to Multipoint TE LSPs", draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-rsvp-te, work in progress. [MPLS-UPSTREAM] Aggarwal, Rekhter, Rosen, "MPLS Upstream Label Assignment and Context Specific Label Space", draft-ietf-mpls- upstream-label, work in progress. Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 6] =0C Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 [RSVP-UP] Aggarwal, Le Roux, " MPLS Upstream Label Assignment for RSVP-TE", draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-upstream, work in progress. 9. Authors' Addresses: Jean-Louis Le Roux France Telecom 2, avenue Pierre-Marzin 22307 Lannion Cedex FRANCE Email: jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com Rahul Aggarwal Juniper Networks 1194 North Mathilda Ave. Sunnyvale, CA 94089 Email: rahul@juniper.net 10. Intellectual Property Statement The IETF takes no position regarding the validity or scope of any Intellectual Property Rights or other rights that might be =20 claimed to pertain to the implementation or use of the technology described in this document or the extent to which any license under such rights might or might not be available; nor does it represent that it has made any independent effort to identify any such rights. =20 Information on the procedures with respect to rights in RFC documents can be found in BCP 78 and BCP 79. 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Disclaimer of Validity This document and the information contained herein are provided =20 on an "AS IS" basis and THE CONTRIBUTOR, THE ORGANIZATION HE/SHE =20 REPRESENTS OR IS SPONSORED BY (IF ANY), THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 7] =0C Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Copyright Statement Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2006). This document is subject to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights. 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1Gg3Pf-0002JU-O4 for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:10 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO beta.jnpr.net) ([172.24.18.109]) by kremlin.juniper.net with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2006 10:02:21 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,386,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="604136371:sNHT419344646" Received: from c1554388a ([172.23.8.67]) by beta.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:05:04 -0800 From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: "Asaf Henig" , , Subject: RE: [mpls] Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD40D@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2006 18:05:04.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[96AEF1C0:01C6FF72] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > 1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode (penultimate-hop-popping) ? > > Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a > regular lsp and the packet is sent with the proper label X > (shimmed between L2 and L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a > LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv. > This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without > any shimmed label due to the use of > PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC > sub-TLV to account for the missing Label that was popped. The > question is which LSR insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that > initiated the echo-request doesn't know in advance if the label > is going to be popped at the penultimate LSR. Moreover the > penultimate LSR it self cannot add this FEC since it has no > trigger to process the packet as he recieves a regular labeled > packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding procedures. ? > It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use > Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?. > The ingress LSR that initiates the request should add the NIL-FEC in addition to the FEC being tested. One can associate the EXPLICIT-NULL label with the NIL FEC. That wat the ingress LSR does not need to know if the PHP will be used or not. If PHP is used, egress will receive the packet with EXPLICIT-NULL label. If PHP is not-used, egress will receive the packet with 2+ labels. In both cases, egress should do the right thing by popping 2 labels and recognizing that it is the egress for the LSP. IMHO no additional FECs should be added by the penultimate LSR during switching. Section 3.2.15 (NIL-FEC) talks about using reserved label-space for labels associated with NIL-FEC. As long as the egress LSR does the *right thing* when it encounters reserved labels, things should work. Using EXPLICIT-NULL label I guess makes sure that things will work...since vendors probably handle that correctly. Nitin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Nov 03 13:10:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pj-0000xR-Vb; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pi-0000x4-2L for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:10 -0500 Received: from kremlin.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pf-0002JV-O4 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:10 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO beta.jnpr.net) ([172.24.18.109]) by kremlin.juniper.net with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2006 10:02:21 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,386,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="604136371:sNHT419344646" Received: from c1554388a ([172.23.8.67]) by beta.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:05:04 -0800 From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: "Asaf Henig" , , Subject: RE: [mpls] Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD40D@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2006 18:05:04.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[96AEF1C0:01C6FF72] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > 1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode (penultimate-hop-popping) ? > > Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a > regular lsp and the packet is sent with the proper label X > (shimmed between L2 and L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a > LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv. > This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without > any shimmed label due to the use of > PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC > sub-TLV to account for the missing Label that was popped. The > question is which LSR insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that > initiated the echo-request doesn't know in advance if the label > is going to be popped at the penultimate LSR. Moreover the > penultimate LSR it self cannot add this FEC since it has no > trigger to process the packet as he recieves a regular labeled > packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding procedures. ? > It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use > Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?. > The ingress LSR that initiates the request should add the NIL-FEC in addition to the FEC being tested. One can associate the EXPLICIT-NULL label with the NIL FEC. That wat the ingress LSR does not need to know if the PHP will be used or not. If PHP is used, egress will receive the packet with EXPLICIT-NULL label. If PHP is not-used, egress will receive the packet with 2+ labels. In both cases, egress should do the right thing by popping 2 labels and recognizing that it is the egress for the LSP. IMHO no additional FECs should be added by the penultimate LSR during switching. Section 3.2.15 (NIL-FEC) talks about using reserved label-space for labels associated with NIL-FEC. As long as the egress LSR does the *right thing* when it encounters reserved labels, things should work. Using EXPLICIT-NULL label I guess makes sure that things will work...since vendors probably handle that correctly. Nitin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Nov 03 13:10:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pj-0000xL-Dl; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pi-0000x3-2E for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:10 -0500 Received: from kremlin.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pf-0002JU-O4 for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:10 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO beta.jnpr.net) ([172.24.18.109]) by kremlin.juniper.net with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2006 10:02:21 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,386,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="604136371:sNHT419344646" Received: from c1554388a ([172.23.8.67]) by beta.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:05:04 -0800 From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: "Asaf Henig" , , Subject: RE: [mpls] Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD40D@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2006 18:05:04.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[96AEF1C0:01C6FF72] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > 1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode (penultimate-hop-popping) ? > > Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a > regular lsp and the packet is sent with the proper label X > (shimmed between L2 and L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a > LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv. > This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without > any shimmed label due to the use of > PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC > sub-TLV to account for the missing Label that was popped. The > question is which LSR insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that > initiated the echo-request doesn't know in advance if the label > is going to be popped at the penultimate LSR. Moreover the > penultimate LSR it self cannot add this FEC since it has no > trigger to process the packet as he recieves a regular labeled > packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding procedures. ? > It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use > Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?. > The ingress LSR that initiates the request should add the NIL-FEC in addition to the FEC being tested. One can associate the EXPLICIT-NULL label with the NIL FEC. That wat the ingress LSR does not need to know if the PHP will be used or not. If PHP is used, egress will receive the packet with EXPLICIT-NULL label. If PHP is not-used, egress will receive the packet with 2+ labels. In both cases, egress should do the right thing by popping 2 labels and recognizing that it is the egress for the LSP. IMHO no additional FECs should be added by the penultimate LSR during switching. Section 3.2.15 (NIL-FEC) talks about using reserved label-space for labels associated with NIL-FEC. As long as the egress LSR does the *right thing* when it encounters reserved labels, things should work. Using EXPLICIT-NULL label I guess makes sure that things will work...since vendors probably handle that correctly. Nitin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Nov 03 13:10:45 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pj-0000xR-Vb; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:11 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pi-0000x4-2L for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:10 -0500 Received: from kremlin.juniper.net ([207.17.137.120]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gg3Pf-0002JV-O4 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:05:10 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO beta.jnpr.net) ([172.24.18.109]) by kremlin.juniper.net with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2006 10:02:21 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,386,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="604136371:sNHT419344646" Received: from c1554388a ([172.23.8.67]) by beta.jnpr.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:05:04 -0800 From: "Nitin Bahadur" To: "Asaf Henig" , , Subject: RE: [mpls] Two Questions about LSP-ping/traceroute (RFC 4379) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:06:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD40D@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2006 18:05:04.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[96AEF1C0:01C6FF72] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 538aad3a3c4f01d8b6a6477ca4248793 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > -----Original Message----- > 1) How should LSP-ping deal with PHP mode (penultimate-hop-popping) ? > > Suppose I am sending an mpls echo request packet to check a > regular lsp and the packet is sent with the proper label X > (shimmed between L2 and L3) and a FEC Stack TLV which includes a > LDP-IpV4 sub-tlv. > This packet may reach its destination, some egress LER Y, without > any shimmed label due to the use of > PHP mode. Section 4.2 in RFC 4379 suggest that we use Nil-FEC > sub-TLV to account for the missing Label that was popped. The > question is which LSR insert this Nil-FEC. Note that the LER that > initiated the echo-request doesn't know in advance if the label > is going to be popped at the penultimate LSR. Moreover the > penultimate LSR it self cannot add this FEC since it has no > trigger to process the packet as he recieves a regular labeled > packet and simply performs a popping and forwarding procedures. ? > It is furthermore unclear wether in this case we should also use > Explicite Null label (label 0) or not?. > The ingress LSR that initiates the request should add the NIL-FEC in addition to the FEC being tested. One can associate the EXPLICIT-NULL label with the NIL FEC. That wat the ingress LSR does not need to know if the PHP will be used or not. If PHP is used, egress will receive the packet with EXPLICIT-NULL label. If PHP is not-used, egress will receive the packet with 2+ labels. In both cases, egress should do the right thing by popping 2 labels and recognizing that it is the egress for the LSP. IMHO no additional FECs should be added by the penultimate LSR during switching. Section 3.2.15 (NIL-FEC) talks about using reserved label-space for labels associated with NIL-FEC. As long as the egress LSR does the *right thing* when it encounters reserved labels, things should work. Using EXPLICIT-NULL label I guess makes sure that things will work...since vendors probably handle that correctly. Nitin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From axkpfztn@patanne.com Sun Nov 05 00:03:35 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgaAR-0001oW-Ht for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:03:35 -0500 Received: from [210.87.137.1] (helo=[210.87.137.1]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GgaAO-0002tR-Il for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 05 Nov 2006 00:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c70097$b9854890$018957d2@lenovo13bbbc45> From: "Reform: Soon" To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Council Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:03:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C700DA.C7A88890" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: f0b5a4216bfa030ed8a6f68d1833f8ae ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C700DA.C7A88890 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01C700DA.C7A88890" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01C700DA.C7A88890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Farwhy is need October comes may st migration was. 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Note that in situations where P2MP backup may be=20 > useful, it may make sense to have the PLR not immediately=20 > upstream to the protected element. We can use an distributed=20 > bidding mechanism to determine the PLR based on the P2MP=20 > backup cost and the distance between the PLR and the=20 > protected element. Yes I see what you mean.=20 In the topologies I have in mind this is not really a problem, but I = agree that what you suggest may be helpful in some specific topologies. By the way one may run BFD between the PLR and the protected node so as = to speed up the detection time. This needs to be futher investigated... Also a flag could be defined in the LSP ATTRIBUTE object to indicate = whether protection by the immediately upstream LSR is required or not... > 2) In the introduction, don't you want to indicate that the=20 > use of bypass P2MP tunnels may lead to more states compared=20 > to the P2P case because of the requirement to fully intersect=20 > the protected primary ? Yes we could add some text to discuss the tension between states and = bandwidth consuption, which is actually a classical tension in multicast = environments.=20 Here this is particularly true if bypass tunnel leaves exactly match the = set of Merge Points of a protected primary.=20 By the way, we need feedback on the possibility to rely on Bypass = tunnels whose leaves are actually a superset of the downstream Merge = Points. This would allow a given bypass to protect much more P2MP LSPs, = and would drastically reduce the number of bypass. The counter part is = that during failure traffic may be sent to LSRs that are not MPs, they = will drop the traffic (again the tension!) > 3) Trade-off between a set of P2P, one P2MP bypass tunnels=20 > and a set of P2MP bypass tunnels. There are cases where it=20 > might be preferable to use a set of P2P because of the number=20 > of states if the PLR has to protect a large number of primary=20 > P2MP tunnels and the PLR cannot find a good overlapping=20 > bypass P2MP. An alternative is also to use a "few" P2MP=20 > bypass tunnels in that case: the PLR would have to do some=20 > replication but still much less than with P2P bypass tunnels. This is a good point. This needs to be addressed in the draft. Note also that combination of P2MP and P2P Bypass may be required for = backward compatibility with MP that do not support upstream label = assignement. > 3) It would be useful to indicate that a P2MP TE LSP may be=20 > protected by some PLRs using P2P and by other PLRs using P2MP=20 > bypass tunnel along the protected P2MP primary path (thus comment 5)). Hum I'm not sure this is the role of the head-end to specifiy if P2P or = P2MP or both should be used on the PLR. To me this is a local decision = to the PLR. > 5) It might be useful to define: > * a flag in the LSP-ATTRIBUTE to indicate at each PLR whether=20 > the primary P2MP TE LSP is protected by a set of P2P bypass=20 > tunnels or one P2MP bypass tunnel I'm a bit sceptic, see above comment > * a flag in the LSP-ATTRIBUTE to report "Partial" protection=20 > of the primary P2MP TE LSP, by partial I'm referring to the=20 > ability to only find a P2MP backup that does not fully=20 > intersect the primary TE LSP. That would make sense. If carried within the LSP-ATTRIBUTE object this would indicate whether = partial protection is allowed or not, and when carried in the RRO this = would allow reporting partial protection =20 > Or is partial protection simply not supported? This needs to be discuss. Thanks for these really useful comments. See also below comments to your in-line comments. Best Regards, JL >=20 > Comment in line (Search for JP>) >=20 > Network Working Group =20 > J.L. Le Roux > Internet Draft =20 > France Telecom > Category: Standard Track > Expires: February 2007 =20 > R. Aggarwal > =20 > Juniper Networks >=20 >=20 >=20 > August > 2006 > P2MP MPLS-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > Status of this Memo > By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that any > applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware > have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she becomes > aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering > Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups.=20 > Note that other > groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum=20 > of six months > and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other=20 > documents at any > time. It is inappropriate to use Internet- Drafts as reference > material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." >=20 > The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. >=20 > The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. >=20 > Abstract >=20 > This document defines procedures for fast reroute protection of > point-to-multipoint (P2MP) MPLS-TE LSPs, with point-to-multipoint > bypass tunnels. During branch node failure the traffic on=20 > a protected > P2MP TE-LSP is tunneled within a P2MP bypass tunnel=20 > towards the set > of Merge Points. To avoid data duplication, the backup label is > assigned by the PLR following the RSVP-TE upstream label=20 > assignment > procedure. > Le Roux, Aggarwal Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels =20 > [Page 1] > =0C>=20 > Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 >=20 >=20 > Conventions used in this document > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL",=20 > "SHALL NOT", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and=20 > "OPTIONAL" in this > document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119. > Table of Contents >=20 > 1. =20 > Terminology.................................................2 > 2. =20 > Introduction................................................3 > 3. Solution =20 > overview...........................................3 > 4. PLR =20 > procedures..............................................4 > 4.1. Before =20 > failure..............................................4 > 4.2. During =20 > failure..............................................5 > 5. MP =20 > Procedures...............................................5 > 6. Backward =20 > compatibility......................................6 > 7. Security =20 > Considerations.....................................6 > 8. =20 > References..................................................6 > 8.1. Normative =20 > references........................................6 > 9. Authors' =20 > Addresses:.........................................7 > 10. Intellectual Property =20 > Statement.............................7 >=20 >=20 > 1. Terminology > This document uses terminologies defined in [RFC3031], [RFC3209], > [RFC4090] and [RFC4461]. It defines the following new terms: > P2MP Bypass tunnel: Point-to-Multipoint Bypass Tunnel. A P2MP TE- > LSP that is used to protect a set of P2MP TE-LSPs=20 > traversing a > common node. The Ingress LSR of a P2MP bypass tunnel=20 > is the PLR > and the leaf LSRs are a set of LSRs, on the=20 > protected P2MP LSP, > downstream of the protected node. >=20 > P2MP Facility Backup: A local repair method in which a P2MP bypass > tunnel is used to protect one or more P2MP TE-LSPs that > traverse the PLR (P2MP Bypass Ingress), the resource being > protected, and the set of Merge Points (P2MP Bypass leaves) > downstream to the protected resource. > Backup P2MP LSP: The LSP that is used to backup up one of the > many protected P2MP LSPs in P2MP Facility Backup. >=20 > Backup S2L sub-LSP: A S2L sub-LSP of a backup P2MP LSP. >=20 >=20 > . > Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 2] > =0C>=20 > Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 >=20 > JP> It might be useful to define the notion of overlapping P2MP > Bypass tunnel > where's all the leaf LSRs of the bypass tunnel intersect the=20 > protected primary P2MP tunnel. OK, anyway this will have to be clarified, you may intersect the = protected tunnel on a non MP... >=20 > 2. Introduction >=20 > [RFC4090] defines fast reroute extensions to RSVP-TE for local > protection of P2P MPLS TE LSPs. Two techniques are=20 > defined: the one- > to-one backup method, which creates a detour LSP for each=20 > protected > LSP at each PLR, and the facility backup method, which creates a > bypass tunnel that can be used to protect a set of LSPs by taking > advantage of MPLS label stacking. >=20 > [RSVP-P2MP] defines extensions to RSVP-TE for setting up P2MP TE- > LSPs. It specifies extensions to one-to-one and facility=20 > backup Fast > Reroute procedures defined in [RFC4090] so as to support=20 > fast reroute > protection of P2MP LSPs. > The facility backup solution defined in [RSVP-P2MP] only relies on > P2P bypass tunnels for link and node protection. This faces the > following limitation: The protection of a P2MP LSP against node > failures requires, when the protected node is a Branch=20 > LSR, a set of > P2P Next Next Hop (NNHOP) Bypass tunnels towards all LSRs=20 > downstream > to the protected node. During failure the PLR has to replicate > traffic on each P2P NNHOP bypass tunnel, and this may lead to > significant inefficient bandwidth usage. > To overcome this limitation it is highly desired to=20 > define extensions > to the fast reroute facility backup solution, so as to=20 > support P2MP > Bypass tunnels. >=20 > JP> See my previous comments regarding the trade-off between number > of states and > backup tunnel efficiency. OK some text can be added here >=20 > This draft specifies extensions to the Fast Reroute procedures > defined in [RFC4090] and [RSVP-P2MP] to support P2MP TE-LSP node > protection with P2MP bypass tunnels. > Procedures defined in [RFC4090] and [RSVP-P2MP] MUST be followed > unless specified below. >=20 > 3. Solution overview >=20 > The P2MP Facility Backup method defined in this document relies on > the use of P2MP bypass tunnels. A P2MP bypass tunnel can=20 > be used to > protect a set of P2MP TE-LSPs by taking advantage of MPLS label > stacking. > A P2MP Bypass tunnel is used to protect a P2MP TE-LSP=20 > against branch > LSR failures. The bypass tunnel head-end is the PLR, and=20 > the bypass > tunnel leaf LSRs are the set of MPs, that is the set of LSRs > downstream to the protected branch node, on the protected=20 > P2MP TE- LSP. > The P2MP bypass tunnel protects the set of S2L sub-LSPs=20 > that transit > the protected node. >=20 > When P2MP facility backup method is used, during failure=20 > the PLR MUST > send data for each protected P2MP LSP into the P2MP bypass tunnel. > Label stacking is used: The inner label is the backup=20 > label for the > backup P2MP LSP, that will be used on the MP to forward traffic to >=20 > Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 3] > =0C>=20 > Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 >=20 >=20 > the corresponding protected P2MP LSP, and the outer label=20 > is the P2MP > bypass tunnel label. > To avoid data replication on the PLR, the same backup=20 > label MUST be > used for all S2L sub-LSPs towards all MPs of a given=20 > backup P2MP LSP. > This backup label will indicate to the MPs that packets=20 > received with > that label should be switched along the protected P2MP LSP. > For that purpose upstream label assignment procedures defined in > [MPLS-UPSTREAM] and RSVP-TE extensions for upstream label=20 > assignment > defined in [RSVP-UP] MUST be used. To signal a backup=20 > P2MP LSP, the > same backup label, is distributed by the PLR to the set of MPs, in > the context of the P2MP bypass tunnel. This requires the=20 > backup P2MP > LSP to be signalled prior to the failure. >=20 > JP> Which is required anyway to guarantee fast rerouting and always > the case for Protection recovery > (by contrast with recovery) >=20 > On the MP, backup S2L sub-LSPs (i.e. S2L sub-LSPs of the=20 > backup P2MP > LSP) are merged with protected S2L sub-LSPs. The MPs, (i.e. the > bypass tunnel leaf LSRs), maintain a context specific ILM >=20 > JP> Spell ? >=20 > for the > P2MP Bypass tunnel. The context of an inner label (i.e a backup > label) > is determined by the underlying P2MP bypass tunnel on which it is > received. This requires deactivating PHP on the P2MP=20 > bypass tunnel. A > label, in a given Bypass tunnel specific ILM, is mapped to the > outgoing interfaces and labels of the corresponding protected P2MP > LSP. > 4. PLR procedures > 4.1. Before failure > To protect a P2MP LSP against a branch node failure, a PLR MUST >=20 > JP> The MUST is what I propose to change (see comments above) > depending on the path > quality for the P2MP bypass, number of states, ... compared=20 > to using P2P bypass. OK >=20 > select a P2MP bypass tunnel with a set of leaf LSRs with the > following properties: > - These leaf LSRs are transit or egress LSRs on the protected > P2MP LSP. We will denote this subset as {LSR1.LSRn}. > - {LSR1.LSRn} are downstream of the protected node on the > Protected P2MP LSP. > - In the event of failure of the protected node, traffic > received on the protected P2MP LSP by the PLR, can be > delivered to all the leaves of the protected P2MP LSP > downstream to the failed node, if it is tunnelled to > {LSR1.LSRn} over the P2MP bypass. >=20 > JP> This is where we could discuss using one or more P2MP bypass (if > non overlapping) OK >=20 > PHP MUST be deactivated on the P2MP Bypass tunnel, in=20 > order to allow > MPs to determine the context for the backup labels assigned by the > PLR. > The backup label (i.e. the inner label) used for every backup S2L > sub-LSPs, (i.e. the inner label within the P2MP bypass=20 > tunnel), of a > given backup P2MP LSP MUST be the same, so as to avoid traffic > replication on the PLR. This label MUST be assigned by=20 > the PLR using > upstream label assignment procedures. >=20 >=20 > Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 4] > =0C>=20 > Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 >=20 >=20 > Backup P2MP LSPs MUST be signaled prior to the failure. > To signal the backup P2MP LSP, the PLR MUST send one or more Path > messages to each MP. The Path messages to signal a backup P2MP LSP > are sent to the MPs using directed signaling; they are=20 > addressed to > the MPs, without Router Alert option. > The PLR MUST use the sender template specific method to identify a > Path message for a backup P2MP LSPs. Hence the PLR will set the > source address in the sender template to a local PLR address. > A Path message to a given MP comprises one or more backup S2L sub- > LSPs that transit through this MP. >=20 > The backup label MUST be assigned by the PLR, in the=20 > context of the > underlying P2MP Bypass tunnel, following upstream label assignment > and P2MP RSVP-TE context identification procedures=20 > defined in [RSVP- > UP]. Hence, a Path message sent to a MP for a backup P2MP LSP MUST > include an Upstream Assigned Label object carrying the=20 > value of the > backup label. It MUST also include an RSVP-TE P2MP LSP=20 > TLV within an > IF_ID RSVP TLV, that carries the session object of the underlying > P2MP Bypass tunnel. This allows MPs to identify the label space of > the backup label assigned by the PLR. The same backup=20 > label MUST be > sent to all MPs of a protected P2MP LSP. >=20 > Note that the PLR MUST continue to refresh Path messages for the > protected P2MP LSP along the nominal route. > The processing of backup S2L sub-LSP SEROs/SRROs MUST follow > backup LSP ERO/RRO processing described in [RFC4090]. >=20 > 4.2. During failure >=20 > When the PLR detects a link or/and node failure=20 > condition, it has to > reroute a protected P2MP LSP onto the P2MP bypass tunnel using as > inner label the backup label assigned for this P2MP LSP. > The PLR MUST continue to send Path messages for the=20 > backup P2MP LSP. >=20 > JP> Need to discuss the replication of Path messages by the branch > node along the backup P2P LSP Actually there is no any replication, the Path message is not sent = within the P2MP Bypass, it is IP routed to the MP... >=20 > The RRO/ERO flags MUST be updated as per defined in=20 > [RFC4090] 5. MP Procedures > A MP receives one or more Path messages for the protected P2MP LSP > and one or more Path messages for the backup P2MP LSP. >=20 > Note that, as specified in [RFC4090], the reception of a=20 > backup LSP's > Path message does not indicate that a failure has occurred or that > the incoming protected LSP will no longer be used. >=20 > A S2L sub-LSP is received >=20 > JP> "Received" confusing terminology OK will change to "included" >=20 > within a Path message for the protected > P2MP LSP and within a Path message for the backup P2MP=20 > LSP. These two > Path messages are distinguished thanks to the sender-template > specific method. As specified in [RFC4090], each of these Path > messages will have a different SENDER_TEMPLATE. The protected LSP > can be recognized because it will include the=20 > FAST_REROUTE object or >=20 > Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 5] > =0C>=20 > Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 >=20 >=20 > have the "local protection desired" flag set in the=20 > SESSION_ATTRIBUTE > object, or both. > A MP MUST install the upstream assigned label received in a backup > LSP Path message, within an ILM specific to the underlying bypass > tunnel, which is identified by its session object,=20 > carried within the > IF_ID RSVP_HOP object of the backup Path message. An upstream > assigned label for a backup P2MP LSP MUST be mapped to=20 > the outgoing > interfaces and labels of the corresponding protected P2MP LSP. >=20 > As specified in [RSVP-UP], the Resv message sent by a MP=20 > to the PLR, > does not carry any Label Object. > The processing of backup S2L sub-LSP SEROs/SRROs MUST follow > backup tunnel ERO/RRO processing described in [RFC4090]. > 6. Backward compatibility >=20 > Procedures with MPs that do not support upstream label=20 > assignment are > to be defined (combination of P2P and P2MP bypass LSPs). > 7. Security Considerations >=20 > No new security issues are raised in this document. > 8. References >=20 > 8.1. Normative references >=20 > [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate > Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997. > [RFC3031] E. Rosen, A. Viswanathan, R. Callon, "MPLS=20 > Architecture", > RFC 3031. >=20 > [RFC3209] D. Awduche et al., "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP > Tunnels", RFC3209. > [RFC4461] S. Yasukawa et al., "Signaling Requirements for=20 > Point-to- > Multipoint Traffic-Engineered MPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs)", > RFC4461. > [RFC4090] Pan, Swallow, Atlas, et al., "Fast Reroute Extensions to > RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels", RFC4090. >=20 > [RSVP-P2MP] Aggarwal, Papadimitriou, Yasukawa,=20 > "Extensions to RSVP-TE > for Point to Multipoint TE LSPs",=20 > draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-rsvp-te, work > in progress. >=20 > [MPLS-UPSTREAM] Aggarwal, Rekhter, Rosen, "MPLS Upstream Label > Assignment and Context Specific Label Space", draft-ietf-mpls- > upstream-label, work in progress. > Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 6] > =0C>=20 > Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August 2006 >=20 >=20 > [RSVP-UP] Aggarwal, Le Roux, " MPLS Upstream Label Assignment for > RSVP-TE", draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-upstream, work in progress. > 9. Authors' Addresses: >=20 > Jean-Louis Le Roux > France Telecom > 2, avenue Pierre-Marzin > 22307 Lannion Cedex > FRANCE > Email: jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com >=20 > Rahul Aggarwal > Juniper Networks > 1194 North Mathilda Ave. > Sunnyvale, CA 94089 > Email: rahul@juniper.net > 10. 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This document=20 > is subject > to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and > except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Le Roux, Aggarwal [Page 8] > =0C>=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Nov 06 11:52:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh7eF-000065-If; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:48:35 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh7eD-00005k-9q for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:48:33 -0500 Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gh7e6-0001qY-Am for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:48:33 -0500 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127D8147639; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.10/Submit) id kA6GmFFK025823; Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:48:15 -0800 From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200611061648.kA6GmFFK025823@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: routing-discussion@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org, mpls@lists.ietf.org, pwe3@ietf.org Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:48:15 -0800 Versions: dmail (linux) 2.7/makemail 2.14 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: Subject: [mpls] TCP Authentication discussion: tcpm wg, Thursday 1300-1500 X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, I'd like to draw your attention to the tcpm working group agenda; it begins with a discussion of draft-bellovin-tcpsec, whose abstract reads: The TCP-MD5 option, commonly used to secure BGP sessions between routers, has many serious deficiencies. We present here justifications for designing a new, more capable version of that option; we also discuss some of the design criteria for one. I'd encourage those with thoughts and experience in this area to attend if you can. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Nov 06 22:51:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhHtR-0002MO-6E; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:44:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhHtP-0002Ir-9s for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:44:55 -0500 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhHtO-0002M9-2D for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:44:55 -0500 Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2006 04:44:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAEaQT0WQ/uCLcmdsb2JhbACMSgEJDyo X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,393,1157320800"; d="scan'208"; a="117594217:sNHT43210360" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA73iodH027787; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 04:44:50 +0100 Received: from xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com (xbh-ams-331.cisco.com [144.254.231.71]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kA73io4Z002348; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 04:44:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com ([144.254.231.72]) by xbh-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 04:44:49 +0100 Received: from [192.168.21.63] ([10.70.231.102]) by xfe-ams-331.emea.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 7 Nov 2006 04:44:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E7491D7-6188-4393-AD40-DAB2197E4A8E@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: JP Vasseur Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:10:32 -0500 To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2006 03:44:46.0711 (UTC) FILETIME=[11AC8870:01C7021F] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=26582; t=1162871090; x=1163735090; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20Comments=20on=20draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.t xt |Sender:; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3D6Dy4zyKAP/tgiik3GW2OCjrmLdA=3D; b=aTEAcQ/cm0BertwaSScTPnOyA/KOSUhyZwXw5MVFOnttjVVZSZn7DoTIH7PcP1AYtVpSAjIa 3BA/851aqz9bJGAzn1yVpgeRtwaGAGnU3iaXCqQNAMIflBbuglbGLkUd; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1661445bbc0c3d9a6461fbf65ea80015 Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Re: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Jean-Louis, On Nov 6, 2006, at 9:58 AM, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > Hi Jean-Philippe > > Thanks a lot for these comments > > Please see inline, > >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : JP Vasseur [mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com] >> Envoy=E9 : vendredi 3 novembre 2006 14:22 >> =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; zzx-rahul@juniper.net >> Cc : mpls@ietf.org >> Objet : Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >> >> Hi, >> >> First of all, my full support to the ID, this is for sure a >> needed solution in several cases. >> >> Here are my comments/suggestions: >> 1) To be discussed next week (live will be easier): it might >> be useful in some cases to tradeoff the rerouting times for >> the P2MP backup efficiency, provided that the failure >> detection times stays bounded of course and on the order of a >> few ms. Note that in situations where P2MP backup may be >> useful, it may make sense to have the PLR not immediately >> upstream to the protected element. We can use an distributed >> bidding mechanism to determine the PLR based on the P2MP >> backup cost and the distance between the PLR and the >> protected element. > > Yes I see what you mean. > In the topologies I have in mind this is not really a problem, but =20 > I agree that what you suggest may be helpful in some specific =20 > topologies. > By the way one may run BFD between the PLR and the protected node =20 > so as to speed up the detection time. This needs to be futher =20 > investigated... > Yes although the Path Error should be used as a trigger (probably =20 faster than the running a additional BFD Session and less expensive) =20 but this is a detail. > Also a flag could be defined in the LSP ATTRIBUTE object to =20 > indicate whether protection by the immediately upstream LSR is =20 > required or not... Yes or what is the Max Tolerable Rerouting delay (since in some cases =20= adding N Hopes may be acceptable whereas in other cases M with M< >> 2) In the introduction, don't you want to indicate that the >> use of bypass P2MP tunnels may lead to more states compared >> to the P2P case because of the requirement to fully intersect >> the protected primary ? > > Yes we could add some text to discuss the tension between states =20 > and bandwidth consuption, which is actually a classical tension in =20 > multicast environments. > Here this is particularly true if bypass tunnel leaves exactly =20 > match the set of Merge Points of a protected primary. > By the way, we need feedback on the possibility to rely on Bypass =20 > tunnels whose leaves are actually a superset of the downstream =20 > Merge Points. This would allow a given bypass to protect much more =20 > P2MP LSPs, and would drastically reduce the number of bypass. The =20 > counter part is that during failure traffic may be sent to LSRs =20 > that are not MPs, they will drop the traffic (again the tension!) Exactly (note that Tension is sometimes a good thing ... look at =20 Blues music ;-)) > >> 3) Trade-off between a set of P2P, one P2MP bypass tunnels >> and a set of P2MP bypass tunnels. There are cases where it >> might be preferable to use a set of P2P because of the number >> of states if the PLR has to protect a large number of primary >> P2MP tunnels and the PLR cannot find a good overlapping >> bypass P2MP. An alternative is also to use a "few" P2MP >> bypass tunnels in that case: the PLR would have to do some >> replication but still much less than with P2P bypass tunnels. > > This is a good point. This needs to be addressed in the draft. > Note also that combination of P2MP and P2P Bypass may be required =20 > for backward compatibility with MP that do not support upstream =20 > label assignement. We're in sync. > >> 3) It would be useful to indicate that a P2MP TE LSP may be >> protected by some PLRs using P2P and by other PLRs using P2MP >> bypass tunnel along the protected P2MP primary path (thus comment =20 >> 5)). > > Hum I'm not sure this is the role of the head-end to specifiy if =20 > P2P or P2MP or both should be used on the PLR. To me this is a =20 > local decision to the PLR. > Yes (can't remember why I proposed this ;-)). At least we need a way =20 to record the P2MP bypass tunnel type used at each PLR. >> 5) It might be useful to define: >> * a flag in the LSP-ATTRIBUTE to indicate at each PLR whether >> the primary P2MP TE LSP is protected by a set of P2P bypass >> tunnels or one P2MP bypass tunnel > > I'm a bit sceptic, see above comment > >> * a flag in the LSP-ATTRIBUTE to report "Partial" protection >> of the primary P2MP TE LSP, by partial I'm referring to the >> ability to only find a P2MP backup that does not fully >> intersect the primary TE LSP. > > That would make sense. > If carried within the LSP-ATTRIBUTE object this would indicate =20 > whether partial protection is allowed or not, and when carried in =20 > the RRO this would allow reporting partial protection We may probably want to use the LSP-ATTRIBUTE object in both cases. > >> Or is partial protection simply not supported? > > This needs to be discuss. > OK let's try to find some time this week and go back to the list. > > Thanks for these really useful comments. > > See also below comments to your in-line comments. > > Best Regards, > > JL > > >> >> Comment in line (Search for JP>) >> >> Network Working Group >> J.L. Le Roux >> Internet Draft >> France Telecom >> Category: Standard Track >> Expires: February 2007 >> R. Aggarwal >> >> Juniper Networks >> >> >> >> August >> 2006 >> P2MP MPLS-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels >> draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >> Status of this Memo >> By submitting this Internet-Draft, each author represents that =20= >> any >> applicable patent or other IPR claims of which he or she is aware >> have been or will be disclosed, and any of which he or she =20 >> becomes >> aware will be disclosed, in accordance with Section 6 of BCP 79. >> >> Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering >> Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. >> Note that other >> groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. >> >> Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum >> of six months >> and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other >> documents at any >> time. It is inappropriate to use Internet- Drafts as reference >> material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." >> >> The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at >> http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. >> >> The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at >> http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. >> >> Abstract >> >> This document defines procedures for fast reroute protection of >> point-to-multipoint (P2MP) MPLS-TE LSPs, with point-to-multipoint >> bypass tunnels. During branch node failure the traffic on >> a protected >> P2MP TE-LSP is tunneled within a P2MP bypass tunnel >> towards the set >> of Merge Points. To avoid data duplication, the backup label is >> assigned by the PLR following the RSVP-TE upstream label >> assignment >> procedure. >> Le Roux, Aggarwal Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels >> [Page 1] >> =0C> >> Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August =20 >> 2006 >> >> >> Conventions used in this document >> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", >> "SHALL NOT", >> "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and >> "OPTIONAL" in this >> document are to be interpreted as described in RFC-2119. >> Table of Contents >> >> 1. >> Terminology.................................................2 >> 2. >> Introduction................................................3 >> 3. Solution >> overview...........................................3 >> 4. PLR >> procedures..............................................4 >> 4.1. Before >> failure..............................................4 >> 4.2. During >> failure..............................................5 >> 5. MP >> Procedures...............................................5 >> 6. Backward >> compatibility......................................6 >> 7. Security >> Considerations.....................................6 >> 8. >> References..................................................6 >> 8.1. Normative >> references........................................6 >> 9. Authors' >> Addresses:.........................................7 >> 10. Intellectual Property >> Statement.............................7 >> >> >> 1. Terminology >> This document uses terminologies defined in [RFC3031], [RFC3209], >> [RFC4090] and [RFC4461]. It defines the following new terms: >> P2MP Bypass tunnel: Point-to-Multipoint Bypass Tunnel. A P2MP =20= >> TE- >> LSP that is used to protect a set of P2MP TE-LSPs >> traversing a >> common node. The Ingress LSR of a P2MP bypass tunnel >> is the PLR >> and the leaf LSRs are a set of LSRs, on the >> protected P2MP LSP, >> downstream of the protected node. >> >> P2MP Facility Backup: A local repair method in which a P2MP =20 >> bypass >> tunnel is used to protect one or more P2MP TE-LSPs that >> traverse the PLR (P2MP Bypass Ingress), the resource being >> protected, and the set of Merge Points (P2MP Bypass leaves) >> downstream to the protected resource. >> Backup P2MP LSP: The LSP that is used to backup up one of the >> many protected P2MP LSPs in P2MP Facility Backup. >> >> Backup S2L sub-LSP: A S2L sub-LSP of a backup P2MP LSP. >> >> >> . >> Le Roux, Aggarwal =20 >> [Page 2] >> =0C> >> Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August =20 >> 2006 >> >> JP> It might be useful to define the notion of overlapping P2MP >> Bypass tunnel >> where's all the leaf LSRs of the bypass tunnel intersect the >> protected primary P2MP tunnel. > > OK, anyway this will have to be clarified, you may intersect the =20 > protected tunnel on a non MP... > > >> >> 2. Introduction >> >> [RFC4090] defines fast reroute extensions to RSVP-TE for local >> protection of P2P MPLS TE LSPs. Two techniques are >> defined: the one- >> to-one backup method, which creates a detour LSP for each >> protected >> LSP at each PLR, and the facility backup method, which creates a >> bypass tunnel that can be used to protect a set of LSPs by taking >> advantage of MPLS label stacking. >> >> [RSVP-P2MP] defines extensions to RSVP-TE for setting up P2MP TE- >> LSPs. It specifies extensions to one-to-one and facility >> backup Fast >> Reroute procedures defined in [RFC4090] so as to support >> fast reroute >> protection of P2MP LSPs. >> The facility backup solution defined in [RSVP-P2MP] only =20 >> relies on >> P2P bypass tunnels for link and node protection. This faces the >> following limitation: The protection of a P2MP LSP against node >> failures requires, when the protected node is a Branch >> LSR, a set of >> P2P Next Next Hop (NNHOP) Bypass tunnels towards all LSRs >> downstream >> to the protected node. During failure the PLR has to replicate >> traffic on each P2P NNHOP bypass tunnel, and this may lead to >> significant inefficient bandwidth usage. >> To overcome this limitation it is highly desired to >> define extensions >> to the fast reroute facility backup solution, so as to >> support P2MP >> Bypass tunnels. >> >> JP> See my previous comments regarding the trade-off between number >> of states and >> backup tunnel efficiency. > > OK some text can be added here > >> >> This draft specifies extensions to the Fast Reroute procedures >> defined in [RFC4090] and [RSVP-P2MP] to support P2MP TE-LSP node >> protection with P2MP bypass tunnels. >> Procedures defined in [RFC4090] and [RSVP-P2MP] MUST be followed >> unless specified below. >> >> 3. Solution overview >> >> The P2MP Facility Backup method defined in this document =20 >> relies on >> the use of P2MP bypass tunnels. A P2MP bypass tunnel can >> be used to >> protect a set of P2MP TE-LSPs by taking advantage of MPLS label >> stacking. >> A P2MP Bypass tunnel is used to protect a P2MP TE-LSP >> against branch >> LSR failures. The bypass tunnel head-end is the PLR, and >> the bypass >> tunnel leaf LSRs are the set of MPs, that is the set of LSRs >> downstream to the protected branch node, on the protected >> P2MP TE- LSP. >> The P2MP bypass tunnel protects the set of S2L sub-LSPs >> that transit >> the protected node. >> >> When P2MP facility backup method is used, during failure >> the PLR MUST >> send data for each protected P2MP LSP into the P2MP bypass =20 >> tunnel. >> Label stacking is used: The inner label is the backup >> label for the >> backup P2MP LSP, that will be used on the MP to forward =20 >> traffic to >> >> Le Roux, Aggarwal =20 >> [Page 3] >> =0C> >> Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August =20 >> 2006 >> >> >> the corresponding protected P2MP LSP, and the outer label >> is the P2MP >> bypass tunnel label. >> To avoid data replication on the PLR, the same backup >> label MUST be >> used for all S2L sub-LSPs towards all MPs of a given >> backup P2MP LSP. >> This backup label will indicate to the MPs that packets >> received with >> that label should be switched along the protected P2MP LSP. >> For that purpose upstream label assignment procedures defined in >> [MPLS-UPSTREAM] and RSVP-TE extensions for upstream label >> assignment >> defined in [RSVP-UP] MUST be used. To signal a backup >> P2MP LSP, the >> same backup label, is distributed by the PLR to the set of =20 >> MPs, in >> the context of the P2MP bypass tunnel. This requires the >> backup P2MP >> LSP to be signalled prior to the failure. >> >> JP> Which is required anyway to guarantee fast rerouting and always >> the case for Protection recovery >> (by contrast with recovery) >> >> On the MP, backup S2L sub-LSPs (i.e. S2L sub-LSPs of the >> backup P2MP >> LSP) are merged with protected S2L sub-LSPs. The MPs, (i.e. the >> bypass tunnel leaf LSRs), maintain a context specific ILM >> >> JP> Spell ? >> >> for the >> P2MP Bypass tunnel. The context of an inner label (i.e a backup >> label) >> is determined by the underlying P2MP bypass tunnel on which it is >> received. This requires deactivating PHP on the P2MP >> bypass tunnel. A >> label, in a given Bypass tunnel specific ILM, is mapped to the >> outgoing interfaces and labels of the corresponding protected =20 >> P2MP >> LSP. >> 4. PLR procedures >> 4.1. Before failure >> To protect a P2MP LSP against a branch node failure, a PLR MUST >> >> JP> The MUST is what I propose to change (see comments above) >> depending on the path >> quality for the P2MP bypass, number of states, ... compared >> to using P2P bypass. > > OK > >> >> select a P2MP bypass tunnel with a set of leaf LSRs with the >> following properties: >> - These leaf LSRs are transit or egress LSRs on the =20 >> protected >> P2MP LSP. We will denote this subset as {LSR1.LSRn}. >> - {LSR1.LSRn} are downstream of the protected node on the >> Protected P2MP LSP. >> - In the event of failure of the protected node, traffic >> received on the protected P2MP LSP by the PLR, can be >> delivered to all the leaves of the protected P2MP LSP >> downstream to the failed node, if it is tunnelled to >> {LSR1.LSRn} over the P2MP bypass. >> >> JP> This is where we could discuss using one or more P2MP bypass (if >> non overlapping) > > OK > >> >> PHP MUST be deactivated on the P2MP Bypass tunnel, in >> order to allow >> MPs to determine the context for the backup labels assigned by =20= >> the >> PLR. >> The backup label (i.e. the inner label) used for every backup S2L >> sub-LSPs, (i.e. the inner label within the P2MP bypass >> tunnel), of a >> given backup P2MP LSP MUST be the same, so as to avoid traffic >> replication on the PLR. This label MUST be assigned by >> the PLR using >> upstream label assignment procedures. >> >> >> Le Roux, Aggarwal =20 >> [Page 4] >> =0C> >> Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August =20 >> 2006 >> >> >> Backup P2MP LSPs MUST be signaled prior to the failure. >> To signal the backup P2MP LSP, the PLR MUST send one or more Path >> messages to each MP. The Path messages to signal a backup P2MP =20= >> LSP >> are sent to the MPs using directed signaling; they are >> addressed to >> the MPs, without Router Alert option. >> The PLR MUST use the sender template specific method to =20 >> identify a >> Path message for a backup P2MP LSPs. Hence the PLR will set the >> source address in the sender template to a local PLR address. >> A Path message to a given MP comprises one or more backup S2L =20 >> sub- >> LSPs that transit through this MP. >> >> The backup label MUST be assigned by the PLR, in the >> context of the >> underlying P2MP Bypass tunnel, following upstream label =20 >> assignment >> and P2MP RSVP-TE context identification procedures >> defined in [RSVP- >> UP]. Hence, a Path message sent to a MP for a backup P2MP LSP =20 >> MUST >> include an Upstream Assigned Label object carrying the >> value of the >> backup label. It MUST also include an RSVP-TE P2MP LSP >> TLV within an >> IF_ID RSVP TLV, that carries the session object of the underlying >> P2MP Bypass tunnel. This allows MPs to identify the label =20 >> space of >> the backup label assigned by the PLR. The same backup >> label MUST be >> sent to all MPs of a protected P2MP LSP. >> >> Note that the PLR MUST continue to refresh Path messages for the >> protected P2MP LSP along the nominal route. >> The processing of backup S2L sub-LSP SEROs/SRROs MUST follow >> backup LSP ERO/RRO processing described in [RFC4090]. >> >> 4.2. During failure >> >> When the PLR detects a link or/and node failure >> condition, it has to >> reroute a protected P2MP LSP onto the P2MP bypass tunnel using as >> inner label the backup label assigned for this P2MP LSP. >> The PLR MUST continue to send Path messages for the >> backup P2MP LSP. >> >> JP> Need to discuss the replication of Path messages by the branch >> node along the backup P2P LSP > > Actually there is no any replication, the Path message is not sent =20 > within the P2MP Bypass, it is IP routed to the MP... What about path states creation + routing convergence issues ... ? Thanks. JP. > >> >> The RRO/ERO flags MUST be updated as per defined in >> [RFC4090] 5. MP Procedures >> A MP receives one or more Path messages for the protected P2MP =20= >> LSP >> and one or more Path messages for the backup P2MP LSP. >> >> Note that, as specified in [RFC4090], the reception of a >> backup LSP's >> Path message does not indicate that a failure has occurred or =20 >> that >> the incoming protected LSP will no longer be used. >> >> A S2L sub-LSP is received >> >> JP> "Received" confusing terminology > > OK will change to "included" > >> >> within a Path message for the protected >> P2MP LSP and within a Path message for the backup P2MP >> LSP. These two >> Path messages are distinguished thanks to the sender-template >> specific method. As specified in [RFC4090], each of these Path >> messages will have a different SENDER_TEMPLATE. The protected =20= >> LSP >> can be recognized because it will include the >> FAST_REROUTE object or >> >> Le Roux, Aggarwal =20 >> [Page 5] >> =0C> >> Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August =20 >> 2006 >> >> >> have the "local protection desired" flag set in the >> SESSION_ATTRIBUTE >> object, or both. >> A MP MUST install the upstream assigned label received in a =20 >> backup >> LSP Path message, within an ILM specific to the underlying bypass >> tunnel, which is identified by its session object, >> carried within the >> IF_ID RSVP_HOP object of the backup Path message. An upstream >> assigned label for a backup P2MP LSP MUST be mapped to >> the outgoing >> interfaces and labels of the corresponding protected P2MP LSP. >> >> As specified in [RSVP-UP], the Resv message sent by a MP >> to the PLR, >> does not carry any Label Object. >> The processing of backup S2L sub-LSP SEROs/SRROs MUST follow >> backup tunnel ERO/RRO processing described in [RFC4090]. >> 6. Backward compatibility >> >> Procedures with MPs that do not support upstream label >> assignment are >> to be defined (combination of P2P and P2MP bypass LSPs). >> 7. Security Considerations >> >> No new security issues are raised in this document. >> 8. References >> >> 8.1. Normative references >> >> [RFC2119] Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate >> Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119, March 1997. >> [RFC3031] E. Rosen, A. Viswanathan, R. Callon, "MPLS >> Architecture", >> RFC 3031. >> >> [RFC3209] D. Awduche et al., "RSVP-TE: Extensions to RSVP for LSP >> Tunnels", RFC3209. >> [RFC4461] S. Yasukawa et al., "Signaling Requirements for >> Point-to- >> Multipoint Traffic-Engineered MPLS Label Switched Paths (LSPs)", >> RFC4461. >> [RFC4090] Pan, Swallow, Atlas, et al., "Fast Reroute =20 >> Extensions to >> RSVP-TE for LSP Tunnels", RFC4090. >> >> [RSVP-P2MP] Aggarwal, Papadimitriou, Yasukawa, >> "Extensions to RSVP-TE >> for Point to Multipoint TE LSPs", >> draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-rsvp-te, work >> in progress. >> >> [MPLS-UPSTREAM] Aggarwal, Rekhter, Rosen, "MPLS Upstream Label >> Assignment and Context Specific Label Space", draft-ietf-mpls- >> upstream-label, work in progress. >> Le Roux, Aggarwal =20 >> [Page 6] >> =0C> >> Internet Draft draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt August =20 >> 2006 >> >> >> [RSVP-UP] Aggarwal, Le Roux, " MPLS Upstream Label Assignment for >> RSVP-TE", draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-upstream, work in progress. >> 9. Authors' Addresses: >> >> Jean-Louis Le Roux >> France Telecom >> 2, avenue Pierre-Marzin >> 22307 Lannion Cedex >> FRANCE >> Email: jeanlouis.leroux@francetelecom.com >> >> Rahul Aggarwal >> Juniper Networks >> 1194 North Mathilda Ave. >> Sunnyvale, CA 94089 >> Email: rahul@juniper.net >> 10. 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 07 15:03:30 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhX4x-0007RS-6u; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:57:51 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhX4v-0007RG-A7 for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:57:49 -0500 Received: from mother.pmc-sierra.com ([216.241.224.12] helo=mother.pmc-sierra.bc.ca) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhX4s-0004zu-U0 for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:57:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 7805 invoked by uid 101); 7 Nov 2006 19:57:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ogyruan.pmc-sierra.bc.ca) (216.241.226.236) by mother.pmc-sierra.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2006 19:57:45 -0000 Received: from bby1exi01.pmc_nt.nt.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [216.241.231.251]) by ogyruan.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (8.13.3/8.12.7) with ESMTP id kA7JvCUN017022 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:57:35 -0800 Received: by bby1exi01.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:57:10 -0800 Message-ID: From: Shahram Davari To: mpls@ietf.org Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:57:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8ac499381112328dd60aea5b1ff596ea Cc: Subject: [mpls] re: draft-bryant-pwe3-mpls-transport-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, I don't think Transporting MPLS-O-Ethernet-O-MPLS is the best way for Transporting MPLS over another MPLS network. Why not just define a simple MPLS PW? This would save you at least 14 bytes per packet. -Shahram _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 07 15:53:52 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXu1-00077s-BL; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:50:37 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXtx-000773-2x for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:50:33 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXtx-0002OA-0a for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:50:33 -0500 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXtw-0001mZ-IE for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:50:32 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D862175D5; Tue, 7 Nov 2006 20:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GhXtR-0001fe-PX; Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:50:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:50:01 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-over-l2tpv3-02.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : Encapsulation of MPLS over Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol Version 3 Author(s) : M. Townsley, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-over-l2tpv3-02.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2006-11-7 The Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol, Version 3, (L2TPv3) defines a protocol for tunneling a variety of payload types over IP networks. This document defines how to carry an MPLS label stack and its payload over the L2TPv3 data encapsulation. This enables an application which traditionally requires an MPLS-enabled core network to utilize an L2TPv3 encapsulation over an IP network instead. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-over-l2tpv3-02.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. 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ESMTP id kA8JtdB99619; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) Received: from kummer.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kummer.juniper.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id kA8JtajK074442; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:55:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) Received: from localhost (kireeti@localhost) by kummer.juniper.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id kA8JtWHg074436; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:55:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: kummer.juniper.net: kireeti owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:55:32 -0800 (PST) From: Kireeti Kompella To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061108112638.L74313@kummer.juniper.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Jean-Louis, To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection, whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less scalable than link protection. I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and others deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to give us a sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection. I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even normalized numbers may be useful. Kireeti. ------- _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 08 16:44:16 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhuZH-0004pT-D8; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:02:43 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhuY7-0003Z7-2h for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:01:31 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhuXc-00067X-IV for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:01:30 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Nov 2006 13:00:59 -0800 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,401,1157353200"; d="scan'208"; a="449138639:sNHT53070534" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kA8L0xhp025142; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:00:59 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kA8L0xW4003369; Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:00:59 -0800 Received: from [130.129.69.12] ([10.21.80.24]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:00:59 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20061108112638.L74313@kummer.juniper.net> References: <20061108112638.L74313@kummer.juniper.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: JP Vasseur Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:00:59 -0500 To: Kireeti Kompella X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2006 21:00:59.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDAF9550:01C70378] DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; l=1619; t=1163019659; x=1163883659; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:JP=20Vasseur=20 |Subject:Re=3A=20[mpls]=20RE=3A=20Comments=20on=20draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypas s-00.txt; X=v=3Dcisco.com=3B=20h=3DXy8hF3t5LAEWceP9SVR0K/qjgZs=3D; b=RMWpPa8KcNxgP9U4QLqgxNqtZZTjvH4RMRHtV/Iy20LTU0PP2L0jya6fwpUKnQeZUfS066kJ J0Bq7kjF2qB3mSgC6zQUO2J0I5rGHwjcLqfJOV7yAdaFbaRVEa22Arhw; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4.cisco.com; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Kireeti, thoughts in line On Nov 8, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Kireeti Kompella wrote: > Hi Jean-Louis, > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection, > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less > scalable than link protection. > Ah well, starting some discussion on a definition of "scalability" may quickly become a cumbersome task. Node P undoubtedly requires more backup tunnels compared to link protection. Up to a point where the number of backup tunnels becomes unreasonable ? Looking a typical degree of connectivity, it does not look unreasonable especially with Bypass compared to the overall number of primary TE LSPs in most meshes. > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and > others deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of > link failures, node software failures (node recovers), node > failures (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to > give us a sense of the importance of continuing the work on node > protection. > > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even > normalized numbers may be useful. > Probability of failures is one dimension, the impact in term of traffic disruption is another key dimension to take into account. Routers may rarely fail compared to links but the impact of such failures is usually considerably larger. 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Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, JP Vasseur wrote: > Hi Kireeti, > > thoughts in line > > On Nov 8, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Kireeti Kompella wrote: > >> Hi Jean-Louis, >> >> To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection, whether >> for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less scalable than link >> protection. > > Ah well, starting some discussion on a definition of "scalability" may > quickly become a cumbersome task. I have no intention of starting such a discussion. > Node P undoubtedly requires more backup > tunnels compared to link protection. That's all I said. Thanks for agreeing. Now can we get to the real point? >> I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and others >> deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link failures, >> node software failures (node recovers), node failures (requires manual >> intervention), and battery explosions, to give us a sense of the importance >> of continuing the work on node protection. The idea is *not* to start a religious war, or to propose some solution or other. The idea is to get a better understanding of failures that really happen in networks. I would agree with you on another point: the impact (and other parameters, like duration, cost of recovery, etc.) are all interesting factors. I'll take as much as SPs are willing to share. Kireeti. ------- _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 08 20:10:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhyN7-000238-KA; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:06:25 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhyN6-000230-6f for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:06:24 -0500 Received: from mail.turinnetworks.com ([63.197.247.126] helo=milan.turin.turinnetworks.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GhyN4-0004AL-SB for mpls@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Nov 2006 20:06:24 -0500 Received: from clavin.turin.turinnetworks.com ([10.1.1.33]) by milan.turin.turinnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:06:21 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [mpls] draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 17:06:20 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt Thread-Index: AccB8TxuoLcBUAAtSeyCQwTMt4mwEwBoAzMR References: <67FBA6A55FF15B46B8B572062529D26A059764@USDALSMBS03.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> <60FB7D3D-5B9A-492B-B3CC-A2E3C495CE33@cisco.com> From: "Greg Mirsky" To: "Thomas D. Nadeau" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 01:06:21.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[44D36F70:01C7039B] X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1484719401==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1484719401== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7039B.4441232B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7039B.4441232B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Tom, please find my comments to this document below (extending my question = asked earlier today): - in Section 4. Motivation written "In this case, it is commonly = desirable for providers to NOT distribute the IP addresses of any of the = intermediate P routers between PE1 and PE2." I think that not = distributing addresses of intermediate routers would not contribute to = the problem addressed in the document. Perhaps it was meant to state = that addresses of LSP LERs, PE1 and PE2, might be not advertised into = other provider's AS.=20 - further in Section 4 said "However, because the address of PE1 is = actually private to AS1 by virtue of not being distributed by ASBR1 into = AS2, the P router cannot correctly forward the reply to PE1." If an AS = can be characterized as "stub" AS then it is unlikely that its operator = wants traffic from other ASes to traverse it. If AS, as a whole, is not = stub but only part of it, e.g. OSPF stub area, then a default route must = be injected by ABR into the stub area. The default route will provide = "exit" for intermediate LSR P when it sends LSP Echo Reply message to = the PE1. Perhaps input from network operators will help to clarify if = addressed scenario is likely to happen. Regards, Greg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7039B.4441232B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [mpls] draft-nadeau-mpls-interas-lspping-02.txt

Dear Tom,
please find my comments to this document below (extending my question = asked earlier today):
- in Section 4. Motivation written "In this case, it is commonly = desirable for providers to NOT distribute the IP addresses of any of the = intermediate P routers between PE1 and PE2." I think that not = distributing addresses of intermediate routers would not contribute to = the problem addressed in the document. Perhaps it was meant to state = that addresses of LSP LERs, PE1 and PE2, might be not advertised into = other provider's AS.
- further in Section 4 said "However, because the address of PE1 is = actually private to AS1 by virtue of not being distributed by ASBR1 into = AS2, the P router cannot correctly forward the reply to PE1." If an = AS can be characterized as "stub" AS then it is unlikely that = its operator wants traffic from other ASes to traverse it. If AS, as a = whole, is not stub but only part of it, e.g. OSPF stub area, then a = default route must be injected by ABR into the stub area. The default = route will provide "exit" for intermediate LSR P when it sends = LSP Echo Reply message to the PE1. Perhaps input from network operators = will help to clarify if addressed scenario is likely to happen.

Regards,
Greg

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From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 16:48:40.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8AA66C0:01C7041E] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Here at Cox, our BB is fully meshed with of TE LSPs between our core-edge routers with link protection. Based on our history, we have not seen a node failure yet. -----Original Message----- From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:56 PM To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Hi Jean-Louis, To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection,=20 whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less scalable=20 than link protection. I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and others=20 deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link=20 failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures=20 (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to give us a=20 sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection. I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even=20 normalized numbers may be useful. Kireeti. ------- _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 12:02:18 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiDEz-0008Ha-Eu; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:59:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiDEx-0008HE-MY for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:58:59 -0500 Received: from [143.209.238.161] (helo=audl951.usa.alcatel.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiDEw-0007Iv-D0 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 11:58:59 -0500 Received: from usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs02.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.13]) by audl951.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id kA9Gwvu1023337; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:58:57 -0600 Received: from USDALSMBS03.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.9]) by usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:58:57 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:56:57 -0600 Message-ID: <67FBA6A55FF15B46B8B572062529D26A0598C1@USDALSMBS03.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: <20061108112638.L74313@kummer.juniper.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcQfon/vtBJiTSw+5KUincCpcXAArYvCA From: "HEMIGE Venu" To: "Kireeti Kompella" , "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 16:58:57.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[58B2B5C0:01C70420] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 143.209.238.34 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Jean-Louis, I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several degrees more complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I am not so sure of the efficiency of even link protection for P2MP LSP traffic. The bypass tunnel for a protected link may be established over another link or set of links behind which there are leaves of the P2MP LSP. So when the protected link fails, there would be two copies of the traffic forwarded over such links. Isn't that also a concern very similar to what you are trying to solve in this draft for node protection? Regards, -Venu =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > Hi Jean-Louis, >=20 > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection,=20 > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less scalable=20 > than link protection. >=20 > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and others=20 > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link=20 > failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures=20 > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to give us a=20 > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection. >=20 > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even=20 > normalized numbers may be useful. >=20 > Kireeti. > ------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 12:17:06 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiDTG-000170-3D; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:13:46 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiDTE-00016W-GL for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:13:44 -0500 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiDTD-0000f3-3v for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:13:44 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:13:34 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:13:40 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDb+KmV6ibwDDwT5qT0KZGjZ/kHgAr3WoA From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "Kireeti Kompella" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 17:13:34.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[631C32A0:01C70422] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Kireeti,=20 Please see in-line > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20 > Envoy=E9 : mercredi 8 novembre 2006 20:56 > =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > Hi Jean-Louis, >=20 > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node=20 > protection, whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of=20 > magnitude less scalable than link protection. You are right. If D is the average node degree, link protection scales = as 0(D) and node protection scales as 0(D^2)...=20 >=20 > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs=20 > and others deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG:=20 > frequencies of link failures, node software failures (node=20 > recovers), node failures (requires manual intervention), and=20 > battery explosions, to give us a sense of the importance of=20 > continuing the work on node protection. I know several SPs, including Orange, who deployed FRR node protection = for P2P LSPs, and want the same level of protection for P2MP LSPs, particularly for TV = broadcasting. By the way I don't think that SPs are likely to share failure occurrence = frequencies in the IETF, these are critical figures... The approach sounds actually a bit surprising to me: The IETF worked on = P2P FRR node protection, it has been implemented, deployed, SPs are = happy with this feature. And now you want to step back as P2MP node = protection may be a bit more complex... Note that P2MP node protection may rely on a single P2MP Bypass per PLR, = whose set of Leaf LSRs equals the set of PLR NNHOP, (ie a superset of = the protected P2MP LSP downstream LSRs). So it can scale as P2P node = protection... >=20 > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive,=20 YES :-) >but=20 > even normalized numbers may be useful. The fact that link failure frequency is an order of magnitude higher = than node failure frequency, does definitely not imply that we don't = need node protection.=20 Best Regards, JL >=20 > Kireeti. > ------- >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 13:17:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEOQ-0007xb-8j; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:12:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEOO-0007xV-M2 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:12:48 -0500 Received: from p-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.15]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEON-0000A1-7L for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:12:48 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:12:01 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:12:07 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcQfon/vtBJiTSw+5KUincCpcXAArYvCAAAKdA2A= From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "HEMIGE Venu" , "Kireeti Kompella" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 18:12:01.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D72B170:01C7042A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Venu Think about the protection of a branch node with N downstream LSRs. If you rely on P2P Bypass tunnels, you end up with N times the traffic = on shared bypass links during failure...=20 I can show you operational network topologies where N =3D 50, and you = would end up with 50 times the traffic on shared links. For the sake of = illustration, to protect a 2G TV traffic, you would need 100G capacity = to backup the traffic! no comments... The situation is not the same with link protection, as you can rely on a = single P2P Bypass, and there is no traffic replication at all. Best Regards, JL > -----Message d'origine----- > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 9 novembre 2006 17:57 > =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 >=20 > Hi Jean-Louis, >=20 > I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several degrees=20 > more complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I=20 > am not so sure of the efficiency of even link protection for=20 > P2MP LSP traffic. The bypass tunnel for a protected link may=20 > be established over another link or set of links behind which=20 > there are leaves of the P2MP LSP. So when the protected link=20 > fails, there would be two copies of the traffic forwarded=20 > over such links. Isn't that also a concern very similar to=20 > what you are trying to solve in this draft for node protection? >=20 > Regards, > -Venu >=20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > >=20 > > Hi Jean-Louis, > >=20 > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection,=20 > > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less=20 > scalable=20 > > than link protection. > >=20 > > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs=20 > and others=20 > > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link=20 > > failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures=20 > > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to=20 > give us a=20 > > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection. > >=20 > > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even=20 > > normalized numbers may be useful. > >=20 > > Kireeti. > > ------- > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 13:24:23 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEWe-0002rO-4q; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:21:20 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEWd-0002qg-54 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:21:19 -0500 Received: from colo-dns-ext1.juniper.net ([207.17.137.57]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEWb-0001Gh-R3 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:21:19 -0500 Received: from merlot.juniper.net (merlot.juniper.net [172.17.27.10]) by colo-dns-ext1.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id kA9ILHX10117; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:21:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) Received: from kummer.juniper.net (kummer.juniper.net [172.17.12.90]) by merlot.juniper.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id kA9ILCB70372; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:21:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) Received: from kummer.juniper.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kummer.juniper.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.3) with ESMTP id kA9ILCjK078168; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:21:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kireeti@juniper.net) Received: from localhost (kireeti@localhost) by kummer.juniper.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id kA9ILC7t078165; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:21:12 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: kummer.juniper.net: kireeti owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Kireeti Kompella To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20061109095608.F78001@kummer.juniper.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > Hi Kireeti, > > Please see in-line Thanks for your comments. > The approach sounds actually a bit surprising to me: The IETF worked > on P2P FRR node protection, it has been implemented, deployed, SPs > are happy with this feature. And now you want to step back as P2MP > node protection may be a bit more complex... Well, I had the same opinion for p2p; in retrospect, I wish I had raised the point then. P2MP just makes this a bit more complex. But, to repeat, I'm not against node protection. I just want validation from SPs that the additional complexity etc. of node protection is required. You said yes; Mazen said no. Others have yet to speak. If SPs were to themselves step back and reconsider how they really want to protect nodes, that would be a bonus. Finally, this is not a call for consensus, just a request for information. Whether or not we work on this depends on the WG chairs, which I am not :-) Kireeti. ------- _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 13:34:53 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEgG-0002rw-Nc; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:31:16 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEgE-0002rq-N0 for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:31:14 -0500 Received: from [143.209.238.164] (helo=audl751.usa.alcatel.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiEgC-0002Im-BH for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:31:14 -0500 Received: from usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com (usdalsbhs02.usa.alcatel.com [172.22.216.13]) by audl751.usa.alcatel.com (ALCANET) with ESMTP id kA9IVBfk013543; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:31:11 -0600 Received: from USDALSMBS03.ad3.ad.alcatel.com ([172.22.216.9]) by usdalsbhs02.ad3.ad.alcatel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:31:11 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:29:11 -0600 Message-ID: <67FBA6A55FF15B46B8B572062529D26A0598DB@USDALSMBS03.ad3.ad.alcatel.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcQfon/vtBJiTSw+5KUincCpcXAArYvCAAAKdA2AAAILywA== From: "HEMIGE Venu" To: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" , "Kireeti Kompella" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 18:31:11.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B5C69A0:01C7042D] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 143.209.238.34 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 287c806b254c6353fcb09ee0e53bbc5e Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi John-Louis, Please see comments inline:=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN=20 > [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:12 AM > To: HEMIGE Venu; Kireeti Kompella > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > Hi Venu >=20 > Think about the protection of a branch node with N downstream LSRs. > If you rely on P2P Bypass tunnels, you end up with N times=20 > the traffic on shared bypass links during failure...=20 > I can show you operational network topologies where N =3D 50,=20 > and you would end up with 50 times the traffic on shared=20 > links. For the sake of illustration, to protect a 2G TV=20 > traffic, you would need 100G capacity to backup the traffic!=20 > no comments... >=20 Agreed. > The situation is not the same with link protection, as you=20 > can rely on a single P2P Bypass, and there is no traffic=20 > replication at all. > Let's say a branch node R1 has two downstream LSR1 R2 and R3 on a P2MP = tree. To protect the link between R1 and R2, the p2p bypass tunnel may = go through R3. In the event of the R1-R2 link failure, traffic from R1 = to R2 will be forwarded via the bypass tunnel. But since R3 is also a = downstream LSR to R1, traffic is forwarded normally on R1-R3 also. So = there are two copies of the multicast traffic on R1-R3. Now, I agree = that the situation is not as bad as that for node protection - there = will be atmost two copies. But that is still an issue, isnt it? Your = draft would solve this issue if you apply it to P2MP link protection as = well. But the complexity would be the same as that for node protection. Regards, -Venu >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com]=20 > > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 9 novembre 2006 17:57 > > =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > > Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > Hi Jean-Louis, > >=20 > > I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several degrees=20 > > more complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I=20 > > am not so sure of the efficiency of even link protection for=20 > > P2MP LSP traffic. The bypass tunnel for a protected link may=20 > > be established over another link or set of links behind which=20 > > there are leaves of the P2MP LSP. So when the protected link=20 > > fails, there would be two copies of the traffic forwarded=20 > > over such links. Isn't that also a concern very similar to=20 > > what you are trying to solve in this draft for node protection? > >=20 > > Regards, > > -Venu > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM > > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on > > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > >=20 > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > >=20 > > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection,=20 > > > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less=20 > > scalable=20 > > > than link protection. > > >=20 > > > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs=20 > > and others=20 > > > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link=20 > > > failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures=20 > > > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to=20 > > give us a=20 > > > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection. > > >=20 > > > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even=20 > > > normalized numbers may be useful. > > >=20 > > > Kireeti. > > > ------- > > >=20 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > mpls mailing list > > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 14:06:03 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiF9P-0004NR-6l; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:01:23 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiF9N-0004Mr-Id for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:01:21 -0500 Received: from mail.turinnetworks.com ([63.197.247.126] helo=milan.turin.turinnetworks.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiF9M-0006pS-VW for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:01:21 -0500 Received: from clavin.turin.turinnetworks.com ([10.1.1.33]) by milan.turin.turinnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 11:01:06 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:47:55 -0800 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcQfon/vtBJiTSw+5KUincCpcXAArYvCAAAKdA2AAASJlbg== References: From: "Greg Mirsky" To: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" , "HEMIGE Venu" , "Kireeti Kompella" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 19:01:06.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[68F47BB0:01C70431] X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2a9ffb6f997442a3b543bcdaf483b990 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0008460658==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0008460658== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7042F.9190B1B7" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7042F.9190B1B7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jean-Lois, I think that there's no question that using p2p bypass tunnels as node = protection for a branch LSR doesn't scale well. But how well will scale = p2mp bypass tunnel for the node protection? I understand Kireeti's = questions as "Isn't Link Protection is good enough while Node Protection = is just marginally better"? Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN = [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com] Sent: Thu 11/9/2006 10:12 AM To: HEMIGE Venu; Kireeti Kompella Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on = draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt =20 Hi Venu Think about the protection of a branch node with N downstream LSRs. If you rely on P2P Bypass tunnels, you end up with N times the traffic = on shared bypass links during failure...=20 I can show you operational network topologies where N =3D 50, and you = would end up with 50 times the traffic on shared links. For the sake of = illustration, to protect a 2G TV traffic, you would need 100G capacity = to backup the traffic! no comments... The situation is not the same with link protection, as you can rely on a = single P2P Bypass, and there is no traffic replication at all. Best Regards, JL > -----Message d'origine----- > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 9 novembre 2006 17:57 > =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 >=20 > Hi Jean-Louis, >=20 > I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several degrees=20 > more complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I=20 > am not so sure of the efficiency of even link protection for=20 > P2MP LSP traffic. The bypass tunnel for a protected link may=20 > be established over another link or set of links behind which=20 > there are leaves of the P2MP LSP. So when the protected link=20 > fails, there would be two copies of the traffic forwarded=20 > over such links. Isn't that also a concern very similar to=20 > what you are trying to solve in this draft for node protection? >=20 > Regards, > -Venu >=20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > >=20 > > Hi Jean-Louis, > >=20 > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection,=20 > > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less=20 > scalable=20 > > than link protection. > >=20 > > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs=20 > and others=20 > > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link=20 > > failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures=20 > > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to=20 > give us a=20 > > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection. > >=20 > > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even=20 > > normalized numbers may be useful. > >=20 > > Kireeti. > > ------- > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7042F.9190B1B7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on = draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt

Dear Jean-Lois,
I think that there's no question that using p2p bypass tunnels as node = protection for a branch LSR doesn't scale well. But how well will scale = p2mp bypass tunnel for the node protection? I understand Kireeti's = questions as "Isn't Link Protection is good enough while Node = Protection is just marginally better"?

Regards,
Greg


-----Original Message-----
From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN [mailto:jeanlouis.lero= ux@orange-ftgroup.com]
Sent: Thu 11/9/2006 10:12 AM
To: HEMIGE Venu; Kireeti Kompella
Cc: mpls@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on = draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt

Hi Venu

Think about the protection of a branch node with N downstream LSRs.
If you rely on P2P Bypass tunnels, you end up with N times the traffic = on shared bypass links during failure...
I can show you operational network topologies where N =3D 50, and you = would end up with 50 times the traffic on shared links. For the sake of = illustration, to protect a 2G TV traffic, you would need 100G capacity = to backup the traffic! no comments...

The situation is not the same with link protection, as you can rely on a = single P2P Bypass, and there is no traffic replication at all.

Best Regards,

JL

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com]
> Envoy=E9 : jeudi 9 novembre 2006 17:57
> =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN
> Cc : mpls@ietf.org
> Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on
> draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt
>
>
> Hi Jean-Louis,
>
> I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several degrees
> more complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I
> am not so sure of the efficiency of even link protection for
> P2MP LSP traffic. The bypass tunnel for a protected link may
> be established over another link or set of links behind which
> there are leaves of the P2MP LSP. So when the protected link
> fails, there would be two copies of the traffic forwarded
> over such links. Isn't that also a concern very similar to
> what you are trying to solve in this draft for node protection?
>
> Regards,
> -Venu
>
> 
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM
> > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN
> > Cc: mpls@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on
> > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt
> >
> > Hi Jean-Louis,
> >
> > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node = protection,
> > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude = less
> scalable
> > than link protection.
> >
> > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs
> and others
> > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of = link
> > failures, node software failures (node recovers), node = failures
> > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to
> give us a
> > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node = protection.
> >
> > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but = even
> > normalized numbers may be useful.
> >
> > Kireeti.
> > -------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > mpls mailing list
> > mpls@lists.ietf.org
> > https://www1.ietf.or= g/mailman/listinfo/mpls
> >
>

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7042F.9190B1B7-- --===============0008460658== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============0008460658==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 14:11:10 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiFFq-0001gn-Oc; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:08:02 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiFFo-0001gP-8U for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:08:00 -0500 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiFFm-0007ox-Ol for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:08:00 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:06:41 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:06:47 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcQfon/vtBJiTSw+5KUincCpcXAArYvCAAAKdA2AAAILywAAAwYaw From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" To: "HEMIGE Venu" , "Kireeti Kompella" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 19:06:41.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[30E66570:01C70432] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d16ce744298aacf98517bc7c108bd198 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Venu,=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : jeudi 9 novembre 2006 19:29 > =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Kireeti Kompella > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 >=20 > Hi John-Louis, >=20 > Please see comments inline:=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:12 AM > > To: HEMIGE Venu; Kireeti Kompella > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > >=20 > > Hi Venu > >=20 > > Think about the protection of a branch node with N downstream LSRs. > > If you rely on P2P Bypass tunnels, you end up with N times=20 > the traffic=20 > > on shared bypass links during failure... > > I can show you operational network topologies where N =3D 50, and = you=20 > > would end up with 50 times the traffic on shared links. For=20 > the sake=20 > > of illustration, to protect a 2G TV traffic, you would need 100G=20 > > capacity to backup the traffic! > > no comments... > >=20 >=20 > Agreed. >=20 > > The situation is not the same with link protection, as you=20 > can rely on=20 > > a single P2P Bypass, and there is no traffic replication at all. > > >=20 > Let's say a branch node R1 has two downstream LSR1 R2 and R3=20 > on a P2MP tree. To protect the link between R1 and R2, the=20 > p2p bypass tunnel may go through R3. In the event of the=20 > R1-R2 link failure, traffic from R1 to R2 will be forwarded=20 > via the bypass tunnel. But since R3 is also a downstream LSR=20 > to R1, traffic is forwarded normally on R1-R3 also. So there=20 > are two copies of the multicast traffic on R1-R3.=20 OK, I get your point.=20 > Now, I=20 > agree that the situation is not as bad as that for node=20 > protection - there will be atmost two copies. But that is=20 > still an issue, isnt it?=20 Yes it is. >Your draft would solve this issue if=20 > you apply it to P2MP link protection as well.=20 Yes, it would solve this issue. A P2MP Bypass may indeed be used to = protect a link downstream to a branch LSR. In case of failure, the = traffic would be tunneled within the P2MP Bypass towards all downstream = LSRs, and there would be only a single copy of the traffic on a = downstream link. Thanks a lot for highlighting this point, IMO this significantly = reinforces the needs for P2MP Bypass tunnels. Best Regards, JL >=20 > Regards, > -Venu >=20 > >=20 > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com] Envoy=E9=20 > : jeudi 9=20 > > > novembre 2006 17:57 =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis=20 > > > RD-CORE-LAN Cc : mpls@ietf.org Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > >=20 > > > I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several degrees more=20 > > > complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I=20 > am not so=20 > > > sure of the efficiency of even link protection for P2MP=20 > LSP traffic.=20 > > > The bypass tunnel for a protected link may be established over=20 > > > another link or set of links behind which there are leaves of the=20 > > > P2MP LSP. So when the protected link fails, there would be two=20 > > > copies of the traffic forwarded over such links. Isn't=20 > that also a=20 > > > concern very similar to what you are trying to solve in=20 > this draft=20 > > > for node protection? > > >=20 > > > Regards, > > > -Venu > > >=20 > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM > > > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > > > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > > > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > > >=20 > > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > > >=20 > > > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node=20 > protection,=20 > > > > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less > > > scalable > > > > than link protection. > > > >=20 > > > > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs > > > and others > > > > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG:=20 > frequencies of link=20 > > > > failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures=20 > > > > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to > > > give us a > > > > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node=20 > protection. > > > >=20 > > > > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even=20 > > > > normalized numbers may be useful. > > > >=20 > > > > Kireeti. > > > > ------- > > > >=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > mpls mailing list > > > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 09 15:28:39 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiGPk-0007WA-6k; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:22:20 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiGPi-0007W1-Hg for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:22:18 -0500 Received: from mailipbo.vtcif.telstra.com.au ([202.12.144.29]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiGPd-0002Xk-KR for mpls@ietf.org; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:22:18 -0500 Received: from webi.vtcif.telstra.com.au (HELO mailbi.vtcif.telstra.com.au) ([202.12.142.19]) by mailipbo.vtcif.telstra.com.au with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2006 07:22:10 +1100 Received: from mail.cdn.telstra.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailbi.vtcif.telstra.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3CF1DA82; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:22:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from wsmsg2952.srv.dir.telstra.com (wsmsg2952.srv.dir.telstra.com [192.74.195.51]) by mail.cdn.telstra.com.au (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA26332; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:22:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from WSMSG2152V.srv.dir.telstra.com ([192.74.195.16]) by wsmsg2952.srv.dir.telstra.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:22:07 +1100 Received: from WSMSG2156V.srv.dir.telstra.com ([192.74.195.32]) by WSMSG2152V.srv.dir.telstra.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:22:07 +1100 Received: from 172.202.10.71 ([172.202.10.71]) by WSMSG2156V.srv.dir.telstra.com ([192.74.195.31]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:22:06 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:22:04 +1100 Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt From: Ian Stanley To: , , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcT74s55vsrsISbuASkOG6li9FAAqfmNAAAhf8oY= In-Reply-To: <4BDBFD169115D54DAA3B74E8CB682A4401828D2D@CATL0MS01.corp.cox.com> Mime-version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2006 20:22:07.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA4EE530:01C7043C] X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 225414c974e0d6437992164e91287a51 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1461636119==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --===============1461636119== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3245988124_1084343" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3245988124_1084343 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit All, We at Telstra have the same arrangements as Cox in terms of redundancy for our nodes and have not experienced a node failure as yet Cheers Ian On 10/11/06 3:48 AM, "Mazen.Khaddam@cox.com" wrote:Mazen.Khaddam@cox.com > Here at Cox, our BB is fully meshed with of TE LSPs between our > core-edge routers with link protection. Based on our history, we have > not seen a node failure yet. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:56 PM > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection, > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less scalable > than link protection. > > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and others > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link > failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to give us a > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection. > > I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even > normalized numbers may be useful. > > Kireeti. > ------- > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > Regards, Ian Stanley National Manager Architecture & Design IP & Data Core Networks | Engineering 02 9396 8508 0419 257221 --B_3245988124_1084343 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt</= TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-siz= e:12.0px'>All,<BR> <BR> We at Telstra have the same arrangements as Cox in terms of redundancy for = our nodes and have not experienced a node failure as yet<BR> <BR> Cheers<BR> Ian<BR> <BR> <BR> On 10/11/06 3:48 AM, "Mazen.Khaddam@cox.com" <Mazen.Khaddam@co= x.com> wrote:Mazen.Khaddam@cox.com<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helvetica, Ar= ial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'>Here at Cox, our BB is fully meshed with= of TE LSPs between our<BR> core-edge routers with link protection. Based on our history, we have<BR> not seen a node failure yet.<BR> <BR> -----Original Message-----<BR> From: Kireeti Kompella [<a href=3D"mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]">mailto:kireet= i@juniper.net]</a><BR> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 2:56 PM<BR> To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN<BR> Cc: mpls@ietf.org<BR> Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on<BR> draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt<BR> <BR> Hi Jean-Louis,<BR> <BR> To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection,<BR> whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less scalable<BR> than link protection.<BR> <BR> I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and others<BR> deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies of link<BR> failures, node software failures (node recovers), node failures<BR> (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to give us a<BR> sense of the importance of continuing the work on node protection.<BR> <BR> I realize that some of these figures may be sensitive, but even<BR> normalized numbers may be useful.<BR> <BR> Kireeti.<BR> -------<BR> <BR> _______________________________________________<BR> mpls mailing list<BR> mpls@lists.ietf.org<BR> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls<BR> <BR> _______________________________________________<BR> mpls mailing list<BR> mpls@lists.ietf.org<BR> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helvetica, A= rial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana, Helvetica= , Arial"> <BR> </FONT></SPAN><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helvetica,= Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:10.0px'>Regards,<BR> Ian Stanley<BR> National Manager<BR> Architecture & Design<BR> IP & Data<BR> Core Networks | Engineering<BR> 02 9396 8508<BR> 0419 257221</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS, Verdana, Helveti= ca, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3245988124_1084343-- --===============1461636119== Content-Type: text/plain; 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And now you want to step back as P2MP node=20 > > protection may be a bit more complex... >=20 > Well, I had the same opinion for p2p; in retrospect, I wish I=20 > had raised the point then. P2MP just makes this a bit more complex. >=20 > But, to repeat, I'm not against node protection. I just want=20 > validation from SPs that the additional complexity etc. of=20 > node protection is required. You said yes; Mazen said no. =20 > Others have yet to speak. =20 Really, and we closed the P2MP RSVP-TE requirement document and moved it to an RFC status without hearing SP-es!=20 The requirement document for P2MP LSP (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4461.txt?number=3D4461) states node = protection as a requirement. You can play with the wording in the RFC but it does state the requirement for supporting options in RFC 4090.=20 IMO bandwidth inefficiency of P2P backup tunnels for node protection for P2MP LSP-es is a major limitation. In this respect, I am in favor of this document.=20 Thanks Regards... Zafar=20 > If SPs were to themselves step=20 > back and reconsider how they really want to protect nodes,=20 > that would be a bonus. >=20 > Finally, this is not a call for consensus, just a request for=20 > information. 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To protect the link between R1 and R2, the=20 > > p2p bypass tunnel may go through R3. In the event of the=20 > > R1-R2 link failure, traffic from R1 to R2 will be forwarded=20 > > via the bypass tunnel. But since R3 is also a downstream LSR=20 > > to R1, traffic is forwarded normally on R1-R3 also. So there=20 > > are two copies of the multicast traffic on R1-R3.=20 >=20 > OK, I get your point.=20 >=20 > > Now, I=20 > > agree that the situation is not as bad as that for node=20 > > protection - there will be atmost two copies. But that is=20 > > still an issue, isnt it?=20 >=20 > Yes it is. I was afraid so too. >=20 > >Your draft would solve this issue if=20 > > you apply it to P2MP link protection as well.=20 >=20 > Yes, it would solve this issue. A P2MP Bypass may indeed be=20 > used to protect a link downstream to a branch LSR. In case of=20 > failure, the traffic would be tunneled within the P2MP Bypass=20 > towards all downstream LSRs, and there would be only a single=20 > copy of the traffic on a downstream link. >=20 I think it can still be very tricky to achieve "single-copy" FRR even if = we use P2MP bypass tunnels (for either node or link protection). In the = above example, let's say R2, R3 and R4 are downstream of R1. And assume = that R5 and R6 are downstream to R2 and are part of the P2MP tree. So = the P2MP bypass tunnel would need to have {R5, R6} as the leaves of the = P2MP bypass tunnel. In addition, since the bypass tunnel goes through = R3, R3 will also have to be part of the bypass tunnel. So bypass tunnel = will have {R3, R5, R6} as leaves. Only then, can we guarantee a = single-copy FRR. When the R1-R2 link is functional, R1 has to switch the = P2MP traffic to {R2, R3, R4}. When the R1-R2 link fails or when the node = R2 fails, R1 needs to forward traffic to {Tunnel protecting R2, R4}. = Note that R3 also needs to be removed from the OIF-list. This can be = tricky both in the control plane and data plane, but I suppose it can be = done. Another worrisome part is the following: In the unicast case, we protect = a link and can tunnel any unicast traffic for that link onto the bypass = tunnel. So it is O(1) processing when a link fails. But in the multicast = case, we will need to make sure that all P2MP trees that will be = forwarding traffic on the P2MP bypass tunnel do not also forward traffic = to R3. So the FRR may not be as responsive as it is for unicast. The above logic would work if the double-copy happens on links connected = to R1. But if the douple-copy happens because of some remote link in the = P2MP tree also being a branch of the tree, then I am not sure how that = can be solved - even with P2MP bypass tunnels. i.e. if the bypass P2MP = tree has to go through R1-Rx-Ry-Rz and the branch Ry-Rz is also a part = of the P2MP tree, then I am not sure how we can ensure single-copy = there. > Thanks a lot for highlighting this point, IMO this=20 > significantly reinforces the needs for P2MP Bypass tunnels. > I agree that for both link and node protection, P2MP bypass is probably = the right option. So if single-copy FRR is an absolute requirement, then = I agree that P2MP Bypass tunnels will be needed. But the complexity is = very high in my opinion. Regards, -Venu >=20 > >=20 > > Regards, > > -Venu > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com] Envoy=E9=20 > > : jeudi 9=20 > > > > novembre 2006 17:57 =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis=20 > > > > RD-CORE-LAN Cc : mpls@ietf.org Objet : RE: [mpls] RE:=20 > Comments on=20 > > > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > > >=20 > > > > I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several=20 > degrees more=20 > > > > complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I=20 > > am not so=20 > > > > sure of the efficiency of even link protection for P2MP=20 > > LSP traffic.=20 > > > > The bypass tunnel for a protected link may be established over=20 > > > > another link or set of links behind which there are=20 > leaves of the=20 > > > > P2MP LSP. So when the protected link fails, there would be two=20 > > > > copies of the traffic forwarded over such links. Isn't=20 > > that also a=20 > > > > concern very similar to what you are trying to solve in=20 > > this draft=20 > > > > for node protection? > > > >=20 > > > > Regards, > > > > -Venu > > > >=20 > > > > =20 > > > >=20 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM > > > > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > > > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > > > > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > > > >=20 > > > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > > > >=20 > > > > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node=20 > > protection,=20 > > > > > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less > > > > scalable > > > > > than link protection. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs > > > > and others > > > > > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG:=20 > > frequencies of link=20 > > > > > failures, node software failures (node recovers),=20 > node failures=20 > > > > > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to > > > > give us a > > > > > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node=20 > > protection. > > > > >=20 > > > > > I realize that some of these figures may be=20 > sensitive, but even=20 > > > > > normalized numbers may be useful. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Kireeti. > > > > > ------- > > > > >=20 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > mpls mailing list > > > > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From affluentconcede@rossocompany.com Thu Nov 09 22:39:14 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiNEY-0000QY-JE; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 22:39:14 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SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:27:53 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:27:56 +0100 Message-ID: <D109C8C97C15294495117745780657AE06486B45@ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcQfon/vtBJiTSw+5KUincCpcXAArYvCAAAKdA2AAAILywAAAwYawAAvspCAAFBqxsA== From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com> To: "HEMIGE Venu" <Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com>, "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2006 10:27:53.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[E12B4E70:01C704B2] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a0534e6179a1e260079328e8b03c7901 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Venu,=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 10 novembre 2006 02:02 > =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Kireeti Kompella > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > Hi John-Louis, >=20 > <...deleted...> >=20 > > >=20 > > > > The situation is not the same with link protection, as you > > > can rely on > > > > a single P2P Bypass, and there is no traffic replication at all. > > > > > > >=20 > > > Let's say a branch node R1 has two downstream LSR1 R2 and R3 on a=20 > > > P2MP tree. To protect the link between R1 and R2, the p2p bypass=20 > > > tunnel may go through R3. In the event of the > > > R1-R2 link failure, traffic from R1 to R2 will be=20 > forwarded via the=20 > > > bypass tunnel. But since R3 is also a downstream LSR to=20 > R1, traffic=20 > > > is forwarded normally on R1-R3 also. So there are two=20 > copies of the=20 > > > multicast traffic on R1-R3. > >=20 > > OK, I get your point.=20 > >=20 > > > Now, I > > > agree that the situation is not as bad as that for node=20 > protection -=20 > > > there will be atmost two copies. But that is still an issue, isnt=20 > > > it? > >=20 > > Yes it is. >=20 > I was afraid so too. >=20 > >=20 > > >Your draft would solve this issue if you apply it to P2MP link=20 > > >protection as well. > >=20 > > Yes, it would solve this issue. A P2MP Bypass may indeed be used to=20 > > protect a link downstream to a branch LSR. In case of failure, the=20 > > traffic would be tunneled within the P2MP Bypass towards all=20 > > downstream LSRs, and there would be only a single copy of=20 > the traffic=20 > > on a downstream link. > >=20 >=20 > I think it can still be very tricky to achieve "single-copy"=20 > FRR even if we use P2MP bypass tunnels (for either node or=20 > link protection). In the above example, let's say R2, R3 and=20 > R4 are downstream of R1. And assume that R5 and R6 are=20 > downstream to R2 and are part of the P2MP tree. So the P2MP=20 > bypass tunnel would need to have {R5, R6} as the leaves of=20 > the P2MP bypass tunnel. In addition, since the bypass tunnel=20 > goes through R3, R3 will also have to be part of the bypass=20 > tunnel. So bypass tunnel will have {R3, R5, R6} as leaves.=20 > Only then, can we guarantee a single-copy FRR. When the R1-R2=20 > link is functional, R1 has to switch the P2MP traffic to {R2,=20 > R3, R4}. When the R1-R2 link fails or when the node R2 fails,=20 > R1 needs to forward traffic to {Tunnel protecting R2, R4}.=20 > Note that R3 also needs to be removed from the OIF-list. This=20 > can be tricky both in the control plane and data plane, but I=20 > suppose it can be done. >=20 > Another worrisome part is the following: In the unicast case,=20 > we protect a link and can tunnel any unicast traffic for that=20 > link onto the bypass tunnel. So it is O(1) processing when a=20 > link fails. But in the multicast case, we will need to make=20 > sure that all P2MP trees that will be forwarding traffic on=20 > the P2MP bypass tunnel do not also forward traffic to R3. So=20 > the FRR may not be as responsive as it is for unicast. This is a local implementation issue. You may prepare all backup outputs = in advance and rely on a clever mechanism (that I won't describe here) = to avoid any impact on the recovery time. >=20 > The above logic would work if the double-copy happens on=20 > links connected to R1. But if the douple-copy happens because=20 > of some remote link in the P2MP tree also being a branch of=20 > the tree, then I am not sure how that can be solved - even=20 > with P2MP bypass tunnels. i.e. if the bypass P2MP tree has to=20 > go through R1-Rx-Ry-Rz and the branch Ry-Rz is also a part of=20 > the P2MP tree, then I am not sure how we can ensure single-copy there. Note that in enough redundant topologies such situation is very unlikely = to happen. >=20 > > Thanks a lot for highlighting this point, IMO this significantly=20 > > reinforces the needs for P2MP Bypass tunnels. > > >=20 > I agree that for both link and node protection, P2MP bypass=20 > is probably the right option. So if single-copy FRR is an=20 > absolute requirement,=20 Yes it is a strong requirement. >then I agree that P2MP Bypass tunnels=20 > will be needed. But the complexity is very high in my opinion. You should mitigate a bit...This is for sure more complex but definitely = not highly complex IMO. Anyway, hierarchy and upstream label assignement will also be needed for = other applications (e.g. MVPN Aggregation)... Best Regards, JL >=20 > Regards, > -Venu >=20 > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Regards, > > > -Venu > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com] Envoy=E9 > > > : jeudi 9 > > > > > novembre 2006 17:57 =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis = > > > > > RD-CORE-LAN Cc : mpls@ietf.org Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: > > Comments on > > > > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > > > >=20 > > > > > I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several > > degrees more > > > > > complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I > > > am not so > > > > > sure of the efficiency of even link protection for P2MP > > > LSP traffic.=20 > > > > > The bypass tunnel for a protected link may be=20 > established over=20 > > > > > another link or set of links behind which there are > > leaves of the > > > > > P2MP LSP. So when the protected link fails, there=20 > would be two=20 > > > > > copies of the traffic forwarded over such links. Isn't > > > that also a > > > > > concern very similar to what you are trying to solve in > > > this draft > > > > > for node protection? > > > > >=20 > > > > > Regards, > > > > > -Venu > > > > >=20 > > > > > =20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM > > > > > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > > > > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > > > > > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Hi Jean-Louis, > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node > > > protection, > > > > > > whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less > > > > > scalable > > > > > > than link protection. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs > > > > > and others > > > > > > deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG:=20 > > > frequencies of link > > > > > > failures, node software failures (node recovers), > > node failures > > > > > > (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to > > > > > give us a > > > > > > sense of the importance of continuing the work on node > > > protection. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > I realize that some of these figures may be > > sensitive, but even > > > > > > normalized numbers may be useful. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Kireeti. > > > > > > ------- > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > mpls mailing list > > > > > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Fri Nov 10 10:17:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GiY2j-00053x-Up; 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a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1851; t=1163171502; x=1164035502; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=sjdkim8002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20<jvasseur@cisco.com> |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20RE=3A=20Comments=20on=20draft-leroux-mpls-p2 mp-te-bypass-00.txt |Sender:=20; bh=9HELjCuY5d71NCKG4qLlU1q6VElKzOGFEUyvtTZWTi0=; b=LBFCOfhTIZOLLlbEj8Jc5sd9FD2E0vHYvOzMCi3wp0x/7J1/OhNlfpvyz3HhnhaY42ln2FiL /XbbYiAxAi5B30tb3tytoZgxaFYCwjHI2SuJ4QPEp6mKoRk5J5/EfyqB; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-8; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim8002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 082a9cbf4d599f360ac7f815372a6a15 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org On Nov 8, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Kireeti Kompella wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, JP Vasseur wrote: > >> Hi Kireeti, >> >> thoughts in line >> >> On Nov 8, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Kireeti Kompella wrote: >> >>> Hi Jean-Louis, >>> To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node protection, >>> whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less >>> scalable than link protection. >> >> Ah well, starting some discussion on a definition of "scalability" >> may quickly become a cumbersome task. > > I have no intention of starting such a discussion. > feeling better ;-) >> Node P undoubtedly requires more backup tunnels compared to link >> protection. > > That's all I said. Thanks for agreeing. I agreed that Node P requires more backup, not to a point that we may have scalability issues. > Now can we get to the real point? > Having this debate is just fine. Just one last thing ... if there's no issue, why not continue developing protocols supporting node P then ? >>> I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs and >>> others deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: frequencies >>> of link failures, node software failures (node recovers), node >>> failures (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, >>> to give us a sense of the importance of continuing the work on >>> node protection. > > The idea is *not* to start a religious war, or to propose some > solution or other. The idea is to get a better understanding of > failures that really happen in networks. > > I would agree with you on another point: the impact (and other > parameters, like duration, cost of recovery, etc.) are all > interesting factors. I'll take as much as SPs are willing to share. > Opinions/Feedback are indeed most welcome here. 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<jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com>, HEMIGE Venu <Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com>, Kireeti Kompella <kireeti@juniper.net> Message-ID: <C17B3BD4.35433%ptomsu@cisco.com> Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccDcQfon/vtBJiTSw+5KUincCpcXAArYvCAAAKdA2AAAILywAAAwYawAAvspCAAFBqxsAAtcDbE In-Reply-To: <D109C8C97C15294495117745780657AE06486B45@ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2006 07:35:35.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9D81E60:01C70563] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=7685; t=1163230536; x=1164094536; c=relaxed/simple; s=amsdkim1002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=ptomsu@cisco.com; z=From:=20Peter=20Tomsu=20<ptomsu@cisco.com> |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20RE=3A=20Comments=20on=20draft-leroux-mpls-p2 mp-te-bypass-00.txt |Sender:=20; bh=JIep/C/s7Qv2j5bA6FWwLku/DdbQMBNpkz+M9YSWY1o=; b=BNiApRszFHMNHo2R8Zt2D0VHyhJ/Smt9uOLNyOpLOWWUMpQMQWQtDsaDlEHgXuY/2UN4x8vs DgZZ0NDOKlLCXDYV8de8Mzi8vm8qah6IdSjoddFZay1dCEyVrGgZJRMW; Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-1; header.From=ptomsu@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/amsdkim1002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1924de3f9fb68e58c31920136007eb1 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Well, if topologies are redundant enough, lot of issues will go away Peter On 10.11.2006 11:27 Uhr, "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com> wrote: > Hi Venu,=20 >=20 >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com] >> Envoy=E9 : vendredi 10 novembre 2006 02:02 >> =C0 : LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN; Kireeti Kompella >> Cc : mpls@ietf.org >> Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on >> draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >>=20 >> Hi John-Louis, >>=20 >> <...deleted...> >>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> The situation is not the same with link protection, as you >>>> can rely on >>>>> a single P2P Bypass, and there is no traffic replication at all. >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Let's say a branch node R1 has two downstream LSR1 R2 and R3 on a >>>> P2MP tree. To protect the link between R1 and R2, the p2p bypass >>>> tunnel may go through R3. In the event of the >>>> R1-R2 link failure, traffic from R1 to R2 will be >> forwarded via the >>>> bypass tunnel. But since R3 is also a downstream LSR to >> R1, traffic=20 >>>> is forwarded normally on R1-R3 also. So there are two >> copies of the=20 >>>> multicast traffic on R1-R3. >>>=20 >>> OK, I get your point. >>>=20 >>>> Now, I >>>> agree that the situation is not as bad as that for node >> protection -=20 >>>> there will be atmost two copies. But that is still an issue, isnt >>>> it? >>>=20 >>> Yes it is. >>=20 >> I was afraid so too. >>=20 >>>=20 >>>> Your draft would solve this issue if you apply it to P2MP link >>>> protection as well. >>>=20 >>> Yes, it would solve this issue. A P2MP Bypass may indeed be used to >>> protect a link downstream to a branch LSR. In case of failure, the >>> traffic would be tunneled within the P2MP Bypass towards all >>> downstream LSRs, and there would be only a single copy of >> the traffic=20 >>> on a downstream link. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I think it can still be very tricky to achieve "single-copy" >> FRR even if we use P2MP bypass tunnels (for either node or >> link protection). In the above example, let's say R2, R3 and >> R4 are downstream of R1. And assume that R5 and R6 are >> downstream to R2 and are part of the P2MP tree. So the P2MP >> bypass tunnel would need to have {R5, R6} as the leaves of >> the P2MP bypass tunnel. In addition, since the bypass tunnel >> goes through R3, R3 will also have to be part of the bypass >> tunnel. So bypass tunnel will have {R3, R5, R6} as leaves. >> Only then, can we guarantee a single-copy FRR. When the R1-R2 >> link is functional, R1 has to switch the P2MP traffic to {R2, >> R3, R4}. When the R1-R2 link fails or when the node R2 fails, >> R1 needs to forward traffic to {Tunnel protecting R2, R4}. >> Note that R3 also needs to be removed from the OIF-list. This >> can be tricky both in the control plane and data plane, but I >> suppose it can be done. >>=20 >> Another worrisome part is the following: In the unicast case, >> we protect a link and can tunnel any unicast traffic for that >> link onto the bypass tunnel. So it is O(1) processing when a >> link fails. But in the multicast case, we will need to make >> sure that all P2MP trees that will be forwarding traffic on >> the P2MP bypass tunnel do not also forward traffic to R3. So >> the FRR may not be as responsive as it is for unicast. >=20 > This is a local implementation issue. You may prepare all backup outputs = in > advance and rely on a clever mechanism (that I won't describe here) to av= oid > any impact on the recovery time. >=20 >>=20 >> The above logic would work if the double-copy happens on >> links connected to R1. But if the douple-copy happens because >> of some remote link in the P2MP tree also being a branch of >> the tree, then I am not sure how that can be solved - even >> with P2MP bypass tunnels. i.e. if the bypass P2MP tree has to >> go through R1-Rx-Ry-Rz and the branch Ry-Rz is also a part of >> the P2MP tree, then I am not sure how we can ensure single-copy there. >=20 > Note that in enough redundant topologies such situation is very unlikely = to > happen. >=20 >>=20 >>> Thanks a lot for highlighting this point, IMO this significantly >>> reinforces the needs for P2MP Bypass tunnels. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I agree that for both link and node protection, P2MP bypass >> is probably the right option. So if single-copy FRR is an >> absolute requirement, >=20 > Yes it is a strong requirement. >=20 >> then I agree that P2MP Bypass tunnels >> will be needed. But the complexity is very high in my opinion. >=20 > You should mitigate a bit...This is for sure more complex but definitely = not > highly complex IMO. > Anyway, hierarchy and upstream label assignement will also be needed for = other > applications (e.g. MVPN Aggregation)... >=20 > Best Regards, >=20 > JL >=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >> -Venu >>=20 >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, >>>> -Venu >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>>>> De : HEMIGE Venu [mailto:Venu.Hemige@alcatel.com] Envoy=E9 >>>> : jeudi 9 >>>>>> novembre 2006 17:57 =C0 : Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis >>>>>> RD-CORE-LAN Cc : mpls@ietf.org Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: >>> Comments on >>>>>> draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi Jean-Louis, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I agree with Kireeti that node protection is several >>> degrees more >>>>>> complex, definitely in the case of P2MP LSPs. However, I >>>> am not so >>>>>> sure of the efficiency of even link protection for P2MP >>>> LSP traffic.=20 >>>>>> The bypass tunnel for a protected link may be >> established over >>>>>> another link or set of links behind which there are >>> leaves of the >>>>>> P2MP LSP. So when the protected link fails, there >> would be two=20 >>>>>> copies of the traffic forwarded over such links. Isn't >>>> that also a >>>>>> concern very similar to what you are trying to solve in >>>> this draft >>>>>> for node protection? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> -Venu >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:56 AM >>>>>>> To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN >>>>>>> Cc: mpls@ietf.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [mpls] RE: Comments on >>>>>>> draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hi Jean-Louis, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> To re-iterate my comment in the WG, in general, node >>>> protection, >>>>>>> whether for p2p or p2mp LSPs, is an order of magnitude less >>>>>> scalable >>>>>>> than link protection. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I think we should step back at this point, and request SPs >>>>>> and others >>>>>>> deploying MPLS networks to share with the WG: >>>> frequencies of link >>>>>>> failures, node software failures (node recovers), >>> node failures >>>>>>> (requires manual intervention), and battery explosions, to >>>>>> give us a >>>>>>> sense of the importance of continuing the work on node >>>> protection. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I realize that some of these figures may be >>> sensitive, but even >>>>>>> normalized numbers may be useful. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Kireeti. >>>>>>> ------- >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> mpls mailing list >>>>>>> mpls@lists.ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From pwcrythlaw@parkplacelimo.com Sat Nov 11 04:47:16 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GipSG-0007pg-Qt for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:47:16 -0500 Received: from stsc1260-eth-s1-s1p1-vip.va.neustar.com ([156.154.16.129] helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GipSG-0003Yk-MC for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:47:16 -0500 Received: from [222.106.26.240] (helo=[222.106.26.240]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GipSE-0000TF-I5 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 04:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c70576$566d9350$00000000@jgj3m9pmft933k> From: "Your" <pwcrythlaw@parkplacelimo.com> To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org References: <000901c70576$566d9350$00000000@jgj3m9pmft933k> Subject: Re: HIGHLIGHTS Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:46:22 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C705C1.B804D560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Score: 4.7 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: 2bcdb6f0ba9636bf286b7e28ccb8bd9b This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C705C1.B804D560 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01C705C1.B804D560" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01C705C1.B804D560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org=20 To: pwcrythlaw@parkplacelimo.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 06:33:01 PM Subject: HIGHLIGHTS Regroup or ahead am first Ashes Test Extras Holloway of columni cant! 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<mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0628734055==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============0628734055== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-209556228 --Apple-Mail-1-209556228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Begin forwarded message: > From: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com> > Date: September 20, 2006 12:06:03 PM EDT > To: dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be > Cc: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.se>, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, > mpls@ietf.org > Subject: Fwd: [mpls] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te- > lsps-02.txt > > resending > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com> >> Date: September 20, 2006 10:14:11 AM EDT >> To: Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be >> Cc: "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.se>, <mpls@ietf.org>, Adrian Farrel >> <adrian@olddog.co.uk> >> Subject: Re: [mpls] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te- >> lsps-02.txt >> >> Hi dimitri, >> >> On Sep 8, 2006, at 6:07 AM, Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be wrote: >> >>> all - a couple of comments on this document >>> >>> o) status intended for info or std track ? >>> >> >> Standard Track. >> >>> o) end of section 1 - what about LSPs not instantiated via >>> signaling ? are >>> they also incorporated in the LSP counter ? >>> >> >> Referring to TE LSP signalled. >> >>> o) section 2 - "Unconstrained TE LSP" why only bandwidth enters >>> in the >>> definition of "unconstrained" or does it become now an new equation >>> constraint = bandwidth ? >> >> This has been clarified in the text: "TE Label Switched Paths >> (LSPs) signalled with zero bandwdith (referred to as unconstrained >> TE LSP in this document)" >> >>> >>> o) as the document states "There are various circumstances (detailed >>> below) where it would be useful to also advertise the number of >>> unconstrained Traffic Engineering Label Switch Path(s) (TE LSP)." >>> >>> what is the use of the other TLVs describing unreserved/reservable >>> bandwidth in these conditions ? what about overprovisioning (wrt >>> #LSPs) ? >>> >> >> When you signal a TE LSP with zero bandwidth then the TLVs used to >> advertise the reserved bandwidth are obviously unchanged. >> >>> o) as the document involves a procedure "An implementation may >>> decide to >>> implement a dual-thresholds mechanism to govern the origination >>> of updated >>> OSPF LSA or ISIS LSP." >>> >>> - threshold on which basis ? - >>> >> >> I clarified the text: >> >> An implementation MAY decide to implement a dual-thresholds >> mechanism based on the number of unconstrained TE LSPs to govern >> the origination of updated OSPF LSA or ISIS LSP. Similarly to >> other MPLS Traffic Engineering link characteristics, LSA/LSP >> origination trigger mechanisms are outside of the scope of this >> document. >> >>> o) more fundamental - bandwidth gives an implicit limitation on >>> the number >>> of signaling states an interface could receive - the mechanism >>> disappears >>> here, counting is started from 0 if my reading is correct (the >>> draft does >>> not even clearly mention how counting is performed and translated >>> into the >>> field assigned in the newly defined TLV) >>> what is the AC mechanism provided such as to prevent crashing the >>> signaling engine since there is no limit about the number of LSPs >>> that can >>> cross a given node ? in brief, there is an impact on signaling >>> with this >>> draft - >> >> Ah NO. >> >> Is there anything that prevents you today to signal a TE LSP with >> bandwidth=0 as per RFC2205/3209? No ... so if the issue exists it >> has nothing to do with this draft. Note that this is a common >> practice in deployed networks and other IDs deal with potential >> out-of-resource issues from a control plane perspective. >> >> Thanks. >> >> JP. >> >>> >>> thanks, >>> - dimitri >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> >>> 05/09/2006 00:00 >>> Please respond to Adrian Farrel >>> >>> To: >>> cc: >>> Subject: Re: [mpls] WG Last Call on >>> draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> A quick review of this I-D leaves me puzzled by the motivation. I >>> don't >>> think it is enough to say "I want to know how many unconstrained >>> TE LSPs >>> traverse every link in the network"; we must have an idea of how >>> that >>> information will be used. >>> >>> Now the I-D says: >>> >>> ... in the Abstract >>> There are various >>> circumstances (for example in order to load balance >>> unconstrained TE >>> Label Switched Path (LSP) across a set of equal cost paths) >>> where it >>> would be useful to also advertise the number of unconstrained >>> Traffic >>> Engineering Label Switched Path(s) (TE LSP) signalled across a >>> link. >>> >>> ... and in the Introduction >>> If the >>> number of unconstrained TE LSPs traversing each link in the >>> network >>> is known, various algorithms can be designed so as to efficiently >>> load balance the traffic carried onto such unconstrained TE LSPs. >>> >>> ...but this seems to me to be an supported assertion. I guess you >>> could >>> cite >>> a reference so you don't need to prove the algorithms here. But >>> it seems >>> to >>> me that the count of such LSPs is a very poor measure indeed. The >>> only way >>> >>> you could use it would be if you could make some fairly tight >>> statistical >>> assumptions about the traffic on each LSP, or at least the >>> statistically >>> aggregate traffic on a number of LSPs. >>> >>> Surely it would be better for the LSRs to report link usage >>> rather than >>> the >>> number of LSPs? If you are trying to protect the LFIB from excessive >>> growth >>> then your proposal would be reasonable, but the problem you have >>> stated is >>> >>> one of load balancing and for that you need to know the load, not >>> the >>> number >>> of LSPs. >>> >>> I also have the following nits and small issues in the I-D. >>> >>> A Link-Type sub-TLV to convey the number of Traffic >>> Engineering Label >>> Switch Paths signalled across a link >>> >>> ## Is this title right? I think your proposal is only to count >>> LSPs that >>> have zero reserved bandwidth. >>> >>> Abstract >>> >>> ## I think "ISIS" should be spelled "IS-IS" >>> ## Some acronyms need to be expanded on their first usage: >>> ## IS-IS, MPLS, TE >>> >>> 1. Introduction >>> >>> ## I think "ISIS" should be spelled "IS-IS" >>> ## Acronyms have to be spelled out again (separate from the >>> Abstract) the >>> ## first time they are used. Maybe move the terminology section >>> above the >>> ## Introduction? >>> >>> A set of Link-type sub-TLVs have been defined for OSPF and >>> ISIS (see >>> [I-D.ietf-isis-te-bis] and [RFC3630]) in the context of MPLS >>> Traffic >>> ## References are in the wrong order >>> >>> It is not uncommon to deploy MPLS Traffic Engineering for the >>> sake of >>> fast recovery relying on a local protection recovery mechanism >>> such >>> as MPLS TE Fast Reroute (see [RFC4090]). In this case, a >>> deployment >>> model consists of deploying a full mesh of unconstrained TE LSPs >>> between a set of LSRs and protect these TE LSPs with pre- >>> established >>> ## s/protct/protecting/ >>> ## Better to reorder.. >>> ## ...and protecting these TE LSPs against link..... with >>> pre-established... >>> backup tunnels against link, SRLG and/or node failures. The >>> traffic >>> routed onto such unconstrained TE LSP simply follows the IGP >>> shortest >>> path but is protected with MPLS TE Fast Reroute. >>> ## I guess you are implying that each TE LSP is installed as a >>> virtual >>> link >>> ## in the IGP and is assigned a cost. But you haven't said so. >>> >>> With MPLS Traffic Engineering a usual rerouting criteria is the >>> discovery of a better path for a TE LSP where a better path is >>> defined as a path with a lower cost according to a specific >>> metric; >>> other metric such that the percentage of reserved bandwidth or >>> the >>> number of hops can also be used. >>> ## I can guess the meaning here, but I can't parse the sentence. >>> >>> Unfortunately, for instance in the >>> presence of ECMPs (Equal Cost Multi-Paths) in symmetrical >>> networks >>> when unconstrained TE LSP are used, such metrics are usually >>> ## s/LSP/LSPs/ >>> >>> This document specifies a new Link-type Traffic >>> Engineering sub-TLV used to indicate the number of >>> unconstrained TE >>> LSP signalled across a link. >>> ## s/LSP/LSPs/ >>> >>> Note that the specification of load balancing algorithms is >>> outside >>> of the scope of this document and merely listed for the sake of >>> illustration of the motivation for gathering such information. >>> ## Very good, but if such algorithms cannot exist based on the >>> data you >>> ## are collecting, then you would do better to list another >>> illustrative >>> ## example. >>> >>> Furthermore, the knowledge of the number of unconstrained TE LSPs >>> signalled across each link can be used for other purposes (e.g. >>> management, ...). >>> ## Either make some good suggestions or delete this paragraph. But >>> ## that would be to note that the only use you have to suggest is >>> ## "load balancing" >>> >>> 2. Terminology >>> >>> Unconstrained TE LSP: A TE LSP signalled with a bandwidth >>> equal to 0. >>> ## When you say "a bandwidth equal to 0" you do not mean that >>> there is >>> ## no traffic carried. Can you be more specific in this >>> definition about >>> ## what you do mean. >>> >>> 3.1. IS-IS >>> >>> The NB-0-BW-LSP sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST appear at most once >>> within the extended IS reachability TLV (type 22) specified in >>> [I-D.ietf-isis-te-bis]. >>> ## What should a receiver do if a second instance is encountered? >>> >>> Value (4 octets): number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled >>> across >>> the link. >>> ## Do you intend to only count the TE LSPs that have been >>> signaled or >>> ## are you also interested in those that have been manually >>> configured? >>> >>> 3.2. OSPF >>> >>> The NB-0-BW-LSP sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST appear at most once >>> within the Link TLV (Type 2) that is itself carried within the >>> Traffic Engineering LSA specified in [RFC3630]. >>> ## As above >>> >>> Value (4 octets): number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled >>> across >>> the link. >>> ## As above >>> >>> 4. Elements of procedure >>> >>> An implementation may decide to implement a dual-thresholds >>> mechanism >>> to govern the origination of updated OSPF LSA or ISIS LSP. >>> Similarly >>> to other MPLS Traffic Engineering link characteristics, LSA/LSP >>> origination trigger mechanisms are outside of the scope of this >>> document. >>> ## Is that "may" actually a "MAY"? Wouldn't a SHOULD or MUST be >>> better? >>> ## If the unconstrained TE LSPs are stable (i.e. not changing >>> often) then >>> ## there is clearly no need for this extension as part of the >>> routing >>> ## protocol - it could be safely gathered using the management >>> plane. So >>> ## we must assume that the rate of change of unconstrained TE >>> LSPs is >>> ## non-trivial in which case this I-D must concern itself with >>> the impact >>> ## on the stability of the IGP of distributing this information. >>> >>> 5. IANA Considerations >>> >>> ## Can you point IANA at the appropriate registries, please. >>> >>> 6. Security Considerations >>> >>> This document raises no new security issues for IS-IS and OSPF. >>> ## You are distributing additional information about the network, so >>> ## there must be an additional security consideration. >>> ## What would happen if an LSR accientally or deliberately >>> misreported >>> ## the number of LSPs? What wuld happen if that information was >>> spoofed >>> ## or interfered with? >>> >>> 8.1. Normative References >>> >>> [I-D.ietf-isis-te-bis] >>> Li, T. and H. Smit, "IS-IS extensions for Traffic >>> Engineering", draft-ietf-isis-te-bis-00 (work in >>> progress), September 2005. >>> ## Is this date right? I see August 2005. >>> ## Anyway, the I-D has expired which is not a good sign for a >>> normative >>> reference. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Adrian >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Loa Andersson" <loa@pi.se> >>> To: <mpls@ietf.org> >>> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:08 AM >>> Subject: [mpls] WG Last Call on draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te- >>> lsps-02.txt >>> >>> >>>> Working Group, >>>> >>>> this initiates a two week working group last call on >>>> draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt >>>> >>>> The wg last call ends on September 17. >>>> >>>> Please send comments to the working group mailing list and/or >>>> the working group chairs. >>>> >>>> /Loa and George >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Loa Andersson >>>> >>>> Principal Networking Architect >>>> Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 >>>> Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 >>>> Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se >>>> loa@pi.se >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mpls mailing list >>>> mpls@lists.ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpls mailing list >>> mpls@lists.ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpls mailing list >>> mpls@lists.ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >> > --Apple-Mail-1-209556228 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><BR><DIV>Begin = forwarded message:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica">JP Vasseur <<A = href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">jvasseur@cisco.com</A>></FONT></DIV>= <DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica">September 20, 2006 12:06:03 PM EDT</FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica"><A = href=3D"mailto:dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be">dimitri.papadimitriou@alc= atel.be</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><B>Cc: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica">Loa Andersson <<A = href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.se">loa@pi.se</A>>, Adrian Farrel <<A = href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</A>>, <A = href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</A></FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica"><B>Fwd: [mpls] WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt</B></FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> = resending<BR><DIV><BR><DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica">JP Vasseur <<A = href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">jvasseur@cisco.com</A>></FONT></DIV>= <DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica">September 20, 2006 10:14:11 AM EDT</FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica"><A = href=3D"mailto:Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be">Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alc= atel.be</A></FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><B>Cc: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica">"Loa Andersson" <<A = href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.se">loa@pi.se</A>>, <<A = href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</A>>, Adrian Farrel = <<A = href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</A>></FONT></DI= V><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica"><B>Re: [mpls] WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt</B></FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> Hi = dimitri,<DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 8, 2006, at 6:07 AM, <A = href=3D"mailto:Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alcatel.be">Dimitri.Papadimitriou@alc= atel.be</A> wrote:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">all - a couple of comments on this = document</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">o) status intended for info or std track ?</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Standard = Track.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">o) end of section 1 - what about = LSPs not instantiated via signaling ? are<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">they = also incorporated in the LSP counter ?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Referring to TE LSP = signalled.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">o) section 2 - = "Unconstrained TE LSP" why only bandwidth enters in the<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">definition of "unconstrained" or does it become now an new = equation<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">constraint =3D bandwidth = ?</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>This has been clarified in = the text: <I>"TE Label Switched Paths (LSPs) signalled with zero = bandwdith (referred to as unconstrained TE LSP in this = document)"</I></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">o) as = the document states "There are various circumstances (detailed<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">below) = where it would be useful to also advertise the number of<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">unconstrained Traffic Engineering Label Switch Path(s) (TE = LSP)."</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">what is the use of the other TLVs describing = unreserved/reservable<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">bandwidth in these conditions ? what about overprovisioning (wrt = #LSPs) ?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; = "><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>When you signal a TE LSP = with zero bandwidth then the TLVs used to advertise the reserved = bandwidth are obviously unchanged.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV= style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">o) as = the document involves a procedure "An implementation may decide to<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">implement a dual-thresholds mechanism to govern the origination of = updated<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">OSPF LSA or ISIS LSP."</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- threshold = on which basis ? -</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; = "><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I clarified the = text:=A0</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><I>An = implementation MAY decide to implement a dual-thresholds mechanism = <B>based on the number of unconstrained TE LSPs</B> to govern the = origination of updated OSPF LSA or ISIS LSP. Similarly to other MPLS = Traffic Engineering link characteristics, LSA/LSP origination trigger = mechanisms are outside of the scope of this = document.</I></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">o) more fundamental - = bandwidth gives an implicit limitation on the number<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">of = signaling states an interface could receive - the mechanism = disappears<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">here, counting is started from 0 if my reading is = correct (the draft does<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">not even = clearly mention how counting is performed and translated into the<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">field = assigned in the newly defined TLV)<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">what is = the AC mechanism provided such as to prevent crashing the<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">signaling engine since there is no limit about the number of LSPs that = can<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">cross a given node ? in brief, there is an impact on = signaling with this<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">draft = -</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span"><B>Ah NO.</B>=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-style-span">Is there anything that prevents you today to = signal a TE LSP with bandwidth=3D0 as per RFC2205/3209? No ... so = <B>if</B> the issue exists it has nothing to do with this draft. Note = that this is a common practice in deployed networks and other IDs deal = with potential out-of-resource issues from a control plane = perspective.</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks.</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE = type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">thanks,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- = dimitri</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">"Adrian Farrel" <<A = href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</A>></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">05/09/2006 00:00</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Please = respond to Adrian Farrel</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>To:<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>cc:<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>Subject:<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>Re: [mpls] WG = Last Call on<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hi,</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">A quick = review of this I-D leaves me puzzled by the motivation. I don't<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">think it = is enough to say "I want to know how many unconstrained TE LSPs<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">traverse = every link in the network"; we must have an idea of how that<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">information will be used.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Now the I-D says:</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">... in = the Abstract</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>There are = various</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>circumstances (for example = in order to load balance unconstrained TE</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>Label Switched Path (LSP) = across a set of equal cost paths) where it</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>would be useful to also = advertise the number of unconstrained Traffic</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>Engineering Label Switched Path(s) (TE LSP) signalled across a = link.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">... and in the Introduction</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>If the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>number of unconstrained TE = LSPs traversing each link in the network</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>is known, various = algorithms can be designed so as to efficiently</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>load balance the traffic carried onto such unconstrained TE = LSPs.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">...but this seems to me to be an supported = assertion. I guess you could<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">cite<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">a reference so you don't need to prove the = algorithms here. But it seems<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">me that = the count of such LSPs is a very poor measure indeed. The only way<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">you could use = it would be if you could make some fairly tight statistical<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">assumptions about the traffic on each LSP, or at least the = statistically<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">aggregate traffic on a number of LSPs.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Surely = it would be better for the LSRs to report link usage rather than<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">number = of LSPs? If you are trying to protect the LFIB from excessive<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">growth<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">then your proposal would be reasonable, but the = problem you have stated is<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">one of load = balancing and for that you need to know the load, not the<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">number<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">of LSPs.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I also have the following nits = and small issues in the I-D.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>A Link-Type sub-TLV to = convey the number of Traffic Engineering Label</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>Switch Paths signalled across a = link</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## Is this title right? I think your proposal is = only to count LSPs that<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">have = zero reserved bandwidth.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Abstract</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## I = think "ISIS" should be spelled "IS-IS"</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## Some = acronyms need to be expanded on their first usage:</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## IS-IS, MPLS, TE</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">1.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Introduction</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## I = think "ISIS" should be spelled "IS-IS"</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## = Acronyms have to be spelled out again (separate from the Abstract) = the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## first time they are used. = Maybe move the terminology section above the</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## Introduction?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>A set of Link-type = sub-TLVs have been defined for OSPF and ISIS (see</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>[I-D.ietf-isis-te-bis] and [RFC3630]) in the context of MPLS = Traffic</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## References are in the wrong = order</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>It is not uncommon to deploy MPLS Traffic Engineering for the = sake of</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>fast recovery relying on a = local protection recovery mechanism such</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>as MPLS TE Fast Reroute = (see [RFC4090]).<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>In this = case, a deployment</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>model consists of = deploying a full mesh of unconstrained TE LSPs</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>between a set of LSRs and protect these TE LSPs with = pre-established</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## = s/protct/protecting/</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## Better to = reorder..</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## ...and protecting these TE = LSPs against link..... with<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">pre-established...</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>backup tunnels against = link, SRLG and/or node failures.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 = </SPAN>The traffic</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>routed onto such = unconstrained TE LSP simply follows the IGP shortest</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>path but is protected with MPLS TE Fast Reroute.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## I guess you are implying that each TE LSP is = installed as a virtual<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">link</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## in the IGP and is assigned a = cost. But you haven't said so.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>With MPLS Traffic = Engineering a usual rerouting criteria is the</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>discovery of a better path for a TE LSP where a better path = is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>defined as a path with a lower cost according to a specific = metric;</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>other metric such that the = percentage of reserved bandwidth or the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>number of hops can also be = used.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## I can guess the meaning here, = but I can't parse the sentence.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>Unfortunately, for = instance in the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>presence of ECMPs (Equal = Cost Multi-Paths) in symmetrical networks</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>when unconstrained TE LSP = are used, such metrics are usually</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## = s/LSP/LSPs/</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>This document specifies a new Link-type Traffic</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>Engineering sub-TLV used to indicate the number of unconstrained = TE</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>LSP signalled across a link.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## = s/LSP/LSPs/</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>Note that the specification of load balancing algorithms is = outside</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>of the scope of this = document and merely listed for the sake of</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>illustration of the = motivation for gathering such information.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## Very = good, but if such algorithms cannot exist based on the data = you</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## are collecting, then you = would do better to list another illustrative</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## example.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>Furthermore, the knowledge = of the number of unconstrained TE LSPs</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>signalled across each link = can be used for other purposes (e.g.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>management, = ...).</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## Either make some good = suggestions or delete this paragraph. But</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## that = would be to note that the only use you have to suggest is</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## "load balancing"</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">2.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Terminology</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>Unconstrained TE LSP: A TE = LSP signalled with a bandwidth equal to 0.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## When = you say "a bandwidth equal to 0" you do not mean that there is</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## no traffic carried. Can you be more specific in = this definition about</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## what you do = mean.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">3.1.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 = </SPAN>IS-IS</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>The NB-0-BW-LSP sub-TLV is OPTIONAL and MUST appear at most = once</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>within the extended IS = reachability TLV (type 22) specified in</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>[I-D.ietf-isis-te-bis].</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## What = should a receiver do if a second instance is encountered?</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>Value (4 octets): number = of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled across</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>the link.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## Do you intend to only count the TE LSPs that have = been signaled or</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## are you also interested in = those that have been manually configured?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">3.2.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>OSPF</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>The NB-0-BW-LSP sub-TLV is = OPTIONAL and MUST appear at most once</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>within the Link TLV (Type = 2) that is itself carried within the</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>Traffic Engineering LSA = specified in [RFC3630].</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## As = above</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>Value (4 octets): number of unconstrained TE LSP(s) signalled = across</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>the link.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## As above</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">4.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Elements of = procedure</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>An implementation may decide to implement a dual-thresholds = mechanism</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>to govern the origination = of updated OSPF LSA or ISIS LSP.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 = </SPAN>Similarly</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>to other MPLS Traffic = Engineering link characteristics, LSA/LSP</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>origination trigger = mechanisms are outside of the scope of this</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 </SPAN>document.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## Is that "may" actually a "MAY"? Wouldn't a SHOULD = or MUST be better?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## If the unconstrained TE = LSPs are stable (i.e. not changing often) then</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## there is clearly no need for this extension as = part of the routing</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## protocol - it could be = safely gathered using the management plane. So</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## we must assume that the rate of change of = unconstrained TE LSPs is</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## = non-trivial in which case this I-D must concern itself with the = impact</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## on the stability of the IGP = of distributing this information.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">5.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>IANA Considerations</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## Can = you point IANA at the appropriate registries, please.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">6.<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Security = Considerations</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>This document raises no new security issues for IS-IS and = OSPF.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## You are distributing = additional information about the network, so</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## there must be an additional security = consideration.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## What would happen if an LSR = accientally or deliberately misreported</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## the = number of LSPs? What wuld happen if that information was = spoofed</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">## or interfered with?</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">8.1.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </SPAN>Normative = References</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0=A0 = </SPAN>[I-D.ietf-isis-te-bis]</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>Li, = T. and H. Smit, "IS-IS extensions for Traffic</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>Engineering", draft-ietf-isis-te-bis-00 (work = in</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>progress), September 2005.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## Is this date right? I see August 2005.</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">## Anyway, the I-D has expired which is not a good = sign for a normative<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">reference.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">Cheers,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Adrian</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- = Original Message -----<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: = "Loa Andersson" <<A = href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.se">loa@pi.se</A>></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:= 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: = <<A href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</A>></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 9:08 AM</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: [mpls] WG Last Call on = draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; = min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Working = Group,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">this initiates a two week working group last call = on</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; = ">draft-ietf-mpls-number-0-bw-te-lsps-02.txt</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The wg = last call ends on September 17.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Please send comments to the = working group mailing list and/or</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the working = group chairs.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">/Loa and George</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Loa = Andersson</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; 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urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:29:31 -0800 Message-ID: <B7C1959C59020E40B0F6456A2F1E91A570F417@clavin.turin.turinnetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccEMB8yoOGqONW0R1uNIbGBBT7sQAADnfCAAMib9bA= From: "Greg Mirsky" <gmirsky@turinnetworks.com> To: "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" <zali@cisco.com>, "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 20:30:00.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E32B3F0:01C70762] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Dear Zafar, though section 4.6 in RFC 4461 says that for P2MP TE LSP "... solutions MUST provide fast protection mechanisms similar to those specified in [RFC4090] ..." I can not find that any specific protection mode, facility backup in node protection mode in particular, being explicitly required. Would you agree to statement that an implementation that supports subset of protection mechanisms defined in RFC 4090 for the P2MP TE LSP does not violate quoted above requirement? Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Zafar Ali (zali) [mailto:zali@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:53 PM To: Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20 > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:21 PM > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote: >=20 > > Hi Kireeti, > > > > Please see in-line >=20 > Thanks for your comments. >=20 > > The approach sounds actually a bit surprising to me: The=20 > IETF worked=20 > > on P2P FRR node protection, it has been implemented,=20 > deployed, SPs are=20 > > happy with this feature. And now you want to step back as P2MP node=20 > > protection may be a bit more complex... >=20 > Well, I had the same opinion for p2p; in retrospect, I wish I=20 > had raised the point then. P2MP just makes this a bit more complex. >=20 > But, to repeat, I'm not against node protection. I just want=20 > validation from SPs that the additional complexity etc. of=20 > node protection is required. You said yes; Mazen said no. =20 > Others have yet to speak. =20 Really, and we closed the P2MP RSVP-TE requirement document and moved it to an RFC status without hearing SP-es!=20 The requirement document for P2MP LSP (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4461.txt?number=3D4461) states node = protection as a requirement. You can play with the wording in the RFC but it does state the requirement for supporting options in RFC 4090.=20 IMO bandwidth inefficiency of P2P backup tunnels for node protection for P2MP LSP-es is a major limitation. In this respect, I am in favor of this document.=20 Thanks Regards... Zafar=20 > If SPs were to themselves step=20 > back and reconsider how they really want to protect nodes,=20 > that would be a bonus. >=20 > Finally, this is not a call for consensus, just a request for=20 > information. Whether or not we work on this depends on the=20 > WG chairs, which I am not :-) >=20 > Kireeti. > ------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Nov 13 15:58:56 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjirb-0008PD-Sc; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:57:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjira-0008Ii-CO for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:57:06 -0500 Received: from p-mail2.rd.francetelecom.com ([195.101.245.16]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjirY-0007YO-EC for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:57:05 -0500 Received: from ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.193.117.152]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:56:52 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:57:03 +0100 Message-ID: <D109C8C97C15294495117745780657AE064E5899@ftrdmel1.rd.francetelecom.fr> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccEMB8yoOGqONW0R1uNIbGBBT7sQAADnfCAAMib9bAAAO6gUA== From: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com> To: "Greg Mirsky" <gmirsky@turinnetworks.com>, "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" <zali@cisco.com>, "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 20:56:52.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E9E7860:01C70766] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b2809b6f39decc6de467dcf252f42af1 Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Greg, > though section 4.6 in RFC 4461 says that for P2MP TE LSP "...=20 > solutions MUST provide fast protection mechanisms similar to=20 > those specified in [RFC4090] ..." With this statement we (RFC4461 authors) actually mean that both link = protection and node protection are required. You can read this statement differently: 1: RFC4090 defines procedures for link protection and node protection. 2: RFC4461 states that the solution MUST provide mechanisms similar to = 4090. >From 1 and 2 we deduce that the solution MUST provide node protection. Thanks, JL > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Greg Mirsky [mailto:gmirsky@turinnetworks.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : lundi 13 novembre 2006 21:30 > =C0 : Zafar Ali (zali); Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis = RD-CORE-LAN > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > Dear Zafar, > though section 4.6 in RFC 4461 says that for P2MP TE LSP "...=20 > solutions MUST provide fast protection mechanisms similar to=20 > those specified in [RFC4090] ..." I can not find that any=20 > specific protection mode, facility backup in node protection=20 > mode in particular, being explicitly required. Would you=20 > agree to statement that an implementation that supports=20 > subset of protection mechanisms defined in RFC 4090 for the=20 > P2MP TE LSP does not violate quoted above requirement? >=20 > Regards, > Greg >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Zafar Ali (zali) [mailto:zali@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:53 PM > To: Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:21 PM > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > >=20 > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi Kireeti, > > > > > > Please see in-line > >=20 > > Thanks for your comments. > >=20 > > > The approach sounds actually a bit surprising to me: The > > IETF worked > > > on P2P FRR node protection, it has been implemented, > > deployed, SPs are > > > happy with this feature. And now you want to step back as=20 > P2MP node=20 > > > protection may be a bit more complex... > >=20 > > Well, I had the same opinion for p2p; in retrospect, I wish I had=20 > > raised the point then. P2MP just makes this a bit more complex. > >=20 > > But, to repeat, I'm not against node protection. I just want=20 > > validation from SPs that the additional complexity etc. of node=20 > > protection is required. You said yes; Mazen said no. > > Others have yet to speak. =20 >=20 > Really, and we closed the P2MP RSVP-TE requirement document=20 > and moved it to an RFC status without hearing SP-es!=20 >=20 > The requirement document for P2MP LSP > (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4461.txt?number=3D4461) states node=20 > protection as a requirement. You can play with the wording in=20 > the RFC but it does state the requirement for supporting=20 > options in RFC 4090.=20 >=20 > IMO bandwidth inefficiency of P2P backup tunnels for node=20 > protection for P2MP LSP-es is a major limitation. In this=20 > respect, I am in favor of this document.=20 >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Regards... Zafar=20 >=20 > > If SPs were to themselves step > > back and reconsider how they really want to protect nodes,=20 > that would=20 > > be a bonus. > >=20 > > Finally, this is not a call for consensus, just a request for=20 > > information. Whether or not we work on this depends on the=20 > WG chairs,=20 > > which I am not :-) > >=20 > > Kireeti. > > ------- > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Nov 13 16:12:14 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjj45-0007CZ-UR; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:10:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjj44-0007C0-Cy for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:10:00 -0500 Received: from mail.turinnetworks.com ([63.197.247.126] helo=milan.turin.turinnetworks.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjj41-00017T-6N for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:10:00 -0500 Received: from clavin.turin.turinnetworks.com ([10.1.1.33]) by milan.turin.turinnetworks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:09:55 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:09:26 -0800 Message-ID: <B7C1959C59020E40B0F6456A2F1E91A570F467@clavin.turin.turinnetworks.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] RE: Comments on draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Thread-Index: AccEMB8yoOGqONW0R1uNIbGBBT7sQAADnfCAAMib9bAAAO6gUAAAm65A From: "Greg Mirsky" <gmirsky@turinnetworks.com> To: "LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN" <jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com>, "Zafar Ali \(zali\)" <zali@cisco.com>, "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 21:09:55.0738 (UTC) FILETIME=[11A52FA0:01C70768] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2ed806e2f53ff1a061ad4f97e00345ac Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi Jean-Louis, thank you for the clarification. I agree that supporting both protection = methods is critical. But the 4090 defines link and node protection for = both one-to-one and facility backup. If a solution provides node = protection for a detour only would it be compliant with 4461? Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN = [mailto:jeanlouis.leroux@orange-ftgroup.com]=20 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:57 PM To: Greg Mirsky; Zafar Ali (zali); Kireeti Kompella Cc: mpls@ietf.org Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on = draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt Hi Greg, > though section 4.6 in RFC 4461 says that for P2MP TE LSP "...=20 > solutions MUST provide fast protection mechanisms similar to=20 > those specified in [RFC4090] ..." With this statement we (RFC4461 authors) actually mean that both link = protection and node protection are required. You can read this statement differently: 1: RFC4090 defines procedures for link protection and node protection. 2: RFC4461 states that the solution MUST provide mechanisms similar to = 4090. >From 1 and 2 we deduce that the solution MUST provide node protection. Thanks, JL > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Greg Mirsky [mailto:gmirsky@turinnetworks.com]=20 > Envoy=E9 : lundi 13 novembre 2006 21:30 > =C0 : Zafar Ali (zali); Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis = RD-CORE-LAN > Cc : mpls@ietf.org > Objet : RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on=20 > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > Dear Zafar, > though section 4.6 in RFC 4461 says that for P2MP TE LSP "...=20 > solutions MUST provide fast protection mechanisms similar to=20 > those specified in [RFC4090] ..." I can not find that any=20 > specific protection mode, facility backup in node protection=20 > mode in particular, being explicitly required. Would you=20 > agree to statement that an implementation that supports=20 > subset of protection mechanisms defined in RFC 4090 for the=20 > P2MP TE LSP does not violate quoted above requirement? >=20 > Regards, > Greg >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Zafar Ali (zali) [mailto:zali@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:53 PM > To: Kireeti Kompella; LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt >=20 > =20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] > > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:21 PM > > To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN > > Cc: mpls@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: [mpls] RE: Comments on > > draft-leroux-mpls-p2mp-te-bypass-00.txt > >=20 > > On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi Kireeti, > > > > > > Please see in-line > >=20 > > Thanks for your comments. > >=20 > > > The approach sounds actually a bit surprising to me: The > > IETF worked > > > on P2P FRR node protection, it has been implemented, > > deployed, SPs are > > > happy with this feature. And now you want to step back as=20 > P2MP node=20 > > > protection may be a bit more complex... > >=20 > > Well, I had the same opinion for p2p; in retrospect, I wish I had=20 > > raised the point then. P2MP just makes this a bit more complex. > >=20 > > But, to repeat, I'm not against node protection. I just want=20 > > validation from SPs that the additional complexity etc. of node=20 > > protection is required. You said yes; Mazen said no. > > Others have yet to speak. =20 >=20 > Really, and we closed the P2MP RSVP-TE requirement document=20 > and moved it to an RFC status without hearing SP-es!=20 >=20 > The requirement document for P2MP LSP > (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4461.txt?number=3D4461) states node=20 > protection as a requirement. You can play with the wording in=20 > the RFC but it does state the requirement for supporting=20 > options in RFC 4090.=20 >=20 > IMO bandwidth inefficiency of P2P backup tunnels for node=20 > protection for P2MP LSP-es is a major limitation. In this=20 > respect, I am in favor of this document.=20 >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Regards... Zafar=20 >=20 > > If SPs were to themselves step > > back and reconsider how they really want to protect nodes,=20 > that would=20 > > be a bonus. > >=20 > > Finally, this is not a call for consensus, just a request for=20 > > information. Whether or not we work on this depends on the=20 > WG chairs,=20 > > which I am not :-) > >=20 > > Kireeti. > > ------- > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 05:37:00 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvbS-0004zb-2A; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:33:18 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvbQ-0004zV-9N for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:33:16 -0500 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvbO-00078R-Pc for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:33:16 -0500 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.34]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvbL-0004fo-Ko; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:33:14 +0100 Message-ID: <45599B61.1070003@pi.se> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:33:05 +0100 From: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.se> Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org References: <45599AA6.5040907@pi.se> In-Reply-To: <45599AA6.5040907@pi.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040008030609070603090104" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e2982d6e88dd9e60a92963820c317d50 Cc: Subject: [mpls] Re: preliminary note from the San Diego meeting X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040008030609070603090104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hmmm ... here also with the notes included /Loa Loa Andersson wrote: > All, > > includes the preliminary notes from the MPLS WG meeting > in San Diego. > > Thanks to Giles who took the notes. > > Comments to the wg chairs. > > Loa and George > -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se --------------040008030609070603090104 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mpls_67.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="mpls_67.txt" Preliminary notes from the MPLS WG meeting In San Diego Loa - agenda bash ----------------- packed agenda. always drop a couple of presentations when we have this kind of agenda so *please* try to keep to time and allow time for questions. Loa - status ------------ OAM reqs for P2MP now RFC. MPLS GR in RFC ed queue for long time. now moved from miss ref to ref - so all refs in ed queue. Number of docs in IESG review: Need to make sure that requests for new revs are understood and why. MPLS over L2TP has all discusses resolved. So now on Ross's plate. Back of 3 LDP drafts for draft standard: old survey will be published. issued new survey - been over responses and convinced have all features in protocol implemented and tested by at least two implementations. Had closed survey but please send implementation reports in anyway if you have them. Ina - please look at last version of draft with comments from IESG. 3 expired docs all on upstream label allocation. Asked someone in same company as main author. Author on honeymoon so will be back to update later. status of ICMP draft. traditional update - stuck on draft in the int area so need to ask int area when that's coming along. doc can't change, but can't progress, so keep updating it... George - can you all read the ICMP draft and comment as to whether we keep moving it forward. JP - number-0-bw-te-lsps ------------------------ lots of comments from Adrian and few others (e.g. Acee Linden on OSPF v3). also one on security issue. will issue new version next week then be done. Loa - one more comment (about applicabillity) JP - will write up to address that comment. George - proxy ping (was "remote ping") --------------------------------------- issue here is P2MP trees. 1) if have 100s or 1000s of endpoints and ping then tons of nodes have to process it - even if just to see they don't need to respond. So able to avoid overwhelming the guy at the head-end, but overall network processing can be very heavy. 2) if add previous hop info from mLDP then becomes good tool for tracing backwards. 2 extra messages: proxy request and proxy reply (reply to proxy request not to ping) request is request for proxy ping. send to a specific node who then pings down the remainder of the tunnel. Not much use for CCAMP type media, but in packet world can "sneak stuff in" mid-way down a tunnel. so don't need to bother as many nodes with info as with ping from head end. proxy reply can be asked for to verify that the guy you sent to is actually sending a ping (so you can differentiate between ping not sent - e.g. as you're not authorised to send it to me - and no replies to the ping itself). can also supply PHOP info for backwards tracing. P2MP-TE tracing. root usually knows topology. so if know something's failing and roughly where you can ping just down that area. Can also trace by sending pings from differnet points - so even if don't know topology can learn it from response to each message. scoping - if you actually know the next-hops beyond things you can say "I'm only interested in you sending towards this particular set of next-hops instead of to everyone". mLDP tracing - nice tool for these receiver-initiated tree. so receiver wants to know if getting traffic. you can trace backwards by sending proxy ping to node upstream of yourself and asking it to ping towards you. can also ask for upstream hops and then send a proxy ping from there. is there any interest in this? And can we discuss on list if should become WG item. Hum vote? Seems a fair bit of support, no opposition. Adrian - P2MP extensions to LSP ping ------------------------------------ ovelaps with what George talked about. Aim is to reuse LSP ping as far as possible for P2MP. Doc has motivation etc. in it (not required but good context). Works for P2MP-TE and mLDP and does ping/traceroute. Many issues/challenges in terms of number of leaves - draft explains how to address them. mLDP added in this rev (previously P2MP-TE only as mLDP was still at early stage). Taken material from George's mcast-cv draft (so George/Tom are now co-authors). 3 other changes - bootstrapping section is just discuss, not protocol. new stuff in echo request is mLDP FEC sub-TLV. since all leaves send echo response overload is a big problem, so draft explains (via new egress identifier TLV) how to avoid overload. note that mLDP ingress may not know the leaves. retained jitter mechanism for responses (to avoid overload). as added mLDP have issue for traceroute that if you don't know the destination then you can't trace to it! (so don't apply this to mLDP). Also issue with LDP that transit node doesn't know where it is in the tree. believe main function is stable. bootstrapping also there. but few other things from George's work e.g. to allow multiple downstream mapping TLVs, generalising target of a request (why should we only be able to ping the leaves?), maybe add a skeleton mode where only key nodes (branches/leaves) in the tree respond, ensure legacy implementations can interop with new codepoints. want to push out new version this year then we can push for implementations. Kireeti - seems that most presentations now are tutorials. now people read the draft to the audience. Am I the only person to notice this? Adrian - any Qs on material of this draft? George - MPLS P2MP OAM ---------------------- failed to get this in on time for Montreal. Since then have been talking to Rahul, Dave Oran, Dave Katz on using BFD instead of new msg. Dave Katz wrote a good first draft but wants to do more polishing and went missing in action and uncontactable for last 4-5 weeks (so his draft never got submitted). Dave Ward - I found Katz, and we expect BFD portion to be submitted any day now. this draft is rewrite using multicast BFD (so more like UFD!) many P2MP-TE apps will need heavyweight OAM (high revenue, high risk apps - major downside if drop TV feeds to 1000s of subs, or deliver ticker info to one brokerage before another). So high effort acceptable for monitoring... e.g. interest in egress repair within 50ms. So aim here is that egress can monitor feed to determine if it's alive and take appropriate actions to switch quickly. must scale to 1000s of endpoints. builds on MPLS BFD, bootstrapped with LDP ping to create binding from FEC for LSP ping and discriminator for BFD. request may include info on what you want the receiver to do as an alarm action. also includes admin down field so that you can take particular leaves out of service (if you used BFD you'd take the whole tree out of service). required retransmit interval has reserved 0xFFFFFFFF value to say "don't respond at all to this BFD packet". discrimination has to be based on source discriminator rather than dest. Initial draft that Dave sent out needs a change to say clearly that using source discriminator not dest. if you want unreliable notification then can jitter. if you want reliable then keep polling or send unicast polls to nodes that don't respond. this is 1st draft, but like to see what interest level is and whether can become WG draft. Dave Ward - one more detail. When you send BFD you send from source to branch point then branch to branch then branch to leaf (i.e. hop by hop) not source via branches to leaf (i.e. end to end). So that's to avoid the massive amplification you get if you send end to end - i.e. don't overwhelm the network with OAM. George - not sure we'll meet the response time that way. Dave - remember that branch may see multiple sources. but if branch is singly attached then you'd be hosed if it lost that source. Also note that the BFD spec will change so have asynchronous branch mode session, so can create state machine but not reply unless you get specific message asking for reply. so will be head driven but don't necessarily need to send polls with reliable communication. Toerless. Seems as if we're sticking to a single P2MP tree and you want BFD liveness for that. If I just take BFD from source and replicate along tree vs doing hop by hop termination and resending then what would be different at the tail end? Dave - point is that depending on topology you may not want source to send all the way to the leaves. George - what I need is the option to do it all the way. Toerless - so what's most simple example of where hop-by-hop is different from replication in the tree (except for the fact that you don't actually test the tree)? Dave - we need to show those topologies in BFD WG. Yakov - we need to show semantics of BFD when terminate the session at each hop. if doesn't follow same path as data then it will be useless. George - agreed but this isn't the BFD WG so let's get the draft out and discuss in Prague (where we'll ask for it to become WG). Tom - extensions to RFC4379 for link bundles -------------------------------------------- really just link bundle extensions (not 4379bis). straightforward problem - 4379 won't work correctly with link bundles. Most implementations include link bundle rather than component links. for troubleshooting it's nice to know which component links are in the bundle and how they're hashing. Just knowing the bundle is broken isn't always enough. hit this in a real network about 6 months ago. result was two hours troubleshooting time - so figured out needed a way to get more visibility. Need to be backwards compatible with current LSRs and must support variety of load balancing techniques for bundles (just like LSP ping supports multiple mechanisms). overview - extend LSP ping echo request with link bundle TLV. decided to keep virtual interface in DS MAP TLV. Added new DS MAP TLV for bundles. Can associate that to the DS MAP interfaces. also altered algorithm for processing DS MAP at source and midpoints. Midpoints compose link bundle interface and component links appropriately. receiver gets echo reploy with DS MAP TLV as today and will iterate over it for components. Older implementations ought to ignore link bundle TLV without issues. Draft needs additional editing. Need sense of WG as to whether this is a good starting point and if it should become WG doc to satisfy the charter item. Mustafa - you changed the downstream mapping TLV. New revision number for echo reply msg. Tom - just new identifier type to say you've got a link bundle. So do as today, but say "link bundle" instead of IPv4 etc. not many have read the draft. Most of them think is a problem we need to solve (possibly because they were the authors!) Want to take it to the list... Tom - detecting MPLS data plane failures in inter-AS/provider scenarios ----------------------------------------------------------------------- presented a couple of meetings ago. draft expired, was forgotten about, resurrected. Problem is how to handle inter-AS and inter-provider scenarios with LSP ping. problem is that 4379 sends echo requests. assume that echo replies can get back to source. not always the case in inter-AS/inter-provider (loopback routes may not be distributed from one AS to another). need additional info that lets P routers understand where there'e a relay point that can get the packet back to the source. so new TLV which keeps a stack of ASBR addresses (each ASBR tacks itself on as it processes the request). JL - need a few clarifications. Is the new TLV processed during ping or traceroute. During ping the transit LSR will process the packet - so no longer exercising the data path! Tom - good question. The idea is that this happens in normal processing. But packets may stop at ASBRs anyway. Could play with TTL to make that happen. JL - maybe you could start with traceroute to record all ASBRs and then do pings and add list of ASBRs so that when a failure occurs the router detecting the failure can use that list of ASBRs to get back to the source. Tom - had thought of that but issue is that topology may change between sending the traceroute and sending the ping. Mustafa - if you're a P router detecting a failure than how do you know you need to reply? Tom - follow today's rule. Mustafa - but how do you know you need to respond to ASBR? Tom - ASBRs stamp the packets as they go through. Idea is that TTL is used to make packets expire at ASBR. Not optimal. Mustafa - but could flood ASBRs Tom - hopefully if sending messages won't bombard ASBRs with loads of messages Ina - for ping or for traceroute? Tom - both? Ina - why do this on ping? could just have ping not replying and then do traceroute to see where the problem is. Tom - generally issue is you have to timeout a few times to figure out it's not a false negative. But sure, you could traceroute - assuming other providers let you trace inside their AS. Ina - tradeoff is load on ASBR vs benefit. Tom - one thought is could tag messages in special way so ASBRs could optionally ignore them or just forward them along (rather than building TLV stack?) if you have address to respond to then everything works fine. So if could just tag packet in certain way then ASBR wouldn't fill in address, and just works. Greg Minsky - purpose of having ASBR info is to ensure follows original path? Tom - no, just ensures you have a way to get back to the originator. So ASBR could even stamp another ASBR's address in there. Is just proxy who knows how to get back to the source. Provides "trail of breadcrumbs". Greg - can't you just resolve with BGP policy. Tom - but B router doesn't have BGP Greg - P router has exit point whether single or multi-homed. eBGP speaker can get back to source. Trying to come up with a solution for a problem that can be addressed another way is odd. Loa - discussion at risk of becoming unproductive so let's take to list. Tom - LSP ping bis draft? ------------------------- issues I want to address on LSP ping are making me think we may need a bis draft. e.g. one complete contradiction in the doc on various types of downstream mapping info. Also found errata process has become considerably slower than the updated RFC process. Errata would be correct solution if it wasn't broken! Also have formatting errors etc. One technical change - high order bit of an object is used to say if is mandatory (and send error if don't understand) or optional (and drop if don't understand it). That was good for ping when saw as point-to-point message and could iterate, but for P2MP things you have a means of extending things for a single transaction that doesn't apply to a situation where a bunch of the nodes understand the options and others don't. Don't want to get error messages from all the odes that don't understand a new option. Idea is to use another bit to extend semantics. Adrian had another idea for an extension. Do we think this is a good idea? No response - so Tom will write draft. Adrian - P2MP-TE MIB -------------------- became WG doc since last meet. Based on existing RFCs with extensions to TE MIB but none required for LSR MIB (as was built with ability for MP2MP cross-connects at the LSR). Text will be added to show how to use LSR MIB in P2MP cases. should get implementation feedback soon, but need more review before it goes forward (don't want people to implement it unless it does what we want). Loa - forgot to mention earlier that P2MP-TE draft sent to ADs. George - RSVP Generic Error --------------------------- RSVP takes a minimalist approach to error reporting. Good philosophy in general, but in labs etc. it's nice to have a bit more info. Idea here is to add a means for developers to add "generic errors" and then their own optional objects with user error specs (using enterprise/org numbers etc. to make them unique). Also can be useful when doing interop testing, but idea is that don't go in production code (though harmless if they are in there). next step is to change from OUI to enterprise numbers. is it a good idea? JP - Node behaviour... ---------------------- remember soft preemption? Provided notification to head-end rather than just tearing down tunnels. so to define soft preemption we had to define hard preemption. some people were confused as to default behaviour for preempting a tunnel. This draft doesn't define new protocols, but is BCP to document how a node generating/receiving a PathErr ought to act. as stated in 2205 the PathErr doesn't impact LSP state - but just forwarded to head end. in this doc we want to define fatal/non-fatal errors. fatal error - detecting node sends PathErr and clears LSP state. non-fatal error - sends PathErr but no change in LSP state receiving node never changes LSP state. Proposing a column in IANA registry defining if errors are fatal or not. as far as we know this complies with most implementations today... Can everyone please check that their implementations agree with this so we can reach consensus? We'd like to get WG agreement to document this. also quick consensus on error values 2 and 5. then we can move forward on soft preemption ID. Also will need to keep the new column in the registry up-to-date. Adrian - I'd like people to understand that the draft is a statement of what we think is going on out there. Need other vendors to agree that this is what's real. Loa - WG already decided we should document this. the issue here is rather that we need vendors to review. JP - will poll list to check all in sync. Lou - is there agreement on behaviour for fatal error? JP - LSP goes down. Lou - but are you specifying the behaviour. So proposal is to change registry. But is it clear what to do if you get TE failures? JP - e.g. if link failure you can generate PathErr Lou - are we documenting what ingress then does etc.? JP - no, just documenting what detecting node should do. Lou - so when get fatal path error should flip "path state removed" bit? Am I missing something basic? Adrian - I think that Lou is asking are we documenting the protocol behaviour for soft and hard failure cases. That leads on to soft and hard preemption. My view is that a "yes" in this column documents protocol behaviour, and also nodal behaviour. JP - that's in the doc. Bob - LDP capabilities ---------------------- this is joint draft with Shivani/Rahul/JL. history is that prior to Montreal we had 2 drafts. Very similar so agreed before IETF to do joint presentation and then to merge. that's all happened now. motivation is that we've added various enhancements to LDP. LDP lacks any framework for managing use of enhancements. this draft defines a capability advertisement mechanism and a way of enabling/disabling them. points important to recognise: 1) annoucement of capability documents what speaker can receive/process - not what it can send 2) allows speaker to tell peers if it supports deviations from 3036. e.g. at initialisation time a GR node can inform neighbours that it will retain label state when LDP fails. not every enhancement needs a capability. each speaker may have 0 or more enhancements to 3036 enabled. If enabled speaker will perform associated actions. LDP defines notion of optional parameters in LDP messages. all parameters are TLVs. So this draft lets speaker announce its enabled enhancements by advertising capabilities in init msg. draft also specifies particular enhancement of ability to handle dynamic capability advertisements. Purpose of that is to make it possible for speakers to enable/disable enhancements by advertising/withdrawing capability after init. some more info in draft - would like to point out that draft specifies common encoding for TLV used to advertise/withdraw capability. has common part which includes bit for advertisement/withdrawal. subsequent to submission of draft authors plus Yakov have had further discussions, so will issue new version with those decisions in. At Montreal concept seemed to be accepted. What do people feel now about it? Bob - LDP typed withdrawal -------------------------- as noted in Montreal the wildcard FEC isn't useful. Yakov noted that if there's a problem then we need to fix it! Ina and Bob wrote draft showing difficulties with wildcard FEC as defined in 3036. two deficiencies: 1) specifies all FECs regardless of type. was OK in early days of IPv4 prefixes only. Good to be able to do FEC type specific wildcard. 2) only allowed in withdraw/release. can't remember why we didn't allow it in label request. could be useful there - e.g. mLDP (next revision of spec will use typed wildcard for request). so this draft introduces the typed wildcard FEC and allows its use in label requests. also specifies the typed wildcard FEC element for the prefix FEC (since need to identify the address family). needs a new IANA codepoint. one thing to say is that need to decide if FEC element has to support typed wildcard. Wasn't up to authors to decide that for FECs, but up to the designer of the FEC. also need to ensure backward compatibility. Non-issue as 3036 says that if you don't understand a FEC type you should ignore it and send a notification. done a reasonably complete job of specifying this. final issue is error handling. If a router implements this and receives a message that includes a wildcard FEC for a FEC type it doesn't support, or for which wildcarding isn't supported then action is to respond by sending a notification with unknown FEC status code. we think spec is reasonably complete. if not then please let us know. we think doc addresses an issue that requires a mechanism not currently in 3036. Loa - how many have read it. Answer is not so many. So take the dicussion to the list... had pretty good support when started so need to push list to get more opinions... Bruno - inter area LSP ---------------------- problem statement. MPLS VPN networks are expanding and MPLS backbones are growing (density and footprint). So more IGP areas being introduced and need inter-area LSPs. LDP won't set up inter area LSPs if addresses are aggregated. two solutions today: 1) leak /32 PE routes. Scaling issues here. 2) MPLS hierarchy with MP-BGP between areas. But now need BGP on ABR, and have issues with BGP convergence if ABR fails (and can't do LDP FRR if ABR fails). so extension here allows LDP to do inter-area LSPs even with IP aggregation. So now does longest match in the RIB instead of exact match. FECs selected this way will be advertised in ordered mode. other FECs can be independent or ordered. v1 presented in Vancouver. this v3 has problem statement/editorial changes, but tech spec is stable. in summary - this is straightforward, minimal changes. Eric - I'd like to express issues here. The reason LDP requires an exact match is so that paths won't differ from those in the routing algorithm. Once you allow longest match then there's a risk that the IGP and LDP paths could differ. Your draft says "don't do this", but need a precise statement of conditions under which LDP may put in/take out entries from the forwarding table based on various routing events. Also I can't shake the feeling that this calls for a hierarchical solution. Sure, IGPs aren't constructed to carry 20k or 50k /32s. BGP is possible as you say. Don't want to run BGP as turns ABR into ASBR. Not clear we can do hierarchy using off the shelf tools without creating AS boundary. Also issue you have with FRR. Not sure we have very standard LDP-based FRR today that will repair around an ABR. Presumption is that could work around ABR but not around ASBR. Would like to see that addressed before becomes a WG doc. Loa - you're thinking on similar lines to me. could you write down the concerns and send to list to initiate discussion? Eric - yes Loa - want to cut off here and take to list. JL - P2MP MPLS-TE Fast Reroute with P2MP Bypass Tunnels ------------------------------------------------------- background is that P2MP spec defines extentions to facility/detour to do FRR of P2MP-TE LSPs. only relies on P2P bypass LSPs. so PLR has to replicate traffic during failure and may result in inefficient b/w usage. may have 10s of LSRs downstream of protected node (have a case with 30 LSRs downstream). to overcome this limitation while using MPLS hierarcy have extended facility backup to enable P2MP backup tunnels (can protect several primary LSPs and will tunnel traffic in P2MP LSP towards all merge points using a label stack). inner label is backup LSP label, new outer label is P2MP bypass tunnel label. (Issue is that need upstream assigned backup label since each Merge Point gets the same backup label). Merge Point needs context-specific forwarding table for the corresponding P2MP bypass tunnel - so will lookup the backup label in that context. have received good comments on-list and offline which need addressing. draft assumes primary LSP protected using a single bypass tunnel, but P2MP LSP could be protected by combination of P2P and P2MP bypass tunnels (useful if lets us use pre-established P2MP LSPs). But remember in multicast there is always a tension between replication and state. could use P2MP bypass tunnel whose leaf LSRs are a superset of the protected downstream LSRs (again tension between optimisation and state). Also need procedures for LAN interface protection. Will ask for WG adoption in Prague. George - I wanted to do this in base P2MP spec but left out because of delays on upstream allocation (thus always planned as followup work). One Q - is there any place where we can explicitly signal that we want the last hop to indicate something other than PHP? Ought to be able to signal that. JL - the LSP stitching draft requires that PHP must be deactivated on segment. May need a more generic flag to disable PHP. George - agreed. Also draft needs to describe a few more scenarios. Toerless - to me there is a lot of complexity resulting from scalability/co-ordination issues. Can we use high availability mechanisms instead? Do we actually have all the graceful shutdown procedures etc. for that? The graceful shutdown soln should be simpler. JL - agree that graceful shutdown and FRR may interact. But in core FRR is better as it's hard to diffentiate between control plane and data plane failures. Unplanned node failures are much rarer than link failures, but we do have unplanned node failures and need to cover with e.g. sub 100ms for TV. Toerless - would be nice to document what failures can only be solved using this mechanism. JL - have same issue for P2P link/node protection. We want same availability for TV traffic as unicast traffic. Toerless - in general slides don't answer scalability impact of this. Lots of impacts here. Mustafa - why would you want such a complex mechanism? Could get head end to reoptimise tree, so replication is temporary. JL - in my operational figure this will lead to 30x increase in link traffic, so FRR will congest the link. Mustafa - we could look at static bypass that does P2MP. Don't try to signal on the fly. Just create and make available. For stuff like TV we don't need much dynamicity. JP - the way you compute the backup path is irrelevant. Dimitri - what detection mechanism do you use for failure. You can have P2MP failure without node failure. Need to check all cases covered here with suitable detection mechanisms. Don't want a partial solution. JL - don't see anything different to P2P case. will use same detection mechanisms. So you will activate this regardless of how many LSPs effected. branch point is branch point for multiple LSPs. Kireeti - quick comment (echoing Toerless). Node protection in general is complex and less scalable than link protection. Let's step back and ask SPs to tell us how often unplanned node failures occur. Should we continue down this path of making node protection work in increasingly complex cases. JL - IGP Routing extensions for discovery of P2MP TE LSP Leaf LSRs ------------------------------------------------------------------ v2 of this draft. Problem statement is that e.g. if doing TV broadcasting with regional sources you need sets of P2MP-TE LSPs with distinct ingress LSRs but common leaf LSRs. could manually configure on each ingress LSR, but is prone to misconfiguration and doesn't allow dynamic addition/removal of leaves. so would be good to be able to discover leaves. This draft only automates that. Does not address interaction with multicast receiver activity. makes sense to rely on IGP for simplicity. Especially when BGP-free core. various changes. want SP feedback on problem statement and WG feedback on soln. want to be WG doc. Luyann - MPLS/GMPLS security framework -------------------------------------- why do we need to do this? several CCAMP drafts got stuck because security ADs questioned our understanding of security (esp inter-AS, inter-provider). so CCAMP and MPLS WG chairs decided we needed to fix this. aim is to have one doc as security framework for MPLS/GMPLS that other docs can point to (and then point out any specific issues that they have). will be informational, and will apply to anywhere MPLS or GMPLS is applied. the aim is to form a DT and do a draft before next IETF. outlined draft. can't outline general IP security as already done elsewhere. Just specific MPLS/GMPLS issues. draft is not a solution draft, but may mention solutions you can use as best practice. More work may be needed (e.g. on label spoofing). current DT members listed. Yaakov - you could look into work coming from PWE3. People there were asking if we should work at PWE level or MPLS level. I'm willing to join your design team. Luyann - good to put all general MPLS/GMPLS stuff under this umbrella. Peng - have you talked to SIDR group. they have similar ideas/requirements. Luyann - SIDR is more general. This is MPLS/GMPLS. but we'll look into it. Welcome people to join DT or to review. Loa - anyone interested contact Luyann. --------------040008030609070603090104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --------------040008030609070603090104-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 05:37:05 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvYk-0001F5-UM; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:30:30 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvYk-0001Ez-05 for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:30:30 -0500 Received: from [80.86.78.228] (helo=smtp.testbed.se) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvYe-0006cV-Vl for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:30:29 -0500 Received: from gw.imc.kth.se ([193.10.152.67] helo=[172.16.2.34]) by fw.testbed.se with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1GjvYK-0004fB-92; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:30:05 +0100 Message-ID: <45599AA6.5040907@pi.se> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:29:58 +0100 From: Loa Andersson <loa@pi.se> Organization: Acreo AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Spam-Report: -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Cc: Subject: [mpls] preliminary note from the San Diego meeting X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org All, includes the preliminary notes from the MPLS WG meeting in San Diego. Thanks to Giles who took the notes. Comments to the wg chairs. Loa and George -- Loa Andersson Principal Networking Architect Acreo AB phone: +46 8 632 77 14 Isafjordsgatan 22 mobile: +46 739 81 21 64 Kista, Sweden email: loa.andersson@acreo.se loa@pi.se _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:13:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwCU-0007Ti-DM; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvq4-0002RS-OF; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:48:24 -0500 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvpv-0001dS-Ag; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:48:24 -0500 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9C00A661; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.173]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:11 +0100 Received: from [147.214.30.247] ([147.214.30.247]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <45599EEB.4080105@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:48:11 -0800 From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsvwg <tsvwg@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2006 10:48:11.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[6137A490:01C707DA] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:32 -0500 Cc: Subject: [mpls] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, (BCC MPLS for information) Based on feedback from the TSVWG session in San Diego we think there is consensus on adopting draft-davie-ecn-mpls as a TSVWG work item. 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Cheers Magnus Westerlund TSVWG chair Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:13:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwCT-0007TZ-Rr; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjaHM-0008Ed-Qh for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:47:08 -0500 Received: from [212.25.127.226] (helo=spm-gw.seabridge.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjaHL-00012G-BF for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:47:08 -0500 Received: from dove.seabridge.co.il ([172.30.10.115]) by spm-gw.seabridge.co.il with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:47:03 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:47:03 +0200 Message-ID: <D3C85156A12AAB4DB23F598007E9826D16325F@dove.seabridge.co.il> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: probability of conifguring in a valid wayFrom mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:13:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwCU-0007Ti-DM; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:34 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvq4-0002RS-OF; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:48:24 -0500 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvpv-0001dS-Ag; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:48:24 -0500 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9C00A661; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.173]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:11 +0100 Received: from [147.214.30.247] ([147.214.30.247]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <45599EEB.4080105@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:48:11 -0800 From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsvwg <tsvwg@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2006 10:48:11.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[6137A490:01C707DA] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:32 -0500 Cc: Subject: [mpls] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, (BCC MPLS for information) Based on feedback from the TSVWG session in San Diego we think there is consensus on adopting draft-davie-ecn-mpls as a TSVWG work item. We are hereby confirming this consensus on the list. If you have an opinion please state it. Cheers Magnus Westerlund TSVWG chair Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:13:24 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwCT-0007TZ-Rr; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:33 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjaHM-0008Ed-Qh for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:47:08 -0500 Received: from [212.25.127.226] (helo=spm-gw.seabridge.co.il) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjaHL-00012G-BF for mpls@ietf.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:47:08 -0500 Received: from dove.seabridge.co.il ([172.30.10.115]) by spm-gw.seabridge.co.il with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:47:03 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:47:03 +0200 Message-ID: <D3C85156A12AAB4DB23F598007E9826D16325F@dove.seabridge.co.il> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: probability of conifguring in a valid way "snake" test on Cards in an LSR? Thread-Index: AccDcjlAOQzQBxq6STG8GBKGDxtExgDpn83A From: "Esther Bar-Hall" <esther.bar-hall@SeabridgeNetworks.com> To: <mpls@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 11:47:04.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[702099B0:01C70719] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:32 -0500 Cc: Subject: [mpls] probability of conifguring in a valid way "snake" test on Cards in an LSR? X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org -----Original Message----- From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 21:56 To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN Hi, I need to know whether there is a way to fully populate a Cage with cards and run a "snake" test on all ports with two ports of TE connected to the cage, where the NE functions as an LER/LSR? Please advise on the matter and how will the topology will be and the configurations? Any help will be appreciated. _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls "snake" test on Cards in an LSR? Thread-Index: AccDcjlAOQzQBxq6STG8GBKGDxtExgDpn83A From: "Esther Bar-Hall" <esther.bar-hall@SeabridgeNetworks.com> To: <mpls@ietf.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2006 11:47:04.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[702099B0:01C70719] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:11:32 -0500 Cc: Subject: [mpls] probability of conifguring in a valid way "snake" test on Cards in an LSR? X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org -----Original Message----- From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 21:56 To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN Hi, I need to know whether there is a way to fully populate a Cage with cards and run a "snake" test on all ports with two ports of TE connected to the cage, where the NE functions as an LER/LSR? Please advise on the matter and how will the topology will be and the configurations? 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Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:06:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.173]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0J8P00L7YW7NBV@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:06:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1165161uge for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.128.15 with SMTP id a15mr900683hud.1163502418137; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.123.1 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:06:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:36:58 +0530 From: shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mpls] doubt regarding RFC 3032 In-reply-to: <6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD42419650B0AE5@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> To: "Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya)" <anjan@lucent.com> Message-id: <d8455be10611140306k1b8fd4a8re70bfe7d59b75cf3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=E75jETK1q0jvgrurLYKpk3e0D+mIwT4h1FAcHf94Gz1kie8/SJN3h3WbdUam8G3BZWaSHmZaG4FRn3pQWqg5QAyrtKmIluOKguprTdEZGrlWq2gRwlRlJ9dV+QvYjASWGnYLpYpKHgGxUBu88jHvwTdVkwzETR2/Bt6GXbLAVJs= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlx=0 adultscore=0 adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0610180000 definitions=main-0611140024 References: <6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD42419650B0AE5@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b132cb3ed2d4be2017585bf6859e1ede X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:13:58 -0500 Cc: mpls@UU.NET X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org What is meant "by any other means"? Also, is it possible that IP forwarding may be required to route the ICMP packet in the proper direction to the source i.e. if the LSP is not end-to-end and the labeled packet becomes unlabeled in b/w (as indicated in Section 2.3.2 of rfc 3032). If so, then how will it be routed considering that the destination IP address can be a private address? thanks, Shilpa On 11/14/06, Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya) <anjan@lucent.com> wrote: > Refering to the prev e.g. , I think if the two private IP address P1 & P2 > want to do a two-way communication, R1 and R4 should know how to forward the > packet destined to P2/P1, either through a mpls tunnel or by someother > means. So when then ICMP packet reaches R4, with a IP destination addr as > P1, R4 will surely know how to direct this in the proper direction, either > using a mpls tunnel or my any other means. > > Regards, > > Anjan > > > > Thanks for the example:) > > This is clear to me that ICMP packet will be routed properly only if a > bi-directional LSP exist between the source and the destination. > > But if this is not the case, then how will the ICMP packet be routed > to the source. > > Please clarify. > > Shilpa > > On 11/13/06, Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya) <anjan@lucent.com> wrote: > > Hi Shilpa, > > > > I shall try to explain this (as per my understanding) using an eg. > > > > Consider the following topology > > > > > > > > > > ******* ******* ******** ******** > > * R1 *-----------* R2 *----------* R3 *--------* R4 * > > +--* *-----------* *----------* *--------* *--+ > > | ******* ******* ******** ******** | > > | | > > | | > > | | > > +--+--+ +--+--+ > > |P1 | |P2 | > > | | | | > > +-----+ +-----+ > > > > > > > > P1 & P2 are private ip addresses. For P1 & P2 to communicate through the > > public network (consisting > > of routers R1, R2, R3 & R4), two mpls tunnel will be created, R1 to R4 > and > > vice-versa. > > Now R1 will direct packets destined to P2 over the tunnel-R1-to-R4. > Similary > > R4 can direct packets > > destined to P1 over tunnel-R4-to-R1. > > > > Now consider the following scenario, > > P1 sends an IP packet to P2. R1 will direct it over the mpls tunnel > > "tunnel-R1-to-R4". > > Lets assume when R2 recieves this mpls packet from R1, it needs to send a > > ICMP message to P1. Now R2 generates the ICMP message, copies the > > label-stack to this packet. This way the ICMP packet will follow the > tunnel > > "tunnel-R1-to-R4" & reach R4 where it will be unlabeled (after the bottom > > label is popped out). Now as per the RFC, R4 will send the ICMP message in > > proper direction i.e. towards P1 and it is possible because R4 can simply > > direct the ICMP packet over the tunnel "tunnel-R4-to-R1" and the packet > will > > reach R1 which can in-turn route the ICMP packet to P1. > > > > Regards, > > Anjan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original MessaSignature: b132cb3ed2d4be2017585bf6859e1ede X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:13:58 -0500 Cc: mpls@UU.NET X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org What is meant "by any other means"? Also, is it possible that IP forwarding may be required to route the ICMP packet in the proper direction to the source i.e. if the LSP is not end-to-end and the labeled packet becomes unlabeled in b/w (as indicated in Section 2.3.2 of rfc 3032). If so, then how will it be routed considering that the destination IP address can be a private address? thanks, Shilpa On 11/14/06, Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya) <anjan@lucent.com> wrote: > Refering to the prev e.g. , I think if the two private IP address P1 & P2 > want to do a two-way communication, R1 and R4 should know how to forward the > packet destined to P2/P1, either through a mpls tunnel or by someother > means. So when then ICMP packet reaches R4, with a IP destination addr as > P1, R4 will surely know how to direct this in the proper direction, either > using a mpls tunnel or my any other means. > > Regards, > > Anjan > > > > Thanks for the example:) > > This is clear to me that ICMP packet will be routed properly only if a > bi-directional LSP exist between the source and the destination. > > But if this is not the case, then how will the ICMP packet be routed > to the source. > > Please clarify. > > Shilpa > > On 11/13/06, Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya) <anjan@lucent.com> wrote: > > Hi Shilpa, > > > > I shall try to explain this (as per my understanding) using an eg. > > > > Consider the following topology > > > > > > > > > > ******* ******* ******** ******** > > * R1 *-----------* R2 *----------* R3 *--------* R4 * > > +--* *-----------* *----------* *--------* *--+ > > | ******* ******* ******** ******** | > > | | > > | | > > | | > > +--+--+ +--+--+ > > |P1 | |P2 | > > | | | | > > +-----+ +-----+ > > > > > > > > P1 & P2 are private ip addresses. For P1 & P2 to communicate through the > > public network (consisting > > of routers R1, R2, R3 & R4), two mpls tunnel will be created, R1 to R4 > and > > vice-versa. > > Now R1 will direct packets destined to P2 over the tunnel-R1-to-R4. > Similary > > R4 can direct packets > > destined to P1 over tunnel-R4-to-R1. > > > > Now consider the following scenario, > > P1 sends an IP packet to P2. R1 will direct it over the mpls tunnel > > "tunnel-R1-to-R4". > > Lets assume when R2 recieves this mpls packet from R1, it needs to send a > > ICMP message to P1. Now R2 generates the ICMP message, copies the > > label-stack to this packet. This way the ICMP packet will follow the > tunnel > > "tunnel-R1-to-R4" & reach R4 where it will be unlabeled (after the bottom > > label is popped out). Now as per the RFC, R4 will send the ICMP message in > > proper direction i.e. towards P1 and it is possible because R4 can simply > > direct the ICMP packet over the tunnel "tunnel-R4-to-R1" and the packet > will > > reach R1 which can in-turn route the ICMP packet to P1. > > > > Regards, > > Anjan > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com] > > Sent: Fri 11/10/2006 1:40 PM > > To: mpls@UU.NET > > Subject: [mpls] doubt regarding RFC 3032 > > > > hi, > > > > I am not clear with Section 2.3.2 of RFC 3032 which states that > > "Unless the message is > > label switched all the way to the destination host, it will end up, > > unlabeled, in a router which does know how to route to the source of > > original packet, at which point the message will be sent in the proper > > direction.". > > How will the ICMP packet find its way to the source? > > > > regards, > > Shilpa > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:14:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwEq-00016F-Po; 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Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: dgismtp03.mcilink.com [166.38.58.143]) id kAE4jlk1006540 for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by dgismtp03.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0J8P00CG7EKASI@dgismtp03.mcilink.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmmspam01.mcilink.com ([166.37.156.161]) by dgismtp03.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J8P00AF2EKAN6@dgismtp03.mcilink.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzesmtp01.mci.com (omzesmtp01.mci.com [199.249.17.7]) by pmmspam01.mcilink.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAE4jkif006015 for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzesmtp01.mci.com ([127.0.0.1]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with SMTP id <0J8P00KD2EK9HC@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0J8P00IGUEK9SD@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so129042nfa for <mpls@uu.net>; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr557635hue.1163479540913; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.123.1 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:45:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:15:40 +0530 From: shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mpls] doubt regarding RFC 3032 In-reply-to: <6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD42419650B0AE2@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> To: "Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya)" <anjan@lucent.comge----- > > From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com] > > Sent: Fri 11/10/2006 1:40 PM > > To: mpls@UU.NET > > Subject: [mpls] doubt regarding RFC 3032 > > > > hi, > > > > I am not clear with Section 2.3.2 of RFC 3032 which states that > > "Unless the message is > > label switched all the way to the destination host, it will end up, > > unlabeled, in a router which does know how to route to the source of > > original packet, at which point the message will be sent in the proper > > direction.". > > How will the ICMP packet find its way to the source? > > > > regards, > > Shilpa > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpls mailing list > > mpls@lists.ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:14:49 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwEq-00016F-Po; 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Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: dgismtp03.mcilink.com [166.38.58.143]) id kAE4jlk1006540 for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by dgismtp03.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0J8P00CG7EKASI@dgismtp03.mcilink.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmmspam01.mcilink.com ([166.37.156.161]) by dgismtp03.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J8P00AF2EKAN6@dgismtp03.mcilink.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzesmtp01.mci.com (omzesmtp01.mci.com [199.249.17.7]) by pmmspam01.mcilink.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAE4jkif006015 for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omzesmtp01.mci.com ([127.0.0.1]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with SMTP id <0J8P00KD2EK9HC@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.185]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0J8P00IGUEK9SD@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:45:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so129042nfa for <mpls@uu.net>; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr557635hue.1163479540913; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.123.1 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:45:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:15:40 +0530 From: shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [mpls] doubt regarding RFC 3032 In-reply-to: <6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD42419650B0AE2@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> To: "Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya)" <anjan@lucent.com> Message-id: <d8455be10611132045r2e484dc3nac2610768eb0c924@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VIDfd98TsXTsgZdunWgLElZrYx5gcaAeH+Bjfux38q9NbtLHJkroruUAiBqk4cb89c3dm4m4/FSFy5INf3SkeWlSFicUdv4BYQRz/TOUfy3SakmK7a8kroP/XZAOinEFffzvbgXG+9/FH2Q2wTfSYOfhFXa/YOOArMIdtVVhrPA= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlx=0 adultscore=0 adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0610180000 definitions=main-0611130097 References: <6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD42419650B0AE2@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:13:58 -0500 Cc: mpls@UU.NET X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thanks for the example:) This is clear to me that ICMP packet will be routed properly only if a bi-directional LSP exist between the source and the destination. But if this is not the case, then how will the ICMP packet be routed to the source. Please clarify. Shilpa On 11/13/06, Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya) <anjan@lucent.com> wrote: > Hi Shilpa, > > I shall try to explain this (as per my understanding) using an eg. > > Consider the following topology > > > > > ******* ******* ******** ******** > * R1 *-----------* R2 *----------* R3 *--------* R4 * > +--* *-----------* *----------* *--------* *--+ > | ******* ******* ******** ******** | > | | > | | > | | > +--+--+ +--+--+ > |P1 | |P2 | > | | | | > +-----+ +-----+ > > > > P1 & P2 are private ip addresses. For P1 & P2 to communicate through the > public network (consisting > of routers R1, R2, R3 & R4), two mpls tunnel will be created, R1 to R4 and > vice-versa. > Now R1 will direct packets destined to P2 over the tunnel-R1-to-R4. Similary > R4 can direct packets > destined to P1 over tunnel-R4-to-R1. > > Now consider the following scenario, > P1 sends an IP packet to P2. R1 will direct it over the mpls tunnel > "tunnel-R1-to-R4". > Lets assume when R2 recieves this mpls packet from R1, it needs to send a > ICMP message to P1. Now R2 generates the ICMP message, copies the > label-stack to this packet. This way the ICMP packet will follow the tunnel > "tunnel-R1-to-R4" & reach R4 where it will be unlabeled (after the bottom > label is popped out). Now as per the RFC, R4 will send the ICMP message in > proper direction i.e. towards P1 and it is possible because R4 can simply > direct the ICMP packet over the tunnel "tunnel-R4-to-R1" and the packet will > reach R1 which can in-turn route the ICMP packet to P1. > > Regards, > Anjan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com] > Sent: Fri 11/10/2006 1:40 PM > To: mpls@UU.NET > Subject: [mpls] doubt regarding RFC 3032 > > hi, > > I am > Message-id: <d8455be10611132045r2e484dc3nac2610768eb0c924@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VIDfd98TsXTsgZdunWgLElZrYx5gcaAeH+Bjfux38q9NbtLHJkroruUAiBqk4cb89c3dm4m4/FSFy5INf3SkeWlSFicUdv4BYQRz/TOUfy3SakmK7a8kroP/XZAOinEFffzvbgXG+9/FH2Q2wTfSYOfhFXa/YOOArMIdtVVhrPA= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlx=0 adultscore=0 adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0610180000 definitions=main-0611130097 References: <6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD42419650B0AE2@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:13:58 -0500 Cc: mpls@UU.NET X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thanks for the example:) This is clear to me that ICMP packet will be routed properly only if a bi-directional LSP exist between the source and the destination. But if this is not the case, then how will the ICMP packet be routed to the source. Please clarify. Shilpa On 11/13/06, Pal, Anjaneya (Anjaneya) <anjan@lucent.com> wrote: > Hi Shilpa, > > I shall try to explain this (as per my understanding) using an eg. > > Consider the following topology > > > > > ******* ******* ******** ******** > * R1 *-----------* R2 *----------* R3 *--------* R4 * > +--* *-----------* *----------* *--------* *--+ > | ******* ******* ******** ******** | > | | > | | > | | > +--+--+ +--+--+ > |P1 | |P2 | > | | | | > +-----+ +-----+ > > > > P1 & P2 are private ip addresses. For P1 & P2 to communicate through the > public network (consisting > of routers R1, R2, R3 & R4), two mpls tunnel will be created, R1 to R4 and > vice-versa. > Now R1 will direct packets destined to P2 over the tunnel-R1-to-R4. Similary > R4 can direct packets > destined to P1 over tunnel-R4-to-R1. > > Now consider the following scenario, > P1 sends an IP packet to P2. R1 will direct it over the mpls tunnel > "tunnel-R1-to-R4". > Lets assume when R2 recieves this mpls packet from R1, it needs to send a > ICMP message to P1. Now R2 generates the ICMP message, copies the > label-stack to this packet. This way the ICMP packet will follow the tunnel > "tunnel-R1-to-R4" & reach R4 where it will be unlabeled (after the bottom > label is popped out). Now as per the RFC, R4 will send the ICMP message in > proper direction i.e. towards P1 and it is possible because R4 can simply > direct the ICMP packet over the tunnel "tunnel-R4-to-R1" and the packet will > reach R1 which can in-turn route the ICMP packet to P1. > > Regards, > Anjan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: shilpa goel [mailto:shilpa07@gmail.com] > Sent: Fri 11/10/2006 1:40 PM > To: mpls@UU.NET > Subject: [mpls] doubt regarding RFC 3032 > > hi, > > I am not clear with Section 2.3.2 of RFC 3032 which states that > "Unless the message is > label switched all the way to the destination host, it will end up, > unlabeled, in a router which does know how to route to the source of > original packet, at which point the message will be sent in the proper > direction.". > How will the ICMP packet find its way to the source? > > regards, > Shilpa > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls not clear with Section 2.3.2 of RFC 3032 which states that > "Unless the message is > label switched all the way to the destination host, it will end up, > unlabeled, in a router which does know how to route to the source of > original packet, at which point the message will be sent in the proper > direction.". > How will the ICMP packet find its way to the source? > > regards, > Shilpa > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:14:54 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwEr-00016L-Hx; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:14:01 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjw2s-0001qN-9w for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:01:38 -0500 Received: from omzesmtp03.mci.com ([199.249.17.11]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjw2o-0003Uf-Qf for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:01:38 -0500 Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net ([198.5.241.38]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0J8P00NDYVXO15@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.10.50]) id QQvoki07545; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net id QQvoki16579 for mpls-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQvoki16451 for <mpls@mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: dgismtp04.mcilink.com [166.38.58.144]) id kAEB0cIK002130 for <mpls@UU.NET>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp04.wcomnet.com ([127.0.0.1]) by dgismtp04.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0J8P0039VVX1TZ@dgismtp04.mcilink.com> for mpls@UU.NET; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmmspam03.mcilink.com ([166.37.156.163]) by dgismtp04.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J8P00253VX1M3@dgismtp04.mcilink.com> for mpls@UU.NET; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmesmtp03.mci.com (pmesmtp03.mci.com [199.249.20.32]) by pmmspam03.mcilink.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAEB047A010564 for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmesmtp03.mci.com ([127.0.0.1]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with SMTP id <0J8P00HAFVWYCO@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0J8P00H8RVWY7F@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:00:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l36so237691nfa for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.178.5 with SMTP id a5mr859366huf.1163502033061; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.123.1 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:00:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:30:32 +0530 From: shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com> To: mpls@UU.NET Message-id: <d8455be10611140300w2f7e511bn54579bb5787cbce@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ejQig3bAef8kuMaNAt5jY/OHLGX0qQxy8Zv9kzN6LlW/6sFv0/7LDBsMXtUeJMawT52GCWcnz/vCZsV9/SOzb0lRAUUimJFB6XaCN5riACQYOJKwSBfvQdfU2Npd952ToPZfq9kd64qrHmtFkT6ktJxkE6kR+xAeZYpNcK7nZHk= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlx=0 adultscore=0 adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0610180000 definitions=main-0611140012 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:13:58 -0500 Cc: Subject: [mpls] doubt in RFC 3032 (Section 2.3.1) X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I have 2 doubts in Section 2.3.1 of RFC 3032 (Tunneling through a transit routing domain). 1) Why does an ASBR need to send the ICMP packet back into the transit routing domain? Wouldnt't the "default route" be to an ASBR which is connected to the network of the source? 2) Also, how will the ASBR label the packet if it is so required i.e. how does the ASBR distinguish that it has to do IP lookup on the received ICMP packet or FTN lookup(to assign a label)? regards, Shilpa _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 06:20:50 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwKG-00044y-Cx; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:19:36 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwKF-00041z-1d for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:19:35 -0500 Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com ([199.249.20.2] helo=pmesmtp02.mci.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjwKA-0006fy-O8 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 06:19:35 -0500 Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net ([198.5.241.38]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0J8P0093BWSD0U@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.10.50]) id QQvokj15626; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net id QQvokj04765 for mpls-outgoing; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQvokj04760 for <mpls@mail-control.ash.ops.us.uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.mcilink.com by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: dgismtp02.mcilink.com [166.38.58.142]) id kAEBJ8rY001661 for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.mcilink.com ([127.0.0.1]) by dgismtp02.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0J8P00CF5WRWU4@dgismtp02.mcilink.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmmspam05.mcilink.com ([166.37.156.165]) by dgismtp02.mcilink.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.08 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J8P00CIGWRW5N@dgismtp02.mcilink.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmesmtp01.mci.com (pmesmtp01.mci.com [199.249.20.1]) by pmmspam05.mcilink.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kAEBJ7wj013169 for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmesmtp01.mci.com ([127.0.0.1]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with SMTP id <0J8P00G9WWRPFX@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.172]) by firewall.mci.com (Iplanet MTA 5.2) with ESMTP id <0J8P00G5KWRO9H@firewall.mci.com> for mpls@uu.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:19:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1167116uge for <mpls@uu.net>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr846201huy.1163503139698; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.123.1 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 03:18:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:48:59 +0530 From: shilpa goel <shilpa07@gmail.com> To: mpls@UU.NET Message-id: <d8455be10611140318p7f2b0278vc45ea3b448adee30@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Precedence: bulk DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BigKrTtQ1RlfYryTwlRb8C/ayCXad8u4Jc5WiyLpvGLsHf3n3EdY8SKW/QHr+jTkRP1h4RMwikfUQucsMDiMIZzpkg8XWWVvKd40CR7adgnoFpptb3Fio4+QOf+0iLw6uYWBcD3XmncthJiPYXysE/nAmjkgj4FaV4ZpjKPhhL8= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=3 mlx=3 adultscore=5 adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=3.1.0-0610180000 definitions=main-0611140024 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Cc: Subject: [mpls] TTL in MPLS label stack X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org One doubt regarding TTL processing in label stack! IP TTL value ie copied to the Label1 TTL field in the shim header. Now suppose another label is pushed by an LSR. Will the Label1 TTL value be now copied to the Label2 TTL field (which is not the top label)? 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From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 09:10:55 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjywF-0008U7-I9; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjywE-0008U2-AG for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:58 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GjywC-0007V1-Bt for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:58 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2006 06:06:55 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAEE6tcR003956; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:55 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAEE6sDM008769; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:54 -0500 Received: from [10.86.104.179] ([10.86.104.179]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: <24191371-8D18-4BC8-BBA9-B996ADA7EE51@cisco.com> Message-Id: <323E68CB-B82E-48AC-B0CD-71DE2559EF7E@cisco.com> From: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:06:51 -0500 To: mpls@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2006 14:06:53.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[233825E0:01C707F6] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=22943; t=1163513215; x=1164377215; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jvasseur@cisco.com; z=From:=20JP=20Vasseur=20<jvasseur@cisco.com> |Subject:=20Fwd=3A=20I-D=20ACTION=3Adraft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.tx t=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20mpls@ietf.org; bh=qvyObqXCLEJw2N+0fHqYjUY+/d1H2Uq5yMFOr277+lA=; b=iLokK8EC8O3KSUXHcl89ZDAQXEaa1Ciz28T0PINtu0HxOwfpzY5zWs9hZbEYA6WJEr+RNk+q IOXcYxjzcA8EskAoKYSbCpy0zLd+HKkCLfP5xO6rTDkxS1GG2+LSVl5k; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jvasseur@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6fc5b1c74c5bed09a3a9da2884900dec Cc: Subject: [mpls] Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1944389459==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============1944389459== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-522417634 --Apple-Mail-18-522417634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, As discussed last week, there's a need to document this behavior, implementor's feed-back is more than welcome on this ID. Thanks. JP. Begin forwarded message: > From: JP Vasseur <jvasseur@cisco.com> > Date: September 13, 2006 6:01:12 PM EDT > To: mpls@ietf.org > Cc: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, George Swallow > <swallow@cisco.com>, Loa Andersson <loa@pi.se> > Subject: Fwd: I-D ACTION:draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.txt > > Dear WG members, > > Some of you might recall the in-depth discussion that we had some > time ago wrt to Soft Preemption. I think that we got a pretty clear > consensus on the proposed solution. There was still a remaining > issue related to the definition of "Hard Preemption" used in the > ID. More precisely, some of you required clarifications on RFC3209 > with regards to the behavior of a node upon the reception of a Path > Error. Thus we have produced this ID, the aim of which is simply to > clarify this aspect, thus hopping to be able to move forward on the > Soft Preemption ID (of course, we will produce a new revision of > the Soft Preemption ID referring to this new ID, once we'll get a > consensus). > > Thanks. > > JP, Adrian and George. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org >> Date: September 10, 2006 3:50:01 PM EDT >> To: i-d-announce@ietf.org >> Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.txt >> Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> >> >> Title : Node behavior upon originating and receiving >> Resource ReserVation Protocol (RSVP) >> Path Error message >> Author(s) : J. Vasseur, et al. >> Filename : draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.txt >> Pages : 8 >> Date : 2006-9-10 >> >> The aim of this document is to describe a common practice with regard >> to the behavior of a node sending a Resource ReserVation Protocol >> (RSVP) Path Error message and to the behavior of a node receiving an >> RSVP Path Error message for a particular Multi-Protocol Label >> Switching - Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) Label Switched Path (LSP). >> This text does not define any new protocol extensions. >> >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vasseur-mpls-3209- >> patherr-00.txt >> >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the >> body of >> the message. >> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D- >> announce >> to change your subscription settings. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. 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Different MIME-compliant mail readers >> exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with >> "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split >> up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on >> how to manipulate these messages. >> >> Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader >> implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the >> Internet-Draft. >> Content-Type: text/plain >> Content-ID: <2006-9-10103507.I-D@ietf.org> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > --Apple-Mail-18-522417634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 <HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; = -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi,<DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>As discussed last week, = there's a need to document this behavior, implementor's feed-back is = more than welcome on this ID.<BR><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks.</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP.</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV>Begin = forwarded message:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica">JP Vasseur <<A = href=3D"mailto:jvasseur@cisco.com">jvasseur@cisco.com</A>></FONT></DIV>= <DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Date: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica">September 13, 2006 6:01:12 PM EDT</FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica"><A = href=3D"mailto:mpls@ietf.org">mpls@ietf.org</A></FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Cc: </B></FONT><FONT = face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica">Adrian = Farrel <<A = href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</A>>, George = Swallow <<A = href=3D"mailto:swallow@cisco.com">swallow@cisco.com</A>>, Loa = Andersson <<A = href=3D"mailto:loa@pi.se">loa@pi.se</A>></FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica"><B>Fwd: I-D = ACTION:draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.txt<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></B></FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> Dear WG = members,<DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Some of = you might recall the in-depth discussion that we had some time ago wrt = to Soft Preemption. I think that we got a pretty clear consensus on the = proposed solution. There was still a remaining issue related to the = definition of "Hard Preemption" used in the ID. More precisely, some of = you required clarifications on RFC3209 with regards to the behavior of a = node upon the reception of a Path Error. Thus we have produced this ID, = the aim of which is simply to clarify this aspect, thus hopping to be = able to move forward on the Soft Preemption ID (of course, we will = produce a new revision of the Soft Preemption ID referring to this new = ID, once we'll get a consensus).</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Thanks.</DIV><DIV><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>JP, Adrian and = George.<BR><DIV><BR><DIV>Begin forwarded message:</DIV><BR = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>From: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica"><A = href=3D"mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org">Internet-Drafts@ietf.org</A></FON= T></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" = color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><B>Date: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica">September 10, 2006 3:50:01 PM = EDT</FONT></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" = size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: = #000000"><B>To: </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica"><A = href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce@ietf.org">i-d-announce@ietf.org</A></FONT></DI= V><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Subject: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica"><B>I-D ACTION:draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.txt<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></B></FONT></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" color=3D"#000000" = style=3D"font: 16.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><B>Reply-To: = </B></FONT><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"5" style=3D"font: 16.0px = Helvetica"><A = href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</A></FON= T></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line = Internet-Drafts<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">directories.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span" = style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN>Title<SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span"= style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN><SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span" = style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN>: Node behavior upon originating = and receiving<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 </SPAN>Resource ReserVation Protocol = (RSVP) Path Error message</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> = </SPAN>Author(s)<SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> = </SPAN>: J. Vasseur, et al.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> = </SPAN>Filename<SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> = </SPAN>: draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-patherr-00.txt</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span" = style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN>Pages<SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span"= style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN><SPAN class=3D"Apple-tab-span" = style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN>: 8</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN>Date<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN>: = 2006-9-10</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </SPAN><BR = class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The aim of = this document is to describe a common practice with regard</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">to the behavior of a node sending a Resource = ReserVation Protocol</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">(RSVP) Path Error message = and to the behavior of a node receiving an</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">RSVP = Path Error message for a particular Multi-Protocol Label</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">Switching - Traffic Engineering (MPLS-TE) Label = Switched Path (LSP).</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: = 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">This text does not define = any new protocol extensions.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">A URL for this Internet-Draft is:</DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><A = href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-pather= r-00.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vasseur-mpls-3209-path= err-00.txt</A></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, = send a message to<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DI= V style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><A = href=3D"mailto:i-d-announce-request@ietf.org">i-d-announce-request@ietf.or= g</A> with the word unsubscribe in the body of<SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">the = message.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; ">You can also visit <A = href=3D"https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce">https://www1.= ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce</A><SPAN = class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: = 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to = change your subscription settings.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: = 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Internet-Drafts are also = available by anonymous FTP. 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charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1944389459==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 11:17:15 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0v7-0005bS-7l; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:13:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0v6-0005bN-3y for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:13:56 -0500 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk0uw-0002GC-HJ for mpls@ietf.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:13:56 -0500 Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.120]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id EAEF54E3 for <mpls@ietf.org>; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:13:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.177]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); 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Cheers Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------060404070608040609040201 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="[Tsvwg] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="[Tsvwg] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item" Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.170]) by esealmw103.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:53:30 +0100 Received: from mailgw5.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.36]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:53:29 +0100 Received: from megatron.ietf.org (odin.ietf.ORG [156.154.16.145]) by mailgw5.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id C2326400035; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:53:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvq6-0002S3-Hl; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:48:26 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvq4-0002RS-OF; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:48:24 -0500 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gjvpv-0001dS-Ag; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 05:48:24 -0500 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9C00A661; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.173]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:11 +0100 Received: from [147.214.30.247] ([147.214.30.247]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <45599EEB.4080105@ericsson.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:48:11 -0800 From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tsvwg <tsvwg@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2006 10:48:11.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[6137A490:01C707DA] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Subject: [Tsvwg] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item X-BeenThere: tsvwg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Transport Area Working Group <tsvwg.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg>, <mailto:tsvwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Post: <mailto:tsvwg@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:tsvwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg>, <mailto:tsvwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org Return-Path: tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org Hi, (BCC MPLS for information) Based on feedback from the TSVWG session in San Diego we think there is consensus on adopting draft-davie-ecn-mpls as a TSVWG work item. 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Cheers Magnus Westerlund TSVWG chair Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com --------------060404070608040609040201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --------------060404070608040609040201-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tue Nov 14 16:04:02 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk5P3-0006iJ-Iq; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:01:09 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk5P2-0006hf-0G; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:01:08 -0500 Received: from mail2.noc.data.net.uk ([80.68.34.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gk5Ot-0004Ez-NT; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:01:07 -0500 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gk5Oo-0005pP-00; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:00:54 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.149] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:00:58 +0000 Message-ID: <0ece01c7082f$fa30dd60$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> To: "tsvwg" <tsvwg@ietf.org>, <mpls@ietf.org> References: <4559EB0C.50003@ericsson.com> Subject: Re: [mpls] [Fwd: [Tsvwg] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item] Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:00:48 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2006 21:00:58.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBE7DC30:01C7082F] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Cc: X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, Can you explain to the folks in the MPLS WG why this proposed change in semantic of the MPLS shim header should not be discussed in the MPLS working group and standardised there if appropriate? 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15 03:56:33 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGT9-0003pr-LQ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:50:07 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGT8-0003pk-6w for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:50:06 -0500 Received: from mail1.noc.data.net.uk ([80.68.34.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGT4-00022d-Ob for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:50:06 -0500 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GkGT0-0001hA-00 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:58 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.193] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:47 +0000 Message-ID: <14e901c70893$004512d0$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> To: <ccamp@ops.ietf.org> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:49:37 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 08:49:48.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[01BEBA80:01C70893] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Liaison received from MFA X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, CCAMP has received a liaison from the MFA. You can see this at http://www.olddog.co.uk/incoming.htm I'm not quite sure whether this should actually be handled by us or by the MPLS working group, so I will be discussing it with the MPLS chairs. All comments on this work gratefully received. We are called upon to respond by February. Adrian _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 15 04:19:29 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGu5-0006Gx-TE; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:17:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGu3-0006GN-Mv; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:17:55 -0500 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkGty-0006Am-CI; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:17:55 -0500 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 9875672C; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:17:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.172]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:17:45 +0100 Received: from [147.214.30.247] ([147.214.30.247]) by esealmw128.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 10:17:45 +0100 Message-ID: <455ADB39.6060805@ericsson.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:17:45 -0800 From: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Subject: Re: [mpls] [Fwd: [Tsvwg] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item] References: <4559EB0C.50003@ericsson.com> <0ece01c7082f$fa30dd60$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> In-Reply-To: <0ece01c7082f$fa30dd60$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 09:17:45.0039 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8FD75F0:01C70896] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Cc: mpls@ietf.org, tsvwg <tsvwg@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Adrian Farrel skrev: > Hi, > > Can you explain to the folks in the MPLS WG why this proposed change in > semantic of the MPLS shim header should not be discussed in the MPLS working > group and standardised there if appropriate? > Hi Adrian, To my knowledge this work was presented in the MPLS WG in Montreal. It has also been presented in TSVWG both in Montreal and in San Diego. There was support in TSVWG meeting to do the work and the ECN knowledge is present in TSVWG. To my understanding the knowledge needed is primarily about ECN less about MPLS. That is why we thing TSVWG should do the work with help from MPLS. There will be a joint last call and interactions when needed. Cheers Magnus Westerlund IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVA/A ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 8 4048287 Torshamsgatan 23 | Fax +46 8 7575550 S-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 15 07:53:13 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkKBJ-00034l-Go; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:47:57 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkKBI-00034d-GC; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:47:56 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkKBG-0005hT-QZ; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:47:56 -0500 Received: from sj-dkim-4.cisco.com ([171.71.179.196]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2006 04:47:54 -0800 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-4.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kAFClrtD020865; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:47:53 -0800 Received: from xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-211.cisco.com [171.70.151.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kAFClrin017204; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:47:53 -0800 Received: from [10.0.0.187] ([10.21.144.235]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:47:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: <455ADB39.6060805@ericsson.com> References: <4559EB0C.50003@ericsson.com> <0ece01c7082f$fa30dd60$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> <455ADB39.6060805@ericsson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0EC49BBB-7D5C-49F2-95FE-6E4D5BFDABAA@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Bruce Davie <bdavie@cisco.com> Subject: Re: [mpls] [Fwd: [Tsvwg] Making draft-davie-ecn-mpls a TSVWG item] Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:47:53 -0500 To: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2006 12:47:53.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[442EED10:01C708B4] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1910; t=1163594873; x=1164458873; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim4002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=bdavie@cisco.com; z=From:=20Bruce=20Davie=20<bdavie@cisco.com> |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20[Fwd=3A=20[Tsvwg]=20Making=20draft-davie-ecn -mpls=20a=20TSVWG=20item] |Sender:=20; bh=F7UBzlAYeVH209dQXXDwzaAiB9EwGEK9AOkb9N+3pkI=; b=DkljEaaDwXaxNjMzZKlU0Zgcvd6O2ucfd5fTgpG2LbREv1RQEmyKDScPGsuWZMvMlwDhyTA0 9MXLe/AjqE0O9/pqhzyEoUCaUkFUoiCBTJM5iM1d13MhVdHEtWVSS+tf; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-4; header.From=bdavie@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim4002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa Cc: mpls@ietf.org, tsvwg <tsvwg@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Just to add to Magnus' comments: - having presented at both WGs, I found that the core expertise needed to understand the draft is ECN, which is to be found in the TSVWG - the primary benefit of the draft is to remove an impediment to ECN deployment - George Swallow was present at the most recent presentation to TSVWG and supported the plan of doing the primary work in TSVWG with cross WG review Bruce On Nov 15, 2006, at 4:17 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote: > Adrian Farrel skrev: >> Hi, >> Can you explain to the folks in the MPLS WG why this proposed >> change in semantic of the MPLS shim header should not be discussed >> in the MPLS working group and standardised there if appropriate? > > Hi Adrian, > > To my knowledge this work was presented in the MPLS WG in Montreal. > It has also been presented in TSVWG both in Montreal and in San > Diego. There was support in TSVWG meeting to do the work and the > ECN knowledge is present in TSVWG. To my understanding the > knowledge needed is primarily about ECN less about MPLS. That is > why we thing TSVWG should do the work with help from MPLS. 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In-Reply-To: <D3C85156A12AAB4DB23F598007E9826D16325F@dove.seabridge.co.il> Message-ID: <20061116151325.D4655@kummer.juniper.net> References: <D3C85156A12AAB4DB23F598007E9826D16325F@dove.seabridge.co.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Esther Bar-Hall wrote: This is truly an original message! 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[127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkzYL-0006zh-CK; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:58:29 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkzYJ-0006zG-3w for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:58:27 -0500 Received: from mail2.noc.data.net.uk ([80.68.34.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GkzYE-0000Qp-JI for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:58:27 -0500 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail2.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GkzY0-0001m7-00 for mpls@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:58:08 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.58] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:58:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3dd001c70a26$7d4d9560$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk> To: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net>, "Esther Bar-Hall" <esther.bar-hall@SeabridgeNetworks.com> References: <D3C85156A12AAB4DB23F598007E9826D16325F@dove.seabridge.co.il> <20061116151325.D4655@kummer.juniper.net> Subject: Re: [mpls] probability of conifguring in a valid way "snake" teston Cards in an LSR? Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 08:57:55 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2006 08:58:09.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[80F1E540:01C70A26] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d8ae4fd88fcaf47c1a71c804d04f413d Cc: mpls@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Kireeti, Initial attempts to do snake tests with a box ran into the problem of not being able to tell whether the snake was dead or alive until you opened the box at which time, if the snake was alive, you would inevitably be bitten. This drawback led to snake tests being abandoned for several years until someone discovered that you could do the same test using a cage. The benefit of a cage, clearly, is that you can see in and determine from a safe distance whether the snake is alive or not (except for a few cunning ones that can lie particularly still). However, another problem has manifested itself recently, and this may be what Esther is struggling with. Unless the bars of the cage are very close together, or the snake unreasonably fat, the cage often appears empty towards the end of the test. 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In-Reply-To: <3dd001c70a26$7d4d9560$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> Message-ID: <20061117073018.Q7196@kummer.juniper.net> References: <D3C85156A12AAB4DB23F598007E9826D16325F@dove.seabridge.co.il> <20061116151325.D4655@kummer.juniper.net> <3dd001c70a26$7d4d9560$5a418182@your029b8cecfe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: mpls@ietf.org, Esther Bar-Hall <esther.bar-hall@SeabridgeNetworks.com> X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Initial attempts to do snake tests with a box ran into the problem of not > being able to tell whether the snake was dead or alive until you opened the > box at which time, if the snake was alive, you would inevitably be bitten. > This drawback led to snake tests being abandoned for several years until > someone discovered that you could do the same test using a cage. > > The benefit of a cage, clearly, is that you can see in and determine from a > safe distance whether the snake is alive or not (except for a few cunning > ones that can lie particularly still). However, another problem has > manifested itself recently, and this may be what Esther is struggling with. > Unless the bars of the cage are very close together, or the snake > unreasonably fat, the cage often appears empty towards the end of the test. Thank you, Adrian, it's all much clearer now! If we used an IGP-signaled auto-mesh, would that help? Then we can answer Esther's question: the topology would be full-mesh, and configuration (conifguration?) would be considerably simplified. JP, you can help here. Can you please add a 'granularity' knob for auto-meshes, preferably measured in millimeters? > Adrian > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kireeti Kompella" <kireeti@juniper.net> > To: "Esther Bar-Hall" <esther.bar-hall@SeabridgeNetworks.com> > Cc: <mpls@ietf.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:14 PM > Subject: Re: [mpls] probability of conifguring in a valid way "snake" teston > Cards in an LSR? > > >> On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Esther Bar-Hall wrote: >> >> This is truly an original message! >> >> Esther, would you mind explaining what this is about? >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:kireeti@juniper.net] >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 21:56 >>> To: LE ROUX Jean-Louis RD-CORE-LAN >>> Hi, >>> >>> I need to know whether there is a way to fully populate a Cage with >>> cards and run a "snake" test on all ports with two ports of TE >>> connected to the cage, where the NE functions as an LER/LSR? >>> >>> Please advise on the matter and how will the topology will be and the >>> configurations? >>> >>> Any help will be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpls mailing list >>> mpls@lists.ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpls mailing list >>> mpls@lists.ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >>> >> >> Kireeti. >> ------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpls mailing list >> mpls@lists.ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >> >> >> > Kireeti. ------- _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From apache@19fire.info Fri Nov 17 12:58:40 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gl7z6-0004KS-NW for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:58:40 -0500 Received: from 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Nov 2006 06:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <93286082599786.EB935E9AC0@29HYLTRV> From: "apposition" <clotheadler@yaesu-book.co.jp> To: <mpls@lists.ietf.org> Subject: imprescriptible ZFZX Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:13:57 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: fmCtjdiAir3HDkXqdnvWeDj43MLEFPgoexji Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F6_1EDD31BF.09147650" X-Spam-Score: 2.1 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 20f22c03b5c66958bff5ef54fcda6e48 ------=_NextPart_000_00F6_1EDD31BF.09147650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <div align="left"> <p><font face=Arial = > pieces? 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"cocktail" <actualcognizable@xinlantextile.com> To: <mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org> Subject: necessary WGQZ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:28:12 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Thread-Index: AElCoVOQUI3i7ZUlxqyGQCWgDj3gnmbRJ0t3 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_CC73A1BC.CDD9070B" X-Spam-Score: 4.6 (++++) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_CC73A1BC.CDD9070B Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2963" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <div align="left"> <p><font face=Arial = >All the top dogs in the scene--Stephan Papadakis, Ed Bergenholtz, Lisa Kubo, Christian Rado, Viet Lam, 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mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Nov 20 14:26:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmEiL-0005sR-DG; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:21:57 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Glwb3-0004Jy-CX for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:01:13 -0500 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Glwb3-0005J7-4L for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:01:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (stiedprweb1.va.neustar.com [10.91.34.42]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DF01758F; Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:00:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mirror by ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GlwaY-0001CZ-B2; Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:00:42 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, Danny McPherson <danny@arbor.net>, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, Deborah Brungard <dbrungard@att.com> From: Greg Jones (ITU-T SG 15) <tsbsg15@itu.int> Message-Id: <E1GlwaY-0001CZ-B2@ietf.org> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 19:00:42 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:21:54 -0500 Cc: greg.jones@itu.int, mpls@lists.ietf.org, Bill Fenner <fenner@research.att.com>, pwe3@ietf.org, yoichi.maeda@ntt-at.co.jp, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, tsbsg15@itu.int, Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net>, Mark Townsley <townsley@cisco.com>, betts01@nortel.com Subject: [mpls] New Liaison Statement, "G.8110.1 Amendment 1" X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tsbsg15@itu.int, greg.jones@itu.int List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: 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To: <greg.jones@itu.int> References: <E1GlwSY-00018A-FP@ietf.org> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:45:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c0bedb65cce30976f0bf60a0a39edea4 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] Contents of New Liaison Statement, "G.8110.1 Approval" X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tom Petch <nwnetworks@dial.pipex.com> List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org <cc list curtailed slightly> Downloading this liaison reminds me of something that has been bugging me for ages. As downloaded to my C: disk, it is a Word document of 1953KB and Word tells me its Statistics are File size 1,999,360 bytes Words 105 Characters 653 Is that right, is that all the word content of this rather large file (big enough for about 30 average sized RFC)? Or is there an attachment buried in there somewhere that Word and I are not seeing? Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Jones (ITU-T SG 15)" <tsbsg15@itu.int> To: "Stewart Bryant" <stbryant@cisco.com>; "Danny McPherson" <danny@arbor.net>; "Adrian Farrel" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; "Deborah Brungard" <dbrungard@att.com> Cc: <greg.jones@itu.int>; <mpls@lists.ietf.org>; "Bill Fenner" <fenner@research.att.com>; <pwe3@ietf.org>; <yoichi.maeda@ntt-at.co.jp>; "Jari Arkko" <jari.arkko@piuha.net>; <tsbsg15@itu.int>; "Ross Callon" <rcallon@juniper.net>; "Mark Townsley" <townsley@cisco.com>; <betts01@nortel.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 12:52 AM Subject: [mpls] New Liaison Statement, "G.8110.1 Approval" > > Title: G.8110.1 Approval > Submission Date: 2006-11-19 > URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/liaison_detail.cgi?detail_id=286 > > From: Greg Jones(ITU-T SG 15) <tsbsg15@itu.int> > To: IETF pwe3 and mpls WG(Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com>, Danny McPherson <danny@arbor.net>, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, Deborah Brungard <dbrungard@att.com>) > Cc: sob@harvard.edu > Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> > Mark Townsley <townsley@cisco.com> > Ross Callon <rcallon@juniper.net> > Bill Fenner <fenner@research.att.com> > Alex Zinin <zinin@psg.com> > yoichi.maeda@ntt-at.co.jp > sjtrowbridge@lucent.com > pwe3@ietf.org > mpls@lists.ietf.org > Reponse Contact: tsbsg15@itu.int > greg.jones@itu.int > Technical Contact: betts01@nortel.com > Purpose: For information > Body: > Attachment(s): > G.8110.1 Approval (https://datatracker.ietf.org/documents/LIAISON/file389.doc) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 22 05:09:59 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmp1v-0001mP-Vn; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:08:35 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmp1u-0001mA-BS for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:08:34 -0500 Received: from [62.179.120.14] (helo=amsfep19-int.chello.nl) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gmp1r-0002q9-Uf for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:08:34 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20061122100827.RKXB100.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@localhost>; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:08:27 +0100 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16 (webedge20-101-1106-20040809) X-Originating-IP: [84.41.181.195] From: <hhelvoort@chello.nl> To: Tom Petch <nwnetworks@dial.pipex.com>,<greg.jones@itu.int> Subject: Re: [mpls] Contents of New Liaison Statement, "G.8110.1 Approval" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:08:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20061122100827.RKXB100.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@localhost> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hello Tom, You wondered: > Downloading this liaison reminds me of something that has been bugging me for > ages. As downloaded to my C: disk, it is a Word document of 1953KB and Word > tells me its Statistics are > File size 1,999,360 bytes > Words 105 > Characters 653 > > Is that right, is that all the word content of this rather large file (big > enough for about 30 average sized RFC)? > Or is there an attachment buried in there somewhere that Word and I are not > seeing? There is a word icon at the bottom of the page, if you double click that the attached G.8110.1 doc opens. This embedded attachment accounts for the large filesize. Cheers, Huub. _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 22 06:47:58 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmqXN-0004Ir-13; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:45:09 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmqXL-0004IO-3o for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:45:07 -0500 Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net ([62.241.162.31]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GmqXJ-0005ZM-RG for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:45:07 -0500 Received: from pc6 (1Cust176.tnt27.lnd4.gbr.da.uu.net [62.188.154.176]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F9BFE0008D2; Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:45:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <03b601c70e23$4e8790e0$0601a8c0@pc6> From: "Tom Petch" <nwnetworks@dial.pipex.com> To: <hhelvoort@chello.nl> References: <20061122100827.RKXB100.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@localhost> Subject: Re: [mpls] Contents of New Liaison Statement, "G.8110.1 Approval" Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:45:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tom Petch <nwnetworks@dial.pipex.com> List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Tom Petch ----- Original Message ----- From: <hhelvoort@chello.nl> To: "Tom Petch" <nwnetworks@dial.pipex.com>; <greg.jones@itu.int> Cc: <mpls@lists.ietf.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [mpls] Contents of New Liaison Statement, "G.8110.1 Approval" > Hello Tom, > > You wondered: > > > Downloading this liaison reminds me of something that has been bugging me for > > ages. As downloaded to my C: disk, it is a Word document of 1953KB and Word > > tells me its Statistics are > > File size 1,999,360 bytes > > Words 105 > > Characters 653 > > > > Is that right, is that all the word content of this rather large file (big > > enough for about 30 average sized RFC)? > > Or is there an attachment buried in there somewhere that Word and I are not > > seeing? > > There is a word icon at the bottom of the page, if you double click that the attached > G.8110.1 doc opens. This embedded attachment accounts for the large filesize. > Yes I see it and it has a pale mauve rectangular background. But when I click on it, once, twice, right, left, nothing happens. 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(helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gntxf-00071N-0n; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:36:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gntxe-00071F-5m for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:36:38 -0500 Received: from 87-196-253-236.net.novis.pt ([87.196.253.236]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gntxb-0003go-Qq for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:36:38 -0500 Message-ID: <AE2FE2FF.0861610@telcordia.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:37:14 +0000 From: Micah <Clayton@telcordia.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 3.1 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 825e642946eda55cd9bc654a36dab8c2 Subject: [mpls] We are happy to present you our new project! X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG <mpls.lists.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www1.ietf.org/pipermail/mpls> List-Post: <mailto:mpls@lists.ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls>, <mailto:mpls-request@lists.ietf.org?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0151495548==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0151495548== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030502060509010702000102" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030502060509010702000102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We are happy to present you our new project!Today our online auction bidding company Moneylight has finally begun successful cooperation with American financial oganizations.Our online auction bidding system is secured with many ameican major banks and this is why we, as the official affiliate of these banks, are ready to guarantee safety and security of every online auction opeation our company processes in the USA Available vacancies:Customer support manager: 8 hours per day. 2400$ per month.Requirements: car, PC, cell and home phones, internet access.Assist customers from your region with full time internet and personal support.Bidding manager: part-time 2-4 hours per day. From 4000$ per month + weekly bonuses for succesful completion of daily assigments with no delay.Requirements: internet access and be able to check your email several times a day, cell and home/work phones, personal/business checking bank account(s).Age limit: from 18 y.o.Be able to contact our managers and customers both with your cell phone and email. Assist customers from your region with funds processing from the initial bidder to the seller itself.Checking bank account is obligatory.Become the initial third party between the seller and the bidder from USA region.Transport manager: 6-10 hours per day. 2400$ per month.Requirements: car, PC, cell and home phones, internet access. Punctuality and responsibility.Benefits:1. Become our initial representative and a middleman between the seller and the buyer from your country.2. Gain authority with people from all parts of the world who really rely on your service.3. Possible career growth.4. Work effeciently with no holds and delays and get weekly bonuses besides monthly salary for outstanding performance.For immediate and confidential consideration, please [1]CLICK HERE to send us email with the following APPLICATION FORM.APPLICATION FORM:1. Your full name:2. Your country:3. Your full adress.4. Your mobile contact phone:5. Your fixed/home contact phone:6. Your work contact phone:7. Your contact email:8. Are you ready to start working with our company? (must be 'Yes/No')9. Are you ready to accept money transfers to your bank account (must be 'Yes/No')Sincerly Yours,Jan LipponenStaff manager References 1. mailto:moneylightcorp@gmail.com --------------030502060509010702000102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title>We are happy to present you our new project!

We are happy to present you our new project!

Today our online auction bidding company Moneylight has finally begun successful cooperation with American financial oganizations.

Our online auction bidding system is secured with many ameican major banks and this is why we, as the official affiliate of these banks, are ready to guarantee safety and security of every online auction opeation our company processes in the USA

Available vacancies:
 Customer support manager: 8 hours per day. 2400$ per month.
Requirements: car, PC, cell and home phones, internet access.
Assist customers from your region with full time internet and personal support.

Bidding manager: part-time 2-4 hours per day. From 4000$ per month + weekly bonuses for succesful completion of daily assigments with no delay.
Requirements: internet access and be able to check your email several times a day, cell and home/work phones, personal/business checking bank account(s).
Age limit: from 18 y.o.
Be able to contact our managers and customers both with your cell phone and email. Assist customers from your region with funds processing from the initial bidder to the seller itself.
Checking bank account is obligatory.
Become the initial third party between the seller and the bidder from USA region.

Transport manager: 6-10 hours per day. 2400$ per month.
Requirements: car, PC, cell and home phones, internet access. Punctuality and responsibility.

 Benefits:
 1. Become our initial representative and a middleman between the seller and the buyer from your country.
2. Gain authority with people from all parts of the world who really rely on your service.
3. Possible career growth.
4. Work effeciently with no holds and delays and get weekly bonuses besides monthly salary for outstanding performance.


For immediate and confidential consideration, please CLICK HERE to send us email with the following APPLICATION FORM.

APPLICATION FORM:
 1. Your full name:
2. Your country:
3. Your full adress.
4. Your mobile contact phone:
5. Your fixed/home contact phone:
6. Your work contact phone:
7. Your contact email:
8. Are you ready to start working with our company? (must be 'Yes/No')
9. Are you ready to accept money transfers to your bank account (must be 'Yes/No')


 Sincerly Yours,
Jan Lipponen
Staff manager
--------------030502060509010702000102-- --===============0151495548== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============0151495548==-- From vgjeruoeg@tpnet.pl Sat Nov 25 06:12:37 2006 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnvSX-0000Jz-TE for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:12:37 -0500 Received: from abxn159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([83.9.7.159] helo=abyx80.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnvSW-00060P-11 for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:12:37 -0500 From: "social" To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: Wall Street Alert! Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:12:36 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7108A.FE97C900" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AccQiv6XGuRj0Z2HTcyBFEzSKUneXA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7108A.FE97C900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7108A.FE97C900-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Nov 25 10:31:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRk-0007Gw-IG; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:04 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRh-0007GO-VW; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from mx2.lb.mrv.com ([66.43.110.200] helo=chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRf-0008V3-9x; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (127.0.0.1) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (MlfMTA v3.2r1b3) id hd1gd20171sp; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 (envelope-from ) Received: from chmailsrv.int.mrv.com ([192.168.11.19]) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (SonicWALL 5.0.0.8239) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 Received: from zeus.yok.int.mrv.com ([172.21.9.11]) by chmailsrv.int.mrv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:55 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:26:45 +0200 Message-ID: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD41C@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?windows-1255?Q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Traceroute=29_-_or_maybe?= =?windows-1255?Q?_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= Thread-Index: AccQph2T/seaIBlLQ2OaC87LSWoBYQ== From: "Asaf Henig" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2006 15:27:55.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[4772CD30:01C710A6] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.0.8239 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200611251527090072636 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a3f7094ccc62748c06b21fcf44c073ee Cc: Alon Michaeli , Amnon Ilan Subject: [mpls] =?windows-1255?q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Tracerou?= =?windows-1255?q?te=29_-_or_maybe_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1673130291==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1673130291== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec Validation, i.e. = a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC tlv that describes it.=20 However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that there are = cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and FECs. =20 Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which includes = only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to which it is the egress router may advertise different labels = to the same network to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP = sessions. This is especially true to LSRs working in Global label space. = In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although = the algorithm described in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the = interface through which the echo request packet arrived, this interface = is not an indicator for the LDP session (think of several LSRs found in = the same network and are connected by a bridge).=20 =20 It is important to note that there are some FEC TLVs in which this issue = is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC which includes = extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have a full 1 = to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label. =20 =20 When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with an LDP ipv4 FEC, reaches = an egress LSR (LER), this LSR needs to match between the incoming packet = and one of his opened LDP sessions. There are several options to solve = this issue: one would be to change RFC 4379 and to add to the LDP ipv4 = FEC described in the RFC a ping originator address (this address should = be the originator=92s transport address). Another option can be to = conclude the LDP session from the source ip address of the echo request = packet. The last option in my opinion shouldn=92t be the preferred one = since it requires matching between the incoming packet and the = address-list TLV used in the LDP protocol. However even this last option = should have been discussed in the RFC.=20 =20 Please enlighten me with your thoughts. Did I miss something in the RFC.=20 Regards Asaf Henig=20 MRV communications. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec = Validation, i.e. =0A= a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC =0A= tlv that describes it.

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However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that = there are =0A= cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and =0A= FECs.

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=0A=

Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which = includes =0A= only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to =0A= which it is the egress router may advertise different labels to the same = network =0A= to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP sessions. This is = especially =0A= true to LSRs working in Global label space.

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In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration =0A= the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although the algorithm = described =0A= in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the interface through which the = echo =0A= request packet arrived, this interface is not an indicator for the LDP = session =0A= (think of several LSRs found in the same network and are connected by a = bridge). =0A=

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It is important to note that there are some FEC = TLVs in =0A= which this issue is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC = which =0A= includes extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have = a full =0A= 1 to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label. &From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Nov 25 10:31:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRk-0007Gw-IG; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:04 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRh-0007GO-VW; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from mx2.lb.mrv.com ([66.43.110.200] helo=chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRf-0008V3-9x; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (127.0.0.1) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (MlfMTA v3.2r1b3) id hd1gd20171sp; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 (envelope-from ) Received: from chmailsrv.int.mrv.com ([192.168.11.19]) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (SonicWALL 5.0.0.8239) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 Received: from zeus.yok.int.mrv.com ([172.21.9.11]) by chmailsrv.int.mrv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:55 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:26:45 +0200 Message-ID: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD41C@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?windows-1255?Q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Traceroute=29_-_or_maybe?= =?windows-1255?Q?_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= Thread-Index: AccQph2T/seaIBlLQ2OaC87LSWoBYQ== From: "Asaf Henig" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2006 15:27:55.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[4772CD30:01C710A6] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.0.8239 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200611251527090072636 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a3f7094ccc62748c06b21fcf44c073ee Cc: Alon Michaeli , Amnon Ilan Subject: [mpls] =?windows-1255?q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Tracerou?= =?windows-1255?q?te=29_-_or_maybe_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1673130291==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1673130291== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec Validation, i.e. = a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC tlv that describes it.=20 However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that there are = cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and FECs. =20 Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which includes = only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to which it is the egress router may advertise different labels = to the same network to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP = sessions. This is especially true to LSRs working in Global label space. = In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although = the algorithm described in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the = interface through which the echo request packet arrived, this interface = is not an indicator for the LDP session (think of several LSRs founnbsp;

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=0A=

When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with an LDP ipv4 = FEC, reaches =0A= an egress LSR (LER), this LSR needs to match between the incoming packet = and one =0A= of his opened LDP sessions. There are several options to solve this = issue: one =0A= would be to change RFC 4379 and to add to the LDP ipv4 FEC described in = the RFC =0A= a ping originator address (this address should be the originator=92s = transport =0A= address).  Another option = can be to =0A= conclude the LDP session from the source ip address of the echo request = packet. =0A= The last option in my opinion shouldn=92t be the preferred one since it = requires =0A= matching between the incoming packet and the address-list TLV used in = the LDP =0A= protocol. However even this last option should have been discussed in = the RFC. =0A=

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Please enlighten me with your thoughts.

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Did I miss something in the RFC.

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Regards

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Asaf Henig

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MRV communications.  =0A=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB-- --===============1673130291== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1673130291==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Nov 25 10:31:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRj-0007Gi-T7; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:03 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRh-0007GQ-W2 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from mx2.lb.mrv.com ([66.43.110.200] helo=chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com) by ied in = the same network and are connected by a bridge).=20 =20 It is important to note that there are some FEC TLVs in which this issue = is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC which includes = extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have a full 1 = to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label. =20 =20 When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with an LDP ipv4 FEC, reaches = an egress LSR (LER), this LSR needs to match between the incoming packet = and one of his opened LDP sessions. There are several options to solve = this issue: one would be to change RFC 4379 and to add to the LDP ipv4 = FEC described in the RFC a ping originator address (this address should = be the originator=92s transport address). Another option can be to = conclude the LDP session from the source ip address of the echo request = packet. The last option in my opinion shouldn=92t be the preferred one = since it requires matching between the incoming packet and the = address-list TLV used in the LDP protocol. However even this last option = should have been discussed in the RFC.=20 =20 Please enlighten me with your thoughts. Did I miss something in the RFC.=20 Regards Asaf Henig=20 MRV communications. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec = Validation, i.e. =0A= a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC =0A= tlv that describes it.

=0A=

However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that = there are =0A= cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and =0A= FECs.

=0A=

 

=0A=

Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which = includes =0A= only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to =0A= which it is the egress router may advertise different labels to the same = network =0A= to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP sessions. This is = especially =0A= true to LSRs working in Global label space.

=0A=

In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration =0A= the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although the algorithm = described =0A= in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the interface through which the = echo =0A= request packet arrived, this interface is not an indicator for the LDP = session =0A= (think of several LSRs found in the same network and are connected by a = bridge). =0A=

=0A=

 

=0A=

It is important to note that there are some FEC = TLVs in =0A= which this issue is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC = which =0A= includes extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have = a full =0A= 1 to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label. &tf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRf-0008V4-9x for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (127.0.0.1) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (MlfMTA v3.2r1b3) id hd1gd20171sp for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 (envelope-from ) Received: from chmailsrv.int.mrv.com ([192.168.11.19]) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (SonicWALL 5.0.0.8239) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 Received: from zeus.yok.int.mrv.com ([172.21.9.11]) by chmailsrv.int.mrv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:55 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:26:45 +0200 Message-ID: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD41C@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?windows-1255?Q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Traceroute=29_-_or_maybe?= =?windows-1255?Q?_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= Thread-Index: AccQph2T/seaIBlLQ2OaC87LSWoBYQ== From: "Asaf Henig" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2006 15:27:55.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[4772CD30:01C710A6] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.0.8239 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200611251527090072636 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a3f7094ccc62748c06b21fcf44c073ee Cc: Alon Michaeli , Amnon Ilan Subject: [mpls] =?windows-1255?q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Tracerou?= =?windows-1255?q?te=29_-_or_maybe_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0139775663==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0139775663== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec Validation, i.e. = a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC tlv that describes it.=20 However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that there are = cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and FECs. =20 Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which includes = only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to which it is the egress router may advertise different labels = to the same network to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP = sessions. This is especially true to LSRs working in Global label space. = In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although = the algorithm described in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the = interface through which the echo request packet arrived, this interface = is not an indicator for the LDP session (think of several LSRs found in = the same network and are connected by a bridge).=20 =20 It is important to note that there are some FEC TLVs in which this issue = is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC which includes = extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have a full 1 = to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label. =20 =20 When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with anbsp;

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=0A=

When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with an LDP ipv4 = FEC, reaches =0A= an egress LSR (LER), this LSR needs to match between the incoming packet = and one =0A= of his opened LDP sessions. There are several options to solve this = issue: one =0A= would be to change RFC 4379 and to add to the LDP ipv4 FEC described in = the RFC =0A= a ping originator address (this address should be the originator=92s = transport =0A= address).  Another option = can be to =0A= conclude the LDP session from the source ip address of the echo request = packet. =0A= The last option in my opinion shouldn=92t be the preferred one since it = requires =0A= matching between the incoming packet and the address-list TLV used in = the LDP =0A= protocol. However even this last option should have been discussed in = the RFC. =0A=

=0A=

 

=0A=

Please enlighten me with your thoughts.

=0A=

Did I miss something in the RFC.

=0A=

Regards

=0A=

Asaf Henig

=0A=

MRV communications.  =0A=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB-- --===============1673130291== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1673130291==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Sat Nov 25 10:31:38 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRj-0007Gi-T7; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:03 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRh-0007GQ-W2 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from mx2.lb.mrv.com ([66.43.110.200] helo=chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com) by ien LDP ipv4 FEC, reaches = an egress LSR (LER), this LSR needs to match between the incoming packet = and one of his opened LDP sessions. There are several options to solve = this issue: one would be to change RFC 4379 and to add to the LDP ipv4 = FEC described in the RFC a ping originator address (this address should = be the originator=92s transport address). Another option can be to = conclude the LDP session from the source ip address of the echo request = packet. The last option in my opinion shouldn=92t be the preferred one = since it requires matching between the incoming packet and the = address-list TLV used in the LDP protocol. However even this last option = should have been discussed in the RFC.=20 =20 Please enlighten me with your thoughts. Did I miss something in the RFC.=20 Regards Asaf Henig=20 MRV communications. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec = Validation, i.e. =0A= a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC =0A= tlv that describes it.

=0A=

However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that = there are =0A= cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and =0A= FECs.

=0A=

 

=0A=

Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which = includes =0A= only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to =0A= which it is the egress router may advertise different labels to the same = network =0A= to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP sessions. This is = especially =0A= true to LSRs working in Global label space.

=0A=

In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration =0A= the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although the algorithm = described =0A= in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the interface through which the = echo =0A= request packet arrived, this interface is not an indicator for the LDP = session =0A= (think of several LSRs found in the same network and are connected by a = bridge). =0A=

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It is important to note that there are some FEC = TLVs in =0A= which this issue is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC = which =0A= includes extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have = a full =0A= 1 to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label.  

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When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with an LDP ipv4 = FEC, reaches =0A= an egress LSR (LER), this LSR needs to match between the intf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnzRf-0008V4-9x for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:28:01 -0500 Received: from chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (127.0.0.1) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (MlfMTA v3.2r1b3) id hd1gd20171sp for ; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 (envelope-from ) Received: from chmailsrv.int.mrv.com ([192.168.11.19]) by chmailqsrv.int.mrv.com (SonicWALL 5.0.0.8239) with ESMTP; Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:10 -0800 Received: from zeus.yok.int.mrv.com ([172.21.9.11]) by chmailsrv.int.mrv.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:27:55 -0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:26:45 +0200 Message-ID: <685D66DF6DB563459D23ECD8B30C73A40CD41C@zeus.yok.int.mrv.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: =?windows-1255?Q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Traceroute=29_-_or_maybe?= =?windows-1255?Q?_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= Thread-Index: AccQph2T/seaIBlLQ2OaC87LSWoBYQ== From: "Asaf Henig" To: , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2006 15:27:55.0267 (UTC) FILETIME=[4772CD30:01C710A6] X-Mlf-Version: 5.0.0.8239 X-Mlf-UniqueId: o200611251527090072636 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a3f7094ccc62748c06b21fcf44c073ee Cc: Alon Michaeli , Amnon Ilan Subject: [mpls] =?windows-1255?q?BUG_in_RFC_4379_=28_MPLS_Ping_/_Tracerou?= =?windows-1255?q?te=29_-_or_maybe_not_=96_please_enlighten_me?= X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0139775663==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0139775663== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec Validation, i.e. = a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC tlv that describes it.=20 However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that there are = cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and FECs. =20 Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which includes = only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to which it is the egress router may advertise different labels = to the same network to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP = sessions. This is especially true to LSRs working in Global label space. = In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although = the algorithm described in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the = interface through which the echo request packet arrived, this interface = is not an indicator for the LDP session (think of several LSRs found in = the same network and are connected by a bridge).=20 =20 It is important to note that there are some FEC TLVs in which this issue = is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC which includes = extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have a full 1 = to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label. =20 =20 When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with acoming packet = and one =0A= of his opened LDP sessions. There are several options to solve this = issue: one =0A= would be to change RFC 4379 and to add to the LDP ipv4 FEC described in = the RFC =0A= a ping originator address (this address should be the originator=92s = transport =0A= address).  Another option = can be to =0A= conclude the LDP session from the source ip address of the echo request = packet. =0A= The last option in my opinion shouldn=92t be the preferred one since it = requires =0A= matching between the incoming packet and the address-list TLV used in = the LDP =0A= protocol. However even this last option should have been discussed in = the RFC. =0A=

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Please enlighten me with your thoughts.

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Did I miss something in the RFC.

=0A=

Regards

=0A=

Asaf Henig

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MRV communications.  =0A=

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Section 4.4.1 in the RFC describes an algorithm for Fec = Validation, i.e. =0A= a procedure to verify the compatibility between the incoming label and = the FEC =0A= tlv that describes it.

=0A=

However, it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t notice that = there are =0A= cases in which there is no 1 to 1 compatibility between the incoming = labels and =0A= FECs.

=0A=

 

=0A=

Specifically let me point out the simple LDP ipv4 FEC tlv which = includes =0A= only a simple prefix to describe any FEC. An LSR advertising the = networks to =0A= which it is the egress router may advertise different labels to the same = network =0A= to different LSRs with which it has opened an LDP sessions. This is = especially =0A= true to LSRs working in Global label space.

=0A=

In general it appears that the RFC writers didn=92t take into = consideration =0A= the issue of different LDP sessions. Note that although the algorithm = described =0A= in section 4.4.1 also asks to validate the interface through which the = echo =0A= request packet arrived, this interface is not an indicator for the LDP = session =0A= (think of several LSRs found in the same network and are connected by a = bridge). =0A=

=0A=

 

=0A=

It is important to note that there are some FEC = TLVs in =0A= which this issue is not relevant. An example can be the RSVP ipv4 FEC = which =0A= includes extended-tunnel-id that marks the ping originator and thus have = a full =0A= 1 to 1 compatibility between the FEC and the incoming label.  

=0A=

 

=0A=

When an incoming mpls echo request packet, with an LDP ipv4 = FEC, reaches =0A= an egress LSR (LER), this LSR needs to match between the incoming packet = and one =0A= of his opened LDP sessions. There are several options to solve this = issue: one =0A= would be to change RFC 4379 and to add to the LDP ipv4 FEC described in = the RFC =0A= a ping originator address (this address should be the originator=92s = transport =0A= address).  Another option = can be to =0A= conclude the LDP session from the source ip address of the echo request = packet. =0A= The last option in my opinion shouldn=92t be the preferred one since it = requires =0A= matching between the incoming packet and the address-list TLV used in = the LDP =0A= protocol. However even this last option should have been discussed in = the RFC. =0A=

=0A=

 

=0A=

Please enlighten me with your thoughts.

=0A=

Did I miss something in the RFC.

=0A=

Regards

=0A=

Asaf Henig

=0A=

MRV communications.  =0A=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C710A6.43C069FB-- --===============0139775663== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============0139775663==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Mon Nov 27 00:57:25 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GoZQZ-00079k-1M; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:53:15 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GoZQX-00077p-Eo for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:53:13 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GoZQV-0005AL-WA for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Nov 2006 00:53:13 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id h2so2075268nfe for ; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:53:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=PWl3PFTpewJ+1fwfXUoDI7hSRXcV899idXBH/+o22CDwiVGx4rzMbvrvJ5KMMRkI89XFxXGzdqvNkuNJhjvmEDWJ6sa2pAr5Zpu2QTVTBpWDjNbvQzNJOXjcrdJ38jLu/qTVHB8wq9RTxCrSh0kAHTKI4TirDRORRr/AwzgpzDY= Received: by 10.78.157.8 with SMTP id f8mr12958888hue.1164606790801; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.123.1 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:53:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:23:10 +0530 From: "shilpa goel" To: mpls@uu.net, mpls-ops@mplsrc.com, mpls@lists.ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5ebbf074524e58e662bc8209a6235027 Cc: Subject: [mpls] RSVP: reservation styles doubt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0486977824==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --===============0486977824== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17330_22903032.1164606790499" ------=_Part_17330_22903032.1164606790499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, Please help in clarifying 2 doubts wrt RFC 2205 (RSVP). a) In the Fixed filter (FF) Reservation style example as explained in Section 1.4, Page 16, Figure 6, the problems in understanding are: 1. In the Reserves at the interface "d" how come we have merged the different request for S1 (3B) by receiver R2 and the request S1 (B) by receiver R3 when we are using the FF style? 2. While sending the reservation request upstream we have again merged the reservation for sender S1 on interface "a" for different receivers. This is not clear. b) In the Shared Explicit (SE) style as I understand, the scope of the explicit senders in the reservation requests traveling upstream is changed i.e. the senders are merged giving the maximum of the reservation required in the upstream direction. With respect to this, in the example explained in Figure 7, Page 17, how reservation is done at the router for different explicit senders at the interface "d" is not clear. Also how the reservation requests traveling upstream have changed the scope of senders and modified flowspec is not clear. thanks and regards, Shilpa - ------=_Part_17330_22903032.1164606790499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi,

  Please help in clarifying 2 doubts wrt RFC 2205 (RSVP).

a) In the Fixed filter (FF) Reservation style example as explained in Section 1.4, Page 16, Figure 6, the problems in understanding are:

  1. In the Reserves at the interface "d" how come we have merged the different request for S1 (3B) by receiver R2 and the request S1 (B) by receiver R3 when we are using the FF style?

  2. While sending the reservation request upstream we have again merged the reservation for sender S1 on interface "a" for different receivers. This is not clear.

b) In the Shared Explicit (SE) style as I understand, the scope of the explicit senders in the reservation requests traveling upstream is changed i.e. the senders are merged giving the maximum of the reservation required in the upstream direction.

With respect to this, in the example explained in Figure 7, Page 17,  how reservation is done at the router for different explicit senders at the interface "d" is not clear. Also how the reservation requests traveling upstream have changed the scope of senders and modified flowspec is not clear.

thanks and regards,
Shilpa



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<6D26D1FE43A66F439F8109CDD424196511EF0C@INEXC1U01.in.lucent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Comment on draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-upstream-00.txt Thread-Index: AccTm4hMj/UdgXoaTmCBJJ/1wruOSAAAHyaw From: "V, Muthu Krishnan \(Muthu\)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 09:56:24.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[A17FC640:01C7139C] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.39 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9e5c23589e6cce06555030c0194c9e2b Cc: Subject: [mpls] Comment on draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-upstream-00.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1137775679==" Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1137775679== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7139C.A163271E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7139C.A163271E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 In section 3 of the draft, "draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-upstream-00.txt", it is mentioned:=20 =20 "The usage of RSVP-TE Hello messages for exchanging upstream label assignment capability implies that a LSR MAY exchange RSVP-TE Hellos with a neighbor before sending/receiving any other RSVP-TE messages to/from that neighbor." =20 * This paragraph seems to imply that a RSVP neighbor discovery mechanism is required. Is there any known mechanism for RSVP neighbor discovery for exchanging Hellos? RFC3209 does not explicitly mention any neighbor discovery mechanism. =20 Thanks, Muthu Lucent Technologies, Safina Towers, Millers Road, Bangalore - 560052, India. E-mail: muthukrishna@lucent.com =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7139C.A163271E Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

   In = section 3 of the draft, "draft-ietf-mpls-rsvp-upstream-00.txt", it is mentioned: =

 

  "The usage of RSVP-TE Hello messages for exchanging upstream = label

   assignment capability implies that a LSR = MAY exchange RSVP-TE = Hellos

   with a neighbor before sending/receiving = any other RSVP-TE = messages

   to/from that = neighbor."

 

ð      = This paragraph seems to imply that a RSVP neighbor discovery mechanism is required. Is there any known mechanism = for RSVP neighbor discovery for exchanging = Hellos? RFC3209 does not explicitly mention any neighbor discovery = mechanism.

 

Thanks,

Muthu

Lucent Technologies,
Safina Towers,
Millers Road,
Bangalore – 560052,
India.
E-mail: muthukrishna@lucent.com

 

 

 

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My question is it locally unique between two nodes or globally unique identifcation A----B-----C------E \ / D For example two LSPs are set up from A to E via the same tunnel. i.e. the have same end points and same path ABDE. Will the 5 tuple uniquely identify any LSP across any two nodes e.g. B and D? Will the values remain same for this LSP across two other nodes in the path e.g. C and E? Thanks in advance AN ------=_Part_11900_11364518.1164812210444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi

I have read that the 5-tuple {tunnel-endpoint address,tunnel-ID, extended tunnel-ID, sender address, and LSP ID} can uniquely identify an LSP. My question is it locally unique between two nodes or globally unique identifcation

A----B-----C------E
       \     /
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For example two LSPs are set up from A to E via the same tunnel. i.e. the have same end points and same path ABDE. Will the 5 tuple uniquely identify any LSP across any two nodes e.g. B and D? Will the values remain same for this LSP across two other nodes in the path e.g. C and E?

Thanks in advance
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------=_Part_11900_11364518.1164812210444-- --===============1946076818== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls --===============1946076818==-- From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 29 10:52:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpRhw-0001cg-Gu; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:50:48 -0500 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpRhh-0001Av-3Q for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:50:33 -0500 Received: from ns3.neustar.com ([156.154.24.138]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpRhg-0001GV-Pc for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:50:33 -0500 Received: from stiedprstage1.ietf.org (stiedprstage1.va.neustar.com [10.31.47.10]) by ns3.neustar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9E7175AF; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ietf by stiedprstage1.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GpRhB-00018H-VY; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:50:01 -0500 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:50:01 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org Subject: [mpls] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group of the IETF. Title : Point-to-Multipoint Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) Management Information Base (MIB) module Author(s) : A. Farrel, et al. Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-01.txt Pages : 47 Date : 2006-11-29 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes managed objects for point-to-multipoint Multiprotocol Label Switching-based traffic engineering. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-01.txt To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your subscription settings. 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Adrian === General s/rewg/REWG/ s/pswg/PSWG/ Typos === Section 1, para 2 OLD They should not be extended or varied without IETF review, and that should preferably only be extended within the IETF process. NEW These protocols should not be extended or varied without IETF review, and they should only be extended within the IETF process. === Section 1, para 3 ADD The IETF's formal standards process is defined in [RFC2026] and [RFC2418], and is not changed by this document. === Section 2.2 OLD Other working groups, e.g., the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) working group, also use the (G)MPLS protocols and mechanisms. When any of these working groups needs to extend or change the (G)MPLS protocols the procedures specified in this document are applicable. NEW Other working groups, e.g., the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) working group, also use the (G)MPLS protocols and mechanisms. When any of these working groups needs to extend or change the (G)MPLS protocols the procedures specified in this document are applicable. Some of those working groups (again, for example, the BFD working group) are already chartered for requirements evaluation and protocol specification, and can fit into the procedures in those roles. === Section 2.3 s/formal or less formal/formal or informal/ === Section 2.3, para 2 OLD If any organization outside the IETF has a requirement, or believes it may have a requirement, for extensions or modifications to the (G)MPLS protocols then the procedures in this document apply. NEW If any organization outside the IETF has a requirement for extensions or modifications to the (G)MPLS protocols then the procedures in this document apply. === Section 2.4, bullet 1 OLD For the purpose of extending and changing any protocols specified in Experimental, Informational, or BCP RFCs developed by the (G)MPLS working groups, those protocols are considered to be part of the (G)MPLS protocols. NEW For the purpose of extending and changing any protocols specified in any specification developed by the (G)MPLS working groups, those protocols are considered to be part of the (G)MPLS protocols. === Section 3, para 3 OLD Whenever any extension or change to the (G)MPLS protocols is desired, a requirements statement must be produced and must be submitted to IETF as an Internet-Draft. As described in [RFC4052], when the requirements come from an external organization informal communications such as e-mail to working group mailing lists often facilitates cooperative work. However, if desired, the Internet-Draft containing the requirement may be submitted to the working group using a liaison statement. That way, the IETF's response to the request will be given as the reply to the liaison, with no risk of confusing an individual participant's opinion for that of the group as can happen on mailing lists. NEW Whenever any extension or change to the (G)MPLS protocols is desired, a problem statement and/or requirements statement must be produced and must be submitted to IETF as an Internet-Draft. As described in [RFC4052], when the requirements come from an external organization informal communications such as e-mail to working group mailing lists often facilitates cooperative work. However, if desired, the Internet-Draft containing the requirement may be submitted to the working group using a liaison statement. That way, the IETF's response to the request will be given as the reply to the liaison, with no risk of confusing an individual participant's opinion for that of the group as can happen on mailing lists. === Section 3, para 4, convert to bullets === Section 4.1, figure 1 s/ACK/YES/ s/NAK/NO/ === Section 4.2.2, para 4 OLD If the requirements statement I-D is brought to the IETF through a formal liaison, the IETF MUST respond using one of the following answers in a formal liaison reply: NEW If the requirements statement I-D is brought to the IETF through a formal liaison, the working group chairs, ADs or their delegates MUST respond using one of the following answers in a formal liaison reply. If a formal liaison was not used the response SHOULD be delivered using one of the following answers in an email copied to the appropriate mailing lists. === Section 4.2.3, title s/4.2.3 Chartering the Rewg/4.2.3 Chartering or Rechartering the REWG/ === Section 4.2.3 OLD If a new charter item is required, the Routing Area Directors with assistance from working group chairs MUST apply to the IESG and IAB for a modification of an existing working group's charter or for the creation of a new working group. If the IESG approves the charter, the requirements statement I-D is passed to the rewg for evaluation. If the charter change is not approved, the IESG MUST respond to the requirements statement I-D and, if the requirements were introduced through a formal liaison from another SDO, the IESG MUST send a liaison response using the options described in Section 5, although the IESG MAY delegate such responses. NEW If a new charter item is required for an existing working group, the Routing Area Directors with assistance from working group chairs MUST apply to the IESG and IAB for a modification of an existing working group's charter or for the creation of a new working group. If the IESG approves the charter, the requirements statement I-D is passed to the REWG for evaluation. If the charter change is not approved, the IESG MUST respond to the requirements statement I-D and, if the requirements were introduced through a formal liaison from another SDO, the IESG MUST send a liaison response using the options described in Section 5, although the IESG MAY delegate such responses. Under unusual circumstances the Routing Area Directors MAY decide to charter a new working group to act as the REWG. In this case, the ADs are responsible for drafting the charter of the new working group and MUST follow the procedures set out in the previous paragraph. === Section 4.7, para 2 OLD but the pswg MUST consider such an I-D as a possible solution I-D. NEW but the PSWG MUST consider such an I-D for review and revision as a possible solution I-D. === Section 5.1, bullet 1 OLD - Requirements not understood. At the early stage of evaluation of the requirements statement I-D before the rewg has been tasked with performing a full evaluation and completing the requirements statement I-D or during the optional preliminary investigation it is not clear what the requirements are for or what the problem being addressed is. NEW - Requirements not understood. Either during preliminary investigation or during evaluation of the requirements statement I-D, it wasn't clear what the requirements are, or what the problem being addressed is. === Section 5.1, bullet 3 s/IETF/REWG/ === Section 5.1, bullet 4 OLD In this case, the IETF MUST grant the authors of the requirements statement I-D permission to work on a solution. The solution SHALL be presented to the IETF for review and possible publication as an Informational or Experimental RFC, and the IETF SHALL NOT block applications to IANA for codepoints NEW In this case, the IETF MUST NOT restrict the authors of the requirements statement I-D from working on a solution. The solution SHALL be presented to the IETF for review and possible publication as an Informational or Experimental RFC, and the IETF SHALL NOT block applications to IANA for codepoints. === Section 5.1, bullet 5 s/Insufficient support for the work./Insufficient support for the work from the original requesters./ === Section 5.2, title s/5.2 Actions Upon Rejection/5.2 Actions Required When Rejecting Requirements Statement I-Ds/ === Section 5.2, para 1 s/SHOULD/MUST/ === Section 5.2, bullet 1 OLD - If the requirements are brought to the IETF as a preliminary investigation (see Section 4.2.1) through an email exchange then the response SHOULD be made as an email response and SHOULD be archived through an IETF email archive. NEW - If the requirements are brought to the IETF as a preliminary investigation (see Section 4.2.1) through an email exchange then the response MUST be made as an email response copied to an IETF mailing list so that it is automatically archived. === Section 5.2, bullet 3 s/SHOULD/MUST/ === New section 5.3 to point to the appeals process === Section 6, para 2 s/stopped/abandoned/ === New section 6.1 to point to the appeals process === Section 7, para 1 s/SHOULD NOT/MUST NOT/ === Section 9 Additional thankees === Section 11. Group all references into one section with two sub-sections === Section 11.1 Add RFC2026 and RFC2418 === Split Editors' Addresses out of Authors' Addresses === Change boilerplate to IETF Trust ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Change Process for Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and > Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) Protocols and Procedures > Author(s) : L. Andersson, A. Farrel > Filename : draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt > Pages : 23 > Date : 2006-11-29 > > The issues surrounding the extensibility of IETF protocols have been > widely debated. These issues include when it is reasonable to > extend IETF protocols with little or no review, and when extensions > or variations need to be reviewed by the larger IETF community. > Experience with IETF protocols has shown that extensibility of > protocols without early IETF review can cause problems. > > The Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) and Generalized MPLS (GMPLS) > suites of protocols have become popular for a number of applications > and deployment scenarios. One result of this popularity is a large > number of suggestions for modifications and extensions. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-andersson-rtg-gmpls-change-07.txt _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 29 12:28:11 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpTBi-0006ps-E5; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:25:38 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpTBg-0006Ym-9x for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:25:36 -0500 Received: from mail1.noc.data.net.uk ([80.68.34.48]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpTBe-0003kL-Vj for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:25:36 -0500 Received: from 57-99.dsl.data.net.uk ([80.68.57.99] helo=cortex.aria-networks.com) by mail1.noc.data.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1GpTBv-0002tZ-00 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:25:51 +0000 Received: from your029b8cecfe ([217.158.132.52] RDNS failed) by cortex.aria-networks.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:25:33 +0000 Message-ID: <30d401c713db$5c74ea00$0f849ed9@your029b8cecfe> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:25:20 -0000 Organization: Old Dog Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 17:25:33.0973 (UTC) FILETIME=[606ADC50:01C713DB] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Subject: [mpls] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-01.txt X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Hi, New in this revision are just: - Section 4.6 to show how the tables from this module and the other MPLS MIB modules are related. - Section 5 to show an example of how to use the MIB. Hopefully this will make the module easier for people to read and review. Other changes are just boilerplate and format. Adrian (per pro Tom and Seisho) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-01.txt >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working > Group of the IETF. > > Title : Point-to-Multipoint Multiprotocol Label > Switching (MPLS) Traffic Engineering (TE) > Management Information Base (MIB) module > Author(s) : A. Farrel, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-01.txt > Pages : 47 > Date : 2006-11-29 > > This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base > for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. > In particular, it describes managed objects for point-to-multipoint > Multiprotocol Label Switching-based traffic engineering. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-mpls-p2mp-te-mib-01.txt _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 29 13:56:40 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpUYF-0006zW-Rp; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpUYC-0006zE-S1 for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:56 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GpUYB-0001hQ-II for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:56 -0500 Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Nov 2006 10:52:54 -0800 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id kATIqsg4018223; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:54 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id kATIqsDM003866; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:54 -0500 Received: from swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com ([10.86.116.3]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:53 -0500 Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4516A352138; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:58 -0500 (EST) To: "Anergy Virt" Subject: Re: [mpls] Unique Identififcation of LSP In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:56:50 +0100." <6db800970611290656s8391eaeo74f49bdd6502d641@mail.gmail.com> From: George Swallow X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.3; nmh 1.1-RC3; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:52:58 -0500 Message-Id: <20061129185258.4516A352138@swallow-mini-mac.cisco.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2006 18:52:53.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[935D8020:01C713E7] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=986; t=1164826374; x=1165690374; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=swallow@cisco.com; z=From:=20George=20Swallow=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[mpls]=20Unique=20Identififcation=20of=20LSP=20 |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Anergy=20Virt=22=20; bh=6hiXxuFfHomk6ZljRk8e230VbhgzDg0v9eMzxHiyNYs=; b=YY+Zhrnly3Iq6SsJRYfCGX8/5lWjI6gbN2ktsorMM78JENlSLM5hYR4GVtzuzbnL6knTTHgs dY2q7GxkpiTFhZOxFrux49sbINv+jWRwsFbjg1SZ38Ej2/lKWGmiCsAV; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=swallow@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org > I have read that the 5-tuple {tunnel-endpoint address,tunnel-ID, extended > tunnel-ID, sender address, and LSP ID} can uniquely identify an LSP. My > question is it locally unique between two nodes or globally unique > identifcation > > A----B-----C------E > \ / > D > > For example two LSPs are set up from A to E via the same tunnel. i.e. the > have same end points and same path ABDE. Will the 5 tuple uniquely identify > any LSP across any two nodes e.g. B and D? Will the values remain same for > this LSP across two other nodes in the path e.g. C and E? Yes, provided that the extended tunnel ID is a globally unique id. (Normally this is set to the head-end's router ID). ...George ======================================================================== George Swallow Cisco Systems (978) 936-1398 1414 Massachusetts Avenue Boxborough, MA 01719 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org Thu Nov 30 03:43:31 2006 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GphRx-0005X6-Si; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:39:21 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GphRv-0005Wb-9M for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:39:19 -0500 Received: from smtp4.smtp.bt.com ([217.32.164.151]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GphRr-00011t-PB for mpls@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:39:19 -0500 Received: from i2kc08-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.71]) by smtp4.smtp.bt.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:39:14 +0000 Received: from i2km07-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net ([193.113.197.26]) by i2kc08-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:39:11 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [mpls] Unique Identififcation of LSP Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:39:11 -0000 Message-ID: <0536FC9B908BEC4597EE721BE6A3538919F2360F@i2km07-ukbr.domain1.systemhost.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [mpls] Unique Identififcation of LSP Thread-Index: AccT6BI4Pv8jd+ZESe2kwQWCU9gQTgAb4JRA From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2006 08:39:11.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[024FEB80:01C7145B] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-BeenThere: mpls@lists.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Multi-Protocol Label Switching WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: mpls-bounces@lists.ietf.org I believe we should add these observations: - this only applies to this particular signalling protocol; - it does not apply in the traffic data-plane. That is, one does not have such information here, just a single (20 bit) forwarding label that can be changed on each link connection and which is proxying for some distant LSP termination point. This has implications wrt identifying/distinguishing misconnectivity between LSPs..... noting that this can occur in both a horizontal sense (ie between LSPs created at the same level in a nested stack) and a vertical sense (ie between LSPs created at different levels in the stack).....be these generated by the same or different signalling protocols. regards, Neil > -----Original Message----- > From: George Swallow [mailto:swallow@cisco.com]=20 > Sent: 29 November 2006 18:53 > To: Anergy Virt > Cc: mpls@lists.ietf.org > Subject: Re: [mpls] Unique Identififcation of LSP=20 >=20 >=20 > > I have read that the 5-tuple {tunnel-endpoint address,tunnel-ID,=20 > > extended tunnel-ID, sender address, and LSP ID} can=20 > uniquely identify=20 > > an LSP. My question is it locally unique between two nodes=20 > or globally=20 > > unique identifcation > >=20 > > A----B-----C------E > > \ / > > D > >=20 > > For example two LSPs are set up from A to E via the same=20 > tunnel. i.e.=20 > > the have same end points and same path ABDE. Will the 5=20 > tuple uniquely=20 > > identify any LSP across any two nodes e.g. B and D? Will the values=20 > > remain same for this LSP across two other nodes in the path=20 > e.g. C and=20 > > E? >=20 > Yes, provided that the extended tunnel ID is a globally=20 > unique id. (Normally this is set to the head-end's router ID). >=20 > ...George >=20 > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > George Swallow Cisco Systems =20 > (978) 936-1398 > 1414 Massachusetts Avenue > Boxborough, MA 01719 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@lists.ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls >=20 _______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls From profile@evelkas.lt Thu Nov 30 09:15:10 2006 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpmgw-0001iU-7P for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:15:10 -0500 Received: from host137-186-static.39-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it ([85.39.186.137]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gpmgp-0003ND-DH for mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:15:10 -0500 Received: from PDUOM (unknown [122.133.39.185]) by evelkas.lt with ESMTP id 6448A4A6A852 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:15:29 +0100 (GMT) Message-ID: <000b01c71489$ec631520$00000000@gruppo5944c253> From: "last" To: mpls-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: program combines Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:15:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C71492.4E277D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bf422c85703d3d847fb014987125ac48 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C71492.4E277D20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C71492.4E277D20" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C71492.4E277D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out view profile search news all cnetthe web, today? 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