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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov >>>>> "Leif" == Leif Johansson writes: Leif> For this reason the precise interpretation of terms from Leif> [RFC2119] require some extra explanation. Leif> For instance an attribute marked as MUST in the information Leif> model MUST be implemented by all Kerberos implementations Leif> and MUST be included in an LDAP schema but MAY be marked as Leif> OPTIONAL in the LDAP schema. Any deviation from this general Leif> principle will be clearly described in the specification Leif> text The above seems like a reasonable thing. I'm not sure yet whether I agree with it. Leif> The terms MUST, MUST NOT, REQUIRED, SHALL, SHALL NOT mean Leif> that a Kerberos implementation MUST, MUST NOT etc implement Leif> a feature as described in this specification but does not Leif> imply that this feature must be REQUIRED by all data models Leif> implementing this information model. However this paragraph does not say something similar to the paragraph that comes next in your text (and that I transposed above). When you say that an attribute is required by a data model, in my mind that means that a data model must provide a way of representing the attribute, *not* that the objects of that data model must include the attribute. --Sam _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Sun Nov 8 21:39:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D48D3A6A99 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SHIcXv0f2I9r for ; 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08 Nov 2009 23:39:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.su.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B25C3BFC4; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:39:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp.su.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.su.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29897-01-53; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:39:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from [133.93.19.61] (host-19-61.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.19.61]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.su.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA41A3BF7F; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 06:39:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AF7AAFD.6080309@mnt.se> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:39:09 +0100 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Hartman References: <4AF79C71.5060007@mnt.se> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at smtp.su.se X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] New text for section 3 X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sam Hartman wrote: >>>>>> "Leif" == Leif Johansson writes: > > > Leif> For this reason the precise interpretation of terms from > Leif> [RFC2119] require some extra explanation. > > Leif> For instance an attribute marked as MUST in the information > Leif> model MUST be implemented by all Kerberos implementations > Leif> and MUST be included in an LDAP schema but MAY be marked as > Leif> OPTIONAL in the LDAP schema. Any deviation from this general > Leif> principle will be clearly described in the specification > Leif> text > > The above seems like a reasonable thing. I'm not sure yet whether I > agree with it. Those two paragraphs don't appear in that order in the text I just sent to the email - this has me potentially confused wrt what you mean by "this paragraph" and "the paragraph that comes next in your text" below. > > Leif> The terms MUST, MUST NOT, REQUIRED, SHALL, SHALL NOT mean > Leif> that a Kerberos implementation MUST, MUST NOT etc implement > Leif> a feature as described in this specification but does not > Leif> imply that this feature must be REQUIRED by all data models > Leif> implementing this information model. > > However this paragraph does not say something similar to the paragraph > that comes next in your text (and that I transposed above). When you > say that an attribute is required by a data model, in my mind that > means that a data model must provide a way of representing the > attribute, *not* that the objects of that data model must include the > attribute. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkr3qv0ACgkQ8Jx8FtbMZneeWwCfT0xkCAe332LfpLrcxbiYYRMx NaYAoJ++ThQWrDlcvEBBUj74fnPlLrSW =vdjq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Sun Nov 8 22:55:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2403A69A5 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:55:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.874 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.874 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.725, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6MVirv3iui-M for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov We are in need of a volunteer to take minutes for the krb-wg meeting this Wednesday afternoon. Neither Larry nor I will be at the meeting, so Shawn Emery has agreed to chair the session, but the meeting cannot proceed without someone to take minutes. If you will be at the meeting and are able to take notes, please let me know ASAP. Don't assume someone else will do it! Really, this HAS to be resolved before the meeting starts. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Mon Nov 9 20:37:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94A83A6938 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.603 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.603 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.996, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGyqyqspSILc for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1433A6915 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6007B; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:38:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB3C73; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:38:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F00280E33; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:38:01 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF6280E30 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:37:59 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 7BCB473; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:37:59 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FA874 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:37:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7272873 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:37:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2027CC05D; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:37:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04851-02; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:37:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F2A7CC059 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:37:58 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMBADN9+EqAAtnFmWdsb2JhbACbfAEBAQEBCAsKBxOxWYVziE6CP4F/BIwL X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,713,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33335904" Received: from smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.197]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2009 22:37:57 -0600 Received: from [10.0.0.3] (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAA4bslp010422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:37:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:37:54 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Nicolas Williams , Sam Hartman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> References: <4AE75E65.3040105@symas.com> <20091028183425.GU1105@Sun.COM> <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.197 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , jhutz@cmu.edu, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:02:01 AM -0500 Nicolas Williams wrote: > Sam, I don't quite agree. As an administrator I'd like to be able to > set policy for which entypes the KDC will access in pre-auth (including > PA-TGS-REQ) and which enctypes the KDC will accept for Ticket session > keys and Ticket encryption keys. I'd be happy to do so via explicit > lists or via lists constructed from rules ("no weak enctypes", "only AES > enctypes", ...). As someone who actually administers a production Kerberos realm, there are in fact three policies I want to be able to set: (1) enctypes used when setting passwords for users (2) enctypes used when keying services (3) "weak" enctypes which must never be used Generally (1) and (2) will be the same, but in practice they seem to change at different times. Enforcement of (3) is done primarily at the KDC, but must unfortunately also be done in clients and services, particularly those which handle initial authentication using long-term keys derived from passwords. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Mon Nov 9 21:49:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EC73A6936 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:49:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.764 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.764 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.835, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZ+hTQfxF5-M for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA713A6905 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D0A76; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C83171; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E07B80E33; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:48 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F95180E30 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:47 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 5095571; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:47 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBEA72 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4401F71 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FCB7CC05D; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09354-07; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A707CC059 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:46 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwEANaN+ErBCvxC/2dsb2JhbACcZr9ahD4EgWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,714,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33337106" Received: from backup-server.nordu.net ([193.10.252.66]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 09 Nov 2009 23:49:45 -0600 Received: from [133.93.19.61] (host-19-61.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.19.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by backup-server.nordu.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAA5nfC8011206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:49:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AF8FEF7.6020408@mnt.se> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:49:43 +0100 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Subject: [Ietf-krb-wg] enctypes take 2 - consensus call X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I talked this over with Sam yesterday and our suggestion is that we keep the attribute as it is and make its semantics more explicit by stating that it is used for explicitly limiting to the listed enctypes in _all_ cases where keys are used in kerberos. In other words the attribute represents the most basic form of a policy for enctypes. If you want something more complex such as allow/deny semantics or such things then you define a policy object (which the text already sais basically). Apart from the we propose adding text to the KeySet object saying that in addition to the policy attribute the presence of a key with a certain enctype in a keyset implies that the server supports that enctype for the given principal. Does that sound like something we can reach consensus around? Cheers Leif -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkr4/vcACgkQ8Jx8FtbMZndjdgCcDpVbnAetZd0wqtNEBBw55cF/ ghsAoLd0WdWFxQ+L6IRcBLQpGftHZyCf =M4Ib -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 07:59:47 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6891E28C162 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:59:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.289 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.289 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g6rJYiSUzi3b for ; 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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:59:33 GMT Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by dm-central-01.central.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id nAAFxWkT000607 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAAFlxeW012312; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:47:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id nAAFlwXC012311; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:47:58 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:47:58 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Jeffrey Hutzelman Message-ID: <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091028183425.GU1105@Sun.COM> <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , Sam Hartman , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:37:54PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:02:01 AM -0500 Nicolas Williams > wrote: > > >Sam, I don't quite agree. As an administrator I'd like to be able to > >set policy for which entypes the KDC will access in pre-auth (including > >PA-TGS-REQ) and which enctypes the KDC will accept for Ticket session > >keys and Ticket encryption keys. I'd be happy to do so via explicit > >lists or via lists constructed from rules ("no weak enctypes", "only AES > >enctypes", ...). > > As someone who actually administers a production Kerberos realm, there are > in fact three policies I want to be able to set: > > (1) enctypes used when setting passwords for users > (2) enctypes used when keying services > (3) "weak" enctypes which must never be used > > Generally (1) and (2) will be the same, but in practice they seem to change > at different times. You should want to control enctypes accepted/used. But why should you want to control enctypes available? For password-derived keys the only reason that I see is: to avoid off-line dictionary attacks should the KDB be compromised... but you have such much bigger problems in that case that I don't think that's a problem. User principals should get "all enctypes supported by the KDC software", and service principals should get "all enctypes supported by the software running that principal's service". Actual enctype usage policies should apply in the AS, TGS and AP exchanges, not during key maintenance. > Enforcement of (3) is done primarily at the KDC, but must unfortunately > also be done in clients and services, particularly those which handle > initial authentication using long-term keys derived from passwords. Yes. And if denying a service keys for weak enctypes helps, great (though the same won't work for user principals, since they don't carry their keys and don't know the enctypes for which they have keys). But I think you'll need configuration, or better, obsolescence, to get rid of weak enctypes. Nico -- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 09:13:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0528E28C1FD for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:13:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.655 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.655 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.944, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1nP1sFFZRyMC for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4203C28C1FE for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9171680; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3950D7F; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B24080E33; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:52 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022D080E32 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id E6BDE41; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F5A79 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CFF41 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C151C7CC056; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19263-02; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910A97CC059 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArACAGMu+UqAAtnFgWdsb2JhbACcAwEBFiSzPAWGLYhOgj8agWUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,717,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33366755" Received: from smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.197]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 11:13:50 -0600 Received: from atlantis-home.pc.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAAHDmjG027105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:13:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:13:48 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Nicolas Williams Message-ID: <8E169C6C4B4DE390A76EC100@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091028183425.GU1105@Sun.COM> <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.197 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , jhutz@cmu.edu, Sam Hartman , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 09:47:58 AM -0600 Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:37:54PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: >> --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:02:01 AM -0500 Nicolas Williams >> wrote: >> >> > Sam, I don't quite agree. As an administrator I'd like to be able to >> > set policy for which entypes the KDC will access in pre-auth (including >> > PA-TGS-REQ) and which enctypes the KDC will accept for Ticket session >> > keys and Ticket encryption keys. I'd be happy to do so via explicit >> > lists or via lists constructed from rules ("no weak enctypes", "only >> > AES enctypes", ...). >> >> As someone who actually administers a production Kerberos realm, there >> are in fact three policies I want to be able to set: >> >> (1) enctypes used when setting passwords for users >> (2) enctypes used when keying services >> (3) "weak" enctypes which must never be used >> >> Generally (1) and (2) will be the same, but in practice they seem to >> change at different times. > > You should want to control enctypes accepted/used. But why should you > want to control enctypes available? For password-derived keys the only > reason that I see is: to avoid off-line dictionary attacks should the > KDB be compromised... but you have such much bigger problems in that > case that I don't think that's a problem. > > User principals should get "all enctypes supported by the KDC software", Says you. In practice, this is even usually true. But not always. Furthermore, for users (i.e. things with passwords), configuration includes not just enctypes but salt strings and string-to-key parameters. Does this enctype need a v4- or v5-salted key or both? Does it need a key prepared with AFS's alternate DES string-to-key algorithm? How many PRF iterations should be used in deriving an AES key? Further, in real life most of us like to test new functionality in a controlled way before exposing our users to it. For new enctypes, that includes deploying a KDC supporting a new enctype but only configuring a small set of users and services to use it. > and service principals should get "all enctypes supported by the > software running that principal's service". In practice, the way that's done is that nearly all services in a realm run similar software and support the same enctypes, and the mechanisms that key services know what those are and apply the same rules to all services. Of course, there are always a few exceptions, which must be configured explicitly. > Actual enctype usage policies should apply in the AS, TGS and AP > exchanges, not during key maintenance. Yes, but it turns out that those policies are simple: (1) Never use prohibited "weak" enctypes That's it. Everything else is part of the protocol, or obvious: - Don't use a reply key enctype not supported by the client. - Don't use long-term keys not in the KDB. - Don't issue tickets with a session key not supported by the client, or not in the list of enctypes the service is known to support. Policy about what service key enctypes should be accepted by a service are implicit in the set of keys the service has. This applies even when the service is the TGS, though in several implementations the TGS actually uses the KDB as its key store, so something extra is required if one wants the set of keys available to TGS-as-service to be different from the set available to the KDC. >> Enforcement of (3) is done primarily at the KDC, but must unfortunately >> also be done in clients and services, particularly those which handle >> initial authentication using long-term keys derived from passwords. > > Yes. And if denying a service keys for weak enctypes helps, great > (though the same won't work for user principals, since they don't carry > their keys and don't know the enctypes for which they have keys). But I > think you'll need configuration, or better, obsolescence, to get rid of > weak enctypes. The point of a prohibited-enctypes policy is to disable use of enctypes that are considered so weak that accepting them would compromise security. Of course, prohibiting use of an enctype in this way will cause operational problems if it has not first been removed from use. But as you note, that takes actual work, at least some of which is outside the scope of this discussion. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 09:32:44 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756273A6B3B for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:32:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.58 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.58 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UKoKa-SqIGoo for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5240F3A685E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACDC81; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA3B41; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9764680E33; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:09 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734B580E32 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 6C6C241; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:08 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CEF80 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4177F for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEB07CC059; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25390-07-10; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0D47CC05E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:33:06 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcAANcy+UqAlYtpkWdsb2JhbACcAwEBAQEJCwoHEwWzO459gj8agWUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,717,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33368179" Received: from smtp.jpl.nasa.gov (HELO mail.jpl.nasa.gov) ([128.149.139.105]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 11:33:01 -0600 Received: from mprox1.jpl.nasa.gov (mprox1.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.140]) by smtp.jpl.nasa.gov (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nAAHX0ro010053; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:33:00 -0800 Received: from laphotz.jpl.nasa.gov (laphotz.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.133.44]) by mprox1.jpl.nasa.gov (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id nAAHWw1t005197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:32:58 -0800 Message-Id: <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> From: "Henry B. Hotz" To: Nicolas Williams In-Reply-To: <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:32:58 -0800 References: <20091028183425.GU1105@Sun.COM> <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Source-IP: laphotz.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.133.44] X-Source-Sender: hotz@jpl.nasa.gov X-AUTH: Authorized X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" , Sam Hartman , Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Nov 10, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:37:54PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: >> --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:02:01 AM -0500 Nicolas Williams >> wrote: >> >>> Sam, I don't quite agree. As an administrator I'd like to be able >>> to >>> set policy for which entypes the KDC will access in pre-auth >>> (including >>> PA-TGS-REQ) and which enctypes the KDC will accept for Ticket >>> session >>> keys and Ticket encryption keys. I'd be happy to do so via explicit >>> lists or via lists constructed from rules ("no weak enctypes", >>> "only AES >>> enctypes", ...). >> >> As someone who actually administers a production Kerberos realm, >> there are >> in fact three policies I want to be able to set: >> >> (1) enctypes used when setting passwords for users >> (2) enctypes used when keying services >> (3) "weak" enctypes which must never be used >> >> Generally (1) and (2) will be the same, but in practice they seem >> to change >> at different times. > > You should want to control enctypes accepted/used. But why should you > want to control enctypes available? For password-derived keys the > only > reason that I see is: to avoid off-line dictionary attacks should the > KDB be compromised... but you have such much bigger problems in that > case that I don't think that's a problem. > > User principals should get "all enctypes supported by the KDC > software", > and service principals should get "all enctypes supported by the > software running that principal's service". > > Actual enctype usage policies should apply in the AS, TGS and AP > exchanges, not during key maintenance. If you're arguing that when a user sets a new password/key the main DB should store not-to-be-used enctypes for it, then I don't agree. For one thing, I don't see the advantage, and for another it seems like a really obvious way to guarantee there can't be code paths that might expose a weakness. ------------------------------------------------------ The opinions expressed in this message are mine, not those of Caltech, JPL, NASA, or the US Government. Henry.B.Hotz@jpl.nasa.gov, or hbhotz@oxy.edu _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 09:49:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB903A67E9 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:49:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.293 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.306, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6sp7ieb1txbU for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081293A680A for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:49:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7069C84; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAA47D; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE82880E33; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:22 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733E580E32 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 6389D41; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA8278 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5941641 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 411AB7CC056; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30559-05; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218AA7CC054 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:50:21 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYAAJc2+UrAEisYe2dsb2JhbACcBAEBCwsJCBMFs1OOfYI/GoFlBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,717,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33369304" Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.24]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 11:50:20 -0600 Received: from dm-central-02.central.sun.com ([129.147.62.5]) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id nAAHoIXe024814 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:50:18 GMT Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by dm-central-02.central.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id nAAHoIee001134 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:50:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAAHcglM012412; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id nAAHcfli012411; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:41 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:41 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: "Henry B. Hotz" Message-ID: <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" , Sam Hartman , Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:32:58AM -0800, Henry B. Hotz wrote: > If you're arguing that when a user sets a new password/key the main DB > should store not-to-be-used enctypes for it, then I don't agree. For > one thing, I don't see the advantage, and for another it seems like a > really obvious way to guarantee there can't be code paths that might > expose a weakness. I'm arguing against a separate knob for "what enctypes to create keys for". I'm certainly happy with a "don't ever use these enctypes" knob causing keys of those enctypes to never be created. Also, it's important for services to tell the KDC what enctypes they support, either via what keys they have enctypes for (the MIT way) or separately. And it's important for user password-derived keys to be derived by a realm service, because the enctypes supported by a client might not be all the enctypes that the user needs keys for. Nico -- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 10:13:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEC43A685E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.703 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.703 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.896, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50jCJ19wu8Eb for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2603A3A6847 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:13:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E377C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0833C70; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C646680E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:20 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D22780E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:19 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 2DBEC78; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:19 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E3E70 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21ECB78 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB00E7CC05C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06275-05; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86467CC059 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArACADY8+UqAAtnEgWdsb2JhbACcBAEBFiSzRAWGMohOgj8agWUE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,717,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33371064" Received: from smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.196]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 12:14:18 -0600 Received: from atlantis-home.pc.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAAIEFv3026544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:14:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:14:16 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Nicolas Williams , "Henry B. Hotz" Message-ID: <274B4EB90EC3B4AA80188A60@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.196 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , jhutz@cmu.edu, Sam Hartman , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:38:41 AM -0600 Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:32:58AM -0800, Henry B. Hotz wrote: >> If you're arguing that when a user sets a new password/key the main DB >> should store not-to-be-used enctypes for it, then I don't agree. For >> one thing, I don't see the advantage, and for another it seems like a >> really obvious way to guarantee there can't be code paths that might >> expose a weakness. > > I'm arguing against a separate knob for "what enctypes to create keys > for". As an operator, any KDC implementation I deploy will have that knob. I'm not convinced it necessarily needs to be represented in the kDC data model, but it definitely needs to exist. > Also, it's important for services to tell the KDC what enctypes they > support, either via what keys they have enctypes for (the MIT way) or > separately. And it's important for user password-derived keys to be > derived by a realm service, because the enctypes supported by a client > might not be all the enctypes that the user needs keys for. Agree with both of these points. The former pretty much requires representation in the KDC data model. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 10:28:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B3D3A6B72 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:28:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.296 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.296 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.303, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rlzR5xa+mU9R for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B78533A6B78 for ; 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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:28:49 GMT Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by dm-central-01.central.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id nAAISmtT060291 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:28:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAAIHGWg012577; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:17:16 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id nAAIHG3n012576; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:17:16 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:17:16 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Jeffrey Hutzelman Message-ID: <20091110181715.GX1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> <274B4EB90EC3B4AA80188A60@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <274B4EB90EC3B4AA80188A60@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , Sam Hartman , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:14:16PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:38:41 AM -0600 Nicolas Williams > wrote: > > >On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:32:58AM -0800, Henry B. Hotz wrote: > >>If you're arguing that when a user sets a new password/key the main DB > >>should store not-to-be-used enctypes for it, then I don't agree. For > >>one thing, I don't see the advantage, and for another it seems like a > >>really obvious way to guarantee there can't be code paths that might > >>expose a weakness. > > > >I'm arguing against a separate knob for "what enctypes to create keys > >for". > > As an operator, any KDC implementation I deploy will have that knob. I'm > not convinced it necessarily needs to be represented in the kDC data model, > but it definitely needs to exist. If it needs to exist then it should be in the model. IMO one can do without it. It does no harm, however, to have it. Nico -- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 10:37:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD0C3A6957 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:37:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.745 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.745 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.854, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ew4mE2UPQSWj for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5580D3A6918 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12FE7E; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E0270; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E4680E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:07 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C2880E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:05 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 4CE571A; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:05 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4840A70 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B871A for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6257CC060; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13134-08; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB7A7CC059 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:38:04 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMBAE5C+UqAAtnGmWdsb2JhbACcBgEBAQEBCAsKBxOzUQWGMYhOglmBZQQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,717,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33372524" Received: from smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.198]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 12:37:48 -0600 Received: from atlantis-home.pc.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAAIbkAx009449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:37:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:37:46 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Nicolas Williams Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20091110181715.GX1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> <274B4EB90EC3B4AA80188A60@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20091110181715.GX1105@Sun.COM> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , jhutz@cmu.edu, Sam Hartman , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:17:16 PM -0600 Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:14:16PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: >> --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:38:41 AM -0600 Nicolas Williams >> wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:32:58AM -0800, Henry B. Hotz wrote: >> >> If you're arguing that when a user sets a new password/key the main DB >> >> should store not-to-be-used enctypes for it, then I don't agree. For >> >> one thing, I don't see the advantage, and for another it seems like a >> >> really obvious way to guarantee there can't be code paths that might >> >> expose a weakness. >> > >> > I'm arguing against a separate knob for "what enctypes to create keys >> > for". >> >> As an operator, any KDC implementation I deploy will have that knob. >> I'm not convinced it necessarily needs to be represented in the kDC >> data model, but it definitely needs to exist. > > If it needs to exist then it should be in the model. Does it? Is it data or configuration? _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 10:57:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26DEC3A696D for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:57:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id es4J7VB6PiNa for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEA23A682C for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:17:16PM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:14:16PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > > As an operator, any KDC implementation I deploy will have that knob. I'm > > not convinced it necessarily needs to be represented in the kDC data model, > > but it definitely needs to exist. > > If it needs to exist then it should be in the model. > > IMO one can do without it. It does no harm, however, to have it. Let me re-state my case: enctype policy management needs to be _simple_. The set of enctype policy knobs in MIT krb5 is not exactly sysadmin- friendly. Let's not make the same mistakes now. The bare minimum enctype policy management knob set needs to be identified, and those knobs must be REQUIRED. All other knobs may be OPTIONAL, RECOMMENDED, or REQUIRED to implement, for all I care, but we must give guidance on how to use the minimal knob set to get the desired effect (namely, to constrain what enctypes are used). The minimal set of enctype policy knobs, IMO, is this: - What enctypes will be accepted or attempted. This covers: - Authenticator encryption enctype - Authenticator sub-session key enctypes - Ticket enc-part encryption key enctype (in AP-REQs and in additional-tickets field in KDC-REQ-BODY) - etype field from KDC-REQ-BODY - enc-authorization-data encryption key enctype This is a knob that should be supported on: - KDCs - services - clients and which applies even to the Kerberos V5 GSS-API mechanism. Default value: the set of all enc-types excluding 1DES enctypes. Alternative default value: AES enc-types only. - What enctypes will be excluded from all other enctype lists unconditionally (no mater what their given values). (i.e., a weak enctype exclusion knob.) This knob too should be available on KDCs, clients and servers. Default value: either empty, or, if we're ready to obsolete the 1DES enctypes, the set of 1DES enctypes. and, maybe, this: - What enctypes can be tried / will be accepted for bare (not FAST- protected) PA-ENC-TIMESTAMP. If not set then the previous knob provides a default. This knob is needed only on KDCs and clients. Default value: same as previous knob. So, two or three in the minimal enctype policy knobs set. If in addition to this you want knobs for specifying what enctypes long-term keys can be created for, that's fine. (Such a knob is needed only on password/key change services.) Nico -- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 11:12:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FA13A6B75 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:12:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.784 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.815, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ReFO8S97zUBC for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51243A69AB for ; 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charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:46:14 PM -0600 Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:17:16PM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 01:14:16PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: >> > As an operator, any KDC implementation I deploy will have that knob. >> > I'm not convinced it necessarily needs to be represented in the kDC >> > data model, but it definitely needs to exist. >> >> If it needs to exist then it should be in the model. >> >> IMO one can do without it. It does no harm, however, to have it. > > Let me re-state my case: enctype policy management needs to be _simple_. > The set of enctype policy knobs in MIT krb5 is not exactly sysadmin- > friendly. Let's not make the same mistakes now. Agreed. What I'm telling you is that as an operator, what I actually _use_ in a production realm is the ability to control what enctypes are used when keying principals (primarily so I can install software that supports a new enctype but not phase use of it in until I choose) and the ability to disallow the use of existing enctypes even when keys exist. In addition, I expect eventually to use a per-principal knob allowing me to restrict, for a small set of services, what enctypes are used when those services are rekeyed. I do this because I do not want the KDC to issue tickets with AES keys to a service that does not support AES, and we have several of those. > The minimal set of enctype policy knobs, IMO, is this: > > - What enctypes will be accepted or attempted. This covers: > > - Authenticator encryption enctype > - Authenticator sub-session key enctypes > - Ticket enc-part encryption key enctype (in AP-REQs and in > additional-tickets field in KDC-REQ-BODY) > - etype field from KDC-REQ-BODY > - enc-authorization-data encryption key enctype > > This is a knob that should be supported on: > > - KDCs > - services > - clients > > and which applies even to the Kerberos V5 GSS-API mechanism. > > Default value: the set of all enc-types excluding 1DES enctypes. > Alternative default value: AES enc-types only. IMHO the correct default here is to use any and all enctypes the software supports, minus those in the unconditional-exclude list, and let negotiation take care of the rest. This gets you maximum interoperability while allowing any party to declare a particular enctype too weak to use. I don't believe the third knob you describe is in the minimal set. In addition to the policy knobs you describe, the KDC must know what enctypes are actually supported by a service, since it must issue tickets which use an enctype the service can support. Traditionally this has been implied by the list of long-term keys the KDC has for that service, but today, there are common implementations/deployments in which services have passwords, not keys, and the KDC can derive a key for a service for any supporte enctype on demand. > So, two or three in the minimal enctype policy knobs set. > > If in addition to this you want knobs for specifying what enctypes > long-term keys can be created for, that's fine. (Such a knob is needed > only on password/key change services.) Yes, that is needed only on services that key principals. It is arguably part of the configuration of such a service, rather than part of the KDC data described by the model. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 11:15:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338B93A6858 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:15:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.819 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.819 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.780, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O625-8UjycWb for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D96C3A6847 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D91282; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0E871; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2631A80E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:57 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316D080E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:56 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 0E34371; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:56 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB3D7D for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAADE71 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EC77CC05E; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24025-09; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30187CC05C for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMBAINK+UqAAtnGmWdsb2JhbACcBgEBAQEBCAsKBxOzSIY7iE6CMxSBdwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,717,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33374968" Received: from smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.198]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 13:15:55 -0600 Received: from atlantis-home.pc.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAAJFh2v010313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:15:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:15:43 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9C30088742EFE2EAFB92FCF2@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> References: <9C30088742EFE2EAFB92FCF2@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] preliminary review of draft-ietf-krb-wg-preauth-framework-14.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov --On Sunday, August 30, 2009 03:25:03 PM -0400 Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > Has Tom verified that the pata registry contents in section 8.1 are > consistent with his current records? It's doubly important to get this > right since we are turning this registry over to IANA. I haven't received confirmation on this yet. > I need someone (preferably more than one someone) to verify that the > ASN.1 module in Appendix C actually compiles. Or on this. In addition, there are two minor editorial nits which have been previously raised but not fixed. One is an extraneous space in "PA-FX-FAST-REPLY" at the top of page 32, and the other is an extraneous line break in "PA-FX-CF2" in what is now section 6.4.6. Both of these can and will be fixed during editing. Otherwise, I believe all open issues on this document have been closed, and I will send it forward as soon as I receive confirmation from Tom that the padata registry initial contents are consistent with his records and an indication from someone that they have successfully compiled the ASN.1 module. -- Jeff _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 12:09:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438863A69F1 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:09:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.298, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ccMFPnWwdy6D for ; 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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:10:17 GMT Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by dm-central-01.central.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id nAAKAH2p007464 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:10:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAAJwh04012646; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:58:43 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id nAAJwh1q012645; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:58:43 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:58:43 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Jeffrey Hutzelman Message-ID: <20091110195842.GZ1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> <274B4EB90EC3B4AA80188A60@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20091110181715.GX1105@Sun.COM> <20091110184614.GY1105@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , Sam Hartman , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 02:12:12PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:46:14 PM -0600 Nicolas Williams > wrote: > >Let me re-state my case: enctype policy management needs to be _simple_. > >The set of enctype policy knobs in MIT krb5 is not exactly sysadmin- > >friendly. Let's not make the same mistakes now. > > Agreed. What I'm telling you is that as an operator, what I actually _use_ > in a production realm is the ability to control what enctypes are used when > keying principals (primarily so I can install software that supports a new > enctype but not phase use of it in until I choose) and the ability to That's not like the supported_enctypes option of the MIT kadmind, but like the -e argument to the MIT kadmin commands + the permitted_enctypes option to the MIT software on the KDC. > disallow the use of existing enctypes even when keys exist. In addition, I > expect eventually to use a per-principal knob allowing me to restrict, for > a small set of services, what enctypes are used when those services are > rekeyed. I do this because I do not want the KDC to issue tickets with AES > keys to a service that does not support AES, and we have several of those. Indeed, that is a highly desirable goal, but the set of enctypes supported by some service is known by that service, not by the KDC, and whatever you may store in the KDB about it can get out of dat when you upgrade the service's software. > >The minimal set of enctype policy knobs, IMO, is this: > > > > - What enctypes will be accepted or attempted. This covers: > > [...] > > > > Default value: the set of all enc-types excluding 1DES enctypes. > > Alternative default value: AES enc-types only. > > IMHO the correct default here is to use any and all enctypes the software > supports, minus those in the unconditional-exclude list, and let > negotiation take care of the rest. This gets you maximum interoperability > while allowing any party to declare a particular enctype too weak to use. Ah, yes, I'd meant to say that, but the way I edited my message I forgot to. > I don't believe the third knob you describe is in the minimal set. I'd be OK with it in that set though. > In addition to the policy knobs you describe, the KDC must know what > enctypes are actually supported by a service, since it must issue tickets > which use an enctype the service can support. Traditionally this has been > implied by the list of long-term keys the KDC has for that service, but > today, there are common implementations/deployments in which services have > passwords, not keys, and the KDC can derive a key for a service for any > supporte enctype on demand. Yes. > >So, two or three in the minimal enctype policy knobs set. > > > >If in addition to this you want knobs for specifying what enctypes > >long-term keys can be created for, that's fine. (Such a knob is needed > >only on password/key change services.) > > Yes, that is needed only on services that key principals. It is arguably > part of the configuration of such a service, rather than part of the KDC > data described by the model. Indeed, that is what I wrote. Nico -- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 17:30:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EE53A6A1F for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:30:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tCMbi5QK3Ftu for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C7E3A691F for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5133382; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:31:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF33880; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5ED80E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:54 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C58680E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:52 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 8D7517E; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:52 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1CC80 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842C67E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4037CC05C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06322-06; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2D67CC056 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:30:52 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0EACui+UpFGcQc/2dsb2JhbACBTs1bhlKIToQ8BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,719,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33393121" Received: from permutation-city.suchdamage.org (HELO mail.suchdamage.org) ([69.25.196.28]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 19:30:51 -0600 Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (host-17-186.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.17.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17125202FA; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 6FF59445C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:48 -0500 (EST) To: Nicolas Williams References: <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> <274B4EB90EC3B4AA80188A60@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20091110181715.GX1105@Sun.COM> <20091110184614.GY1105@Sun.COM> <20091110195842.GZ1105@Sun.COM> From: Sam Hartman Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20091110195842.GZ1105@Sun.COM> (Nicolas Williams's message of "Tue\, 10 Nov 2009 13\:58\:43 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, Sam Hartman , Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov I'm still not convinced that all this complexity is entirely needed. Remember that 6.1.1.13 provides an escape to a policy object. I'd like to look into the option of specifying something incredibly simple for the info model, with the understanding that anything more complex will be part of the policy system. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 17:39:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86E33A6BC2 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:39:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.304 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.304 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.295, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OO0AXk3AJBIM for ; 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Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:39:24 GMT Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (binky.Central.Sun.COM [129.153.128.104]) by dm-central-01.central.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL, v2.2) with ESMTP id nAB1dNef025920 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:39:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAB1Roln013218; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:27:50 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id nAB1Rn8d013217; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:27:49 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:27:49 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams To: Sam Hartman Message-ID: <20091111012749.GL1105@Sun.COM> References: <20091110154758.GO1105@Sun.COM> <233D0A11-316F-4C2A-ADC0-67772BB9FE95@jpl.nasa.gov> <20091110173841.GV1105@Sun.COM> <274B4EB90EC3B4AA80188A60@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20091110181715.GX1105@Sun.COM> <20091110184614.GY1105@Sun.COM> <20091110195842.GZ1105@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov, Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 08:30:48PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > I'm still not convinced that all this complexity is entirely needed. > Remember that 6.1.1.13 provides an escape to a policy object. I'd > like to look into the option of specifying something incredibly simple > for the info model, with the understanding that anything more complex > will be part of the policy system. One or two global enctype lists seems simple enough. One enctype list if we allow negation, else two. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 18:30:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAD528C27B for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:30:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.802 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.802 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.797, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0mgqa52ZPq9S for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB2A28C276 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB4382; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA33B89; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCFB80E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:43 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1910580E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 13C5682; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:41 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9E283 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E521382 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8327CC05C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13067-05; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48007CC056 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:30:40 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqkDADqw+UqAAtnEgWdsb2JhbACcDQEBFiSyPoZPiE6EPAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,720,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33394769" Received: from smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.196]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 20:30:40 -0600 Received: from MINBAR.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU (MINBAR.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp01.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAB2Udcx006029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:30:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:30:38 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Message-ID: <3DCE1E3C73D43DA2705B37D6@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.196 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: [Ietf-krb-wg] NEW LAST CALL: draft-ietf-krb-wg-cross-problem-statement-05.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov The cross-realm problem statement document previously passed last call in this working group and was forwarded to the IESG for consideration for publication as an informational RFC. During IETF last call, comments and additional input were received which resulted in substantial changes to the document. As a result, this note announces the start of a new three-week last call within the Kerberos Working Group on whether to send the revised document to the IESG. It is my belief that the last paragraph of the revised abstract (quoted below) attempts to turn what began as a problem statement document into a requirements document, and that we do not have consensus for this change. As a result, I have informed the authors that that paragraph will need to be removed when the document is revised to address last call comments. If anyone disagrees with this assessment, please let me know. Title: Problem statement on the cross-realm operation of Kerberos Filename: draft-ietf-krb-wg-cross-problem-statement-05.txt Intended Status: Informational The Kerberos protocol is today one of the most widely deployed authentication protocols in the Internet. In order for a Kerberos deployment to operate in a scalable manner, different Kerberos realms must interoperate in such a way that cross-realm operations can be performed efficiently and securely. This document provides background information regarding large scale Kerberos deployments in the industrial sector, with the aim of identifying issues in the current Kerberos cross-realm authentication model as defined in RFC4120. As industrial automation is moving towards wider adoption of Internet standards, the Kerberos authentication protocol represents one of the best alternatives for ensuring the confidentiality and the integrity of communications in control networks while meeting performance and security requirements. However, the use of Kerberos cross-realm operations in large scale industrial systems may introduce issues that could cause performance and reliability problems. This document describes some examples of actual large scale industrial systems, and lists requirements and restriction regarding authentication operations in such environments. The current document also identifies a number of requirements derived from the industrial automation field. Although they are found in the field of industrial automation, these requirements are general enough and are applicable to the problem of Kerberos cross-realm operations. These requirements need to be satisfied by proposed Kerberos cross- realm frameworks or architectures, as well as specific solutions that implement those frameworks or architectures. This last call will expire at 23:59 EDT on Nov 30, 2009. Note that this provides more than the usual amount of time for comments, due to the ongoing 76th IETF meeting in Hiroshima. Please review this document and send any comments to the Kerberos Working Group mailing list, , by that date. The file can be obtained via http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-krb-wg-cross-problem-statement-05 -- Jeffrey T. Hutzelman (N3NHS) Co-Chair, IETF Kerberos Working Group Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 19:10:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA3028C284 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:10:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GbIp6Bniq1xJ for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8E228C28E for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:09:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A18085; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F8E81; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id F318580E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:04 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5E280E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id C7FCB81; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C459582 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCBA81 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90777CC05C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16228-06; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A24D7CC056 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:10:03 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0EANa5+UpuBL2G/2dsb2JhbACBTtxEhDwEgmM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,720,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33395535" Received: from z189134.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp (HELO mama.tanu.org) ([110.4.189.134]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 21:10:02 -0600 Received: from [133.93.19.156] (host-19-156.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.19.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mama.tanu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 15DFB16B10 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:10:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4AFA2AF4.8040205@tanu.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:09:40 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov References: <3DCE1E3C73D43DA2705B37D6@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3DCE1E3C73D43DA2705B37D6@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] NEW LAST CALL: draft-ietf-krb-wg-cross-problem-statement-05.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov > It is my belief that the last paragraph of the revised abstract (quoted > below) attempts to turn what began as a problem statement document into > a requirements document, and that we do not have consensus for this > change. As a result, I have informed the authors that that paragraph > will need to be removed when the document is revised to address last > call comments. If anyone disagrees with this assessment, please let me > know. I agree with removing the last paragraph of the abstract. I want the document to stick into a statement document. Thank you, === Shoichi Sakane _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 20:24:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EDF3A6930 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:24:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.322 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.322 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.277, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sirKmm+mubG for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E103A67EB for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:24:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBACD83; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEA882; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6598C80E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:22 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEA580E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:20 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 9054C80; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:20 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B76082 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1A580 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550677CC05C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21314-03; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7507CC056 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:25:20 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmcAADrL+UrAEmIrlGdsb2JhbACcDQEBAQEJCwgJEwUpE4duqWMEBY8UgkERBYFlBIFrgzeGZQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,720,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33396774" Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 22:25:19 -0600 Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id nAB4PJ1J002411 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:25:19 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) id <0KSX00000FTGAU00@mail-amer.sun.com> for ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:25:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from host-19-253.meeting.ietf.org ([unknown] [133.93.19.253]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSX006EVGA5WI60@mail-amer.sun.com> for ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:25:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:25:17 -0700 From: "Shawn M. Emery" To: "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" Message-id: <4AFA3CAD.6020204@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Macintosh/20090812) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Subject: [Ietf-krb-wg] [Fwd: FW: WebEX Attendee Invitation: krb-wg at IETF 76] X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov String for URL should be: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=130168702&UID=0&PW=NODQ1OGIxZDU5&ORT=MiM0OQ%3D%3D -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Ietf-krb-wg] FW: WebEX Attendee Invitation: krb-wg at IETF 76 Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:46:00 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov -----Original Message----- From: Alexa Morris Date: Sunday, Nov 8, 2009 12:34 am Subject: WebEX Attendee Invitation: krb-wg at IETF 76 To: jhutz@cmu.edu, larry.zhu@microsoft.com >**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees **** > >Hello , > >IETF Secretariat invites you to attend this online meeting. > >Topic: krb-wg at IETF 76 >Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 >Time: 12:45 pm, Japan Time (Tokyo, GMT+09:00) >Meeting Number: 962 027 913 >Meeting Password: krb-wg > > >------------------------------------------------------- >To join the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!) >------------------------------------------------------- >1. 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If you do not consent to the recording, do not join the session. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 20:35:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101793A67AF for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:35:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4qS389VQ7peF for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9033A67A3 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47BD80; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A1788; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FA080E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:09 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC7E80E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:06 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id DEF8B82; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:06 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB66383 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D7082 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03467CC05C; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22153-06; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B427CC056 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:36:06 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0EAJPN+UpuBL2G/2dsb2JhbACBTtw0hDwEgmM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,720,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33396986" Received: from z189134.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp (HELO mama.tanu.org) ([110.4.189.134]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 22:36:05 -0600 Received: from [133.93.19.156] (host-19-156.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.19.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mama.tanu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0305D16A65 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:36:04 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4AFA3F1F.8080304@tanu.org> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:35:43 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov References: <3DCE1E3C73D43DA2705B37D6@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <3DCE1E3C73D43DA2705B37D6@minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] NEW LAST CALL: draft-ietf-krb-wg-cross-problem-statement-05.txt X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov I will modify the 05 version with the following minor fixes. I use OUT-IN style to express the differences for reviewers. In line 252 (section 2.1), from "consists on" to "consists of". OUT: request for a service ticket consists on a packet containing a TGT IN : request for a service ticket consists of a packet containing a TGT In line 351 (4th paragraph in section 3), from "each called" to "each on called". OUT: each called "cluster", are scattered in the area. IN : each one called "cluster", are scattered in the area. In line 360 (5th paragraph in section 3), OUT: Furthermore, to reduce power consumption (due explosion-proof requirements), the clock on the CPU may be lowered. IN : Furthermore, to reduce power consumption, the clock on the CPU may be lowered. This adjustment restricts the amount of total energy in the device, thereby reducing the risk of explosions. In line 368 (6th paragraph in section 3), OUT: travel time of data from a device to another device must be within 1 second at most. IN : travel time of data from a device to another device in the both examples must be within 1 second at most. === Shoichi Sakane _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 20:46:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65233A68C7 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:46:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.696, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xM8J69UzjW5C for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CA428C0DE for ; 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Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:47:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AFA41D0.7020703@mnt.se> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:47:12 +0100 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Hutzelman References: <4AE75E65.3040105@symas.com> <20091028183425.GU1105@Sun.COM> <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Howard Chu , Sam Hartman , ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > As someone who actually administers a production Kerberos realm, there > are in fact three policies I want to be able to set: > > (1) enctypes used when setting passwords for users > (2) enctypes used when keying services > (3) "weak" enctypes which must never be used > > Generally (1) and (2) will be the same, but in practice they seem to > change at different times. > I believe that we're approaching the policy object event horizon here and I think we should stick with the basic principle wrt policy in this spec which has been that its either really really simple or its arbitrarily complex and is a "policy object". Please review and commend Sams and my suggestion from yesterday! 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Leif Johansson writes: >> >> As someone who actually administers a production Kerberos realm, there >> are in fact three policies I want to be able to set: >> >> (1) enctypes used when setting passwords for users >> (2) enctypes used when keying services >> (3) "weak" enctypes which must never be used >> >> Generally (1) and (2) will be the same, but in practice they seem to >> change at different times. >> > > I believe that we're approaching the policy object event horizon here > and I think we should stick with the basic principle wrt policy in > this spec which has been that its either really really simple or its > arbitrarily complex and is a "policy object". I would like to see clarification of how we draw the line between what should be an attribute and what should be a policy object. I think that some aspects of controlling key selection, particularly session key selection, during ticket issuance are basic enough to not be counted as policy objects. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 21:56:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0393A6C1B for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:56:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oy5e9cYDIlB3 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:56:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2083A6820 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A9385; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F9783; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CF680E32; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:18 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD0180E31 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 4B7EE80; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AE882 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E6080 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE827CC056; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27076-04; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6FE7CC054 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AksAAILg+UoSBwdQkWdsb2JhbACcDAEBAQEJCwoHEwWxSYZXiE6EPAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,721,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33398236" Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu ([18.7.7.80]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 10 Nov 2009 23:57:16 -0600 Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id nAB5uvBV010614; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from cathode-dark-space.mit.edu (CATHODE-DARK-SPACE.MIT.EDU [18.18.1.96]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as tlyu@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id nAB5vIls006361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tlyu@localhost) by cathode-dark-space.mit.edu (8.12.9.20060308) id nAB5vAV9001358; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:57:10 -0500 (EST) To: Leif Johansson References: <4AF8FEF7.6020408@mnt.se> From: Tom Yu Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:57:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4AF8FEF7.6020408@mnt.se> (Leif Johansson's message of "Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:49:43 -0500") Message-ID: Lines: 30 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] enctypes take 2 - consensus call X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Leif Johansson writes: > I talked this over with Sam yesterday and our suggestion is that we > keep the attribute as it is and make its semantics more explicit by > stating that it is used for explicitly limiting to the listed enctypes > in _all_ cases where keys are used in kerberos. In other words the > attribute represents the most basic form of a policy for enctypes. That sounds reasonable to me, but I would like some clarifications. This is not limited to the selection of keys for ticket issuance? Does it also include things like the behavior of any KDC administration service in generating new long-term keys? Are policy objects, etc. allowed to override it? > If you want something more complex such as allow/deny semantics or > such things then you define a policy object (which the text already > sais basically). > > Apart from the we propose adding text to the KeySet object saying > that in addition to the policy attribute the presence of a key with > a certain enctype in a keyset implies that the server supports that > enctype for the given principal. This is consistent with the behavior of existing implementations, though I can see scenarios where you might want to have only one key for a service yet allow the KDC to issue session keys of several possible enctypes for that service. I suppose that sort of policy is implementable by using the principalAllowedEnctype attribute to augment the set of allowable session key enctypes for that service principal. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 22:16:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2320928C2AD for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:16:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.596, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9yBntHZ4SrJ for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B76C28C2BC for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C67A82; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490BC31; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C6480E32; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:41 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C560080E31 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id B7EF118; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31BC31 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCFA18 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B51F7CC059; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29477-07; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8EF7CC054 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:38 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAPbk+UrBCvxC/2dsb2JhbADdJYQ8BIFriic X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,721,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33398609" Received: from backup-server.nordu.net ([193.10.252.66]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2009 00:16:37 -0600 Received: from [133.93.19.61] (host-19-61.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.19.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by backup-server.nordu.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAB6GU12011860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:16:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AFA56BF.2040600@mnt.se> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:16:31 +0100 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Yu References: <4AF8FEF7.6020408@mnt.se> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] enctypes take 2 - consensus call X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tom Yu wrote: > Leif Johansson writes: > >> I talked this over with Sam yesterday and our suggestion is that we >> keep the attribute as it is and make its semantics more explicit by >> stating that it is used for explicitly limiting to the listed enctypes >> in _all_ cases where keys are used in kerberos. In other words the >> attribute represents the most basic form of a policy for enctypes. > > That sounds reasonable to me, but I would like some clarifications. > This is not limited to the selection of keys for ticket issuance? > Does it also include things like the behavior of any KDC > administration service in generating new long-term keys? Are policy > objects, etc. allowed to override it? The semantics would be that the attribute _if present_ limits *all* uses of enctypes for the principal. If you don't like the expressive power of this you do an extension of the info model or a policy object. > >> If you want something more complex such as allow/deny semantics or >> such things then you define a policy object (which the text already >> sais basically). >> >> Apart from the we propose adding text to the KeySet object saying >> that in addition to the policy attribute the presence of a key with >> a certain enctype in a keyset implies that the server supports that >> enctype for the given principal. > > This is consistent with the behavior of existing implementations, > though I can see scenarios where you might want to have only one key > for a service yet allow the KDC to issue session keys of several > possible enctypes for that service. I suppose that sort of policy is > implementable by using the principalAllowedEnctype attribute to > augment the set of allowable session key enctypes for that service > principal. Yes. As I said we're trying to find the 80/20 sweet spot for policy here (or maybe 90/10). Cheers Leif -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkr6VrwACgkQ8Jx8FtbMZneHbACdFYWh03IAfifs6tpaWc7Rh/h9 ANoAn12PNHkxaKK+DQ+uCaogCxlCCXib =ENlD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 10 22:42:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8DB28C2AE for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:42:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1c+aHopRclxl for ; 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11 Nov 2009 00:42:53 -0600 Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (host-17-186.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.17.186]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66F24201C9; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 97D43445C; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:42:51 -0500 (EST) To: Tom Yu References: <4AE75E65.3040105@symas.com> <20091028183425.GU1105@Sun.COM> <20091028204105.GA1105@Sun.COM> <1256767534.2808.196.camel@willson> <20091028221404.GO1105@Sun.COM> <1256770614.2808.199.camel@willson> <4AE8CE49.1070407@symas.com> <20091029160200.GP1105@Sun.COM> <4AFA41D0.7020703@mnt.se> From: Sam Hartman Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:42:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Tom Yu's message of "Wed\, 11 Nov 2009 00\:56\:19 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: Sam Hartman , "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" , Howard Chu , "jhutz@cmu.edu" Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] Supported enctypes needs its own thread (Re: Comments on informational model) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov >>>>> "Tom" == Tom Yu writes: Tom> I would like to see clarification of how we draw the line Tom> between what should be an attribute and what should be a Tom> policy object. I think that some aspects of controlling key Tom> selection, particularly session key selection, during ticket Tom> issuance are basic enough to not be counted as policy Tom> objects. Can you give examples here? The only thing I can think of that falls into this category is the set of enctypes the KDC assumes the server supports. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From krb-wg-archive@lists.ietf.org Wed Nov 11 01:57:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A4328C2CD for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:57:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -29.536 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.536 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.552, HTML_IMAGE_RATIO_02=0.383, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_FROM_DRUGS=1.666, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_SBL=20, URI_HEX=0.368, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F5EMMTKGp0XO for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from 89-201-171-123.dsl.optinet.hr (89-201-171-118.dsl.optinet.hr [89.201.171.118]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B6F28C171 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:57:20 -0800 (PST) From: VIAGRA (c) Official Retailer To: krb-wg-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: FYA: krb-wg-archive@lists.ietf.org 80% Cut Off on Pfizer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20091111095720.98B6F28C171@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:57:20 -0800 (PST) Newsletter
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From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Wed Nov 11 18:24:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 387533A6828 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m2H+GRIhV30e for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E18A3A67F2 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1D840; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:25:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731B938; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3517180E33; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:58 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7874580E30 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:57 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 6A8A437; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:57 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A3438 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD7B37 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4868E7CC05C; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01388-09; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277567CC056 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:24:57 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al0AAMsA+0qAlYttkWdsb2JhbACcFQEBAQEJCwoHEwXANoQ8BA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,726,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33448567" Received: from smtp.jpl.nasa.gov (HELO mail.jpl.nasa.gov) ([128.149.139.109]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2009 20:24:56 -0600 Received: from mprox1.jpl.nasa.gov (mprox1.jpl.nasa.gov [137.78.160.140]) by smtp.jpl.nasa.gov (Switch-3.4.1/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id nAC2OtES020059; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:55 -0800 Received: from laphotz.jpl.nasa.gov (laphotz.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.133.44]) by mprox1.jpl.nasa.gov (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id nAC2OqVD031027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:53 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Henry B. Hotz" To: Leif Johansson In-Reply-To: <4AFA56BF.2040600@mnt.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:24:52 -0800 References: <4AF8FEF7.6020408@mnt.se> <4AFA56BF.2040600@mnt.se> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Source-IP: laphotz.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.133.44] X-Source-Sender: hotz@jpl.nasa.gov X-AUTH: Authorized X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" , Tom Yu Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] enctypes take 2 - consensus call X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov On Nov 10, 2009, at 10:16 PM, Leif Johansson wrote: > Tom Yu wrote: >> Leif Johansson writes: >> >>> I talked this over with Sam yesterday and our suggestion is that we >>> keep the attribute as it is and make its semantics more explicit by >>> stating that it is used for explicitly limiting to the listed >>> enctypes >>> in _all_ cases where keys are used in kerberos. In other words the >>> attribute represents the most basic form of a policy for enctypes. >> >> That sounds reasonable to me, but I would like some clarifications. >> This is not limited to the selection of keys for ticket issuance? >> Does it also include things like the behavior of any KDC >> administration service in generating new long-term keys? Are policy >> objects, etc. allowed to override it? > > The semantics would be that the attribute _if present_ limits *all* > uses of enctypes for the principal. If you don't like the expressive > power of this you do an extension of the info model or a policy > object. This would allow you to specify a weak set of keys for a specific, obsolescent service without affecting anything else? Above is just a nit. I think I'm in favor. ------------------------------------------------------ The opinions expressed in this message are mine, not those of Caltech, JPL, NASA, or the US Government. Henry.B.Hotz@jpl.nasa.gov, or hbhotz@oxy.edu _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Wed Nov 11 19:23:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFD73A6870 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:23:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.913 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.913 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.686, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TBBNhyoS3lGp for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA843A6811 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFBA4F; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154F038; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB92580E33; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:02 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3B180E30 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id B3C9B37; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:00 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFC238 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A0537 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925DE7CC05C; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06080-09; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755F47CC056 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:24:00 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoFANoO+0rBCvxC/2dsb2JhbACdFL9VhDwEgWs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,726,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33449701" Received: from backup-server.nordu.net ([193.10.252.66]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2009 21:23:59 -0600 Received: from [133.93.19.61] (host-19-61.meeting.ietf.org [133.93.19.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by backup-server.nordu.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nAC3NoxO003880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:23:56 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4AFB7FC9.1000201@mnt.se> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:23:53 +0100 From: Leif Johansson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Henry B. Hotz" References: <4AF8FEF7.6020408@mnt.se> <4AFA56BF.2040600@mnt.se> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: "ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov" , Tom Yu Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] enctypes take 2 - consensus call X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > This would allow you to specify a weak set of keys for a specific, > obsolescent service without affecting anything else? Yes assuming the service had a separate principal. Cheers Leif -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkr7f8UACgkQ8Jx8FtbMZndn+gCgjFiLub5YSWDL/PFiL7Ar2585 K6sAoIRq45/iDnRjMCxfw6gxieoxQ0QZ =Mxqr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Wed Nov 11 21:26:56 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072AC28C16C for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.860, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qyp61US+Kc18 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2263328C0FC for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id F191A4E; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91E438; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A8E80E33; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:19 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D1680E30 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id AD7B737; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BD638 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B57B37 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762467CC05C; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16078-04; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586D77CC056 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkBAPoq+0qAAtnFmWdsb2JhbACcFAEBAQEBCAsKBxOwfoYTiE6CRYF3BIFr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,726,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33452414" Received: from smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.197]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2009 23:27:18 -0600 Received: from atlantis-home.pc.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp02.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAC5RENT018163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:27:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:27:14 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: saag@ietf.org, ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.197 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: [Ietf-krb-wg] KRB-WG session summary for IETF76 X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov DECISIONS (to be validated): ACTION ITEMS: - jhutz: send starttls to IESG - jimsch: validate ASN.1 module in preauth - tlyu: re-verify registry data in preauth - jhutz: send preauth to IESG - hartmans, lha: examine option for simpler anonymous PKINIT - leifj: revise data model SESSION SUMMARY: * Reviewed recent changes in document status: - STARTTLS is mostly ready to go to the IESG. The EKU/SAN issue is not fully resolved, but we've agreed to send the document as-is, with the issue called out in the PROTO writeup. Sam and/or Nico may re-raise the issue in IETF last call, where hopefully it will get some input from the PKIX community. - The preauth framework document is done and ready to go to the IESG. Before it can be sent, we need confirmation that the padata registry is correct (tlyu) and that the ASN.1 module compiles (jimsch). The chairs asked whether anyone was planning on implementing or had already done so, and got multiple positive responses. - Sam Hartman asked about the status of the DHCPv6 option draft. The author of that document, Shoichi Sakane indicated he hasn't had time to work on it recently due to dealing with comments on the cross-realm problem statement draft, but will get to it shortly after IETF. - Sam also asked about the status of anonymous, particularly with respect to Love's proposal for a simpler way to insure that, in an anonymous PKINIT transaction, both the client and KDC have contributed to the TGS session key. * Discussed two documents in last call: - The cross-realm problem statement document received comments during IETF last call which resulted in substantial revisions. A new WGLC has been started and will run until the end of November. Shoichi Sakane indicated he has some minor edits to -05 which he will post to the list during the last call. All participants are encouraged to review and comment on the new version before the last call ends. - The KDC data model document has recently concluded its third WGLC, and several comments were raised. Discussion is still ongoing on several of these; a new document version is expected shortly after discussion dies down. * Sam Hartman described a proposal for an extension to provide for protected negotiation of FAST by adding a typed-hole for protected data in the AS-REP. This technique was first used by Microsoft in Windows 2000 and seems to work. _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Wed Nov 11 21:38:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4F43A6992 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:38:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.769 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.769 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.830, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wRbjvF2mCnq for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7595B3A6947 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FCB4A; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id D067442; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id A403980E33; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:43 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274FF80E30 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:42 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 1865938; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:42 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1362942 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E35438 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2D17CC05C; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16786-06; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91EE7CC056 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:41 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhkBAH8u+0qAAtnGmWdsb2JhbACcFAEBAQEBCAsKBxOwboYSiE6CRYF3BIFr X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,726,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33452662" Received: from smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu ([128.2.217.198]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2009 23:38:41 -0600 Received: from atlantis-home.pc.cs.cmu.edu (SIRIUS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.216]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp03.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id nAC5ceaj019694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:38:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:38:40 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Message-ID: <6BB24E7F55787AA81905050C@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Scanned-By: mimedefang-cmuscs on 128.2.217.198 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: [Ietf-krb-wg] [saag] Kerberos Working Group Summary - IETF 76 (fwd) X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Thanks to Shawn Emery for acting as session chair, and for preparing the summary below, which complements the one I just posted. -- Jeff ------------ Forwarded Message ------------ Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 08:48:14 PM -0700 From: "Shawn M. Emery" To: saag@ietf.org Cc: Subject: [saag] Kerberos Working Group Summary - IETF 76 The kerberos-wg met Wednesday, 11/11/09, during the first afternoon session. Co-chairs: Larry Zhu and Jeffrey Hutzelman (acting, Shawn Emery) The goals of the meeting were to discuss the FAST negotiation issue and resolve encryption type semantics in the KDC data model. Sam Hartman presented issues with FAST negotiation. Need a way to determine if the KDC supports FAST and a way to negotiate the armor ticket securely. Solution entails supplying integrity check in the AS-REP on the server side, providing a new PA-type by the client, and new negotiation to thwart down grade attack. WG members agreed to the solution presented. Encryption type attribute in the data model needs better semantics. Suggestions include separting attribute and policy. Some members would like to include positive/negative support for these. 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From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Tue Nov 17 13:50:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D7D3A6B13 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:50:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.132 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.132 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S0X2Bz1op11U for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A783A6894 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A273F; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623B044; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E882CC05F; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:49 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5372C80E30 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:47 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 462F12B; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:47 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417AA36 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9002B for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C9A7CC05E; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26299-01; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090BC7CC059 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:50:47 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJOpAktFGcQc/2dsb2JhbADIMIZIiE+EOwQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,760,1249275600"; d="scan'208";a="33706601" Received: from permutation-city.suchdamage.org (HELO mail.suchdamage.org) ([69.25.196.28]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 17 Nov 2009 15:50:46 -0600 Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "laptop", Issuer "laptop" (not verified)) by mail.suchdamage.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B41520245; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 7D07C445C; Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:50:37 -0500 (EST) To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov From: Sam Hartman Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:50:37 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Cc: krbdev@mit.edu Subject: [Ietf-krb-wg] A couple of notes about the FAST negotiation proposal X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov At the working group meeting, I presented a proposal Larry made for FAST negotiation. As I've started to design an implementation of this proposal, I've run into a couple of things that don't work as well as one might hope. First, some KDCs (including MIT prior to 1.7 among others) will return KDC_ERR_PREAUTH_FAILED not KDC_ERR_PREAUTH_REQUIRED if you have a principal requiring pre-authentication and send a request that includes padata but for which all the padata types are unknown to the KDC. The work around is to try again without including the negotiation hint if you get PREAUTH_FAILED and if you otherwise would accept PREAUTH_REQUIRED. Naturally, if the ticket flag is set, you fail the request because the padata is not unknown. We should also require that KDCs implementing this extension completely ignore unknown padata. (I think the preauth framework already does this). The second issue surrounds cross-realm armor tickets. These can come up because you have a host key as an armor ticket and because a user from another realm is logging in. When Larry and I proposed the negotiation proposal, I think we assumed it would be an AS-REQ proposal. However to handle the TGS-REQ case you end up needing to figure out whether each successive KDC supports FAST. Note that here, we're talking about getting an armor ticket to be used in AS-REQ processing later, *not* the unrelated question of determining whether FAST can be used to protect a TGS request. Here's an example. alice@EXAMPLE.COM logs into a BOSTON.EXAMPLE.COM machine. Her machine has a BOSTON.EXAMPLE.COM armor ticket. It can use that to obtain a cross-realm ticket to use for FAST armor with the EXAMPLE.COM KDCS. I can see a couple of approaches: * Permit the form of negotiation I discussed last week for both AS and TGS * Use FAST to protect the negotiation. If FAST is used, you need to either: * use krbtgt/EXAMPLE.COM@EXAMPLE.COM not krbtgt/EXAMPLE.COM@BOSTON.EXAMPLE.COM as an armor ticket so you actually talk to the EXAMPLE.COM KDCs and can figure out what they support * Otherwise talk to the EXAMPLE.COM KDCs. Thoughts? _______________________________________________ ietf-krb-wg mailing list ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov https://lists.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ietf-krb-wg From ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Wed Nov 18 00:47:00 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-krb-wg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8F93A68B8 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:47:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.38 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_LWOILCO=1.13] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ynPVeMgRTuk for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FD93A691A for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09C12B; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from lists.anl.gov (katydid.it.anl.gov [146.137.96.32]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595AF2F; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from katydid.it.anl.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B27E80E31; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:44 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by lists.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CC880E30 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:42 -0600 (CST) Received: by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) id 5C1701D; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:42 -0600 (CST) Delivered-To: ietf-krb-wg@anl.gov Received: from mailhost.anl.gov (mailhost.anl.gov [130.202.113.50]) by localhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F6D29 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov (mailrelay.anl.gov [130.202.101.22]) by mailhost.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4467C1D for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.it.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCCD7CC05E; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailrelay.anl.gov ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailrelay.anl.gov [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01021-09; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailgateway.anl.gov (mailgateway.anl.gov [130.202.101.28]) by mailrelay.anl.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081C67CC059 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:46:41 -0600 (CST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj4FACBDA0tuBL2G/2dsb2JhbACBTYJ5lE+qVwGROoI3BoEnVwSBb4EDihI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,764,1249275600"; d="txt'?scan'208";a="33725076" Received: from z189134.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp (HELO mama.tanu.org) ([110.4.189.134]) by mailgateway.anl.gov with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2009 02:46:39 -0600 Received: from shoichi.tanu.org (120.145.221.202.bf.2iij.net [202.221.145.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mama.tanu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 59DF116AFF for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:46:38 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4B03B46D.4070103@tanu.org> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:46:37 +0900 From: Shoichi Sakane User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kerberos-wg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080204010408090509050906" X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at frigga.it.anl.gov Subject: Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] KRB-WG session summary for IETF76 X-BeenThere: ietf-krb-wg@lists.anl.gov X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is a list for the IETF Kerberos Working Group. {WORLDPUB, EXTERNAL}" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov Errors-To: ietf-krb-wg-bounces@lists.anl.gov This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080204010408090509050906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, > * Discussed two documents in last call: > - The cross-realm problem statement document received comments during > IETF last call which resulted in substantial revisions. A new WGLC > has been started and will run until the end of November. Shoichi > Sakane indicated he has some minor edits to -05 which he will post > to the list during the last call. All participants are encouraged > to review and comment on the new version before the last call ends. I attached new version (not submitted yet) to this mail for your review. This version is included the modifications which I presented by my previous mail before. Best regards, P.S. I sent it the day before yesterday. But, I can't see it in the archive of this ML. I apologize when you receive it twice. 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There are only a few minor issues. Are there any volunteers to double-check my work? I can give you a dump of database if you like. Missing, but we might not care: patype|42|pa-as-req|1510ter|complete AS-REQ in padata|| Missing, and we should probably include: tdtype|109|TD_DH_PARAMETERS|rfc4556 3.1.2||| tdtype|111|TD-CMS-DIGEST-ALGORITHMS|draft-ietf-krb-wg-pkinit-alg-agility||| tdtype|112|TD-CERT-DIGEST-ALGORITHMS|draft-ietf-krb-wg-pkinit-alg-agility||| These conflict with FAST or MS-KILE, but have been dealt with in a revised OTP draft: patype|131|PA_OTP_CHALLENGE|draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth||| patype|132|PA_OTP_REQUEST|draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth||| patype|133|PA_OTP_CONFIRM|draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth||| patype|134|PA_OTP_PIN_CHANGE|draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth||| This conflicts with FAST, but Larry has made a new assignment (which is not reflected in a published version of anon): patype|135|PA_PKINIT_KX|draft-ietf-krb-wg-anon||| This conflicts with FAST, but Larry has made a new assignment (which is not reflected in a published version of pku2u): patype|136|PA_PKU2U_NAME|draft-zhu-pku2u||| These conflict with MS-KILE and FAST, but Larry has made new assignments. 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