From nkong@cnnic.cn Thu Nov 4 06:11:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E313A693A for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: <2-fZ8El2HR0z> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "Message-ID" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.859 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.859 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.170, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2-fZ8El2HR0z for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AC1B3A68FB for ; Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (eyou send program); Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:11:39 +0800 Message-ID: <488876299.17950@cnnic.cn> X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: nkong@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown (HELO naptrthink) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:11:39 +0800 Message-ID: From: "Ning Kong" To: Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 21:11:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B7_01CB7C64.D8B167B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Cc: Gyu Myoung Lee , Bruce Nordman Subject: [irtf-discuss] Doodle: Discussion of the PS draft and Charter for IoT RG in Beijing X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 13:11:32 -0000 这是一封 MIME 格式的多方邮件。 ------=_NextPart_000_02B7_01CB7C64.D8B167B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ? Hi folks,=20 Sorry for cross-posting! There have been two bar BoF meetings for IoT (Internet of Things) at = IETF 77 and IETF 78. Gyu Myoung, Bruce and I would like to arrange an = informal meeting to discuss the PS draft = (draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-00) and Charter (coming soon) for IoT = RG at IETF 79. We cordially invite you to join us. In case you would like to attend this meeting, please indicate your = availabilities by 7 November 2010, on Doodle: = http://doodle.com/4t7phhfeqc9a5duh=20 We will decide whether this meeting should be announced as a bar BoF at = IETF 79 based on the result of the Doodle.=20 If you have any problem or suggestions, please feel free to let me know. = Cheers,=20 Ning=20 ------=_NextPart_000_02B7_01CB7C64.D8B167B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = folks,=20

Sorry for = cross-posting!

There have been two bar = BoF meetings=20 for IoT (Internet of Things) at IETF 77 and IETF 78. Gyu Myoung, Bruce = and I=20 would like to arrange an informal meeting to discuss the PS draft=20 (draft-lee-iot-problem-statement-00) and Charter (coming soon) for IoT = RG at=20 IETF 79. We cordially invite you to join us.

In case you would like = to attend this=20 meeting, please indicate your availabilities by 7 November 2010, on = Doodle:=20 http://doodle.com/4t7phhfeqc9a5duh

We will decide whether = this meeting=20 should be announced as a bar BoF at IETF 79 based on the result of the = Doodle.=20

If you have any problem = or=20 suggestions, please feel free to let me know.

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= ------=_NextPart_000_02B7_01CB7C64.D8B167B0-- From falk@bbn.com Sun Nov 7 14:18:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081CF3A68FB for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:18:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xax6qTaqbbOd for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.bbn.com (smtp.bbn.com [128.33.0.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1953A68E4 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 14:18:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.89.253.237] (port=59449 helo=nut-2.local) by smtp.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PFDZE-00053E-KF; Sun, 07 Nov 2010 17:18:29 -0500 Message-ID: <4CD725AF.7010606@bbn.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:18:23 +0800 From: Aaron Falk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , Wouter Tavernier , Didier Colle Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 22:18:14 -0000 Hi Dimitri- Finally getting around to reading your draft. Thank you for putting your thoughts into a document so your proposal of an IRTF actitvity can be appreciated in some detail. The proposal is quite interesting. Are you reflecting existing or planned work in a research project? Have you identified any other projects that you think might participate? One thought I had in reading the draft: Do you think the move from the less diverse behaviors (I'm avoiding 'simple') of current routers to adaptive behavior will in fact make it harder to diagnose the network as current diagnostics may no longer work? Put another way, will 'correct' behavior will be harder to predict? Anyway, I'm interested in seeing other comments --aaron On 10/30/10 8:13 PM, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) wrote: > Hi all, > > > If you are interested in the application of learning paradigms/techniques to the control of communication networks, please take a look at the following document and let us know if you think this research topic would be worth investigating in the IRTF context. > > Depending on the level of interest, we will organize an informal meeting in Beijing during IETF 79 (and provide means to enable remote participation for people that can't be physically present). Details would follow on this list. > > > Thanks, > -dimitri. > _______________________________________________ > irtf-discuss mailing list > irtf-discuss@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/irtf-discuss > From aservin@lacnic.net Sun Nov 7 18:23:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D773D3A68F0 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:23:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.321 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HOST_EQ_DIALUP=0.862, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id waSVfjSZpaEB for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:23:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.lacnic.net.uy (mail.lacnic.net.uy [IPv6:2001:13c7:7001:4000::3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CC43A68E0 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (r186-48-204-237.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy [186.48.204.237]) by mail.lacnic.net.uy (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47213085E7; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:23:22 -0200 (UYST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Arturo Servin In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 00:23:22 -0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3B1BDCEC-9192-461B-B97A-2FB2111658FB@lacnic.net> References: To: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: aservin@lacnic.net Cc: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , Wouter Tavernier , Didier Colle Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 02:23:22 -0000 Dimitri, I couldn't go to the IETF meeting in Beijing but I am very = interested in the topic.=20 I think that the adaptive behaviour of networks is an = interesting and challenging topic (not only technically but in other = domains too). I would be really happy to see some IETF efforts in this = direction and to contribute on them. If you are planning a meeting during the IETF 79 with support = for remote participation, please let me know. Best wishes, -as On 30 Oct 2010, at 10:13, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) wrote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 >=20 > If you are interested in the application of learning = paradigms/techniques to the control of communication networks, please = take a look at the following document = and let us know if you think this research topic would be worth = investigating in the IRTF context. >=20 > Depending on the level of interest, we will organize an informal = meeting in Beijing during IETF 79 (and provide means to enable remote = participation for people that can't be physically present). Details = would follow on this list. >=20 >=20 > Thanks, > -dimitri. > _______________________________________________ > irtf-discuss mailing list > irtf-discuss@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/irtf-discuss From sustrik@250bpm.com Mon Nov 8 03:42:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C77528C143 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:42:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.105 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.105 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SK=1.35, HOST_EQ_SK=0.555, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G8YurowrFL5g for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.moloch.sk (chrocht.moloch.sk [62.176.169.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E1228C0F2 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 03:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.9.1.2] (188-167-8-187.dynamic.chello.sk [188.167.8.187]) by mail.moloch.sk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 606DD18385DF for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:43:12 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CD7E267.2000600@250bpm.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:43:35 +0100 From: Martin Sustrik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: irtf-discuss@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [irtf-discuss] IPR policy in IRTF X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 11:42:53 -0000 Hi all, Does IETF IPR policy (BCP78 & BCP79) apply to IRTF as well? Thanks. Martin From scott.brim@gmail.com Mon Nov 8 04:11:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E873A69C7 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:11:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.139 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.139 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.340, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yhwu+0TKGjx for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39D63A6826 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22so1305052pvc.13 for ; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:12:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZEiNur8CBjc5Ds/W/87/BT23mA/Bb8BwvqEbsYDmPuY=; b=GAJ887DphrDASmol5LAEwqMIfGD4KYC2lwIZ98lMPZd19+Qvxw1dEQtfxOasKBr9N8 AEnBn2F071I5s44owy4mScSiO5SPZBrN/5Hy/Xph/GXeNOJuqkurDbOMcqpEt2cDJLul KGsc42hQ4bx+IpWXXGBUStckMs+Dod7kgQ/LM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Dr2VvSofc69T0JiaTcV5UmhAXtFmnQ/bEc795GhAOOR5sTKE0i1t+fh53w2Rdbbt+8 Nrpi7tuO6JN40lXHvME0GZwHyQKsSIE6cBiK97Wt4jjTmHZ/YcukAbLtnwjqVHIqISOa /MOOjODe47xVtOoKbQsm50bPvI3+M4zyE9U9k= Received: by 10.142.169.9 with SMTP id r9mr4749196wfe.120.1289218320761; Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.126] (128-107-239-233.cisco.com [128.107.239.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x18sm8075873wfa.23.2010.11.08.04.11.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:11:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CD7E904.1040205@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:11:48 +0800 From: Scott Brim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Martin Sustrik References: <4CD7E267.2000600@250bpm.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD7E267.2000600@250bpm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: irtf-discuss@irtf.org Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] IPR policy in IRTF X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:11:41 -0000 On 11/08/2010 19:43 GMT+08:00, Martin Sustrik wrote: > Hi all, > > Does IETF IPR policy (BCP78 & BCP79) apply to IRTF as well? > > Thanks. > Martin Search down in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5743 From dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.com Mon Nov 8 13:30:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D8C3A68C7 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:30:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I3+MGz80U6Te for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail6.alcatel.fr (smail6.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.42]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3543A68CF for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.64]) by smail6.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id oA8LMTYD013933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:22:29 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.40]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB04.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.64]) with mapi; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:22:29 +0100 From: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" To: Aaron Falk Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:20:25 +0100 Thread-Topic: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? Thread-Index: Act+ybcr5fyjHlwaTKOJKYcVT/bOfAAjqkVA Message-ID: References: <4CD725AF.7010606@bbn.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD725AF.7010606@bbn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.84 Cc: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , Wouter Tavernier , Didier Colle Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:30:13 -0000 Hi Aaron, > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Falk [mailto:falk@bbn.com]=20 > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:18 PM > To: Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) > Cc: irtf-discuss@irtf.org; Wouter Tavernier; Didier Colle > Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable=20 > communication networks ? >=20 > Hi Dimitri- >=20 > Finally getting around to reading your draft. Thank you for=20 > putting your thoughts into a document so your proposal of an=20 > IRTF actitvity can be appreciated in some detail. The=20 > proposal is quite interesting. =20 Thanks for the feedback. > Are you reflecting existing or planned work in a research project? =20 Yes, this is existing work as part of a research project started more than = 2 years ago (not counting the initial investigation phase). > Have you identified any other projects that you think might participate? We have identified and are in contact with other projects/researchers havin= g similar interests. We hope they will participate to this effort. > One thought I had in reading the draft: Do you think the move=20 > from the less diverse behaviors (I'm avoiding 'simple') of=20 > current routers to adaptive behavior will in fact make it=20 > harder to diagnose the network as current diagnostics may no=20 > longer work? Put another way, will 'correct' behavior will=20 > be harder to predict? Current diagnostics can still be performed as of today; indeed, the learnin= g cycle may still be ommitted or bypassed (produce analysis/decision withou= t taking them into account for subsequent execution). =20 Note that part of the research consists in determining which behavior would= benefit of "adaptivity" (without mandating usage). > Anyway, I'm interested in seeing other comments Thanks, -dimitri. > --aaron >=20 >=20 > On 10/30/10 8:13 PM, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > > If you are interested in the application of learning=20 > paradigms/techniques to the control of communication=20 > networks, please take a look at the following=20 > document -problem-statement-00> and let us know if you think this=20 > research topic would be worth investigating in the IRTF context. > > > > Depending on the level of interest, we will organize an=20 > informal meeting in Beijing during IETF 79 (and provide means=20 > to enable remote participation for people that can't be=20 > physically present). Details would follow on this list. > > > > > > Thanks, > > -dimitri. > > _______________________________________________ > > irtf-discuss mailing list > > irtf-discuss@irtf.org > > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/irtf-discuss > > > = From jtw@isi.edu Mon Nov 8 14:15:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9F93A68AE for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:15:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bw292WOnvn6F for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from boreas.isi.edu (boreas.isi.edu [128.9.160.161]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA073A68AF for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hachi.isi.edu (hachi.isi.edu [128.9.168.226]) (authenticated bits=0) by boreas.isi.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id oA8M0oet013317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:00:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: John Wroclawski In-Reply-To: <4CD725AF.7010606@bbn.com> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:00:50 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2CF484B7-2CC8-46D2-947F-FE4CFCF2BC32@isi.edu> References: <4CD725AF.7010606@bbn.com> To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-ISI-4-43-8-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: jtw@isi.edu Cc: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , Wouter Tavernier , Didier Colle Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:15:55 -0000 It's the Knowledge Plane, back for another swing! -- sigcomm vision paper = http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/A%20knowlege%20plane%= 20for%20the%20internet.pdf -- slides from DARPA seedling program = http://www.isi.edu/know-plane/DOCS/ramming.cognitivenetworksbriefforweb.pd= f (all from around 2003) This whole line of work seems to have tantalizing broad potential, = particularly when you look at it through the lens of advancing "network = management" or "fault diagnosis and management" - the case for thinking = of it as replacing low-level control isn't as strong yet IMO - but it's = also run up against some very hard problems and difficult pragmatic = issues in the past. The effect of that seems to be that people backed = off from the big-picture objective a little and went off to work on = smaller chunks of the problem for a while, or just hid in the corner to = see what would happen. It'd be really interesting to see whether things = have advanced enough that we could pull a coherent next-round research = agenda out of the collective community's thinking at this point. --john On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: > Hi Dimitri- >=20 > Finally getting around to reading your draft. Thank you for putting = your thoughts into a document so your proposal of an IRTF actitvity can = be appreciated in some detail. The proposal is quite interesting. Are = you reflecting existing or planned work in a research project? Have you = identified any other projects that you think might participate? >=20 > One thought I had in reading the draft: Do you think the move from the = less diverse behaviors (I'm avoiding 'simple') of current routers to = adaptive behavior will in fact make it harder to diagnose the network as = current diagnostics may no longer work? Put another way, will 'correct' = behavior will be harder to predict? >=20 > Anyway, I'm interested in seeing other comments >=20 > --aaron >=20 >=20 > On 10/30/10 8:13 PM, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) wrote: >> Hi all, >>=20 >>=20 >> If you are interested in the application of learning = paradigms/techniques to the control of communication networks, please = take a look at the following = document and let us know if you think this research topic would be = worth investigating in the IRTF context. >>=20 >> Depending on the level of interest, we will organize an informal = meeting in Beijing during IETF 79 (and provide means to enable remote = participation for people that can't be physically present). Details = would follow on this list. >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >> -dimitri. >> _______________________________________________ >> irtf-discuss mailing list >> irtf-discuss@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/irtf-discuss >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > irtf-discuss mailing list > irtf-discuss@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/irtf-discuss >=20 From nkong@cnnic.cn Mon Nov 8 19:52:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B1028C0DD for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:52:40 -0800 (PST) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Duplicate header field: "Message-ID" X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.761 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.761 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.884, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.803] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y+q1vNrKUy85 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cnnic.cn (smtp.cnnic.cn [159.226.7.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A2AD63A6A1A for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (eyou send program); Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:52:58 +0800 Message-ID: <489274778.26050@cnnic.cn> X-EYOUMAIL-SMTPAUTH: nkong@cnnic.cn Received: from unknown (HELO naptrthink) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:52:58 +0800 Message-ID: <303EDD0C5A3F468CAA1255F90EB81130@NAPTRTHINK> From: "Ning Kong" To: , <79attendees@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 11:52:54 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019E_01CB8004.A4D88970" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3502.922 Cc: Gyu Myoung Lee , Bruce Nordman Subject: [irtf-discuss] IoT bar BoF meeting X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 03:52:41 -0000 这是一封 MIME 格式的多方邮件。 ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CB8004.A4D88970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ?Hi folks,=20 The information about this IoT bar BoF meeting has been posted on the = Know bar BoFs wiki page. = http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/79bofs We cordially invite you to join us. =20 Cheers,=20 Ning=20 ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CB8004.A4D88970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_019E_01CB8004.A4D88970-- From falk@bbn.com Tue Nov 9 00:05:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953643A6866 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:05:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.015 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.015 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.215, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OI7d-HIXuJuH for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.bbn.com (smtp.bbn.com [128.33.1.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58DA3A695C for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 00:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.89.253.254] (port=62881 helo=nut-2.local) by smtp.bbn.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PFjDH-00088K-6D; Tue, 09 Nov 2010 03:05:55 -0500 Message-ID: <4CD900DF.9040306@bbn.com> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:05:51 +0800 From: Aaron Falk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" References: <4CD725AF.7010606@bbn.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , Wouter Tavernier , Didier Colle Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 08:05:32 -0000 On 11/9/10 5:20 AM, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) wrote: >> > Are you reflecting existing or planned work in a research project? > Yes, this is existing work as part of a research project started more than 2 years ago (not counting the initial investigation phase). > Can you provide a pointer with more info? --aaron From dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.com Tue Nov 9 03:17:29 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68A13A699E for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 03:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.15 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.15 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.700, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ZV6AGlQ6mNr for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 03:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9327A3A6983 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 03:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id oA9BD6Jr018316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:13:06 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.43]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:13:06 +0100 From: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" To: Aaron Falk Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:12:02 +0100 Thread-Topic: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? Thread-Index: Act/5PvUkPkCnY70Rfe9BCAMk51PTgACp/2A Message-ID: References: <4CD725AF.7010606@bbn.com> <4CD900DF.9040306@bbn.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD900DF.9040306@bbn.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.80 Cc: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , Wouter Tavernier , Didier Colle Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable communication networks ? X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 11:17:29 -0000 Hi Aaron, all, I invite interested IRTF'ers to take a look at the following pointers: we keep the latter updated with published/presented papers. =20 Thanks, -dimitri. > -----Original Message----- > From: irtf-discuss-bounces@irtf.org=20 > [mailto:irtf-discuss-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Falk > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 9:06 AM > To: Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) > Cc: irtf-discuss@irtf.org; Wouter Tavernier; Didier Colle > Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] Interested in Learning capable=20 > communication networks ? >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 11/9/10 5:20 AM, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) wrote: > >> > Are you reflecting existing or planned work in a=20 > research project? > > Yes, this is existing work as part of a research project=20 > started more than 2 years ago (not counting the initial=20 > investigation phase). > > >=20 > Can you provide a pointer with more info? >=20 > --aaron > _______________________________________________ > irtf-discuss mailing list > irtf-discuss@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/irtf-discuss > = From dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel-lucent.com Sun Nov 21 13:15:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834F63A68D0 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:15:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_41=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HNkk0dt3hKlW for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail2.alcatel.fr (smail2.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.57]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D903A6A0E for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.62]) by smail2.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id oALLAKEW006426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:10:20 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSB1.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.43]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB02.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.62]) with mapi; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:10:20 +0100 From: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" To: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:10:19 +0100 Thread-Topic: LCCN get together @ IETF 79 Thread-Index: AQHLib5yjnVscjTU3Ueojs/jDpVgiw== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_002_EFDB2B5417263843B5077E12666D8C1016948658FRMRSSXCHMBSB1d_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 155.132.188.80 Cc: "wouter.tavernier@intec.ugent.be" , "didier.colle@intec.ugent.be" Subject: [irtf-discuss] LCCN get together @ IETF 79 X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 21:15:58 -0000 --_002_EFDB2B5417263843B5077E12666D8C1016948658FRMRSSXCHMBSB1d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, We conducted a first LCCN get together (so called first Bar BoF) during the= IETF 79 meeting in Beijing on Thursday 8:30PM. 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References: To: "Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-LACNIC.uy-MailScanner-From: aservin@lacnic.net Cc: "irtf-discuss@irtf.org" , "wouter.tavernier@intec.ugent.be" , "didier.colle@intec.ugent.be" Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] LCCN get together @ IETF 79 X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:15:00 -0000 Hello, I could not be in Beijing, but I would like to make some short = comments on the minutes. " Yaroslav R.: What about the concern of security? I think it is important = that learning capability cannot be exploited in the advantage of certain = users. " This is very important. I have done some research work in the = area and it is always a question (when presenting papers or from thesis = supervisors). How does the learning systems avoids to be "maliciously = re-trained"? " D.Papadimitriou: The first goal should be to evaluate learning = techniques and models in a more controlled emulation environment such as = Emulab; in a second phase, less controlled environments as planetlab can = be considered. " We did our work using Reinforcement Learning (but probably ANN, = SVN, Bayesian and others could be used instead) and NS-2 (there is NS-3 = now as well). We applied it to intrusion detection/prevention. I = haven't used emulab and I do not know how it is compared to NS-X, but = NS-X could be in the table to be used as well. " L.Jakab: I think intrusion detection is a good case. L.Jakab: Would it be interesting to make it a subgroup of RRG (recharter = it, as no current plans anymore)? " As later commented by Dimitry I think that we shouldn't just = apply this for routing, I agree that learning networks have a broader = scope. And related to the last slides from the presentation: " Invite interested researchers on the mailing-list Provide support into the irtf-discussion list Provide use/application cases of interest (and motivation) Provide technical material (algorithms, experiments, etc.) in direct = relationship to the objectives of the group " Most of the people that I know working on this are IETF = outsiders (just like me until a few months ago) but I will invite them = to join. Also I would be happy to share my little experience on this = (experiments, presentations, papers, etc.) if that helps to make charter = to take off. Just my 20 cents, -as On 21 Nov 2010, at 19:10, Papadimitriou, Dimitri (Dimitri) wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > We conducted a first LCCN get together (so called first Bar BoF) = during the IETF 79 meeting in Beijing on Thursday 8:30PM. >=20 > In attachment of this e-mail, you will find the minutes of this = meeting (.txt file).=20 >=20 > The slide material presented is available at: > = >=20 > Thanks, > -dimitri. _______________________________________________ > irtf-discuss mailing list > irtf-discuss@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/irtf-discuss From falk@bbn.com Mon Nov 29 07:57:42 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: irtf-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364993A6BD4; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:57:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.032 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.032 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.233, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id orcgZF6MJkDi; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.bbn.com (smtp.bbn.com [128.33.0.80]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196D83A6BD2; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp89-081-153.bbn.com ([128.89.81.153]:51385) by smtp.bbn.com with esmtps (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.71 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1PN67u-000ErM-Nf; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:58:50 -0500 Message-ID: <4CF3CDB9.4010204@bbn.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 10:58:49 -0500 From: Aaron Falk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IRTF Announcements , IRTF Discuss Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020606060501080904060708" Subject: [irtf-discuss] Fwd: New IRTF Chair X-BeenThere: irtf-discuss@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IRTF general and new-work discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:57:42 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020606060501080904060708 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks- I'm happy to inform you that Lars Eggert will be the new IRTF chair as of= next March. See message below. --aaron -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IAB] New IRTF Chair Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:30:51 +0100 From: IAB Chair To: IETF Announcement list CC: IAB Board Dear Colleagues, After having served as IRTF chair since 2005 Aaron Falk will step down as= Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) chair during IETF80 in March 2011. The IAB has appointed Lars Eggert as his successor and in the months to c= ome Lars will be working with Aaron in transitioning responsibilities. Lars Eggert is a Principal Scientist at Nokia Research Center in Helsinki= , Finland and a member of Nokia's CEO Technology Council. He is also an A= djunct Professor at Aalto University. Lars has worked on research project= s ranging from internetwork architecture, transport protocols, virtual ne= tworks to resource scheduling. He is a senior member of the ACM and the I= EEE, an individual member of ISOC as well as an active participant in the= IRTF and IETF, where he currently serves as Area Director of the Transpo= rt Area. Lars serves on the program committees of several ACM and IEEE co= nferences and workshops as chair and member, such as IEEE Infocom. Before= joining Nokia in 2007, Lars was a senior researcher at the NEC Network L= aboratories in Heidelberg, Germany. He received his Ph.D. in Computer Sci= ence in the fall of 2003 from the University of Southern California (USC)= , where he was a graduate research assistant at USC'sInformation Sciences= Institute (ISI). On behalf of the IAB I would like to thank Aaron for serving the communit= y by fulfilling the role with zeal and thank Lars for taking up the respo= nsibility. For more information about the IRTF see www.irtf.org --Olaf Kolkman IAB Chair. ----------------------------------- The Internet Architecture Board www.iab.org iab-chair@iab.org --------------020606060501080904060708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks-

I'm happy to inform you that Lars Eggert will be the new IRTF chair as of next March. See message below.

--aaron

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Subject:	[IAB] New IRTF Chair
Date:	Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:30:51 +0100
From:	IAB Chair <iab-chair@iab.org>
To:	IETF Announcement list <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
CC:	IAB Board <iab@iab.org>

Dear Colleagues,

After having served as IRTF chair since 2005 Aaron Falk will step down as Internet Research Task Force (IRTF) chair during IETF80 in March 2011.

The IAB has appointed Lars Eggert as his successor and in the months to come Lars will be working with Aaron in transitioning responsibilities.

Lars Eggert is a Principal Scientist at Nokia Research Center in Helsinki, Finland and a member of Nokia's CEO Technology Council. He is also an Adjunct Professor at Aalto University. Lars has worked on research projects ranging from internetwork architecture, transport protocols, virtual networks to resource scheduling. He is a senior member of the ACM and the IEEE, an individual member of ISOC as well as an active participant in the IRTF and IETF, where he currently serves as Area Director of the Transport Area. Lars serves on the program committees of several ACM and IEEE conferences and workshops as chair and member, such as IEEE Infocom. Before joining Nokia in 2007, Lars was a senior researcher at the NEC Network Laboratories in Heidelberg, Germany. He received his Ph.D. in Computer Science in the fall of 2003 from the University of Southern California (USC), where he was a graduate research assistant at USC'sInformation Sciences Institute (ISI).

On behalf of the IAB I would like to thank Aaron for serving the community by fulfilling the role with zeal and thank Lars for taking up the responsibility.

For more information about the IRTF see www.irtf.org

--Olaf Kolkman
IAB Chair.

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