From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Mon Sep 10 20:44:33 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA07152 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f8B02ST16368 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [165.227.249.20] (ip20.proper.com [165.227.249.20]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8B02QD16279 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: phoffvpnc@mail.vpnc.org Message-Id: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:01:51 -0700 To: ietf-ipsra@vpnc.org From: Paul Hoffman / VPNC Subject: Reminder: last call for PIC in the IPSRA WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hi again. Just a reminder that we are in the middle of the PIC last call in the IPSRA WG. The last call ends at the end of September unless significant changes are needed to the spec. It has been pretty quiet here, and maybe that is good. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Tue Sep 11 22:37:36 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA25809 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f8C1u9q03496 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ierw.net.avaya.com (ierw.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.101]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8C1u8D03490 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ierw.net.avaya.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ierw.net.avaya.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05277 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IS0004AVEXU1.global.avaya.com (h149-49-38-91.avaya.com [149.49.38.91]) by ierw.net.avaya.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05272 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:55:07 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C13B2D.DA29D37F" Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 04:54:26 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Message-ID: Thread-Index: AcE61qzdLKQ/91IBQ1usncGGngWHYw== From: "Sadot, Emek (Emek)" To: Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13B2D.DA29D37F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------_=_NextPart_001_01C13B2D.DA29D37F Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C13B2D.DA29D37F-- From owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Mon Sep 17 09:05:53 2001 Received: from above.proper.com (above.proper.com [208.184.76.39]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA11697 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f8HCTse12231 for ietf-ipsra-bks; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 05:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fw.hel.fi.ssh.com (fw.hel.fi.ssh.com [193.64.193.124]) by above.proper.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8HCTpD12226 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 05:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from viikuna.hel.fi.ssh.com (viikuna.hel.fi.ssh.com [10.1.0.46]) by fw.hel.fi.ssh.com (SSH-1.27) with SMTP id f8HCTpf18420 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:29:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: (qmail 2499 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2001 12:29:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO porsas.hel.fi.ssh.com) ([10.1.0.48]) (envelope-sender ) by viikuna.hel.fi.ssh.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Sep 2001 12:29:51 -0000 Received: by porsas.hel.fi.ssh.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 847E727830; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:34:40 +0300 (EEST) To: ietf-ipsra@vpnc.org Subject: Re: Reminder: last call for PIC in the IPSRA WG References: Organization: SSH Communications Security From: Markus Stenberg Date: 17 Sep 2001 15:34:39 +0300 Message-ID: <87u1y29esg.fsf@porsas.hel.fi.ssh.com> Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Academic Rigor) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-ipsra@mail.vpnc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org (Paul Hoffman / VPNC) writes: > Hi again. Just a reminder that we are in the middle of the PIC last > call in the IPSRA WG. The last call ends at the end of September > unless significant changes are needed to the spec. > > It has been pretty quiet here, and maybe that is good. I was also on vacation (four weeks :>), which delayed somewhat this mail. I didn't want to start discussion while people were still in Finland in the VPN workshop, and I regrettably had to leave workshop's summary session before I could poll it locally. I still personally feel that with the discussion about s-o-IKE, and _especially_ the discussions regarding aggressive/main(/base) mode in IPsec WG, it might be bad idea to select aggressive-like approach for PIC. Why do we want to perform significant work on basis of a packet from a source which we haven't even verified exists and really wants to talk to us? This could be circumvented (at least) by changing the exchange from 3 to 4 messages and styling it after base mode instead of aggressive mode. If someone else agrees, feel free to point it out; if it's just me, I'll go back to my corner :> > --Paul Hoffman, Director > --VPN Consortium -Markus -- Markus Stenberg (stenberg@ssh.com) of SSH Communications Security (www.ssh.com)