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We'll take care of the two nits you identified in the next version. Al and Benoit At 01:38 AM 1/8/2009, Christian Vogt wrote: >I have been selected as the General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) >reviewer for this draft (for background on Gen-ART, please see >http://www.alvestrand.no/ietf/gen/art/gen-art-FAQ.html). > >Please wait for direction from your document shepherd >or AD before posting a new version of the draft. > > >Document..........: draft-ietf-ippm-delay-var-as-01 >Reviewer..........: Christian Vogt >Review date.......: Jan. 7, 2009 >IESG Telechat date: Jan. 8, 2009 > > >Summary: This draft is ready for publication as Informational RFC. > > >This document compares two widely used metrics for measuring packet >delay variations, and it provides guidance with respect to when to use >which of the metrics. > >I found the document clearly ready for publication. It is very >informative and easy to read. The comparison and guidelines provided by >the document are relevant given the resemblance of the observed metrics >and the variety of use cases to which the metrics potentially apply. >Furthermore, the document includes an excellent motivation and survey of >related work; this renders it useful for readers of different levels of >expertise in the field of performance measuring. Also, the document is >perfectly embedded into existing work through a large number of >well-placed references. > >Two nits, which should be fixed prior to publication, are the following: > >- Section 1.1, 3rd paragraph: "Lost and delayed packets are separated > by a waiting time threshold." -- Since the waiting time threshold > does not only apply to those packets that are lost or delayed, this > sentence should be rephrased to: "Packets for which one-way loss or > delay is measured are...". > >- Section 3.2, 4th-to-last paragraph: "The error in the alignment > process can be accounted for by a factor, A." -- A is an offset > (addend) here, not a factor. > >Best regards, >- Christian > _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 8 12:15:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651883A69BD; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:15:03 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 3937A3A692A; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090108201502.3937A3A692A@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:15:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-delay-var-as-02.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : Packet Delay Variation Applicability Statement Author(s) : A. Morton, B. Claise Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-delay-var-as-02.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2009-01-08 Packet delay variation metrics appear in many different standards documents. The metric definition in RFC 3393 has considerable flexibility, and it allows multiple formulations of delay variation through the specification of different packet selection functions. Although flexibility provides wide coverage and room for new ideas, it can make comparisons of independent implementations more difficult. Two different formulations of delay variation have come into wide use in the context of active measurements. This memo examines a range of circumstances for active measurements of delay variation and their uses, and recommends which of the two forms is best matched to particular conditions and tasks. 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Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. Document..........: draft-ietf-ippm-delay-var-as-01 Reviewer..........: Christian Vogt Review date.......: Jan. 7, 2009 IESG Telechat date: Jan. 8, 2009 Summary: This draft is ready for publication as Informational RFC. This document compares two widely used metrics for measuring packet delay variations, and it provides guidance with respect to when to use which of the metrics. I found the document clearly ready for publication. It is very informative and easy to read. The comparison and guidelines provided by the document are relevant given the resemblance of the observed metrics and the variety of use cases to which the metrics potentially apply. Furthermore, the document includes an excellent motivation and survey of related work; this renders it useful for readers of different levels of expertise in the field of performance measuring. Also, the document is perfectly embedded into existing work through a large number of well-placed references. Two nits, which should be fixed prior to publication, are the following: - Section 1.1, 3rd paragraph: "Lost and delayed packets are separated by a waiting time threshold." -- Since the waiting time threshold does not only apply to those packets that are lost or delayed, this sentence should be rephrased to: "Packets for which one-way loss or delay is measured are...". - Section 3.2, 4th-to-last paragraph: "The error in the alignment process can be accounted for by a factor, A." -- A is an offset (addend) here, not a factor. Best regards, - Christian _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From lunchmote@aktiespararna.se Tue Jan 13 00:05:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE783A6938 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:05:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.937 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.937 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR=2.426, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mgAo4NvhIPEJ for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzq-79-179-54-179.red.bezeqint.net (bzq-79-179-54-179.red.bezeqint.net [79.179.54.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9758F3A693B for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:05:00 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: RE: Message 39810 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090113080501.9758F3A693B@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:05:00 -0800 (PST)
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Students not only will = be able to learn about other students' work but also interact with well = established researchers in the field who will participate in the workshop as mentors and organizers. We are soliciting two-page extended abstracts (double = comlumn) on the same topics as covered in the original CFP of PAM 2009. Submission information is available at: = http://pam2009.kaist.ac.kr/st_workshop.html. Submissions will be reviewed by the program committee, from which a number of abstracts will be selected for inclusion in the workshop program. Authors will = present their work as a poster. TOPICS OF INTEREST =A0 * Active Network Measurements =A0 * Passive Network Measurements =A0 * Performance Metrics =A0 * Traffic Statistics =A0 * Measurement Visualization =A0 * New Measurement Approaches & Techniques=A0=A0=A0=A0 = =A0 * Deployment of Measurement Infrastructure =A0 * New Measurement Initiatives =A0 * Applications of Network Measurements =A0 * Network Measurements and Security =A0 * Network Troubleshooting using Measurements =A0 * Reproduce (or Refute) Previous Measurement Results IMPORTANT DEADLINES =A0 * Paper submission: February 6th, 2009 =A0 * Acceptance notification: February 13th, 2009 WORKSHOP PROGRAM COMMITTEE =A0 Taesang Choi, ETRI =A0 Taek-Geun Kwon, Chungnam National University =A0 Sue Moon, KAIST _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From motocity@akirashop.com Tue Jan 13 10:21:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE093A6906 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:21:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.839 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.839 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NV2fCtMihc5N for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:21:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from amazinggrace-books.com (unknown [94.178.20.135]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B328C3A6802 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:21:27 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Up to 20% cashback on every purchase? 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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 14 12:31:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124EB3A6A9F; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:31:01 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 0DBCC3A6A8F; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: IESG Secretary To: IETF Announcement list Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090114203058.0DBCC3A6A8F@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:30:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: henk@ripe.net, matt@internet2.edu, ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] WG Review: Recharter of IP Performance Metrics (ippm) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org A modified charter has been submitted for the IP Performance Metrics (ippm) working group in the Transport Area of the IETF. The IESG has not made any determination as yet. The modified charter is provided below for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by Wednesday, January 21, 2009. IP Performance Metrics (ippm) -------------------------------------------- Last Modified: 2008-12-19 Current Status: Active Working Group Additional information is available at tools.ietf.org/wg/ippm Chair(s): Matthew Zekauskas [matt@internet2.edu] Henk Uijterwaal [henk@ripe.net] Transport Area Director(s): Magnus Westerlund magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com] Lars Eggert [lars.eggert@nokia.com] Transport Area Advisor: Lars Eggert [lars.eggert@nokia.com] Mailing Lists: General Discussion: ippm@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm In Body: subscribe Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ippm/index.html Description of Working Group: The IPPM WG has developed a set of standard metrics that can be applied to the quality, performance, and reliability of Internet data delivery services. These metrics are designed such that they can be performed by network operators, end users, or independent testing groups. It is important that the metrics not represent a value judgment (i.e. define "good" and "bad"), but rather provide unbiased quantitative measures of performance. Functions peripheral to Internet data delivery services, such as NOC/NIC services, are beyond the scope of this working group. The IPPM WG has produced documents that define specific metrics and procedures for accurately measuring and documenting these metrics. This is the current list of fundamental metrics and the existing set of derived metrics. - connectivity - one-way delay and loss - round-trip delay. - delay variation - loss patterns - packet reordering - bulk transport capacity - link bandwidth capacity - packet duplication The working group will advance these metrics along the standards track within the IETF. It will be guided by applicable IESG documents in this area. Additionally, the WG will produce Proposed Standard AS documents, comparable to applicability statements in RFC 2026, that will focus on procedures for measuring the individual metrics and how these metrics characterize features that are important to different service classes, such as bulk transport, periodic streams, packet bursts or multimedia streams. Each AS document will discuss the performance characteristics that are pertinent to a specified service class; clearly identify the set of metrics that aid in the description of those characteristics; specify the methodologies required to collect said metrics; and lastly, present the requirements for the common, unambiguous reporting of testing results. The AS documents can also discuss the use of the metrics to verify performance expectations, such as SLA's, report results to specific user groups or investigate network problems. The focus is, again, to define how this should be done, not to define a value judgment. The WG may define additional statistics for its metrics if needed. Specific topics of these AS documents must be approved by the Area Directors as charter additions. The WG will work on documents describing how to compose and decompose the results of its metrics over time or space. The WG has produced protocols to enable communication among test equipment that implements the one- and two-way metrics (OWAMP and TWAMP respectively). OWAMP and TWAMP will be advanced along the standards track. Further development of these protocols will also be done inside the WG. The metrics developed by the WG were developed inside an active measurement context, that is, the devices used to measure the metrics produce their own traffic. However, most metrics can be used inside a passive context as well. No work is planned is this area though, this may be changed with AD approval. The intent of the WG is to cooperate with other appropriate standards bodies and forums (such as ATIS IIF, ITU-T SG 12, 13 and 15, MEF) to promote consistent approaches and metrics. Within the IETF process, IPPM metrics definitions will be subject to as rigorous a scrutiny for usefulness, clarity, and accuracy as other protocol standards. The IPPM WG will interact with other areas of IETF activity whose scope intersect with the requirement of these specific metrics. The WG will, on request, provide input to other IETF WG on the use of these metrics. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From pagou@amsa.com Wed Jan 14 17:26:34 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48F63A6A55 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -42.968 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-42.968 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ChfL4KWHq6le for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from host47-173-static.28-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it (host47-173-static.28-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it [79.28.173.47]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E92373A6963 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:26:32 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: RE: Message 30766 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090115012632.E92373A6963@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:26:32 -0800 (PST)
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It will be guided by applicable IESG documents >in this area. Additionally, the WG will produce Proposed Standard >AS documents, comparable to applicability statements in RFC 2026, >that will focus on procedures for measuring the individual metrics >and how these metrics characterize features that are important to >different service classes, such as bulk transport, periodic streams, >packet bursts or multimedia streams. Each AS document will discuss... I think there may be some confusion about the role of AS memos in IPPM, and possibly it is just my confusion, but let's find out. This discussion may end-up as a comment on the charter text. Should the Delay Variation AS draft have been a Standards Track memo? (It is currently categorized as Informational) It fits the description in the charter, except that I thought it made more sense as a non-standards track document, because we have a challenge ahead of us to advance our TS metrics along the stds track. I didn't see any need to verify the material in the delay-var-AS draft against implementations (but that's not needed for AS?). Also, we have some elements of the AS charter description in our current TS metrics documents (RFC 2026 allows for this possibility); methods of measurement come to mind. So, while I think IPPM can live with the current Informational status, I may have made a mistake in the categorization of the delay-var-as memo, and I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the topic. thanks and regards, Al The working group will advance these metrics along the standards track within the IETF. It will be guided by applicable IESG documents in this area. Additionally, the WG will produce Proposed Standard AS documents, comparable to applicability statements in RFC 2026, that will focus on procedures for measuring the individual metrics and how these metrics characterize features that are important to different service classes, such as bulk transport, periodic streams, packet bursts or multimedia streams. Each AS document will discuss the performance characteristics that are pertinent to a specified service class; clearly identify the set of metrics that aid in the description of those characteristics; specify the methodologies required to collect said metrics; and lastly, present the requirements for the common, unambiguous reporting of testing results. The AS documents can also discuss the use of the metrics to verify performance expectations, such as SLA's, report results to specific user groups or investigate network problems. The focus is, again, to define how this should be done, not to define a value judgment. The WG may define additional statistics for its metrics if needed. Specific topics of these AS documents must be approved by the Area Directors as charter additions. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From listsnn@alexandersdirect.com Thu Jan 15 13:17:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477A23A67AB for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:17:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -18.059 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.059 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wH0q3nH1dAhj for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from 5ac1cc82.bb.sky.com (5ac1cc01.bb.sky.com [90.193.204.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AA9F43A6940 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:17:39 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: Order status 92611 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090115211739.AA9F43A6940@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:17:39 -0800 (PST)
From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 16 00:29:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C17283A6936; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA743A6936 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g8btg0KbgG3M for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from tcmail33.telekom.de (tcmail33.telekom.de [194.25.30.7]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAF63A63EB for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from s4de8psaans.blf.telekom.de (HELO s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de) ([10.151.180.168]) by tcmail31.telekom.de with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2009 09:28:45 +0100 Received: from S4DE8PSAAQA.mitte.t-com.de ([10.151.229.12]) by s4de8psaans.mitte.t-com.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:28:45 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:28:44 +0100 Message-ID: <151C164FE2E066418D8D44D0801543A5382610@S4DE8PSAAQA.mitte.t-com.de> In-Reply-To: <200901151556.n0FFumb3021302@klph001.kcdc.att.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [ippm] WG Review: Recharter of IP Performance Metrics (ippm) Thread-Index: Acl3KfIraEdnboobSqym3HWqTaYSNgAh5xZg References: <20090114203058.0DBCC3A6A8F@core3.amsl.com> <200901151556.n0FFumb3021302@klph001.kcdc.att.com> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2009 08:28:45.0457 (UTC) FILETIME=[72709810:01C977B4] Cc: K.Aldinger-Stein@telekom.de, ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] WG Review: Recharter of IP Performance Metrics (ippm) X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Al, from my recollection of the IPDV metric, RFC3393 only determines that there must be a selction function F by which one defines an IPDV metric based on a set of delay singletons. The AS draft discusses two different selection functions and recommends one. The AS draft as is discusses constructed examples, so I don't think it qualifies for a BCP, which I think may be another option where to go with it besides standards track. The selection function of RFC3393 allows for flexibility and may be useful to allow for search of the "perfect" IPDV specification. On the other hand, flexibility opens a door for incompatibility. So there's a point in determining a selection function for IPDV and making it a standard. Regards, Ruediger -----Original Message----- From: ippm-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ippm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Al Morton Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 4:57 PM To: henk@ripe.net; matt@internet2.edu; ippm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ippm] WG Review: Recharter of IP Performance Metrics (ippm) At 03:30 PM 1/14/2009, IESG Secretary wrote: >...The working group will advance these metrics along the standards >track within the IETF. It will be guided by applicable IESG documents >in this area. Additionally, the WG will produce Proposed Standard >AS documents, comparable to applicability statements in RFC 2026, >that will focus on procedures for measuring the individual metrics >and how these metrics characterize features that are important to >different service classes, such as bulk transport, periodic streams, >packet bursts or multimedia streams. Each AS document will discuss... I think there may be some confusion about the role of AS memos in IPPM, and possibly it is just my confusion, but let's find out. This discussion may end-up as a comment on the charter text. Should the Delay Variation AS draft have been a Standards Track memo? (It is currently categorized as Informational) It fits the description in the charter, except that I thought it made more sense as a non-standards track document, because we have a challenge ahead of us to advance our TS metrics along the stds track. I didn't see any need to verify the material in the delay-var-AS draft against implementations (but that's not needed for AS?). Also, we have some elements of the AS charter description in our current TS metrics documents (RFC 2026 allows for this possibility); methods of measurement come to mind. So, while I think IPPM can live with the current Informational status, I may have made a mistake in the categorization of the delay-var-as memo, and I'd like to hear other's thoughts on the topic. thanks and regards, Al The working group will advance these metrics along the standards track within the IETF. It will be guided by applicable IESG documents in this area. Additionally, the WG will produce Proposed Standard AS documents, comparable to applicability statements in RFC 2026, that will focus on procedures for measuring the individual metrics and how these metrics characterize features that are important to different service classes, such as bulk transport, periodic streams, packet bursts or multimedia streams. Each AS document will discuss the performance characteristics that are pertinent to a specified service class; clearly identify the set of metrics that aid in the description of those characteristics; specify the methodologies required to collect said metrics; and lastly, present the requirements for the common, unambiguous reporting of testing results. The AS documents can also discuss the use of the metrics to verify performance expectations, such as SLA's, report results to specific user groups or investigate network problems. The focus is, again, to define how this should be done, not to define a value judgment. The WG may define additional statistics for its metrics if needed. 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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 07:19:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597A428C119; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:19:39 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 30) id 45C783A6A97; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:19:38 -0800 (PST) X-idtracker: yes From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Message-Id: <20090122151938.45C783A6A97@core3.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:19:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: Internet Architecture Board , ippm chair , ippm mailing list , RFC Editor Subject: [ippm] Document Action: 'Packet Delay Variation Applicability Statement' to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Packet Delay Variation Applicability Statement ' as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Lars Eggert and Magnus Westerlund. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-delay-var-as-02.txt Technical Summary Packet delay variation metrics appear in many different standards documents. The metric definition in RFC 3393 has considerable flexibility, and it allows multiple formulations of delay variation through the specification of different packet selection functions. Although flexibility provides wide coverage and room for new ideas, it can make comparisons of independent implementations more difficult. Two different formulations of delay variation have come into wide use in the context of active measurements. This memo examines a range of circumstances for active measurements of delay variation and their uses, and recommends which of the two forms is best matched to particular conditions and tasks. Working Group Summary This document was suggested after a talk on this topic at IETF-65. There was no controversy in the WG process. Consensus was smooth. Personnel The document shepherd is Henk Uijterwaal (henk@ripe.net). Lars Eggert (lars.eggert@nokia.com) has reviewed this document for the IESG. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 07:43:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A0D3A6997; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:43:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55ECD3A6997 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:43:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id opa338VlsD8j for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from magus.merit.edu (magus.merit.edu [198.108.1.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4173A6939 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0582261F2 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:42:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from magus.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (magus.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bl5nmrGwxvfU for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from matt.local (adsl-69-227-213-14.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [69.227.213.14]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076382261EF for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:42:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <497893FB.7020504@internet2.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:42:51 -0500 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF IPPM WG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030507030509060504040108" Subject: [ippm] FYI: Issues with RFC 5378 and progressing documents to RFC X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030507030509060504040108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IETF Chair has asked that all working group members be advised of the current discussion surrounding RFC 5378 (see attached forwarded file). A pointer to the original message is here: and apparently also Marshall Eubanks sent the following summary to his working group: "... This is a complicated subject, but the executive summary is that if you have an Internet-draft that quotes substantially from one or more older RFCs (ones with a publication date pre-November 11, 2008), and you did not write this earlier work yourself (or you wrote it while with another company), you need to be aware of the likely difficulty of obtaining RFC5378 clearances for your new work, and also to be aware that a work-around is on the way. The work-around should be in place to allow submissions to the San Francisco IETF well before the normal deadlines. See the attached text for more details." It may be that quoting other contributions (email, mic discussion) could also require clearance. Eric Rescorla added more detail in the message to his working group: "If you've been following the IETF mailing list, you may be aware of the ongoing discussion about the impact of RFC 5378 on revised draft submissions. Briefly, RFC 5378 requires Contributors to grant a more expansive set of rights than were granted by RFC 3978, and 4748. If you are submitting a document which contains text contributed by others prior to the publication of RFC 5378 you may need to obtain additional rights from the copyright holders of that text in order to contribute under the 5378 terms." My understanding is that this does not prevent development of documents, only what rights need to be granted at RFC publication (and the additional rights are for potential use outside the IETF process), so it should not stop work. (Eric added that he was waiting for the resolution before publishing further drafts, however.) Russ Housley gave some advice in a separate message: Discussion about specific points relating to IPPM documents are welcome here. Discussion about RFC 5378 and any changes to RFC 5378 should be taken to the IETF discussion list , and are off-topic on the ippm list. If anyone feels this is a major problem for them, please let the chairs know. --Matt --------------030507030509060504040108 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposedWork-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename*0="Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and c"; filename*1="omments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem.em"; filename*2="l" Return-Path: matt@internet2.edu Received: from magus.merit.edu (LHLO magus.merit.edu) (198.108.1.13) by crono.merit.edu with LMTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD14F226A51 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-10 required=4 tests=[AWL=0.099, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from magus.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (magus.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Pd0iYRc3BH6 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from basie.internet2.edu (mail.internet2.edu [207.75.164.36]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422C4226A3A for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECC64B209 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26026-04 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix, from userid 1092) id 048214B205; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-ASN: AS237 198.108.1.0/24 Delivered-To: matt@internet2.edu Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F9A4B209 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25893-10 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from thor.merit.edu (thor.merit.edu [198.108.1.14]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB644B205 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:23:33 -0500 (EST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AocBAKygbUlAqmIglGdsb2JhbACUFgEBAQEJCwgJEQW6E4Vv X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,263,1231131600"; d="scan'208";a="1449070" Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by thor.merit.edu with ESMTP; 14 Jan 2009 11:23:33 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C550A3A63CB; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:23:46 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: wgchairs@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BF73A6833 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:23:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D4KZCiJ4DjD8 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B60C3A63CB for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:23:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27912 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jan 2009 16:23:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.143.189) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2009 16:23:26 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:00:05 -0500 To: wgchairs@ietf.org From: Russ Housley Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20090114162344.8B60C3A63CB@core3.amsl.com> X-BeenThere: wgchairs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Working Group Chairs List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner WG Chairs: Please make sure that your WG, and especially your document authors, are aware of this situation. Please follow the discussion on the IETF Discussion list, and keep the WG informed about the way forward as it develops. Thanks, Russ >From: "Ed Juskevicius" >To: "'IETF Discussion'" , , > , , , > >Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 16:43:50 -0500 >Cc: 'Trustees' >Subject: [Trustees] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and > comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem > >The purpose of this message is twofold: > >1) To summarize the issues that some members of our community > have experienced since the publication of RFC 5378 in November 2008, > and >2) To invite community review and discussion on a potential work-around > being considered by the IETF Trustees. > >Some I-D authors are having difficulty implementing RFC 5378. An >example of the difficulty is as follows: > > - an author wants to include pre-5378 content in a new submission > or contribution to the IETF, but > - s/he is not certain that all of the author(s) of the earlier > material have agreed to license it to the IETF Trust according > to RFC 5378. > >If an I-D author includes pre-5378 material in a new document, then s/he >must represent or warrant that all of the authors who created the >pre-5378 material have granted rights for that material to the IETF Trust. >If s/he cannot make this assertion, then s/he has a problem. > >This situation has halted the progression of some Internet-Drafts and >interrupted the publication of some RFCs. The Trustees of the IETF Trust >are investigating ways to implement a temporary work-around so that IETF >work can continue to progress. A permanent solution to this "pre-5378 >problem" may require an update to RFC 5378, for example new work by the >community to create a 5378-bis document. > >The remainder of this message provides an outline of the temporary work- >around being considered by the Trustees. > >RFC 5378 sections 1.j and 5.3.c provide the IETF Trust with the >authority to develop legend text for authors to use in situations where >they wish to limit the granting of rights to modify and prepare >derivatives of the documents they submit. The Trustees used this >authority in 2008 to develop and adopt the current "Legal Provisions >Relating to IETF Documents" which are posted at: >http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/. > >The Trustees are now considering the creation of optional new legend text >which could be used by authors experiencing the "pre-5378 problem". > >The new legend text, if implemented, would do the following: > > a. Provide Authors and Contributors with a way to identify (to the > IETF Trust) that their contributions contain material from pre-5378 > documents for which RFC 5378 rights to modify the material outside > the IETF standards process may not have been granted, and > > b. Provide the IETF Trust and the community with a clear indication > of every document containing pre-5378 content and having the > "pre-5378 problem". > >So, how could the creation and use of some new legend text help people >work-around the pre-5378 problem? > >The proposed answer is as follows: > > 1. Anyone having a contribution with the "pre-5378" problem should add > new legend text to the contribution, to clearly flag that it includes > pre-5378 material for which all of the rights needed under RFC 5378 > may not have been granted, and > > 2. The IETF Trust will consider authors and contributors (with the > pre-5378 problem) to have met their RFC 5378 obligations if the > new legend text appears on their documents, and > > 3. Authors and contributors should only resort to adding the new > legend text to their documents (per #1) if they cannot develop > certainty that all of the author(s) of pre-5378 material in > their documents have agreed to license the pre-5378 content to > the IETF Trust according to RFC 5378. > >The proposed wording for the new legend text is now available for your >review and comments in section 6.c.iii of a draft revision to the >IETF Trust's "Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents" located at >http://trustee.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html. > >Please note that the above document also contains new text in section 5.c >dealing with "License Limitations". > >If your review and feedback on this proposed work-around is positive, >then the new text may be adopted by the Trustees in early February 2009, >and then be published as an official revision to the Legal Provisions >document. If so adopted, Internet-Drafts with pre-5378 material may >advance within the Internet standards process and get published as RFCs >where otherwise qualified to do so. Unless covered by sections 6.c.i or >6.c.ii, authors of documents in which there is no pre-5378 >material must provide a RFC 5378 license with no limitation on >modifications outside the IETF standards process. > >The IETF Trust will not grant the right to modify or prepare derivative >works of any specific RFC or other IETF Contribution outside the IETF >standards process until RFC 5378 rights pertaining to that document have >been obtained from all authors and after compliance by the IETF Trust >with RFC 5377. The Trustees will establish one or more mechanisms by >which authors of pre-5378 documents may grant RFC 5378 rights. > >The Trustees hereby invite your review, comments and suggestions on this >proposed work-around to the "pre-5378 problem". The period for this review >is 30 days. Microsoft WORD and PDF versions of the proposed revisions are >attached to this message. Copies are also available on the IETF Trust >website under the heading "DRAFT Policy and Procedures Being Developed" at: >http://trustee.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html > >All feedback submitted before the end of February 7th will be considered by >the Trustees. A decision on whether to move forward with this proposal will >be made and communicated to you before the end of February 15th. > >Please give this your attention. > >Regards and Happy New Year ! > >Ed Juskevicius, on behalf of the IETF Trustees >edj.etc@gmail.com --------------030507030509060504040108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --------------030507030509060504040108-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 07:45:49 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC1D28C221; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:45:49 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3790F28C221; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:45:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cmm+kfEBAD9H; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:45:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from magus.merit.edu (magus.merit.edu [198.108.1.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECA228C220; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 07:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8420C225484; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:45:30 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from magus.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (magus.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W5ovdSW8P2vg; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from matt.local (adsl-69-227-213-14.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [69.227.213.14]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7154B225474; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:45:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49789498.3040801@internet2.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:45:28 -0500 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF-IESG-Support , Lars Eggert Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050908000303020606010004" Cc: Henk Uijterwaal , IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] Publication request: draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-06.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050908000303020606010004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IETF IPPM working group requests publication of draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-06 as a proposed standard. Matt Zekauskas will be Document Shepherd. The Document Shepherd writeup is attached. --Matt --------------050908000303020606010004 Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-shepherd-01.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-shepherd-01.txt" Document shepherd writeup for draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-06.txt, as required by rfc4858, and specfied in the 17-Sep-2008 version of . (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? The document shepherd is Matt Zekauskas The document shepherd has personally reviewed this document and believes this version is read for forwarding to the IESG for publication. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? I believe the document has received sufficent review from key WG members. I don't believe there are key non-WG members that need to review the document; I did ask Dave Thalor about IPv6 terminology to make sure we were consistent. I have no concerns about the depth or breadth of reivews for this document. (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? no. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so, please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on this issue. I know of no unusual conerns of which the AD and IESG in general should be aware. I know of no IPR disclosures related to this document. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? I believe this document fills a missing hole in the IPPM metrics, and there is fairly broad consensus for this document. There have been reviews and comment by the vocal members. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is entered into the ID Tracker.) no. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See http://www.ietf.org/ID-Checklist.html and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? Yes, however one reference currently in the "informative" catagory should be moved to normative based on the last revision. See next. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. The references are split into normative and non-normative. However, the last revision moved one reference [RFC3432] from "Informative" to "Normative". We discussed this with our AD, and believe that it can be corrected either in updates based on comments from the IETF-wide last call, or during the RFC editing process. There are no "downard references" nor references to drafts. (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? If the document specifies protocol extensions, are reservations requested in appropriate IANA registries? Are the IANA registries clearly identified? If the document creates a new registry, does it define the proposed initial contents of the registry and an allocation procedure for future registrations? Does it suggest a reasonable name for the new registry? See [RFC5226]. If the document describes an Expert Review process has Shepherd conferred with the Responsible Area Director so that the IESG can appoint the needed Expert during the IESG Evaluation? The IANA consideration section exists, and is consistent with the metrics registry rquiremetns it references. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? There are no such sections. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary Relevant content can frequently be found in the abstract and/or introduction of the document. If not, this may be an indication that there are deficiencies in the abstract or introduction. When a packet is sent from one host to the other, one normally expects that exactly one copy of the packet that was sent arrives at the destination. It is, however, possible that a packet is either lost or that multiple copies arrive. This document defines a metric for the case where a packet is sent, but multiple copies arrive. The document also discusses streams and methods to summarize the results of streams. Working Group Summary Was there anything in WG process that is worth noting? For example, was there controversy about particular points or were there decisions where the consensus was particularly rough? This document was suggested when creating a succint summary of IPPM metrics for reporting to users; this was one that was missing from the IPPM metric suite. There is consensus that this is the right definition. There has been some question as to whether the definition is crisp and unambiguous for both IPv4 and IPv6, and the document has been modified to address those concerns. Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was its course (briefly)? In the case of a Media Type review, on what date was the request posted? I know of no current implementations that claim to implement this metric. 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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 23 07:45:43 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7463A6934; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:45:43 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C923A6934 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:45:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cI09FDMQUKt9 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA88E3A686C for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74] ([IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0NFjASF053555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:45:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: Matthew J Zekauskas In-Reply-To: <49789498.3040801@internet2.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:45:10 +0200 References: <49789498.3040801@internet2.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]); Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:45:19 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8897/Fri Jan 23 14:59:36 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Henk Uijterwaal , IETF IPPM WG Subject: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-06.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0355512650==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============0355512650== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-18-1015239759; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-18-1015239759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I re-reviewed this, because it has changed quite a bit since -03. I have one issue that I think we should fix before IETF last call, which is: Section 2.7., paragraph 1: > Refer to section 2.7 of [RFC2680] Section 2.7 of [RFC2680] contains a lot of stuff that doesn't seem to be relevant to duplication. We may need to extract the relevant bits and place them here. (The other sections in this document that refer to 2680/3432 point to sections there that seem general enough.) I have some other, minor comments that we could either also address now or in parallel with an IETF last call: Section 2.4., paragraph 2: > o Both contain identical information fields. The recipient thus > could take either packet and use the data in an application. The > other packet does not contain any additional information. ... > The recipient thus could take either packet and use it in an > application, the other copy does not contain any additional > information. Same text appears in the first bullet above. Copy/paste issue? Section 2.4., paragraph 5: > If a packet is fragmented during transport and if, for whatever > reason, re-assembly does not occur, then the packet will be deemed > lost. It is thus not included in the Type-P-one-way-packet- arrival- > count. I'm a bit confused by the "re-assembly does not occur" part. Couldn't we simply say that this metric can on only be meaningfully applied to IP packets after reassembly? Section 2.5., paragraph 3: > If this metrics is used in parallel with the Packet Loss Metric > [RFC2680], the value of T0 should be the same for both cases in order > to keep the results comparable. s/should/SHOULD/ (and why not MUST?) Section 9.2., paragraph 2: > [RFC3432] Raisanen, V., Grotefeld, G., and A. Morton, "Network > performance measurement with periodic streams", RFC 3432, > November 2002. 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b=C1/uj+TM2RJvKPkTHgv/tyig0Q4roNvzdZo49tuABgn39ZbDWyfa2RQmbz2NqKACm1 5vFI8PnOFTpQVIqlBPmGmr/Yx01jciLQyGKM99SAyQYXyBmPsp+J5gTJNPP8lyi58OfP xnYWH0YZzdreGeREM66FS7JfBnx8aVuWOuA4w= Received: by 10.65.112.13 with SMTP id p13mr1065135qbm.99.1232688517685; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from noisy (bas3-ottawa23-1177565746.dsl.bell.ca [70.48.58.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s35sm18380651qbs.33.2009.01.22.21.28.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Ed Juskevicius" To: , , , , , Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your comments on revised proposed legend text to work-around the Pre-5378 Problem Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:29:33 -0500 Message-ID: <021163703E4B40E89DBCF5DF37683DBB@noisy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C97CF1.AB410F20" X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Importance: High Thread-Index: AclxuETcvNCPupucRASslmyMepJprwAFxkPAAr1YWpAAFH5tYA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Cc: 'Trustees' , "'Contreras, Jorge'" X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF-Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-bounces@ietf.org X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C97CF1.AB410F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This message is in follow-up to the IETF Trustees' request for community review (announced on January 6, 2009) on some new legend text intended to help authors work around the "pre-5378 problem". Please recall that some I-D authors have experienced difficulty implementing RFC5378 since it was published on November 10, 2008. An example of the difficulty is summarized below: - an author wants to include pre-5378 content in a new submission or contribution to the IETF, but - the author is not able to assert that every author of the pre-5378 content has agreed (or would agree) to license the earlier material for use outside of the IETF Standards Process As a result of the above situation, many authors have reported they can not submit or progress new contributions, because the legend text authorized by the Trustees in November 2008 had no provisions for dealing with this "pre-5378" problem. The Trustees met with legal counsel on January 22nd to discuss the comments and suggestions which you have provided since January 6th. We have received many excellent suggestions for ways to clarify and improve the draft legend text, and we are grateful for this. Based on the feedback received to date, the Trustees are now proposing a few changes to the draft legend text. The 'old' legend text (as posted for community review on 2009-01-06) was: > 6. Text To Be Included in IETF Documents > c. Derivative Works and Publication Limitations > iii. If a Contribution includes Pre-5378 Material and the Contributor > does not wish to allow modifications of such Pre-5378 Material to be > made outside the IETF Standards Process: > > This document contains material from IETF Documents or IETF Contributions > published before November 10, 2008 and, to the Contributor's knowledge, > the person(s) controlling the copyright in such material have not granted > the IETF Trust the right to allow modifications of such material outside > the IETF Standards Process. Without obtaining an adequate license from > the person(s) controlling the copyright, this document may not be modified > outside the IETF Standards Process, and derivative works of it may not be > created outside the IETF Standards Process, except to format it for > publication as an RFC and to translate it into languages other than > English. The updated proposed legend text based on the discussion to date is as follows: This document may contain material from IETF Documents or IETF Contributions published or made publicly available before November 10, 2008. The person(s) controlling the copyright in some of this material may not have granted the IETF Trust the right to allow modifications of such material outside the IETF Standards Process. Without obtaining an adequate license from the person(s) controlling the copyright in such materials, this document may not be modified outside the IETF Standards Process, and derivative works of it may not be created outside the IETF Standards Process, except to format it for publication as an RFC and to translate it into languages other than English. The Trustees invite your comments on the updated proposed legend text. We believe the updated text incorporates the feedback we have received to date, and we hope it clarifies the proposed legend. The Trustees will meet again in early February to decide on whether to revise the Trust License Policy based on the ongoing community discussion. If so decided, a revision to the Trust's "Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents" policy will be published. Please refer to the attached PDF file for an example of how the Legal Provisions document might look if today's update to proposed legend text is adopted. A softcopy is available on the IETF Trust website under the heading "DRAFT Policy and Procedures Being Developed" at: http://trustee.ietf.org/policyandprocedures.html If you have any comments on the updated proposed legend text, please post them before the end of February 7th. The Trustees need to decide on whether to adopt the proposed legend text, and then communicate our decision to you on or before February 15th. Please give this your attention. 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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 26 01:44:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8C73A6997; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:44:46 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D483A6997 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:44:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.763 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.763 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.164, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6GaJ5BuLq8Gv for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ripe.net [193.0.19.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BB33A6914 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LRO0w-00058Y-LV; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:44:21 +0100 Received: from geir.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3AA2F583; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:44:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <497D8272.80108@ripe.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:29:22 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: <49789498.3040801@internet2.edu> In-Reply-To: X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d502cb8142c04a35fd1143e520af148293 Cc: Matthew J Zekauskas , IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-06.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi, > Section 2.7., paragraph 1: > > Refer to section 2.7 of [RFC2680] > > Section 2.7 of [RFC2680] contains a lot of stuff that doesn't seem to > be relevant to duplication. We may need to extract the relevant bits > and place them here. (The other sections in this document that refer > to 2680/3432 point to sections there that seem general enough.) I've tried that and then ended up with about half the text of 2680. What did survive, didn't make much sense anymore, so the whole section had to be re-written. And then nobody would realize that this was simply extracted from 2680 anymore. Looking at it from a more practical point of view. I'd expect that this metric is used as part of a measurement system that measures properties of packets (delay, loss, jitter, reordering, duplication). The tricky part is to set up the delay, with all clock issues related to that. Once you have done that, all others are simple. Some of the clock stuff for delay may be overkill for the other metrics, but who cares? > Section 2.4., paragraph 2: > Same text appears in the first bullet above. Copy/paste issue? Yes, fixed. This is probably caused by having to do 3 versions with very small changes over a relatively long period. > Section 2.4., paragraph 5: > > If a packet is fragmented during transport and if, for whatever > > reason, re-assembly does not occur, then the packet will be deemed > > lost. It is thus not included in the Type-P-one-way-packet-arrival- > > count. > > I'm a bit confused by the "re-assembly does not occur" part. Couldn't > we simply say that this metric can on only be meaningfully applied to > IP packets after reassembly? I don't think the latter is correct. Suppose a packet A is split into A1 and A2. A1 is duplicated during transport, A2 isn't. My receiver thus gets A1, A2, A1*. It merges A1 and A2, then has A1* left in its buffers and will be waiting for the other half to arrive. One could argue that there is duplication and Type-P-o-w-p-a-c should be >1. In the metric, we have decided to consider these remnants lost and set the value to 1. > Section 2.5., paragraph 3: > s/should/SHOULD/ (and why not MUST?) MUST is indeed better. (At least I cannot think of a reason why you would use different timeouts). > > > Section 9.2., paragraph 2: > This must become a normative reference, because 4.2.5, 4.2.6 and 4.2.7 > simply point off to it. Fixed. I have a -07 version on my laptop ready to go if there are no further comments. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Belgium: an unsolvable problem, discussed in endless meetings, with no hope for a solution, where everybody still lives happily. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From karbar@ama-assn.org Mon Jan 26 01:57:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E5B3A697E for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:57:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -32.385 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.385 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=1.778, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, TVD_PH_SUBJ_META=0, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E4anRiKDR6KY for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from accenture.com (unknown [201.137.138.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B56B3A68F7 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:57:41 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Your payment has been sent From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090126095743.7B56B3A68F7@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:57:41 -0800 (PST)
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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 26 02:01:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F94A3A697E; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:01:41 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59B13A697E for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:01:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pOVQUVfvTe+e for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850E53A6914 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74] ([IPv6:2001:2060:40:2:219:e3ff:fe06:dc74]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.fit.nokia.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0QA14Aj005201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:01:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from lars.eggert@nokia.com) Message-Id: From: Lars Eggert To: Henk Uijterwaal In-Reply-To: <497D8272.80108@ripe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:01:04 +0200 References: <49789498.3040801@internet2.edu> <497D8272.80108@ripe.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (mail.fit.nokia.com [IPv6:2001:2060:40:1::123]); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:01:15 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8902/Mon Jan 26 06:21:29 2009 on fit.nokia.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Matthew J Zekauskas , IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-06.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2141911342==" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --===============2141911342== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-39--893689533; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" --Apple-Mail-39--893689533 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, On 2009-1-26, at 11:29, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: >> Section 2.4., paragraph 5: >>> If a packet is fragmented during transport and if, for whatever >>> reason, re-assembly does not occur, then the packet will be deemed >>> lost. It is thus not included in the Type-P-one-way-packet- >>> arrival- >>> count. >> >> I'm a bit confused by the "re-assembly does not occur" part. >> Couldn't >> we simply say that this metric can on only be meaningfully applied >> to >> IP packets after reassembly? > > I don't think the latter is correct. Suppose a packet A is split > into A1 > and A2. A1 is duplicated during transport, A2 isn't. My receiver > thus > gets A1, A2, A1*. It merges A1 and A2, then has A1* left in its > buffers > and will be waiting for the other half to arrive. One could argue > that > there is duplication and Type-P-o-w-p-a-c should be >1. > > In the metric, we have decided to consider these remnants lost and set > the value to 1. right, that's exactly what I was trying to express. The metric only applies to packets after reassembly, and because no A2* is received, there is no duplicate. I may have simply been confused by the wording in the draft, but if it was clear to everyone else so far, leave it as-is. > I have a -07 version on my laptop ready to go if there are no further > comments. Submit it and we'll go to IETF last call then. 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From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 27 01:44:54 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276A128C105; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:44:54 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A339D28C0EE for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:44:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.728 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.728 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.129, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y5KJRmcupu23 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from postlady.ripe.net (postlady.ripe.net [193.0.19.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8053028C13A for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postlady.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LRkUV-0001bO-2O; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:44:21 +0100 Received: from geir.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F405F2F583; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:44:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <497ED772.8040102@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:44:18 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: <49789498.3040801@internet2.edu> <497D8272.80108@ripe.net> In-Reply-To: X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5c927d2e7a5cd63bd300f78112eb5b4dc Cc: Matthew J Zekauskas , IETF IPPM WG Subject: Re: [ippm] AD review: draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-06.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Hi Lars, >> I have a -07 version on my laptop ready to go if there are no further >> comments. > > Submit it and we'll go to IETF last call then. Done. Henk -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Belgium: an unsolvable problem, discussed in endless meetings, with no hope for a solution, where everybody still lives happily. _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 27 01:45:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5919828C193; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:45:04 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@ietf.org Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id D64533A6BD2; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090127094501.D64533A6BD2@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:45:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: ippm@ietf.org Subject: [ippm] I-D Action:draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-07.txt X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IP Performance Metrics Working Group of the IETF. Title : A One-Way Packet Duplication Metric Author(s) : H. Uijterwaal Filename : draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-07.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2009-01-27 When a packet is sent from one host to the other, one normally expects that exactly one copy of the packet that was sent arrives at the destination. It is, however, possible that a packet is either lost or that multiple copies arrive. In earlier work a metric for packet loss has been defined. This metric quantifies the case where a packet that is sent, does not arrive at its destination within a reasonable time. In this memo, a metric for another case is defined: a packet is sent, but multiple copies arrive. The document also discusses streams and methods to summarize the results of streams. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-07.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-ippm-duplicate-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-01-27014353.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ ippm mailing list ippm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ippm --NextPart-- From ippm-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jan 27 02:03:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ippm-archive@megatron.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ippm-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64AA3A6BC6; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:03:11 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ippm@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6CCC3A6BC6 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.695 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.695 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.904, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hMdn7YzjUPCw for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9053F3A6A46 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from herring.ripe.net ([193.0.1.203]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LRkmN-0002AM-KT for ippm@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:02:50 +0100 Received: from geir.local (gw.office.nsrp.ripe.net [193.0.1.126]) by herring.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C43D2F592 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:02:47 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <497EDBC7.8080908@ripe.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:02:47 +0100 From: Henk Uijterwaal User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ippm >> IETF IPPM WG" X-RIPE-Spam-Level: ---- X-RIPE-Signature: e0cdef1f45f89a40ad608d255b27e7d5df585e78d9c61dd1edceaa5cea2ee984 Subject: [ippm] Getting ready for San Fransisco X-BeenThere: ippm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF IP Performance Metrics Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ippm-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ippm-bounces@ietf.org IPPM group, We're about 2 months away from our next meeting in San Fransisco, which means that now is the time to start preparing it. 1. If you want to present something in SF, please send us a note and we'll put you on the agenda. 2. Our new charter will probably be approved in the next weeks or so. There is consensus about the text. That means that we are ready to accept drafts under the new charter. If you do plan to write a draft, please let us know. Include title, authors, ETA for the first and final versions, etc. 3. We do have a few open items from Minneapolis. = Roman to review the composition drafts. = Al to ask the list for feedback on the Reflect Octets feature and the individual session control for TWAMP 4. Things your chairs did since MPLS: 1. The duplicate draft is on the desk of the IESG. 2. The delay variation AS document passed the IESG and is on its way to become a RFC. 3. The new charter. 5. Things your chairs still plan to do before SF (in random order): 1. WGLC on the composition draft 2. Forward the multimetrics draft to the IESG 3. Add milestones to our new charter. 4. WGLC on the more TWAMP draft. 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