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All,

The agenda slides for the MFD session are available at=

<ftp://= ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pdf>

<ftp:/= /ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pptx>

 

Please let me know if there are any adjustments you wo= uld like to make

 

Pete

 

 =

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 


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Th= e August 2010 PWG face-to-face meeting is currently scheduled from August 3= rd to the 5th in Bagsvaerd, Denmark, hosted by MPI Tech. This week was= chosen since it follows the the IETF summer meeting (July 25-30) in Maastr= icht, Netherlands.

Due to the location, we also need to determine if= sufficient members will be able to attend and are asking for your response= before April 6, 2010.

You can complete the survey (= all of five questions including your name and company) online at:

Th= ank you!

__________________________________________________________= ______________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PW= G Chair






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Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:20:02 -0700 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Message-Id: <19F58320-ACF4-451A-B366-A39AA8710EC8@apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [Pwg-Announce] April IPP Agenda and IPP Everywhere slides now available X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: B080279234.AC831 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org All, I've put the April IPP slides up at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-wg-agenda-april-10.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/slides/ipp-everywhere-bof-april-10.pdf ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ pwg-announce mailing list pwg-announce@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce From ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org Thu Apr 1 23:29:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1568A3A68E2 for ; 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Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ pwg-announce mailing list pwg-announce@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Mon Apr 5 23:44:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D05A3A679F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:44:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DVMTH8kMbGJn for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC99C3A68B0 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64020791B0; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:43:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE19791B0 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 02:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 26iE1e0051ZXKqc5A6jZGj; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:43:33 +0000 Received: from sz0026.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.74]) by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 26nH1e0051c5Ti43h6nHkP; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 06:47:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 06:43:33 +0000 (UTC) From: wamwagner@comcast.net To: Peter Zehler Message-ID: <1326935631.1735341270536213644.JavaMail.root@sz0026a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [66.206.83.22] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.19_GA_3172.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/5.0.19_GA_3177.RHEL5_64) X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: pwg-announce@pwg.org, mfd@pwg.org Subject: [Pwg-Announce] Re: [MFD] The Agenda slides for the MFD session at next week's Face to Face are available X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1923096023==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 64020791B0.AC66C X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============1923096023== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_92101_131557542.1270536213643" ------=_Part_92101_131557542.1270536213643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have posted an update to the MFD-Overall spec for consideration during th= e MFD .Face-to-face meeting. The various versions are posted at:=20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.pdf=20 frp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.doc=20 and=20 ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329rl.pdf =C2=A0 (red li= ned to show chages, but impossible to read)=20 Bill Wagner=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Peter Zehler" =20 To: mfd@pwg.org, pwg-announce@pwg.org=20 Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:24:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: [MFD] The Agenda slides for the MFD session at next week's Face to= Face are available=20 All,=20 The agenda slides for the MFD session are available at=20 < ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pdf > rious=20 < ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pptx >=20 Please let me know if there are any adjustments you would like to make=20 Pete=20 Peter Zehler=20 Xerox Research Center Webster=20 Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com=20 Voice: (585) 265-8755=20 FAX: (585) 265-7441=20 US Mail: Peter Zehler=20 Xerox Corp.=20 800 Phillips Rd.=20 M/S 128-25E=20 Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is=20 believed to be clean.=20 _______________________________________________ mfd mailing list mfd@pwg.or= g https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/mfd --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_Part_92101_131557542.1270536213643 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>

I have= posted an update to the MFD-Overall spec for consideration during the MFD = .Face-to-face meeting. The various versions are posted at:

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.pdf

frp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallm= od10-20100329.doc

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Bill Wagner

 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Zehler" <Peter.Zehle= r@xerox.com>
To: mfd@pwg.org, pwg-announce@pwg.org
Sent: Thursday,= April 1, 2010 9:24:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MFD] Th= e Agenda slides for the MFD session at next week's Face to Face are availab= le

All,

The agenda slides for the MFD session are available at=

<ftp://ftp.= pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pdf> rious

<ftp://ftp.= pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pptx>

 

Please let me know if there are any adjustments you wo= uld like to make

 

Pete

 

 

Peter Zehler

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Email: Peter.= Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
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Due to a scheduling conflict, the F2F meeting for Wed,= April 7 will not start until 10:00 AM PST

 

Joe

 

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Joe Murdock=

Principal Engineer

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5750 NW Pacific Rim Bl= vd

Camas, WA 98607

(360) 817-7542

jmurdock@sharplabs.com

 


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From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Tue Apr 6 13:04:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0680C3A693E for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3BjmwPml0PoC for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2E63A67EF for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6845379215; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:04:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A5C791E9 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2B1D1e0031wpRvQ56L3loH; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:03:45 +0000 Received: from sz0026.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.74]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 2L761e00Q1c5Ti43eL766Q; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 20:07:06 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:03:45 +0000 (UTC) From: wamwagner@comcast.net To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Message-ID: <826655439.2032391270584225444.JavaMail.root@sz0026a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1590687127.2028891270583932435.JavaMail.root@sz0026a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [216.65.151.102] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.19_GA_3172.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/5.0.19_GA_3177.RHEL5_64) X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: mfd@pwg.org Subject: [Pwg-Announce] Re: [MFD] The Agenda slides for the MFD session at next week's Face to Face are available X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0634549615==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 6845379215.AC902 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============0634549615== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_107164_320824905.1270584225443" ------=_Part_107164_320824905.1270584225443 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Corrections!=20 I have posted an update to the MFD-Overall spec for consideration during th= e MFD .Face-to-face meeting. The various versions are posted at:=20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.pdf=20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.doc=20 and=20 ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/ wd-mfdoverallmid10-20100329rl.pdf=C2=A0 (= red lined to show changes, but impossible to read)=20 Bill Wagner=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Peter Zehler" =20 To: mfd@pwg.org, pwg-announce@pwg.org=20 Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 9:24:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: [MFD] The Agenda slides for the MFD session at next week's Face to= Face are available=20 All,=20 The agenda slides for the MFD session are available at=20 < ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pdf > rious=20 < ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pptx >=20 Please let me know if there are any adjustments you would like to make=20 Pete=20 Peter Zehler=20 Xerox Research Center Webster=20 Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com=20 Voice: (585) 265-8755=20 FAX: (585) 265-7441=20 US Mail: Peter Zehler=20 Xerox Corp.=20 800 Phillips Rd.=20 M/S 128-25E=20 Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is=20 believed to be clean.=20 _______________________________________________ mfd mailing list mfd@pwg.or= g https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/mfd=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is=20 believed to be clean.=20 _______________________________________________ mfd mailing list mfd@pwg.or= g https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/mfd --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_Part_107164_320824905.1270584225443 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>

Correc= tions!


 

I have posted an update to the MFD-Overall spec for consideration during= the MFD .Face-to-face meeting. The various versions are posted at:

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd= /wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoveral= lmod10-20100329.doc

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ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/<= FONT color=3D#810081>wd-mfdoverallmid10-20100329rl.pdf  (red lined to = show changes, but impossible to read)

 

 

Bill Wagner

 


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To: mfd@pwg.org, pwg-announce@pwg.org
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Subject: [MFD] Th= e Agenda slides for the MFD session at next week's Face to Face are availab= le

All,

The agenda slides for the MFD session are available at=

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<ftp://ftp.= pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/minutes/MFD-Agenda-Apr-10.pptx>

 

Please let me know if there are any adjustments you wo= uld like to make

 

Pete

 

 

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believed to be clean. ------=_Part_107164_320824905.1270584225443-- --===============0634549615== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ pwg-announce mailing list pwg-announce@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce --===============0634549615==-- From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 7 03:54:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611263A694F for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 03:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.423 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.001, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zCWHxywQqc1m for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 03:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A203A6861 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 03:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170DF79227; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4610479224 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 06:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FamilyRoom ([unknown] [173.60.199.186]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L0I00F756857RP0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for ipp@pwg.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2010 05:52:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Hastings" To: References: <19D27CBD7E57466E8AA8346B8DA2BF98@FamilyRoom> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:52:53 -0700 Message-id: <7F9440B3E56A4EA68438FF3C73703A43@FamilyRoom> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcrRMvgcccSJ5Ok3QaqI+bBPxcjOiAFCrhJQ X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: <19D27CBD7E57466E8AA8346B8DA2BF98@FamilyRoom> X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] {Disarmed} I've uploaded v24 [sic] of JPS2 for face to face; but 4 issues remain - PLEASE REPLY before the face2face X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0361954270==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 170DF79227.ABBC3 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0361954270== Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03EC_01CAD605.CDF6BB00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03EC_01CAD605.CDF6BB00 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_03ED_01CAD605.CDF6BB00" ------=_NextPart_001_03ED_01CAD605.CDF6BB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've uploaded v24 [sic] of JPS2 for the face to face meeting today: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-rev.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-rev.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-clean.pd f ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-clean.do c I answered the four issues listed below myself, since no one else responded. The change log for v24 is: 17.16 April 2010 (v24) 1. Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime), and Figure 4 - Time Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4 normal Jobs: Added new 'job-delay-output-until-suspended' value for "job-state-reasons" attribute when the job is suspended in the 'processing-stopped' state waiting for the delay period or date-time to arrive. 2. Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime): Changed from using 'job-hold-until-specified' value for "job-state-reasons" attribute for implementations that cannot partially process the job before the delay output period or date-time arrives to always use the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value. 3. Section 10.3 job-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) Job Description attribute" Added definition for "job-delay-output-until-specified" value. 4. Section 10.3 job-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) Job Description attribute" Added definition for "job-delay-output-until-suspended" value. The four ISSUES were: ISSUE 1: What "job-state-reasons" value should an implementation use that is treating "job-delay-output-until[-time] the same as "job-hold-until[-time]" and puts the job into 'pending-held': 'job-delay-output-until-specified' vs. 'job-hold-until-specified' I changed to always use 'job-delay-output-until-specified' for all implementations. It's simpler to describe. ISSUE 2: We don't have a description for the new 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for "job-state-reasons". I added these: 'job-delay-output-until-specified': The value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job Template attribute was specified with a time period or date-time, respectively, that is still in the future. The job MUST NOT produce output until this reason is removed (whether or not the implementation holds the job - see sections 7.4 and 7.5. This value MUST be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported. 'job-delay-output-until-suspended': The value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job Template attribute was specified with a time period or date-time, respectively, that is still in the future AND the implementation has partially processed the job but has suspended the job and put the job into the 'processing-stopped' state until the time period or the date-time arrives while allowing other jobs to be processed and product output (see sections 7.4 and 7.5). This value MUST be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported with the implementation that puts the job into 'processing-stopped' state (see sections 7.4 and 7.5). ISSUE 3: Is the Sequence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the implementation that processes other jobs after the delay output job has partially processed before the delay date-time arrives)? Figure[th1] <> 4 - Time Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4 normal Jobs ISSUE 4: OK that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason? No, I changed so that all implementations use 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value whether they hold the job or not. The "job-state" says 'pending-held' if the implementation holds the job. Tom P.S. I should have said v23 and v22 in the following email: _____ From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hastings Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:34 To: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] {Disarmed} I've uploaded v33 of JPS2 for face to face; but 4 issues remain - PLEASE REPLY before the face2face I've uploaded v33 of JPS2 for the face to face meeting next week: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-rev.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-rev.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.pdf ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.doc ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-clean.pd f ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-clean.do c The change log for v33 and v32 is: 17.130 March 2010 (v23) 1. Section 5.3 Close-Job Operation: Added sub-sections for Close-Job Request and Response. 2. Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs: Improved figure and added sub-states of Waiting for Marker to the 'processing' state and Waiting for Processor to the 'processing-stopped' state. 17.229 March 2010 (v22) - during telecon 1. Fixed some things in Figure 1, Figure 2, and Figure 3. 2. Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs: Added this Figure. 3. Section 12 IANA Considerations: Assigned the part number 11 for this PWG 5100.11 document. 4. Section 12.3 Type2 enum attribute value registrations: Assigned enum hex values to Cancel-Jobs (0x0038), Cancel-My-Jobs (0x0039), Resubmit-Job (0x003A), and Close-Job (0x003B) - to agree with IPP 2.0 document. There are still 4 issues to resolve. I'd like to start the discussion on the email list, since we have only three quarters of an hour at the face to face. They are: ISSUE 1: What "job-state-reasons" value should an implementation use that is treating "job-delay-output-until[-time] the same as "job-hold-until[-time]" and puts the job into 'pending-held': 'job-delay-output-until-specified' vs. 'job-hold-until-specified' ISSUE 2: We don't have a description for the new 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for "job-state-reasons". ISSUE 3: Is the Sequence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the implementation that processes other jobs after the delay output job has partially processed before the delay date-time arrives)? Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs Here is the current text for helping to resolve ISSUE 1 and ISSUE 2: 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime) The OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute permits the client to specify a date and time in the future after which the Printer is to delay the output. If the specified date and time has not yet arrived, the Printer MUST set the job's "job-state-reasons" value to 'job-delay-output-until-specified'. However, the Printer MAY perform processing before the specified date and time occurs, but the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the date and time occurs. A Flow Diagram for Job Creation with the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute is shown in Figure 2 below. A Sequence Diagram for a job with "job-hold-until-time", a job with "job-delay-output-until-time", and 4 ordinary print jobs is shown in Figure 4 below. The semantics of the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute are similar to the "job-hold-until-time" Job Template attribute (see Section 7.6 and Table 6, except that for the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute the job is not put into the 'pending-held' state while waiting for the date and time to occur. Instead, the Printer MAY process the job normally (i.e., by putting the job into the 'pending' and 'processing' states). However, the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the specified date and time occurs. If the Printer completes the processing and the specified date and time has not yet occurred, the Printer MUST put the job in the 'processing-stopped' state and MUST NOT delay processing or output for any other jobs while waiting for the specified date and time to occur. When the date and time does occur, the Printer MUST remove the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value from the job's "job-state-reasons" attribute. Then the job can be scheduled and processed, i.e., the job enters the 'processing' state and produces the output. The current text has the following statement that allows an implementation to implement "job-delay-output-until[-time]" the same as "job-hold-until[-time]": If the Printer implementation is not able to put such delayed output jobs into the 'processing-stopped' state and process other jobs, the Printer implementation MUST behave identically to that of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute and put the job into the 'pending-held' state immediately (instead of 'pending' and 'processing'), set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-until-specified' (instead of 'job-delay-output-until-specified')[th2] <> , and wait for the specified date and time to occur to begin processing the job (see the description of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute in 7.6). I favor REQUIRING such an implementation that is behaving like "job-hold-until[-time] to use the "job-state-reasons" value that goes with "job-hold-until[-time], namely 'job-hold-until-specified', which (always) holds the job in any implementation. I thought it would be confusing to Printer implementers, clients, and users, if the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value either held a job or did not depending on implementation. Here is my proposal for the 'job-delay-output-specified' "job-state-reasons" value to go into section 10.3 where the other new values are specified: 'job-delay-output-specified[th3] <> ': The value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute was specified with a time period that is still in the future AND the implementation is one which is able to partially process the job without producing any output until the delay period occurs or the date and time arrives while allowing other jobs to process and produce output in the meantime. This value MUST [th4] <> be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported with an implementation that starts processing the job before the delay period occurs or the date and time arrives. Otherwise, the implemenation MUST use the 'job-hold-until-specified' value. See sections 7.4 and 7.5. It is parallel to the [rfc2911] 'job-hold-until-specified' value which is: 'job-hold-until-specified': The value of the job's "job-hold-until" attribute was specified with a time period that is still in the future. The job MUST NOT be a candidate for processing until this reason is removed and there are no other reasons to hold the job. This value SHOULD be supported if the "job-hold-until" Job Template attribute is supported. Please reply with comments before the face to face. Thanks, Tom -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _____ [th1] <> ISSUE: OK to add the 'job-delay-output-until-suspended' "job-state-reasons" value? ISSUE 1: OK that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason? ISSUE 2: This description OK? ISSUE 4: OK to make this a MUST when RFC 2911 has SHOULD? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_001_03ED_01CAD605.CDF6BB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ve uploaded v24 [sic] of JPS2 for the face to fa= ce meeting today:

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-201004= 06-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-201004= 06-rev.doc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.p= df

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.d= oc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-2010= 0406-clean.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-2010= 0406-clean.doc

 

I answered the four issues listed below myself, since no one else responded.

 

The change log for v24 is:<= /span>

= 17.16 April 2010 (v24)

1. = ;      Section 7.4 job-delay-output-u= ntil (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (= dateTime), and Figure 4 - Time Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output,= and 4 normal Jobs:  Added new 'job-delay-output-until-suspended' valu= e for "job-state-reasons" attribute when the job is suspended in the 'processing-stopped' state waiting for the delay period or date-time to arr= ive.

2. = ;      Section 7.4 job-delay-output-u= ntil (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (= dateTime): Changed from using 'job-hold-until-specified' value for "jo= b-state-reasons" attribute for implementations that cannot partially process the job before = the delay output period or date-time arrives to always use the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value.

3. = ;      Section 10.3 job-state-reasons= (1setOf type2 keyword) Job Description attribute" Added definition for "job-delay-output-until-specified" value.

4. = ;      Section 10.3 job-state-reasons= (1setOf type2 keyword) Job Description attribute" Added definition for "job-delay-output-until-suspended" value.

The four ISSUES were:

 

ISSUE 1:  What “job-state-reasons” value should an implementation use that is treating “job-delay-output-until[-time] the same as “job-hold-until[-time]” and puts the job into ‘pending-held’:

‘job-delay-output-until-specified̵= 7; vs.

‘job-hold-until-specified’

 

I changed to always use ‘= ;job-delay-output-until-specified’ for all implementations.  It’s simpler to describe. <= /span>

 

ISSUE 2: We donR= 17;t have a description for the new ‘j= ob-delay-output-until-specified’ value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for “job-state-reasons”.

 

         &n= bsp;  I added these:

 

= 'job-delay-output-until-specified': The value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job Template attribute was specifi= ed with a time period or date-time, respectively, that is still in the future.  The job MUST NOT produce output until this reason is removed (whether or not the implementat= ion holds the job - see sections 7.4 and 7.5.  This value MUST be supporte= d if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported= .

 

= 'job-delay-output-until-suspended': The value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job Template attribute was specifi= ed with a time period or date-time, respectively, that is still in the future = AND the implementation has partially processed the job but has suspended the job and put the job into the 'processing-stopped' state until the time period or the date-time arrives while allowing other jobs to be processed and product output (see sections 7.4 and 7.5).  This value MUST be supported if th= e "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported with the implementation that puts the job into 'processing-stopped' state (= see sections 7.4 and 7.5).

 

ISSUE 3: Is the Seq= uence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the implementation that processes other jobs a= fter the delay output job has partially processed before the delay date-time arrives)?

 

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held

pending

processing

(max 2)<= /o:p>

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Produce Outpu= t

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Job 1 "job-delay-output-until-time"= ; =3D A

Job 2 "job-hold-until-time" =3D B<= o:p>

Job 3

Job 4

Job 5

hold time B occurs<= /p>

Job 6

delay time A occurs=

Start Output

Job State Change state

Time

Key

State duration

Wait for Marker

while in <= span=20 class=3DmsoIns>'processing' state

Wait for Processor<= /p>

while in <= span=20 class=3DmsoIns>'processing-stopped' state

"job-state-reasons"=20 =3D 'job-delay-output-until-suspended'

Produce output

Figure[th1]  4 - Ti= me Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4 normal Jobs

 

 

ISSUE 4: OK= that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason?=

 

No, I changed so that all implementati= ons use ‘job-delay-output-until-specified’ value whether they hold = the job or not.  The “job-state” says ‘pending-held̵= 7; if the implementation holds the job.

 

Tom

 

P.S. I should have said v23 and v22 in= the following email:

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hastings
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2= 010 17:34
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: [IPP] {Disarmed} I'= ve uploaded v33 of JPS2 for face to face; but 4 issues remain - PLEASE REPLY before the face2face

 

I’ve uploaded v33 of JPS2 for the face to face mee= ting next week:

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-201003= 30-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-201003= 30-rev.doc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.p= df

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.d= oc

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-2010= 0330-clean.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-2010= 0330-clean.doc

 

The change log for v33 and v32 is:

17.130 March 2010 (v23)

1. = ;      Section 5.3 Close-Job Operatio= n: Added sub-sections for Close-Job Request and Response.

2. = ;      Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram fo= r 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs: Improved figure and added sub-sta= tes of Waiting for Marker to the 'processing' state and Waiting for Processor to the 'processing-stopped' state.

= 17.229 March 2010 (v22) - during telecon

1. = ;      Fixed some things in Figure 1, Figure 2, and Figure 3.

2. = ;      Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram fo= r 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs:  Added this Figure.

3. = ;      Section 12 IANA Considerations: Assigned the part number 11 for this PWG 5100.11 document.

4. = ;      Section 12.3 Type2 enum attrib= ute value registrations:  Assigned enum hex values to Cancel-Jobs (0x0038), Cancel-My-Jobs (0x0039), Resubmit-Job (0x003A), and Close-Job (0x003B) - to agree with IPP 2.0 document.

 

There are still 4 issues to resolve.  I’d lik= e to start the discussion on the email list, since we have only three quarters o= f an hour at the face to face.  They are:

 

ISSUE 1:  What “job-state-reasons” value should an implementation use that is treating “job-delay-output-until[-time] the same as “job-hold-until[-time]” and puts the job into ‘pending-held’:

‘job-delay-output-until-specified̵= 7; vs.

‘job-hold-until-specified’

 

ISSUE 2: We donR= 17;t have a description for the new ‘j= ob-delay-output-until-specified’ value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for “job-state-reasons”.<= span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>

 

ISSUE 3: Is the Seq= uence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the implementation that processes other jobs a= fter the delay output job has partially processed before the delay date-time arrives)?

 

<= !--[if gte vml 1]>

Job state progression

Jobs

pending-=

held

pending

processing

(max 2)<= /o:p>

processing-st= opped

Produce Outpu= t

(max 1) =

completed

Job 1 "job-delay-output-until-time"= ; =3D A

Job 2 "job-hold-until-time" =3D B<= o:p>

Job 3

Job 4

Job 5

hold time B occurs<= /p>

Job 6

delay time A occurs=

Start Output

Job State Change state

Time

Key

State duration

Wait for Marker

while in processing state<= /font>

Wait for Processor<= /p>

while in processing-stopped

Produce output

Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs

 

 

Here is the current text for helping to resolve ISSUE 1 and = ISSUE 2:

7.5   job-delay-output-u= ntil-time (dateTime)

The OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute per= mits the client to specify a date and time in the future after which the Printer= is to delay the output.  If the specified date and time has not yet arriv= ed, the Printer MUST set the job's "job-state-reasons" value to 'job-delay-output-until-specified'.  However, the Printer MAY perform processing before the specified date and time occurs, but the Printer MUST = NOT produce any output until the date and time occurs.  =

A Flow Diagram for Job Creation with the "job-delay-output-until-time&qu= ot; attribute is shown in Figure 2 below.  A Sequence Diagram for a job wi= th "job-hold-until-time", a job with "job-delay-output-until-time", and 4 ordinary print jobs is shown= in Figure 4 below.  The semantics of the "job-delay-output-until-tim= e" attribute are similar to the "job-hold-until-time" Job Template attribute (see Section 7.6 and Table 6, except that for the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute the job is not put into t= he 'pending-held' state while waiting for the date and time to occur.  Instead, the Printer MAY process the job normally (i.e., by putting the job into the 'pending' and 'processing' states).  However, the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the specified date and time occurs.  If t= he Printer completes the processing and the specified date and time has not yet occurred, the Printer MUST put the job in the 'processing-stopped' state and MUST NOT delay processing or output for any other jobs while waiting for the specified date and time to occur.  When the date and time does occur, = the Printer MUST remove the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value from the j= ob's "job-state-reasons" attribute.  Then the job can be scheduled and processed, i.e., the job enters the 'processing' state and produces the output.

The current text has the following statement that allows an implementation to implement “job-delay-output-until[-time]” the same as “job-hold-until[-time]”:

If the Printer implementation is not able to put such delayed output jobs into= the 'processing-stopped' state and process other jobs, the Printer implementati= on MUST behave identically to that of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute and put the job into the 'pending-held' state immediately (instea= d of 'pending' and 'processing'), set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-until-specified' (instead of 'job-delay-output-until-specified')<= /a>[th2] =  , and wait for the specified = date and time to occur to begin processing the job (see the description of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute in 7.6). 

 

 

I favor REQUIRIN= G such an implementation that is behaving like “job-hold-until[-time] to use= the “job-state-reasons” value that goes with “job-hold-until[-time], namely ‘job-hold-until-specified’, which (always) holds the job in any implementation.

 

I thought it wou= ld be confusing to Printer implementers, clients, and users, if the ‘job-delay-output-until-specified̵= 7; value either held a job or did not depending on implementation.<= /span>

 

Here is my propo= sal for the ‘job-delay-output-specified’ “job-state-reasons” value to go into section 10.3 where the oth= er new values are specified:

 

'job-del= ay-output-specified[th3]  ': The value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or “job-delay-output-until-time” attribute was specified with a ti= me period that is still in the future AND the implementation is one which is a= ble to partially process the job without producing any output until the delay period occurs or the date and time arrives while allowing other jobs to pro= cess and produce output in the meantime.  This value MUST [th4]  be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or “job-delay-output-until-time= 221; Job Template attribute is supported with an implementation that starts processing the job before the delay period occurs or the date and time arrives.  Otherwise, the implemenation MUST use the ‘job-hold-until-specified’ value.  See sections 7.4 and 7.= 5.

 

It is parallel t= o the [rfc2911] ‘job-hold-until-specified’ value which is:=

'job-hold-until-specified':  The value of the job's "job-hold-until" attribute was specified w= ith a time period that is still in the future.  The job MUST NOT be a candidate for processi= ng until this reason is removed and there are no other reasons to hold the job.  This value SHOULD be supported if the "job-hold-until"= Job Template attribute is supported.  

 

Please reply with comments before the face to face.

 

Thanks,

Tom


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 [th1]<= /span>ISSUE: OK= to add the 'job-delay-output-until-suspended' "job-state-reasons" value?=

 ISSUE 1: = OK that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason?=

 ISSUE 2: = This description OK?

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relay16.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id E2.62.19588.F7B9CBB4; Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IPP] {Disarmed} I've uploaded v24 [sic] of JPS2 for face to face; but 4 issues remain - PLEASE REPLY before the face2face Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: <7F9440B3E56A4EA68438FF3C73703A43@FamilyRoom> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:49:34 -0700 Message-Id: References: <19D27CBD7E57466E8AA8346B8DA2BF98@FamilyRoom> <7F9440B3E56A4EA68438FF3C73703A43@FamilyRoom> To: Tom Hastings X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0496045321==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 7565979222.AA9A0 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============0496045321== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23-286799015 --Apple-Mail-23-286799015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:52 AM, Tom Hastings wrote: > I=92ve uploaded v24 [sic] of JPS2 for the face to face meeting today: >=20=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-rev.p= df > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-rev.d= oc > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.pdf > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.doc > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-clean= .pdf > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406-clean= .doc >=20=20 > I answered the four issues listed below myself, since no one else respond= ed. >=20=20 > The change log for v24 is: > 17.16 April 2010 (v24) >=20 > 1. Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), = Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime), and Figure 4 - Time Seq= uence Diagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4 normal Jobs: Added new 'jo= b-delay-output-until-suspended' value for "job-state-reasons" attribute whe= n the job is suspended in the 'processing-stopped' state waiting for the de= lay period or date-time to arrive. >=20 > 2. Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), = Section 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime): Changed from using 'job= -hold-until-specified' value for "job-state-reasons" attribute for implemen= tations that cannot partially process the job before the delay output perio= d or date-time arrives to always use the 'job-delay-output-until-specified'= value. >=20 > 3. Section 10.3 job-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) Job Descri= ption attribute" Added definition for "job-delay-output-until-specified" va= lue. >=20 > 4. Section 10.3 job-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) Job Descri= ption attribute" Added definition for "job-delay-output-until-suspended" va= lue. >=20 > The four ISSUES were: >=20=20 > ISSUE 1: What =93job-state-reasons=94 value should an implementation use= that is treating =93job-delay-output-until[-time] the same as =93job-hold-= until[-time]=94 and puts the job into =91pending-held=92: > =91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 vs. > =91job-hold-until-specified=92 >=20=20 > I changed to always use =91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 for all im= plementations. It=92s simpler to describe. I actually think that allowing implementations to treat job-delay-output-un= til like job-hold-until is causing us more grief than it is worth. If we el= iminate that loophole then the pending-held state is only used for jobs tha= t also have job-hold-until, which IMHO is just as easy to implement and is = a LOT cleaner! >=20=20 > ISSUE 2: We don=92t have a description for the new =91job-delay-output-un= til-specified=92 value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for =93job= -state-reasons=94. >=20=20 > I added these: >=20=20 > 'job-delay-output-until-specified': The value of the job's "job-delay-out= put-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job Template attribute was spe= cified with a time period or date-time, respectively, that is still in the = future. The job MUST NOT produce output until this reason is removed (whet= her or not the implementation holds the job - see sections 7.4 and 7.5. Th= is value MUST be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-ou= tput-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported. >=20=20 > 'job-delay-output-until-suspended': The value of the job's "job-delay-out= put-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job Template attribute was spe= cified with a time period or date-time, respectively, that is still in the = future AND the implementation has partially processed the job but has suspe= nded the job and put the job into the 'processing-stopped' state until the = time period or the date-time arrives while allowing other jobs to be proces= sed and product output (see sections 7.4 and 7.5). This value MUST be supp= orted if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-until-time" Job = Template attribute is supported with the implementation that puts the job i= nto 'processing-stopped' state (see sections 7.4 and 7.5). >=20=20 > ISSUE 3: Is the Sequence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the impleme= ntation that processes other jobs after the delay output job has partially = processed before the delay date-time arrives)? >=20=20 > >=20 > Figure[th1] 4 - Time Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4 = normal Jobs >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > ISSUE 4: OK that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" = to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so = that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason? >=20=20 > No, I changed so that all implementations use =91job-delay-output-until-s= pecified=92 value whether they hold the job or not. The =93job-state=94 sa= ys =91pending-held=92 if the implementation holds the job. >=20=20 > Tom >=20=20 > P.S. I should have said v23 and v22 in the following email: > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Tom H= astings > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:34 > To: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] {Disarmed} I've uploaded v33 of JPS2 for face to face; but= 4 issues remain - PLEASE REPLY before the face2face >=20=20 > I=92ve uploaded v33 of JPS2 for the face to face meeting next week: >=20=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-rev.p= df > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-rev.d= oc > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.pdf > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330.doc > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-clean= .pdf > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v23-20100330-clean= .doc >=20=20 > The change log for v33 and v32 is: > 17.130 March 2010 (v23) >=20 > 1. Section 5.3 Close-Job Operation: Added sub-sections for Close-Jo= b Request and Response. >=20 > 2. Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Re= gular Jobs: Improved figure and added sub-states of Waiting for Marker to t= he 'processing' state and Waiting for Processor to the 'processing-stopped'= state. >=20 > 17.229 March 2010 (v22) - during telecon >=20 > 1. Fixed some things in Figure 1, Figure 2, and Figure 3. >=20 > 2. Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Re= gular Jobs: Added this Figure. >=20 > 3. Section 12 IANA Considerations: Assigned the part number 11 for = this PWG 5100.11 document. >=20 > 4. Section 12.3 Type2 enum attribute value registrations: Assigned= enum hex values to Cancel-Jobs (0x0038), Cancel-My-Jobs (0x0039), Resubmit= -Job (0x003A), and Close-Job (0x003B) - to agree with IPP 2.0 document. >=20 >=20=20 > There are still 4 issues to resolve. I=92d like to start the discussion = on the email list, since we have only three quarters of an hour at the face= to face. They are: >=20=20 > ISSUE 1: What =93job-state-reasons=94 value should an implementation use= that is treating =93job-delay-output-until[-time] the same as =93job-hold-= until[-time]=94 and puts the job into =91pending-held=92: > =91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 vs. > =91job-hold-until-specified=92 >=20=20 > ISSUE 2: We don=92t have a description for the new =91job-delay-output-un= til-specified=92 value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for =93job= -state-reasons=94. >=20=20 > ISSUE 3: Is the Sequence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the impleme= ntation that processes other jobs after the delay output job has partially = processed before the delay date-time arrives)? >=20=20 > >=20 > Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > Here is the current text for helping to resolve ISSUE 1 and ISSUE 2: > 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime) >=20 > The OPTIONAL "job-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute permits= the client to specify a date and time in the future after which the Printe= r is to delay the output. If the specified date and time has not yet arriv= ed, the Printer MUST set the job's "job-state-reasons" value to 'job-delay-= output-until-specified'. However, the Printer MAY perform processing befor= e the specified date and time occurs, but the Printer MUST NOT produce any = output until the date and time occurs.=20 >=20 > A Flow Diagram for Job Creation with the "job-delay-output-until-time" at= tribute is shown in Figure 2 below. A Sequence Diagram for a job with "job= -hold-until-time", a job with "job-delay-output-until-time", and 4 ordinary= print jobs is shown in Figure 4 below. The semantics of the "job-delay-ou= tput-until-time" attribute are similar to the "job-hold-until-time" Job Tem= plate attribute (see Section 7.6 and Table 6, except that for the "job-dela= y-output-until-time" attribute the job is not put into the 'pending-held' s= tate while waiting for the date and time to occur. Instead, the Printer MA= Y process the job normally (i.e., by putting the job into the 'pending' and= 'processing' states). However, the Printer MUST NOT produce any output un= til the specified date and time occurs. If the Printer completes the proce= ssing and the specified date and time has not yet occurred, the Printer MUS= T put the job in the 'processing-stopped' state and MUST NOT delay processi= ng or output for any other jobs while waiting for the specified date and ti= me to occur. When the date and time does occur, the Printer MUST remove th= e 'job-delay-output-until-specified' value from the job's "job-state-reason= s" attribute. Then the job can be scheduled and processed, i.e., the job e= nters the 'processing' state and produces the output. >=20 > The current text has the following statement that allows an implementatio= n to implement =93job-delay-output-until[-time]=94 the same as =93job-hold-= until[-time]=94: > If the Printer implementation is not able to put such delayed output jobs= into the 'processing-stopped' state and process other jobs, the Printer im= plementation MUST behave identically to that of the "job-hold-until-time" a= ttribute and put the job into the 'pending-held' state immediately (instead= of 'pending' and 'processing'), set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-u= ntil-specified' (instead of 'job-delay-output-until-specified')[th2] , and= wait for the specified date and time to occur to begin processing the job = (see the description of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute in 7.6).=20 >=20 >=20=20 >=20=20 > I favor REQUIRING such an implementation that is behaving like =93job-hol= d-until[-time] to use the =93job-state-reasons=94 value that goes with =93j= ob-hold-until[-time], namely =91job-hold-until-specified=92, which (always)= holds the job in any implementation. >=20=20 > I thought it would be confusing to Printer implementers, clients, and use= rs, if the =91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 value either held a job o= r did not depending on implementation. >=20=20 > Here is my proposal for the =91job-delay-output-specified=92 =93job-state= -reasons=94 value to go into section 10.3 where the other new values are sp= ecified: >=20=20 > 'job-delay-output-specified[th3] ': The value of the job's "job-delay-ou= tput-until" or =93job-delay-output-until-time=94 attribute was specified wi= th a time period that is still in the future AND the implementation is one = which is able to partially process the job without producing any output unt= il the delay period occurs or the date and time arrives while allowing othe= r jobs to process and produce output in the meantime. This value MUST [th4= ] be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or =93job-delay-output-unti= l-time=94 Job Template attribute is supported with an implementation that s= tarts processing the job before the delay period occurs or the date and tim= e arrives. Otherwise, the implemenation MUST use the =91job-hold-until-spe= cified=92 value. See sections 7.4 and 7.5. >=20=20 > It is parallel to the [rfc2911] =91job-hold-until-specified=92 value whic= h is: > 'job-hold-until-specified': The value of the job's "job-hold-until" attr= ibute was specified with a time period that is still in the future. The jo= b MUST NOT be a candidate for processing until this reason is removed and t= here are no other reasons to hold the job. This value SHOULD be supported = if the "job-hold-until" Job Template attribute is supported.=20=20 >=20=20 > Please reply with comments before the face to face. >=20=20 > Thanks, > Tom >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. > [th1]ISSUE: OK to add the 'job-delay-output-until-suspended' "job-state-= reasons" value? > ISSUE 1: OK that such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons"= to 'job-hold-specified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so= that "job-delay-output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason? > ISSUE 2: This description OK? > ISSUE 4: OK to make this a MUST when RFC 2911 has SHOULD? >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail-23-286799015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
= I=92ve uploaded v24 [sic] of JPS2 for the face to face meeting t= oday:
I answered the four issues listed below myself= , since no one else responded.
 
The change log for v24 is:

17.16 April 2010 (v24)

1.       Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), Section= 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime), and Figure 4 - Time Sequence D= iagram for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4 normal Jobs:  Added new 'job-= delay-output-until-suspended' value for "job-state-reasons" attribute when = the job is suspended in the 'processing-stopped' state waiting for the dela= y period or date-time to arrive.

2.       <= /font>Section 7.4 job-delay-output-until (type3 keyword | name(MAX)), Secti= on 7.5 job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime): Changed from using 'job-hold= -until-specified' value for "job-state-reasons" attribute for implementatio= ns that cannot partially process the job before the delay output period or = date-time arrives to always use the 'job-delay-output-until-specified' valu= e.

3.       Section 10.3 job-state-r= easons (1setOf type2 keyword) Job Description attribute" Added definition f= or "job-delay-output-until-specified" value.

4.     = ;  Section 10.3 job-state-reasons (1setOf type2 keyword) Job= Description attribute" Added definition for "job-delay-output-until-suspen= ded" value.

The four ISSUES = were:
&= nbsp;
ISSUE 1:  What =93jo= b-state-reasons=94 value should an implementation use that is treating =93j= ob-delay-output-until[-time] the same as =93job-hold-until[-time]=94 and pu= ts the job into =91pending-held=92:
=91= job-delay-output-until-specified= =92 vs.
=91job-hold-until-specified=92
 
I changed to always use =91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 for = all implementations.  It=92s simpler to describe.
<= /div>

I actually think that allowin= g implementations to treat job-delay-output-until like job-hold-until is ca= using us more grief than it is worth. If we eliminate that loophole then th= e pending-held state is only used for jobs that also have job-hold-until, w= hich IMHO is just as easy to implement and is a LOT cleaner!

=
 
ISSUE 2: We don=92t have a description for= the new =91job-delay-output-until-s= pecified=92 value to go into section 10.3 Additional values for = =93job-state-reasons=94.
 
        =     I added these:
=  

'job-delay-output-until-specified': The value o= f the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job = Template attribute was specified with a time period or date-time, respectiv= ely, that is still in the future.  The job MUST NOT produce output until this reason is removed (whether or= not the implementation holds the job - see sections 7.4 and 7.5.  Thi= s value MUST be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-out= put-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported.

 

'job-delay-output-until-suspended': The value = of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or "job-delay-output-utntil-time" Job= Template attribute was specified with a time period or date-time, respecti= vely, that is still in the future AND the implementation has partially proc= essed the job but has suspended the job and put the job into the 'processin= g-stopped' state until the time period or the date-time arrives while allow= ing other jobs to be processed and product output (see sections 7.4 and 7.5= ).  This value MUST be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or "j= ob-delay-output-until-time" Job Template attribute is supported with the im= plementation that puts the job into 'processing-stopped' state (see section= s 7.4 and 7.5).

 
ISSUE= 3: Is the Sequence Diagram Figure 4 OK (it is drawn f= or the implementation that processes other jobs after the delay output job = has partially processed before the delay date-time arrives)?
 

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ISSUE 4: OK tha= t such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-spec= ified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-o= utput-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason?
 
No, I changed so th= at all implementations use =91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 value whe= ther they hold the job or not.  The =93job-state=94 says =91pending-he= ld=92 if the implementation holds the job.
 
Tom
 
P.S. I should have said v23 and v22 in the following email:
From: = ipp-bounces@pwg.org [= mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Tom Hastings
Sent:=  Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:34
To: ipp@pwg.org
Subject= : [IPP] {Disar= med} I've uploaded v33 of JPS2 for face to face; but 4 issues remain - PLEA= SE REPLY before the face2face
 
I=92ve uploaded v33 of JPS2 for the face to fac= e meeting next week:
 
 = ;
The change log for v33 and v32 is:

17.130 March 2010 (v23)

1.       = Section 5.3 Close-Job Operation: Added sub-sections for Close-Job Request a= nd Response.

2.       Figure 4 - Seq= uence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs: Improved figu= re and added sub-states of Waiting for Marker to the 'processing' state and= Waiting for Processor to the 'processing-stopped' state.

17.229 March 2010 (v22) - during telecon

1.       Fixe= d some things in Figure 1, Figure 2, and Figure 3.

2.   &nb= sp;   Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay O= utput, and 4 Regular Jobs:  Added this Figure.

3.   &nb= sp;   Section 12 IANA Considerations: Assigned the part= number 11 for this PWG 5100.11 document.

= 4.     &n= bsp; Section 12.3 Type2 enum attribute value registrations: = Assigned enum hex values to Cancel-Jobs (0x0038), Cancel-My-Jobs (0x0039),= Resubmit-Job (0x003A), and Close-Job (0x003B) - to agree with IPP 2.0 docu= ment.

 
There ar= e still 4 issues to resolve.  I=92d like to start the discussion on th= e email list, since we have only three quarters of an hour at the face to f= ace.  They are:
 
ISSUE 1:  What =93job-state-reaso= ns=94 value should an implementation use that is treating =93job-delay-outp= ut-until[-time] the same as =93job-hold-until[-time]=94 and puts the job in= to =91pending-held=92:
=91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 vs.=
=91job-hold-until-specified=92
 
ISSUE 2: We don=92t have a description for the new =91job-delay-output-until-specified=92 v= alue to go into section 10.3 Additional values for =93job-state-reasons=94.=
 
ISSUE 3<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; background-image: initia= l; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-back= ground-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color:= yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">: Is the Sequence Diagram = Figure 4 OK (it is drawn for the implementation that processes other jobs a= fter the delay output job has partially processed before the delay date-tim= e arrives)?
 

<= ;image004.gif>

<= a name=3D"_Ref257758681">Figure 4 - Sequence Diagram for 1 Hold, 1 Delay Output, and 4 Regular Jobs=

 
 
Here is the current text for helping to resolv= e ISSUE 1 and ISSUE 2:<= /font>

  &= nbsp;job-delay-output-until-time (dateTime)

The OPTIONAL "job-delay-outp= ut-until-time" Job Template attribute permits the client to specify a date = and time in the future after which the Printer is to delay the output. = ; If the specified date and time has not yet arrived, the Printer MUST set = the job's "job-state-reasons" value to 'job-delay-output-until-specified'.&= nbsp; However, the Printer MAY perform processing before the specified date= and time occurs, but the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the dat= e and time occurs. 

A Flow Diagram for Job Creation wi= th the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute is shown in Figure 2 below.&= nbsp; A Sequence Diagram for a job with "job-hold-until-time", a job with "= job-delay-output-until-time", and 4 ordinary print jobs is shown in Figure = 4 below.  The semantics of the "job-delay-output-until-time" attribute= are similar to the "job-hold-until-time" Job Template attribute (see Secti= on 7.6 and Table 6, except that for the "job-delay-output-until-time" attri= bute the job is not put into the 'pending-held' state while waiting for the= date and time to occur.  Instead, the Printer MAY process the job nor= mally (i.e., by putting the job into the 'pending' and 'processing' states)= .  However, the Printer MUST NOT produce any output until the specifie= d date and time occurs.  If the Printer completes the processing and t= he specified date and time has not yet occurred, the Printer MUST put the j= ob in the 'processing-stopped' state and MUST NOT delay processing or outpu= t for any other jobs while waiting for the specified date and time to occur= .  When the date and time does occur, the Printer MUST remove the 'job= -delay-output-until-specified' value from the job's "job-state-reasons" att= ribute.  Then the job can be scheduled and processed, i.e., the job en= ters the 'processing' state and produces the output.

= If the Printer implementation is no= t able to put such delayed output jobs into the 'processing-stopped' state = and process other jobs, the Printer implementation MUST behave identically = to that of the "job-hold-until-time" attribute and put the job into the 'pe= nding-held' state immediately (instead of 'pending' and 'processing'), set the "job-state-reasons= " to 'job-hold-until-specified' (instead of 'job-delay-output-until-specifi= ed')[th2] 

<= span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> 
 =
= I favor REQUIRING such an implementation that is behaving like =93job-hold-= until[-time] to use the =93job-state-reasons=94 value that goes with =93job= -hold-until[-time], namely =91job-ho= ld-until-specified=92, which (always) holds the job in any imple= mentation.
 
I thought it would be confusing to Printer imple= menters, clients, and users, if the =91 
Here is my proposal= for the =91job-delay-output-specified=92 =93job-state-reasons=94 value to = go into section 10.3 where the other new values are specified:
&= nbsp;

'job-delay-output-specified[th3] =  ': The= value of the job's "job-delay-output-until" or =93job-delay-output-until-t= ime=94 attribute was specified with a time period that is still in the futu= re AND the implementation is one which is able to partially process the job= without producing any output until the delay period occurs or the date and= time arrives while allowing other jobs to process and produce output in th= e meantime.  This value MUST [th4]  be supported if the "job-delay-output-until" or =93job-del= ay-output-until-time=94 Job Template attribute is supported with an impleme= ntation that starts processing the job before the delay period occurs or th= e date and time arrives.  Otherwise, the implemenation MUST use the = =91job-hold-until-specified=92 value.  See sections 7.4 and 7.5.<= /o:p>

 [th1]= ISSUE: OK to add the 'job-delay= -output-until-suspended' "job-state-reasons" value?
 ISSUE 1: OK th= at such an implementation MUST set the "job-state-reasons" to 'job-hold-spe= cified', instead of "job-delay-output-until-specified', so that "job-delay-= output-until-specified' is NEVER a hold reason?
 ISSUE 2: This des= cription OK?
 ISSUE 4:= OK to make this a MUST when RFC 2911 has SHOULD?
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From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Tue Apr 13 10:31:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F90928C10A for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OA3II0fQ0Xk5 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F48628C115 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D26E7924E; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:30:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-pv0-f174.google.com (mail-pv0-f174.google.com [74.125.83.174]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A327F7924C for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pva18 with SMTP id 18so3863640pva.5 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:30:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=V9Ei2v2rj1GQ/P8EOctURohUdlIUEONFzvSINZxbqyk=; b=u20TWei7LCI4It+tgxZo2w+0ZSj7lDG3LPKXUzA/TBFGrhK0S60ew9ZvZMLROQDtaE 7VDCjoC66uFI4upf2uLL35FBR/4rpxg3MzoiEH2K1qWaEMenC+WAK3nScJRqwiMKF8Ke 95h7duXdiM7Wy+GJyOUJzAvShH482vNuztdkw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ViY91WBSsLd5n5HP2u95w1YMcLcV8YAFYlHEEBXig4qGpYovKzrM4IASTQ8+Uuw++z iZp1tB6Uqa4BOlLP3xkJKwXkp4m9fJz33v0bNywyFn6N7zR9Ii/ESIKRiLQMKL5QyvN8 5JTp2tCh1iFwJN+x/I1rU7i4RVzDFkipD3r90= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.169.21 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:30:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BC39AA1.1020100@gmail.com> References: <4BC39AA1.1020100@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:30:11 -0400 Received: by 10.141.4.10 with SMTP id g10mr5788576rvi.179.1271179811533; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: pwg-announce@pwg.org, Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [Pwg-Announce] Fwd: OpenPrinting Summit 2010 - Google Reveals the Printing Stack of Chrome OS on the Summit! X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 6D26E7924E.AC633 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Hi, Google folks *will* be presenting info on Chrome OS printing this Thursday during the Open Printing Summit in San Francisco. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Till Kamppeter Date: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:11 PM Subject: OpenPrinting Summit 2010 - Google Reveals the Printing Stack of Chrome OS on the Summit! To: Ira McDonald , Hin-Tak Leung , peter sikking , kate price , Hitoshi Sekine , Michael Sweet , "twaugh@redhat.com" , George Liu Hi, Google will come to the OpenPrinting Summit with two managers and 4 engineers to present the printing infrastructure of the new Chrome OS, exactly at release time 3:30pm PDT on Thursday. 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Being foreign company makes it harder to manage sales transactions with
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4. Bank account


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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sat Apr 17 10:31:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69903A67AF for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.093, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lRZ47C0A-8UQ for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8243A6812 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362FB791DB; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:31:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-pz0-f202.google.com (mail-pz0-f202.google.com [209.85.222.202]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A513791CF for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pzk40 with SMTP id 40so2572669pzk.23 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:received:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=FK1lZDPqasUf5aOhTTiRAm0nEuP9WJJY+VA0Uz9paIs=; b=CifhcUuC+SFD8YcdKFalaZpGWc2kKsUTI++jcijGr/FMQP9d6eEtcHXzpyKrDzuGR6 S97GVVAG5Ncure6+4/xKnUyvCQnG+K4QTOImCa4GxgSySM1xWkxStlahfqO05leHvWq8 n0TAFOrlIHU2r5g0Xk8Z6FwTmlSn+LlJc8HUc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=DdZofx+2BZd/+HIUGRV/N/wb5ZmNQtBJF/Fu8JGiF8Xg0XmFiSkHY0tgs2uU+geFaU vAR0zf0lsK9u4edoSQFjcXgb5ONNdqfchsQ9Rj+0rLeM8a4P6bc++KKpWupakv7n2LrD lW5oCFKTsN6sMV8RIw1IHudhTGHAlY6PJiVN8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.169.21 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:30:56 -0400 Received: by 10.141.105.16 with SMTP id h16mr2908853rvm.274.1271525456517; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Tom Hastings , Paul Tykodi , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 19 April 2010 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 362FB791DB.A919B X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi, [watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Zehler can set up] Reminder of our next IPP WG call: Monday 19 April - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-3300 (Primary) Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-9570 (Backup) Attendee Access Code: *******# Attendee ID Code: # (empty) If you need the Attendee Access code, please email me a request. Agenda: (1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker - Mike? (2) Approve IPP minutes from April PWG F2F meeting - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20100407.pdf (3) PWG Formal Vote on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike/Ira) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf (4) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf (5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (Tom) - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.pdf (6) Next Steps - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 3 May - 4-5pm US EDT Cheers, - Ira (IPP co-editor) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sat Apr 17 10:37:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1773A68CF for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:37:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1YNwVIrAabwy for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DD63A6872 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0096C791E7; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:37:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-pv0-f174.google.com (mail-pv0-f174.google.com [74.125.83.174]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39340791E2 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pva18 with SMTP id 18so2237922pva.5 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:received:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mJLSxw6bVm0Sg+zMVQAltK/BaQm9QnfXlCNf9MSC4Pw=; b=czqugmG+Cz8EJSngxfyqwgpwU7J8arD0fTbZqIy5NAL30JLaEk2Jpv5jr0hNebEwx9 0fx8I8sdeGf0oW1PFAjn+SkDYRzrdRg5npmXtR0cRVzotwbret7D/KWxm2MC7i0STApa VyJo36ua2/dDMXElSB81PQhVk9w5AUci7gWxg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=eX7P6oCElcyBXV0r5Ccx/gNdPkWYVgG11JxL9ZRIBOTClH80q8eCU8rcIbDG9PbZ3l UWpSyKPuQvOlMb3glbfymc8otNboDU/8psc/2hrtSYBn5ecWBwUdnIVqh+LTQDb1sG07 xF/Kwv/7THO3j05F8kVE3cJHyMrFqxodKUMCA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.169.21 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:37:22 -0400 Received: by 10.140.251.9 with SMTP id y9mr2930304rvh.276.1271525842353; Sat, 17 Apr 2010 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Michael R Sweet , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April 2010) X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 0096C791E7.A9453 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi, [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft of the IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf / doc - clean copy with line numbers ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.pdf /doc - redline copy with line numbers Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. 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RFC3966 that specifies the "tel:" URI scheme has a significant shortcoming. The RFC it replaced (RFC2806) that covered the concept know as Dial Strings. Dial Strings are the actual numbers, symbols, and pauses entered by a user to place a phone call. Also specified in RFC2806 was the use of T.33 SubAddressing in a telephone or fax URI.=20=20 =20 RFC3966 explicitly excludes Dial Strings in the specification leaving it for a separate undefined document to cover. To the best of my knowledge no such document exists. My Internet Draft proposal is for an informational RFC to specify the Dial String parameters we require in an RFC3966 compliant encoding. Please take a look at the short draft (7 pages including all the boiler plate text) and send any comments. This specification will be reviewed in this week's MFD phone conference.=20=20 =20 The draft is available at: =20 Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com =20 Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CADEF6.D93B13FF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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During some internal prototyping of a FaxOut service an issue was discovered.  RFC3966 that specifies the “tel:” U= RI scheme has a significant shortcoming.  The RFC it replaced (RFC2806) t= hat covered the concept know as Dial Strings.  Dial Strings are the actual numbers, symbols, and pauses entered by a user to place a phone call. Also specified= in RFC2806 was the use of T.33 SubAddressing in a telephone or fax URI.  =

 

RFC3966 explicitly excludes Dial Strings in the specification leaving it for a separate undefined document to cover.  = To the best of my knowledge no such document exists.  My Internet Draft proposal is for an informational RFC to specify the Dial String parameters = we require in an RFC3966 compliant encoding.  Please take a look at the s= hort draft (7 pages including all the boiler plate text)  and send any comm= ents.  This specification will be reviewed in this week’s MFD phone conferen= ce. 

 

The draft is available at:

<ft= p://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/draft-ietf-teldial-info-01.pdf>

 

Pete

 

 =

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 


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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sun Apr 18 23:13:22 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A165E3A6403 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:13:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.713 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.713 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.711, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MaZYB0JVtaZa for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6B03A6845 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39139791E9; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 02:13:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06935791DC for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 02:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FamilyRoom ([unknown] [173.60.199.186]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1400J3J190ITB0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for ipp@pwg.org; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 01:12:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Hastings" To: "Peter Zehler" Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:12:34 -0700 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Acrfhz+xNk4V0gFkThaxcI9AmztL2A== X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Model)? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0384037587==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 39139791E9.A9DF3 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0384037587== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0480_01CADF4C.A1EF6610" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0480_01CADF4C.A1EF6610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter, ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? In other words: "job-delay-until" instead of : "job-delay-output-until" and: ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? In other words: "job-delay-until-time" instead of : "job-delay-output-until-time" Tom -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0480_01CADF4C.A1EF6610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Peter,

 

ISSUE: Should we r= emove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD = spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)?

 

In other words:

"job-delay-until"

instead of :

"job-delay-output-until"

 

and:

 

ISSUE: Should we r= emove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD = spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)?

 

In other words:

"job-delay-until-time"

instead of :

"job-delay-output-until-time"

 

Tom

 


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I've uploaded v25 of JPS2 for IPP WG meeting, April 19:<= o:p>

 

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v25-201004= 18-rev.pdf

ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v25-201004= 18-rev.doc

 

The change log is:

 

1.       Table 3 - Legal job state tran= sitions for Cancel-Jobs and Cancel-My-Jobs operations, Section 5.1.2 Cancel= -Jobs Response, and Section 5.2.2 Cancel-My-Jobs Response: Removed Rule 2 s= o that there are no errors conditions, only 'successful-ok' and 'successful= -ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes'

2.       Section 7.1 Additional attribu= tes for use with the Hold-Job operation: Added new section.

3.       Section 7.2 Additional attribu= tes for use with the Set-Job-Attributes operation:  Added new section.=

4.       Section 8.4 job-delay-output-u= ntil (type3 keyword | name(MAX)): Removed the 'job-delay-output-until-suspe= nded' value for "job-state-reasons".

5.       Section 8.4 job-delay-output-u= ntil (type3 keyword | name(MAX)): Added that the Printer MAY add 'job-queue= d' "job-state-reasons" value when the time period does arrive

6.       Section 8.5 job-delay-output-u= ntil-time (dateTime) Removed the 'job-delay-output-until-suspended' value f= or "job-state-reasons".

7.       Section 8.5 job-delay-output-u= ntil-time (dateTime) Added that the Printer MAY add 'job-queued' "job-= state-reasons" value when the time period does arrive

8.       Figure 4 - Time Sequence Diagr= am for 1 Hold, 2 Delay Output, and 4 normal Jobs: Fixed arrows, added job n= umbers for Complete state, and added OPTIONAL "job-state-reasons" values: 'job-queued-for-marker' and 'job-queued'.

Tom


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Thread-Index: Acrfhz+xNk4V0gFkThaxcI9AmztL2AAJBnEA References: From: "Zehler, Peter" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2010 11:16:33.0409 (UTC) FILETIME=[C499A710:01CADFB1] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] RE: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Model)? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1415067525==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 78AE779226.AA4D4 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1415067525== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CADFB1.C39C9A2C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CADFB1.C39C9A2C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tom, The PWG Semantic Model schema uses JobDelayOutputUntil and JobDelayOutputUntilTime which aligns with the JSP2 specification. (schema elements dropped the '-' and uppercased the following letter) I prefer to have the schema track JPS2 and I think the JPS2 attribute name is more descriptive. The MFD specification will synch up with JPS2 when it is in final form. Pete =20 =20 Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701=20 =20 From: Tom Hastings [mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Model)? =20 Peter, =20 ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? =20 In other words: "job-delay-until"=20 instead of : "job-delay-output-until" =20 and: =20 ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? =20 In other words: "job-delay-until-time"=20 instead of : "job-delay-output-until-time" =20 Tom =20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CADFB1.C39C9A2C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tom,

The PWG Semantic Model schema uses JobDelayOutputUntil and J= obDelayOutputUntilTime which aligns with the JSP2 specification.  (schema elements dropped th= e ‘-‘ and uppercased the following letter)  I prefer to have the schema track JPS2 and I think the JPS2 attribute name is more descriptive.  The MFD specification will synch up with JPS2 when it is in final form.<= /span>

Pete

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@X= erox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Tom Hastings [mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Mode= l)?

 

Peter,

 

ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from= the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)?

 

In other words:=

"job-delay= -until"

instead of :

"job-delay-outp= ut-until"

 

and:

 

ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from= the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)?

 

In other words:=

"job-delay= -until-time"

instead of :

"job-delay= -output-until-time"

 

Tom

 


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Meeting URL:  <https://www.livemeeting.= com/cc/xerox/join>  

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Peter Zehler

 

Xerox Research Center Webster

Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com

Voice: (585) 265-8755

FAX: (585) 265-7441

US Mail: Peter Zehler

Xerox Corp.

800 Phillips Rd.

M/S 128-25E

Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:31 PM
To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Tom Hastings; Paul Tykodi; Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] IPP Agenda - 4pm EDT Monday 19 April 2010

 

Hi,

 

[watch for update with Live Meeting link if Pete Ze= hler can set up]

 

Reminder of our next IPP WG call:

 

 Monday 19 April - 1-2pm PDT / 4-5pm EDT<= /o:p>

 

 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-469-3239

 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-650-429-33= 00 (Primary)

 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-856-95= 70 (Backup)

 

 Attendee Access Code: *******#

 Attendee ID Code: # (empty)

 

If you need the Attendee Access code, please email = me a request.

 

 

Agenda:

 

(1) PWG IP Policy and Minute Taker

 - Mike?

 

(2) Approve IPP minutes from April PWG F2F meeting<= o:p>

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/minutes/ippv2-f2f-minutes-20100407.pdf

 

(3) PWG Formal Vote on IPP Everywhere Charter (Mike= /Ira)

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf=

 

(4) Review of IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition (Ira)<= o:p>

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ipp20-20100226-rev.pdf

 

(5) Status of IPP Job and Printer Operations Set2 (= Tom)

 - ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippjobprinterext10-v24-20100406.pdf

 

(6) Next Steps

 - Next IPP WG Call - Monday 3 May - 4-5pm US = EDT

 

Cheers,

- Ira (IPP co-editor)

Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)

Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG

Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG

IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB=

Blue Roof Music/High North Inc

http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic

http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc

mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com

winter:

  579 Park Place  Saline, MI  48176<= o:p>

  734-944-0094

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From: Ira McDonald To: "Zehler, Peter" , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 9FF5079220.A8DC2 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi, Agreed - we should keep "output" in the names, because otherwise "delay" alone is far too ambiguous about its behavior as a description. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Zehler, Peter wro= te: > Tom, > > The PWG Semantic Model schema uses JobDelayOutputUntil and > JobDelayOutputUntilTime which aligns with the JSP2 specification.=A0 (sch= ema > elements dropped the =91-=91 and uppercased the following letter)=A0 I pr= efer to > have the schema track JPS2 and I think the JPS2 attribute name is more > descriptive.=A0 The MFD specification will synch up with JPS2 when it is = in > final form. > > Pete > > > > > > Peter Zehler > > Xerox Research Center Webster > Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com > Voice: (585) 265-8755 > FAX: (585) 265-7441 > US Mail: Peter Zehler > Xerox Corp. > 800 Phillips Rd. > M/S 128-25E > Webster NY, 14580-9701 > > > > From: Tom Hastings [mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net] > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 AM > To: Zehler, Peter > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to ju= st > "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Model)? > > > > Peter, > > > > ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names mo= re > with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? > > > > In other words: > > "job-delay-until" > > instead of : > > "job-delay-output-until" > > > > and: > > > > ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names mo= re > with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? > > > > In other words: > > "job-delay-until-time" > > instead of : > > "job-delay-output-until-time" > > > > Tom > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-archive@lists.ietf.org Mon Apr 19 09:37:59 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624AC3A6C39 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:37:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char C2 hex): From: Approved VIAGRA\302\256 Store ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allianz.pt (unknown [119.160.149.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C09EC3A6B5E for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Approved VIAGRA® Store Subject: You have a new personal message To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100419161719.C09EC3A6B5E@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Apr 20 12:57:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE3F3A659A for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xOXizeegu4Wz for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD463A6A2C for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47BC79221; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:56:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754307921F for ; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7msV1e00816LCl058vwolB; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:56:48 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7vwo1e00L548CT43SvwoFs; Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:56:48 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: "'Zehler, Peter'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000301cae0c3$912b77b0$b3826710$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acrfhz+xNk4V0gFkThaxcI9AmztL2AAJBnEAAEWpaXA= Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] RE: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Model)? X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0682335320==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: E47BC79221.A980A X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0682335320== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CAE0A2.0A19D7B0" Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CAE0A2.0A19D7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, Sorry I missed yesterday's call, but I was traveling. I wonder at Tom's comment since they MFD Overall document (ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.pdf) definitely uses the terms JobDelayOutputUntil and JobDelayOutputUntilTime and has from the time that these terms were introduced in January. Perhaps there is some other document he is referring too? Bill Wagner From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:17 AM To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu Cc: ipp@pwg.org; wamwagner@comcast.net Subject: RE: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Model)? Tom, The PWG Semantic Model schema uses JobDelayOutputUntil and JobDelayOutputUntilTime which aligns with the JSP2 specification. (schema elements dropped the '-' and uppercased the following letter) I prefer to have the schema track JPS2 and I think the JPS2 attribute name is more descriptive. The MFD specification will synch up with JPS2 when it is in final form. Pete Peter Zehler Xerox Research Center Webster Email: Peter.Zehler@Xerox.com Voice: (585) 265-8755 FAX: (585) 265-7441 US Mail: Peter Zehler Xerox Corp. 800 Phillips Rd. M/S 128-25E Webster NY, 14580-9701 From: Tom Hastings [mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 AM To: Zehler, Peter Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Model)? Peter, ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? In other words: "job-delay-until" instead of : "job-delay-output-until" and: ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)? In other words: "job-delay-until-time" instead of : "job-delay-output-until-time" Tom -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CAE0A2.0A19D7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

Sorry I missed yesterday’s call, but I was traveling.<= o:p>

 

I wonder at Tom’s comment since they MFD Overall docum= ent (f= tp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.pdf) definitely uses the terms JobDelayOutputUntil and JobDelayOutputUntilTime and= has from the time that these terms  were introduced in January. Perhaps th= ere is some other document he is referring too?

 

Bill Wagner

 

From: Zehler, Peter [mailto:Peter.Zehler@xerox.com]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:17 AM
To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu
Cc: ipp@pwg.org; wamwagner@comcast.net
Subject: RE: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Mode= l)?

 

Tom,

The PWG Semantic Model schema uses JobDelayOutputUntil and JobDelayOutputUntilTime which aligns with the JSP2 specification.  (sc= hema elements dropped the ‘-‘ and uppercased the following letter)&n= bsp; I prefer to have the schema track JPS2 and I think the JPS2 attribute name = is more descriptive.  The MFD specification will synch up with JPS2 when = it is in final form.

Pete

 

 

Peter Zehler

Xerox Research Center Webster
Email: Peter.Zehler@X= erox.com
Voice: (585) 265-8755
FAX: (585) 265-7441
US Mail: Peter Zehler
Xerox Corp.
800 Phillips Rd.
M/S 128-25E
Webster NY, 14580-9701

 

From: Tom Hastings [mailto:tom.hastings@verizon.net]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:13 AM
To: Zehler, Peter
Cc: ipp@pwg.org
Subject: ISSUE: Should JPS2 shorten "job-delay-output-until[-time]" to just "job-delay-until[-time]" to align with MFD (and PWG Semantic Mode= l)?

 

Peter,

 

ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from= the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)?

 

In other words:=

"job-delay= -until"

instead of :

"job-delay-outp= ut-until"

 

and:

 

ISSUE: Should we remove the "-output" from= the name to align the names more with the MFD spec (and PWG Semantic Mode)?

 

In other words:=

"job-delay= -until-time"

instead of :

"job-delay= -output-until-time"

 

Tom

 


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From: Ira McDonald To: William Wagner , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: F1ADF79230.A9ECA X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Bill, Perhaps Tom was looking at some other source? But the confusion was definitely resolved yesterday to keep "delay-output" in the names - because "delay" alone is too ambiguous (i.e., appears to be a "hold" synonym). In addition we removed the "job-delay-output-xxx" entirely from the Hold-Job operation - they can only be set using the Set-Job-Attributes operation. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:56 PM, William Wagner wro= te: > All, > > > > Sorry I missed yesterday=92s call, but I was traveling. > > > > I wonder at Tom=92s comment since they MFD Overall document > (ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/mfd/wd/wd-mfdoverallmod10-20100329.pdf) > definitely uses the terms JobDelayOutputUntil and JobDelayOutputUntilTime > and has from the time that these terms =A0were introduced in January. 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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Apr 23 10:56:11 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B003A6944 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:56:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.999, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2w7eRuORi5Hk for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14843A6937 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1FB79249; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:55:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DE479235 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8zDi1e0040SCNGk5A5vsjk; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:55:52 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 95vs1e00D548CT43V5vsT2; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:55:52 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: "'Ira McDonald'" , , "'Michael R Sweet'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April 2010) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:55:30 -0400 Message-ID: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcreVKy6rCDyVbD7THW0ZP/88ckr2gEuSduA Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 2C1FB79249.A84C0 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be put up for PWG vote? Thanks, Bill Wagner -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April 2010) Hi, [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft of the IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf / doc - clean copy with line numbers ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.pdf /doc - redline copy with line numbers Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. Cheers, - Ira (IPP co-editor) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Apr 23 11:12:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60F53A6A00 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.080, BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TFfIKE8DdgPw for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3943A3A68F6 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5F4C7924C; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-pw0-f46.google.com (mail-pw0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D74C79201 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwj9 with SMTP id 9so6801390pwj.5 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:11:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iN53pKCj/MXK0M3TLkvH9hz1obt8TlgbIQomoxwNQIo=; b=lZUjwgdtKBCk8gu7V7yvNlykrsKakqcrTGDbjIEO2zJSXAPVSwrrNoj2AwfyYAYgjv jviGGBvpe58z3uAAoGLlWDZkLYl7dRrYKPvpq2h8wtkeBuxsob4+law+EK/ttyfP4yWX PAouHO02R1+gb+80zqHGemfEAA6G6gWFtSFZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q7ecB9knpsMnEidvcYXqU0NYlLZSQK9fwHDAxY8ou0gQNJ7/qVguZ6hAcJF9rba1Gv h0Y7+G25sZwXmiOcn2s0xvBU/5BozWQWgWUH9e5hOg8ikbrjxs0T4ioxIMsZCeLFTU6n YK06iuS7SVi5mRnm+TKaDy5WbTgy6VDwRKuZ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.187.29 with SMTP id o29mr608662rvp.48.1272046309632; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.133.15 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:11:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April 2010) From: Ira McDonald To: William Wagner , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: D5F4C7924C.A8DE0 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Bill, Yes, we agreed at the April PWG F2F that Mike Sweet (as PWG Chair and IPP Secretary and IPP Everywhere Technical Lead) would announce a normal length (22 calendar days) PWG Formal Vote on the Charter. Votes to be returned to Mike, Paul, and Ira, for safety. I just changed the status from Interim to Stable to follow our process for a document to enter PWG Formal Vote. Mike said a couple of days ago that he'd get to it soon. We do need to get it moving, to complete *before* the June PWG F2F. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:55 PM, William Wagner wro= te: > Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering > committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be put= up > for PWG vote? > > Thanks, > > Bill Wagner > > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM > To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald > Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April > 2010) > > Hi, > > [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] > > > In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft of = the > IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: > > =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf= / > doc > =A0- clean copy with line numbers > > =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev= .pdf > /doc > =A0- redline copy with line numbers > > Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. > > Cheers, > - Ira (IPP co-editor) > > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > =A0579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > =A0734-944-0094 > summer: > =A0PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > =A0906-494-2434 > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Apr 23 11:26:19 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4603A6AA3 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ondzz+LrVIW for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F2C3A6AA0 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935D47924D; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:25:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F1C791B4 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay16.apple.com (relay16.apple.com [17.128.113.55]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D402A968BD03; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:25:52 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807137-b7ce7ae0000056c8-8e-4bd1e6307ac9 Received: from msweet.apple.com (msweet.apple.com [17.197.41.43]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay16.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id F6.BD.22216.036E1DB4; Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April 2010) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:25:52 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> To: William Wagner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 935D47924D.A940E X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote: > Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering > committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be put= up > for PWG vote?=20 Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting that ema= il out... If not today, Monday... >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Bill Wagner >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM > To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald > Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April > 2010) >=20 > Hi, >=20 > [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] >=20 >=20 > In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft of = the > IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: >=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf / > doc > - clean copy with line numbers >=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.pdf > /doc > - redline copy with line numbers >=20 > Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira (IPP co-editor) >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > summer: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From lhhki@aeoink.com Sun Apr 25 03:22:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A893A69A0 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -32.93 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-32.93 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, GB_I_LETTER=-2, GB_PHARMACY=1, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG=0.097, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_FORGED_AMAZON=3, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_PH_SURBL=1.787, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JWutZRHcUDmF for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aeoink.com (unknown [194.187.133.18]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F0A13A6963 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Amazon.com Email Subscriptions" To: "ipp-archive@megatron.ietf.org" Subject: Amazon.com Deal of the Day X-AMAZON-MAIL-RELAY-TYPE: subscription X-AMAZON-RTE-VERSION: 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100425102051.4F0A13A6963@core3.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Apr 27 15:46:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1787B3A68C5 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:46:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.001, BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cdgql0Kx5G-Z for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581AE3A677E for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C881879221; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:45:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008C17921F for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay15.apple.com (relay15.apple.com [17.128.113.54]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF931902800F; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807136-b7b22ae00000617e-e1-4bd769183a37 Received: from [17.151.103.185] (Unknown_Domain [17.151.103.185]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay15.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id ED.B1.24958.91967DB4; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:45:44 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> To: George Liu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: C881879221.A9C74 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, George Liu wrote: >> IPP Everywhere (wd-ippeve10-yyyymmdd) - defines ... one IPP Everywhere > conformance level, based on the IPP/2.0 conformance level defined in PWG > IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition >=20 > Does it mean a IPP Everywhere complaint software/printer has to be IPP > 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 compliant? Since we haven't even started the charter vote for IPP Everywhere yet (hopi= ng to get that out today, we'll see...) it is impossible to answer that aut= horitatively, however I have always pitched IPP Everywhere as IPP/2.0+ (tha= t is, 2.0 or higher). >> STD-2 Prototype working draft of IPP Everywhere - Q2 2011 > Has any company committed to the development of IPP Everywhere > prototype? See above. I have received positive feedback from several vendors already,= so I think it is a safe bet that we'll have at least a few prototypes to p= lay with. Also, CUPS already implements everything that has been discussed= for IPP Everywhere thus far... >=20 >=20 > Thanks > George >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Sweet > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:26 AM > To: William Wagner > Cc: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 > April2010) >=20 > On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote: >> Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering >> committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be > put up >> for PWG vote?=20 >=20 > Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting that > email out... If not today, Monday... >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >> Bill Wagner >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > Ira >> McDonald >> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM >> To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald >> Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 > April >> 2010) >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] >>=20 >>=20 >> In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft > of the >> IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: >>=20 >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf > / >> doc >> - clean copy with line numbers >>=20 >>=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.p > df >> /doc >> - redline copy with line numbers >>=20 >> Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> - Ira (IPP co-editor) >>=20 >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> winter: >> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 >> 734-944-0094 >> summer: >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> 906-494-2434 >>=20 >> --=20 >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Tue Apr 27 16:00:10 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977D03A68CC for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.239 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.239 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.237, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ug8bVSF+LQ4S for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3773A68F2 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F346679227; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:59:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12C479221 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FamilyRoom ([unknown] [173.60.199.186]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0L1K00C5P5705MC0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for ipp@pwg.org; Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:59:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom Hastings" To: Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:59:22 -0700 Message-id: <39F2C4A4FBF94080B1CA20EDD3CF382E@FamilyRoom> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: AcrmXUP7AyHTsK2NQRGzsoKbfbJMaA== X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Michael Sweet Subject: [IPP] I have a conflict that just came up with the IPP telecon scheduled for May 3 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: tom.hastings@alum.mit.edu List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1891076514==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: F346679227.A8110 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1891076514== Content-type: multipart/alternative; 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We can either still have the meeting on May 3 as planned and cover the other items that keep getting skipped over because of the JPS2 spec review, or post pone the IPP telecon a week or two. Thoughts? Tom P.S. I'll get the minutes of the May 19 meeting out this week and an updated draft of JPS2 spec. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------=_NextPart_000_037E_01CAE622.9B02F7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a conflict that just came up with the IPP telecon scheduled for May 3.  We can either still have the meeting on May 3 as= planned and cover the other items that keep getting skipped over because of the JPS2 sp= ec review, or post pone the IPP telecon a week or two.

 

Thoughts?

 

Tom

 

P.S. I’ll get the minutes of the May 19 meeting out this week and an updated draft of JPS2 spec.


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From the problem statement, it seems > that the ultimate goal is to develop a comprehensive solution that can > eliminate printer drivers.=20 >=20 > If my understanding is correct, I feel the "goal of IPP Everywhere" > paragraph is not emphasizing the objective of "eliminating printer > drivers" enough.=20 Fair enough, and good feedback that can be applied to the final version of = the charter. > Also I feel setting an objective of " Use IPP/2.0 conformance level as > basis of IPP Everywhere." is too strict. No use case has been developed > for IPP Everywhere, it might be a bit earlier to decide on the technical > details.=20 Given that this will be a project for the IPP working group and that IPP/2.= 0 is the current version of IPP approved by the PWG, I don't think it is a = stretch to make IPP/2.0 the basis of "IPP Everywhere". That said, there have also been discussions of mapping any new stuff we com= e up with to the PWG semantic model, which will allow it to be used with ot= her protocol bindings as well. >=20 > Thanks for your attention. > George >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:46 PM > To: George Liu > Cc: William Wagner; ipp@pwg.org > Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 > April2010) >=20 > On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, George Liu wrote: >>> IPP Everywhere (wd-ippeve10-yyyymmdd) - defines ... one IPP > Everywhere >> conformance level, based on the IPP/2.0 conformance level defined in > PWG >> IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition >>=20 >> Does it mean a IPP Everywhere complaint software/printer has to be IPP >> 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 compliant? >=20 > Since we haven't even started the charter vote for IPP Everywhere yet > (hoping to get that out today, we'll see...) it is impossible to answer > that authoritatively, however I have always pitched IPP Everywhere as > IPP/2.0+ (that is, 2.0 or higher). >=20 >>> STD-2 Prototype working draft of IPP Everywhere - Q2 2011 >> Has any company committed to the development of IPP Everywhere >> prototype? >=20 > See above. I have received positive feedback from several vendors > already, so I think it is a safe bet that we'll have at least a few > prototypes to play with. Also, CUPS already implements everything that > has been discussed for IPP Everywhere thus far... >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks >> George >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >> Michael Sweet >> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:26 AM >> To: William Wagner >> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >> April2010) >>=20 >> On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote: >>> Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering >>> committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be >> put up >>> for PWG vote?=20 >>=20 >> Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting > that >> email out... If not today, Monday... >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>>=20 >>> Bill Wagner >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >> Ira >>> McDonald >>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM >>> To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald >>> Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >> April >>> 2010) >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft >> of the >>> IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: >>>=20 >>>=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf >> / >>> doc >>> - clean copy with line numbers >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.p >> df >>> /doc >>> - redline copy with line numbers >>>=20 >>> Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> - Ira (IPP co-editor) >>>=20 >>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >>> winter: >>> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 >>> 734-944-0094 >>> summer: >>> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 >>> 906-494-2434 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From mansoursalvatore@aeronimbus.com Wed Apr 28 00:30:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0A63A6BA2 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:30:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.47 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.47 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, HOST_EQ_USERONOCOM=1.444, HS_INDEX_PARAM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG=0.097, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_FORGED_AMAZON=3, SARE_UNI=0.591, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_PH_SURBL=1.787, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EAKCNJ5R61mu for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 84.120.7.114.dyn.user.ono.com (84.120.7.114.dyn.user.ono.com [84.120.7.114]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 83B443A6B76 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:29:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Amazon.com Email Subscriptions" To: "ipp-archive@megatron.ietf.org" Subject: Amazon.com Deal of the Day X-AMAZON-MAIL-RELAY-TYPE: subscription X-AMAZON-RTE-VERSION: 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20100428073010.83B443A6B76@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:29:58 -0700 (PDT)
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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 10:10:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EC63A6BBD for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.324 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.325, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KQzE6xBV5gYW for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BAA28C101 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91FAF7922B; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:10:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-pv0-f174.google.com (mail-pv0-f174.google.com [74.125.83.174]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3C97922A for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pvg2 with SMTP id 2so300867pvg.5 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mDyErbjQGolyi/bhkBXrsw5adCdZw6Uf0oE7gj6w6Vk=; b=ljteDKvII14GNgoD7e92WRSMh0MsDdihffG5SHOj29Dpw9UijAU943+I/zRXB30frl 2TJKTD2HHdDIdc3XwWdTgWVdWjSdOi+7u0woJsI2CEYoVhicNGAgEe3Mox4pwCu+RMTL zCkU0M9eFQuVaDRSiJQP01eXvppf6DR8P3jVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jSM+oCgrYffUC3UgvrIaKfuI6P5cwovSxLHqECJgmYDbnoTsCIUvofv/eADqnfi2op NV9Q8xCBFse+DG4BVanUF2hK7PtGg0gc26tcVpJuXW3NZsg4Uc7hK0+jL4gBBBSqDVy6 tq+LIAPdlH7rwaXSfuZ31IJJgqJ43+2+Ysk9w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.248.10 with SMTP id v10mr2730988rvh.245.1272474600493; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.133.15 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:10:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <39F2C4A4FBF94080B1CA20EDD3CF382E@FamilyRoom> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:10:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org Subject: [IPP] Re: I have a conflict that just came up with the IPP telecon scheduled for May 3 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 91FAF7922B.A8288 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Tom, I agree with Mike - let's push back the next IPP WG meeting for one week - to Monday 10 May. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > I'm OK pushing it back a week. > On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Tom Hastings wrote: > > I have a conflict that just came up with the IPP telecon scheduled for May > 3.=A0 We can either still have the meeting on May 3 as planned and cover = the > other items that keep getting skipped over because of the JPS2 spec revie= w, > or post pone the IPP telecon a week or two. > > Thoughts? > > Tom > > P.S. I=92ll get the minutes of the May 19 meeting out this week and an up= dated > draft of JPS2 spec. > > ________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Easy Software Products > > > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 10:40:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CF63A6B04 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:40:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.956 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.956 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.957, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G8NShqakjA9G for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1124F3A69CB for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0943B79251; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 512307924E for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so2780856pxi.5 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:39:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=93OLh5eukqxble+zKSUX9ZcQSq1RhSNQk7wuYdFyIVo=; b=nyaMeFC7EpeZewXj/BCIKY0t6Cjjwqe9dLSY8ddC4AYuj2DG8DoaqogQ+BvN6TMCAg NzAQwBcSJOidOUS4gWkhyNMqVFSamiFFymim48zVzqhZiE4ziye+OyumPUEQGfb1CjfW W8P2ndsNH4OGKJOm+mKDQwu+Xqie7ZQKcH2IU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lRIIa04Wgyg8F53GcN6EYoc5C+hoibNOUoj+ZP0QPIf4z9chnXQ4nCPTIk3eqz9Jd8 FQfHbeZwOAyugWEZmGoKBYjExV0GsNKB5FIlFSJehmDzcMgfRHZbQf/mZCabUUiF+0eW 8AvMvhpgZ3J0ZBGJP5pNPfaGcxL/mqrdKyaYg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.247.10 with SMTP id u10mr1770286rvh.42.1272476380248; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.133.15 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:39:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:39:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) From: Ira McDonald To: Michael Sweet , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, George Liu X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 0943B79251.A8FD7 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi George, Thanks for your good feedback. Apparently, we're going to have to bend the PWG Process a bit - e.g., to allow a Yes vote with editorial comments. The PWG does NOT normally *vote* on individual project charters - only on entire new working group charters. But Bill Wagner suggested in the PWG Steering Committee that we make this exception in order to get wider visibility for the IPP Everywhere project. Note that IPP/2.0 is simply IPP/1.1 with *correct* handling of errors and exceptions (as already specified in IPP/1.1), so I think it's a reasonable basis for IPP Everywhere. Also, although IPP Everywhere supports the goal of printing with generic (PDL-based) printer drivers, it's NOT an actual requirement - I'm not sure about adding this to the charter, rather than the *future* IPP Everywhere Requirements spec. Mike - remember that "Yes with comments" should be allowed in your posted PWG Formal Vote announcement. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:22 PM, George Liu wrote: >> Michael, >> >> Thanks for the quick feedback. >> >> I studied the Charter document. From the problem statement, it seems >> that the ultimate goal is to develop a comprehensive solution that can >> eliminate printer drivers. >> >> If my understanding is correct, I feel the "goal of IPP Everywhere" >> paragraph is not emphasizing the objective of "eliminating printer >> drivers" enough. > > Fair enough, and good feedback that can be applied to the final version o= f the charter. > >> Also I feel setting an objective of " Use IPP/2.0 conformance level as >> basis of IPP Everywhere." is too strict. No use case has been developed >> for IPP Everywhere, it might be a bit earlier to decide on the technical >> details. > > Given that this will be a project for the IPP working group and that IPP/= 2.0 is the current version of IPP approved by the PWG, I don't think it is = a stretch to make IPP/2.0 the basis of "IPP Everywhere". > > That said, there have also been discussions of mapping any new stuff we c= ome up with to the PWG semantic model, which will allow it to be used with = other protocol bindings as well. > >> >> Thanks for your attention. >> George >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:46 PM >> To: George Liu >> Cc: William Wagner; ipp@pwg.org >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >> April2010) >> >> On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, George Liu wrote: >>>> IPP Everywhere (wd-ippeve10-yyyymmdd) - defines ... one IPP >> Everywhere >>> conformance level, based on the IPP/2.0 conformance level defined in >> PWG >>> IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition >>> >>> Does it mean a IPP Everywhere complaint software/printer has to be IPP >>> 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 compliant? >> >> Since we haven't even started the charter vote for IPP Everywhere yet >> (hoping to get that out today, we'll see...) it is impossible to answer >> that authoritatively, however I have always pitched IPP Everywhere as >> IPP/2.0+ (that is, 2.0 or higher). >> >>>> STD-2 Prototype working draft of IPP Everywhere - Q2 2011 >>> Has any company committed to the development of IPP Everywhere >>> prototype? >> >> See above. =A0I have received positive feedback from several vendors >> already, so I think it is a safe bet that we'll have at least a few >> prototypes to play with. =A0Also, CUPS already implements everything that >> has been discussed for IPP Everywhere thus far... >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >>> Michael Sweet >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:26 AM >>> To: William Wagner >>> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >>> April2010) >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote: >>>> Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering >>>> committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be >>> put up >>>> for PWG vote? >>> >>> Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting >> that >>> email out... =A0If not today, Monday... >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Bill Wagner >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >>> Ira >>>> McDonald >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM >>>> To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald >>>> Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >>> April >>>> 2010) >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] >>>> >>>> >>>> In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft >>> of the >>>> IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: >>>> >>>> >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf >>> / >>>> doc >>>> - clean copy with line numbers >>>> >>>> >>> >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.p >>> df >>>> /doc >>>> - redline copy with line numbers >>>> >>>> Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> - Ira (IPP co-editor) >>>> >>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >>>> winter: >>>> 579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 >>>> 734-944-0094 >>>> summer: >>>> PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 >>>> 906-494-2434 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>> believed to be clean. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ipp mailing list >>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 11:27:06 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0704C3A688E for ; 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Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:26:40 -0400 Authentication-Results: cm-omr8 smtp.user=ptykodi; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [65.96.244.16] ([65.96.244.16:21802] helo=TCSLAPTOP01) by cm-omr8 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id 8A/30-19902-EDD78DB4; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:26:40 -0400 From: "Paul Tykodi" To: "'Ira McDonald'" References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net><8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com><7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com><8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com><5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> Subject: RE: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:26:34 -0400 Organization: Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Message-ID: <39E0E757A9BC4FCA8CF7197AC16919DE@TCSLAPTOP01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acrm+dDuGJyxH22jQdaD1rxk0hEwGQAA6CKA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, 'George Liu' X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ptykodi@tykodi.com List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: AF42D79253.A99F3 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Ira, I wanted to add my voice, as the current IPP Working Group Chair, to say that I fully support the decision to not require printing with generic (PDL-based) printer drivers as a conformance requirement for IPP Everywhere. I do believe the printing experience would be greatly enhanced by reducing the need for printer drivers but I don't think adding this as a requirement to IPP Everywhere would enhance the proposed specification's acceptance by the industry at this moment in time. Do you think we should develop a short FAQ on some of the potential IPP Everywhere use case scenarios we have already started collecting for other reasons within PWG (i.e. Cloud Printing) to help give people further context on the plans for IPP Everywhere prior to the actual vote? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks. Best Regards, /Paul -- Paul Tykodi Principal Consultant TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 Mobile: 603-866-0712 E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com WWW: http://www.tykodi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:40 PM > To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org; George Liu > Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 > April2010) >=20 > Hi George, >=20 > Thanks for your good feedback. >=20 > Apparently, we're going to have to bend the PWG Process > a bit - e.g., to allow a Yes vote with editorial comments. >=20 > The PWG does NOT normally *vote* on individual project > charters - only on entire new working group charters. >=20 > But Bill Wagner suggested in the PWG Steering Committee > that we make this exception in order to get wider visibility for > the IPP Everywhere project. >=20 > Note that IPP/2.0 is simply IPP/1.1 with *correct* handling > of errors and exceptions (as already specified in IPP/1.1), > so I think it's a reasonable basis for IPP Everywhere. >=20 > Also, although IPP Everywhere supports the goal of printing > with generic (PDL-based) printer drivers, it's NOT an actual > requirement - I'm not sure about adding this to the charter, > rather than the *future* IPP Everywhere Requirements spec. >=20 > Mike - remember that "Yes with comments" should be allowed > in your posted PWG Formal Vote announcement. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > summer: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > > On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:22 PM, George Liu wrote: > >> Michael, > >> > >> Thanks for the quick feedback. > >> > >> I studied the Charter document. From the problem statement, it seems > >> that the ultimate goal is to develop a comprehensive solution that can > >> eliminate printer drivers. > >> > >> If my understanding is correct, I feel the "goal of IPP Everywhere" > >> paragraph is not emphasizing the objective of "eliminating printer > >> drivers" enough. > > > > Fair enough, and good feedback that can be applied to the final version > of the charter. > > > >> Also I feel setting an objective of " Use IPP/2.0 conformance level as > >> basis of IPP Everywhere." is too strict. No use case has been developed > >> for IPP Everywhere, it might be a bit earlier to decide on the > technical > >> details. > > > > Given that this will be a project for the IPP working group and that > IPP/2.0 is the current version of IPP approved by the PWG, I don't think > it is a stretch to make IPP/2.0 the basis of "IPP Everywhere". > > > > That said, there have also been discussions of mapping any new stuff we > come up with to the PWG semantic model, which will allow it to be used > with other protocol bindings as well. > > > >> > >> Thanks for your attention. > >> George > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:46 PM > >> To: George Liu > >> Cc: William Wagner; ipp@pwg.org > >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 > >> April2010) > >> > >> On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, George Liu wrote: > >>>> IPP Everywhere (wd-ippeve10-yyyymmdd) - defines ... one IPP > >> Everywhere > >>> conformance level, based on the IPP/2.0 conformance level defined in > >> PWG > >>> IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition > >>> > >>> Does it mean a IPP Everywhere complaint software/printer has to be IPP > >>> 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 compliant? > >> > >> Since we haven't even started the charter vote for IPP Everywhere yet > >> (hoping to get that out today, we'll see...) it is impossible to answer > >> that authoritatively, however I have always pitched IPP Everywhere as > >> IPP/2.0+ (that is, 2.0 or higher). > >> > >>>> STD-2 Prototype working draft of IPP Everywhere - Q2 2011 > >>> Has any company committed to the development of IPP Everywhere > >>> prototype? > >> > >> See above. =A0I have received positive feedback from several vendors > >> already, so I think it is a safe bet that we'll have at least a few > >> prototypes to play with. =A0Also, CUPS already implements everything t= hat > >> has been discussed for IPP Everywhere thus far... > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> George > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > >>> Michael Sweet > >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:26 AM > >>> To: William Wagner > >>> Cc: ipp@pwg.org > >>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 > >>> April2010) > >>> > >>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote: > >>>> Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering > >>>> committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be > >>> put up > >>>> for PWG vote? > >>> > >>> Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting > >> that > >>> email out... =A0If not today, Monday... > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> > >>>> Bill Wagner > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of > >>> Ira > >>>> McDonald > >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM > >>>> To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald > >>>> Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17=0D > >>> April > >>>> 2010) > >>>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft > >>> of the > >>>> IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: > >>>> > >>>> > >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf > >>> / > >>>> doc > >>>> - clean copy with line numbers > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417- > rev.p > >>> df > >>>> /doc > >>>> - redline copy with line numbers > >>>> > >>>> Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> - Ira (IPP co-editor) > >>>> > >>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > >>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > >>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > >>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > >>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > >>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > >>>> winter: > >>>> 579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 > >>>> 734-944-0094 > >>>> summer: > >>>> PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 > >>>> 906-494-2434 > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and > >>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >>>> believed to be clean. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> ipp mailing list > >>>> ipp@pwg.org > >>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and > >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > >>> believed to be clean. > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> ipp mailing list > >>> ipp@pwg.org > >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > >> > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ > >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > > believed to be clean. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ipp mailing list > > ipp@pwg.org > > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > > >=20 > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 11:48:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD893A6B66 for ; 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Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:48:18 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta19.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B6oH1e00W548CT43f6oJo1; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:48:18 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: "'Ira McDonald'" , "'Michael Sweet'" References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:47:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001101cae703$4f122db0$ed368910$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acrm+dBVBtAuyIOpTmK0GbyG9Yb9AgAAXvKA Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, 'George Liu' X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 6F30479260.A9183 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org I would like to clarify that "my" suggestion that Ira cites was echoed by others, primarily in response to (my understanding of) Mike's indication that he wanted to proceed with IPP-Everywhere only if there was significant support from the industry (which is an excellent criterion). Putting it up for vote both acts to engage more of the membership and "requires" that negative responses include an explanation of why it is rejected. There several generally acknowledged needs that IPP-Everywhere intends to address, but also several different ideas about how they are best addressed. Looking at the Mike's IPP-Everywhere Wiki page (http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/IPP+Everywhere), the main points are a standard document format (or two) which should address much of the driver issue, and a printer discovery method. These are critical issues, and are also critical aspects of the Google CloudPrint initiative. But both by name and by assumption, the solution is linked by many to IPP. And the Charter makes this link very specific and very tight. Although I think that there is little question but that IPP represents the refinement of printing semantics and that these semantics should be preserved in the next manifestation of printing interface, I do think that there are differing views on whether this next manifestation should be an add-on to IPP or a step beyond IPP. In favor of the former, the fact that IPP is implemented in most networked printers suggests that an IPP-Everywhere that is an incremental addition to IPP should be well accepted by the industry as "good bang for the buck". But there is another viewpoint that might maintain: a. IPP has not been all that successful in terms of use, is not supported by current Windows OS's, and is regarded (or perhaps disregarded) by some business sorts in the industry as a wasted effort. There was even the suggestion that there is a negative perception of IPP and that the "IPP" term be replaced in IPP-Everywhere (although no agreement on replaced with what.) b. IPP uses a "transition" transport of HTTP over IP, which seemed reasonable ten years ago, but is something of an anachronism in a world going with a "web services" approach. And one would expect that the Discovery, Eventing & Notification aspects that IPP-Everywhere needs will come out of the Web Services world. Perhaps, when Google indicates that IPP-Everywhere addresses much of what is needed in CloudPrint but has some serious things missing, and when they ask for a CloudPrint use case using IPP-Everywhere, they may be thinking of issues in this area. So in considering the IPP-Everywhere charter, members must consider not just whether IPP-Everywhere is a good and needed capability, I don't think that there is much question about that, but whether the specific approach specified in the charter is the optimum way to produce the optimum product. And hopefully members will comment on this one way or the other since the comments and actual participation in the specification and development of IPP-Everywhere will be much more significant than an up or down vote. Bill Wagner -----Original Message----- From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira McDonald Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:40 PM To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald Cc: ipp@pwg.org; George Liu Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Hi George, Thanks for your good feedback. Apparently, we're going to have to bend the PWG Process a bit - e.g., to allow a Yes vote with editorial comments. The PWG does NOT normally *vote* on individual project charters - only on entire new working group charters. But Bill Wagner suggested in the PWG Steering Committee that we make this exception in order to get wider visibility for the IPP Everywhere project. Note that IPP/2.0 is simply IPP/1.1 with *correct* handling of errors and exceptions (as already specified in IPP/1.1), so I think it's a reasonable basis for IPP Everywhere. Also, although IPP Everywhere supports the goal of printing with generic (PDL-based) printer drivers, it's NOT an actual requirement - I'm not sure about adding this to the charter, rather than the *future* IPP Everywhere Requirements spec. Mike - remember that "Yes with comments" should be allowed in your posted PWG Formal Vote announcement. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: > On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:22 PM, George Liu wrote: >> Michael, >> >> Thanks for the quick feedback. >> >> I studied the Charter document. From the problem statement, it seems >> that the ultimate goal is to develop a comprehensive solution that can >> eliminate printer drivers. >> >> If my understanding is correct, I feel the "goal of IPP Everywhere" >> paragraph is not emphasizing the objective of "eliminating printer >> drivers" enough. > > Fair enough, and good feedback that can be applied to the final version of the charter. > >> Also I feel setting an objective of " Use IPP/2.0 conformance level as >> basis of IPP Everywhere." is too strict. No use case has been developed >> for IPP Everywhere, it might be a bit earlier to decide on the technical >> details. > > Given that this will be a project for the IPP working group and that IPP/2.0 is the current version of IPP approved by the PWG, I don't think it is a stretch to make IPP/2.0 the basis of "IPP Everywhere". > > That said, there have also been discussions of mapping any new stuff we come up with to the PWG semantic model, which will allow it to be used with other protocol bindings as well. > >> >> Thanks for your attention. >> George >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:46 PM >> To: George Liu >> Cc: William Wagner; ipp@pwg.org >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >> April2010) >> >> On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, George Liu wrote: >>>> IPP Everywhere (wd-ippeve10-yyyymmdd) - defines ... one IPP >> Everywhere >>> conformance level, based on the IPP/2.0 conformance level defined in >> PWG >>> IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition >>> >>> Does it mean a IPP Everywhere complaint software/printer has to be IPP >>> 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 compliant? >> >> Since we haven't even started the charter vote for IPP Everywhere yet >> (hoping to get that out today, we'll see...) it is impossible to answer >> that authoritatively, however I have always pitched IPP Everywhere as >> IPP/2.0+ (that is, 2.0 or higher). >> >>>> STD-2 Prototype working draft of IPP Everywhere - Q2 2011 >>> Has any company committed to the development of IPP Everywhere >>> prototype? >> >> See above. =A0I have received positive feedback from several vendors >> already, so I think it is a safe bet that we'll have at least a few >> prototypes to play with. =A0Also, CUPS already implements everything that >> has been discussed for IPP Everywhere thus far... >> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> George >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >>> Michael Sweet >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:26 AM >>> To: William Wagner >>> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >>> April2010) >>> >>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote: >>>> Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering >>>> committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be >>> put up >>>> for PWG vote? >>> >>> Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting >> that >>> email out... =A0If not today, Monday... >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Bill Wagner >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >>> Ira >>>> McDonald >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM >>>> To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald >>>> Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >>> April >>>> 2010) >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] >>>> >>>> >>>> In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft >>> of the >>>> IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: >>>> >>>> >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf >>> / >>>> doc >>>> - clean copy with line numbers >>>> >>>> >>> >> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417-rev.p >>> df >>>> /doc >>>> - redline copy with line numbers >>>> >>>> Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> - Ira (IPP co-editor) >>>> >>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >>>> winter: >>>> 579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 >>>> 734-944-0094 >>>> summer: >>>> PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 >>>> 906-494-2434 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>> believed to be clean. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ipp mailing list >>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>>> >>> >>> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair > > > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 13:44:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636CD3A6A56 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, George Liu X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 41AE47925D.A980F X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Bill: Comments on your points: (a) I fail entirely to see the merit in beating up "IPP" on the IPP WG mailing list - this is not constructive. (b) IPP, like WebDAV and a dozen other IETF application protocols in the last 10 years, uses HTTP over a unique IANA-registered IP port number (not 80). Folks in the REST camp would take particular issue with "transition", as though SOAP was the only possible Web Services binding. Mike - we should abandon this PWG Formal Vote idea and instead put this Charter up for PWG Last Call - PWG Process doesn't allow non-editorial changes after a PWG Formal Vote. This particular charter is *not* for Everywhere over some yet to be determined transport. It's for IPP Everywhere - and that's the only reasonable binding - because existing deployed printers already support IPP - any new transport is a real-world loser for the near-term mobile environment. Cheers, - Ira This particular proposal Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, William Wagner wro= te: > I would like to clarify that "my" suggestion that Ira cites was echoed by > others, primarily in response to (my understanding of) Mike's indication > that he wanted to proceed with IPP-Everywhere only if there was significa= nt > support from the industry (which is an excellent criterion). Putting it up > for vote both acts to engage more of the membership and =A0"requires" that > negative responses include an explanation of why it is rejected. There > several generally acknowledged needs that IPP-Everywhere intends to addre= ss, > but also several different ideas about how they are best addressed. > > Looking at the Mike's IPP-Everywhere Wiki page > (http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/IPP+Everywhere), the main points are a > standard document format (or two) which should address much of the driver > issue, and a printer discovery method. These are critical issues, and are > also critical aspects of the Google CloudPrint initiative. But both by na= me > and by assumption, the solution is linked by many to IPP. And the Charter > makes this link very specific and very tight. > > Although I think that there is little question but that IPP represents the > refinement of printing semantics and that these semantics should be > preserved in the next manifestation of printing interface, I do think that > there are differing views on whether this next manifestation should be an > add-on to IPP or a step beyond IPP. In favor of the former, the fact that > IPP is implemented in most networked printers suggests that an > IPP-Everywhere that is an incremental addition to IPP should be well > accepted by the industry as "good bang for the buck". But there is another > viewpoint that might maintain: > =A0 =A0a. IPP has not been all that successful in terms of use, is not > supported by current Windows OS's, and is regarded (or perhaps disregarde= d) > by some business sorts in the industry as a wasted effort. There was even > the suggestion that there is a negative perception of IPP and that the "I= PP" > term be replaced in IPP-Everywhere (although no agreement on replaced with > what.) > =A0 =A0b. IPP uses a "transition" transport of HTTP over IP, which seemed > reasonable ten years ago, but is something of an anachronism in a world > going with a "web services" approach. And one would expect that the > Discovery, Eventing & Notification aspects that IPP-Everywhere needs will > come out of the Web Services world. Perhaps, when Google indicates that > IPP-Everywhere addresses much of what is needed in CloudPrint but has some > serious things missing, and when they ask for a CloudPrint use case using > IPP-Everywhere, they may be thinking of issues in this area. > > So in considering the IPP-Everywhere charter, members must consider not j= ust > whether IPP-Everywhere is a good and needed capability, I don't think that > there is much question about that, but whether the specific approach > specified in the charter is the optimum way to produce the optimum produc= t. > And hopefully members will comment on this one way or the other since the > comments and actual participation in the specification and development of > IPP-Everywhere will be much more significant than an up or down vote. > > Bill Wagner > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 13:50:02 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2869C3A6774 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.683 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.683 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.684, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yAUS56F7zR60 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4307E3A6860 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D481379266; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-pw0-f46.google.com (mail-pw0-f46.google.com [209.85.160.46]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB4279266 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pwj9 with SMTP id 9so10266021pwj.5 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:49:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fRAkwqRxh1ulg61Eg/4meZfgUMtfAyQRZNJozzMT5pg=; b=WW4+oY6syCEu9hIXQNJ508EEPaPFRqAgAhkm8w17j03dCyQgaKqqR8qSd4p4PwPTaB MdleJXEC4GqcwiosCmFCp73CkwOPxtokxN/abJPqJvnQMk6lBtd+UXrtpJomK4Oec6js HvX7l9i/ODlUTWX05JQqWZYjZaNrMP7IYLtFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=SqAQl0+65/zqjGpfTlB7kv/ZzrrCfSPWsTRV8Yy7Zr+6z+RICsV4KfmCVAoDTq5BbO ejbgicXG1wgqCrq1ExmorsgyYYIMHvnCpF453eDQqvCbWh6d3d9Bt9//MV01/oMR1Kx1 BxQCcIwX7Jn8vc9pUI5/lI4UWuhmfnoVt3pvM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.57.19 with SMTP id f19mr5183667rva.124.1272487771658; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.133.15 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:49:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: Ira McDonald To: ipp@pwg.org, Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: Subject: [IPP] Next IPP Call - Monday 10 May 2010 X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: D481379266.A9931 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi, Our next IPP WG teleconference has been delayed to a week later: Monday 10 May 2010 - 4-5pm US EDT Agenda to be announced sometime next week. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 14:38:24 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5013A6911 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.332 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.332 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.333, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lraN91O2TgYv for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2553A68E9 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307EC79270; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A857926F for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.90]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AzEK1e0011wpRvQ5A9dz5g; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:37:59 +0000 Received: from VistaBusiness ([24.61.240.234]) by omta18.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id B9dz1e00B548CT43e9dzkc; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:37:59 +0000 From: "William Wagner" To: "'Ira McDonald'" References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> <001101cae703$4f122db0$ed368910$@net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:37:33 -0400 Message-ID: <002401cae71b$03acccf0$0b0666d0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcrnE4CD1bu/faz5Q2m9qCI1wA/JDAAA2CuA Content-Language: en-us X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, 'George Liu' X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 307EC79270.A8AAC X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi Ira, I am sorry that you think I was "beating up" on IPP. I have been involved with IPP from the start (over 10 years ago), have done my part in getting it deployed, and so have a certain affinity for it. But some observations have been made, and they have some validity and bearing on this effort, but they have not gotten much exposure. I do not agree that ignoring these things is preferable and dealing with them is "not constructive". Your idea of putting the charter up for PWG "Last Call" is good. I think the intent was to get the sense of the membership about the approach specified in the charter. The charter most certainly is for developing an addition to IPP. I do not know if the membership agrees that "any new transport [other than used by IPP] is a real-world loser" (most networked printers I know also support WSD), but it would be to everyone's advantage to find out. Bill Wagner -----Original Message----- From: Ira McDonald [mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:44 PM To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald Cc: Michael Sweet; ipp@pwg.org; George Liu Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Hi Bill: Comments on your points: (a) I fail entirely to see the merit in beating up "IPP" on the IPP WG mailing list - this is not constructive. (b) IPP, like WebDAV and a dozen other IETF application protocols in the last 10 years, uses HTTP over a unique IANA-registered IP port number (not 80). Folks in the REST camp would take particular issue with "transition", as though SOAP was the only possible Web Services binding. Mike - we should abandon this PWG Formal Vote idea and instead put this Charter up for PWG Last Call - PWG Process doesn't allow non-editorial changes after a PWG Formal Vote. This particular charter is *not* for Everywhere over some yet to be determined transport. It's for IPP Everywhere - and that's the only reasonable binding - because existing deployed printers already support IPP - any new transport is a real-world loser for the near-term mobile environment. Cheers, - Ira This particular proposal Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, William Wagner wrote: > I would like to clarify that "my" suggestion that Ira cites was echoed by > others, primarily in response to (my understanding of) Mike's indication > that he wanted to proceed with IPP-Everywhere only if there was significant > support from the industry (which is an excellent criterion). Putting it up > for vote both acts to engage more of the membership and =A0"requires" that > negative responses include an explanation of why it is rejected. There > several generally acknowledged needs that IPP-Everywhere intends to address, > but also several different ideas about how they are best addressed. > > Looking at the Mike's IPP-Everywhere Wiki page > (http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/IPP+Everywhere), the main points are a > standard document format (or two) which should address much of the driver > issue, and a printer discovery method. These are critical issues, and are > also critical aspects of the Google CloudPrint initiative. But both by name > and by assumption, the solution is linked by many to IPP. And the Charter > makes this link very specific and very tight. > > Although I think that there is little question but that IPP represents the > refinement of printing semantics and that these semantics should be > preserved in the next manifestation of printing interface, I do think that > there are differing views on whether this next manifestation should be an > add-on to IPP or a step beyond IPP. In favor of the former, the fact that > IPP is implemented in most networked printers suggests that an > IPP-Everywhere that is an incremental addition to IPP should be well > accepted by the industry as "good bang for the buck". But there is another > viewpoint that might maintain: > =A0 =A0a. IPP has not been all that successful in terms of use, is not > supported by current Windows OS's, and is regarded (or perhaps disregarded) > by some business sorts in the industry as a wasted effort. There was even > the suggestion that there is a negative perception of IPP and that the "IPP" > term be replaced in IPP-Everywhere (although no agreement on replaced with > what.) > =A0 =A0b. IPP uses a "transition" transport of HTTP over IP, which seemed > reasonable ten years ago, but is something of an anachronism in a world > going with a "web services" approach. And one would expect that the > Discovery, Eventing & Notification aspects that IPP-Everywhere needs will > come out of the Web Services world. Perhaps, when Google indicates that > IPP-Everywhere addresses much of what is needed in CloudPrint but has some > serious things missing, and when they ask for a CloudPrint use case using > IPP-Everywhere, they may be thinking of issues in this area. > > So in considering the IPP-Everywhere charter, members must consider not just > whether IPP-Everywhere is a good and needed capability, I don't think that > there is much question about that, but whether the specific approach > specified in the charter is the optimum way to produce the optimum product. > And hopefully members will comment on this one way or the other since the > comments and actual participation in the specification and development of > IPP-Everywhere will be much more significant than an up or down vote. > > Bill Wagner > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 14:41:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673973A69F6 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:41:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.463, BAYES_05=-1.11, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dl8lgohVz0JR for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276383A6943 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CF779286; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:40:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A5579286 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay13.apple.com (relay13.apple.com [17.128.113.29]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD636974F350; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:40:29 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1180711d-b7cfdae0000039f3-84-4bd8ab4c87f1 Received: from da0704a-dhcp115.apple.com (da0704a-dhcp115.apple.com [17.197.43.243]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay13.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 75.F1.14835.C4BA8DB4; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: <39E0E757A9BC4FCA8CF7197AC16919DE@TCSLAPTOP01> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:40:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <16D66433-903D-4C69-A356-1E4C048985AA@apple.com> References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> <39E0E757A9BC4FCA8CF7197AC16919DE@TCSLAPTOP01> To: ptykodi@tykodi.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, 'George Liu' X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: B4CF779286.A94FF X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Paul Tykodi wrote: > Hi Ira, >=20 > I wanted to add my voice, as the current IPP Working Group Chair, to say > that I fully support the decision to not require printing with generic > (PDL-based) printer drivers as a conformance requirement for IPP Everywhe= re. FWIW, I'm certainly hoping that we *do* end up with at least one common, re= quired PDL, otherwise IPP Everywhere will be as useless as IPP/2.0 - we don= 't need another raw transport pipe... And if you'll remember I argued for = a required PDL when we defined IPP/2.0 as well (for the same reasons...) > I do believe the printing experience would be greatly enhanced by reducing > the need for printer drivers but I don't think adding this as a requireme= nt > to IPP Everywhere would enhance the proposed specification's acceptance by > the industry at this moment in time. Given that a common PDL is pretty much the only way to get away from printe= r drivers (which opens up LOTS of new markets, particularly in the mobile s= pace), I think we do really need to make it a requirement. > Do you think we should develop a short FAQ on some of the potential IPP > Everywhere use case scenarios we have already started collecting for other > reasons within PWG (i.e. Cloud Printing) to help give people further cont= ext > on the plans for IPP Everywhere prior to the actual vote? I think a FAQ (along with updates to my slides) is entirely appropriate. >=20 > Let me know your thoughts. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Best Regards, >=20 > /Paul > -- > Paul Tykodi > Principal Consultant > TCS - Tykodi Consulting Services LLC >=20 > Tel/Fax: 603-343-1820 > Mobile: 603-866-0712 > E-mail: ptykodi@tykodi.com > WWW: http://www.tykodi.com >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira >> McDonald >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:40 PM >> To: Michael Sweet; Ira McDonald >> Cc: ipp@pwg.org; George Liu >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >> April2010) >>=20 >> Hi George, >>=20 >> Thanks for your good feedback. >>=20 >> Apparently, we're going to have to bend the PWG Process >> a bit - e.g., to allow a Yes vote with editorial comments. >>=20 >> The PWG does NOT normally *vote* on individual project >> charters - only on entire new working group charters. >>=20 >> But Bill Wagner suggested in the PWG Steering Committee >> that we make this exception in order to get wider visibility for >> the IPP Everywhere project. >>=20 >> Note that IPP/2.0 is simply IPP/1.1 with *correct* handling >> of errors and exceptions (as already specified in IPP/1.1), >> so I think it's a reasonable basis for IPP Everywhere. >>=20 >> Also, although IPP Everywhere supports the goal of printing >> with generic (PDL-based) printer drivers, it's NOT an actual >> requirement - I'm not sure about adding this to the charter, >> rather than the *future* IPP Everywhere Requirements spec. >>=20 >> Mike - remember that "Yes with comments" should be allowed >> in your posted PWG Formal Vote announcement. >>=20 >> Cheers, >> - Ira >>=20 >>=20 >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> winter: >> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 >> 734-944-0094 >> summer: >> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> 906-494-2434 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Michael Sweet wrote: >>> On Apr 27, 2010, at 5:22 PM, George Liu wrote: >>>> Michael, >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks for the quick feedback. >>>>=20 >>>> I studied the Charter document. From the problem statement, it seems >>>> that the ultimate goal is to develop a comprehensive solution that can >>>> eliminate printer drivers. >>>>=20 >>>> If my understanding is correct, I feel the "goal of IPP Everywhere" >>>> paragraph is not emphasizing the objective of "eliminating printer >>>> drivers" enough. >>>=20 >>> Fair enough, and good feedback that can be applied to the final version >> of the charter. >>>=20 >>>> Also I feel setting an objective of " Use IPP/2.0 conformance level as >>>> basis of IPP Everywhere." is too strict. No use case has been developed >>>> for IPP Everywhere, it might be a bit earlier to decide on the >> technical >>>> details. >>>=20 >>> Given that this will be a project for the IPP working group and that >> IPP/2.0 is the current version of IPP approved by the PWG, I don't think >> it is a stretch to make IPP/2.0 the basis of "IPP Everywhere". >>>=20 >>> That said, there have also been discussions of mapping any new stuff we >> come up with to the PWG semantic model, which will allow it to be used >> with other protocol bindings as well. >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks for your attention. >>>> George >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet@apple.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:46 PM >>>> To: George Liu >>>> Cc: William Wagner; ipp@pwg.org >>>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >>>> April2010) >>>>=20 >>>> On Apr 27, 2010, at 3:33 PM, George Liu wrote: >>>>>> IPP Everywhere (wd-ippeve10-yyyymmdd) - defines ... one IPP >>>> Everywhere >>>>> conformance level, based on the IPP/2.0 conformance level defined in >>>> PWG >>>>> IPP Version 2.0 Second Edition >>>>>=20 >>>>> Does it mean a IPP Everywhere complaint software/printer has to be IPP >>>>> 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 compliant? >>>>=20 >>>> Since we haven't even started the charter vote for IPP Everywhere yet >>>> (hoping to get that out today, we'll see...) it is impossible to answer >>>> that authoritatively, however I have always pitched IPP Everywhere as >>>> IPP/2.0+ (that is, 2.0 or higher). >>>>=20 >>>>>> STD-2 Prototype working draft of IPP Everywhere - Q2 2011 >>>>> Has any company committed to the development of IPP Everywhere >>>>> prototype? >>>>=20 >>>> See above. I have received positive feedback from several vendors >>>> already, so I think it is a safe bet that we'll have at least a few >>>> prototypes to play with. Also, CUPS already implements everything that >>>> has been discussed for IPP Everywhere thus far... >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks >>>>> George >>>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Michael Sweet >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:26 AM >>>>> To: William Wagner >>>>> Cc: ipp@pwg.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >>>>> April2010) >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:55 AM, William Wagner wrote: >>>>>> Sorry I missed the IPP call and did not bring this up at the Steering >>>>>> committee call. What is the status of this charter? Is it going to be >>>>> put up >>>>>> for PWG vote? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Yes, Ira posted a "final draft" and I am in the process of getting >>>> that >>>>> email out... If not today, Monday... >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Bill Wagner >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Ira >>>>>> McDonald >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 1:37 PM >>>>>> To: ipp@pwg.org; Michael R Sweet; Ira McDonald >>>>>> Subject: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >>>>> April >>>>>> 2010) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> [For discussion during IPP WG meeting on Monday 19 April] >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In preparation for PWG Formal Vote, I have just posted a Stable draft >>>>> of the >>>>>> IPP Everywhere Project Charter (4th version) at: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf >>>>> / >>>>>> doc >>>>>> - clean copy with line numbers >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>> ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417- >> rev.p >>>>> df >>>>>> /doc >>>>>> - redline copy with line numbers >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Only changes are status to Stable and corrected several typos. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> - Ira (IPP co-editor) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >>>>>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >>>>>> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >>>>>> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >>>>>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >>>>>> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >>>>>> winter: >>>>>> 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 >>>>>> 734-944-0094 >>>>>> summer: >>>>>> PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 >>>>>> 906-494-2434 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>>>> believed to be clean. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> ipp mailing list >>>>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>>>> believed to be clean. >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ipp mailing list >>>>> ipp@pwg.org >>>>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ipp mailing list >>> ipp@pwg.org >>> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >>>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp >=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 14:42:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79723A687F for ; 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Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807136-b7b22ae00000617e-89-4bd8abc38937 Received: from da0704a-dhcp115.apple.com (da0704a-dhcp115.apple.com [17.197.43.243]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay15.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 4E.66.24958.3CBA8DB4; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: <001101cae703$4f122db0$ed368910$@net> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:42:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <01D18FD0-6FA5-4C23-B6A7-75F4C4671460@apple.com> References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> <001101cae703$4f122db0$ed368910$@net> To: William Wagner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, 'George Liu' X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 3A52679288.A97CF X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:47 AM, William Wagner wrote: > b. IPP uses a "transition" transport of HTTP over IP, which seemed > reasonable ten years ago, but is something of an anachronism in a world > going with a "web services" approach. which is usually SOAP over HTTP, sounds strangely familiar... ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Wed Apr 28 14:44:14 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9929F3A6903 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:44:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0arddtH9Jtd2 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8934E3A6899 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C219179294; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E34C79288 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay15.apple.com (relay15.apple.com [17.128.113.54]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0903974F4A3; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:43:52 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807136-b7b22ae00000617e-d4-4bd8ac182000 Received: from da0704a-dhcp115.apple.com (da0704a-dhcp115.apple.com [17.197.43.243]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay15.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 52.C6.24958.81CA8DB4; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) From: Michael Sweet In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:43:52 -0700 Message-Id: <8F7AD885-1897-4716-9AB1-1DC7B910AAC5@apple.com> References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> <001101cae703$4f122db0$ed368910$@net> To: Ira McDonald X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, George Liu X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1766402990==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: C219179294.A91D9 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org --===============1766402990== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--21426936 --Apple-Mail-3--21426936 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Ira McDonald wrote: > ... > Mike - we should abandon this PWG Formal Vote idea and > instead put this Charter up for PWG Last Call - PWG Process > doesn't allow non-editorial changes after a PWG Formal Vote. Agreed, will put that out ASAP... ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail-3--21426936 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Agreed, will put that out ASAP...

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From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Apr 29 07:38:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8106728C0EC for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:38:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6HFCcjwDigqg for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232643A696C for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9847929C; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:38:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from EEAEX01.us.epson.net (eeaex01.eea.epson.com [12.9.144.164]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C607F79297 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EEAEX03.us.epson.net ([148.130.32.21]) by EEAEX01.us.epson.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:38:19 -0700 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) Thread-Index: AcrnE4mExP6GCqSuSGeMHBktDmm3oAAlOu+w References: <001401cae30e$2a3cb7b0$7eb62710$@net><8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com><7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com><8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com><5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com><001101cae703$4f122db0$ed368910$@net> From: "Petrie, Glen" To: "Ira McDonald" , "William Wagner" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2010 14:38:19.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CBA3A20:01CAE7A9] X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org, George Liu X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: EE9847929C.A9C36 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Ira, I disagree with your comment (a) below; I believe the PWG email lists are t= he correct place to have open discussions on any aspect of PWG activities. = I don't believe that individuals should be told what is constructive or no= n-constructive comments or subject matter for emails. Some email content ma= y be out of scope but will be addressed by the PWG members. I hope that PWG= continue to be open forum for print standards. If other members of PWG disagree with me; then, I would like to who decides= what is constructive/non-constructive comments? Glen=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira > McDonald > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:44 PM > To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald > Cc: ipp@pwg.org; George Liu > Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 > April2010) >=20 > Hi Bill: >=20 > Comments on your points: >=20 > (a) I fail entirely to see the merit in beating up "IPP" on the > IPP WG mailing list - this is not constructive. >=20 > (b) IPP, like WebDAV and a dozen other IETF application > protocols in the last 10 years, uses HTTP over a unique > IANA-registered IP port number (not 80). Folks in the > REST camp would take particular issue with "transition", > as though SOAP was the only possible Web Services > binding. >=20 > Mike - we should abandon this PWG Formal Vote idea and > instead put this Charter up for PWG Last Call - PWG Process > doesn't allow non-editorial changes after a PWG Formal Vote. >=20 > This particular charter is *not* for Everywhere over some yet > to be determined transport. It's for IPP Everywhere - and that's > the only reasonable binding - because existing deployed printers > already support IPP - any new transport is a real-world loser for > the near-term mobile environment. >=20 > Cheers, > - Ira >=20 >=20 > This particular proposal > Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) > Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG > Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG > IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB > Blue Roof Music/High North Inc > http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic > http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc > mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com > winter: > 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 > 734-944-0094 > summer: > PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 > 906-494-2434 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, William Wagner > wrote: > > I would like to clarify that "my" suggestion that Ira cites was echoed > by > > others, primarily in response to (my understanding of) Mike's indication > > that he wanted to proceed with IPP-Everywhere only if there was > significant > > support from the industry (which is an excellent criterion). Putting it > up > > for vote both acts to engage more of the membership and =A0"requires" t= hat > > negative responses include an explanation of why it is rejected. There > > several generally acknowledged needs that IPP-Everywhere intends to > address, > > but also several different ideas about how they are best addressed. > > > > Looking at the Mike's IPP-Everywhere Wiki page > > (http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/IPP+Everywhere), the main points are a > > standard document format (or two) which should address much of the > driver > > issue, and a printer discovery method. These are critical issues, and > are > > also critical aspects of the Google CloudPrint initiative. But both by > name > > and by assumption, the solution is linked by many to IPP. And the > Charter > > makes this link very specific and very tight. > > > > Although I think that there is little question but that IPP represents > the > > refinement of printing semantics and that these semantics should be > > preserved in the next manifestation of printing interface, I do think > that > > there are differing views on whether this next manifestation should be > an > > add-on to IPP or a step beyond IPP. In favor of the former, the fact > that > > IPP is implemented in most networked printers suggests that an > > IPP-Everywhere that is an incremental addition to IPP should be well > > accepted by the industry as "good bang for the buck". But there is > another > > viewpoint that might maintain: > > =A0 =A0a. IPP has not been all that successful in terms of use, is not > > supported by current Windows OS's, and is regarded (or perhaps > disregarded) > > by some business sorts in the industry as a wasted effort. There was > even > > the suggestion that there is a negative perception of IPP and that the > "IPP" > > term be replaced in IPP-Everywhere (although no agreement on replaced > with > > what.) > > =A0 =A0b. IPP uses a "transition" transport of HTTP over IP, which seem= ed > > reasonable ten years ago, but is something of an anachronism in a world > > going with a "web services" approach. And one would expect that the > > Discovery, Eventing & Notification aspects that IPP-Everywhere needs > will > > come out of the Web Services world. Perhaps, when Google indicates that > > IPP-Everywhere addresses much of what is needed in CloudPrint but has > some > > serious things missing, and when they ask for a CloudPrint use case > using > > IPP-Everywhere, they may be thinking of issues in this area. > > > > So in considering the IPP-Everywhere charter, members must consider not > just > > whether IPP-Everywhere is a good and needed capability, I don't think > that > > there is much question about that, but whether the specific approach > > specified in the charter is the optimum way to produce the optimum > product. > > And hopefully members will comment on this one way or the other since > the > > comments and actual participation in the specification and development > of > > IPP-Everywhere will be much more significant than an up or down vote. > > > > Bill Wagner > > >=20 > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > ipp mailing list > ipp@pwg.org > https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Thu Apr 29 11:26:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629A33A6B57 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.598, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id djHnHKpBOXoI for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (www.pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760B228C287 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CE5792AD; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:25:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: ipp@pwg.org Delivered-To: ipp@pwg.org Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF25792A9 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pxi17 with SMTP id 17so3450676pxi.5 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:25:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=AgPXJyJIMHZrvPGBajaP6yDMzzZCmc5yFA5SpBS9eqU=; b=fpTEbhUrVfD8Wu5Un5o8CAm+umPLJfVOC+4VJWd1CcnV3+YhFAbWXKKIE+3JKactnb 6yGVyZtCYO+CJL1/DdZD8zLiB5DAeBL1yVVs3rqAqDjnzQkALblQ5ADalzyWA+PChhjT RgnIeaBZYviOWWaDjRBN9gS1CHwOzxIikvo5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bRtBx8Frj1LGQHZOuiR52L/a0YCMXc4N8cCAyMRy4AsleB4Ym/xAPIAKyN+F5Q0cKG SMNJtgIjvnC9tKrxHVSebi6N9/Tf6nZOVpx5fhxIpiKN8RoGGjTjU9LGCRM3ruvdH369 neb4TdECdlEiCsmeZKK1NT4D+7FeTU8P19Fd8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr5799399rvi.87.1272565546096; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.133.15 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:25:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193C5@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <7F39ACD5-11CD-4D66-9A41-7FFD15FE81B3@apple.com> <8B8709E6C8B8784583FA9C7C013CB4517193D2@etd1.etd.ussj.ricoh.com> <5E914B58-56A3-40AF-96E4-09C88F02D1E1@apple.com> <001101cae703$4f122db0$ed368910$@net> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:25:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 April2010) From: Ira McDonald To: "Petrie, Glen" , Ira McDonald Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: ipp@pwg.org X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 40CE5792AD.AAA6A X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Hi all, Sorry for various confusion. Bill - I meant that criticizing IPP transport because Microsoft doesn't make it easy (they (*do* support IPP in all Windows 7 distributions) isn't constructive. Though some printers (many less than IPP) do support WS-Print, a PWG standard (that also works in the Apple, Linux, UNIX, and mainframe markets) shouldn't specify WS-Print as a required transport for IPP Everywhere. Future open standard Web Services printing protocols are just that - future - not applicable to the IPP Everywhere topic. Glen - one or a few REQUIRED PDLs have always been an IPP Everywhere requirement, from the start. George - adding the requirement that common PDLs be emitted by a so-called "driverless client" (actually a client with a standard driver that is not vendor-built) is too restrictive and could (as Paul noted) delay the adoption of IPP Everywhere by many vendors. In a future IPP Everywhere requirements spec, iit might be a reasonable goal, but it does not belong in this Charter. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Petrie, Glen wrote: > Ira, > > I disagree with your comment (a) below; I believe the PWG email lists are= the correct place to have open discussions on any aspect of PWG activities= . =A0I don't believe that individuals should be told what is constructive o= r non-constructive comments or subject matter for emails. Some email conten= t may be out of scope but will be addressed by the PWG members. I hope that= PWG continue to be open forum for print standards. > > If other members of PWG disagree with me; then, I would like to who decid= es what is constructive/non-constructive comments? > > Glen > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org [mailto:ipp-bounces@pwg.org] On Behalf Of Ira >> McDonald >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:44 PM >> To: William Wagner; Ira McDonald >> Cc: ipp@pwg.org; George Liu >> Subject: Re: [IPP] Stable draft of IPP Everywhere Project Charter (17 >> April2010) >> >> Hi Bill: >> >> Comments on your points: >> >> (a) I fail entirely to see the merit in beating up "IPP" on the >> =A0 =A0 =A0 IPP WG mailing list - this is not constructive. >> >> (b) IPP, like WebDAV and a dozen other IETF application >> =A0 =A0 =A0 protocols in the last 10 years, uses HTTP over a unique >> =A0 =A0 =A0 IANA-registered IP port number (not 80). =A0Folks in the >> =A0 =A0 =A0 REST camp would take particular issue with "transition", >> =A0 =A0 =A0 as though SOAP was the only possible Web Services >> =A0 =A0 =A0 binding. >> >> Mike - we should abandon this PWG Formal Vote idea and >> instead put this Charter up for PWG Last Call - PWG Process >> doesn't allow non-editorial changes after a PWG Formal Vote. >> >> This particular charter is *not* for Everywhere over some yet >> to be determined transport. =A0It's for IPP Everywhere - and that's >> the only reasonable binding - because existing deployed printers >> already support IPP - any new transport is a real-world loser for >> the near-term mobile environment. >> >> Cheers, >> - Ira >> >> >> This particular proposal >> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) >> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG >> Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG >> IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB >> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc >> http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic >> http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc >> mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com >> winter: >> =A0 579 Park Place =A0Saline, MI =A048176 >> =A0 734-944-0094 >> summer: >> =A0 PO Box 221 =A0Grand Marais, MI 49839 >> =A0 906-494-2434 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, William Wagner >> wrote: >> > I would like to clarify that "my" suggestion that Ira cites was echoed >> by >> > others, primarily in response to (my understanding of) Mike's indicati= on >> > that he wanted to proceed with IPP-Everywhere only if there was >> significant >> > support from the industry (which is an excellent criterion). Putting it >> up >> > for vote both acts to engage more of the membership and =A0"requires" = that >> > negative responses include an explanation of why it is rejected. There >> > several generally acknowledged needs that IPP-Everywhere intends to >> address, >> > but also several different ideas about how they are best addressed. >> > >> > Looking at the Mike's IPP-Everywhere Wiki page >> > (http://pwg-wiki.wikispaces.com/IPP+Everywhere), the main points are a >> > standard document format (or two) which should address much of the >> driver >> > issue, and a printer discovery method. These are critical issues, and >> are >> > also critical aspects of the Google CloudPrint initiative. But both by >> name >> > and by assumption, the solution is linked by many to IPP. And the >> Charter >> > makes this link very specific and very tight. >> > >> > Although I think that there is little question but that IPP represents >> the >> > refinement of printing semantics and that these semantics should be >> > preserved in the next manifestation of printing interface, I do think >> that >> > there are differing views on whether this next manifestation should be >> an >> > add-on to IPP or a step beyond IPP. In favor of the former, the fact >> that >> > IPP is implemented in most networked printers suggests that an >> > IPP-Everywhere that is an incremental addition to IPP should be well >> > accepted by the industry as "good bang for the buck". But there is >> another >> > viewpoint that might maintain: >> > =A0 =A0a. IPP has not been all that successful in terms of use, is not >> > supported by current Windows OS's, and is regarded (or perhaps >> disregarded) >> > by some business sorts in the industry as a wasted effort. There was >> even >> > the suggestion that there is a negative perception of IPP and that the >> "IPP" >> > term be replaced in IPP-Everywhere (although no agreement on replaced >> with >> > what.) >> > =A0 =A0b. IPP uses a "transition" transport of HTTP over IP, which see= med >> > reasonable ten years ago, but is something of an anachronism in a world >> > going with a "web services" approach. And one would expect that the >> > Discovery, Eventing & Notification aspects that IPP-Everywhere needs >> will >> > come out of the Web Services world. Perhaps, when Google indicates that >> > IPP-Everywhere addresses much of what is needed in CloudPrint but has >> some >> > serious things missing, and when they ask for a CloudPrint use case >> using >> > IPP-Everywhere, they may be thinking of issues in this area. >> > >> > So in considering the IPP-Everywhere charter, members must consider not >> just >> > whether IPP-Everywhere is a good and needed capability, I don't think >> that >> > there is much question about that, but whether the specific approach >> > specified in the charter is the optimum way to produce the optimum >> product. >> > And hopefully members will comment on this one way or the other since >> the >> > comments and actual participation in the specification and development >> of >> > IPP-Everywhere will be much more significant than an up or down vote. >> > >> > Bill Wagner >> > >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ipp mailing list >> ipp@pwg.org >> https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ ipp mailing list ipp@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/ipp From pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Thu Apr 29 13:16:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD2C3A67D7 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:16:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vEgp7JxYtlhC for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (pwg.org [192.146.101.49]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2996A3A6ACC for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pwg.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09885792B7; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:16:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Delivered-To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Received: from mail-out4.apple.com (mail-out4.apple.com [17.254.13.23]) by pwg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29611792B5 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay14.apple.com (relay14.apple.com [17.128.113.52]) by mail-out4.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F679775EE7 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7b33ae000001768-86-4bd9e90c463e Received: from [17.151.91.176] (Unknown_Domain [17.151.91.176]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 65.5C.05992.C09E9DB4; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Sweet Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:16:12 -0700 To: pwg-announce@pwg.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAZE= X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Subject: [Pwg-Announce] Last Call - IPP Everywhere Charter and Slides X-BeenThere: pwg-announce@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Printer Working Group Announcement List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2056319235==" Sender: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: 09885792B7.AC840 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: pwg-announce-bounces@pwg.org --===============2056319235== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-55-59712801 --Apple-Mail-55-59712801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, This is the announcement to begin the Last Call process for the "IPP Everyw= here" charter and introductory slides. The Last Call will close on Friday,= May 28th. We will review and resolve all comments during the PWG Face to F= ace in Rochester, NY. Please review the charter and slides listed below and send comments to the = IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org). I will collect the comments for subsequent res= olution. Thanks, Mike IPP Everywhere Charter: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf IPP Everywhere Slides: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-slides-20100429.pdf ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail-55-59712801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii All,

Th= is is the announcement to begin the Last Call process for the "IPP Everywhe= re" charter and introductory slides.  The Last Call will close on Frid= ay, May 28th. We will review and resolve all comments during the PWG Face t= o Face in Rochester, NY.

Please review the charter= and slides listed below and send comments to the IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org). I will collect the comments for subs= equent resolution.

Thanks,

Mike


IPP Everywhere Charter:


IP= P Everywhere Slides:

    ftp= ://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-slides-20100429.pdf

________________________________________________________________= ________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair
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All,

This i= s the announcement to begin the Last Call process for the "IPP Everywhere" = charter and introductory slides.  The Last Call will close on Friday, = May 28th. We will review and resolve all comments during the PWG Face to Fa= ce in Rochester, NY.

Please review the charter and= slides listed below and send comments to the IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org). I will collect the comments for subseque= nt resolution.

Thanks,

Mi= ke


IPP Everywhere Charter:


IPP Ev= erywhere Slides:


____________________________________________________________________= ____



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The two major use cases for these language variants are: (1) Driver installation based on 1284 Device ID strings - i.e., selecting appropriate device drivers during local or network printer installation (2) Content generation based on 1284 Device ID strings - i.e., generating the correct subset of a language in an intelligent application generating print-ready output Please take a few minutes to review and comment. Cheers, - Ira (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB) Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Co-Chair - TCG Hardcopy WG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com winter: 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 summer: PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ira McDonald wro= te: > Hi, > > [For review at WIMS WG teleconference on 19 April 2010] > > > Added PCL3GUI in this second draft, per Mike Sweet's comment. > > Per requests from Linux Foundation Open Printing WG and Jerry > Thrasher (Lexmark), I just posted proposed text for new values of > PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC in the IANA Printer MIB at: > > =A0ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/pmp/iana/langpdf-20100414.txt > > These values specify variants of the PDF, PostScript, and PCL > printer languages, for machine-readable clarity (since the other > version fields in prtInterpreterTable in IETF Printer MIB are NOT > standardized and are therefore NOT reliably machine-readable). > > Full text is also included below (hint - view in a fixed width font). > > Cheers, > - Ira (IETF Designated Expert for IANA Printer MIB) > > ------------------------------------------ > Permanent enumerated name/value registrations for IANA Printer MIB > > In PrtInterpreterLangFamilyTC, delete comma after 'langXHTMLPrint(71)' > and add the following: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDFis(72), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- PWG PDF Image-S= treamable (PWG 5102.3) > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- ftp://pwg.org/p= ub/pwg/candidates/ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 cs-ifxpdfis= 10-20040315-5102.3.pdf > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP= DF' > =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF13(73), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable = Document Format v1.3 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob= e.com/devnet/ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD= FReference13.pdf > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP= DF' > =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF14(74), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable = Document Format v1.4 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob= e.com/devnet/ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD= FReference.pdf > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP= DF' > =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF15(75), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable = Document Format v1.5 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob= e.com/devnet/ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD= FReference15_v5.pdf > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP= DF' > =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF16(76), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable = Document Format v1.6 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob= e.com/devnet/ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 pdf/pdfs/PD= FReference16.pdf > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- See also 'langP= DF' > =A0 =A0 =A0 langPDF17(77), =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Not in RFC 3805 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Adobe Portable = Document Format v1.7 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- http://www.adob= e.com/devnet/ > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 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=A0blueroofmusic@gmail.com > --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ pwg-announce mailing list pwg-announce@pwg.org https://www.pwg.org/mailman/listinfo/pwg-announce From ipp-bounces@pwg.org Fri Apr 30 08:24:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipp-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AE53A6975 for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:24:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.184 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BwpJGu9x9a8V for ; Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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X-pwg-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean Cc: X-BeenThere: ipp@pwg.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Internet Printing Protocol \(current\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1441808103==" Sender: ipp-bounces@pwg.org Errors-To: ipp-bounces@pwg.org X-pwg-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-pwg-MailScanner-ID: DFA89792C4.A8662 X-pwg-MailScanner-From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1441808103== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAE879.1F8FCDB3" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAE879.1F8FCDB3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, =20 The slides are nice but why are we voting on them? 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Thanks, Mike IPP Everywhere Charter: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf IPP Everywhere Slides: ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-slides-20100429.pdf ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 dangerous content by MailScanner , and is=20 believed to be clean.=20 --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAE879.1F8FCDB3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Michael,
 
The slides are nice but why are = we voting on them?  Shouldn't everything be in the charter?
 
Gail

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To: ipp@pwg.o= rg
Subject: [IPP] Last Call - IPP Everywhere Charter and Slides
[Resending a copy to the IPP list as well...]

All,=20

This is the announcement to begin the Last Call process for the "IPP E= verywhere" charter and introductory slides.  The Last Call will close = on Friday, May 28th. We will review and resolve all comments during the PWG= Face to Face in Rochester, NY.

Please review the charter and slides listed below and send comments to= the IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org). I will= collect the comments for subsequent resolution.

Thanks,

Mike


IPP Everywhere Charter:


IPP Everywhere Slides:


_________= _______________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair




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Once we have agreem= ent on the charter, we'll do a formal vote with the final charter. I included updated slides since they provide the back-story for the charter= , which I think some people are missing based on the comments so far. Longe= r term they may also be useful as material for the specs and any introducto= ry content we decide to provide. On Apr 30, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Gail Giansiracusa wrote: > Hi Michael, >=20=20 > The slides are nice but why are we voting on them? Shouldn't everything = be in the charter? >=20=20 > Gail >=20 > From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org on behalf of Michael Sweet > Sent: Thu 4/29/2010 1:41 PM > To: ipp@pwg.org > Subject: [IPP] Last Call - IPP Everywhere Charter and Slides >=20 > [Resending a copy to the IPP list as well...] >=20 > All, >=20 > This is the announcement to begin the Last Call process for the "IPP Ever= ywhere" charter and introductory slides. The Last Call will close on Frida= y, May 28th. We will review and resolve all comments during the PWG Face to= Face in Rochester, NY. >=20 > Please review the charter and slides listed below and send comments to th= e IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org). I will collect the comments for subsequent r= esolution. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Mike >=20 >=20 > IPP Everywhere Charter: >=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-charter-20100417.pdf >=20 > IPP Everywhere Slides: >=20 > ftp://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/ipp/wd/wd-ippeverywhere-slides-20100429.pdf >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > This message has been scanned for viruses and=20 > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is=20 > believed to be clean. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair --=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --Apple-Mail-9-129243630 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii This isn't a call for vote= , this is a last call for comments since there is still some question about= the content of the charter.  Once we have agreement on the charter, w= e'll do a formal vote with the final charter.

I included= updated slides since they provide the back-story for the charter, which&nb= sp;I think some people are missing based on the comments so far. Longe= r term they may also be useful as material for the specs and any introducto= ry content we decide to provide.

On Apr = 30, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Gail Giansiracusa wrote:

Hi Micha= el,
 
The slides are nice but wh= y are we voting on them?  Shouldn't everything be in the charter?
 
Gail

From: ipp-bounces@pwg.org on behalf of Michael Sweet
Sent: Thu 4/29/2010 1:41 PM
To: ipp@pw= g.org
Subject: [IPP] Last Call - IPP Everywhere Charter and S= lides

[Resending a copy to the IPP list as well...]

All,=20

This is the announcement to begin the Last Call process for the "IPP E= verywhere" charter and introductory slides.  The Last Call will close = on Friday, May 28th. We will review and resolve all comments during the PWG= Face to Face in Rochester, NY.

Please review the charter and slides listed below and send comments to= the IPP reflector (ipp@pwg.org). I will= collect the comments for subsequent resolution.

Thanks,

Mike


IPP Everywhere Charter:


IPP Everywhere Slides:


_______= _________________________________________________________________
Michael Sweet, Senior Printing System Engineer, PWG Chair


=


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