From albherre@cisco.com Sat Mar 3 10:39:36 2001 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA20572 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 10:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from franklin.cisco.com (franklin.cisco.com [171.70.156.17]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA06759 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (toronto-isdn-19.cisco.com [10.18.14.19]) by franklin.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id GAA26118 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 06:38:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AA10278.117A5CCD@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 09:40:56 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ptrings@cisco.com" Subject: IPORPR Mailing List Change Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As suggested at the San Diego IETF, a new mailing list for
IPORPR is being established to better reflect the WG name.

The new mailing list is as follows:

General Discussion: iporpr@cisco.com
To Subscribe:       iporpr-request@cisco.com
     In Body:       subscribe iporpr

Changes will be made this weekend and everyone on the old
ptrings mailing list will be moved to the new one.

The profile of the IPORPR WG mailing list, as of today, is as
follows: 265 subscribers from 150 distinct organizations.

Thanks,
Albert

 
  From owner-iporpr@cisco.com Sun Mar 4 09:28:05 2001 Received: from cliff.cisco.com (cliff.cisco.com [171.69.11.90]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id JAA11164 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 09:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (daemon@localhost) by cliff.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id GAA19281; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:27:28 -0800 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 06:27:28 -0800 Message-Id: <200103041427.GAA19281@cliff.cisco.com> To: iporpr-archive@ietf.org From: mailer@cisco.com Subject: Welcome to iporpr Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mailer@cisco.com -- Welcome to the iporpr mailing list! If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to "mailer@cisco.com" with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe iporpr iporpr-archive@lists.ietf.org Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: [Last updated on: Wed Jan 31 12:57:43 PST 2001] There was no detailed information entered by the list owner. From albherre@cisco.com Mon Mar 5 12:33:11 2001 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA22688 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from franklin.cisco.com (franklin.cisco.com [171.70.156.17]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24940 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (toronto-isdn-99.cisco.com [10.18.14.99]) by franklin.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id IAA20742 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:55:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AA3C57D.D03F9CE@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 11:57:33 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "iporpr@cisco.com" Subject: [Fwd: IPORPR Mailing List Change] Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone on the old ptrings mailing list was moved to
the new iporpr list. Please start using iporpr@cisco.com
for general discussions.

Thanks,
Albert

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:  IPORPR Mailing List Change
Date:  Sat, 03 Mar 2001 09:40:56 -0500
From:  Albert Herrera <albherre@cisco.com>
Organization:  Cisco Systems, Inc.
To:  "ptrings@cisco.com" <ptrings@external.cisco.com>

As suggested at the San Diego IETF, a new mailing list for
IPORPR is being established to better reflect the WG name.

The new mailing list is as follows:

General Discussion: iporpr@cisco.com
To Subscribe:       iporpr-request@cisco.com
     In Body:       subscribe iporpr

Changes will be made this weekend and everyone on the old
ptrings mailing list will be moved to the new one.

The profile of the IPORPR WG mailing list, as of today, is as
follows: 265 subscribers from 150 distinct organizations.

Thanks,
Albert
 

  From albherre@cisco.com Fri Mar 9 13:16:52 2001 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id NAA27579 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from franklin.cisco.com (franklin.cisco.com [171.70.156.17]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13031 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (toronto-isdn-219.cisco.com [10.18.14.219]) by franklin.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id KAA20741 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 10:00:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AA91ABD.EA1A683F@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 13:02:37 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "iporpr@cisco.com" Subject: [Fwd: IPORPR Mailing List Change] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone on the old ptrings mailing list was moved to the new iporpr list. Please start using iporpr@cisco.com for general discussions. (This is a repeat notice. Somehow the last message formatting was unreadable). Albert -------- Original Message -------- Subject: IPORPR Mailing List Change Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 09:40:56 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. To: "ptrings@cisco.com" As suggested at the San Diego IETF, a new mailing list for IPORPR is being established to better reflect the WG name. The new mailing list is as follows: General Discussion: iporpr@cisco.com To Subscribe: iporpr-request@cisco.com In Body: subscribe iporpr Changes will be made this weekend and everyone on the old ptrings mailing list will be moved to the new one. The profile of the IPORPR WG mailing list, as of today, is as follows: 265 subscribers from 150 distinct organizations. Thanks, Albert From albherre@cisco.com Fri Mar 16 00:33:45 2001 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA16449 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from franklin.cisco.com (franklin.cisco.com [171.70.156.17]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA14550 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (sj-dial-2-4.cisco.com [10.19.226.5]) by franklin.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id VAA08222 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:21:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AB1A34A.221DA3FD@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:23:22 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "iporpr@cisco.com" Subject: [Fwd: IPORPR WG 50th IETF Agenda] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agenda for next weeks IPORPR WG. Albert Herrera wrote: > > IP over Resilient Packet Rings WG (iporpr) > > Tuesday, March 20 at 13:00-14:00 > ================================ > > CHAIRS: Frank Kastenholz > Albert Herrera > > AGENDA: > > IEEE 802.17 RPRWG Update 10 Mins > - Albert Herrera > 802.17 WG Status > 802.17 WG and IPORPR WG document sharing > > Presentation & Discussion on IPORPR Framework Doc 20 Mins > - Russ White > > > Presentation & discussion on Charter expansion & Mods 20 Mins > - Nasir Ghani > "Synergies Between Optical and Packet Rings" > > Wrap Up & Next Steps 10 Mins From albherre@cisco.com Fri Mar 16 00:36:01 2001 Received: from rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com [161.44.11.97]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA16461 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from franklin.cisco.com (franklin.cisco.com [171.70.156.17]) by rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12525 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (sj-dial-2-4.cisco.com [10.19.226.5]) by franklin.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id VAA08806 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:22:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AB1A38A.B8F5F9D6@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:24:26 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "iporpr@cisco.com" Subject: [Fwd: IPORPR WG Revised Agenda] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agenda for next weeks IPORPR WG. Albert Herrera wrote: > > IP over Resilient Packet Rings WG (iporpr) > > Tuesday, March 20 at 13:00-14:00 > ================================ > > CHAIRS: Frank Kastenholz > Albert Herrera > > AGENDA: > > Agenda Bashing 5 Mins > > IEEE 802.17 RPRWG Update 10 Mins > - Albert Herrera > 802.17 WG Status > 802.17 WG and IPORPR WG document sharing > > Presentation & Discussion on IPORPR Framework Doc 15 Mins > - Russ White > > > Presentation & discussion on Charter expansion & Mods > - Nasir Ghani 10 Mins > "Synergies Between Optical and Packet Rings" > - Papadimitriou Dimitri > draft-papadimitriou-optical-rings-00.txt 10 Mins. > > Wrap Up & Next Steps 10 Mins From chair@ietf.org Mon Mar 19 18:44:15 2001 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA26205 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from FRED-W2K.ietf.org (sjc-vpn-365.cisco.com [10.21.65.109]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27936; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:12:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010319165943.045b1d30@mira-sjcm-2.cisco.com> X-Sender: fred@flipper.cisco.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:02:55 -0600 To: iporpr@external.cisco.com From: Fred Baker Subject: Establishment of Temporary Sub-IP Area Cc: scott_Bradner , bert Wijnen , harald Alvestrand Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com id PAA27936 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id SAA26205 The IESG has decided to incorporate the sub-IP working groups, which are currently chartered in the General Area, into a temporary area. The area directors will be Scott Bradner and Bert Wijnen. With that change, and perhaps some jiggling of IESG Technical Advisers, the current working group charters remain unchanged and represent your work plan. Long term, the IESG expects to review the process of the development of this technology and determine whether the IETF needs to further formalize this area or not. The IESG currently believes that this will not be necessary; once a strong architecture is in place here, remaining work can be re-absorbed into other areas such as Operations or Routing. However, we know all too well that we have been incorrect in the past, and may be incorrect here. Part of that discussion will have to be the meta-question of exactly what the boundaries of the IETF's role are. Clearly, the Internet Engineering Task Force is interested in the Engineering of the Internet, which we define as including any network, private or public, metropolitan, local, or global, which content embedded in an IP packet crosses between two domains. It includes a discussion of any link or intra-network technology IP uses, as in the past it has included discussions of Ethernet and extended Ethernets, occasional and continuous serial links, X.25 networks, Frame Relay, and ATM. But it does not necessarily include all aspects of those technologies, or all of their users. Clearly, we need to be prepared to step in when nobody else is doing a bit of work that the Internet depends on. Equally clearly, we do not presume expertise in every area, and are willing to capitalize on work done by other bodies such as ITU-T and IEEE. This dividing line is fuzzy and needs clarification. The arguments that bring us to accept sub-IP work in the IETF are principally that · The work depends on IP expertise which is here, · That it is critical to the development of the IP infrastructure, and · That it directly or indirectly affects operations or routing at the IP layer. For example, optical networking is clearly a next generation requirement for service providers and for fiber consortia. However, the obvious next hop router in a general network may differ from the obvious next hop router in an optical network. Therefore, the use of optical networking may change the results that we need to get from routing protocols. It would be better for us to determine how the routing protocols should model those networks than for another body to arbitrarily change them or substitute others. I trust that you will find your new area directors supportive and helpful in accomplishing your goals, and expect that you will work with them to accomplish theirs. From albherre@cisco.com Fri Mar 23 00:50:41 2001 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id AAA10219 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from franklin.cisco.com (franklin.cisco.com [171.70.156.17]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17731 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from cisco.com (toronto-isdn-161.cisco.com [10.18.14.161]) by franklin.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id VAA11297; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:37:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3ABAE19A.DB56D3D9@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:39:38 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "iporpr@cisco.com" CC: Frank Kastenholz Subject: 50th IETF - IPORPR WG Minutes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 50th IETF - IPORPR WG Meeting Minutes ------------------------------------- The IP Over Resilient Packet Rings working group met 20 Mar 2001. Albert Herrera and Frank Kastenholz chaired the meeting. Frank Kastenholz kept the minutes. Scott Bradner of the IESG gave a brief presentation on the new Sub-IP area. Albert Herrera gave a presentation on the status of the IEEE 802.17 work. Access to the IEEE documents by the IETF working group was raised as an issue. Russ White gave a presentation on the framework document. A discussion ensued on the suitability of doing ISIS and OSPF work in the context of this working group (or at all). The working group decided that the working group would continue to focus on the current chartered work items. N. Ghani presented "Synergies Between Optical and Packet Rings" as a possible work item to add to the working group's charter. The working group decided that this work would be better done in the CCAMP working group and so will be taken there. Dimitri Papadimitriou presented "Optical Rings and Hybrid Mesh Rings on Optical Networks" as a possible work item to add to the working group's charter. After significant discussion, the working group decided that this work would better be done TEWG, among others, and the work will be taken there. Albert Herrera presented a wrapup. The meeting adjourned. From dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be Mon Mar 26 18:26:32 2001 Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA20283 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com [171.69.2.19]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA15547 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy1.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2QMhS721913 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay1.alcatel.be (alc119.alcatel.be [195.207.101.119]) by proxy1.cisco.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2QMhLi10090 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from bemail05.net.alcatel.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay1.alcatel.be (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f2QMSOU19571; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:28:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alcatel.be ([138.203.67.90]) by bemail05.net.alcatel.be (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) with SMTP id C1256A1B.007B6D70; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:28:09 +0200 Message-ID: <3ABFB911.ADAABBF1@alcatel.be> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:48:01 +0200 From: Papadimitriou Dimitri Organization: Alcatel - IPO NSG X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Herrera CC: "iporpr@cisco.com" , Frank Kastenholz Subject: Re: 50th IETF - IPORPR WG Minutes References: <3ABAE19A.DB56D3D9@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CCC3C56C145C0FE964CAD2AA" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CCC3C56C145C0FE964CAD2AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Albert and all, Some in-line comments about the minutes: They are related to the following question: when an item is moved to antoher WG like it is the case here for the CCAMP and the TE wouldn't be useful first to now if these WG will include those items prior to move them ? What's the "global" consensus about this integration since these issues were not discussed during these meetings (not on the agenda) ? Thanks. - Dimitri. Albert Herrera wrote: > 50th IETF - IPORPR WG Meeting Minutes > ------------------------------------- > > The IP Over Resilient Packet Rings working > group met 20 Mar 2001. > > Albert Herrera and Frank Kastenholz chaired the > meeting. Frank Kastenholz kept the minutes. > > Scott Bradner of the IESG gave a brief presentation on the > new Sub-IP area. > > Albert Herrera gave a presentation on the status of the IEEE > 802.17 work. Access to the IEEE documents by the IETF working > group was raised as an issue. > > Russ White gave a presentation on the framework document. A discussion > ensued on the suitability of doing ISIS and OSPF work in the context > of this working group (or at all). The working group decided that > the working group would continue to focus on the current chartered > work items. > > N. Ghani presented "Synergies Between Optical and Packet Rings" > as a possible work item to add to the working group's charter. > The working group decided that this work would be better done > in the CCAMP working group and so will be taken there. > - Yes but do we have already the CCAMP agreement for that purpose ? > > Dimitri Papadimitriou presented "Optical Rings and Hybrid Mesh > Rings on Optical Networks" as a possible work item to add to the > working group's charter. After significant discussion, the working > group decided that this work would better be done TEWG, among > others, and the work will be taken there. > - Same for the TE WG > > Albert Herrera presented a wrapup. > > The meeting adjourned. --------------CCC3C56C145C0FE964CAD2AA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dimitri.papadimitriou.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Papadimitriou Dimitri Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dimitri.papadimitriou.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:;Papadimitriou Dimitri tel;home:+32 2 343-4361 tel;work:+32 3 240-8491 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Alcatel NSG-NA;Network Strategy Group version:2.1 email;internet:dimitri.papadimitriou@alcatel.be title:R&D Senior Engineer - Optical Networking adr;quoted-printable:;;Francis Wellesplein, 1=0D=0AB-2018 Antwerpen=0D=0ABelgium;;;; fn:Papadimitriou Dimitri end:vcard --------------CCC3C56C145C0FE964CAD2AA-- From albherre@cisco.com Tue Mar 27 14:30:30 2001 Received: from rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com [161.44.11.97]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA27195 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from franklin.cisco.com (franklin.cisco.com [171.70.156.17]) by rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24309 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (ott-b1-dhcp-10-85-31-198.cisco.com [10.85.31.198]) by franklin.cisco.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id KAA18135; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:32:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AC0DD2F.D8C3F801@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:34:23 -0500 From: Albert Herrera Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Papadimitriou Dimitri CC: "iporpr@cisco.com" , Frank Kastenholz Subject: Re: 50th IETF - IPORPR WG Minutes References: <3ABAE19A.DB56D3D9@cisco.com> <3ABFB911.ADAABBF1@alcatel.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dimitri, Would suggest you discuss it with the corresponding WG chairs in CCAMP and TE. They should be able to advise you as to how it fits into their current charters. Albert Papadimitriou Dimitri wrote: > > Albert and all, > > Some in-line comments about the minutes: > > They are related to the following question: when an item is moved > to antoher WG like it is the case here for the CCAMP and the TE > wouldn't be useful first to now if these WG will include those items > prior to move them ? What's the "global" consensus about this > integration since these issues were not discussed during these > meetings (not on the agenda) ? > > Thanks. > > - Dimitri. >