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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Thread-Index: Aclrsk2d15kwmQ7MSISbw/7KOnD4QwAzfM2Q References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> From: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2009 02:57:49.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5C89DB0:01C96C85] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=4714; t=1230865069; x=1231729069; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=shemant@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20DAD=20failure=20for=20global=20IPv6=20a ddresses? |Sender:=20 |To:=20,=20; bh=uBxSiuv6dzIn8Ln0HrbSN7v5msmaq+2uL1jHiDZhcio=; b=cmE1hWlr80Y7hX94lBA+F54GlQZ8Hf2j77S/jzPzxTEhsUftST4BQHfBZr vkFVCEZxd/BIHuiXIHePxVqz2xRm3VR16NI/z+agXOdGMDiFsHeq3BgwjKIQ bEd/ZFcpKG; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=shemant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0842477491==" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0842477491== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C96C85.E58691E6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96C85.E58691E6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, your email sounds a little confusing to me. Specifically, are you talking about a network interface on a router where the interface fails DAD during acquiring a global IPv6 address? Or are you talking about a node (potentially a host) in an IPv6 routed network where a network interface on the node failed DAD for a global IPv6 address? Also, I take it when you say "DAD failed", you mean the sending interface of the DAD has received an NA signaling a duplicate for the global address? =20 If a duplicate for a global address is found in the network, then the network interface that send the DAD should not use the global IPv6 address to source any packets that need a global address for source. See text like the following snipped from section 5.4 of RFC 4861 =20 [The procedure for detecting duplicate addresses uses Neighbor Solicitation and Advertisement messages as described below. If a duplicate address is discovered during the procedure, the address cannot be assigned to the interface. ] =20 Nowhere does the text above differentiate between a link-local or a global address, so the rule applies to a global address a well. =20 Happy New Year to everyone on this mailer. =20 Hemant ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96C85.E58691E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, your email sounds a little confusing to = me. =20 Specifically, are you talking about a network interface on a router = where the=20 interface fails DAD during acquiring a global IPv6 address?  Or are = you=20 talking about a node (potentially a host) in an IPv6 routed network = where a=20 network interface on the node failed DAD for a global IPv6 = address?  Also,=20 I take it when you say "DAD failed", you mean the sending interface of = the DAD=20 has received an NA signaling a duplicate for the global=20 address?
 
If a duplicate for a global address is found = in the=20 network, then the network interface that send the DAD should not use the = global=20 IPv6 address to source any packets that need a global address for = source. =20 See text like the following snipped from section 5.4 of RFC=20 4861
 
[The procedure for detecting duplicate = addresses uses=20 Neighbor
  Solicitation and Advertisement messages as = described=20 below.  If a
  duplicate address is discovered during = the=20 procedure, the address
  cannot be assigned to the = interface.=20 ]
 
Nowhere does the text above differentiate = between a=20 link-local or a global address, so the rule applies to a global address = a=20 well.
 
Happy New Year to everyone on this=20 mailer.
 
Hemant

------_=_NextPart_001_01C96C85.E58691E6-- --===============0842477491== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============0842477491==-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 1 19:02:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923673A69FF; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:02:36 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B593A69FF for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:02:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.757 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.757 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.841, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OUliQl-jtFOZ for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FA73A6999 for ; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:02:34 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.36,316,1228089600"; d="scan'208,217";a="32492708" Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Jan 2009 03:02:22 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0232MWL021855; Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:02:22 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0232Mj5023574; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 03:02:22 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20e.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.40]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:02:21 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Thread-Index: Aclrsk2d15kwmQ7MSISbw/7KOnD4QwAzfM2QAAGL1EA= References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> From: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" To: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2009 03:02:21.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[87DDD750:01C96C86] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=5987; t=1230865342; x=1231729342; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=shemant@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20DAD=20failure=20for=20global=20IPv6=20a ddresses? |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20,=20,=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20; bh=9kBqu1qwC/1Gb3VD0BTuYaRqEZYGSqCiVsURyDVQp9s=; b=G0K7Ji3CVqKQlsJllsAzWlrIvt+BUuV9zaQm3VbsecVwjEne8ffj+KbrMM M/BhLzVmWW8p1+EW/AHUZ4V9x1Anteb+AoK+1SXjEdLSPbQccdc+7vcfExqj P1xpWljUiV; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=shemant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0952817590==" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0952817590== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C96C86.87AB0FC2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96C86.87AB0FC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I meant, section 5.4 of RFC 4862, not RFC 4861. =20 Hemant ________________________________ From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hemant Singh (shemant) Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:58 PM To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com; ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Sorry, your email sounds a little confusing to me. Specifically, are you talking about a network interface on a router where the interface fails DAD during acquiring a global IPv6 address? Or are you talking about a node (potentially a host) in an IPv6 routed network where a network interface on the node failed DAD for a global IPv6 address? Also, I take it when you say "DAD failed", you mean the sending interface of the DAD has received an NA signaling a duplicate for the global address? =20 If a duplicate for a global address is found in the network, then the network interface that send the DAD should not use the global IPv6 address to source any packets that need a global address for source. See text like the following snipped from section 5.4 of RFC 4861 =20 [The procedure for detecting duplicate addresses uses Neighbor Solicitation and Advertisement messages as described below. If a duplicate address is discovered during the procedure, the address cannot be assigned to the interface. ] =20 Nowhere does the text above differentiate between a link-local or a global address, so the rule applies to a global address a well. =20 Happy New Year to everyone on this mailer. =20 Hemant ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96C86.87AB0FC2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, I meant, section 5.4 of RFC 4862, not = RFC=20 4861.
 
Hemant

From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org=20 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hemant Singh=20 (shemant)
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:58 = PM
To:=20 Peter.Hunt@nokia.com; ipv6@ietf.org
Subject: RE: DAD failure = for=20 global IPv6 addresses?

Sorry, your email sounds a little confusing to = me. =20 Specifically, are you talking about a network interface on a router = where the=20 interface fails DAD during acquiring a global IPv6 address?  Or are = you=20 talking about a node (potentially a host) in an IPv6 routed network = where a=20 network interface on the node failed DAD for a global IPv6 = address?  Also,=20 I take it when you say "DAD failed", you mean the sending interface of = the DAD=20 has received an NA signaling a duplicate for the global=20 address?
 
If a duplicate for a global address is found = in the=20 network, then the network interface that send the DAD should not use the = global=20 IPv6 address to source any packets that need a global address for = source. =20 See text like the following snipped from section 5.4 of RFC=20 4861
 
[The procedure for detecting duplicate = addresses uses=20 Neighbor
  Solicitation and Advertisement messages as = described=20 below.  If a
  duplicate address is discovered during = the=20 procedure, the address
  cannot be assigned to the = interface.=20 ]
 
Nowhere does the text above differentiate = between a=20 link-local or a global address, so the rule applies to a global address = a=20 well.
 
Happy New Year to everyone on this=20 mailer.
 
Hemant

------_=_NextPart_001_01C96C86.87AB0FC2-- --===============0952817590== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============0952817590==-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 2 10:20:58 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857DB3A681D; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:20:58 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFDE3A681D for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:20:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8MWR8BwT2YiM for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382323A66B4 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n02IKIU0007966; Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:19 +0200 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:17 +0200 Received: from vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.69]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:17 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:20:17 +0200 Message-ID: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C5@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? thread-index: Aclrsk2d15kwmQ7MSISbw/7KOnD4QwAzfM2QACDUEvk= References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2009 18:20:17.0842 (UTC) FILETIME=[C3C44120:01C96D06] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1274023021==" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1274023021== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C96D06.C3BCC6C5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96D06.C3BCC6C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hermant, =20 thanks very much for your reply. =20 To answer your questions, I am talking about a network interface on a = router where the interface fails DAD for a global IPv6 address. "DAD = failure" means that the interface received an NA or a DAD NS for the = tentative global address, signalling a duplicate on another system on = that link. =20 I understand that the global address is not assigned to the interface, = but I'm really asking about the implications of that on the behaviour of = the router. =20 The RFC states that the failure of a link-local address causes all IPv6 = traffic to/from that interface to be dropped, and this led me to wonder = about the effect of a global address DAD failure on traffic. =20 >From the RFC excerpt you gave, I would infer that on DAD failure of a = global address, the router doesn't install the address, and forwards all = traffic to/from that network based on the contents of its forwarding = table. It does no special filtering of packets that are sourced from or = destined to that network. =20 Do you agree? =20 Thanks, Peter ________________________________ From: ext Hemant Singh (shemant) [mailto:shemant@cisco.com] Sent: Thu 1/1/2009 6:57 PM To: Hunt Peter (Nokia-S&S/MtView); ipv6@ietf.org Subject: RE: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Sorry, your email sounds a little confusing to me. Specifically, are = you talking about a network interface on a router where the interface = fails DAD during acquiring a global IPv6 address? Or are you talking = about a node (potentially a host) in an IPv6 routed network where a = network interface on the node failed DAD for a global IPv6 address? = Also, I take it when you say "DAD failed", you mean the sending = interface of the DAD has received an NA signaling a duplicate for the = global address? =20 If a duplicate for a global address is found in the network, then the = network interface that send the DAD should not use the global IPv6 = address to source any packets that need a global address for source. = See text like the following snipped from section 5.4 of RFC 4861 =20 [The procedure for detecting duplicate addresses uses Neighbor Solicitation and Advertisement messages as described below. If a duplicate address is discovered during the procedure, the address cannot be assigned to the interface. ] =20 Nowhere does the text above differentiate between a link-local or a = global address, so the rule applies to a global address a well. =20 Happy New Year to everyone on this mailer. =20 Hemant ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96D06.C3BCC6C5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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Hermant,
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thanks very much for = your reply.
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To answer your = questions, I am talking about a network interface on a router where the = interface fails DAD for a global IPv6 address. "DAD failure" means that = the interface received an NA or a DAD NS for the tentative global = address, signalling a duplicate on another system on that = link.
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I understand that the = global address is not assigned to the interface, but I'm really asking = about the implications of that on the behaviour of the = router.
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The RFC states that = the failure of a link-local address causes all IPv6 traffic to/from that = interface to be dropped, and this led me to wonder about the effect of a = global address DAD failure on traffic.
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From the RFC excerpt = you gave, I would infer that on DAD failure of a global address, the = router doesn't install the address, and forwards all traffic to/from = that network based on the contents of its forwarding table. It does no = special filtering of packets that are sourced from or destined to that = network.
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Do you = agree?
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Thanks,
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Peter
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=0A= From: ext Hemant Singh (shemant) = [mailto:shemant@cisco.com]
Sent: Thu 1/1/2009 6:57 = PM
To: Hunt Peter (Nokia-S&S/MtView); = ipv6@ietf.org
Subject: RE: DAD failure for global IPv6 = addresses?

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Sorry, your email sounds a little = confusing to me.  Specifically, are you talking about a network = interface on a router where the interface fails DAD during acquiring a = global IPv6 address?  Or are you talking about a node (potentially = a host) in an IPv6 routed network where a network interface on the node = failed DAD for a global IPv6 address?  Also, I take it when you say = "DAD failed", you mean the sending interface of the DAD has received an = NA signaling a duplicate for the global address?
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If a duplicate for a global address is found = in the network, then the network interface that send the DAD should not = use the global IPv6 address to source any packets that need a global = address for source.  See text like the following snipped from = section 5.4 of RFC 4861
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[The = procedure for detecting duplicate addresses uses = Neighbor
  Solicitation and Advertisement messages as = described below.  If a
  duplicate address is = discovered during the procedure, the address
  cannot be = assigned to the interface. ]
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Nowhere does the text above differentiate = between a link-local or a global address, so the rule applies to a = global address a well.
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Happy New Year to everyone on this = mailer.
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Hemant
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In-Reply-To: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C5@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C5@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > From the RFC excerpt you gave, I would infer that on DAD failure of a global > address, the router doesn't install the address, and forwards all traffic > to/from that network based on the contents of its forwarding table. It does > no special filtering of packets that are sourced from or destined to that > network. > > Do you agree? > > Thanks, > Peter This sounds to me like a recipe for a hard-to-debug problem. I assume that when this DAD failure happens you'd have to stop sending RAs and responding to RSs (or ...?). So the only way the router should be seeing packets destined to this interface would be either some misconfiguration OR a cached RA/RS response where the max/valid lifetimes had not yet expired AND a neighbor re-discovery had not yet been performed. I haven't computed how long this could in theory persist. 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With regards, Prejeeth.K ------=_Part_179068_2242004.1230985750459 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi All,

With regard t= o RFC 4443 erratta,

http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_sea= rch.php?rfc=3D4443

o  Appendix A= contains the change item:

- "Added specification that all ICMP error messages shall have exactly 32 bit= s of type-specific data, so that receivers can reliably find the embedded invoking packet even when they don't recognize the= ICMP message Type= "

 Please let me know if anything additional needs to be taken care by existing implementations to support the above sai= d information, with regard to RFC 4443 compliance, since the previous ICMP<= /span>v6 draft already had a 32 bit type specific information in its ICMPv6 message format.

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To: atompub-archive@megatron.ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Adolfo, How about buying yourself a two Omega watches the same day? It's not impossible, mostly when you can get them for a couple hundred bucks http://www.wanecalls.com/ Take advantage of our christmas specials and get yourself {$WATCH$} watch that you've always wanted! http://www.wanecalls.com/ Our Omega have all appropriate markings, wordings and engravings same as orginal. 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 5 07:31:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EB33A6864; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:31:14 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C5528C0E8 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:31:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QZ43QFC8RW1H for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [198.24.6.9]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951D628C0E7 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se (eusrcmw751.exu.ericsson.se [138.85.77.51]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n05FZb2v015205; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:35:37 -0600 Received: from eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se ([138.85.77.50]) by eusrcmw751.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:30:57 -0600 Received: from [142.133.10.113] ([142.133.10.113]) by eusrcmw750.eamcs.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:30:56 -0600 Message-ID: <49622813.9070301@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:32:35 -0500 From: Suresh Krishnan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com Subject: Re: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 15:30:56.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A9AD070:01C96F4A] Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi Peter, There are really two questions hidden in your question. Peter.Hunt@nokia.com wrote: > All, > > I have a question about what the correct behaviour should be for a > router if a global address fails DAD. > > Specifically, if an interface has a link-local address which passes DAD, > but also has a global address configured which is not based on the > hardware address, and which fails DAD, what packets should be allowed > in/out of the interface? If the global address fails DAD, it should not be configured on the interface. i.e. The only IPv6 address configured on the interface will be the link local address. > > Should the system behave exactly as though the global address was > absent? That is, should the router forward packets to or from the failed > address/network based on whatever routes exist in the forwarding table? Routing and forwarding decisions are completely independent of what addresses are configured on the interface. Contrary to IPv4 behavior, the configuration of an address using P::/64 prefix does not automatically add a route to the P::/64 prefix. What prefixes are on-link is determined by a) on a router - by configuration b) on a host - by information contained in the RAs This means that you can add a route pointing to the right interface for the P::/64 prefix even if DAD failed for an address configured using this prefix on the same interface. Cheers Suresh -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 5 09:47:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361573A689E; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:47:23 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFF83A686B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:22:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tycMNv3qmq-c for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhuapl.edu (pilot.jhuapl.edu [128.244.198.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 648F83A677E for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 09:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ([128.244.206.11]) by pilot.jhuapl.edu with ESMTP with TLS id 5502123.130723260; Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: <496241C0.2040400@innovationslab.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 12:22:08 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Subject: Re: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to Proposed Standard References: <20081212175407.328433A6B08@core3.amsl.com> <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161872E@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> <4943212E.6020300@gmail.com> <49440BCD.50405@piuha.net> <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161873B@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161873B@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:47:22 -0800 Cc: 6man mailing list , Bob Hinden X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Jeff, I do not see a consensus for making that type of change in the IPv6 Addressing Architecture. I believe that the follow-up comments discussing how embedded the 64-bit boundary is are quite telling. Regards, Brian Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > Jari and Brian, > > Would the 6man group consider an update to RFC 4291 that is contains > less prescriptive language? If so, I would be happy to undertake that > task. Please let me know. > > Best Regards, > > Jeffrey Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jari Arkko [mailto:jari.arkko@piuha.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:24 PM > To: Brian E Carpenter > Cc: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov; Internet > Architecture Board; 6man mailing list; IESG; RFC Editor > Subject: Re: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to > Proposed Standard > > Brian, Jeffrey, > > The picture and text that you quoted are in this RFC exactly as they > are > in RFC 4291. We did get some feedback on that text during the last > call, > but we decided that it would be confusing for this particular RFC to > say > something else than RFC 4291. RFC 4291 is, after all, the currently > approved addressing architecture document. > > If we ever decide to make a change in the addressing architecture, we > should issue an RFC 4291bis, not change the text in the various other > RFCs that quote 4291 for some reason. > > Jari > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From kanderson1@ama-assn.org Mon Jan 5 10:15:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638D63A688B for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:15:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -26.818 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-26.818 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_PL=1.135, HOST_EQ_PL=1.95, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ybSziT9yuxoH for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from 78-bem-1.acn.waw.pl (78-bem-1.acn.waw.pl [62.121.80.78]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A5EA3A68F9 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:15:43 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Re: Order status 98905 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090105181544.4A5EA3A68F9@core3.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:15:43 -0800 (PST)
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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jan 5 11:49:25 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C84CB3A68E1; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:25 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09033A68E1 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3y8-BSQrQaeq for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40F43A66B4 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n05Jn72v027528; Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:49:08 +0200 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:49:07 +0200 Received: from vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.69]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:49:07 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:46:23 +0200 Message-ID: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8CA@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? thread-index: AclvSp88j/IUV9gOTnOOkihZBI6PZgAI6qBl References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> <49622813.9070301@ericsson.com> From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2009 19:49:07.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB83B130:01C96F6E] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0049319837==" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0049319837== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C96F6E.AB512626" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96F6E.AB512626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Suresh, =20 okay, that's very clear. =20 Thanks, Peter ________________________________ From: ext Suresh Krishnan [mailto:suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com] Sent: Mon 1/5/2009 7:32 AM To: Hunt Peter (Nokia-S/MtView) Cc: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Hi Peter, There are really two questions hidden in your question. Peter.Hunt@nokia.com wrote: > All, >=20 > I have a question about what the correct behaviour should be for a > router if a global address fails DAD. >=20 > Specifically, if an interface has a link-local address which passes = DAD, > but also has a global address configured which is not based on the > hardware address, and which fails DAD, what packets should be allowed > in/out of the interface? If the global address fails DAD, it should not be configured on the interface. i.e. The only IPv6 address configured on the interface will be the link local address. >=20 > Should the system behave exactly as though the global address was > absent? That is, should the router forward packets to or from the = failed > address/network based on whatever routes exist in the forwarding = table? Routing and forwarding decisions are completely independent of what addresses are configured on the interface. Contrary to IPv4 behavior, the configuration of an address using P::/64 prefix does not automatically add a route to the P::/64 prefix. What prefixes are on-link is determined by a) on a router - by configuration b) on a host - by information contained in the RAs This means that you can add a route pointing to the right interface for the P::/64 prefix even if DAD failed for an address configured using this prefix on the same interface. Cheers Suresh ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96F6E.AB512626 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: DAD failure for global IPv6 = addresses?=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
=0A=
Suresh,
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=0A=
okay, that's very = clear.
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=0A=
Thanks,
=0A=
Peter
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=0A=
=0A= From: ext Suresh Krishnan = [mailto:suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com]
Sent: Mon 1/5/2009 7:32 = AM
To: Hunt Peter (Nokia-S/MtView)
Cc: = ipv6@ietf.org
Subject: Re: DAD failure for global IPv6 = addresses?

=0A=
=0A=

Hi Peter,
   There are really two = questions hidden in your question.

Peter.Hunt@nokia.com = wrote:
> All,
> 
> I have a question about what = the correct behaviour should be for a
> router if a global address = fails DAD.
> 
> Specifically, if an interface has a = link-local address which passes DAD,
> but also has a global = address configured which is not based on the
> hardware address, = and which fails DAD, what packets should be allowed
> in/out of = the interface?

If the global address fails DAD, it should not be = configured on the
interface. i.e. The only IPv6 address configured on = the interface will
be the link local = address.

> 
> Should the system behave exactly as = though the global address was
> absent? That is, should the router = forward packets to or from the failed
> address/network based on = whatever routes exist in the forwarding table?

Routing and = forwarding decisions are completely independent of what
addresses are = configured on the interface. Contrary to IPv4 behavior,
the = configuration of an address using P::/64 prefix does = not
automatically add a route to the P::/64 prefix. What prefixes = are
on-link is determined by

a) on a router - by = configuration
b) on a host - by information contained in the = RAs

This means that you can add a route pointing to the right = interface for
the P::/64 prefix even if DAD failed for an address = configured using
this prefix on the same = interface.

Cheers
Suresh

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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 7 01:24:08 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC803A6A37; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:24:08 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2901F3A6A32 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:24:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OF8AmzPYaPr2 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (bizet.nethelp.no [195.1.209.33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D814C3A6A37 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 51442 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2009 08:23:47 -0000 Received: from bizet.nethelp.no (HELO localhost) (195.1.209.33) by bizet.nethelp.no with SMTP; 7 Jan 2009 08:23:47 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:23:47 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20090107.092347.74702282.sthaug@nethelp.no> To: suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com Subject: Re: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8CA@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> <49622813.9070301@ericsson.com> <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8CA@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > Routing and forwarding decisions are completely independent of what > addresses are configured on the interface. Contrary to IPv4 behavior, > the configuration of an address using P::/64 prefix does not > automatically add a route to the P::/64 prefix. What prefixes are > on-link is determined by > > a) on a router - by configuration > b) on a host - by information contained in the RAs It may be sacrilege to mention it in this group - but b) here is certainly not the only view of how things work (or for that matter how they *should* work). For instance - FreeBSD 7.x needs explicit configuration to turn on IPv6. If IPv6 is turned on, you can configure a static IPv6 address (for instance a /64 prefix) for an interface - and this will indeed add a route to this /64 network. Or you can use various types of autoconfiguration. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From lmslevr@admtl.com Wed Jan 7 04:03:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD67828C13F for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:03:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.535 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.535 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_DYNAMIC_HCC=4.295, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.526, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_2=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_UNI=0.591, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vFys2r57bCm6 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from cpc3-shep9-0-0-cust111.leic.cable.ntl.com (cpc3-shep9-0-0-cust111.leic.cable.ntl.com [86.6.68.112]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B54D23A687E for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:03:03 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Your order 79771 From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090107120303.B54D23A687E@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 04:03:03 -0800 (PST)
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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 7 17:07:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF533A6A96; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:07:31 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591153A68A6 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:07:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5+X6I2HN99Ar for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mon.jinmei.org (mon.jinmei.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:36::162]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D393A6A9B for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from jmb.jinmei.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb:217:f2ff:fee0:a91f]) by mon.jinmei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB46D33C2E; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:07:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:07:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: JINMEI Tatuya / =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP0BMQEMjOkgbKEI=?= To: sthaug@nethelp.no Subject: Re: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? In-Reply-To: <20090107.092347.74702282.sthaug@nethelp.no> References: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> <49622813.9070301@ericsson.com> <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8CA@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> <20090107.092347.74702282.sthaug@nethelp.no> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) Emacs/22.1 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Cc: ipv6@ietf.org, suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org At Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:23:47 +0100 (CET), sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > Routing and forwarding decisions are completely independent of what > > addresses are configured on the interface. Contrary to IPv4 behavior, > > the configuration of an address using P::/64 prefix does not > > automatically add a route to the P::/64 prefix. What prefixes are > > on-link is determined by > > > > a) on a router - by configuration > > b) on a host - by information contained in the RAs > > It may be sacrilege to mention it in this group - but b) here is > certainly not the only view of how things work (or for that matter > how they *should* work). For instance - FreeBSD 7.x needs explicit > configuration to turn on IPv6. If IPv6 is turned on, you can configure > a static IPv6 address (for instance a /64 prefix) for an interface - > and this will indeed add a route to this /64 network. Or you can use > various types of autoconfiguration. As you seem to indicate, this should rather be considered an implementation details, but this FreeBSD's behavior should be viewed as a shortcut of configuring both an address and an on-link prefix by a single operation, rather than an instance that "configuring an address automatically adds a route to the /64 prefix" (I know that, because I designed and implemented it:-). In fact, the FreeBSD kernel internally maintains addresses and prefixes separately, and in that sense it rather diligently follows the model that Suresh explained. It adopts the "shortcut" behavior as a compromise for existing operators who are very familiar with IPv4 operations and would expect the same side effect. --- JINMEI, Tatuya Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipnguyen76@yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 13:39:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD563A6990 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:39:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -65.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-65.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, GB_H_CANADIAN=0.5, GB_H_PHARMACY=1, GB_I_LETTER=-2, GB_PHARMACY=1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=1.778, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_102=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_25=0.6, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, URIBL_SBL=20, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sU-phVT9JhJx for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta.email.webmd.com (46.90.221.62.dyn.idknet.com [62.221.90.46]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CC8A3A67A3 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) Content-Return: allowed X-Mailer: CME-V6.5.4.3; MSN Message-Id: <20090108163833.9191.qmail@mta.email.webmd.com> From: "Doctor Dominique" To: ipngwg-archive@ietf.org Subject: RE: (Canadian Pharmacy Message) I\'ve got problems, can\'t find u MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:39:23 -0800 (PST) es.WebMD - Living Better Newsletter.dh
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X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org The videos from HITBSecConf2008 - Malaysia are now available for download! 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RFC 3879 was published as proposed standard about 5 years ago. Do we intend to leave it at that stage, or to update its status along the standard track?

 

-- Christian Huitema

 

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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 10:06:06 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131BC3A6916; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:06:06 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D453A6916 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.706 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.706 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id io6j3Rk71ADk for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0123A67FA for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:06:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n0LI5P5D001341; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:05:43 +0200 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:05:40 +0200 Received: from mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.96]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:05:39 +0200 Received: from dadhcp-172019074205.americas.nokia.com (dadhcp-172019074205.americas.nokia.com [172.19.74.205]) by mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id n0LI5Zu4009918; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:05:37 +0200 From: Bob Hinden To: Christian Huitema In-Reply-To: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6593@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Subject: Re: Standard status of RFC 3879 References: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6593@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:05:36 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2009 18:05:39.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE5D0530:01C97BF2] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: 6man , Brian E Carpenter X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.hinden@nokia.com List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Christian, > RFC 3879 was published as proposed standard about 5 years ago. Do we > intend to leave it at that stage, or to update its status along the > standard track? > What did you have in mind? Is there a reason to advance it? Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From joerg.cirulies@abfev.de Wed Jan 21 10:38:28 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557BE3A67F8 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:38:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=1.778, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E4_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, TVD_PH_SUBJ_META=0, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOrZUQEyq6ae for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from trkideal.com (trkideal.com [82.207.70.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BCD23A685C for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:38:24 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Your payment has been sent From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20090121183825.4BCD23A685C@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:38:24 -0800 (PST)
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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 10:56:46 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2B828C102; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:56:46 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A948128C102; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:56:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.669 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.669 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.930, BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LWRYsIluPsj; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:56:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C3F3A685D; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LIuOxO005054; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:24 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LIuOgx005015; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:24 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:24 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , 6man mailing list Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:56:23 -0500 Subject: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QA== Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1783022297==" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --===============1783022297== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_" --_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Colleagues, We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that different oper= ating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found that the "pi= ng" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is set to 1280 a= nd a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed path. The hosts = we tested: 1. Send one or two un-fragmented echo requests 2. Receive the "Packet Too Big" ICMPv6 message from the first interfac= e with the 1280 octet MTU 3. Begin to send echo requests in two fragments The following questions occurred to us: 1. Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragment= s? 2. If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waited for= a response in support of PMTUD? Any assistance you can provide, especially commercial specification for shi= pping product or other applications, would be most helpful. Many thanks in = advance. Best Regards, Jeffrey Dunn Info Systems Eng., Lead Center for Enterprise Modernization MITRE Corp. 301-429-5377 (Office) 301-731-8862 (FAX) --_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 1.      Send one or two un-fragmented echo requests<= /font>

2.      Receive the “Packet Too Big” ICMPv6 message from t= he first interface with the 1280 octet MTU

3.      Begin to send echo requests in two fragments=

= 1.      Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragments?

2.      If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waite= d for a response in support of PMTUD?

=  

--_000_3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DAIMCMBX1MITREO_-- --===============1783022297== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============1783022297==-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 11:30:07 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB743A6A47; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:30:07 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC133A6A47 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:30:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ChBltQ1tdMnA for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.microsoft.com (mail3.microsoft.com [131.107.115.214]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4406F3A6A1F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tk5-exhub-c103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.88.96) by TK5-EXGWY-E803.partners.extranet.microsoft.com (10.251.56.169) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.1.291.1; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:31:21 -0800 Received: from TK5-EXMLT-W605V.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com (157.54.18.79) by tk5-exhub-c103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (157.54.88.96) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.291.1; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:29:45 -0800 Received: from NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([fe80::8de9:51a2:cd62:f122]) by TK5-EXMLT-W605V.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([157.54.18.79]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:29:42 -0800 From: Christian Huitema To: "bob.hinden@nokia.com" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:29:40 -0800 Subject: RE: Standard status of RFC 3879 Thread-Topic: Standard status of RFC 3879 Thread-Index: Acl78wTAa92C6IOEQ26SuiIcJnJyFgACynlA Message-ID: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6792@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> References: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6593@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: 6man , Brian E Carpenter X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hinden@nokia.com] > > > RFC 3879 was published as proposed standard about 5 years ago. Do we > > intend to leave it at that stage, or to update its status along the > > standard track? > > > > What did you have in mind? Is there a reason to advance it? I am getting enquiries along the lines of "OK, this was a proposed standard 5 years ago, it has not progressed, does it mean it is now obsolete?" Of course, I can reply that status doesn't matter, that for all practical purposes Proposed Standards are just as standards as Draft Standards or Internet Standards. -- Christian Huitema -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 11:33:57 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5022D3A6A4A; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:33:57 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF9B3A6A47; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:33:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I-JuVFwNkkEM; 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Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:35:36 +0200 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:35:36 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Christian Huitema Subject: RE: Standard status of RFC 3879 In-Reply-To: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6792@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Message-ID: References: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6593@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6792@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8881/Tue Jan 20 16:48:51 2009 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: 6man , "bob.hinden@nokia.com" , Brian E Carpenter X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Christian Huitema wrote: >> What did you have in mind? Is there a reason to advance it? > > I am getting enquiries along the lines of "OK, this was a proposed > standard 5 years ago, it has not progressed, does it mean it is now > obsolete?" FWIW, I wouldn't mind advancing it if there is significant new evidence or experience to document at the same time. If not (perhaps you were referring to this), just updating on the standards track and keeping the document unchanged, doesn't seem to have that much point given we need to put energy to other work as well. Site-locals and ULAs is one area where I suspect our understanding of the situation has improved, and will continue to improve. Timing the update properly to gather that understanding is probably a good idea. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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To: =?utf-8?B?UsOpbWkgRGVuaXMtQ291cm1vbnQ=?= , "ipv6@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:44:18 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7/ydWCvtgY5A/T6q3ntngvMF7EQAATi2w Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> In-Reply-To: <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Huang, Frank" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org UsOpbWksDQoNCkkgYWdyZWUgd2l0aCB5b3UgYXNzZXJ0aW9ucyBjb25jZXJuaW5nICJwaW5nIiB2 ZXJzdXMgVENQOyBob3dldmVyLCBJIGFtIGxvb2tpbmcgZm9yIHNvbWUgY29uY3JldGUgZG9jdW1l bnRhdGlvbiBvciBleHBlcmllbmNlcy4NCg0KQmVzdCBSZWdhcmRzLCANCsKgIA0KSmVmZnJleSBE dW5uIA0KSW5mbyBTeXN0ZW1zIEVuZy4sIExlYWQgDQpNSVRSRSBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbi4NCigzMDEp IDQ0OC02OTY1IChtb2JpbGUpDQoNCg0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206 IFLDqW1pIERlbmlzLUNvdXJtb250IFttYWlsdG86cmRlbmlzQHNpbXBoYWxlbXBpbi5jb21dIA0K U2VudDogV2VkbmVzZGF5LCBKYW51YXJ5IDIxLCAyMDA5IDI6MzMgUE0NClRvOiBpcHY2QGlldGYu b3JnDQpDYzogRHVubiwgSmVmZnJleSBILjsgaXB2Ni1ib3VuY2VzQGlldGYub3JnOyB2Nm9wc0Bv cHMuaWV0Zi5vcmc7IFNoZXJtYW4sIEt1cnQgVC47IExpb3UsIENoZXJuOyBzdGV2ZV9laXNlcm1h bkB1c2NvdXJ0cy5nb3Y7IEh1YW5nLCBGcmFuazsgR3JheWVsaSwgUGFyaXNhDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBS ZTogRW5kIFN5c3RlbSBQTVRVRCBiZWhhdmlvciBxdWVzdGlvbg0KDQpMZSBtZXJjcmVkaSAyMSBq YW52aWVyIDIwMDkgMjA6NTY6MjMgRHVubiwgSmVmZnJleSBILiwgdm91cyBhdmV6IMOpY3JpdMKg Og0KPiBDb2xsZWFndWVzLA0KPg0KPiBXZSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gcGVyZm9ybWluZyBzb21lIFBNVFVE IHRlc3RzIGFuZCBoYXZlIGZvdW5kIHRoYXQgZGlmZmVyZW50DQo+IG9wZXJhdGluZyBzeXN0ZW1z IGhhbmRsZSBQTVRVRCBkaWZmZXJlbnRseS4gU3BlY2lmaWNhbGx5LCB3ZSBmb3VuZCB0aGF0IHRo ZQ0KPiAicGluZyIgYXBwbGljYXRpb24gYmVoYXZlcyBpbiB0aGUgZm9sbG93aW5nIHdheSB3aGVu IHRoZSBQTVRVIGlzIHNldCB0bw0KPiAxMjgwIGFuZCBhIDE1MDAgb2N0ZXQgSUNNUHY2IGVjaG8g cmVxdWVzdCBpcyBzZW50IHRvIHRoYXQgcm91dGVkIHBhdGguIFRoZQ0KPiBob3N0cyB3ZSB0ZXN0 ZWQ6DQoNCkknbSBhZnJhaWQgcGluZyBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbnMgYXJlIG5vdCByZXByZXNlbnRhdGl2 ZSBvZiB3aGF0IHRoZSBvcGVyYXRpbmcgDQpzeXN0ZW0gSVAgc3RhY2tzIGRvLiBCZXNpZGVzLCB0 aGVyZSBhcmUgbm8gc3RhbmRhcmRzIHJlZ2FyZGluZyB0aGUgYmVoYXZpb3IgDQpvZiAicGluZyIg aW4gY2FzZSBvZiBQYXRoIE1UVSBwcm9ibGVtczsgaXQncyByZWFsbHkgdXAgdG8gdGhlIGltcGxl bWVudG9yIG9mIA0KZWFjaCAicGluZyIgd2hldGhlciB0byByZXBvcnQgYW4gZXJyb3Igb3IgdG8g dHJhbnNwYXJlbnRseSBmcmFnbWVudC4NCg0KDQpUaGUgYmVoYXZpb3Igb2YgcmVhbCB0cmFuc3Bv cnQgcHJvdG9jb2xzLCBzdWNoIGFzIFRDUCwgRENDUCBhbmQgU0NUUCBpcyBtb3JlIA0KaW50ZXJl c3Rpbmcgd2hlbiBpdCBjb21lcyB0byBldmFsdWF0aW5nIG9wZXJhdGluZyBzeXN0ZW1zIGFuZCB0 aGVpciBJUCANCnN0YWNrcy4NCg0KLS0gDQpSw6ltaSBEZW5pcy1Db3VybW9udA0KaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5yZW1sYWIubmV0Lw0KLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0KSUVURiBJUHY2IHdvcmtpbmcgZ3JvdXAgbWFpbGlu ZyBsaXN0CmlwdjZAaWV0Zi5vcmcKQWRtaW5pc3RyYXRpdmUgUmVxdWVzdHM6IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3 LmlldGYub3JnL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vaXB2NgotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQo= From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 12:00:53 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD6928C221; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:00:53 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2191C28C226; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:00:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jBmVE4JvWZiI; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:00:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.iol.unh.edu (postal.iol.unh.edu [132.177.123.84]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72C128C216; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from chinacat.iol.unh.edu (chinacat.iol.unh.edu [132.177.125.46]) by postal.iol.unh.edu (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n0LK0J7k019245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:00:19 -0500 Message-Id: <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> From: Thomas Peterson To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:00:20 -0500 References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8885/Wed Jan 21 12:48:08 2009 on postal.iol.unh.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jeffrey, This is Thomas Peterson from the InterOperability Laboratory at UNH. We have done extensive testing in this area and would be happy to work = with you off line to examine this scenario. If you would like we can even set up your test topology in our lab. Thanks, Tom On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > R=E9mi, > > I agree with you assertions concerning "ping" versus TCP; however, I = > am looking for some concrete documentation or experiences. > > Best Regards, > > Jeffrey Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont [mailto:rdenis@simphalempin.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:33 PM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Cc: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; = > Sherman, Kurt T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; Huang, = > Frank; Grayeli, Parisa > Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question > > Le mercredi 21 janvier 2009 20:56:23 Dunn, Jeffrey H., vous avez = > =E9crit : >> Colleagues, >> >> We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that = >> different >> operating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found = >> that the >> "ping" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is = >> set to >> 1280 and a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed = >> path. The >> hosts we tested: > > I'm afraid ping applications are not representative of what the = > operating > system IP stacks do. Besides, there are no standards regarding the = > behavior > of "ping" in case of Path MTU problems; it's really up to the = > implementor of > each "ping" whether to report an error or to transparently fragment. > > > The behavior of real transport protocols, such as TCP, DCCP and SCTP = > is more > interesting when it comes to evaluating operating systems and their IP > stacks. > > -- = > R=E9mi Denis-Courmont > http://www.remlab.net/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 12:27:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48EA28C105; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:27:11 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB4B3A6A7C for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:27:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iU0TVwNxZGfI for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate-internal3.sri.com (mailgate-internal3.SRI.COM [128.18.84.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E63783A6937 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (128.18.84.115) by mailgate-internal3.sri.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2009 20:26:52 -0000 X-AuditID: 80125473-a7b88bb000000aa9-c7-4977850c686b Received: from srimail1.sri.com (srimail1.SRI.COM [128.18.30.11]) by smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 6C66C21AF2D for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (nj-76-1-246-80.dhcp.embarqhsd.net [76.1.246.80]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDU00MQC8SR4X00@mail.sri.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:26:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:26:50 -0500 From: Ed Jankiewicz Subject: Re: Standard status of RFC 3879 In-reply-to: To: bob.hinden@nokia.com Message-id: <4977850A.80207@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6593@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: Christian Huitema , 6man , Brian E Carpenter X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org RFC 4291 cites it (includes it by reference) but not as a normative reference, but also restates the action taken by RFC 3879. Assuming RFC 4291 progresses along the standards track making the deprecation of Site-local a "standard" is there any need to also promote 3879? Also, since 4291 obsoletes 3351, the definition of site-local address is effectively erased, as if it never existed, although the text does not say MUST NOT, and allows for the use of site-local by preexisting implementations. In the latest version of the US DoD IPv6 profiles, RFC 3879 is mentioned only as a footnote because RFC 4291 appears to be definitive enough. Bob Hinden wrote: > Christian, > >> RFC 3879 was published as proposed standard about 5 years ago. Do we >> intend to leave it at that stage, or to update its status along the >> standard track? >> > > What did you have in mind? Is there a reason to advance it? > > Bob > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- Ed Jankiewicz - SRI International Fort Monmouth Branch Office - IPv6 Research Supporting DISA Standards Engineering Branch 732-389-1003 or ed.jankiewicz@sri.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 12:31:22 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B3D03A69E9; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:31:22 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C333A69E9 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:31:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yQGHWVA5dzy9 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.232]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663B93A6937 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so3895306rvf.49 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:31:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lC3yN0QHMl8fYJpC3VDm+9sfz9doq8HN/fb0jEtGBzQ=; b=JcH4r9GgQyhGk7LJ2Qb7SpSN3LlHj1l00v7yBHE+1fSU85ueljNcdpMPAmxsMXVOw+ 6FSNXfXbqkdo4q6q4nc1zoK/jBNfib1CmB7OZHLMwQHji8e4lMVV7RjL1hT4IdO1ZufM gwV21jQjZpbybPh3I2xXuXxxh9FHGLo3gt+oE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=FrWnPxmlwCFuoWNIzSaEStd7uqu4FfMM8Bo4P2a3qlXpfGm5/258QPz5CwQ1ivB+Jz 2PMKWQMHU0UQOwELWqw4VEOdiR/lJTOGhbJ3mIT0kY6OQTX9h6pU2Aasyr4316GdYu0D NhEhlqhb8mfzGj4DOukyiC04HVWwDmiO+TtaI= Received: by 10.141.45.16 with SMTP id x16mr2735245rvj.7.1232569863953; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f21sm16327032rvb.7.2009.01.21.12.31.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:31:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49778604.4010703@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:31:00 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pekka Savola Subject: Re: Standard status of RFC 3879 References: <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6593@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> <8EFB68EAE061884A8517F2A755E8B60A19D3AB6792@NA-EXMSG-W601.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> In-Reply-To: Cc: Christian Huitema , 6man , "bob.hinden@nokia.com" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Pekka, On 2009-01-22 08:35, Pekka Savola wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2009, Christian Huitema wrote: >>> What did you have in mind? Is there a reason to advance it? >> >> I am getting enquiries along the lines of "OK, this was a proposed >> standard 5 years ago, it has not progressed, does it mean it is now >> obsolete?" > > FWIW, I wouldn't mind advancing it if there is significant new evidence > or experience to document at the same time. If not (perhaps you were > referring to this), just updating on the standards track and keeping the > document unchanged, doesn't seem to have that much point given we need > to put energy to other work as well. Well, I think Christian's point is valid. There are still text books that list site-local as valid, and in my XP box I find: DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 130.216.xx.xxx 130.216.xx.xxx fec0:0:0:ffff::1%2 fec0:0:0:ffff::2%2 fec0:0:0:ffff::3%2 I think that simply reclassifying 3879 as DS would be a Good Thing and requires minimal effort. > > Site-locals and ULAs is one area where I suspect our understanding of > the situation has improved, and will continue to improve. Timing the > update properly to gather that understanding is probably a good idea. I don't believe there is enough deployment experience with ULAs yet. I wouldn't personally want to couple the 3879 issue with re-opening the ULA discussion. 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Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragments? If the ICMPv6 echo reqs were being used for PMTUD, the answer should be a No. The host just received an Indication of Too Big that also said the PMTU is 1280, so the host should be sending any subsequent packets keeping PMTU of 1280 in mind without have to fragment. Then my question is, if ICMPv6 is not being used for PMTUD, then for what purpose is ICMPv6 being used such that an ICMPv6 req of 1500 is needed when a req of size 1280 can be sent? > 2. If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waited for a response in support of PMTUD? PMTUD does recommend a host send a probe and wait for a timeout interval before sending another probe. The RFCs recommend five times larger timeout value that the normal timeout of the protocol/app being used to probe. So, say, the ICMPv6 timeout being used in your test is 2 secs, then the host should wait for 10 secs for a reply. See RFC 4821 for timeout recommendations for how long to wait for a probe reply. In your test case, I have got to believe, the Too Big error reached the host in 10 secs of sending the ICMPv6 req - the first hop router is most likely to catch the Too Big condition and respond to the probe. 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jan 21 14:24:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E18D28C13A; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:24:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D27728C10A; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:24:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.114 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.114 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.485, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wOrjcGWaQTZ9; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D8D28C13A; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LMOMuG001087; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:24:22 -0500 Received: from imchub2.MITRE.ORG (imchub2.mitre.org [129.83.29.74]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0LMOK0W000934; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:24:20 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub2.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.74]) with mapi; Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:24:20 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: Thomas Peterson Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:24:18 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl8AumHvABBPVEsRNuqz40l5WxhqwAE/RWA Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thomas, We would be happy to see any results you may have concerning application be= havior during PMTUD. = Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu] = Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:00 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; L= iou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.i= etf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Hi Jeffrey, This is Thomas Peterson from the InterOperability Laboratory at UNH. We have done extensive testing in this area and would be happy to work = with you off line to examine this scenario. If you would like we can even set up your test topology in our lab. Thanks, Tom On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > R=E9mi, > > I agree with you assertions concerning "ping" versus TCP; however, I = > am looking for some concrete documentation or experiences. > > Best Regards, > > Jeffrey Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont [mailto:rdenis@simphalempin.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:33 PM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Cc: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; = > Sherman, Kurt T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; Huang, = > Frank; Grayeli, Parisa > Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question > > Le mercredi 21 janvier 2009 20:56:23 Dunn, Jeffrey H., vous avez = > =E9crit : >> Colleagues, >> >> We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that = >> different >> operating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found = >> that the >> "ping" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is = >> set to >> 1280 and a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed = >> path. The >> hosts we tested: > > I'm afraid ping applications are not representative of what the = > operating > system IP stacks do. 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To: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:35:46 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QAACmYbgAASrC5A= Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , 6man mailing list , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hemant, I do not understand your answer to question 1. How would the purpose of a = user sending ICMPv6 echo requests bear on system behavior? Also, unless the= operating system has a facility to pass the PMTU size to the application, = e.g., the MMS_S value mentioned in RFC 1981, AND the application can make u= se of the information. There is no expectation that the application, e.g., = DNS, or the layer above IPv6, e.g., UDP, can make use of the information in= RFC 1981; therefore your assertion that the host should be sending packets= within the PMTU is unreasonable. Many thanks for pointing out RFC 4821 in answer to question 2. I had forgot= ten about that and, interestingly, it does not appear in the NIST IPv6 prof= ile, which we are using to guide our testing. = Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Hemant Singh (shemant) [mailto:shemant@cisco.com] = Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:35 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; 6man maili= ng list Cc: Sherman, Kurt T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; Huang, Fran= k; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question > The following questions occurred to us: > 1. Should the hosts re-transmit the ICMPv6 echo request(s) in fragments? = If the ICMPv6 echo reqs were being used for PMTUD, the answer should be a No. The host just received an Indication of Too Big that also said the PMTU is 1280, so the host should be sending any subsequent packets keeping PMTU of 1280 in mind without have to fragment. Then my question is, if ICMPv6 is not being used for PMTUD, then for what purpose is ICMPv6 being used such that an ICMPv6 req of 1500 is needed when a req of size 1280 can be sent? > 2. If not, should the host that sent two echo requests have waited for a response in support of PMTUD? = PMTUD does recommend a host send a probe and wait for a timeout interval before sending another probe. The RFCs recommend five times larger timeout value that the normal timeout of the protocol/app being used to probe. So, say, the ICMPv6 timeout being used in your test is 2 secs, then the host should wait for 10 secs for a reply. See RFC 4821 for timeout recommendations for how long to wait for a probe reply. In your test case, I have got to believe, the Too Big error reached the host in 10 secs of sending the ICMPv6 req - the first hop router is most likely to catch the Too Big condition and respond to the probe. 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In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-946412721 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:38:03 -0500 References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8892/Thu Jan 22 09:34:53 2009 on postal.iol.unh.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --Apple-Mail-27-946412721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jeffrey, I have attached a picture which shows one of the topologies we use for our PMTUD tests. In this test case we transmit an Echo Request from REF-Host2 to TAR- Host1 with a packet size of 1500 bytes. REF-Host2 fragments the Echo Request it transmits. TAR-Host1 replies to this Echo Request with an Echo Reply to REF-Host2 with a size of 1500 bytes that is not fragmented. TAR-Router1 sends a Packet Too Big message in response as this Echo Reply is too large to forward onto Network 2. In all of the cases we have seen TAR-Host1 does fragment future Echo Replies to REF-Host2, however, it does not retransmit any Echo Replies for Echo Requests received prior to receiving the Packet Too Big message from TAR-Router1. Additionally from the tests we have performed in our lab if TAR-Host1 were to send an Echo Request with a packet size of 1500 bytes TAR- Router1 would send a Packet Too Big message in response. In all cases we have seen TAR-Host1 would not re-transmit this Echo Request and this would be counted as packet loss in the ping command results. If this does not ideally match your test scenario we'd be happy to work together off-line to replicate your scenario. 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Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:00 PM > To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. > Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt =20= > T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; = v6ops@ops.ietf.org=20 > ; Grayeli, Parisa > Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question > > Hi Jeffrey, > > This is Thomas Peterson from the InterOperability Laboratory at UNH. > > We have done extensive testing in this area and would be happy to work > with you off line to examine this scenario. > > If you would like we can even set up your test topology in our lab. > > Thanks, > Tom > > On Jan 21, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > >> R=E9mi, >> >> I agree with you assertions concerning "ping" versus TCP; however, I >> am looking for some concrete documentation or experiences. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Jeffrey Dunn >> Info Systems Eng., Lead >> MITRE Corporation. >> (301) 448-6965 (mobile) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont [mailto:rdenis@simphalempin.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:33 PM >> To: ipv6@ietf.org >> Cc: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; >> Sherman, Kurt T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; Huang, >> Frank; Grayeli, Parisa >> Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question >> >> Le mercredi 21 janvier 2009 20:56:23 Dunn, Jeffrey H., vous avez >> =E9crit : >>> Colleagues, >>> >>> We have been performing some PMTUD tests and have found that >>> different >>> operating systems handle PMTUD differently. Specifically, we found >>> that the >>> "ping" application behaves in the following way when the PMTU is >>> set to >>> 1280 and a 1500 octet ICMPv6 echo request is sent to that routed >>> path. The >>> hosts we tested: >> >> I'm afraid ping applications are not representative of what the >> operating >> system IP stacks do. Besides, there are no standards regarding the >> behavior >> of "ping" in case of Path MTU problems; it's really up to the >> implementor of >> each "ping" whether to report an error or to transparently fragment. >> >> >> The behavior of real transport protocols, such as TCP, DCCP and SCTP >> is more >> interesting when it comes to evaluating operating systems and their =20= >> IP >> stacks. >> >> --=20 >> R=E9mi Denis-Courmont >> http://www.remlab.net/ >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > --Apple-Mail-27-946412721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --Apple-Mail-27-946412721-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 14:36:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5A628C17F; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:36:15 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE15828C17F; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:36:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.941 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.941 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.658, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mlkWVckr+6CS; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975BC3A68F4; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.37,308,1231113600"; d="scan'208";a="34631134" Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jan 2009 22:35:49 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n0MMZnhn016391; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:35:49 -0500 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0MMZnb7019953; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:35:49 GMT Received: from xmb-rtp-20e.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.40]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:35:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:35:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QAACmYbgAASrC5AAK66ZwA== References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> From: "Hemant Singh (shemant)" To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2009 22:35:48.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[C60964C0:01C97CE1] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1327; t=1232663749; x=1233527749; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim2001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=shemant@cisco.com; z=From:=20=22Hemant=20Singh=20(shemant)=22=20 |Subject:=20RE=3A=20End=20System=20PMTUD=20behavior=20quest ion |Sender:=20 |To:=20=22Dunn,=20Jeffrey=20H.=22=20; bh=Qzoi189D6imjvqRk++mdfuCQgwFrFC9omNmNjcd5JOY=; b=Z4DK5i5XNny7d/ptLA/pVPKBOdliEtHb5zAgQfM7e3AFjU1P+ciPDMFTIh 3IddZdg0Uf7qXzM2qfo7rLW4sXv5sQM94t6xc7cuetcn0I8jCMbNN1MykC/T NQL1IRto1c; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=shemant@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim2001 verified; ); Cc: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org, "Sherman, Kurt T." , 6man mailing list , "Liou, Chern" , steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov, "Huang, Frank" , v6ops@ops.ietf.org, "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Jeffrey, Both IPv4 and IPv6 standards recommend not to fragment. So the first impact on the system behavior for host receiving an PTB message is to try and not fragment. I have not paid attention to older RFC's. I am working off of RFC 4821 that recommends a host keep "conceptual" variables in cache at the IP layer and all other layers of code on the host may access this cache to get the current value of the MTU to be used by host. See following text from RFC 4821. [Furthermore, the natural mechanism to share Path MTU information between concurrent or subsequent connections is a path information cache in the IP layer. The various Packetization Protocols need to have the means to access and update the shared cache in the IP layer. This memo describes PLPMTUD in terms of its primary subsystems without fully describing how they are assembled into a complete implementation.] Also see section 5 of RFC 4821. What UNH has tested for current host behavior and so have you is because host are following older PMTU RFCs like 1981. Also, I agree with you on RFC 1981 that host may fragment if there is no easy means for the host's layers to pass MTU information back and forth. My 2 cents is for new hosts to follow RFC 4821 and not fragment packets. Thanks Hemant -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 15:55:35 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0070D3A6806; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:55:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D633D3A6806; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6JGxB-8QThAZ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857E73A677C; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh105.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.31]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n0MNsgw2022833; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:54:44 +0200 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by vaebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:54:44 +0200 Received: from vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.69]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:54:40 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:54:39 +0200 Message-ID: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: thread-topic: End System PMTUD behavior question thread-index: Acl7+fSDtCRQmHdATNy7UebOW+92QAACmYbgAASrC5AAK66ZwAAI127Y References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG><3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2009 23:54:40.0026 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA0597A0:01C97CEC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: fhuang@mitre.org, ksherman@mitre.org, ipv6@ietf.org, csliou@mitre.org, steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov, ipv6-bounces@ietf.org, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, pgrayeli@mitre.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0174434914==" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0174434914== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hemant, =20 Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying that = we should require protocols or applications above IP to always send data = in messages small enough to avoid IP fragemntation. =20 I agree it makes sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in = IP's cache when it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly = reasonable, as it's already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For = protocols which are already packetized, though, I think it's less = advantageous to burden them (or the application using them) with the = problem of fragmentation and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation. =20 For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU = is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping = application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to = do so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them as = "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require changes = to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really = doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respectively. =20 In the case of an application which sends records in single UDP frames, = to avoid fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized = chuncks, and come up with a way at the destination to identify and = reassemble the chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given = that IPv6 has a perfectly good mechanism to do this already. =20 So I think the behaviour observed by Thomas during his testing is = correct. I don't think ping or ICMPv6 should reduce the ICMP message = size to avoid IP fragmentation. =20 Peter Hunt Software Engineer Nokia S&S. =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: End System PMTUD behavior = question=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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I agree it makes = sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in IP's cache when = it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly reasonable, as it's = already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For protocols which are = already packetized, though, I think it's less advantageous to burden = them (or the application using them) with the problem of fragmentation = and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation.
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For example, if a = user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU is 1280, the only = way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping application to split the = data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to do so. Either way, you = have to introduce some way to identify them as "ping fragments" and = reassemble them in order. That will require changes to the ICMPv6 = protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really doing = a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, = respectively.
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In the case of an = application which sends records in single UDP frames, to avoid = fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized chuncks, and = come up with a way at the destination to identify and reassemble the = chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given that IPv6 has a = perfectly good mechanism to do this already.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD-- --===============0174434914== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============0174434914==-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 17:02:03 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3E83A6981; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:02:03 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ADD3A696D; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:02:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I8mTD7OUalO0; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.isc.org (mx.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:2::1c]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D853A6981; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from farside.isc.org (farside.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:bb::5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "farside.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3174114050; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:01:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark_Andrews@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (drugs.dv.isc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:214:22ff:fed9:fbdc]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "drugs.dv.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (not verified)) by farside.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F22E6072; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:01:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0N119J0038463; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:01:10 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from marka@drugs.dv.isc.org) Message-Id: <200901230101.n0N119J0038463@drugs.dv.isc.org> To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:54:39 +0200." <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:01:09 +1100 Cc: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org, csliou@mitre.org, ipv6@ietf.org, ksherman@mitre.org, steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov, fhuang@mitre.org, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, pgrayeli@mitre.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org In message <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com>, Pet er.Hunt@nokia.com writes: > Hemant, > =20 > Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying that = > we should require protocols or applications above IP to always send data = > in messages small enough to avoid IP fragemntation. > =20 > I agree it makes sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in = > IP's cache when it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly = > reasonable, as it's already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For = > protocols which are already packetized, though, I think it's less = > advantageous to burden them (or the application using them) with the = > problem of fragmentation and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation. > =20 > For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU = > is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping = > application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to = > do so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them as = > "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require changes = > to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really = > doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respectively. > =20 > In the case of an application which sends records in single UDP frames, = > to avoid fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized = > chuncks, and come up with a way at the destination to identify and = > reassemble the chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given = > that IPv6 has a perfectly good mechanism to do this already. > =20 For the record. DNS servers just tell the kernel to fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/IPv4. DNS clients don't usually generate packets big enough to be a issue. If they do need to send a big (> 512) message they usually just switch straight to TCP to avoid having to probe the server to see how big a UDP message it will handle. > So I think the behaviour observed by Thomas during his testing is = > correct. I don't think ping or ICMPv6 should reduce the ICMP message = > size to avoid IP fragmentation. > =20 > Peter Hunt > Software Engineer > Nokia S&S. > =20 > > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > RE: End System PMTUD behavior = > question=0A= > =0A= > =0A= > =0A= >
=0A= >
size=3D2>Hemant,
=0A= >
 
=0A= >
Forgive me if I've = > misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying that we should require = > protocols or applications above IP to always send data in messages small = > enough to avoid IP fragemntation.
=0A= >
 
=0A= >
I agree it makes = > sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in IP's cache when = > it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly reasonable, as it's = > already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For protocols which are = > already packetized, though, I think it's less advantageous to burden = > them (or the application using them) with the problem of fragmentation = > and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation.
=0A= >
 
=0A= >
For example, if a = > user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU is 1280, the only = > way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping application to split the = > data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to do so. Either way, you = > have to introduce some way to identify them as "ping fragments" and = > reassemble them in order. That will require changes to the ICMPv6 = > protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really doing = > a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, = > respectively.
=0A= >
 
=0A= >
In the case of an = > application which sends records in single UDP frames, to avoid = > fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized chuncks, and = > come up with a way at the destination to identify and reassemble the = > chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given that IPv6 has a = > perfectly good mechanism to do this already.
=0A= >
 
=0A= >
So I think the = > behaviour observed by Thomas during his testing is correct. I don't = > think ping or ICMPv6 should reduce the ICMP message size to avoid IP = > fragmentation.
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=0A= >
Peter = > Hunt
=0A= >
Software = > Engineer
=0A= >
Nokia = > S&S.
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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 20:28:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E9F3A6A1D; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:28:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2663A6816; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:28:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.094 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.094 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.505, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qPnrS6DSh5MS; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319333A68F7; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0N4Rkew007704; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:47 -0500 Received: from imchub2.MITRE.ORG (imchub2.mitre.org [129.83.29.74]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0N4Rks0007698; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:46 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub2.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.74]) with mapi; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:46 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "Mark_Andrews@isc.org" , "Peter.Hunt@nokia.com" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:45 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl89idt4hgVSkIuTk67SSBj8+G5bAAHFQyA Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:54:39 +0200." <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> <200901230101.n0N119J0038463@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200901230101.n0N119J0038463@drugs.dv.isc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mark, Could you elaborate on what you mean by "DNS servers just tell the kernel t= o fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/IP= v4." What is the "network MTU?" Also, to which implementations of DNS serv= er are you referring? Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Mark_Andrews@isc.org [mailto:Mark_Andrews@isc.org] = Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:01 PM To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com Cc: shemant@cisco.com; Dunn, Jeffrey H.; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; ip= v6@ietf.org; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.or= g; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question = In message <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com>,= Pet er.Hunt@nokia.com writes: > Hemant, > =3D20 > Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying that = =3D > we should require protocols or applications above IP to always send data = =3D > in messages small enough to avoid IP fragemntation. > =3D20 > I agree it makes sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in = =3D > IP's cache when it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly =3D > reasonable, as it's already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For = =3D > protocols which are already packetized, though, I think it's less =3D > advantageous to burden them (or the application using them) with the =3D > problem of fragmentation and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation. > =3D20 > For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU = =3D > is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping =3D > application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to = =3D > do so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them as =3D > "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require changes = =3D > to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really =3D > doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respectively. > =3D20 > In the case of an application which sends records in single UDP frames, = =3D > to avoid fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized =3D > chuncks, and come up with a way at the destination to identify and =3D > reassemble the chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given =3D > that IPv6 has a perfectly good mechanism to do this already. > =3D20 For the record. DNS servers just tell the kernel to fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/IPv4. DNS clients don't usually generate packets big enough to be a issue. If they do need to send a big (> 512) message they usually just switch straight to TCP to avoid having to probe the server to see how big a UDP message it will handle. > So I think the behaviour observed by Thomas during his testing is =3D > correct. I don't think ping or ICMPv6 should reduce the ICMP message =3D > size to avoid IP fragmentation. > =3D20 > Peter Hunt > Software Engineer > Nokia S&S. > =3D20 > = > ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C97CEC.C9F8E0DD > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > = > RE: End System PMTUD behavior =3D > question=3D0A=3D > =3D0A=3D > =3D0= A=3D > =3D0A=3D >
=3D0A=3D >
size=3D3D2>Hemant,
=3D0A=3D >
 
=3D0A=3D >
Forgive me if I'= ve =3D > misunderstood, but it sounds like you're saying that we should require = =3D > protocols or applications above IP to always send data in messages small = =3D > enough to avoid IP fragemntation.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
I agree it makes= =3D > sense for a higher layer to use the PMTU information in IP's cache when = =3D > it can. Expecting TCP to use the PMTU is perfectly reasonable, as it's = =3D > already chopping up a byte stream into packets. For protocols which are = =3D > already packetized, though, I think it's less advantageous to burden =3D > them (or the application using them) with the problem of fragmentation = =3D > and reassembly, to avoid IP fragmentation.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
For example, if = a =3D > user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU is 1280, the only = =3D > way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping application to split the = =3D > data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to do so. Either way, you =3D > have to introduce some way to identify them as "ping fragments" and =3D > reassemble them in order. That will require changes to the ICMPv6 =3D > protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer really doing = =3D > a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, =3D > respectively.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
In the case of a= n =3D > application which sends records in single UDP frames, to avoid =3D > fragmentation is must split its messages into MTU-sized chuncks, and =3D > come up with a way at the destination to identify and reassemble the =3D > chunks in order. This seems a bit unreasonable, given that IPv6 has a =3D > perfectly good mechanism to do this already.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
So I think the = =3D > behaviour observed by Thomas during his testing is correct. I don't =3D > think ping or ICMPv6 should reduce the ICMP message size to avoid IP =3D > fragmentation.
=3D0A=3D >
 =3D0A=3D >
Peter =3D > Hunt
=3D0A=3D >
Software =3D > Engineer
=3D0A=3D >
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From: Mark Andrews Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:45 CDT." <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:36:46 +1100 Cc: "Peter.Hunt@nokia.com" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org In message <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG>, "Dun n, Jeffrey H." writes: > Mark, > > Could you elaborate on what you mean by "DNS servers just tell the kernel t= > o fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/IP= > v4." What is the "network MTU?" Also, to which implementations of DNS serv= > er are you referring? Cut-and-pasted from BIND's bsd socket implementation. Mark #ifdef IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU /* RFC 3542, not too common yet*/ /* use minimum MTU */ if (sock->pf == AF_INET6) { (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IPV6, IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU, (void *)&on, sizeof(on)); } #endif #if defined(IP_MTU_DISCOVER) && defined(IP_PMTUDISC_DONT) /* * Turn off Path MTU discovery on IPv4/UDP sockets. */ if (sock->pf == AF_INET) { int action = IP_PMTUDISC_DONT; (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_MTU_DISCOVER, &action, sizeof(action)); } #endif #if defined(IP_DONTFRAG) /* * Turn off Path MTU discovery on IPv4/UDP sockets. */ if (sock->pf == AF_INET) { int off = 0; (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_DONTFRAG, &off, sizeof(off)); } #endif > Best Regards,=20 > =A0=20 > Jeffrey Dunn=20 > Info Systems Eng., Lead=20 > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.larribere@pierreguerin.fr Thu Jan 22 21:46:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C39F3A689C; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -23.527 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-23.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_SUB_PERFECT=0.725, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.083, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XEKdCj2Qszby; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 212-95-32-105.internetserviceteam.com (unknown [202.141.232.52]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 33A633A6A3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:45:49 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 144.155.203.7 by smtp.212.95.32.105; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:36:33 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Rep watch is a perfect gift Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:45:33 -0500 From: "Jenny Irvin" To: "Kip Minor" Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kip, New Year is the time to get Chopard watch, and the only place to get top notch watches that look and perform exactly like the originals is http://www.maintilt.com Get two deeply discounted watches and take an extra 15% discount. http://www.maintilt.com Our Chopard watches have perfect weight and feel same as orginal. Sincerely, Mr Minor From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jan 22 22:04:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DC53A68C4; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:04:33 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C8F3A689C for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:04:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.564 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RmxT-iyoN4rz for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:04:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi [IPv6:2001:670:86:3001::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA753A6801 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0N63JwZ005027; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:03:19 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id n0N63Ir8005023; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:03:18 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:03:18 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question In-Reply-To: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> Message-ID: References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG><3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1589707168-1135482102-1232690599=:4544" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8893/Thu Jan 22 22:18:43 2009 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: csliou@mitre.org, ipv6@ietf.org, ksherman@mitre.org, steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov, fhuang@mitre.org, v6ops@ops.ietf.org, pgrayeli@mitre.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1589707168-1135482102-1232690599=:4544 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Peter.Hunt@nokia.com wrote: > For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping > application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to do so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them > as "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require changes to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think. Furthermore, you're no longer > really doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respectively. FWIW, what Remi said, different ping programs probably do this differently. And good ones allow you to do exactly what you want (this is from Linux) -M hint Select Path MTU Discovery strategy. hint may be either _do_ (prohibit fragmentation, even local one), _want_ (do PMTU discovery, fragment locally when packet size is large), or _dont_ (do not set DF flag). When I use ping to figure out Path MTU issue, I usually have to run tcpdump on the side to be 100% sure how ping is actually behaving, because additionally, there's also PMTU caching on the local host. Some older versions also didn't support '-M do' properly for IPv6. So there are quite a few things that could lead to non-deterministic behaviour. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings --1589707168-1135482102-1232690599=:4544 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- --1589707168-1135482102-1232690599=:4544-- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 23 04:06:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCBC3A6861; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:06:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5A63A6843; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:06:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.095 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.095 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.484, BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_STOCK2=3.988, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6I6cyXMhLCzo; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358013A6861; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 04:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NC65vs013166; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:06 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NC65gC013160; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:05 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:05 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "Mark_Andrews@isc.org" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:06:03 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl9FDkLNonOErpYTFKHM4HeUN959AAPPtMg Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD71AA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:45 CDT." <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901230436.n0N4akbE042009@drugs.dv.isc.org> In-Reply-To: <200901230436.n0N4akbE042009@drugs.dv.isc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Peter.Hunt@nokia.com" , "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mark, Fair enough, it appears the short answer to which implementation you know o= f is BIND (I assume 9.x). With respect to IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU, I thought the v= alue for this was 1280. If so, this simply circumvents PMTUD and uses the I= Pv6 minimum MTU. Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Mark_Andrews@isc.org [mailto:Mark_Andrews@isc.org] = Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:37 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. Cc: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com; shemant@cisco.com; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.= ; ipv6@ietf.org; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@iet= f.org; v6ops@ops.ietf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question = In message <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7186@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG>, = "Dun n, Jeffrey H." writes: > Mark, > = > Could you elaborate on what you mean by "DNS servers just tell the kernel= t=3D > o fragment at network mtu for UDP/IPv6 and ensure that DF is off for UDP/= IP=3D > v4." What is the "network MTU?" Also, to which implementations of DNS se= rv=3D > er are you referring? Cut-and-pasted from BIND's bsd socket implementation. Mark #ifdef IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU /* RFC 3542, not too common yet*/ /* use minimum MTU */ if (sock->pf =3D=3D AF_INET6) { (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IPV6, IPV6_USE_MIN_MTU, (void *)&on, sizeof(on)); } #endif #if defined(IP_MTU_DISCOVER) && defined(IP_PMTUDISC_DONT) /* * Turn off Path MTU discovery on IPv4/UDP sockets. */ if (sock->pf =3D=3D AF_INET) { int action =3D IP_PMTUDISC_DONT; (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_MTU_DISCO= VER, &action, sizeof(action)); } #endif #if defined(IP_DONTFRAG) /* * Turn off Path MTU discovery on IPv4/UDP sockets. */ if (sock->pf =3D=3D AF_INET) { int off =3D 0; (void)setsockopt(sock->fd, IPPROTO_IP, IP_DONTFRAG, &off, sizeof(off)); } #endif = > Best Regards,=3D20 > =3DA0=3D20 > Jeffrey Dunn=3D20 > Info Systems Eng., Lead=3D20 > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -- = Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark_Andrews@isc.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From te@casaraja.com Fri Jan 23 05:56:48 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB1F3A6867; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:56:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -57.835 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-57.835 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FmjM2ts5KDOX; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from 212-95-32-105.internetserviceteam.com (unknown [78.188.106.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EB9043A686C; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:56:25 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: 92.231.178.18 by smtp.212.95.32.105; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:57:53 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Franck Muller watch for a New Year Gift! 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To: Pekka Savola , "Peter.Hunt@nokia.com" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:36:01 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl9IGzTCda24YBvSU2ZWaibZ9epxgARzCxg Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD72F0@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG><3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69E6@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B900@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "Sherman, Kurt T." , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Pekka, Good point. We use Wireshark to capture the send/receive sequence on the h= ost. In addition, we reboot the machine between tests to ensure the PMTU ca= che is cleared, since we have show that, once learned, the host will immedi= ately send fragmented ICMPv6 echo requests within the PMTU size. Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Pekka Savola [mailto:pekkas@netcore.fi] = Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:03 AM To: Peter.Hunt@nokia.com Cc: shemant@cisco.com; Dunn, Jeffrey H.; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; ip= v6@ietf.org; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6@ietf.org; v6ops= @ops.ietf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question On Fri, 23 Jan 2009, Peter.Hunt@nokia.com wrote: > For example, if a user does a "ping -s 1500" to a destination whose PMTU = is 1280, the only way to avoid IP fragmentation is for the ping > application to split the data into multiple messages, or for IPCMPv6 to d= o so. Either way, you have to introduce some way to identify them > as "ping fragments" and reassemble them in order. That will require chang= es to the ICMPv6 protocol, I think.=A0Furthermore,=A0you're no longer > really doing a "ping 1500", but two pings of 1280 and 220 bytes, respecti= vely. FWIW, what Remi said, different ping programs probably do this = differently. And good ones allow you to do exactly what you want = (this is from Linux) -M hint Select Path MTU Discovery strategy. hint may be either _do_= (prohibit fragmentation, even local one), _want_ (do PMTU discovery, fragment locally when packet size is large), or _= dont_ (do not set DF flag). When I use ping to figure out Path MTU issue, I usually have to run = tcpdump on the side to be 100% sure how ping is actually behaving, = because additionally, there's also PMTU caching on the local host. = Some older versions also didn't support '-M do' properly for IPv6. So there are quite a few things that could lead to non-deterministic = behaviour. -- = Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 23 06:55:01 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB4F28C1B4; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:55:01 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E763628C1B4; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:55:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.847 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.847 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.752, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8UqOUzmhwfpH; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6792C28C1B2; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 06:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NEsgQc026732; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:42 -0500 Received: from imchub1.MITRE.ORG (imchub1.mitre.org [129.83.29.73]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n0NEsg2J026729; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:42 -0500 Received: from IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.204]) by imchub1.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.29.73]) with mapi; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:42 -0500 From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: Thomas Peterson Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:54:41 -0500 Subject: RE: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Topic: End System PMTUD behavior question Thread-Index: Acl80VYqdrLkaTMlRAetAiyxL5Cq/wAmQSxw Message-ID: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7322@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <18F8D12C-DAA0-4F30-B405-9F54C15EACB4@iol.unh.edu> In-Reply-To: <18F8D12C-DAA0-4F30-B405-9F54C15EACB4@iol.unh.edu> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tom, Many thanks for the information. Could you tell me the OS variants on the h= osts and router? Also, do you have any tests involving applications? I wil= l send you an off-line e-mail to discuss possible additional testing. Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu] = Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:38 PM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt T.; L= iou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6ops@ops.i= etf.org; Grayeli, Parisa Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Hi Jeffrey, I have attached a picture which shows one of the topologies we use for = our PMTUD tests. In this test case we transmit an Echo Request from REF-Host2 to TAR- = Host1 with a packet size of 1500 bytes. REF-Host2 fragments the Echo = Request it transmits. TAR-Host1 replies to this Echo Request with an = Echo Reply to REF-Host2 with a size of 1500 bytes that is not = fragmented. TAR-Router1 sends a Packet Too Big message in response as = this Echo Reply is too large to forward onto Network 2. In all of the cases we have seen TAR-Host1 does fragment future Echo = Replies to REF-Host2, however, it does not retransmit any Echo Replies = for Echo Requests received prior to receiving the Packet Too Big = message from TAR-Router1. Additionally from the tests we have performed in our lab if TAR-Host1 = were to send an Echo Request with a packet size of 1500 bytes TAR- = Router1 would send a Packet Too Big message in response. In all cases = we have seen TAR-Host1 would not re-transmit this Echo Request and = this would be counted as packet loss in the ping command results. If this does not ideally match your test scenario we'd be happy to = work together off-line to replicate your scenario. Thanks, Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jan 23 08:51:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B2B28C1E7; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:51:15 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AE628C1E7; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:51:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.341 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.341 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.258, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qL-6pKC+vqwy; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal.iol.unh.edu (postal.iol.unh.edu [132.177.123.84]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3589A28C17F; Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from chinacat.iol.unh.edu (chinacat.iol.unh.edu [132.177.125.46]) by postal.iol.unh.edu (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n0NGoka8016920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:50:47 -0500 Message-Id: From: Thomas Peterson To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." In-Reply-To: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7322@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:50:47 -0500 References: <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD67DA@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <200901212133.30109.rdenis@simphalempin.com> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD687B@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <42A4D5E1-C552-434C-90E3-DA3EF4A78688@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD69D1@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> <18F8D12C-DAA0-4F30-B405-9F54C15EACB4@iol.unh.edu> <3C6F21684E7C954193E6C7C4573B762701D3DD7322@IMCMBX1.MITRE.ORG> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94/8897/Fri Jan 23 07:59:36 2009 on postal.iol.unh.edu X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: "ipv6-bounces@ietf.org" , "Liou, Chern" , "ipv6@ietf.org" , "Sherman, Kurt T." , "steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov" , "Huang, Frank" , "v6ops@ops.ietf.org" , "Grayeli, Parisa" X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi Jeffrey, Here is a link to the list of all of the different hosts that we have = performed this testing on: http://www.iol.unh.edu/services/testing/ipv6/equipment.php Currently we use the ping application to test PTMUD, however, we would = be interested in performing addition tests using various applications. Thanks, Tom On Jan 23, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > Tom, > > Many thanks for the information. Could you tell me the OS variants = > on the hosts and router? Also, do you have any tests involving = > applications? I will send you an off-line e-mail to discuss = > possible additional testing. > > Best Regards, > > Jeffrey Dunn > Info Systems Eng., Lead > MITRE Corporation. > (301) 448-6965 (mobile) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Peterson [mailto:thomasp@iol.unh.edu] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:38 PM > To: Dunn, Jeffrey H. > Cc: R=E9mi Denis-Courmont; ipv6@ietf.org; Huang, Frank; Sherman, Kurt = > T.; Liou, Chern; steve_eiserman@uscourts.gov; ipv6-bounces@ietf.org; v6op= s@ops.ietf.org = > ; Grayeli, Parisa > Subject: Re: End System PMTUD behavior question > > Hi Jeffrey, > > I have attached a picture which shows one of the topologies we use for > our PMTUD tests. > > In this test case we transmit an Echo Request from REF-Host2 to TAR- > Host1 with a packet size of 1500 bytes. REF-Host2 fragments the Echo > Request it transmits. TAR-Host1 replies to this Echo Request with an > Echo Reply to REF-Host2 with a size of 1500 bytes that is not > fragmented. TAR-Router1 sends a Packet Too Big message in response as > this Echo Reply is too large to forward onto Network 2. > > In all of the cases we have seen TAR-Host1 does fragment future Echo > Replies to REF-Host2, however, it does not retransmit any Echo Replies > for Echo Requests received prior to receiving the Packet Too Big > message from TAR-Router1. > > Additionally from the tests we have performed in our lab if TAR-Host1 > were to send an Echo Request with a packet size of 1500 bytes TAR- > Router1 would send a Packet Too Big message in response. 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