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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 2 15:30:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A62328C222; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:03 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@ietf.org Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 8082D28C104; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-6man-reserved-iids-02.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081202233001.8082D28C104@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group of the IETF. Title : Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers Author(s) : S. Krishnan Filename : draft-ietf-6man-reserved-iids-02.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2008-12-02 Interface Identifiers in IPv6 unicast addresses are used to identify interfaces on a link. They are required to be unique within a subnet. Several RFCs have specified interface identifiers or identifier ranges that have a special meaning attached to them. An IPv6 node autoconfiguring an interface identifier in these ranges will encounter unexpected consequences. Since there is no centralized repository for such reserved identifiers, this document aims to create one. 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 3 07:57:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108943A6893; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B153A6893; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:57:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.044 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.555, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m-rpev9cECWb; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.143]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CEF3A67E9; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB3FuT6w002741; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:56:29 -0500 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mB3FuwxU159766; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:56:58 -0500 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mB3Fuwxq002815; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:56:58 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-212-155.mts.ibm.com [9.65.212.155]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB3FuvL2002785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:56:58 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mB3FuuPJ004273; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:56:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200812031556.mB3FuuPJ004273@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: Node Req: Issue 6: Support for RFC 5121: IP version 6 over WiMAX In-reply-to: <4921D200.3070506@gmail.com> References: <4BACF58443A3A04688976073775ABB2961B535@daebe102.NOE.Nokia.com> <4920E121.5090102@gmail.com> <4921D200.3070506@gmail.com> Comments: In-reply-to Brian E Carpenter message dated "Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:20:16 +1300." Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:56:56 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Cc: john.loughney@nokia.com, ipv6@ietf.org, "16ng@ietf.org" <16ng@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Upleveling for a minute, why are we even including Link Layers in the Node *Requirements* doc? Clearly, we aren't *requiring* any of them, since choice of appropriate L2s depends on the environment. Indeed, draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-02.txt says: 4. Sub-IP Layer An IPv6 node must include support for one or more IPv6 link-layer specifications. Which link-layer specifications are included will depend upon what link-layers are supported by the hardware available on the system. It is possible for a conformant IPv6 node to support IPv6 on some of its interfaces and not on others. As IPv6 is run over new layer 2 technologies, it is expected that new specifications will be issued. This section highlights some major layer 2 technologies and is not intended to be complete. And then goes on to say things like: 4.1. Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Ethernet Networks - RFC 2464 Nodes supporting IPv6 over Ethernet interfaces MUST implement Transmission of IPv6 Packets over Ethernet Networks [RFC2464]. 4.2. IP version 6 over PPP - RFC 5072 Nodes supporting IPv6 over PPP MUST implement IPv6 over PPP [RFC5072]. 4.3. IPv6 over ATM Networks - RFC 2492 Nodes supporting IPv6 over ATM Networks MUST implement IPv6 over ATM Networks [RFC2492]. Additionally, RFC 2492 states: A minimally conforming IPv6/ATM driver SHALL support the PVC mode of operation. An IPv6/ATM driver that supports the full SVC mode SHALL also support PVC mode of operation. So, as Pekka points out, the list is incomplete as is. And one might wonder why ATM is listed over any other number of other L2s... That said, I would suggest that having (in one place) a list of link layers that IPv6 is defined to work over is useful. Not to require any of them, but just to have a list of them all in one place. How about removing all of the individual subections (4.1 - 4.3) and add a simple table that lists the IPv6 over Foo documents that folk might want to be aware of. I agree with others that this document shouldn't be giving stronger/different advice than is being given in other documents already, so just providing pointers to those other documents seems reasonable. Thomas -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 3 08:20:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AF23A6AEC; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:20:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD0F3A6AEC for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.520, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9jaFOvHAG7Jj for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from e5.ny.us.ibm.com (e5.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D983B3A68C3 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e5.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB3GKAoR030507 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:20:10 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mB3GKZqF166112 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:20:35 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mB3GK8Is002638 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:20:08 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-212-155.mts.ibm.com [9.65.212.155]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB3GK5c2002503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:20:07 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mB3GKV5D004890; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:20:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200812031620.mB3GKV5D004890@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: john.loughney@nokia.com Subject: Re: Node req: Issue 8 (RFC 5175 - extensions to RA flags) In-reply-to: <4BACF58443A3A04688976073775ABB2961B554@daebe102.NOE.Nokia.com> References: <7182010.12431219366974773.JavaMail.weblogic@epml09> <9A613C72-E818-410B-9769-8C34E8A78AE1@cisco.com> <200810131540.m9DFeRGR009155@rotala.raleigh.ibm.com> <20081013163846.GA5577@isc.org> <20081014163236.GD5364@isc.org> <7465F7E3-931F-4924-AC84-2993AF447E68@nominum.com> <490799D1.7080307@gmail.com> <490A6DFF.10103@gmail.com> <684a31320652c62671f496b6dc45b80e@chewa.net> <4BACF58443A3A04688976073775ABB29525356@daebe102.NOE.Nokia.com> <4914AB89.3020903@sri.com> <4BACF58443A3A04688976073775ABB2961B554@da! ebe102.NOE.Nokia.com> Comments: In-reply-to message dated "Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:47:21 -0600." Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:20:31 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org > >5.2 - should RFC 5175 - extensions to RA flags - be included? > Issue 8: This would be good to add as well. Can we see proposed text please? I'm on the fence on this one. From an implementation perspective, it makes little sense for anyone to go off and implement this today. Until there is an actual defined option that uses this format, why would an implementation bother adding code? Presumably, once a new option is defined that actually uses the new format, at that point the implementation would need to be updated (even if 5175 had already been implemented). That is the point that it would make sense to actually *require* implementation of 5175. It makes no sense to implement 5175 until an actual usage is defined. I think it would be fine to reference this document as something that may need to get implemented in the future. But no more. How about the following for a strawman: Router Advertisements include an 8-bit field of single-bit Router Advertisement flags. As of today, 6 have been assigned, while 2 are available for future assignment. RFC 5175 defines a way to expand the single-bit flag field to 56 (or more) bits. Future Router Advertisement extensions requiring single bit flags will eventually make use of this extension. At the present time, however, there is no defined extension that uses RFC 5175. 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 3 12:21:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390CE3A6892; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:21:06 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A533A6892 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:21:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.109 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.510, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bKKnEOtrkvFj for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from e8.ny.us.ibm.com (e8.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.138]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965153A6820 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e8.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB3KGKw3017805 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:16:20 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mB3KKsm3178358 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:20:54 -0500 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mB3KKRFF017677 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:20:27 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-212-155.mts.ibm.com [9.65.212.155]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB3KKPR1017505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:20:27 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mB3KKpaB003782 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:20:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200812032020.mB3KKpaB003782@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: IPv6 Node Requirements: scope and principles Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:20:51 -0500 From: Thomas Narten X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org I've recently reread draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-02.txt, and I think it might be good to think about the overall purpose/scope of this document. We have often said/assumed that the document is informational, and does not make any new requirements that don't already exist in standards track RFCs. I believe such an assertion is false. Consider the introduction: > 2. Introduction > > The goal of this document is to define the common functionality > required from both IPv6 hosts and routers. Many IPv6 nodes will > implement optional or additional features, but this document > summarizes requirements from other published Standards Track > documents in one place. > This document tries to avoid discussion of protocol details, and > references RFCs for this purpose. This document is informational in > nature and does not update Standards Track RFCs. Not entirely true. It does include MUSTs of entire RFCs or subsections of RFCs (e.g., DAD). But, some/many of those existing RFCs are all "optional" in the sense that they don't say you MUST implement them. IETF Documents rarely say "you MUST implement me to be compliant with IPv6 (or IPv4)". I'm not saying that any documents are wrong or need updating. However, the basic nature of IETF specs are that they are optional. For example, the document says: > The IPv6 Addressing Architecture [RFC4291] MUST be supported. But 4291 doesn't use 2119 terminology at all, and I don't see any wording suggesting that an IPv6 node must implement it to be compliant > 5.6.2. IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration - RFC 4862 > > IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is defined in [RFC4862]. > This specification MUST be supported for nodes that are hosts. > Static address can be supported as well. 4862 doesn't anywhere say it must be implemented, though it is pretty obvious that any IPv6 implementation that doesn't include 4862 is pretty deficient and won't interoperate with other IPv6 nodes. But my point is that no Standards Track document mandates implementation of 4862. Then, take another example: > 5.6.3. Privacy Extensions for Address Configuration in IPv6 - RFC 4941 > > Privacy Extensions for Stateless Address Autoconfiguration [RFC4941] > SHOULD be supported. It is recommended that this behavior be > configurable on a connection basis within each application when > available. It is noted that a number of applications do not work > with addresses generated with this method, while other applications > work quite well with them. I took a quick glance at 4941, and I don't see any reference to being able to configure stuff on a per-connection basis. (I.e., it's not mentioned in "3.6. Deployment Considerations"). That said, rather than looking at any of these and picking on them, I'd like to up-level and ask what this document is trying to achieve. When I read through the bis document, I found it contained very little info in some cases (just a sentence pointing to a spec) or more detailed information where specific requirements were extracted from a particular RFC, as if to emphasize them more (e.g., consider Section 5.1, which talks about 2460). Maybe there was a reason for having all that specific text back when we did (anyone remember why?). But some of the text seems redundent and unnecessary at this time. Should we trim it down? My opinion is that there are a number of groups that have (or will) be doing profiles of IPv6 over the next few years (e.g., as NIST and DoD have done). What is in those profiles is very important. Many of those documents will use the IETF node requirements doc as starting point. Thus, to be useful, IMO, we should be providing more context and guidance as to which to include and in what environments. That would be more useful than just a "you SHOULD implement X". The current document is simply too sparse to achieve that. Consider privacy extensions again. It has a simple SHOULD recomendation that it be implemented. IMO, that is not helpful. There is no need for routers to implement the spec. There is no need for traditional servers to implement it. It only makes sense for mobile devices to implement the extensions. And probably only devices that are "personal" in the sense they belong to one (or a small number of) individuals. But, if the IETF just says SHOULD, other folk doing profiles may blindly include it in their profiles, when that doesn't really make sense. I'd like to propose that we turn this document into more of an applicability statement. That is, mention specific RFCs, but include context/applicablity wording that would guide an implementor (and profile writer) as to what the RFC is useful for and when one might want to implement it. Thoughts? 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(stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm13537823rvf.3.2008.12.03.12.55.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:55:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4936F229.1000400@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:55:05 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten Subject: Re: Node Req: Issue 6: Support for RFC 5121: IP version 6 over WiMAX References: <4BACF58443A3A04688976073775ABB2961B535@daebe102.NOE.Nokia.com> <4920E121.5090102@gmail.com> <4921D200.3070506@gmail.com> <200812031556.mB3FuuPJ004273@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200812031556.mB3FuuPJ004273@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Cc: john.loughney@nokia.com, ipv6@ietf.org, "16ng@ietf.org" <16ng@ietf.org> X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On 2008-12-04 04:56, Thomas Narten wrote: > Upleveling for a minute, why are we even including Link Layers in the > Node *Requirements* doc? > > Clearly, we aren't *requiring* any of them, since choice of > appropriate L2s depends on the environment. ... > How about removing all of the individual subections (4.1 - 4.3) and > add a simple table that lists the IPv6 over Foo documents that folk > might want to be aware of. 100% agreement. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 3 13:11:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468DB3A6A06; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:11:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB2C3A6A10 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:11:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.046 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.046 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eC+DwUK3ih8w for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate-internal3.sri.com (mailgate-internal3.SRI.COM [128.18.84.113]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 029553A6A06 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (128.18.84.115) by mailgate-internal3.sri.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2008 21:11:02 -0000 X-AuditID: 80125473-a9cdfbb000000a55-1e-4936f5e60b29 Received: from srimail1.sri.com (srimail1.SRI.COM [128.18.30.11]) by smssmtp-internal1.sri.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 3785421AF2C for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (static-72-90-189-2.nwrknj.east.verizon.net [72.90.189.2]) by mail.sri.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0KBB003RMK6DSH7K@mail.sri.com> for ipv6@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:11:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:11:05 -0500 From: Ed Jankiewicz Subject: Re: IPv6 Node Requirements: scope and principles In-reply-to: <200812032020.mB3KKpaB003782@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Thomas Narten Message-id: <4936F5E9.7000603@sri.com> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <200812032020.mB3KKpaB003782@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Speaking as an individual, but drawing on my experience as a contributor to one of the profile specifications you mention, it seems this draft could be one of the following: 1. a roadmap/reading list for IPv6 implementors and evaluators (thus informational, and without any RFC 2119 language) 2. an applicability statement as you suggest (informational or standards track) 3. a normative definition of the IPv6 node requirements (standards track, inclusion by reference of current IPv6 standards with RFC 2119 language) I think the current RFC 4294 and this draft fall into category 2, neither fish nor fowl. Thomas is correct in pointing out that it seems to say one thing (i.e. option 1 with no new requirements) but does another (make MUST statements that are not elsewhere). Guessing what the intention was for RFC 4294 - produce a good statement of IPv6 requirements without the ordeal of making a standards track document - that meant such a compromise. The revision could continue along with the same compromise, but I agree with Thomas's discomfort at that. The current draft basically tidies up and updates the RFC without changing the scope and impact. That seemed to be the direction of the WG if I recall conversations 2 or 3 IETFs back. I would support and contribute to a stronger document as Thomas suggests, but obviously that would take a lot more work than a touch-up. I would rather have a Standards Track document with RFC 2119 language, but that is not as important as a clear explanation of the applicability of the RFC base to someone writing profiles or test plans, or designing products, to understand when and how to include capabilities, as well as the implications of NOT including them. I don't know if the chairs or the WG in general is open to re-scoping this work, or more interested in just wrapping up the current minor revisions, but I do second the concerns that Thomas raises. Ed J. Thomas Narten wrote: > I've recently reread draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-02.txt, and I think > it might be good to think about the overall purpose/scope of this > document. > > We have often said/assumed that the document is informational, and > does not make any new requirements that don't already exist in > standards track RFCs. > > I believe such an assertion is false. > > Consider the introduction: > > >> 2. Introduction >> >> The goal of this document is to define the common functionality >> required from both IPv6 hosts and routers. Many IPv6 nodes will >> implement optional or additional features, but this document >> summarizes requirements from other published Standards Track >> documents in one place. >> > > >> This document tries to avoid discussion of protocol details, and >> references RFCs for this purpose. This document is informational in >> nature and does not update Standards Track RFCs. >> > > Not entirely true. It does include MUSTs of entire RFCs or subsections > of RFCs (e.g., DAD). But, some/many of those existing RFCs are all > "optional" in the sense that they don't say you MUST implement them. > IETF Documents rarely say "you MUST implement me to be compliant with > IPv6 (or IPv4)". > > I'm not saying that any documents are wrong or need updating. However, > the basic nature of IETF specs are that they are optional. > > For example, the document says: > > >> The IPv6 Addressing Architecture [RFC4291] MUST be supported. >> > > But 4291 doesn't use 2119 terminology at all, and I don't see any > wording suggesting that an IPv6 node must implement it to be compliant > > >> 5.6.2. IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration - RFC 4862 >> >> IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is defined in [RFC4862]. >> This specification MUST be supported for nodes that are hosts. >> Static address can be supported as well. >> > > 4862 doesn't anywhere say it must be implemented, though it is pretty > obvious that any IPv6 implementation that doesn't include 4862 is > pretty deficient and won't interoperate with other IPv6 nodes. But my > point is that no Standards Track document mandates implementation of > 4862. > > Then, take another example: > > >> 5.6.3. Privacy Extensions for Address Configuration in IPv6 - RFC 4941 >> >> Privacy Extensions for Stateless Address Autoconfiguration [RFC4941] >> SHOULD be supported. It is recommended that this behavior be >> configurable on a connection basis within each application when >> available. It is noted that a number of applications do not work >> with addresses generated with this method, while other applications >> work quite well with them. >> > > I took a quick glance at 4941, and I don't see any reference to being > able to configure stuff on a per-connection basis. (I.e., it's not > mentioned in "3.6. Deployment Considerations"). > > That said, rather than looking at any of these and picking on them, > I'd like to up-level and ask what this document is trying to achieve. > > When I read through the bis document, I found it contained very little > info in some cases (just a sentence pointing to a spec) or more > detailed information where specific requirements were extracted from a > particular RFC, as if to emphasize them more (e.g., consider Section > 5.1, which talks about 2460). Maybe there was a reason for having all > that specific text back when we did (anyone remember why?). But some > of the text seems redundent and unnecessary at this time. Should we > trim it down? > > My opinion is that there are a number of groups that have (or will) be > doing profiles of IPv6 over the next few years (e.g., as NIST and DoD > have done). What is in those profiles is very important. Many of those > documents will use the IETF node requirements doc as starting > point. Thus, to be useful, IMO, we should be providing more context > and guidance as to which to include and in what environments. That > would be more useful than just a "you SHOULD implement X". The > current document is simply too sparse to achieve that. > > Consider privacy extensions again. It has a simple SHOULD > recomendation that it be implemented. IMO, that is not helpful. There > is no need for routers to implement the spec. There is no need for > traditional servers to implement it. It only makes sense for mobile > devices to implement the extensions. And probably only devices that > are "personal" in the sense they belong to one (or a small number of) > individuals. But, if the IETF just says SHOULD, other folk doing > profiles may blindly include it in their profiles, when that doesn't > really make sense. > > I'd like to propose that we turn this document into more of an > applicability statement. That is, mention specific RFCs, but include > context/applicablity wording that would guide an implementor (and > profile writer) as to what the RFC is useful for and when one might > want to implement it. > > Thoughts? > > Thomas > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 3 14:00:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD1628C1D3; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:00:04 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@ietf.org Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: by core3.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id D01F03A69CC; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action:draft-ietf-6man-reserved-iids-03.txt Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081203220001.D01F03A69CC@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:00:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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There is kind of stallmate. Without NAT66 we wont get IPv6. We do not want NAT66 but we need IPv6. My idea - let us have NATted islands within a NATfree IPv6. With symmetrical NAT66 we could undo what NAT66 has done. For this we need an extension header that includes the original, pre NAT66 addresses, ports and checksums. Yet another header everybody needs to know of and respect? draft-krishnan-ipv6-exthdr-06 shows how this can be done "once and for all" so we do not need to bother again how to treat new unknown headers next week again. By the way a symmetrical NAT66 after reinstalling the original header, could remove the extension header. 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 9 11:59:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD893A6B56; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:59:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBB73A695F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:53:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fHM7FgXxLS5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhuapl.edu (pilot.jhuapl.edu [128.244.198.200]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1573A68B4 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ([128.244.206.11]) by pilot.jhuapl.edu with ESMTP with TLS id 5502123.127910821; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:53:31 -0500 Message-ID: <493ECCBB.8040202@innovationslab.net> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:53:31 -0500 From: Brian Haberman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Jankiewicz Subject: Re: IPv6 Node Requirements: scope and principles References: <200812032020.mB3KKpaB003782@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4936F5E9.7000603@sri.com> In-Reply-To: <4936F5E9.7000603@sri.com> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:59:40 -0800 Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Hi Ed, Ed Jankiewicz wrote: > Speaking as an individual, but drawing on my experience as a contributor > to one of the profile specifications you mention, it seems this draft > could be one of the following: > > 1. a roadmap/reading list for IPv6 implementors and evaluators (thus > informational, and without any RFC 2119 language) Would this type of document be a single laundry list of IPv6-related specs or would it try and narrow down the suggested reading list based on some classification (e.g., router, host, etc.)? > 2. an applicability statement as you suggest (informational or > standards track) The question I have with this approach is whether it will help stack developers, especially those who develop a single IPv6 stack that gets used in a variety of deployment scenarios (i.e., servers, clients, caches, ...). > 3. a normative definition of the IPv6 node requirements (standards > track, inclusion by reference of current IPv6 standards with RFC 2119 > language) This type of document was discussed when the first Node Reqs draft was written. I *believe* that the consensus at the time was that such an approach was infeasible for any number of reasons. > > I think the current RFC 4294 and this draft fall into category 2, > neither fish nor fowl. Thomas is correct in pointing out that it seems > to say one thing (i.e. option 1 with no new requirements) but does > another (make MUST statements that are not elsewhere). Guessing what > the intention was for RFC 4294 - produce a good statement of IPv6 > requirements without the ordeal of making a standards track document - > that meant such a compromise. > The revision could continue along with the same compromise, but I agree > with Thomas's discomfort at that. The current draft basically tidies up > and updates the RFC without changing the scope and impact. That seemed > to be the direction of the WG if I recall conversations 2 or 3 IETFs > back. I would support and contribute to a stronger document as Thomas > suggests, but obviously that would take a lot more work than a > touch-up. I would rather have a Standards Track document with RFC 2119 > language, but that is not as important as a clear explanation of the > applicability of the RFC base to someone writing profiles or test plans, > or designing products, to understand when and how to include > capabilities, as well as the implications of NOT including them. > > I don't know if the chairs or the WG in general is open to re-scoping > this work, or more interested in just wrapping up the current minor > revisions, but I do second the concerns that Thomas raises. I want to see a document that is the most useful to the community, regardless of whether it takes more work or not. In order for the chairs to judge such a consensus, we need to hear feedback on the issue. Regards, Brian > > Ed J. > > Thomas Narten wrote: >> I've recently reread draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis-02.txt, and I think >> it might be good to think about the overall purpose/scope of this >> document. >> >> We have often said/assumed that the document is informational, and >> does not make any new requirements that don't already exist in >> standards track RFCs. >> >> I believe such an assertion is false. >> >> Consider the introduction: >> >> >>> 2. Introduction >>> >>> The goal of this document is to define the common functionality >>> required from both IPv6 hosts and routers. Many IPv6 nodes will >>> implement optional or additional features, but this document >>> summarizes requirements from other published Standards Track >>> documents in one place. >>> >> >> >>> This document tries to avoid discussion of protocol details, and >>> references RFCs for this purpose. This document is informational in >>> nature and does not update Standards Track RFCs. >>> >> >> Not entirely true. It does include MUSTs of entire RFCs or subsections >> of RFCs (e.g., DAD). But, some/many of those existing RFCs are all >> "optional" in the sense that they don't say you MUST implement them. >> IETF Documents rarely say "you MUST implement me to be compliant with >> IPv6 (or IPv4)". >> >> I'm not saying that any documents are wrong or need updating. However, >> the basic nature of IETF specs are that they are optional. >> For example, the document says: >> >> >>> The IPv6 Addressing Architecture [RFC4291] MUST be supported. >>> >> >> But 4291 doesn't use 2119 terminology at all, and I don't see any >> wording suggesting that an IPv6 node must implement it to be compliant >> >> >>> 5.6.2. IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration - RFC 4862 >>> >>> IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration is defined in [RFC4862]. >>> This specification MUST be supported for nodes that are hosts. >>> Static address can be supported as well. >>> >> >> 4862 doesn't anywhere say it must be implemented, though it is pretty >> obvious that any IPv6 implementation that doesn't include 4862 is >> pretty deficient and won't interoperate with other IPv6 nodes. But my >> point is that no Standards Track document mandates implementation of >> 4862. >> >> Then, take another example: >> >> >>> 5.6.3. Privacy Extensions for Address Configuration in IPv6 - RFC 4941 >>> >>> Privacy Extensions for Stateless Address Autoconfiguration [RFC4941] >>> SHOULD be supported. It is recommended that this behavior be >>> configurable on a connection basis within each application when >>> available. It is noted that a number of applications do not work >>> with addresses generated with this method, while other applications >>> work quite well with them. >>> >> >> I took a quick glance at 4941, and I don't see any reference to being >> able to configure stuff on a per-connection basis. (I.e., it's not >> mentioned in "3.6. Deployment Considerations"). >> >> That said, rather than looking at any of these and picking on them, >> I'd like to up-level and ask what this document is trying to achieve. >> >> When I read through the bis document, I found it contained very little >> info in some cases (just a sentence pointing to a spec) or more >> detailed information where specific requirements were extracted from a >> particular RFC, as if to emphasize them more (e.g., consider Section >> 5.1, which talks about 2460). Maybe there was a reason for having all >> that specific text back when we did (anyone remember why?). But some >> of the text seems redundent and unnecessary at this time. Should we >> trim it down? >> >> My opinion is that there are a number of groups that have (or will) be >> doing profiles of IPv6 over the next few years (e.g., as NIST and DoD >> have done). What is in those profiles is very important. Many of those >> documents will use the IETF node requirements doc as starting >> point. Thus, to be useful, IMO, we should be providing more context >> and guidance as to which to include and in what environments. That >> would be more useful than just a "you SHOULD implement X". The >> current document is simply too sparse to achieve that. >> >> Consider privacy extensions again. It has a simple SHOULD >> recomendation that it be implemented. IMO, that is not helpful. There >> is no need for routers to implement the spec. There is no need for >> traditional servers to implement it. It only makes sense for mobile >> devices to implement the extensions. And probably only devices that >> are "personal" in the sense they belong to one (or a small number of) >> individuals. But, if the IETF just says SHOULD, other folk doing >> profiles may blindly include it in their profiles, when that doesn't >> really make sense. >> >> I'd like to propose that we turn this document into more of an >> applicability statement. That is, mention specific RFCs, but include >> context/applicablity wording that would guide an implementor (and >> profile writer) as to what the RFC is useful for and when one might >> want to implement it. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thomas >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 9 12:22:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66013A6996; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:22:13 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409073A6971 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:22:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.03 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.03 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.569, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IUOK02j7UrxF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from e1.ny.us.ibm.com (e1.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A073A69F6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB9KLQRe029181 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:21:26 -0500 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mB9KM43L160152 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mB9KM471009220 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-223-121.mts.ibm.com [9.65.223.121]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9KM3MA009081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mB9KM2II005057; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:22:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200812092022.mB9KM2II005057@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: Brian Haberman Subject: Re: IPv6 Node Requirements: scope and principles In-reply-to: <493ECCBB.8040202@innovationslab.net> References: <200812032020.mB3KKpaB003782@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4936F5E9.7000603@sri.com> <493ECCBB.8040202@innovationslab.net> Comments: In-reply-to Brian Haberman message dated "Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:53:31 -0500." Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:22:02 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Cc: ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Brian Haberman writes: > Hi Ed, > Ed Jankiewicz wrote: > > Speaking as an individual, but drawing on my experience as a contributor > > to one of the profile specifications you mention, it seems this draft > > could be one of the following: > > > > 1. a roadmap/reading list for IPv6 implementors and evaluators (thus > > informational, and without any RFC 2119 language) > Would this type of document be a single laundry list of IPv6-related > specs or would it try and narrow down the suggested reading list based > on some classification (e.g., router, host, etc.)? I think it should narrow down the list to the most important ones. Not only the "must" ones, but any that an implementor should be aware of and may want to implement. But it would be useful if this document was a general catalog of all the important IPv6 RFCs an implementor would want to be aware of. So, I don't think it needs to include *all* IPv6 RFCs, but there is little harm in listing them just for completeness. But I would like to see a fair amount of context/motivation for we recommend as a SHOULD or MUST. > > 2. an applicability statement as you suggest (informational or > > standards track) > The question I have with this approach is whether it will help stack > developers, especially those who develop a single IPv6 stack that gets > used in a variety of deployment scenarios (i.e., servers, clients, > caches, ...). It needs to help implementors. One problem with just having a "SHOULD implement" is that it doesn't include much context about what type of environments an RFC is useful in. Consider RFC 4294, section 7, on Mobile IP: > 7. Mobile IP > > The Mobile IPv6 [RFC-3775] specification defines requirements for the > following types of nodes: > > - mobile nodes > > - correspondent nodes with support for route optimization > > - home agents > > - all IPv6 routers > > Hosts MAY support mobile node functionality described in Section 8.5 > of [RFC-3775], including support of generic packet tunneling [RFC- > 2473] and secure home agent communications [RFC-3776]. > > Hosts SHOULD support route optimization requirements for > correspondent nodes described in Section 8.2 of [RFC-3775]. > > Routers SHOULD support the generic mobility-related requirements for > all IPv6 routers described in Section 8.3 of [RFC-3775]. Routers MAY > support the home agent functionality described in Section 8.4 of > [RFC-3775], including support of [RFC-2473] and [RFC-3776]. There is very little useful explanation above. And, IMO, the SHOULD recommendation to implement Route Optimization was (and probably still is) premature. But others looking just at the profile do not see anything to suggest that Route Optimization is something that isn't critical for general IPv6 nodes. > > 3. a normative definition of the IPv6 node requirements (standards > > track, inclusion by reference of current IPv6 standards with RFC 2119 > > language) > This type of document was discussed when the first Node Reqs draft was > written. I *believe* that the consensus at the time was that such an > approach was infeasible for any number of reasons. I'm not terribly thrilled with using 2119 language to show requirements. The market has already kind of decided (to a large extent) what it thinks is crucial to implement. Also, we would end up targetting a mythical "typical" node, of which only 80% of the devices really fit that model. The end result could easily be that some devices won't adhere to some MUSTs anyway, because they have special requirements. Think of what effect mandating (say) IKEv2 on all nodes would achieve. > I want to see a document that is the most useful to the community, > regardless of whether it takes more work or not. I agree! And FWIW, I'm willing to put some cycles into such a document, whether reviewing or providing text. My interest here comes largely from having watched the development of a couple of external IPv6 profiles, and I think the current node requirements document is much less useful than it could/should be. And, the node requirements is the way the IETF is stating what it thinks are the key IPv6 RFCs. Thomas -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 9 12:57:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9F93A69F5; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:57:30 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67BE23A69F5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:57:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MSb+-C6k5A+z for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B919C3A6889 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so113690rvf.49 for ; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=31NIsZqYYsADVYW5Ui13gzmQeA9OYfNOLm4AxY4mRsY=; b=vewF6azeRvEEaSz9jeD1HNfO/IY3/tvMH+h9Ybhh3Whswi5HjuO8NTRBhr2PO9LP5T Azy1o3fhQheHsEure6LRuT2tK3Z0UPP3/XniqzEq3zflVBK4YGiQ2NvbZhjlUx615Cs9 N3705jcrGVzMxZ8TjG9yguUEZTfnMJjFHA4RM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cgz4HRLG5ULvgLeAjqM7xmmLCe1jdFdUzMHzyS44HIBRHF+49iGYGGzvwwb+lMYDWR Qt4P9TIXQnXKustWZwI8L/eifO1cPrGR9+VF5/wEEa1vlVXXsgmUo0Nd7I4hMzG+d1MI sNjAwlQIewex7BYhL9UB3sfjjyLHK69z6el6s= Received: by 10.140.225.19 with SMTP id x19mr258615rvg.121.1228856241520; Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm938519rvb.1.2008.12.09.12.57.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:57:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <493EDBAE.5010106@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:57:18 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten Subject: Re: IPv6 Node Requirements: scope and principles References: <200812032020.mB3KKpaB003782@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4936F5E9.7000603@sri.com> <493ECCBB.8040202@innovationslab.net> <200812092022.mB9KM2II005057@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <200812092022.mB9KM2II005057@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> Cc: Brian Haberman , ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thomas, > And, the node requirements is the way the IETF is stating what it > thinks are the key IPv6 RFCs. Exactly, and that can be done without MUSTs and SHOULDs. On the other hand, even without the normative keywords, we have to remember that procurement agencies do make up lists of MUSTs. So we have to use language that is precise but expresses common sense, to avoid pointless procurement requirements. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From krisskringlesanta@advantech-uk.com Tue Dec 9 14:43:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2049F28C14A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:43:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.157 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.157 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=0.5, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_E8_51_100=1.5, RAZOR2_CHECK=0.5, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_SC_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-BG9F1wImv3 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from advent.com (unknown [80.248.70.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A28628C132 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: RE: Message From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081209224250.5A28628C132@core3.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) Having trouble viewing this email? 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Tue Dec 9 23:01:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395703A6A73; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:01:04 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834233A6A67 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:01:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QFRLQRtSXPtf for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (eunet-gw.ipv6.netcore.fi [IPv6:2001:670:86:3001::1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1003A6883 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcore.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBA70lbN013904; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:00:47 +0200 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) with ESMTP id mBA70iIb013901; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:00:45 +0200 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 09:00:43 +0200 (EET) From: Pekka Savola To: Brian Haberman Subject: Re: IPv6 Node Requirements: scope and principles In-Reply-To: <493ECCBB.8040202@innovationslab.net> Message-ID: References: <200812032020.mB3KKpaB003782@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> <4936F5E9.7000603@sri.com> <493ECCBB.8040202@innovationslab.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LRH 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on otso.netcore.fi X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Thomas Narten , ipv6@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Brian Haberman wrote: > Ed Jankiewicz wrote: >> Speaking as an individual, but drawing on my experience as a contributor >> to one of the profile specifications you mention, it seems this draft >> could be one of the following: >> >> 1. a roadmap/reading list for IPv6 implementors and evaluators (thus >> informational, and without any RFC 2119 language) > > Would this type of document be a single laundry list of IPv6-related specs or > would it try and narrow down the suggested reading list based on some > classification (e.g., router, host, etc.)? While TCP roadmap (RFC4614) title is worded as a "roadmap", it's in some respects closer to an applicability statement. That is, rather than just listing the specs, it classifies them to "Basic Functionality", "Recommended Enhancements", "Experimental Extensions", "Historic Extensions", "Support Documents", "Undocumented TCP Features". In a summary of each RFC, there are also statements which reflect outdated parts of the spec. I grant it that IPv6 and TCP are a bit different. TCP has a clearer "minimum implementation requirement" which is the same for all kinds of deployments. It's not obvious what that would be for an IPv6 implementation. I don't think the IETF is best placed to develop different IPv6 implementation profiles for different usage scenarios. It seems to be the job of the market, ipv6 forum and organizaitons like that to do that. We could help in that process, and I'd hope we'd get feedback on the viability of our specs in that regard, but trying to write RFCs would likely be difficult. So I think we would be best served by a TCP-roadmap like document, which we could call either a roadmap or applicability statement. It should not have any RFC2119 keywords. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 12 18:18:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F183A68A4; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:18:24 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B733A68A4; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:18:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eMHfUFkhgjb4; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A6B3A67A8; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBD2IEC0005815; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:15 -0500 Received: from imcfe2.MITRE.ORG (imcfe2.mitre.org [129.83.29.4]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBD2IEPA005800; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:14 -0500 Received: from IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.20.57]) by imcfe2.MITRE.ORG with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:13 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to Proposed Standard Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:18:11 -0500 Message-ID: <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161872E@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <20081212175407.328433A6B08@core3.amsl.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to Proposed Standard Thread-Index: AclcgueRjuw4S/YVQGKiI5Lt1k7O7wARXxeQ References: <20081212175407.328433A6B08@core3.amsl.com> From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "The IESG" , "IETF-Announce" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2008 02:18:13.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D5EFA80:01C95CC9] Cc: 6man chair <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man mailing list , Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov, Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Colleagues, I have a question about the following language in section 2.0: "For all unicast addresses, except those that start with the binary value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long and to be constructed in Modified EUI-64 format. " Although I do not see a MUST in this sentence, it appears that the proposed standard is mandating that all interface IDs be 64-bits long. This is not a requirement in several RFCs listed below. As a result, I believe that this requirement should be stricken from the document. RFC 2460, 5095 RFC 2463, 4443, 4884 RFC 2461, 3971, 4861 RFC 2462, 4862, 4941 RFC 3315, 3633, 3736, 4361 RFC 1981 RFC 2526, 3879, 4007, 4291 RFC 2671, 3596, 3986 RFC 3493, 3542, 3678, 4584, 5014 RFC 2740, 4552 RFC 1772, 2545, 4271, 4760 RFC 3948, 4301, 4302, 4303, 4308, 4809 RFC 4306, 4307, 4945 RFC 4213 RFC 2573, 2784, 4891 RFC 4798 RFC 3411, 3412, 3413, 3414 RFC 3289, 4022, 4087, 4113, 4292, 4293, 4295, 4807 RFC 3810, 4604 RFC 4601, 4609 RFC 2474, 2475, 2597, 2983, 3086, 3140, 3168, 3246, 3247, 3260, 3494 RFC 5072 Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of The IESG Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:54 PM To: IETF-Announce Cc: 6man chair; Internet Architecture Board; 6man mailing list; RFC Editor Subject: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to Proposed Standard = The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers ' as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group. = The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and Mark Townsley. A URL of this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6man-reserved-iids-03.tx t Technical Summary Interface Identifiers in IPv6 unicast addresses are used to identify interfaces on a link. They are required to be unique within a subnet. Several RFCs have specified interface identifiers or identifier ranges that have a special meaning attached to them. An IPv6 node autoconfiguring an interface identifier in these ranges will encounter unexpected consequences. Since there is no centralized repository for such reserved identifiers, this document aims to create one. Working Group Summary The 6MAN working group has done extensive reviews of this = document and it reflects the consensus of the working group. Document Quality This document has been reviewed by numerous members of the ipv6@ietf.org mailing list and by the 6MAN WG chairs. = Personnel Brian Haberman is the Document Shepherd, and Jari Arkko is the responsible Area Director. RFC Editor Note Make this change in Appendix A: OLD: The following RFCs that generate interface identifiers need to be updated if they wish to avoid conflicts with the reserved interface identifier ranges. NEW: Implementations of the following RFCs need to be aware of the = reserved interface identifier ranges when they allocate new addresses. Future revisions of these RFCs should ensure that this is either already sufficiently clear or that the text is amended to take this into account. -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fri Dec 12 18:43:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636CD3A6B05; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:43:11 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D303A6B24 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:43:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xzwXpJBZU8gz for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.239]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6B63A6A2A for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so2031850rvb.5 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:43:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iBdjU1+tZO1UaWcORaaKlMcdxcOH/8nxn8W3kGTYWmY=; b=fsltZDXLu3Brl3LDassWQZo5ov4aWgv4rFpjPbjFqLGpPYMRuzOMYjcum9ICgFppd0 vQUOu8aCDuC5+smmoVXXFXBHw/d9NMjryBmzdyYR/m5Xzcvd8nDmOK2RC5bDLFdGU6Do ZD9m1IKhSSdqDSz/4ySjF9JLPBDTbQOH7sqrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=RIEVTVh1L/EGh1W8aHWsyPgEUjeWifUV4G5BWHOYQoXzYeud4xZ3BLuXiVjNzL7DRv 8jdPZ69fYadh+1jsb5SE836k4nFHx9zVISzeSfJ8P9V1gEKu8JHOyVyj1F0h6y16rqVr DPeJIZTro16NodWC2oZj+aa4tDEQDxTGTWOl4= Received: by 10.141.66.14 with SMTP id t14mr2263361rvk.15.1229136183030; Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? (118-92-200-200.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz [118.92.200.200]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm10486540rvf.3.2008.12.12.18.42.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:43:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4943212E.6020300@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:42:54 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Subject: Re: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to Proposed Standard References: <20081212175407.328433A6B08@core3.amsl.com> <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161872E@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161872E@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> Cc: Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov, Internet Architecture Board , 6man mailing list , IESG , RFC Editor X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Jeffrey, On 2008-12-13 15:18, Dunn, Jeffrey H. wrote: > Colleagues, > > I have a question about the following language in section 2.0: > > "For all unicast addresses, except those that start with the binary > value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long and to be > constructed in Modified EUI-64 format. " This exact text is also present in RFC4291 section 2.5.1. As far as I know, this has been part of the IPv6 address architecture since 1998 (RFC2373). > Although I do not see a MUST in this sentence, it appears that the > proposed standard is mandating that all interface IDs be 64-bits long. > This is not a requirement in several RFCs listed below. As a result, I > believe that this requirement should be stricken from the document. That would be a no-op, since it's already required by RFC4291. Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Sat Dec 13 11:24:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EFA3A69A8; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:36 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE853A68AE; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.468 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.468 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.131, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s5BWVfzo9Zxl; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3AF3A677E; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 11:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.piuha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB69198704; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:24:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by smtp.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AEC1986EF; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:24:25 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <49440BCD.50405@piuha.net> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:23:57 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter Subject: Re: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to Proposed Standard References: <20081212175407.328433A6B08@core3.amsl.com> <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161872E@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> <4943212E.6020300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4943212E.6020300@gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: 6man mailing list , Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov, Internet Architecture Board , IESG , RFC Editor X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Brian, Jeffrey, The picture and text that you quoted are in this RFC exactly as they are in RFC 4291. We did get some feedback on that text during the last call, but we decided that it would be confusing for this particular RFC to say something else than RFC 4291. RFC 4291 is, after all, the currently approved addressing architecture document. If we ever decide to make a change in the addressing architecture, we should issue an RFC 4291bis, not change the text in the various other RFCs that quote 4291 for some reason. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Dunn, Jeffrey H. [mailto:jdunn@mitre.org] >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:18 PM >To: The IESG; IETF-Announce >Cc: 6man chair; 6man mailing list; Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov; Internet Architecture Board; RFC >Editor >Subject: RE: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' toProposed Standard > >Colleagues, > >I have a question about the following language in section 2.0: > >"For all unicast addresses, except those that start with the binary >value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long and to be >constructed in Modified EUI-64 format. " > >Although I do not see a MUST in this sentence, it appears that the >proposed standard is mandating that all interface IDs be 64-bits long. >This is not a requirement in several RFCs listed below. As a result, I >believe that this requirement should be stricken from the document. I respectfully disagree. Without a well-known 64-bit ID requirement, there would be no way to prepare a prepare a well-formed subnet router anycast address, for example. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com >RFC 2460, 5095 >RFC 2463, 4443, 4884 >RFC 2461, 3971, 4861 >RFC 2462, 4862, 4941 >RFC 3315, 3633, 3736, 4361 >RFC 1981 >RFC 2526, 3879, 4007, 4291 >RFC 2671, 3596, 3986 >RFC 3493, 3542, 3678, 4584, 5014 >RFC 2740, 4552 >RFC 1772, 2545, 4271, 4760 >RFC 3948, 4301, 4302, 4303, 4308, 4809 >RFC 4306, 4307, 4945 >RFC 4213 >RFC 2573, 2784, 4891 >RFC 4798 >RFC 3411, 3412, 3413, 3414 >RFC 3289, 4022, 4087, 4113, 4292, 4293, 4295, 4807 >RFC 3810, 4604 >RFC 4601, 4609 >RFC 2474, 2475, 2597, 2983, 3086, 3140, 3168, 3246, 3247, 3260, 3494 >RFC 5072 > >Best Regards, > >Jeffrey Dunn >Info Systems Eng., Lead >MITRE Corporation. >(301) 448-6965 (mobile) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >The IESG >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:54 PM >To: IETF-Announce >Cc: 6man chair; Internet Architecture Board; 6man mailing list; RFC >Editor >Subject: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to >Proposed Standard > >The IESG has approved the following document: > >- 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers ' > as a Proposed Standard > >This document is the product of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group. > >The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and Mark Townsley. > >A URL of this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6man-reserved-iids-03.tx >t > >Technical Summary > > Interface Identifiers in IPv6 unicast addresses are used > to identify interfaces on a link. They are required to be > unique within a subnet. Several RFCs have specified > interface identifiers or identifier ranges that have a > special meaning attached to them. An IPv6 node > autoconfiguring an interface identifier in these ranges > will encounter unexpected consequences. Since there is no > centralized repository for such reserved identifiers, this > document aims to create one. > >Working Group Summary > > The 6MAN working group has done extensive reviews of this > document and it reflects the consensus of the working group. > >Document Quality > > This document has been reviewed by numerous members of the > ipv6@ietf.org mailing list and by the 6MAN WG chairs. > >Personnel > > Brian Haberman is the Document Shepherd, and Jari Arkko is > the responsible Area Director. > >RFC Editor Note > > Make this change in Appendix A: > > OLD: > The following RFCs that generate interface identifiers need to be > updated if they wish to avoid conflicts with the reserved interface > identifier ranges. > NEW: > Implementations of the following RFCs need to be aware of the > reserved interface identifier ranges when they allocate new > addresses. Future revisions of these RFCs should ensure that > this is either already sufficiently clear or that the text > is amended to take this into account. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >ipv6@ietf.org >Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >ipv6@ietf.org >Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 15 07:43:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C453A689D; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:43:32 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618B228C0EB; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:43:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VAOg1dcsx6PA; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (smtp-bedford.mitre.org [129.83.20.191]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3003A679C; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-bedford.mitre.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFFh7Ga028821; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:43:22 -0500 Received: from IMCFE1.MITRE.ORG (imcfe1.mitre.org [129.83.29.3]) by smtp-bedford.mitre.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFFcRlD012612; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:38:27 -0500 Received: from IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG ([129.83.20.57]) by IMCFE1.MITRE.ORG with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:38:27 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' toProposed Standard Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161874D@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> In-Reply-To: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1055646AD@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' toProposed Standard Thread-Index: AclcgueRjuw4S/YVQGKiI5Lt1k7O7wARXxeQAH86xiAAAWv5AA== References: <20081212175407.328433A6B08@core3.amsl.com> <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161872E@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1055646AD@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." To: "Templin, Fred L" , "The IESG" , "IETF-Announce" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Dec 2008 15:38:27.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C579880:01C95ECB] Cc: 6man chair <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, 6man mailing list , Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov, Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Fred, I am not suggesting that the requirement that a device support 64-bit prefixes be relaxed. I am suggesting that the requirement that prefixes only be 64-bit be relaxed. Best Regards, = =A0 = Jeffrey Dunn = Info Systems Eng., Lead = MITRE Corporation. (301) 448-6965 (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com] = Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:02 AM To: Dunn, Jeffrey H.; The IESG; IETF-Announce Cc: 6man chair; 6man mailing list; Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov; Internet Architecture Board; RFC Editor Subject: RE: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' toProposed Standard = >-----Original Message----- >From: Dunn, Jeffrey H. [mailto:jdunn@mitre.org] >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:18 PM >To: The IESG; IETF-Announce >Cc: 6man chair; 6man mailing list; Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov; Internet Architecture Board; RFC >Editor >Subject: RE: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' toProposed Standard > >Colleagues, > >I have a question about the following language in section 2.0: > >"For all unicast addresses, except those that start with the binary >value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long and to be >constructed in Modified EUI-64 format. " > >Although I do not see a MUST in this sentence, it appears that the >proposed standard is mandating that all interface IDs be 64-bits long. >This is not a requirement in several RFCs listed below. As a result, I >believe that this requirement should be stricken from the document. I respectfully disagree. Without a well-known 64-bit ID requirement, there would be no way to prepare a prepare a well-formed subnet router anycast address, for example. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com >RFC 2460, 5095 >RFC 2463, 4443, 4884 >RFC 2461, 3971, 4861 >RFC 2462, 4862, 4941 >RFC 3315, 3633, 3736, 4361 >RFC 1981 >RFC 2526, 3879, 4007, 4291 >RFC 2671, 3596, 3986 >RFC 3493, 3542, 3678, 4584, 5014 >RFC 2740, 4552 >RFC 1772, 2545, 4271, 4760 >RFC 3948, 4301, 4302, 4303, 4308, 4809 >RFC 4306, 4307, 4945 >RFC 4213 >RFC 2573, 2784, 4891 >RFC 4798 >RFC 3411, 3412, 3413, 3414 >RFC 3289, 4022, 4087, 4113, 4292, 4293, 4295, 4807 >RFC 3810, 4604 >RFC 4601, 4609 >RFC 2474, 2475, 2597, 2983, 3086, 3140, 3168, 3246, 3247, 3260, 3494 >RFC 5072 > >Best Regards, > >Jeffrey Dunn >Info Systems Eng., Lead >MITRE Corporation. >(301) 448-6965 (mobile) > >-----Original Message----- >From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of >The IESG >Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:54 PM >To: IETF-Announce >Cc: 6man chair; Internet Architecture Board; 6man mailing list; RFC >Editor >Subject: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' to >Proposed Standard > >The IESG has approved the following document: > >- 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers ' > as a Proposed Standard > >This document is the product of the IPv6 Maintenance Working Group. > >The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and Mark Townsley. > >A URL of this Internet-Draft is: >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-6man-reserved-iids-03.t x >t > >Technical Summary > > Interface Identifiers in IPv6 unicast addresses are used > to identify interfaces on a link. They are required to be > unique within a subnet. Several RFCs have specified > interface identifiers or identifier ranges that have a > special meaning attached to them. An IPv6 node > autoconfiguring an interface identifier in these ranges > will encounter unexpected consequences. Since there is no > centralized repository for such reserved identifiers, this > document aims to create one. > >Working Group Summary > > The 6MAN working group has done extensive reviews of this > document and it reflects the consensus of the working group. > >Document Quality > > This document has been reviewed by numerous members of the > ipv6@ietf.org mailing list and by the 6MAN WG chairs. > >Personnel > > Brian Haberman is the Document Shepherd, and Jari Arkko is > the responsible Area Director. > >RFC Editor Note > > Make this change in Appendix A: > > OLD: > The following RFCs that generate interface identifiers need to be > updated if they wish to avoid conflicts with the reserved interface > identifier ranges. > NEW: > Implementations of the following RFCs need to be aware of the > reserved interface identifier ranges when they allocate new > addresses. Future revisions of these RFCs should ensure that > this is either already sufficiently clear or that the text > is amended to take this into account. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >ipv6@ietf.org >Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >ipv6@ietf.org >Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Mon Dec 15 12:23:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DC728C15E; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F47B28C15B for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:23:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.579, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id brVRp+730HOc for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com (e6.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB1228C14E for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mBFKNRQY003489 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:23:27 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v9.1) with ESMTP id mBFKNkBw168030 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:23:46 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id mBFLNu1v014548 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:56 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-211-184.mts.ibm.com [9.65.211.184]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mBFLNsI8014394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:23:55 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.2/8.12.5) with ESMTP id mBFKNgTI026371; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:23:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200812152023.mBFKNgTI026371@cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com> To: "Dunn, Jeffrey H." Subject: Re: Protocol Action: 'Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifiers' toProposed Standard In-reply-to: <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161874D@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> References: <20081212175407.328433A6B08@core3.amsl.com> <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161872E@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1055646AD@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <0AC4B700F00DBB4C94F95727E09914140161874D@IMCSRV7.MITRE.ORG> Comments: In-reply-to "Dunn, Jeffrey H." message dated "Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:38:26 -0500." Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:23:42 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Cc: 6man chair <6man-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, "Templin, Fred L" , Internet Architecture Board , 6man mailing list , Steve_Eiserman@ao.uscourts.gov X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [trimming the cc's a bit...] > I am not suggesting that the requirement that a device support > 64-bit prefixes be relaxed. I am suggesting that the requirement > that prefixes only be 64-bit be relaxed. Whether we like it or not, the 64 bit IID requirement is fairly deeply ingrained within IPv6. It is not easy to change that requirement in a meaningful way without impacting a number of basic documents (and implementations). For example, all the IPv6 over Foo documents make this assumption... Saying an IPv6 prefix could be something other that a 64 turns out to make little sense, if the IID is 64 bits. The sum of the IID and the prefix simply has to add up to 128 bits. Relaxing that restriction is much harder and would require implementations to change. Stateless address autoconfiguration requires this today. One has to go back and understand the history that led to 64-bit IIDs to understand why we are where we are today. Knowing what we know today, and given the option of a clean slide redesign, we'd surely do it differently. :-) But given where we are today, given the pain/cost/hassle of changing the specifications (and implementations), it is my opinion that the benefits of doing so simply don't justify the effort. We have more urgent places to invest our resources. > >"For all unicast addresses, except those that start with the binary > >value 000, Interface IDs are required to be 64 bits long and to be > >constructed in Modified EUI-64 format. " All addresses would have been required to support 64 IIDs, but at the time the change was made to switch from 48-bit IIDs to 64-bit ones, some of the "funny" address formats were incompatable with a 64-bit IID. For example, look at RFC 1888 & 4048. 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The minutes for the 6man session at IETF73 are = available at:

  http://tools.ie= tf.org/wg/6man/minutes

Many = thanks to Karen O'Donoghue and Ed Jankiewicz for preparing the = minutes.

Please = review and send comments to the chairs.
Bob & Brian

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(118-93-23-228.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz [118.93.23.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 28sm27155652wfd.34.2008.12.23.19.37.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:37:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4951AE92.8070102@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:37:54 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bob.hinden@nokia.com Subject: Re: IETF73 6man Minutes References: <71B4F418-3751-45E3-8564-32B6B56F13E3@nokia.com> <34A7E9A0-CF26-4A7E-89BE-E5166A35A6FC@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <34A7E9A0-CF26-4A7E-89BE-E5166A35A6FC@nokia.com> Cc: IPv6 WG Mailing List X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Thanks for these excellent minutes. A good summary in connected sentences is much more useful that the partial transcripts that many WGs produce. Brian On 2008-12-24 08:59, Bob Hinden wrote: > The URL that goes directly to the IETF73 6man minutes is: > > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/6man/minutes?item=minutes73.html > > Bob > > > On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:30 AM, ext Bob Hinden wrote: > >> The minutes for the 6man session at IETF73 are available at: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/wg/6man/minutes >> >> Many thanks to Karen O'Donoghue and Ed Jankiewicz for preparing the >> minutes. >> >> Please review and send comments to the chairs. >> >> Bob & Brian >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> ipv6@ietf.org >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jolly0811tipr@af7.mopera.ne.jp Wed Dec 24 07:31:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BF63A67C0 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:31:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.66 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_99=3.5, FH_HELO_EQ_D_D_D_D=1.597, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, FM_DDDD_TIMES_2=1.999, HELO_DYNAMIC_IPADDR2=4.395, HELO_EQ_AT=0.424, HELO_EQ_DSL=1.129, HELO_EQ_DYNAMIC=1.144, HOST_EQ_AT=0.745, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_04=2.041, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_SHORT_LINK_IMG_1=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.457, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RCVD_IN_XBL=3.033, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SARE_HTML_A_BODY=0.742, SARE_HTML_IMG_ONLY=1.666, TVD_RCVD_IP=1.931, URIBL_AB_SURBL=10, URIBL_BLACK=20, URIBL_JP_SURBL=10, URIBL_OB_SURBL=10, URIBL_WS_SURBL=10, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jDcrKOHGQzKR for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ip213-32-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (ip213-32-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl [87.209.32.213]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 55A523A6941 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:31:23 -0800 (PST) To: Subject: Lost my number? ) From: MIME-Version: 1.0 Importance: High Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: <20081224153124.55A523A6941@core3.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:31:23 -0800 (PST) Having trouble viewing this email? 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From ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Wed Dec 31 17:43:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ipngwg-archive@lists.ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-ipngwg-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10233A67F8; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:43:27 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ipv6@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A643A6818 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:43:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XBqOeRXUeFx4 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E213A67F8 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n011hBRA001012 for ; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:43:12 -0600 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:43:11 +0200 Received: from vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.69]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:43:11 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 03:43:10 +0200 Message-ID: <808F2ECE7425024994976AC3D44BDCF4C8B8C4@vaebe108.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DAD failure for global IPv6 addresses? thread-index: Aclrsk2d15kwmQ7MSISbw/7KOnD4Qw== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jan 2009 01:43:11.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DF8C6F0:01C96BB2] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0031989817==" Sender: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0031989817== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C96BB2.4DB82568" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96BB2.4DB82568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, =20 I have a question about what the correct behaviour should be for a = router if a global address fails DAD. =20 Specifically, if an interface has a link-local address which passes DAD, = but also has a global address configured which is not based on the = hardware address, and which fails DAD, what packets should be allowed = in/out of the interface? =20 Should the system behave exactly as though the global address was = absent? That is, should the router forward packets to or from the failed = address/network based on whatever routes exist in the forwarding table? =20 Or should all packets to/from the failed address/network be checked for = and dropped? =20 Any clarification would be much appreciated. =20 Peter Hunt Kernel Engineer Nokia ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96BB2.4DB82568 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
All,
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I have a question about what = the correct behaviour should be for a router if a global address fails = DAD.
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Specifically, if an interface = has a link-local address which passes DAD, but also has a global = address configured which is not based on the hardware address, and which = fails DAD, what packets should be allowed in/out of the = interface?
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Should the system behave = exactly as though the global address was absent? That is, should the = router forward packets to or from the failed address/network based on = whatever routes exist in the forwarding table?
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Or should all packets = to/from the failed address/network be checked for and = dropped?
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Any clarification would be much = appreciated.
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Peter Hunt
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Kernel Engineer
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Nokia
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