From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sat Nov 2 06:37:33 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02624 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA2BdTX25469 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:39:29 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2BdTv25466 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:39:29 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02615 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:37:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2BcTv25419; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:38:30 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2BbQv25388 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:37:26 -0500 Received: from computer (adsl-64-169-241-215.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [64.169.241.215]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id GAA02573 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:34:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211021134.GAA02573@ietf.org> From: "Julie" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="= Multipart Boundary 1102020336" Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:36:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Julie" Subject: [IMRG] Industrial HVLP System - Save $ 150.00 This Week Only Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multipart MIME message. --= Multipart Boundary 1102020336 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="= Multipart Boundary _EXTRA_1102020336" --= Multipart Boundary _EXTRA_1102020336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Introductory Special - Save $ 150 This Week Only Industrial Strength Turbine Powered HVLP Finishing System Perfect for both professionals and hobbyists Cabinet Shops - Furniture Makers - Automotive Finishers Machine Shops - Fabricators - Painters MiniPro Model 1135 Three Stage Turbine Air Output: 110 CFM@ 6 PSI Supplied complete with 3 stage, 5" diameter, single speed turbine, cup-fed HVLP gun, and 25' Quick Disconnect air hose with shut off valve. Model 1135 has a duty rate of 6 hours per day and is ideal for spraying water-based or oil-based lacquer, stain, dye, latex, enamel, acrylic, multi-color paint, or any other low to medium viscosity coating. Factory List Price is $ 675.00 This week only $ 525.00 Order Now - Before Our Stock Runs Out Click Here To Order Want to Know More About HVLP Finishing - Click Here RiteBuy Tools at RiteBuyBiz www.RiteBuy.Biz To be be kept informed of other great deals on tools and receive our weekly Sales Alert on Factory Closeouts and Used Tools -Just Click Here To have your name taken off of our Tools Mail List, Just Click Here --= Multipart Boundary _EXTRA_1102020336 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Introductory Special - Save $ 150

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Industrial Strength

Turbine Powered HVLP Finishing System
Perfect for both professionals and hobbyists
Cabinet Shops - Furniture Makers - Automotive Finishers
Machine Shops - Fabricators - Painters

MiniPro Model 1135
Three Stage Turbine
Air Output: 110 CFM@ 6 PSI

Supplied complete with 3 stage, 5" diameter, single speed turbine, cup-fed HVLP gun, and 25' Quick Disconnect air hose with shut off valve. Model 1135 has a duty rate of 6 hours per day and is ideal for spraying water-based or oil-based lacquer, stain, dye, latex, enamel, acrylic, multi-color paint, or any other low to medium viscosity coating.

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from lawyers (mallman@localhost) by lawyers.ir.bbn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23287 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:25:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200211042025.PAA23287@lawyers.ir.bbn.com> To: imrg@ietf.org From: Mark Allman Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Black Hole Sun Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:25:20 -0500 Subject: [IMRG] IETF meeting in Atlanta Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Folks- While there has been a bunch of good and useful discussion on the list thus far I want to try to formulate a few near-term directions and work items for the group. So, ... * I encourage folks to throw ideas (and cycles) onto the list for discussion. (I'd be happy to iterate offline, too, if you'd perfer.) * Also, I'll be at the upcoming IETF meeting in Atlanta. If anyone would like to sit down and chat a little about what they'd like to see the group do, or about some piece of work you're working on that would be useful to work on through the IMRG I'd certainly be game. Just drop me a note and we can work out a convenient time. I arrive sometime Monday (not exactly sure when) and leave on Friday. Thanks! allman -- Mark Allman -- NASA GRC/BBN -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/ _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 8 02:12:09 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA08747 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA87EJL32074 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:14:19 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA87EJv32071 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:14:19 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA08740 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:11:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA87Ddv32008; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:13:39 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA87AJv30857 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:10:19 -0500 Received: from postal.sdsc.edu (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA08636 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 02:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from multivac.sdsc.edu (IDENT:yT6bJEM5VULZxDB+hscbAGSTgqxIwy6r@multivac.sdsc.edu [132.249.20.57]) by postal.sdsc.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/server/49) with ESMTP id gA87A6621188 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by multivac (8.11.6+Sun/1.11-SolarisClient) with ESMTP id gA87A4b27628; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:10:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:09:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Maureen C. Curran" Reply-To: "Maureen C. Curran" To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [IMRG] CFP: PAM2003 Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , *************** Call for Papers: PAM2003 **************** PAM2003 - A workshop on Passive and Active Measurements La Jolla, California, April 6-8, 2003 Hosted by NLANR Measurement and Network Analysis Group ********************************************************* As the Internet has grown over the last decade, the need for precise measurement of the network and its traffic load have become steadily more apparent. Most of today's Internet Service Providers and many of their large network customers are collecting and analyzing measurement data for the purposes of performance monitoring, network engineering, and cost recovery, but the engineering quality of these measurements vary. A steadily growing number of research groups have been working in the areas of: * Active Measurements - sending test packets and observing their progress through the Internet, * Passive Measurements - observing actual traffic on 'live' networks, * Performance Metrics - developing measures or indicators which can be used to characterize traffic behavior, * Traffic Statistics - attempting to understand and develop models of 'real' Internet traffic, and * Visualization - finding effective ways to display what is happening in a network. PAM2003 is a three-day event focusing on research and practical applications of passive and active measurement and analysis techniques. NLANR/MNA will be hosting this fourth PAM workshop April 6-8, 2003 in La Jolla, California, USA. This follows successful workshops in Hamilton, New Zealand (2000), Amsterdam, The Netherlands (2001), and Fort Collins, Colorado USA (2002). Papers are invited from the research, provider, and other communities on topics in the areas listed above, or any other area of network traffic measurement. Student participation is strongly encouraged. To support students who wish to participate, sponsorship funding has been offered by Endace Measurement Systems to offset some costs for students to attend and present. Further details will be available soon. Areas of interest include, but are not limited to: 1. 'Experience' papers, which describe practical uses of measurements, especially in large networks. 2. Papers on modelling network traffic, in particular if they are backed up by measurements of real traffic. 3. Papers describing network research that can be applied to existing networks. Instructions for Authors Extended abstracts (between 500 words and 5 pages, plain ASCII or pdf) must be submitted by email to pampapers@nlanr.net by December 1, 2002. Paper submissions must contain the following: * paper title, * full name(s) of the author(s), * organizational affiliation(s) and * one email address where the author(s) can be contacted. Abstracts will be reviewed and acceptance notified no later than January 3, 2003. Papers, maximum 15 printed pages, must be submitted electronically by February 10, 2003. Details of acceptable paper formats will be published on the Instructions for Authors portion of the conference Web site. There will be an opportunity for participants to present measurement equipment and software. Proposals for demonstrations (about 500 words, plain ASCII) should be sent by email to the conference chair at pampapers@nlanr.net by February 4, 2003. The program committee is investigating the possibility of organizing one or more tutorial sessions in conjunction with the conference. Proposals for tutorials (up to 5 pages, plain ASCII or pdf) should be sent by email to the conference chair by December 1, 2002. Conference Venue The workshop will be held at the San Diego Supercomputer Center on the University of California, San Diego campus, La Jolla, California, USA. The conference fee will be approximately US$200. The exact conference fee and details on registration will be published on the workshop's Web page late November. The conference fee will include a printed copy of the papers selected for presentation at the workshop. Papers selected for publication will also be published on the Web. The Doubletree Del Mar Hotel will be the PAM2003 Workshop Hotel. * Special reduced room rates will be offered for PAM2003. These special reduced room rates will also be offered before and after the workshop dates (April 6-8, 2003) so attendees can easily extend their stay in San Diego. * A PAM2003 Reception will be held at The Doubletree Del Mar Hotel on the evening of Sunday April 6th. * Shuttle service will be provided between The Doubletree Del Mar Hotel and PAM2003 at UCSD. Important Dates * December 1, 2002: Deadline for abstracts; Proposals for tutorials due * January 3, 2003: Notification of acceptance * February 10, 2003: Final papers due; Proposals for demonstrations for equipment and software due * April 6-8, 2003: Conference Contact Information ATTN: R. Ritke (PAM2003) NLANR/MNA, SDSC at UC San Diego 9500 Gilman Drive La Jolla, CA 92093-0505 U.S.A. tel +1-858-822-3648 fax +1-858-534-8380 paminfo@nlanr.net Web page: http://www.pam2003.org _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 8 03:05:10 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA09945 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gA887K103638 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:07:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA887Kv03629 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:07:20 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA09938 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA8869v03278; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:06:09 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA885jv03240 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:05:45 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA09916 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from fokus.fhg.de (dhcp153 [195.37.78.153]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA885Ul12696; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 09:05:30 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DCB7017.5010704@fokus.fhg.de> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 09:04:39 +0100 From: Tanja Zseby Organization: FhI FOKUS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov CC: imrg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [IMRG] IETF meeting in Atlanta References: <200211042025.PAA23287@lawyers.ir.bbn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mark, I work for the Fraunhofer institute for open Communication Systems (FOKUS) which is a German national research institute. We work in the area of measurements for quite some time, e.g. in meter development, control of distributed measurements, sampling, time synchronization, etc.. We are also active in IPFIX and PSAMP. I will be at the IETF in Atlanta and I would be very interested in a meeting. So please let me know when and where you plan to meet. Kind regards Tanja Mark Allman wrote: > >Folks- > >While there has been a bunch of good and useful discussion on the >list thus far I want to try to formulate a few near-term directions >and work items for the group. So, ... > > * I encourage folks to throw ideas (and cycles) onto the list for > discussion. (I'd be happy to iterate offline, too, if you'd > perfer.) > > * Also, I'll be at the upcoming IETF meeting in Atlanta. If > anyone would like to sit down and chat a little about what > they'd like to see the group do, or about some piece of work > you're working on that would be useful to work on through the > IMRG I'd certainly be game. Just drop me a note and we can work > out a convenient time. I arrive sometime Monday (not exactly > sure when) and leave on Friday. > >Thanks! > >allman > > >-- >Mark Allman -- NASA GRC/BBN -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/ > >_______________________________________________ >IMRG mailing list >IMRG@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg > > -- Dipl.-Ing. Tanja Zseby FhI FOKUS/Global Networking Email: zseby@fokus.fhg.de Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 Phone: +49-30-3463-7153 D-10589 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-3463-8153 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Living on earth is expensive but it includes a free trip around the sun." (Anonymous) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Sun Nov 10 09:13:46 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16788 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAAEFnh06629 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:15:49 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAAEFnv06626 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:15:49 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16730 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAAEEYv06599; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:14:34 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAAEDUv06562 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:13:30 -0500 Received: from birch.ripe.net (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16693 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cow.ripe.net (cow.ripe.net [193.0.1.239]) by birch.ripe.net (8.12.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAAEDPJc005152; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:13:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (henk@localhost) by cow.ripe.net (8.11.6/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gAAEDPP13750; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:13:25 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: cow.ripe.net: henk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:13:25 +0100 (CET) From: "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)" cc: mallman@grc.nasa.gov, Subject: Re: [IMRG] IETF meeting in Atlanta In-Reply-To: <3DCB7017.5010704@fokus.fhg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RIPE-Spam-Status: NONE ; -1003 Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Tanja Zseby wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I work for the Fraunhofer institute for open Communication Systems > (FOKUS) which is a German national research institute. We work in the > area of measurements for quite some time, e.g. in meter development, > control of distributed measurements, sampling, time synchronization, > etc.. We are also active in IPFIX and PSAMP. I will be at the IETF in > Atlanta and I would be very interested in a meeting. So please let me > know when and where you plan to meet. I'll be there too and agree that a lunch/dinner/... meeting with a short round to discuss who will be doing what, is a good idea. Henk > > Kind regards > Tanja > > > Mark Allman wrote: > > > > >Folks- > > > >While there has been a bunch of good and useful discussion on the > >list thus far I want to try to formulate a few near-term directions > >and work items for the group. So, ... > > > > * I encourage folks to throw ideas (and cycles) onto the list for > > discussion. (I'd be happy to iterate offline, too, if you'd > > perfer.) > > > > * Also, I'll be at the upcoming IETF meeting in Atlanta. If > > anyone would like to sit down and chat a little about what > > they'd like to see the group do, or about some piece of work > > you're working on that would be useful to work on through the > > IMRG I'd certainly be game. Just drop me a note and we can work > > out a convenient time. I arrive sometime Monday (not exactly > > sure when) and leave on Friday. > > > >Thanks! > > > >allman > > > > > >-- > >Mark Allman -- NASA GRC/BBN -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/ > > > >_______________________________________________ > >IMRG mailing list > >IMRG@ietf.org > >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg > > > > > > -- > Dipl.-Ing. Tanja Zseby > FhI FOKUS/Global Networking Email: zseby@fokus.fhg.de > Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 Phone: +49-30-3463-7153 > D-10589 Berlin, Germany Fax: +49-30-3463-8153 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Living on earth is expensive but it includes a free trip around the sun." (Anonymous) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > IMRG mailing list > IMRG@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal@ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ That problem that we weren't having yesterday, is it better? (Big ISP NOC) _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Nov 11 09:09:14 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA18583 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gABEBIE12610 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:11:18 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABEBIv12607 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:11:18 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA18576 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABEAMv12567; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:10:22 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gABE9Tv12529 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:09:29 -0500 Received: from seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA18560 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph3.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2735640A8 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from guns.lerc.nasa.gov (guns.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.87.35]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA GRC 8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gABE9Nwg026544; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from guns.lerc.nasa.gov (localhost.lerc.nasa.gov [127.0.0.1]) by guns.lerc.nasa.gov with ESMTP (NASA LeRC 8.7.4.1/2.01-local) id JAA62427; Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:09:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211111409.JAA62427@guns.lerc.nasa.gov> To: imrg@ietf.org From: Mark Allman Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov Cc: "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)" Subject: Re: [IMRG] IETF meeting in Atlanta In-Reply-To: Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Radio Gaga Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:09:23 -0500 Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > > I work for the Fraunhofer institute for open Communication > > Systems (FOKUS) which is a German national research > > institute. We work in the area of measurements for quite some > > time, e.g. in meter development, control of distributed > > measurements, sampling, time synchronization, etc.. We are also > > active in IPFIX and PSAMP. I will be at the IETF in Atlanta and > > I would be very interested in a meeting. So please let me know > > when and where you plan to meet. > > I'll be there too and agree that a lunch/dinner/... meeting with a > short round to discuss who will be doing what, is a good idea. Folks- Let me clarify a little. There will not be an official, large IMRG meeting in Atlanta. I will be around most of the week and would be thrilled to talk with people or small groups about specific things that we might work through the IMRG. If you have some thoughts on working some of your own work or starting a project under the auspices of IMRG then please drop me a note and we can arrange a time to chat. I am appending the bit from the charter on sample sorts of things the RG is chartered to think on, as a reminder. I look forward to many useful discussions next week. Thanks, allman --- The following represent examples of the types of projects that the RG might undertake: * Tackle outstanding issues dealing with measurement infrastructures (e.g., Surveyor, NIMI), such as: scalability of meshes, security of measurement tools in the mesh, access control, resource control, scheduling issues. * Tackle the often thorny issue of sharing measurement data within the community. The RG could define a systematic way for storing measurements and any needed meta-data that should be kept with the measurements. In addition, the RG could foster research into systems for remote requests for measurement, analysis, and anonymization, facilitating a formed of reduced access to data that cannot be directly released. * Provide a venue for assessing new measurement techniques, and a forum for sharing preliminary findings in rough form, to encourage further work and collaboration. * Provide a venue for developing models based on network measurements, helping to better understand network dynamics and aiding researchers attempting to conduct useful simulations of the network. * Foster communication between the research and operations communities. For example, operators could provide feedback to researchers as to what sorts of network properties/characteristics they would like to see measured, and how well current techniques work. * Catalog core problems that need to be addressed. Even if the RG is not actively working on these problems, having a "wish list" of outstanding problems may foster work in these areas. Coordination - the RG will provide: * A venue for exploring measurement techniques before they are ready to be standardized by the IETF (in IPPM, for instance). * A venue for discussing real world experience with IETF defined metrics and measurement techniques. * A "measurement arm" to various IETF working groups to gain a better understanding of how protocols work in the wild (e.g., which HTTP capabilities are being implemented or the performance of the global DNS system). _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Nov 13 10:15:07 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04329 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gADFHDx04491 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:17:13 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gADFHDv04488 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:17:13 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04322 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gADFGXv04450; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:16:33 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gADFFuv04351 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:15:56 -0500 Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA04227 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from fokus.fhg.de (dhcp184 [195.37.78.184]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gADFFnl16534; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:15:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3DD26CA1.8000205@fokus.fhg.de> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:15:45 +0100 From: Carsten Schmoll User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Allman , imrg@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060003080703080101090906" Subject: [IMRG] Status of SIMR-development in IMRG Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060003080703080101090906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Mark, I work for the Fraunhofer Institute for Open Communication Systems (FOKUS) which is a German national research institute. We have been working in the area of Internet measurements for quite some time. This relates to development of metering solutions, control of distributed measurements, data collection and evaluation. We are also active in IPFIX and PSAMP. I read the paper which describes the ideas and setup of the SIMR database ("A Scalable System for Sharing Internet Measurements" by Mark Allman, Ethan Blanton, Wesley M. Eddy) and I think it's worthwile bringing such a system into action. Attached you find my comments and ideas for the SIMR development. I'm not sure about the current status of the SIMR project/database? What are the next planned steps in this direction? How can I keep up to date and contribute? btw: My collegue Tanja Zseby will be at the IETF in Atlanta. She is planning to attend the (non-official) meeting that you proposed to have there. I'm looking forward to the results of your discussion in Atlanta. Kind regards Carsten. -- "The difference between theory and practice is that in theory theory and practice are the same but in practice they are not." Dipl.Ing. Carsten Schmoll Fraunhofer Institute FOKUS schmoll@fokus.fhg.de National Research Institute FhI FOKUS / Global Networking (Glone) for Open Communication Systems Tel: +49-30-3463-7136 Kaiserin-Augusta-Allee 31 Fax: +49-30-3463-8136 D-10589 Berlin, Germany --------------060003080703080101090906 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Allman_SIMR_Reply.txt" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Allman_SIMR_Reply.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comments related to the paper: "A Scalable System for Sharing Internet Measurements" by Mark Allman, Ethan Blanton, Wesley M. Eddy The paper contributes a number of novel approaches, and I like the new ideas it presents a lot. Especially good are the: * separation of meta-data databases and measurement traces * emphasis on consistency of the stored data by - having a basic set of required fields - making tool and trace data uniquely accessible - providing a way to check data consistency with MD5 sums * provision of search functionality (on meta-data) * extensibility via record-type specific additional meta-data I think, the presented ideas build a good stable basis for management and distribution of Internet measurement results. Additional ideas: There are some nice-to-have ideas that came up to my mind while reading the paper. I give a short summary next: * it would be nice to have some more meta-data describing the traffic traces such as: - lowest layer from which headers are included in a trace (e.g. MAC/IP/application) - number of captured packets - volume of captured traffic - average packet rate - link speed, i.e. interface type ((Fast)Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, ATM OC-xx, ISDN,...) - indication of time stamp accuracy in packet traces The possibility to restrict the search on interesting traces using these attributes would IMHO contribute a valuable addition. * regular status check for trace data + tool data (already mentioned in paper) plus a (user-visible) entry in the database showing the status+date+time of the last check * maybe some kind of mirroring for the most used trace data & tools or at least the possibility to provide one packet trace on different locations to have the possibility of load-balancing. Of course this is only an issue if downloads are a bottleneck. * it would be a quite nice feature to have automated virus checks on tools submitted to the database system (unfortunately these would surely not work on tools submitted as source code. For these a human virus checker works best ;) . --------------060003080703080101090906-- _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 15 07:17:25 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06255 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAFCJWr19435 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:19:32 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFCJWv19432 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:19:32 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06250 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFCIdv19402; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:18:39 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFCF5v19310 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:15:05 -0500 Received: from pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06166 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:12:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.ir.bbn.com ([64.53.209.203]) by pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFCAQU01215; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:10:26 -0600 Received: from thoth.ir.bbn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thoth.ir.bbn.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFCGLJg021202; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:16:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mallman@thoth.ir.bbn.com) Message-Id: <200211151216.gAFCGLJg021202@thoth.ir.bbn.com> To: Carsten Schmoll From: Mark Allman Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov cc: imrg@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3DD26CA1.8000205@fokus.fhg.de> Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Crazy Little Thing Called Love Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:16:21 -0500 Subject: [IMRG] Re: Status of SIMR-development in IMRG (administravive answer) Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > Attached you find my comments and ideas for the SIMR > development. I'm not sure about the current status of the SIMR > project/database? What are the next planned steps in this > direction? How can I keep up to date and contribute? From an IMRG perspective -- stay tuned. I think there will be quite a bit of informal discussion on this next week. If anyone has thoughts on the process of getting such a repository going, populating it, etc. please send them to the list (or, directly my way if you'd rather). I hope to be able to send a note with some solid RG next steps soon (in the area of measurement repositorys and other items). Thanks for your interest! allman -- Mark Allman -- BBN/NASA GRC -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/ _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 15 07:44:35 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06838 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAFCkgN20899 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:46:42 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFCkgv20896 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:46:42 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06819 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFCk2v20840; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:46:02 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFCb8v20331 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:37:08 -0500 Received: from pop-3.dnv.wideopenwest.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA06685 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.ir.bbn.com ([64.53.209.203]) by pop-3.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFChnt06639; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 06:43:49 -0600 Received: from thoth.ir.bbn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thoth.ir.bbn.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAFCcQJg021231; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:38:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mallman@thoth.ir.bbn.com) Message-Id: <200211151238.gAFCcQJg021231@thoth.ir.bbn.com> To: Carsten Schmoll From: Mark Allman Reply-To: mallman@grc.nasa.gov cc: imrg@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3DD26CA1.8000205@fokus.fhg.de> Organization: BBN Technologies/NASA GRC Song-of-the-Day: Crazy Little Thing Called Love Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 07:38:26 -0500 X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020919) (pop-3.dnv.wideopenwest.com) Subject: [IMRG] Re: Status of SIMR-development in IMRG Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , > * it would be nice to have some more meta-data describing the > traffic traces such as: > - lowest layer from which headers are included in a trace > (e.g. MAC/IP/application) Good point. > - number of captured packets > - volume of captured traffic > - average packet rate Still thinking on this. One of them things we tried to stay away from was populating the database with analyzed data. I would argue that the last piece above starts us on a slippery slope (if I include "average packet rate" should I think include "average packet size" or "average delay/RTT" or "number of TCP connections" or ...). The first two don't seem as problematic to me and I could go either way. I believe that we sketched a field for the duration (in seconds) of a trace. So, I'd be interested to know if folks would be more interested in a time measurement or a packet/volume count or whether both are needed. > - link speed, i.e. interface type ((Fast)Ethernet, Gigabit > Ethernet, ATM OC-xx, ISDN,...) Yep. > - indication of time stamp accuracy in packet traces Could be difficult to say, no? > * regular status check for trace data + tool data (already > mentioned in paper) plus a (user-visible) entry in the database > showing the status+date+time of the last check Um. Yeah. That might be handy, I suppose. The only problem I see here is that we envisioned that a seperate entity could conduct the probes to verify things. So, we'd need a way to communicate status to the database from that entity. The flip side is that anything in the database that is not flagged some way (i.e., "inactive/can't find anymore/whatever") may be able to be thought of as OK -- even if there is nothing that specifcally says it. Not sure where I'd fall on this one. > * maybe some kind of mirroring for the most used trace data & > tools or at least the possibility to provide one packet trace on > different locations to have the possibility of load-balancing. Of > course this is only an issue if downloads are a bottleneck. Ah, yes. So, the URL of a measurement could be a set of URLs. (Which would allow the repository to punt on the actual mirroring, but still support it. And, if one buys the SIMR notion of things the database really has nothing to do with data storage and was explicitly decoupled from data storage -- in which case it should not have any part in conducting mirroring.) > * it would be a quite nice feature to have automated virus checks > on tools submitted to the database system (unfortunately these > would surely not work on tools submitted as source code. For these > a human virus checker works best ;) . I would point you towards the "Security Considerations" section of our paper in which we discuss these issues. That section concluses as follows: However, in our opinion, while we may be able to somewhat mitigate the security problems associated with running other people's code, each researcher will have to remain vigilant when executing code that they did not write\footnote{And, in fact, some of us need to be careful when using code that we do write!}. Thanks for the comments! allman -- Mark Allman -- BBN/NASA GRC -- http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/ _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 15 10:21:46 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10270 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAFFNrK28692 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:23:53 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFFNrv28689 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:23:53 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10263 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFFILv28505; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:18:21 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFFFAv28425 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:15:10 -0500 Received: from byron.heanet.ie (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA10060 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 10:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=heanet.ie) by byron.heanet.ie with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18CiBI-0002LR-00; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:14:52 +0000 Received: from 193.1.218.227 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vreijs) by webmail.heanet.ie with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:14:52 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <65457.193.1.218.227.1037373292.squirrel@webmail.heanet.ie> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:14:52 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [IMRG] Re: Status of SIMR-development in IMRG From: "Victor Reijs" To: Cc: , , X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Mark, > I read the paper which describes the ideas and > setup of the SIMR database ("A Scalable System for Sharing Internet > Measurements" by Mark Allman, Ethan Blanton, Wesley M. Eddy) Do you have a URL for this (it was already over this lost, but I seem to have lost it). Thanks for your help.We are planning to have with some Euorpean NREN's (part of TF-NGN and DANTE work) soon a meeting on a possible measurement infrastructure (and the database is of course part of this). Soem of our ideas are in the document I once forwarded. All the best, Victor _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Nov 15 12:15:48 2002 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12775 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:15:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gAFHHv202996 for imrg-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:17:57 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFHHvv02993 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:17:57 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12768 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFHCKv02767; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:12:20 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gAFH4Bv01513 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:04:11 -0500 Received: from seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12525 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.112.33]) by seraph2.grc.nasa.gov (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDC3C697D for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunfire.grc.nasa.gov (IDENT:root@sunfire.lerc.nasa.gov [139.88.111.70]) by lombok-fi.lerc.nasa.gov (NASA GRC 8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAFH46wg011598 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jishac@localhost) by sunfire.grc.nasa.gov (8.11.4/8.11.4) id gAFH0vL31298 for imrg@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:00:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 12:00:57 -0500 From: Joseph Ishac To: imrg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [IMRG] Re: Status of SIMR-development in IMRG Message-ID: <20021115120057.A31277@sunfire.grc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: Joseph Ishac Mail-Followup-To: imrg@ietf.org References: <65457.193.1.218.227.1037373292.squirrel@webmail.heanet.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <65457.193.1.218.227.1037373292.squirrel@webmail.heanet.ie>; from victor.reijs@heanet.ie on Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 03:14:52PM -0000 Sender: imrg-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: imrg-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: imrg@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Internet Measurement Research Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 03:14:52PM -0000, Victor Reijs wrote: > > I read the paper which describes the ideas and > > setup of the SIMR database ("A Scalable System for Sharing Internet > > Measurements" by Mark Allman, Ethan Blanton, Wesley M. Eddy) > > Do you have a URL for this (it was already over this lost, but I seem to Mark Allman, Ethan Blanton, Wesley Eddy. A Scalable System for Sharing Internet Measurements. Proceedings of the Passive and Active Measurement Workshop, March 2002. http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~mallman/papers/simr-pam2002.ps -- Joseph Ishac Computer Engineer NASA GRC http://roland.grc.nasa.gov/~jishac/ _______________________________________________ IMRG mailing list IMRG@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/imrg