From nobody Thu Dec 1 02:42:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9BD129C7A for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 02:42:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.845 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.845 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GegkiLYlvAn3 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 02:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10056129C9B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2016 02:41:41 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.1.130; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'idr wg'" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 05:38:34 -0500 Message-ID: <007501d24bbf$11a41b50$34ec51f0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01D24B95.28CE6170" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdJLvuE38XB8UIsiReWRPWoGgtwL+w== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension - 1 week period to comment (11/17 - 11/24/2016) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 10:42:25 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01D24B95.28CE6170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IDR consensus is that the IPR on draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension is acceptable. The authors should submit the draft as: draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension. Sue Hares ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01D24B95.28CE6170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The IDR = consensus is that the IPR on = draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension is = acceptable.   The authors should submit the draft as: =  draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension. =  

 

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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Advertising Node Admin Tags in BGP Link-State Advertisements Authors : Pushpasis Sarkar Hannes Gredler Stephane Litkowski Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension-00.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2016-12-01 Abstract: This document describes the protocol extensions to collect node administrative tags adevertised in IGP Link State advertisements and disseminate the same in BGP Link-State advertisement protocol, to facilitate inter-AS TE applications that may need the same node administrative tags to associate a subset of network devices spanning across more than one AS with a specific functionality. 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I have uploaded it as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension. Best regards, -Pushpasis On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:38 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > The IDR consensus is that the IPR on draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension > is acceptable. The authors should submit the draft as: > draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension. > > > > Sue Hares > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > --001a1146dcb8972d6205429d6106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sue,

Thanks a lot. I have uploaded i= t as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension.

Best regards,
-Pushpasis


On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:38= AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

The IDR cons= ensus is that the IPR on draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-exten= sion is acceptable.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The authors should submit the draft as: =C2= =A0draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension. =C2=A0

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List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 06:31:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DD3D3E085AC9643C76A8347D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alvaro, Thank you for your review! On 02/12/2016 04:04, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > > Hi! > > I just finished reading this document. Thanks for working on it! > > I do have some comments (please see below) that I want to see > addressed before IESG Evaluation, but I am starting the IETF Last Call > and will schedule the document in the next available Telechat. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > C1. Section 2. (BGP Large Communities Attribute) says that “Duplicate > BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. A receiving > speaker MUST silently remove duplicate BGP Large Community values from > a BGP Large Community attribute.” Given two identical Large > Communities, should the receiver remove both, or just one (the > duplicate of the first)? I think the text as written is subject to > interpretation. > The intention is to react on the first instance of the duplicate community - analogous to applying RFC7606 to the contents of the large community path attribute itself. Would a following text address your comment: A receiving speaker MUST act on the first instance of duplicate BGP Large Community value, and MUST silently ignore any other occurrence of such duplicated values. Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. This reverses the receive and transmit handling - ignore any subsequent duplicate community values and do not send duplicates. Whether an implementation actually removes anything or just ignores is an internal matter to the implementation. > C2. There seems to be a contradiction in the expected use of reserved > Global Administrator values. Section 2 says that the “Global > Administrator field…SHOULD either be one of the reserved values as > defined below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN)”, but later > Section 5 says: “The following Global Administrator values are > reserved: 0, 65535, and 4294967295. Operators SHOULD NOT use these > Global Administrator values.” IOW: “SHOULD use one if the reserved > values” and “SHOULD NOT use the reserved values” contradict each > other. It seems to me that because 0, 65535, and 4294967295 are > already reserved ASNs, **and** that “the Local Data Parts are to be > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN”, then only assigned > ASNs should ever be used --- **and** given that it is not an error to > use an value, then there is no real advantage in reserving anything > (again!). Suggestion: reference the RFCs where 0, 65535, and > 4294967295 are reserved and just say that those numbers SHOULD NOT be > used because if a Special Use Large Community is ever defined, those > values may be used. > For section 2: Global Administrator field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN) or one of the reserved values defined in Section 5. For section 5: Global Administrator values corresponding to reserved use Autonomous System Number values of 0 [RFC7607], 65535 [RFC7300], and 4294967295 [RFC7300] are reserved. Would this work? > C3. In Section 6: s/Global Administrator field MAY contain any > value/Global Administrator field may contain any value That “MAY” is > not normative, it is just expressing a fact. > > C4. A Normative reference to RFC4271 should exist; tag it to the first > mention of BGP. > > C5. RFC1997 and RFC6793 should be Informative. > Will edit those. Thank you. Ignas --------------DD3D3E085AC9643C76A8347D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Alvaro,

Thank you for your review!


On 02/12/2016 04:04, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:

Hi!

 

I just finished reading this document.  Thanks for working on it!

 

I do have some comments (please see below) that I want to see addressed before IESG Evaluation, but I am starting the IETF Last Call and will schedule the document in the next available Telechat.

 

Thanks!

 

Alvaro.

 

 

C1. Section 2. (BGP Large Communities Attribute) says that “Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted.  A receiving speaker MUST silently remove duplicate BGP Large Community values from a BGP Large Community attribute.”  Given two identical Large Communities, should the receiver remove both, or just one (the duplicate of the first)?  I think the text as written is subject to interpretation.

 

The intention is to react on the first instance of the duplicate community - analogous to applying RFC7606 to the contents of the large community path attribute itself. Would a following text address your comment:

A receiving speaker MUST act on the first instance of duplicate BGP Large Community value, and MUST silently ignore any other occurrence of such duplicated values. Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted.

This reverses the receive and transmit handling - ignore any subsequent duplicate community values and do not send duplicates. Whether an implementation actually removes anything or just ignores is an internal matter to the implementation.


C2. There seems to be a contradiction in the expected use of reserved Global Administrator values.  Section 2 says that the “Global Administrator field…SHOULD either be one of the reserved values as defined below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN)”, but later Section 5 says: “The following Global Administrator values are reserved: 0, 65535, and 4294967295.  Operators SHOULD NOT use these Global Administrator values.”   IOW: “SHOULD use one if the reserved values” and “SHOULD NOT use the reserved values” contradict each other.  It seems to me that because 0, 65535, and 4294967295 are already reserved ASNs, *and* that “the Local Data Parts are to be interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN”, then only assigned ASNs should ever be used --- *and* given that it is not an error to use an value, then there is no real advantage in reserving anything (again!). Suggestion: reference the RFCs where 0, 65535, and 4294967295 are reserved and just say that those numbers SHOULD NOT be used because if a Special Use Large Community is ever defined, those values may be used.

For section 2: Global Administrator field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN) or one of the reserved values defined in Section 5.

For section 5: Global Administrator values corresponding to reserved use Autonomous System Number values of 0 [RFC7607], 65535 [RFC7300], and 4294967295 [RFC7300] are reserved.

Would this work?

 

C3. In Section 6: s/Global Administrator field MAY contain any value/Global Administrator field may contain any value     That “MAY” is not normative, it is just expressing a fact.

 

C4. A Normative reference to RFC4271 should exist; tag it to the first mention of BGP.

 

C5. RFC1997 and RFC6793 should be Informative.


Will edit those.

Thank you.

Ignas

--------------DD3D3E085AC9643C76A8347D-- From nobody Fri Dec 2 00:42:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21201129525; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 00:42:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148066816412.29721.1965835415134602483.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:42:44 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-10.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 08:42:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Generic Subtype for BGP Four-octet AS specific extended community Authors : Dhananjaya Rao Pradosh Mohapatra Jeffrey Haas Filename : draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-10.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2016-12-01 Abstract: Maintaining the current best practices with communities, ISPs and enterprises that are assigned a 4-octet AS number may want the BGP UPDATE messages they receive from their customers or peers to include a 4-octet AS specific BGP extended community. This document defines a new sub-type within the four-octet AS specific extended community to facilitate this practice. 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If there exist 2 implementations for this draft, please let me = know.=C2=A0 We can go rapidly into the final stages before WG LC. =

 

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Thanks a lot. I have uploaded it as = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension.

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Best regards,

-Pushpasis

 

 

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The IDR = consensus is that the IPR on = draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension is = acceptable.   The authors should submit the draft as: =  draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension. =  

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This document defines > a new sub-type within the four-octet AS specific extended community > to facilitate this practice. >=20 >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-s= ubtype/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtyp= e-10 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generi= c-subtype-10 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Fri Dec 2 05:46:57 2016 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If they remove (as originally specified), then I = would suggest you keep that. What do you think would be a good minimal change to clarify? How about = changing the word "duplicate" to "redundant"? OLD: Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. A receiving speaker MUST silently remove duplicate BGP Large Community values from a BGP Large Community attribute. NEW: Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. 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with SMTP id m20mr97139135pli.126.1480689056678; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 06:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.184.157] ([101.100.166.67]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b71sm8324628pfj.62.2016.12.02.06.30.54 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 02 Dec 2016 06:30:56 -0800 (PST) To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> From: Ignas Bagdonas Message-ID: <419db8cd-e4ae-a191-bfd3-8e35ca76b0cd@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 14:30:52 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------49A8A1F331DCF15197B60807" Archived-At: Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 14:31:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------49A8A1F331DCF15197B60807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alvaro, > > The intention is to react on the first instance of the duplicate > community - analogous to applying > > > RFC7606 to the contents of the large community path attribute > itself. Would a following text address > > > your comment: > > > > > > A receiving speaker MUST act on the first instance of duplicate BGP > Large Community value, and > > > MUST silently ignore any other occurrence of such duplicated values. > Duplicate BGP Large > > > Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. > > > > > > This reverses the receive and transmit handling - ignore any > subsequent duplicate community values > > > and do not send duplicates. Whether an implementation actually > removes anything or just ignores is > > > an internal matter to the implementation. > > Removing and ignoring are obviously different things… The text above > is fine with me, but I would ask: what do the current implementations > do? If they remove (as originally specified), then I would suggest > you keep that. > The implementations that I am familiar with do interpret first instance of the community value and do not react (=ignore) any other instances of the same community value on the receive side. Whether it is truly first instance as it appears on the wire or the first instance of the sorted received community is an implementation detail, the outcome is that single community value is interpreted only once. Therefore on the transmit side there are no duplicate values. This is based on decoding, processing, and then encoding the community attribute and not forwarding it as a binary object only - I am not aware of any implementation that does that. Could anyone familiar with implementations that behave differently please speak up? > > > C2. There seems to be a contradiction in the expected use of > reserved Global Administrator > > > > values. Section 2 says that the “Global Administrator > field…SHOULD either be one of the reserved > > > > values as defined below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN)”, > but later Section 5 says: “The > > > > following Global Administrator values are reserved: 0, 65535, and > 4294967295. Operators SHOULD > > > > NOT use these Global Administrator values.” IOW: “SHOULD use one > if the reserved values” and > > > > “SHOULD NOT use the reserved values” contradict each other. It > seems to me that because 0, > > > > 65535, and 4294967295 are already reserved ASNs, *and* that “the > Local Data Parts are to be > > > > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN”, then only > assigned ASNs should ever be used --- > > > > *and* given that it is not an error to use an value, then there is > no real advantage in reserving > > > > anything (again!). Suggestion: reference the RFCs where 0, 65535, > and 4294967295 are reserved > > > > and just say that those numbers SHOULD NOT be used because if a > Special Use Large Community is > > > > ever defined, those values may be used. > > > > > > For section 2: Global Administrator field SHOULD be an Autonomous > System Number (ASN) or one of > > > the reserved values defined in Section 5. > > > > > > For section 5: Global Administrator values corresponding to reserved > use Autonomous System > > > Number values of 0 [RFC7607], 65535 [RFC7300], and 4294967295 > [RFC7300] are reserved. > > > > > > Would this work? > > Question for you: do you want the operators to use 0, 65535, and > 4294967295 whenever they want (which is what the new text says), OR, > do you want them not to use them because they could be used later for > a special purpose (which is what the original text seemed to indicate)?? > Communities - any type, standard, extended, large, wide - for practical cases are aligned with AS numbers. As there are reserved AS numbers that potentially could be used for some future extensibility functionality, in the same way community values equal to those AS numbers are reserved for potential future extensibility - it is a mechanism to ensure functional parity of the namespaces for AS numbers and community values. My personal interpretation of the new text for sections 2 and 5 is that reserved values could be present in the global administrator field but then in that case local parts have specific, predefined meaning and are not used for arbitrary values (that meaning is not defined today though). Therefore as AS number values of 0, 65535 and 0xffffffff are reserved and should not be used as defined today (this is the key part - today), corresponding community values should follow the same procedure. > I’m having a hard time with this document “reserving” any value > because the number space is not really one where values are assigned > (in the typical IANA sense: create a registry, etc. – and I doubt you > want to make it that way)…but the contents can be (SHOULD) what is > contained in an already existing registry (ASNs) that has distributed > control. > Indeed the intention is not to define a new registry if that can be avoided. Community values follow AS number values (technically it is just an uint32_t number that has an interpretation of AS number value). > Assuming that you would prefer the operators NOT to use 0, 65535, and > 4294967295, then here’s my suggestion: > Yes, the intention is exactly that - reserved values should not be used. > OLD> (Section 2) > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > This field SHOULD either be one of the reserved values as defined > > below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN). If it is a reserved > > value, then the Local Data Parts are as defined by the reserved > > value. If it is an ASN then the Local Data Parts are to be > > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN. > > NEW> > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > This field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN). The use of > > Reserved ASNs (0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]) is NOT > > RECOMMENDED. > > …and then eliminate Section 5… > > If you really want operators not to use the Reserved ASNs ever because > a special use may be though up later, then use “MUST NOT” above. > Personally I agree with this text. Ignas --------------49A8A1F331DCF15197B60807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Alvaro,


> The intention is to react on the first instance of the duplicate community - analogous to applying

> RFC7606 to the contents of the large community path attribute itself. Would a following text address

> your comment:

> 

> A receiving speaker MUST act on the first instance of duplicate BGP Large Community value, and

> MUST silently ignore any other occurrence of such duplicated values. Duplicate BGP Large

> Community values MUST NOT be transmitted.

> 

> This reverses the receive and transmit handling - ignore any subsequent duplicate community values

> and do not send duplicates. Whether an implementation actually removes anything or just ignores is

> an internal matter to the implementation.

 

Removing and ignoring are obviously different things…  The text above is fine with me, but I would ask: what do the current implementations do?  If they remove (as originally specified), then I would suggest you keep that.


The implementations that I am familiar with do interpret first instance of the community value and do not react (=ignore) any other instances of the same community value on the receive side. Whether it is truly first instance as it appears on the wire or the first instance of the sorted received community is an implementation detail, the outcome is that single community value is interpreted only once. Therefore on the transmit side there are no duplicate values. This is based on decoding, processing, and then encoding the community attribute and not forwarding it as a binary object only - I am not aware of any implementation that does that. Could anyone familiar with implementations that behave differently please speak up?
 

> > C2. There seems to be a contradiction in the expected use of reserved Global Administrator

> > values.  Section 2 says that the “Global Administrator field…SHOULD either be one of the reserved

> > values as defined below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN)”, but later Section 5 says: “The

> > following Global Administrator values are reserved: 0, 65535, and 4294967295.  Operators SHOULD

> > NOT use these Global Administrator values.”   IOW: “SHOULD use one if the reserved values” and

> > “SHOULD NOT use the reserved values” contradict each other.  It seems to me that because 0,

> > 65535, and 4294967295 are already reserved ASNs, *and* that “the Local Data Parts are to be

> > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN”, then only assigned ASNs should ever be used ---

> > *and* given that it is not an error to use an value, then there is no real advantage in reserving

> > anything (again!). Suggestion: reference the RFCs where 0, 65535, and 4294967295 are reserved

> > and just say that those numbers SHOULD NOT be used because if a Special Use Large Community is

> > ever defined, those values may be used.

> 

> For section 2: Global Administrator field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN) or one of

> the reserved values defined in Section 5.

> 

> For section 5: Global Administrator values corresponding to reserved use Autonomous System

> Number values of 0 [RFC7607], 65535 [RFC7300], and 4294967295 [RFC7300] are reserved.

> 

> Would this work?

 

Question for you:  do you want the operators to use 0, 65535, and 4294967295 whenever they want (which is what the new text says), OR, do you want them not to use them because they could be used later for a special purpose (which is what the original text seemed to indicate)??


Communities - any type, standard, extended, large, wide - for practical cases are aligned with AS numbers. As there are reserved AS numbers that potentially could be used for some future extensibility functionality, in the same way community values equal to those AS numbers are reserved for potential future extensibility - it is a mechanism to ensure functional parity of the namespaces for AS numbers and community values. My personal interpretation of the new text for sections 2 and 5 is that reserved values could be present in the global administrator field but then in that case local parts have specific, predefined meaning and are not used for arbitrary values (that meaning is not defined today though). Therefore as AS number values of 0, 65535 and 0xffffffff are reserved and should not be used as defined today (this is the key part - today), corresponding community values should follow the same procedure. 


 

I’m having a hard time with this document “reserving” any value because the number space is not really one where values are assigned (in the typical IANA sense: create a registry, etc. – and I doubt you want to make it that way)…but the contents can be (SHOULD) what is contained in an already existing registry (ASNs) that has distributed control.

Indeed the intention is not to define a new registry if that can be avoided. Community values follow AS number values (technically it is just an uint32_t number that has an interpretation of AS number value). 



Assuming that you would prefer the operators NOT to use 0, 65535, and 4294967295, then here’s my suggestion:

Yes, the intention is exactly that - reserved values should not be used.

OLD> (Section 2)

   The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different

   Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision.

   This field SHOULD either be one of the reserved values as defined

   below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN).  If it is a reserved

   value, then the Local Data Parts are as defined by the reserved

   value.  If it is an ASN then the Local Data Parts are to be

   interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN.

 

NEW>

   The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different

   Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision.

   This field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN).  The use of

   Reserved ASNs (0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]) is NOT

   RECOMMENDED.

 

…and then eliminate Section 5…

 

If you really want operators not to use the Reserved ASNs ever because a special use may be though up later, then use “MUST NOT” above.


Personally I agree with this text. 


Ignas

--------------49A8A1F331DCF15197B60807-- From nobody Fri Dec 2 07:30:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AF112953C; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:30:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KCEHBO4zOHGC; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA701294E7; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dresden.attlocal.net (99-59-193-67.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net [99.59.193.67]) by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 155C31E341; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:33:30 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_EAA0D612-4221-4967-ACCA-AA94BA02A7BE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) From: Jeffrey Haas In-Reply-To: <419db8cd-e4ae-a191-bfd3-8e35ca76b0cd@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:30:07 -0500 Message-Id: <477C42EC-359B-41DC-BCEC-9130A245DD67@pfrc.org> References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> <419db8cd-e4ae-a191-bfd3-8e35ca76b0cd@gmail.com> To: Ignas Bagdonas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 15:30:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_EAA0D612-4221-4967-ACCA-AA94BA02A7BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Dec 2, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Ignas Bagdonas = wrote: >=20 >> Removing and ignoring are obviously different things=E2=80=A6 The = text above is fine with me, but I would ask: what do the current = implementations do? If they remove (as originally specified), then I = would suggest you keep that. >>=20 >=20 > The implementations that I am familiar with do interpret first = instance of the community value and do not react (=3Dignore) any other = instances of the same community value on the receive side. Whether it is = truly first instance as it appears on the wire or the first instance of = the sorted received community is an implementation detail, the outcome = is that single community value is interpreted only once. Therefore on = the transmit side there are no duplicate values. This is based on = decoding, processing, and then encoding the community attribute and not = forwarding it as a binary object only - I am not aware of any = implementation that does that. Could anyone familiar with = implementations that behave differently please speak up?=20 Implementations that tend toward memory conserving typically implement = it this way: - Sort the elements. (They have set semantics, so order is irrelevant.) - Remove duplicate entries (redundant as John says) - Having done the above, check against a data store for a previously = existing version. If it exists, simply bump its refcount. The above gives the property of "discard redundant on receive". If a = similar canonicalization is done on entries that are to be sent with = routes, it also removes duplicates/redundant entries on send. Modern languages in many cases provide "set" semantics and would = similarly give the above properties a bit more automatically. That said, implementations need neither use modern languages (or = mechanisms in those languages) or might not be memory conserving. Thus, = the text recommending removing redundant entries is still a good idea. -- Jeff --Apple-Mail=_EAA0D612-4221-4967-ACCA-AA94BA02A7BE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Dec 2, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Ignas Bagdonas <ibagdona.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Removing and ignoring = are obviously different things=E2=80=A6  The text above is fine = with me, but I would ask: what do the current implementations do?  = If they remove (as originally specified), then I would suggest you keep = that.


The implementations that I am familiar with do interpret = first instance of the community value and do not react (=3Dignore) any = other instances of the same community value on the receive side. Whether = it is truly first instance as it appears on the wire or the first = instance of the sorted received community is an implementation detail, = the outcome is that single community value is interpreted only once. = Therefore on the transmit side there are no duplicate values. This is = based on decoding, processing, and then encoding the community attribute = and not forwarding it as a binary object only - I am not aware of any = implementation that does that. Could anyone familiar with = implementations that behave differently please speak up? 

Implementations that tend toward = memory conserving typically implement it this way:
- = Sort the elements.  (They have set semantics, so order is = irrelevant.)
- Remove duplicate entries (redundant = as John says)
- Having done the above, check = against a data store for a previously existing version.  If it = exists, simply bump its refcount.

The above gives the property of = "discard redundant on receive".  If a similar canonicalization is = done on entries that are to be sent with routes, it also removes = duplicates/redundant entries on send.

Modern languages in many cases provide = "set" semantics and would similarly give the above properties a bit more = automatically.

That said, implementations need neither use modern languages = (or mechanisms in those languages) or might not be memory conserving. =  Thus, the text recommending removing redundant entries is still a = good idea.

-- = Jeff

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Also moved status to "dead". Thanks for the update. --John > On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:39 AM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: >=20 > This update solely exists to act as a tombstone for the work and to = request IANA to deprecate their former assignments. >=20 > Chairs, please continue with the request with IANA. >=20 > -- Jeff >=20 >> On Dec 2, 2016, at 3:42 AM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. >>=20 >> Title : Generic Subtype for BGP Four-octet AS = specific extended community >> Authors : Dhananjaya Rao >> Pradosh Mohapatra >> Jeffrey Haas >> Filename : = draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtype-10.txt >> Pages : 6 >> Date : 2016-12-01 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> Maintaining the current best practices with communities, ISPs and >> enterprises that are assigned a 4-octet AS number may want the BGP >> UPDATE messages they receive from their customers or peers to = include >> a 4-octet AS specific BGP extended community. This document defines >> a new sub-type within the four-octet AS specific extended community >> to facilitate this practice. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-s= ubtype/ >>=20 >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generic-subtyp= e-10 >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-as4octet-extcomm-generi= c-subtype-10 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Fri Dec 2 07:40:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE01F129468; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:40:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=psc.edu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02FZm5Xt1Hlb; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailer2.psc.edu (mailer2.psc.edu [128.182.70.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0634E129588; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.101.69] (c-67-186-19-193.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [67.186.19.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailer2.psc.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id uB2FeQiv017401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:40:28 -0500 DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.1 mailer2.psc.edu uB2FeQiv017401 Authentication-Results: mailer2.psc.edu; dmarc=none header.from=psc.edu Authentication-Results: mailer2.psc.edu; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lambert@psc.edu DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mailer2.psc.edu uB2FeQiv017401 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=psc.edu; s=default; t=1480693228; bh=cYQO+sVO8D5vD69M0QvmcLmzNcGtJyrYoHeqCF29DwQ=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=HMpcS/4bNxP9SwebJLBTSBIIHRpX6dqFf/cgV8orkHOKViPx54vR+v4A3azjacs5T /jwfzVdXlTrWLeftlinPa5LZOY8gr3cE1rkktBk692olUwVJMhT1QoRvUVrF2fXGFM gXNo6Ap5bbKz6F841xO1bUdKEqDHDVKuDwhYSdV4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Michael H Lambert In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 10:40:25 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8A889AAA-05C6-4036-B05A-316FEB2C84E2@psc.edu> References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> To: "John G. Scudder" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 15:40:36 -0000 > On 2 Dec 2016, at 08:57, John G. Scudder wrote: >=20 > On Dec 2, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) = wrote: >> Removing and ignoring are obviously different things=E2=80=A6 The = text above is fine with me, but I would ask: what do the current = implementations do? If they remove (as originally specified), then I = would suggest you keep that. >=20 > What do you think would be a good minimal change to clarify? How about = changing the word "duplicate" to "redundant"? >=20 > OLD: > Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. A > receiving speaker MUST silently remove duplicate BGP Large Community > values from a BGP Large Community attribute. >=20 > NEW: > Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. A > receiving speaker MUST silently remove redundant BGP Large Community > values from a BGP Large Community attribute. Just for clarification: Does "speaker" in this context refer to a BGP = speaker implementing large communities, and, by inference, excludes BGP = speakers not supporting large communities? Thanks, Michael From nobody Fri Dec 2 07:44:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0681295B3; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:44:35 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <148069347536.29616.12975541589374339643.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 07:44:35 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129@ietf.org, shares@ndzh.com Subject: [Idr] Last Call: (Deprecation of BGP Path Attribute values 30, 31, 129, 241, 242, and 234) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 15:44:35 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'Deprecation of BGP Path Attribute values 30, 31, 129, 241, 242, and 234' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2016-12-16. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document requests IANA to mark BGP path attribute values 30, 31, 129, 241, 242, and 243 as "deprecated". The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Fri Dec 2 07:45:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49FC12971E; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:45:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <148069351286.29733.16760347659573353664.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 07:45:12 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Last Call: (BGP Large Communities) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 15:45:13 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Inter-Domain Routing WG (idr) to consider the following document: - 'BGP Large Communities' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2016-12-16. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes the BGP Large Communities attribute, an extension to BGP-4. This attribute provides a mechanism to signal opaque information within separate namespaces to aid in routing management. The attribute is suitable for use with four-octet Autonomous System Numbers. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-large-community/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-large-community/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Fri Dec 2 07:45:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955CB1297F1; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:45:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.831 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.831 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GNQjtiDKWDJS; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:5::26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 696BC129468; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 07:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCq1C-0003ud-8R (job@us.ntt.net); Fri, 02 Dec 2016 15:44:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:44:54 +0100 From: Job Snijders To: Michael H Lambert Message-ID: <20161202154454.GH47164@Vurt.local> References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> <8A889AAA-05C6-4036-B05A-316FEB2C84E2@psc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8A889AAA-05C6-4036-B05A-316FEB2C84E2@psc.edu> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 15:45:28 -0000 On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:40:25AM -0500, Michael H Lambert wrote: > > On 2 Dec 2016, at 08:57, John G. Scudder wrote: > > > > On Dec 2, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > >> Removing and ignoring are obviously different things… The text > >> above is fine with me, but I would ask: what do the current > >> implementations do? If they remove (as originally specified), then > >> I would suggest you keep that. > > > > What do you think would be a good minimal change to clarify? How > > about changing the word "duplicate" to "redundant"? > > > > OLD: > > Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. A > > receiving speaker MUST silently remove duplicate BGP Large Community > > values from a BGP Large Community attribute. > > > > NEW: > > Duplicate BGP Large Community values MUST NOT be transmitted. A > > receiving speaker MUST silently remove redundant BGP Large Community > > values from a BGP Large Community attribute. > > Just for clarification: Does "speaker" in this context refer to a BGP > speaker implementing large communities, and, by inference, excludes > BGP speakers not supporting large communities? This only applies to BGP speakers who understand the Large Community. To speakers without Large Community support, it will just be an optional transitive attribute which is passed on in verbatim. Kind regards, Job From nobody Fri Dec 2 08:45:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E00E1297C2; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 08:45:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148069714751.29737.9901551729505628094.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 08:45:47 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-10.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 16:45:47 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : BGP Large Communities Authors : Jakob Heitz Job Snijders Keyur Patel Ignas Bagdonas Nick Hilliard Filename : draft-ietf-idr-large-community-10.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2016-12-02 Abstract: This document describes the BGP Large Communities attribute, an extension to BGP-4. This attribute provides a mechanism to signal opaque information within separate namespaces to aid in routing management. The attribute is suitable for use with four-octet Autonomous System Numbers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-large-community/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-large-community-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-large-community-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Thanks and Regards -Pushpasis On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > Pushpasis: > > > > If there exist 2 implementations for this draft, please let me know. We > can go rapidly into the final stages before WG LC. > > > > Sue > > > > *From:* Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Pushpasis Sarkar > *Sent:* Thursday, December 1, 2016 1:57 PM > *To:* Susan Hares > *Cc:* idr wg > *Subject:* Re: [Idr] draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension - > 1 week period to comment (11/17 - 11/24/2016) > > > > Hi Sue, > > > > Thanks a lot. I have uploaded it as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node- > admin-tag-extension. > > > > Best regards, > > -Pushpasis > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:38 AM, Susan Hares wrote: > > The IDR consensus is that the IPR on draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension > is acceptable. The authors should submit the draft as: > draft-ietf-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extension. > > > > Sue Hares > > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > --001a113e5d10933af40542afbbfb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Susan,

I dont know if there are any = implementations around already... :( =C2=A0Maybe someone on this list can u= pdate..=C2=A0

Thanks and Regards
-Pushpa= sis

On= Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wr= ote:

Pushpasis:

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0

If there exist 2 imp= lementations for this draft, please let me know.=C2=A0 We can go rapidly in= to the final stages before WG LC.

=C2=A0

Sue

=C2=A0

From: Idr [m= ailto:idr-bounces= @ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pushpasis Sarkar
Sent: Thursda= y, December 1, 2016 1:57 PM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: idr wg<= br>Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-psarkar-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-e= xtension - 1 week period to comment (11/17 - 11/24/2016)

=C2=A0

Hi Sue,

=C2=A0

Thanks a l= ot. I have uploaded it as draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-node-admin-tag-extensi= on.

=C2=A0=

Best regards,

=

-Pushpasis

=C2=A0

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On Thu, Dec 1, 2016= at 2:38 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

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--001a113e5d10933af40542afbbfb-- From nobody Fri Dec 2 09:14:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E4912952F; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:14:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WfUOeidUodoH; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from guelah.shrubbery.net (guelah.shrubbery.net [198.58.5.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F22129598; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by guelah.shrubbery.net (Postfix, from userid 7053) id 7DD7F7A673; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:14:53 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:14:53 +0000 From: heasley To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Message-ID: <20161202171453.GG3403@shrubbery.net> References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> X-PGPkey: http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/public-key.asc X-note: live free, or die! X-homer: i just want to have a beer while i am caring. X-Claimation: an engineer needs a manager like a fish needs a bicycle X-reality: only YOU can put an end to the embarrassment that is Tom Cruise User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:14:55 -0000 Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 01:46:50PM +0000, Alvaro Retana (aretana): > On 12/2/16, 1:31 AM, "Ignas Bagdonas" wrote: > > > C2. There seems to be a contradiction in the expected use of reserved Global Administrator > > > > values. Section 2 says that the “Global Administrator field…SHOULD either be one of the reserved > > > > values as defined below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN)”, but later Section 5 says: “The > > > > following Global Administrator values are reserved: 0, 65535, and 4294967295. Operators SHOULD > > > > NOT use these Global Administrator values.” IOW: “SHOULD use one if the reserved values” and > > > > “SHOULD NOT use the reserved values” contradict each other. It seems to me that because 0, > > > > 65535, and 4294967295 are already reserved ASNs, *and* that “the Local Data Parts are to be > > > > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN”, then only assigned ASNs should ever be used --- > > > > *and* given that it is not an error to use an value, then there is no real advantage in reserving > > > > anything (again!). Suggestion: reference the RFCs where 0, 65535, and 4294967295 are reserved > > > > and just say that those numbers SHOULD NOT be used because if a Special Use Large Community is > > > > ever defined, those values may be used. > > > For section 2: Global Administrator field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN) or one of > > > the reserved values defined in Section 5. > > > For section 5: Global Administrator values corresponding to reserved use Autonomous System > > > Number values of 0 [RFC7607], 65535 [RFC7300], and 4294967295 [RFC7300] are reserved. > > > Would this work? > > Question for you: do you want the operators to use 0, 65535, and 4294967295 whenever they want (which is what the new text says), OR, do you want them not to use them because they could be used later for a special purpose (which is what the original text seemed to indicate)?? > > I’m having a hard time with this document “reserving” any value because the number space is not really one where values are assigned (in the typical IANA sense: create a registry, etc. – and I doubt you want to make it that way)…but the contents can be (SHOULD) what is contained in an already existing registry (ASNs) that has distributed control. 0 and 4294967295 are reserved ASNs, as is 65535 and 65535 is used by RFC 1997 communities for well-known communities. It is the intention to use 65535 if in the future it is desirable to define large well-known communities. The other two should not be used because they are invalid ASNs and could lead to collision. This all seems prudent to me. > Assuming that you would prefer the operators NOT to use 0, 65535, and 4294967295, then here’s my suggestion: > > OLD> (Section 2) > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > This field SHOULD either be one of the reserved values as defined > > below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN). If it is a reserved > > value, then the Local Data Parts are as defined by the reserved > > value. If it is an ASN then the Local Data Parts are to be > > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN. > > NEW> > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > This field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN). The use of > > Reserved ASNs (0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]) is NOT > > RECOMMENDED. > > > > …and then eliminate Section 5… no, do not eliminate section 5. > > > If you really want operators not to use the Reserved ASNs ever because a special use may be though up later, then use “MUST NOT” above. > From nobody Fri Dec 2 09:17:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DA21294F6; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a05zOPQGCnCG; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from guelah.shrubbery.net (guelah.shrubbery.net [198.58.5.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0991294F4; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by guelah.shrubbery.net (Postfix, from userid 7053) id 1B5717A692; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:17:28 +0000 From: heasley To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Message-ID: <20161202171728.GH3403@shrubbery.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGPkey: http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/public-key.asc X-note: live free, or die! X-homer: i just want to have a beer while i am caring. X-Claimation: an engineer needs a manager like a fish needs a bicycle X-reality: only YOU can put an end to the embarrassment that is Tom Cruise User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:17:30 -0000 Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 04:04:22AM +0000, Alvaro Retana (aretana): > C3. In Section 6: s/Global Administrator field MAY contain any value/Global Administrator field may contain any value That “MAY” is not normative, it is just expressing a fact. The intent was to indicate to implementers that the field may be of any value and therefore should not be constrained. Is it not then normative? or should that be expressed in another manner? From nobody Fri Dec 2 09:28:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553B51295CE; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:28:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.831 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.831 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h0MPI7GgCHOU; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:3::22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 220681295B6; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCrdP-0000y9-Pc (job@us.ntt.net); Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:28:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 18:28:28 +0100 From: Job Snijders To: heasley Message-ID: <20161202172828.GA26987@hanna.meerval.net> References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> <20161202171453.GG3403@shrubbery.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20161202171453.GG3403@shrubbery.net> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) Archived-At: Cc: "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:28:35 -0000 On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 05:14:53PM +0000, heasley wrote: > 0 and 4294967295 are reserved ASNs, as is 65535 and 65535 is used by > RFC 1997 communities for well-known communities. It is the intention > to use 65535 if in the future it is desirable to define large > well-known communities. The other two should not be used because they > are invalid ASNs and could lead to collision. This all seems prudent > to me. > > > Assuming that you would prefer the operators NOT to use 0, 65535, > > and 4294967295, then here’s my suggestion: > > > > OLD> (Section 2) > > > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > This field SHOULD either be one of the reserved values as defined > > below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN). If it is a reserved > > value, then the Local Data Parts are as defined by the reserved > > value. If it is an ASN then the Local Data Parts are to be > > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN. > > > > NEW> > > > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > This field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN). The use of > > Reserved ASNs (0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]) is NOT > > RECOMMENDED. > > > > …and then eliminate Section 5… > > no, do not eliminate section 5. The text that used to be section 5 is better served through a separate document I think. Jon Mitchell and myself are working on a document to assist in that matter. This document is not published yet. The first sentence of section 5 was moved into the section 2. The second sentence says what the document is _not_, and a forward looking statement of what could happen. There is no cost to removing that if we carry that torch over into a new document. Let me know if you want to help work on draft-mitchell-idr-large-communities-registry. Kind regards, Job From nobody Fri Dec 2 09:34:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99F31296DB; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:34:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C3WTUq8mMy1U; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from guelah.shrubbery.net (guelah.shrubbery.net [198.58.5.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F176128B38; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by guelah.shrubbery.net (Postfix, from userid 7053) id 341057A703; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:34:41 +0000 From: heasley To: Job Snijders Message-ID: <20161202173441.GI3403@shrubbery.net> References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> <20161202171453.GG3403@shrubbery.net> <20161202172828.GA26987@hanna.meerval.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20161202172828.GA26987@hanna.meerval.net> X-PGPkey: http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/public-key.asc X-note: live free, or die! X-homer: i just want to have a beer while i am caring. X-Claimation: an engineer needs a manager like a fish needs a bicycle X-reality: only YOU can put an end to the embarrassment that is Tom Cruise User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: heasley , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:34:43 -0000 Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 06:28:28PM +0100, Job Snijders: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 05:14:53PM +0000, heasley wrote: > > 0 and 4294967295 are reserved ASNs, as is 65535 and 65535 is used by > > RFC 1997 communities for well-known communities. It is the intention > > to use 65535 if in the future it is desirable to define large > > well-known communities. The other two should not be used because they > > are invalid ASNs and could lead to collision. This all seems prudent > > to me. > > > > > Assuming that you would prefer the operators NOT to use 0, 65535, > > > and 4294967295, then here’s my suggestion: > > > > > > OLD> (Section 2) > > > > > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > > This field SHOULD either be one of the reserved values as defined > > > below, or an Autonomous System Number (ASN). If it is a reserved > > > value, then the Local Data Parts are as defined by the reserved > > > value. If it is an ASN then the Local Data Parts are to be > > > interpreted as defined by the owner of the ASN. > > > > > > NEW> > > > > > > The Global Administrator field is intended to allow different > > > Autonomous Systems to define BGP Large Communities without collision. > > > This field SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN). The use of > > > Reserved ASNs (0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]) is NOT > > > RECOMMENDED. > > > > > > …and then eliminate Section 5… > > > > no, do not eliminate section 5. > > The text that used to be section 5 is better served through a separate > document I think. Jon Mitchell and myself are working on a document to > assist in that matter. This document is not published yet. seems silly to spread it across 2 documents. it is not a complex subject and its already been expressed that there is no desire to specify any well-knowns at this time. > The first sentence of section 5 was moved into the section 2. The second > sentence says what the document is _not_, and a forward looking > statement of what could happen. There is no cost to removing that if we > carry that torch over into a new document. Let me know if you want to > help work on draft-mitchell-idr-large-communities-registry. > > Kind regards, > > Job From nobody Fri Dec 2 09:37:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ED312943A; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:37:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5kY4NUT-Ikft; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:37:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C181295F2; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from dresden.attlocal.net (99-59-193-67.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net [99.59.193.67]) by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EAAA1E341; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 12:41:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_690F219A-53E7-42F6-B727-BE3996ABC76B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) From: Jeffrey Haas In-Reply-To: <20161202171453.GG3403@shrubbery.net> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 12:37:38 -0500 Message-Id: <38F120F9-E057-404D-AF32-8BD392C20759@pfrc.org> References: <94f48779-14c8-0ec0-93ef-69eeba49e5be@gmail.com> <8B6BA07A-D636-4D8C-8B02-A5CB05538AAF@cisco.com> <20161202171453.GG3403@shrubbery.net> To: heasley , "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:37:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_690F219A-53E7-42F6-B727-BE3996ABC76B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:14 PM, heasley wrote: >=20 >> I=E2=80=99m having a hard time with this document =E2=80=9Creserving=E2= =80=9D any value because the number space is not really one where values = are assigned (in the typical IANA sense: create a registry, etc. =E2=80=93= and I doubt you want to make it that way)=E2=80=A6but the contents can = be (SHOULD) what is contained in an already existing registry (ASNs) = that has distributed control. >=20 > 0 and 4294967295 are reserved ASNs, as is 65535 and 65535 is used by = RFC 1997 > communities for well-known communities. It is the intention to use = 65535 if > in the future it is desirable to define large well-known communities. = The > other two should not be used because they are invalid ASNs and could = lead to > collision. This all seems prudent to me. As I'd unfortunately learned this year, people still operationalize the = use of even regular communities in the low and high value (0/65535) = global admins in RFC 1997 communities. Given the huge push for "parity" with 1997, being too restrictive in = this document seems unwise.=20 We have two audiences that any cautions need to be made to: - For developers, if you're not cautious about your wording on reserved = values, they keep you from configuring stuff in those ranges. - For operators, you want to tell them "these values either are not = globally unique and have the possibility of collisions, or may run afoul = of future compatibility mechanisms for well known communities in rfc = 1997 space". -- Jeff --Apple-Mail=_690F219A-53E7-42F6-B727-BE3996ABC76B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Dec 2, 2016, at 12:14 PM, heasley <heas@shrubbery.net> = wrote:

I=E2=80=99m having a hard = time with this document =E2=80=9Creserving=E2=80=9D any value because = the number space is not really one where values are assigned (in the = typical IANA sense: create a registry, etc. =E2=80=93 and I doubt you = want to make it that way)=E2=80=A6but the contents can be (SHOULD) what = is contained in an already existing registry (ASNs) that has distributed = control.

0 and 4294967295 are reserved ASNs, as is = 65535 and 65535 is used by RFC 1997
communities for well-known communities. =  It is the intention to use 65535 if
in the future it is desirable to define = large well-known communities.  The
other two should not be used because they = are invalid ASNs and could lead to
collision.  This all seems prudent = to me.

As I'd unfortunately learned this year, people still = operationalize the use of even regular communities in the low and high = value (0/65535) global admins in RFC 1997 communities.

Given the huge push for = "parity" with 1997, being too restrictive in this document seems = unwise. 

We= have two audiences that any cautions need to be made to:
- For developers, if you're not cautious about your wording = on reserved values, they keep you from configuring stuff in those = ranges.
- For operators, you want to tell them = "these values either are not globally unique and have the possibility of = collisions, or may run afoul of future compatibility mechanisms for well = known communities in rfc 1997 space".

-- Jeff

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SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45tY50zdT8AE; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from guelah.shrubbery.net (guelah.shrubbery.net [198.58.5.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE345129604; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by guelah.shrubbery.net (Postfix, from userid 7053) id 0B4D47A99E; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 19:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 19:28:51 +0000 From: heasley To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" Message-ID: <20161202192850.GB30634@shrubbery.net> References: <20161202171728.GH3403@shrubbery.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGPkey: http://www.shrubbery.net/~heas/public-key.asc X-note: live free, or die! X-homer: i just want to have a beer while i am caring. X-Claimation: an engineer needs a manager like a fish needs a bicycle X-reality: only YOU can put an end to the embarrassment that is Tom Cruise User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Archived-At: Cc: heasley , "idr-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 19:30:27 -0000 Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 05:43:32PM +0000, Alvaro Retana (aretana): > On 12/2/16, 12:17 PM, "heasley" wrote: > > Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 04:04:22AM +0000, Alvaro Retana (aretana): > > > > C3. In Section 6: s/Global Administrator field MAY contain any value/Global Administrator > > > > field may contain any value That “MAY” is not normative, it is just expressing a fact. > > > The intent was to indicate to implementers that the field may be of any > > > value and therefore should not be constrained. Is it not then normative? > > > or should that be expressed in another manner? > > In Section 2, where the Large Community is defined, it already says this: “The Global Administrator field…SHOULD be an Autonomous System Number (ASN).” The “SHOULD” leaves the door open for it to be anything. > > The text above, which comes later, is just repeating the fact already covered in Section 2. ok. I'd still leave it as it was, but whatever. From nobody Fri Dec 2 11:53:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D16D12007C; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 11:53:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148070839557.31734.14021922589145223478.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 11:53:15 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-packet-rate-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 19:53:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : BGP Flow Specification Packet-Rate Action Authors : Wesley Eddy Justin Dailey Gilbert Clark Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-packet-rate-01.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2016-12-02 Abstract: This document defines a new type of traffic filtering action for the BGP flow specification. The new packet-rate action allows specifying a rate-limit in number of packets per second. This is intended to be used in combatting some types of denial of service attacks where the packet rate is more important than the raw bitrate of the attack traffic. 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Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:14:32 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : BGP Large Communities Authors : Jakob Heitz Job Snijders Keyur Patel Ignas Bagdonas Nick Hilliard Filename : draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2016-12-02 Abstract: This document describes the BGP Large Communities attribute, an extension to BGP-4. This attribute provides a mechanism to signal opaque information within separate namespaces to aid in routing management. The attribute is suitable for use with four-octet Autonomous System Numbers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-large-community/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Dec 2 14:21:24 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6369812944C; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 14:21:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.831 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.831 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9gBf_CR9ZICL; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 14:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:3::22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6110E129429; Fri, 2 Dec 2016 14:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCwCl-000GmH-47 (job@us.ntt.net); Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:21:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 23:21:15 +0100 From: Job Snijders To: idr@ietf.org, aretana@cisco.com, idr-chairs@ietf.org Message-ID: <20161202222115.GC75304@Vurt.local> References: <148071687263.31853.8873601487550836492.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <148071687263.31853.8873601487550836492.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 22:21:22 -0000 Hi all, Apologies for the noise. The following URL is the relevant diff which shows the changes to address Alvaro's feedback. A sentence too many was removed in -10. https://www.ietf.org//rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-idr-large-community-09&url2=draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 Kind regards, Job On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 02:14:32PM -0800, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt > has been successfully submitted by Job Snijders and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-ietf-idr-large-community > Revision: 11 > Title: BGP Large Communities > Document date: 2016-12-02 > Group: idr > Pages: 9 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-large-community/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 > > Abstract: > This document describes the BGP Large Communities attribute, an > extension to BGP-4. This attribute provides a mechanism to signal > opaque information within separate namespaces to aid in routing > management. The attribute is suitable for use with four-octet > Autonomous System Numbers. > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > From nobody Sat Dec 3 02:17:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FE912967B for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 02:17:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H3JLHYd88TEn for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 02:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7091129665 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 02:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [85.158.136.83] by server-5.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id A5/5F-02084-9AB92485; Sat, 03 Dec 2016 10:17:13 +0000 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrJIsWRWlGSWpSXmKPExsUSsELzi+7K2U4 RBl+2SVu8uv2MyYHRY8mSn0wBjFGsmXlJ+RUJrBm/725hL7jPWHFz2zyWBsbtjF2MXBxCAgeZ JG4tm8jaxcgJ5KxhlNh2gAfEZhMwkpiwbj9LFyMHh4iAosTKT8kgYWGBMInDN5Ywg9giAuESs y5sZoKw9SROflzCCFLOIqAiMeG3EkiYV8Be4ua8v2DTGQVkJb40rgZrZRYQl2j6shIsLiEgIL Fkz3lmCFtU4uXjf6wQNToSC3Z/YoOwbSXm3v/CBGFrSyxb+JoZYr6gxMmZT1gmMArOQjJ2FpL 2WUjaZyFpn4WkfQEj6ypG9eLUorLUIl0jvaSizPSMktzEzBxdQwNTvdzU4uLE9NScxKRiveT8 3E2MwABnAIIdjN//OB1ilORgUhLlrcpyihDiS8pPqcxILM6ILyrNSS0+xCjDwaEkweszCygnW JSanlqRlpkDjDWYtAQHj5II7/qZQGne4oLE3OLMdIjUKUZjjgPvVzxl4tj3bd1TJiGWvPy8VC lxXhmQSQIgpRmleXCDYCngEqOslDAvI9BpQjwFqUW5mSWo8q8YxTkYlYR5JUGm8GTmlcDtewV 0ChPQKR3X7UFOKUlESEkBk8od7+fhBU/aM2dETtt59pHX9qn/zjKx8a3zfnuw1lZxwYtwVo5H mzaIvNtr6sB2atJZZ5OLVdEKzbsnV068cSQ34UMS54odP9hZLUR9TN/lCds2ZKTa+Yg11LwXN 9qfrNN6KWBx3uv/jiGuLGca4u+uaonZ4VH2rUTh3DxZh2v37kz6q56Yq8RSnJFoqMVcVJwIAP nGu5D8AgAA X-Env-Sender: david.freedman@uk.clara.net X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-36.messagelabs.com!1480760233!74050279!1 X-Originating-IP: [80.168.41.244] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 9.0.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16353 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2016 10:17:13 -0000 Received: from staff02.mail.eu.clara.net (HELO staff02.mail.eu.clara.net) (80.168.41.244) by server-10.tower-36.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2016 10:17:13 -0000 Received: from [80.168.41.252] (port=47148 helo=SRVGREXCAS02.claranet.local) by staff02.mail.eu.clara.net (staff02.mail.eu.clara.net [80.168.41.244]:25) with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) id 1cD7NZ-00036m-7U for idr@ietf.org (return-path ); Sat, 03 Dec 2016 10:17:13 +0000 Received: from SRVGREXMB01.claranet.local ([fe80::64bc:5d10:5203:a830]) by SRVGREXCAS02.claranet.local ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:14:25 +0000 From: David Freedman To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt Thread-Index: AdJNTgXIg6oTqyNoQkmKlN+gSmWq4A== Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:14:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 10:17:17 -0000 last minute nit: if we are going to recommend that particular reserved ASNs= are avoided for the global administrator, can we please include AS_TRANS (= RFC6793), there is probably a certain irony in not doing so. Dave = From nobody Sat Dec 3 02:53:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88CE31296A7 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 02:53:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qKTHyraPsTK0 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 02:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta5.messagelabs.com [195.245.231.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACDB1296A4 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 02:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [85.158.139.163] by server-11.bemta-5.messagelabs.com id FC/B6-09407-814A2485; Sat, 03 Dec 2016 10:53:12 +0000 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrJIsWRWlGSWpSXmKPExsUSsELzq67EEqc Ig5fTmS1e3X7G5MDosWTJT6YAxijWzLyk/IoE1ozm5VNYC45yV7x5M4G5gXEuZxcjF4eQwEEm ifMr37B1MXICOWsYJVouWoPYbAJGEhPW7WfpYuTgEBFQlFj5KRkkLCwQJnH4xhJmEFtEIFxi1 oXNTBC2kcTes6/B4iwCKhKfdt8As3kF7CU+bZ3NBDHeXmL1vh9gNqeAg8SD190sIDajgKzEl8 bVYPXMAuISTV9WsoLYEgICEkv2nGeGsEUlXj7+xwpRoyOxYPcnNghbW2LZwtdQuwQlTs58wjK BUWgWklGzkLTMQtIyC0nLAkaWVYwaxalFZalFuoaWeklFmekZJbmJmTm6hgamermpxcWJ6ak5 iUnFesn5uZsYgUFez8DAuIPxUb/fIUZJDiYlUd6qLKcIIb6k/JTKjMTijPii0pzU4kOMMhwcS hK83IuBcoJFqempFWmZOcB4g0lLcPAoifDyg6R5iwsSc4sz0yFSpxgVpcR5dy0CSgiAJDJK8+ DaYDF+iVFWSpiXkYGBQYinILUoN7MEVf4VozgHo5Iw70SQKTyZeSVw018BLWYCWtxx3R5kcUk iQkqqgdFIyU5yX8pC9QuFyiIXj951Vyvl+WrOZJm1R3DJyRVaf7ZZdWmrSHo0XBBUKTzrW/nA qlKfuaYxRHor60L9J9Ot6/9nMrLafvmW+FdVaU1+xobWv3edpPzq/8pemKT/t4U/OmXCw0oHp hSjwMXVO6QnPDc4Pe+lnntD9ONAh79e1/4LcRyyUWIpzkg01GIuKk4EAKdlSGvsAgAA X-Env-Sender: david.freedman@uk.clara.net X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-188.messagelabs.com!1480762392!76842112!1 X-Originating-IP: [80.168.41.245] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 9.0.16; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 3339 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2016 10:53:12 -0000 Received: from staff03.mail.eu.clara.net (HELO staff03.mail.eu.clara.net) (80.168.41.245) by server-7.tower-188.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2016 10:53:12 -0000 Received: from [80.168.41.252] (port=41609 helo=SRVGREXCAS02.claranet.local) by staff03.mail.eu.clara.net (staff03.mail.eu.clara.net [80.168.41.245]:25) with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) id 1cD7wN-0006nt-Cf for idr@ietf.org (return-path ); Sat, 03 Dec 2016 10:53:11 +0000 Received: from SRVGREXMB01.claranet.local ([fe80::64bc:5d10:5203:a830]) by SRVGREXCAS02.claranet.local ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0319.002; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:47:45 +0000 From: David Freedman To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt Thread-Index: AdJNTgXIg6oTqyNoQkmKlN+gSmWq4AABKgA3 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:47:44 +0000 Message-ID: <2F606B9F-5966-4A28-9671-BAC5D2759863@uk.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-GB X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 10:53:15 -0000 just had an offlist conversation with job, and he has recommended that I el= aborate on this point as it may be non obvious to some. The GA is intended to be an ASN, but IMHO AS_TRANS is not an ASN, it is a s= ignal between peers in an OPEN exchange and a signal between hops that info= rmation is missing in some way, it is not an ASN in the sense that it shoul= d (or perhaps now even *could*) be used by anybody as a local ASN for a rou= ter. As such I'm aware of code that exists which discriminates against AS_TRANS,= there are various libraries which handle data structures like ASNs (which = could be used in , say , creating or validating a GA field) which would be = very unhappy if fed AS_TRANS as their initial input. I understand we want to progress the draft , and that and a line has to be = drawn between what could be unwise in implementations , vs what could be un= wise to be seen on the internet , and that a registry can exist for the lat= ter , but this is something I feel strongly should live on the former side = , and if a list of values is going to be specified in the draft , I feel th= is should be in it (irony aside). Dave=20 > On 3 Dec 2016, at 10:14, David Freedman wro= te: >=20 > last minute nit: if we are going to recommend that particular reserved AS= Ns are avoided for the global administrator, can we please include AS_TRANS= (RFC6793), there is probably a certain irony in not doing so. >=20 > Dave From nobody Sat Dec 3 05:31:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79AA129664 for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 05:31:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.696 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=umn.edu Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1fUtswJXQA9C for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 05:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta-p7.oit.umn.edu (mta-p7.oit.umn.edu [134.84.196.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 602DD1297BF for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 05:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mta-p7.oit.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D527B9FE for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:31:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at umn.edu Received: from mta-p7.oit.umn.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta-p7.oit.umn.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sTtefppWp6Um for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 07:31:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from mail-qt0-f198.google.com (mail-qt0-f198.google.com [209.85.216.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mta-p7.oit.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ED1161A for ; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 07:31:09 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail-qt0-f198.google.com with SMTP id x26so190508817qtb.6 for ; Sat, 03 Dec 2016 05:31:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umn.edu; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Q0qYCHCYz/1lYA9FuKWY1jp5EVoc7Tk0oTmEM8j8aaU=; b=V/vCezuUYmJitMwnRdnsBemwEhfmkOxI8vOXCNcMXrWQ2U9KgskSwGAUSVH9DqDU4Z D4wJuvPusjQ28on7ozbLG4SyY4nJ2LWohYb9zWRB9bCItji4qhI1yMGv6K7BpAAfE3e9 vi7og0VgHBaOvd/n1u10F6GZDf2DbHq1+/SHoQq5hpgWouRTkYqaUB2B5lC0pUndy4eS gvDY5epRRneF1KC/vomwTD/V318J7tDm/esPUA1i+5FBddBOdW5SPBzahw/5CRf9lxlP xAFR3OnvXKDBQOWd+XB7BLGURad0M5j2KJYw+pVfd1RHIR/qqEoZ9OPXLgX1rjRRXe6L 1EPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Q0qYCHCYz/1lYA9FuKWY1jp5EVoc7Tk0oTmEM8j8aaU=; b=gHCcO4zeR7+QOGeRq27y1KrMZhVljndJS8qA5FRgIpOTaEI0FWZQsHv2nC2ld7bWqg s/A/GaKQmx6TXZhT4rnsOjfPVu4Vct2cduojdoOS2uZlmFuQhEw36IPmItIZKTkhyCfe jc8tmsGQYr6apkPgTTMutW1Fs2rESeTJpmlY+j0Hjqme5Y3bxmtyMyqb2plIkZINHESA lmviEAIopNxrVVxXA09Dsajv2nRPsaRJOXTfPVqa18a9WYXtEX4XW5jgBPHYNmFaJPRe Ylg7SmfhHhmuTNQHH7hY93M2rnr34mQfE4uvZOUmyCv0KZiYsZRVfYyDzYKwM6PqJONB RTBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC01GDnbEBU3l+PXzaLNY9VaLWTaG2Z8jk4xh8MKH9neSTu3Z6/KSzM5zbOcjKSEUoLUTHV8lSjGkXAks3NMi7bVECVXUksricUIvXpd8xJOxTPfq1T2f6fhvv/QXoSXKfe+5tnpUyy7qvA== X-Received: by 10.55.76.150 with SMTP id z144mr41202137qka.194.1480771868982; Sat, 03 Dec 2016 05:31:08 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.55.76.150 with SMTP id z144mr41202126qka.194.1480771868786; Sat, 03 Dec 2016 05:31:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.36.198 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Dec 2016 05:31:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2F606B9F-5966-4A28-9671-BAC5D2759863@uk.clara.net> References: <2F606B9F-5966-4A28-9671-BAC5D2759863@uk.clara.net> From: David Farmer Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 07:31:08 -0600 Message-ID: To: David Freedman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a88683b996b0542c111ff Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 13:31:13 -0000 --001a114a88683b996b0542c111ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I read the new language as a general recommendation, with emphasis on the three specific examples, and not necessary limited the the three listed examples, therefore the recommendation already applies to AS_TRANS [RFC6793]. The use of Reserved ASNs (0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]) is NOT RECOMMENDED. If the intent is to be generic, as I am interpreting it, then maybe this could be clarified a bit by adding a reference to the IANA Special-Purpose ASN Registry with a minor tweak of the language. ...([IANA.SpecialAS], and particularly 0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300])... [IANA.SpecialAS] IANA, "Special-Purpose Autonomous System (AS) Numbers", . Otherwise, if it is intended to apply to only the specified ASNs then maybe that should be clarified and AS_TRANS [RFC6793] added. The use of the following Reserved ASNs is NOT RECOMMENDED, 0 [RFC7607], 23456 [RFC6793], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]. I prefer the recommendation be generic, with emphasis on 0, 65535, and 4294967295, but not limited to those three. That way the recommendation applies to new ASNs added to the IANA Special-Purpose ASN Registry without have to update this specification each time a new Reserved ASN is added. Thanks. On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 4:47 AM, David Freedman wrote: > just had an offlist conversation with job, and he has recommended that I > elaborate on this point as it may be non obvious to some. > > The GA is intended to be an ASN, but IMHO AS_TRANS is not an ASN, it is a > signal between peers in an OPEN exchange and a signal between hops that > information is missing in some way, it is not an ASN in the sense that it > should (or perhaps now even *could*) be used by anybody as a local ASN for > a router. > > As such I'm aware of code that exists which discriminates against > AS_TRANS, there are various libraries which handle data structures like > ASNs (which could be used in , say , creating or validating a GA field) > which would be very unhappy if fed AS_TRANS as their initial input. > > I understand we want to progress the draft , and that and a line has to be > drawn between what could be unwise in implementations , vs what could be > unwise to be seen on the internet , and that a registry can exist for the > latter , but this is something I feel strongly should live on the former > side , and if a list of values is going to be specified in the draft , I > feel this should be in it (irony aside). > > Dave > > > On 3 Dec 2016, at 10:14, David Freedman > wrote: > > > > last minute nit: if we are going to recommend that particular reserved > ASNs are avoided for the global administrator, can we please include > AS_TRANS (RFC6793), there is probably a certain irony in not doing so. > > > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== --001a114a88683b996b0542c111ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I read the new language as a general recommendation, = with emphasis on the three specific examples, and not necessary limited the= the three listed examples, therefore the recommendation=C2=A0already appli= es to AS_TRANS [RFC6793].=C2=A0
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=C2=A0 The u= se of Reserved ASNs (0 [RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300]) is NOT RE= COMMENDED.

If the intent is to be generic, as = I am interpreting it, then maybe this could be clarified a bit by adding a = reference to the IANA Special-Purpose ASN Registry with a minor tweak of th= e language.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0...([IANA.SpecialAS], and particularly 0 [= RFC7607], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300])...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0[IA= NA.SpecialAS]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IANA, &quo= t;Special-Purpose Autonomous System (AS) Numbers",
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 iana-as-numbers-special-registry/>.
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Otherwise, if it is intended to apply to only the specified A= SNs then maybe that should be clarified and AS_TRANS [RFC6793] added.
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=C2=A0 The use of the following Reserved ASNs is NOT RE= COMMENDED, 0 [RFC7607], 23456 [RFC6793], 65535 and 4294967295 [RFC7300].

I prefer the recommendation be generic, with emphasi= s on 0, 65535, and 4294967295, but not limited to those three.=C2=A0 That w= ay the recommendation applies to new ASNs added to the IANA Special-Purpose= ASN Registry without have to update this specification each time a new Res= erved ASN is added.

Thanks.

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at= 4:47 AM, David Freedman <david.freedman@uk.clara.net> wrote:
just had an offlist conversat= ion with job, and he has recommended that I elaborate on this point as it m= ay be non obvious to some.

The GA is intended to be an ASN, but IMHO AS_TRANS is not an ASN, it is a s= ignal between peers in an OPEN exchange and a signal between hops that info= rmation is missing in some way, it is not an ASN in the sense that it shoul= d (or perhaps now even *could*) be used by anybody as a local ASN for a rou= ter.

As such I'm aware of code that exists which discriminates against AS_TR= ANS, there are various libraries which handle data structures like ASNs (wh= ich could be used in , say , creating or validating a GA field) which would= be very unhappy if fed AS_TRANS as their initial input.

I understand we want to progress the draft , and that and a line has to be = drawn between what could be unwise in implementations , vs what could be un= wise to be seen on the internet , and that a registry can exist for the lat= ter , but this is something I feel strongly should live on the former side = , and if a list of values is going to be specified in the draft , I feel th= is should be in it (irony aside).

Dave

> On 3 Dec 2016, at 10:14, David Freedman <david.freedman@uk.clara.net> wrote:
>
> last minute nit: if we are going to recommend that particular reserved= ASNs are avoided for the global administrator, can we please include AS_TR= ANS (RFC6793), there is probably a certain irony in not doing so.
>
> Dave

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Besides, if anyone were to put it into a large community, no harm would be = done other than what would happen if any other unassigned ASN were used. About reserving values, we don't reserve values because the values are unus= able, but because we may want to use them for other purposes later. There i= s no need to reserve another value. 3 is more than enough. Thanks, Jakob. > On Dec 3, 2016, at 2:53 AM, David Freedman = wrote: >=20 > just had an offlist conversation with job, and he has recommended that I = elaborate on this point as it may be non obvious to some. >=20 > The GA is intended to be an ASN, but IMHO AS_TRANS is not an ASN, it is a= signal between peers in an OPEN exchange and a signal between hops that in= formation is missing in some way, it is not an ASN in the sense that it sho= uld (or perhaps now even *could*) be used by anybody as a local ASN for a r= outer. >=20 > As such I'm aware of code that exists which discriminates against AS_TRAN= S, there are various libraries which handle data structures like ASNs (whic= h could be used in , say , creating or validating a GA field) which would b= e very unhappy if fed AS_TRANS as their initial input. >=20 > I understand we want to progress the draft , and that and a line has to b= e drawn between what could be unwise in implementations , vs what could be = unwise to be seen on the internet , and that a registry can exist for the l= atter , but this is something I feel strongly should live on the former sid= e , and if a list of values is going to be specified in the draft , I feel = this should be in it (irony aside). >=20 > Dave=20 >=20 >> On 3 Dec 2016, at 10:14, David Freedman wr= ote: >>=20 >> last minute nit: if we are going to recommend that particular reserved A= SNs are avoided for the global administrator, can we please include AS_TRAN= S (RFC6793), there is probably a certain irony in not doing so. >>=20 >> Dave >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr From nobody Tue Dec 6 07:52:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC2F1294F0; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 07:52:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148103955345.1834.13037904512798298305.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 07:52:33 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 15:52:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Carrying Label Information for BGP FlowSpec Authors : Qiandeng Liang Susan Hares Jianjie You Robert Raszuk Dan Ma Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-flowspec-label-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2016-12-06 Abstract: This document specifies a method in which the label mapping information for a particular FlowSpec rule is piggybacked in the same Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) Update message that is used to distribute the FlowSpec rule. Based on the proposed method, the Label Switching Routers (LSRs) (except the ingress LSR) on the Label Switched Path (LSP) can use label to indentify the traffic matching a particular FlowSpec rule; this facilitates monitoring and traffic statistics for FlowSpec rules. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 6 08:34:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9C0129476; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 08:34:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148104204756.1842.18149052569004984036.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 08:34:07 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-mpls-match-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:34:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : BGP Flow Specification Filter for MPLS Label Authors : Lucy Yong Susan Hares Qiandeng Liang Jianjie You Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-mpls-match-01.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2016-12-06 Abstract: This draft proposes BGP flow specification rules that are used to filter MPLS labeled packets. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-mpls-match/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-mpls-match-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-mpls-match-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Dec 8 01:48:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6CD129CDB; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 01:48:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148119053036.6907.13632564264559046336.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 01:48:50 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-aspath-orf-12.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 09:48:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Dec 8 05:44:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E108512A03C for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 05:44:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.497 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.497 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id keBOnw_QkzYq for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 05:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:5::26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49DAB12A03D for ; Thu, 8 Dec 2016 05:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cEyzV-0003BY-Pc (arjen@us.ntt.net) for idr@ietf.org; Thu, 08 Dec 2016 13:44:06 +0000 From: "Arjen Zonneveld" To: idr@ietf.org Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 14:44:03 +0100 Message-ID: <3DF71C75-EF0F-4BE4-8809-12F61A22A396@us.ntt.net> In-Reply-To: <20161130204903.GH10210@Vurt.local> References: <148052490104.3081.2049626653192295584.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <20161130204903.GH10210@Vurt.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Mailer: MailMate Trial (1.9.6r5310) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-shutdown-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 13:44:09 -0000 Hi all, On 30 Nov 2016, at 21:49, Job Snijders wrote: > Hi all, > > I manually created a PCAP file to show what the shutdown communication > looks like on the wire. This file can be used to test wireshark, > tcpdump > and other packet analysers. > > http://instituut.net/~job/shutdown.pcap > https://code.wireshark.org/review/#/c/19144/ has a patch to analyse the Shutdown Communication packet with wireshark/tshark. Kind regards, Arjen From nobody Fri Dec 9 12:33:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461A1129535; Fri, 9 Dec 2016 12:33:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148131560425.4618.6040339806713157537.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 12:33:24 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-08.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 20:33:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Notification Message support for BGP Graceful Restart Authors : Keyur Patel Rex Fernando John Scudder Jeff Haas Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-08.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2016-12-09 Abstract: The current BGP Graceful Restart mechanism limits the usage of BGP Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other than a BGP NOTIFICATION message. This document defines an extension to the BGP Graceful Restart that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to be performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP NOTIFICATION Message or the Hold Time expires. This document also defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease Error subcode whose effect is to request a full session restart instead of a Graceful Restart. 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This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Notification Message support for BGP Graceful Restart Authors : Keyur Patel Rex Fernando John Scudder Jeff Haas Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-09.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2016-12-10 Abstract: The current BGP Graceful Restart mechanism limits the usage of BGP Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other than a BGP NOTIFICATION message. This document defines an extension to the BGP Graceful Restart that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to be performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP NOTIFICATION Message or the Hold Time expires. This document also defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease Error subcode whose effect is to request a full session restart instead of a Graceful Restart. 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charset="us-ascii" Belatedly closing the loop on this. Comments in line.=20 I note we did a WGLC on this about a year ago :-o . I think this = revision captures all the change requests that came out of that and from = the review. I will follow up to the old WGLC thread, too. Thanks, --John > On Sep 15, 2016, at 4:44 AM, Emmanuel Baccelli = wrote: >=20 > Hi John, >=20 > see comments inline. >=20 > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:43 PM, John G. Scudder > wrote: > Hi Emmanuel, >=20 > Thanks for your review. My questions and comments are in line below. >=20 > --John >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Abstract: > > - for clarity, append at the end of last sentence "and for force a = full > > reset"? >=20 > Changed (in the source, not yet published as 08 pending this = discussion) to "This document also defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease = Error subcode whose effect is to request a full session restart instead = of a Graceful Restart. " >=20 >=20 > Fine with me. > =20 >=20 > > - recall that reserved/unspecified fields must be zeroed (and = ignored)? >=20 > While this is a good suggestion as general practice, it seems beyond = the scope of the present draft. If others disagree and think it's OK for = the present draft to introduce clarifications and modifications to RFC = 4724 beyond the definition of Notification support, I'd be happy to = draft some text. But for now, I'd say it's better to hold this for a = 4724bis. >=20 >=20 > OK. This was just a suggestion. However, see next comment below. > =20 >=20 > > - in Address family flags: remove "deprecated" specification text >=20 > To be clear, you are suggesting this text should be removed? >=20 > "The usage of second most significant bit "N" (which was defined in a > previous draft version of this specification) is deprecated. This bit = MUST > be advertised as 0 and MUST be ignored upon receipt." >=20 > I am inclined to keep it since as it says, a previous version of the = draft did spec such a flag and we have past experience indicating that = this can cause problems when early implementations operate with more = recent ones. What's your reason for wanting to remove the text? >=20 >=20 > I see. But on the other hand, in the long term, you are writing an = RFC, and in my opinion, it is awkward and confusing to have this kind of = text and reference to an early draft version in an RFC. > One solution could be to remove the N bit in the figure and recall = that as per RFC4724 all reserved bits must be set to zero? > The good side is it could fix your problem without referring to "prior = versions of the draft". > The bad side would be that it is not so great to have exactly the same = piece of spec duplicated from RFC4724. > I'm not sure there is a perfect solution here. On consideration, this doesn't seem as though it's one of the cases = where we need to leave a warning for implementors for all time. Although = this is sometimes called for when there has been a rush to implement an = earlier draft, this doesn't seem to be the case for this one. So, in -09 = I've taken a more radical approach to addressing your concern, namely to = remove all text related to the AF flags (implicitly: leaving them alone, = as per RFC 4724). This has the pleasant effect of further simplifying = the document. Thanks! If anyone objects to this change, please speak up. =20 > > Section 4: > > - "When a BGP speaker resets its session due to a HOLDTIME expiry, = it > > should generate..." > > =3D> s/should/SHOULD >=20 > I am not inclined to use of the all-caps RFC 2119 language since this = is not a new requirement imposed by the current specification, it's = merely restating an existing requirement. That is, the word "should" is = being used in its normal English sense. To elaborate, it's my practice = whenever using SHOULD in the RFC 2119 sense, to spend a little effort = considering under what circumstances an implementor might ignore the = "SHOULD" and then discuss those in a "MAY" clause. I think doing that = would be outside the scope of this document. If the word "should" causes = readers pain, I'm happy to revise the sentence in a way that uses a = different word. >=20 >=20 > No strong opinion on that. I let specialists talk it over, if needed. = Else, let's do what you propose. > =20 > > Section 4.1: > > - the last paragraph of section 4.2 of RFC4724 states that support = for the > > stale route retain timer is a MAY. > > It seems appropriate to specify upfront that this timer is now a = MUST? >=20 > It wasn't our intention to make the timer mandatory. Is there a reason = you think it has to be? (As a practical matter, as far as I know all = implementations do support the timer, but I think that's beside the = point.) >=20 >=20 > When one reads the current spec: > on one hand, I understand that you MUST do something when this timer = fires, > on the other hand, in RFC4724, this timer MAY be used. > So one naturally wonders what happens if this timer is not = implemented: can it cause problems? I don't think so, or rather I don't think the present spec changes = whether or not problems could occur. To try to clarify the situation, I = added the word "optional" in -09: "the optional timer mentioned in the = final paragraph of [RFC4724] S. 4.2". Hopefully this helps the reader = understand this was a deliberate choice without requiring a long = explanation. > I was thus suggesting that making this timer mandatory would be = clearer. > If all the implementations you know about have this timer, it seems = like it's a really good idea to have it anyway. > But there again, I let specialists talk it over. >=20 > Best, >=20 > Emmanuel >=20 --Apple-Mail=_215E5693-C012-4402-9223-69F958EF621D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Belatedly closing the loop on this. Comments in = line. 

I note = we did a WGLC on this about a year ago :-o . I think this revision = captures all the change requests that came out of that and from the = review. I will follow up to the old WGLC thread, too.

Thanks,

--John

On Sep 15, 2016, at 4:44 AM, Emmanuel Baccelli <Emmanuel.Baccelli@inria.fr> wrote:

Hi John,

see comments inline.

On Tue, = Sep 13, 2016 at 8:43 PM, John G. Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:
Hi Emmanuel,

Thanks for your review. My questions and comments are in line below.

--John



> Abstract:
> - for clarity, append at the end of last sentence "and for force a = full
> reset"?

Changed (in the source, not yet published as 08 pending this = discussion) to "This document also defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease = Error subcode whose effect is to request a full session restart instead = of a Graceful Restart. "


Fine with me.
 

> - recall that reserved/unspecified fields must be zeroed (and = ignored)?

While this is a good suggestion as general practice, it seems = beyond the scope of the present draft. If others disagree and think it's = OK for the present draft to introduce clarifications and modifications = to RFC 4724 beyond the definition of Notification support, I'd be happy = to draft some text. But for now, I'd say it's better to hold this for a = 4724bis.


OK. This was just a = suggestion. However, see next comment below.
 

> - in Address family flags: remove "deprecated" specification = text

To be clear, you are suggesting this text should be removed?

"The usage of second most significant bit "N" (which was defined in a
previous draft version of this specification) is deprecated. This bit = MUST
be advertised as 0 and MUST be ignored upon receipt."

I am inclined to keep it since as it says, a previous version of the = draft did spec such a flag and we have past experience indicating that = this can cause problems when early implementations operate with more = recent ones.  What's your reason for wanting to remove the text?


I see. But on the other = hand, in the long term, you are writing an RFC, and in my opinion, it is = awkward and confusing to have this kind of text and reference to an = early draft version in an RFC.
One solution could = be to remove the N bit in the figure and recall that as per RFC4724 all = reserved bits must be set to zero?
The good side is = it could fix your problem without referring to "prior versions of the = draft".
The bad side would be that it is not so = great to have exactly the same piece of spec duplicated from = RFC4724.
I'm not sure there is a perfect solution = here.

On consideration, this doesn't seem as though it's one = of the cases where we need to leave a warning for implementors for all = time. Although this is sometimes called for when there has been a rush = to implement an earlier draft, this doesn't seem to be the case for this = one. So, in -09 I've taken a more radical approach to addressing your = concern, namely to remove all text related to the AF flags (implicitly: = leaving them alone, as per RFC 4724). This has the pleasant effect of = further simplifying the document. Thanks!

If anyone objects to this change, please speak = up.
 
> Section 4:
> - "When a BGP speaker resets its session due to a HOLDTIME expiry, = it
> should generate..."
>  =3D> s/should/SHOULD

I am not inclined to use of the all-caps RFC 2119 language since = this is not a new requirement imposed by the current specification, it's = merely restating an existing requirement. That is, the word "should" is = being used in its normal English sense. To elaborate, it's my practice = whenever using SHOULD in the RFC 2119 sense, to spend a little effort = considering under what circumstances an implementor might ignore the = "SHOULD"  and then discuss those in a "MAY"  clause. I think = doing that would be outside the scope of this document. If the word = "should" causes readers pain, I'm happy to revise the sentence in a way = that uses a different word.


No strong opinion on = that. I let specialists talk it over, if needed. Else, let's do what you = propose.
 
> Section 4.1:
> - the last paragraph of section 4.2 of RFC4724 states that support = for the
> stale route retain timer is a MAY.
> It seems appropriate to specify upfront that this timer is now a = MUST?

It wasn't our intention to make the timer mandatory. Is there a = reason you think it has to be? (As a practical matter, as far as I know = all implementations do support the timer, but I think that's beside the = point.)


When one reads the = current spec:
on one hand, I understand that you = MUST do something when this timer fires,
on the = other hand, in RFC4724, this timer MAY be used.
So = one naturally wonders what happens if this timer is not implemented: can = it cause problems?

I don't think so, or rather I don't think the present = spec changes whether or not problems could occur. To try to clarify the = situation, I added the word "optional" in -09: "the optional timer = mentioned in the final paragraph of [RFC4724] S. 4.2". Hopefully this = helps the reader understand this was a deliberate choice without = requiring a long explanation.

I was = thus suggesting that making this timer mandatory would be = clearer.
If all the implementations you know about = have this timer, it seems like it's a really good idea to have it = anyway.
But there again, I let specialists talk it = over.

Best,

Emmanuel


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charset="utf-8" Hi Everybody, My mistake, the WGLC wasn't in 2015, it was in 2014 and the last traffic = to the thread was 2015 :-o. I think that under the circumstances we = probably have to do another one, although I leave the final decision to = my co-chair. FYI the diff from the version that was originally WGLC'd to the current = one = is:https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-= 02&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-09. I believe this resolves = all issues that were raised. Thanks, --John > On May 27, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote: >=20 > Working Group, > =20 > This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-02.txt which will end on 6/10/2014. = Please put within your comments: =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cno-support=E2=80=9D for WG LC.=20 > =20 > Jeff Haas comments that the most recent changes reflect implementation = experience and some word smithing. There is also a minor clarification = in the NOTIFICATION message with respect to including a data byte so the = original reason for the event can be propagated. (See sec. 3.1 in the = diff.) > =20 > The abstract is below.=20 > =20 > Sue Hares > =20 > =20 > ---------- > =20 > Abstract: > The current BGP Graceful Restart mechanism limits the usage of BGP > Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other than a BGP > NOTIFICATION message. This document defines an extension to the = BGP > Graceful Restart that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to be > performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP NOTIFICATION Message. > This document also defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease Error = subcode > to prevent BGP speakers supporting the extension defined in this > document from performing a Graceful Restart. --Apple-Mail=_D1077BE1-570D-42C9-BE40-976EC995196B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Hi Everybody,

My mistake, the WGLC wasn't in 2015, it was in 2014 and the = last traffic to the thread was 2015 :-o. I think that under the = circumstances we probably have to do another one, although I leave the = final decision to my co-chair.

FYI the diff from the version that was = originally WGLC'd to the current one is:https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-= 02&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-09. I believe this = resolves all issues that were raised.

Thanks,

--John

On = May 27, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> = wrote:

Working Group,
 
This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-02.txt which will end on 6/10/2014. =  Please put within your comments:  =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D = or =E2=80=9Cno-support=E2=80=9D for WG LC. 
 
Jeff Haas comments that the most recent changes reflect = implementation experience and some word smithing.  There is also a = minor clarification in the NOTIFICATION message with respect to = including a data byte so the original reason for the event can be = propagated.  (See sec. 3.1 in the diff.)
 
The abstract is below. 
 
Sue Hares
 
 
----------
 
Abstract:
   The current BGP = Graceful Restart mechanism limits the usage of BGP
   Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other = than a BGP
   NOTIFICATION message.  This document = defines an extension to the BGP
   Graceful Restart = that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to be
   performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP = NOTIFICATION Message.
   This document also = defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease Error subcode
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draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-04.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:53:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing Prefix SID extensions for BGP Authors : Stefano Previdi Clarence Filsfils Acee Lindem Keyur Patel Arjun Sreekantiah Saikat Ray Hannes Gredler Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2016-12-12 Abstract: Segment Routing (SR) architecture allows a node to steer a packet flow through any topological path and service chain by leveraging source routing. The ingress node prepends a SR header to a packet containing a set of "segments". Each segment represents a topological or a service-based instruction. Per-flow state is maintained only at the ingress node of the SR domain. This document describes the BGP extension for announcing BGP Prefix Segment Identifier (BGP Prefix SID) information. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-prefix-sid-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Dec 12 10:43:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136C41294A9; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:43:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hcty4R984-4Q; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81312129484; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 10:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([47.186.56.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uBCIhX8r038117 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:43:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.56.40] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: General Area Review Team , draft-ietf-idr-large-community.all@ietf.org, idr@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <07906876-6e21-2df9-c7a0-1270e76fea4e@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:43:33 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C170FFA7834C9F647083ECCD" Archived-At: Subject: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 18:43:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C170FFA7834C9F647083ECCD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like any other last call comments. For more information, please see the FAQ at . Document: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 Reviewer: Robert Sparks Review Date: 12 Dec 2016 IETF LC End Date: 16 Dec 2016 IESG Telechat date: 5 Jan 2017 Summary: Ready with nits First a question (I don't know if this should lead to a change in the document). You say the use of reserved ASNs is NOT RECOMMENDED and later that the attribute MUST NOT be considered malformed if it has a reserved ASN in it. Is it clear what a recipient is supposed to do if one of these reserved ANSs shows up here? If so (for my own education) could you point me to where that's described? Nits: Section 11.3 in the references is only referenced by the implementation status section which you instruct the rfc-editor to delete. Do you intend for the reference to also be deleted? If so, save yourself a round-trip with the RFC-editor and add instructions now. If not, you'll need to find a way to work a reference in that won't be deleted. David Farmer makes a suggestion at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/wHOtQfblIiTPqqXsgcGHZOfMQ_s that looks reasonable to me. Please consider it. The security consideration section start out with a sentence that strongly implies the reader might learn something about the security considerations for this document by reading RFC1997. That document's security considerations section says only that "Security issues are not discussed in this memo." I suggest simply deleting this first sentence. Please also consider if there are other BGP documents with substantive security considerations sections that you can point to instead. --------------C170FFA7834C9F647083ECCD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

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Document: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11
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Summary: Ready with nits

First a question (I don't know if this should lead to a change in the document). You say the use of reserved ASNs is NOT RECOMMENDED and later that the attribute MUST NOT be considered malformed if it has a reserved ASN in it. Is it clear what a recipient is supposed to do if one of these reserved ANSs shows up here? If so (for my own education) could you point me to where that's described?

Nits:

Section 11.3 in the references is only referenced by the implementation status section which you instruct the rfc-editor to delete. Do you intend for the reference to also be deleted? If so, save yourself a round-trip with the RFC-editor and add instructions now. If not, you'll need to find a way to work a reference in that won't be deleted.

David Farmer makes a suggestion at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/wHOtQfblIiTPqqXsgcGHZOfMQ_s that looks reasonable to me. Please consider it.

The security consideration section start out with a sentence that strongly implies the reader might learn something about the security considerations for this document by reading RFC1997. That document's security considerations section says only that "Security issues are not discussed in this memo." I suggest simply deleting this first sentence. Please also consider if there are other BGP documents with substantive security considerations sections that you can point to instead.

--------------C170FFA7834C9F647083ECCD-- From nobody Mon Dec 12 11:12:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C893512961C; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:12:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.831 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.831 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8AP_SDEN8F5n; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:5::26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D85FB12949F; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail3.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGW14-0002Qc-4C (job@us.ntt.net); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:12:03 +0000 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:11:59 +0100 From: Job Snijders To: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <20161212191159.GF75593@Vurt.local> References: <07906876-6e21-2df9-c7a0-1270e76fea4e@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <07906876-6e21-2df9-c7a0-1270e76fea4e@nostrum.com> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, General Area Review Team , draft-ietf-idr-large-community.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:12:06 -0000 Dear Robert, On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:43:33PM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by > the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like > any other last call comments. Thank you for taking the time to review this document! > Document: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > Review Date: 12 Dec 2016 > IETF LC End Date: 16 Dec 2016 > IESG Telechat date: 5 Jan 2017 > > Summary: Ready with nits > > First a question (I don't know if this should lead to a change in the > document). You say the use of reserved ASNs is NOT RECOMMENDED and > later that the attribute MUST NOT be considered malformed if it has a > reserved ASN in it. Is it clear what a recipient is supposed to do if > one of these reserved ANSs shows up here? If so (for my own education) > could you point me to where that's described? If two ASNs agree to exchange Large Communities with each other where the mutually agreed upon Global Administrator value happens to be a reserved ASN, that is something for those two networks to decide. The key point here is that implementations must not impose any restrictions on the uint32 value in the Global Administrator field. It is entirely at the operator's discretion what to do with any Large Community, this applies to reserved and non-reserved values. The document recommends people to use their globally unique ASN, but this will not be enforced through implementations. The security section refers to "Network administrators should note the recommendations in Section 11 of BGP Operations and Security [RFC7454]." There is some wisdom there to be gleaned. > Nits: > > Section 11.3 in the references is only referenced by the implementation > status section which you instruct the rfc-editor to delete. Do you intend > for the reference to also be deleted? If so, save yourself a round-trip with > the RFC-editor and add instructions now. If not, you'll need to find a way > to work a reference in that won't be deleted. Yes, the intention is that the reference to RFC7942 is to be deleted before publication. This is my mistake: I mistook the hyperlink in https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7942#section-2.1 to be a reference, but its just an automagically converted hyperlink. We'll remove the reference in the next version. > David Farmer makes a suggestion at > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/wHOtQfblIiTPqqXsgcGHZOfMQ_s that > looks reasonable to me. Please consider it. I do not believe there is consensus at this moment to make a blanket recommendation based on the contents of the registry (whatever they may be in the future), but rather work with the precise and concise approach which is currently described. Jakob Heitz responded to the suggestion to extend the reserved Global Administrator values, but for some reason I can't find that email in the IETF IDR archive, I've copy+pasted it here: ------------- Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 03:16:52 +0100 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: David Freedman Cc: "idr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt No new text is required to cover this: 23456 is not an ASN. Besides, if anyone were to put it into a large community, no harm would be done other than what would happen if any other unassigned ASN were used. About reserving values, we don't reserve values because the values are unusable, but because we may want to use them for other purposes later. There is no need to reserve another value. 3 is more than enough. Thanks, Jakob. -------------- In addition to the above, although the document does not define any Special-Use BGP Large Communities, the Global Administrator values specified in Section 2 (0, 65535, 4294967295) could be used if there is a future need for them. The purpose of recommending that these values are not to be used is not because there is harm in doing so, but to leave the door open for future things (should they ever arise). From this perspective a blanket reservation based on the ASN registry wouldn't make sense for me. > The security consideration section start out with a sentence that > strongly implies the reader might learn something about the security > considerations for this document by reading RFC1997. That document's > security considerations section says only that "Security issues are > not discussed in this memo." The reference to RFC 1997 was meant to leverage 20 years of experience with implementing and operating networks which use RFC 1997 communities. I agree that the security section of RFC 1997 is somewhat sparse, but the principle still applies: RFC 1997 and Large Communities have similar security implications, even if they are not properly documented in RFC 1997. > I suggest simply deleting this first sentence. Please also consider if > there are other BGP documents with substantive security considerations > sections that you can point to instead. A reference to RFC 7454 is included, I am not aware of other specific resources that can be pointed at. Kind regards, Job From nobody Mon Dec 12 11:52:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FB812948D; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:52:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dsseq3Npi0g7; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73E75129464; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([47.186.56.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uBCJqffj045168 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:52:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.56.40] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: Job Snijders References: <07906876-6e21-2df9-c7a0-1270e76fea4e@nostrum.com> <20161212191159.GF75593@Vurt.local> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <8dc27460-a500-3948-0a61-da4dd2baf66b@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:52:41 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20161212191159.GF75593@Vurt.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, General Area Review Team , draft-ietf-idr-large-community.all@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:52:44 -0000 On 12/12/16 1:11 PM, Job Snijders wrote: > Dear Robert, > > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:43:33PM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: >> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area >> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by >> the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like >> any other last call comments. > Thank you for taking the time to review this document! > >> Document: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 >> Reviewer: Robert Sparks >> Review Date: 12 Dec 2016 >> IETF LC End Date: 16 Dec 2016 >> IESG Telechat date: 5 Jan 2017 >> >> Summary: Ready with nits >> >> First a question (I don't know if this should lead to a change in the >> document). You say the use of reserved ASNs is NOT RECOMMENDED and >> later that the attribute MUST NOT be considered malformed if it has a >> reserved ASN in it. Is it clear what a recipient is supposed to do if >> one of these reserved ANSs shows up here? If so (for my own education) >> could you point me to where that's described? > If two ASNs agree to exchange Large Communities with each other where > the mutually agreed upon Global Administrator value happens to be a > reserved ASN, that is something for those two networks to decide. The > key point here is that implementations must not impose any restrictions > on the uint32 value in the Global Administrator field. It is entirely at > the operator's discretion what to do with any Large Community, this > applies to reserved and non-reserved values. > > The document recommends people to use their globally unique ASN, but > this will not be enforced through implementations. Thanks for the explanation. It would have avoided the question if the document said that - consider explicitly adding the key point you point to. > > The security section refers to "Network administrators should note the > recommendations in Section 11 of BGP Operations and Security [RFC7454]." > There is some wisdom there to be gleaned. > >> Nits: >> >> Section 11.3 in the references is only referenced by the implementation >> status section which you instruct the rfc-editor to delete. Do you intend >> for the reference to also be deleted? If so, save yourself a round-trip with >> the RFC-editor and add instructions now. If not, you'll need to find a way >> to work a reference in that won't be deleted. > Yes, the intention is that the reference to RFC7942 is to be deleted > before publication. > > This is my mistake: I mistook the hyperlink in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7942#section-2.1 to be a reference, but > its just an automagically converted hyperlink. We'll remove the > reference in the next version. > >> David Farmer makes a suggestion at >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/wHOtQfblIiTPqqXsgcGHZOfMQ_s that >> looks reasonable to me. Please consider it. > I do not believe there is consensus at this moment to make a blanket > recommendation based on the contents of the registry (whatever they > may be in the future), but rather work with the precise and concise > approach which is currently described. > > Jakob Heitz responded to the suggestion to extend the reserved Global > Administrator values, but for some reason I can't find that email in the > IETF IDR archive, I've copy+pasted it here: > > ------------- > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 03:16:52 +0100 > From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" > To: David Freedman > Cc: "idr@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt > > No new text is required to cover this: 23456 is not an ASN. > Besides, if anyone were to put it into a large community, no harm > would be done other than what would happen if any other unassigned > ASN were used. > > About reserving values, we don't reserve values because the values > are unusable, but because we may want to use them for other purposes > later. There is no need to reserve another value. 3 is more than > enough. > > Thanks, > Jakob. > -------------- > > In addition to the above, although the document does not define any > Special-Use BGP Large Communities, the Global Administrator values > specified in Section 2 (0, 65535, 4294967295) could be used if there is > a future need for them. The purpose of recommending that these values > are not to be used is not because there is harm in doing so, but to > leave the door open for future things (should they ever arise). From > this perspective a blanket reservation based on the ASN registry > wouldn't make sense for me. WFM, but please get your chairs to chase down why the message didn't make it to the archive. > >> The security consideration section start out with a sentence that >> strongly implies the reader might learn something about the security >> considerations for this document by reading RFC1997. That document's >> security considerations section says only that "Security issues are >> not discussed in this memo." > The reference to RFC 1997 was meant to leverage 20 years of experience > with implementing and operating networks which use RFC 1997 communities. Well, sure, but where is that 20 years of experience written down for the next implementer or operator? The existing pointer essentially has the semantic of "if you need to know you already know"... > I agree that the security section of RFC 1997 is somewhat sparse, but > the principle still applies: RFC 1997 and Large Communities have similar > security implications, even if they are not properly documented in RFC > 1997. So, I _think_ your intent was to document them here. > >> I suggest simply deleting this first sentence. I still think that's the right thing to do. >> Please also consider if >> there are other BGP documents with substantive security considerations >> sections that you can point to instead. > A reference to RFC 7454 is included, I am not aware of other specific > resources that can be pointed at. > > Kind regards, > > Job From nobody Mon Dec 12 11:57:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EBE12956A; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:57:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BgPEvMuYmVmD; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 090FC1294C7; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 11:57:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=6698; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1481572641; x=1482782241; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=TppuIxMQ4DjSjFR7u0aY5zF92O6wPA57EFh00Iabs0Y=; b=dVS6Cn+vrV0d3gQEkFYISsfHOAO/kvQSLVS3qHUPrHcZefCFWre+DzLG BWRzy/MuNFwzxqOmsQWqz3aC73xX3wOFsQ+2ihE8AlZwQ95quzIbyyNRb vpictI67vPuvS35zTBTz0t9hbRlalC4WvkxVTA1mjosbkjfZmT0uRpbYU w=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AeAQAqAE9Y/4cNJK1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgzcBAQEBAR9agQYHjUKXFJUEgggpgkKDNgKBdz8UAQIBAQEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BYiiEaAEBAQQ6LRIMBAIBCBEDAQEBAR4JBzIUCQgCBAENBQgMAohVDq4Qiw8BA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEYBYY+hFuEGhEBhX0FiGOSCAGGTopOgXyFAIl?= =?us-ascii?q?TjguEDgEfN2I9g16BfnIBhWGBIYENAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.33,338,1477958400"; d="scan'208";a="358415391" Received: from alln-core-2.cisco.com ([173.36.13.135]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 12 Dec 2016 19:57:19 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (xch-rcd-015.cisco.com [173.37.102.25]) by alln-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uBCJvJcC011472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:57:19 GMT Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com (173.36.7.24) by XCH-RCD-015.cisco.com (173.37.102.25) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:19 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) by XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com ([173.36.7.24]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 13:57:19 -0600 From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" To: Job Snijders , Robert Sparks Thread-Topic: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 Thread-Index: AQHSVKerCdDPBKsVM06yo0IndsoqH6EFEn6A//+lWXA= Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:57:19 +0000 Message-ID: <4c2a0eab4665481782abef13cfbdca43@XCH-ALN-014.cisco.com> References: <07906876-6e21-2df9-c7a0-1270e76fea4e@nostrum.com> <20161212191159.GF75593@Vurt.local> In-Reply-To: <20161212191159.GF75593@Vurt.local> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.154.162.196] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , General Area Review Team , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 19:57:23 -0000 A little more context regarding reserved communities: The RFC 1997 reserved community values 65535:* will be presented to the routing policy when received, just like any other community values. The routing policy can match on them and set or delete them, just like any other community values. The only difference is that the router takes the action prescribed by an assigned reserved community value, in most cases. I.e., it is not even required that the routing software take the prescribed action. The routing policy could do it just as well. This carries over to large communities. Thanks, Jakob. > -----Original Message----- > From: Job Snijders [mailto:job@ntt.net] > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:12 AM > To: Robert Sparks > Cc: General Area Review Team ; draft-ietf-idr-large-com= munity.all@ietf.org; idr@ietf.org; > ietf@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 >=20 > Dear Robert, >=20 > On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:43:33PM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: > > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed by > > the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just like > > any other last call comments. >=20 > Thank you for taking the time to review this document! >=20 > > Document: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 > > Reviewer: Robert Sparks > > Review Date: 12 Dec 2016 > > IETF LC End Date: 16 Dec 2016 > > IESG Telechat date: 5 Jan 2017 > > > > Summary: Ready with nits > > > > First a question (I don't know if this should lead to a change in the > > document). You say the use of reserved ASNs is NOT RECOMMENDED and > > later that the attribute MUST NOT be considered malformed if it has a > > reserved ASN in it. Is it clear what a recipient is supposed to do if > > one of these reserved ANSs shows up here? If so (for my own education) > > could you point me to where that's described? >=20 > If two ASNs agree to exchange Large Communities with each other where > the mutually agreed upon Global Administrator value happens to be a > reserved ASN, that is something for those two networks to decide. The > key point here is that implementations must not impose any restrictions > on the uint32 value in the Global Administrator field. It is entirely at > the operator's discretion what to do with any Large Community, this > applies to reserved and non-reserved values. >=20 > The document recommends people to use their globally unique ASN, but > this will not be enforced through implementations. >=20 > The security section refers to "Network administrators should note the > recommendations in Section 11 of BGP Operations and Security [RFC7454]." > There is some wisdom there to be gleaned. >=20 > > Nits: > > > > Section 11.3 in the references is only referenced by the implementation > > status section which you instruct the rfc-editor to delete. Do you inte= nd > > for the reference to also be deleted? If so, save yourself a round-trip= with > > the RFC-editor and add instructions now. If not, you'll need to find a = way > > to work a reference in that won't be deleted. >=20 > Yes, the intention is that the reference to RFC7942 is to be deleted > before publication. >=20 > This is my mistake: I mistook the hyperlink in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7942#section-2.1 to be a reference, but > its just an automagically converted hyperlink. We'll remove the > reference in the next version. >=20 > > David Farmer makes a suggestion at > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/wHOtQfblIiTPqqXsgcGHZOfMQ_s t= hat > > looks reasonable to me. Please consider it. >=20 > I do not believe there is consensus at this moment to make a blanket > recommendation based on the contents of the registry (whatever they > may be in the future), but rather work with the precise and concise > approach which is currently described. >=20 > Jakob Heitz responded to the suggestion to extend the reserved Global > Administrator values, but for some reason I can't find that email in the > IETF IDR archive, I've copy+pasted it here: >=20 > ------------- > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 03:16:52 +0100 > From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" > To: David Freedman > Cc: "idr@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-com= munity-11.txt >=20 > No new text is required to cover this: 23456 is not an ASN. > Besides, if anyone were to put it into a large community, no harm > would be done other than what would happen if any other unassigned > ASN were used. >=20 > About reserving values, we don't reserve values because the values > are unusable, but because we may want to use them for other purposes > later. There is no need to reserve another value. 3 is more than > enough. >=20 > Thanks, > Jakob. > -------------- >=20 > In addition to the above, although the document does not define any > Special-Use BGP Large Communities, the Global Administrator values > specified in Section 2 (0, 65535, 4294967295) could be used if there is > a future need for them. The purpose of recommending that these values > are not to be used is not because there is harm in doing so, but to > leave the door open for future things (should they ever arise). From > this perspective a blanket reservation based on the ASN registry > wouldn't make sense for me. >=20 > > The security consideration section start out with a sentence that > > strongly implies the reader might learn something about the security > > considerations for this document by reading RFC1997. That document's > > security considerations section says only that "Security issues are > > not discussed in this memo." >=20 > The reference to RFC 1997 was meant to leverage 20 years of experience > with implementing and operating networks which use RFC 1997 communities. > I agree that the security section of RFC 1997 is somewhat sparse, but > the principle still applies: RFC 1997 and Large Communities have similar > security implications, even if they are not properly documented in RFC > 1997. >=20 > > I suggest simply deleting this first sentence. Please also consider if > > there are other BGP documents with substantive security considerations > > sections that you can point to instead. >=20 > A reference to RFC 7454 is included, I am not aware of other specific > resources that can be pointed at. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > Job From nobody Mon Dec 12 12:32:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCB0129491; Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:32:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -17.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-17.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , General Area Review Team , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:32:32 -0000 > > > > Jakob Heitz responded to the suggestion to extend the reserved Global > > Administrator values, but for some reason I can't find that email in th= e > > IETF IDR archive, I've copy+pasted it here: > > > > ------------- > > Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 03:16:52 +0100 > > From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" > > To: David Freedman > > Cc: "idr@ietf.org" > > Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-c= ommunity-11.txt > > > > No new text is required to cover this: 23456 is not an ASN. > > Besides, if anyone were to put it into a large community, no harm > > would be done other than what would happen if any other unassigned > > ASN were used. > > > > About reserving values, we don't reserve values because the values > > are unusable, but because we may want to use them for other purpos= es > > later. There is no need to reserve another value. 3 is more than > > enough. > > > > Thanks, > > Jakob. > > -------------- > > > WFM, but please get your chairs to chase down why the message didn't > make it to the archive. It shows up in the other archive: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg17255.html Thanks, Jakob. From nobody Tue Dec 13 16:12:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8A2129407; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:12:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.39.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148167434857.10859.14815880012208481023.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:12:28 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-14.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:12:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Extended Message support for BGP Authors : Randy Bush Keyur Patel Dave Ward Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-14.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2016-12-13 Abstract: The BGP specification mandates a maximum BGP message size of 4096 octets. As BGP is extended to support newer AFI/SAFIs, there is a need to extend the maximum message size beyond 4096 octets. This document updates the BGP specification by providing an extension to BGP to extend its current message size from 4096 octets to 65535 octets. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-14 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-14 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Dec 13 16:13:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982A8129407 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:13:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.797 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.797 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ECztH4IlXZCC for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 879DC1294DF for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 16:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cGxCE-0005Wi-S6 for idr@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:13:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:13:21 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: idr@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <148167434857.10859.14815880012208481023.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <148167434857.10859.14815880012208481023.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/24.5 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-14.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:13:25 -0000 just a refresh From nobody Wed Dec 14 01:00:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876B612952F for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 01:00:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SzUIWaScvQn1 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 01:00:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx5.zte.com.cn (mx5.zte.com.cn [63.217.80.70]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853831294FD for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 01:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-MAILFROM: X-RCPTTO: X-FROMIP: 10.30.3.20 X-SEG-Scaned: 1 X-Received: unknown,10.30.3.20,20161214165828 Received: from unknown (HELO mse01.zte.com.cn) (10.30.3.20) by localhost with (AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 14 Dec 2016 08:58:28 -0000 Received: from notes_smtp.zte.com.cn ([10.30.1.239]) by mse01.zte.com.cn with ESMTP id uBE8xrKh034413; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:59:53 +0800 (GMT-8) (envelope-from zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn) In-Reply-To: To: "Idr" , robert@raszuk.net, idr@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sensitivity: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.4 March 27, 2005 Message-ID: From: zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 16:59:59 +0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on notes_smtp/zte_ltd(Release 8.5.3FP6|November 21, 2013) at 2016-12-14 16:59:34, Serialize complete at 2016-12-14 16:59:34 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00316E7048258089_=" X-MAIL: mse01.zte.com.cn uBE8xrKh034413 X-HQIP: 127.0.0.1 Archived-At: Cc: zhu.xiaolong@zte.com.cn, shen.yiming@zte.com.cn, zhu.tong@zte.com.cn Subject: [Idr] One question about "Terminal Action bit" in RFC5575 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:00:32 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00316E7048258089_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi all, About RFC5575, it seems like that the definition of "Terminal Action bit" is blurred. In section 7, the "Terminal Action bit" is defined as follows: Terminal Action (bit 47): When this bit is set, the traffic filtering engine will apply any subsequent filtering rules (as defined by the ordering procedure). If not set, the evaluation of the traffic filter stops when this rule is applied. How can routers do when many rules that define variant actions are applied to a same flow? For example, there are four rules that can be applied to one same flow. And the sequence has been determined as below. When router executes rule 1, the "Terminal Action Bit" is set. It indicated that next rule should be executed. When router execute rule 2, which action should be executed? Only redirect? Or/and traffic-marking? Which traffic-rate should be selected? rule 1 traffic-rate: 10Mbps traffic-marking: DSCP=10 traffic-action: T=1 S=1 rule 2 traffic-rate: 20Mbps redirect: nexthop = 192.168.1.2 traffic-action: T=0 S=0 rule 3 traffic-rate: 30Mbps traffic-marking: DSCP=30 redirect: nexthop = 192.168.2.2 traffic-action: T=1 S=1 rule 4 traffic-rate: 40Mbps traffic-marking: DSCP=40 traffic-action: T=0 S=0 --=_alternative 00316E7048258089_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi all,

    About RFC5575, it seems like that the definition of "Terminal
Action bit" is blurred.

    In section 7, the "Terminal Action bit" is defined as follows:
Terminal Action (bit 47): When this bit is set, the traffic filtering
engine will apply any subsequent filtering rules (as defined by the
ordering procedure).  If not set, the evaluation of the traffic filter
stops when this rule is applied.

    How can routers do when many rules that define variant actions
are applied to a same flow?

   For example, there are four rules that can be applied to one same flow.
And the sequence has been determined as below. When router executes rule 1,
the "Terminal Action Bit" is set. It indicated that next rule should be
executed. When router execute rule 2, which action should be executed?
Only redirect? Or/and traffic-marking? Which traffic-rate should be
selected?

rule 1

   traffic-rate: 10Mbps

   traffic-marking: DSCP=10

   traffic-action: T=1 S=1


rule 2

   traffic-rate: 20Mbps

   redirect: nexthop = 192.168.1.2

   traffic-action: T=0 S=0


rule 3

   traffic-rate: 30Mbps

   traffic-marking: DSCP=30

   redirect: nexthop = 192.168.2.2

   traffic-action: T=1 S=1  
                 

rule 4

   traffic-rate: 40Mbps

   traffic-marking: DSCP=40

   traffic-action: T=0 S=0

--=_alternative 00316E7048258089_=-- From nobody Wed Dec 14 02:59:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC88C129D30; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:59:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SzDH0DErfRXW; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:59:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hated.at (mail.hated.at [86.59.35.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B03FA129D31; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 02:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from 80-110-80-178.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at ([80.110.80.178] helo=[192.168.66.245]) by mail.hated.at with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1cH77f-0003iZ-1v; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:49:21 +0100 From: Christoph Loibl Message-Id: <5DB3C819-FEAE-48A7-A755-E1683E410D16@tix.at> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B0A33760-352C-41EC-9FFD-72861888968F" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 11:58:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Archived-At: Cc: zhu.xiaolong@zte.com.cn, idr@ietf.org, robert@raszuk.net, shen.yiming@zte.com.cn, Idr , zhu.tong@zte.com.cn Subject: Re: [Idr] One question about "Terminal Action bit" in RFC5575 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 10:59:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B0A33760-352C-41EC-9FFD-72861888968F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Your example perfectly makes sense to me, and I understand that there = are several sections in RFC5575 that are a little unclear. RFC5575 does = not explain what should happen in your case, nor does it explain = anything in case of action-interference. This is why we currently working on a rfc557bis that should help us to = fix those problems and improve interoperability for flowspec. Have a = look at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hr-idr-rfc5575bis/ = Section 7.6. Rules on Traffic Action Interference During writing this section we were actually discussing single flowspec = NLRIs with conflicting actions like: rule 1 traffic-rate: 10Mbps traffic-rate: 20Mbps or rule 1 redirect: A redirect: B I think we shall extend this section to also explain your case. = Currently this is not explained even in our submitted draft = draft-hr-idr-rfc5575bis = latest = revision. In that case it may make sense to have a "latest" action wins = behaviour. I suggest the following behaviour (this is nowhere written = yet): Suggestion: In your example the action for a flow matching all your = rules should be a merge of rule 1 and rule 2: > rule 1=20 >=20 > traffic-rate: 10Mbps=20 >=20 > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10=20 >=20 > traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1=20 >=20 after this rule 2 gets applied >=20 > rule 2=20 >=20 > traffic-rate: 20Mbps=20 >=20 > redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2=20 >=20 > traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0=20 >=20 The resulting action for that flow is: traffic-rate: 20Mbps traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10 redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2 Since on the second rule the terminal-bit is 0 there is no other rule to = be evaluated. To the "latest" applied action wins. However this is only one suggested = behaviour. There are plenty of other options. It should also be = considered that implementing such a behaviour may not be trivial. Christoph > On 14 Dec 2016, at 09:59, zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn wrote: >=20 >=20 > Hi all,=20 >=20 > About RFC5575, it seems like that the definition of "Terminal=20 > Action bit" is blurred.=20 >=20 > In section 7, the "Terminal Action bit" is defined as follows:=20 > Terminal Action (bit 47): When this bit is set, the traffic filtering=20= > engine will apply any subsequent filtering rules (as defined by the=20 > ordering procedure). If not set, the evaluation of the traffic filter=20= > stops when this rule is applied.=20 >=20 > How can routers do when many rules that define variant actions=20 > are applied to a same flow?=20 >=20 > For example, there are four rules that can be applied to one same = flow.=20 > And the sequence has been determined as below. When router executes = rule 1,=20 > the "Terminal Action Bit" is set. It indicated that next rule should = be=20 > executed. When router execute rule 2, which action should be executed?=20= > Only redirect? Or/and traffic-marking? Which traffic-rate should be=20 > selected?=20 >=20 > rule 1=20 >=20 > traffic-rate: 10Mbps=20 >=20 > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10=20 >=20 > traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1=20 >=20 >=20 > rule 2=20 >=20 > traffic-rate: 20Mbps=20 >=20 > redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2=20 >=20 > traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0=20 >=20 >=20 > rule 3=20 >=20 > traffic-rate: 30Mbps=20 >=20 > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D30=20 >=20 > redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.2.2=20 >=20 > traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1 =20 > =20 >=20 > rule 4=20 >=20 > traffic-rate: 40Mbps=20 >=20 > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D40=20 >=20 > traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr --=20 Christoph Loibl c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | = http://www.nextlayer.at --Apple-Mail=_B0A33760-352C-41EC-9FFD-72861888968F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi,

Your = example perfectly makes sense to me, and I understand that there are = several sections in RFC5575 that are a little unclear. RFC5575 does not = explain what should happen in your case, nor does it explain anything in = case of action-interference.

This is why we currently working on a = rfc557bis that should help us to fix those problems and improve = interoperability for flowspec. Have a look at:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hr-idr-rfc5575bis/
Section 7.6. Rules on Traffic = Action Interference

During = writing this section we were actually discussing single flowspec NLRIs = with conflicting actions like:

rule 1
  =   traffic-rate: 10Mbps
    = traffic-rate: 20Mbps

or

rule 1
   redirect: = A
   redirect: B

I think we shall extend this section to = also explain your case. Currently this is not explained even in our = submitted draft draft-hr-idr-rfc5575bis latest revision. In that = case it may make sense to have a "latest" action wins behaviour. I = suggest the following behaviour (this is nowhere written yet):

Suggestion: In your = example the action for a flow matching all your rules should be a merge = of rule 1 and rule 2:

rule 1 

  =  traffic-rate: 10Mbps 

   traffic-marking: = DSCP=3D10 

   traffic-action: T=3D1 = S=3D1 


after this rule 2 gets = applied


rule = 2 

   traffic-rate: = 20Mbps 

   redirect: nexthop =3D = 192.168.1.2 

   traffic-action: T=3D0 = S=3D0 


The resulting action for = that flow is:

    traffic-rate: 20Mbps
  =   traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10
    = redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2

Since on the second rule the = terminal-bit is 0 there is no other rule to be evaluated.

To the "latest" applied = action wins. However this is only one suggested behaviour. There are = plenty of other options. It should also be considered that implementing = such a behaviour may not be trivial.

Christoph


On = 14 Dec 2016, at 09:59, zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn wrote:


Hi = all,

  =   About RFC5575, it seems like that the definition of "Terminal
Action = bit" is blurred.

  =   In section 7, the "Terminal Action bit" is defined as follows:
Terminal = Action (bit 47): When this bit is set, the traffic filtering
engine = will apply any subsequent filtering rules (as defined by the
ordering = procedure).  If not set, the evaluation of the traffic filter
stops = when this rule is applied.

  =   How can routers do when many rules that define variant actions
are = applied to a same flow?

  =  For example, there are four rules that can be applied to one same flow.
And the = sequence has been determined as below. When router executes rule 1,
the = "Terminal Action Bit" is set. It indicated that next rule should be
executed. = When router execute rule 2, which action should be executed?
Only = redirect? Or/and traffic-marking? Which traffic-rate should be
selected?

rule = 1

  =  traffic-rate: 10Mbps

  =  traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10

  =  traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1


rule = 2

  =  traffic-rate: 20Mbps

  =  redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2

  =  traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0


rule = 3

  =  traffic-rate: 30Mbps

  =  traffic-marking: DSCP=3D30

  =  redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.2.2

  =  traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1  
  =                

rule = 4

  =  traffic-rate: 40Mbps

  =  traffic-marking: DSCP=3D40

  =  traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0

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= --Apple-Mail=_B0A33760-352C-41EC-9FFD-72861888968F-- From nobody Wed Dec 14 06:20:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936471299E8; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:20:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.796 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.796 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-2.896] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KAzuSu8SXs7D; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 012711296D0; Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([47.186.56.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uBEEK811012009 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:20:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.56.40] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" , Job Snijders References: <07906876-6e21-2df9-c7a0-1270e76fea4e@nostrum.com> <20161212191159.GF75593@Vurt.local> <8dc27460-a500-3948-0a61-da4dd2baf66b@nostrum.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:20:10 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "idr@ietf.org" , General Area Review Team , "draft-ietf-idr-large-community.all@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Idr] Genart LC review: draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:20:14 -0000 On 12/12/16 2:32 PM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: >>> Jakob Heitz responded to the suggestion to extend the reserved Global >>> Administrator values, but for some reason I can't find that email in the >>> IETF IDR archive, I've copy+pasted it here: >>> >>> ------------- >>> Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 03:16:52 +0100 >>> From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" >>> To: David Freedman >>> Cc: "idr@ietf.org" >>> Subject: Re: [Idr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11.txt >>> >>> No new text is required to cover this: 23456 is not an ASN. >>> Besides, if anyone were to put it into a large community, no harm >>> would be done other than what would happen if any other unassigned >>> ASN were used. >>> >>> About reserving values, we don't reserve values because the values >>> are unusable, but because we may want to use them for other purposes >>> later. There is no need to reserve another value. 3 is more than >>> enough. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jakob. >>> -------------- >>> >> WFM, but please get your chairs to chase down why the message didn't >> make it to the archive. > It shows up in the other archive: > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr/current/msg17255.html There was an issue (for about 200 messages) in the indexing in the mailarchive tool that has been repaired. This particular message is at Thanks again for spotting the issue. > > > Thanks, > Jakob. 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zhu.xiaolong@zte.com.cn, idr wg , shen.yiming@zte.com.cn, Idr , zhu.tong@zte.com.cn Subject: Re: [Idr] One question about "Terminal Action bit" in RFC5575 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:57:04 -0000 --94eb2c075ab4e187d50543b4800f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Sandy, =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B> 2, What=E2=80=99s the benefit of "Terminal Action bit"? The meaning of this flag was to indicate requirement analogy of "continue" statement when executing your traffic filtering actions on the matched traffic. Example - you may want to redirect to a vrf with or without remarking the traffic with different. Not really much more to it. Best regards, R. On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 10:34 AM, wrote: > > Hi Christoph, > > Thank you very much for your response. Glad to hear that the RFC > will be revised Clearly. > > From your specification, I have two questions for it: > > 1, If it is valid that define the same action with different > values in one same rule? > > =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B > 2, What=E2=80=99s the benefit of "Terminal Action bit"? I think that your > action merging may be one of the solutions. But the network manager > cannot get the result from the same rule directly. It may cause the > confusion of network manager, isn't it? > > Thanks, > Sandy > > Christoph Loibl =E5=86=99=E4=BA=8E 2016/12/14 18:58:53: > > > Hi, > > > > Your example perfectly makes sense to me, and I understand that > > there are several sections in RFC5575 that are a little unclear. > > RFC5575 does not explain what should happen in your case, nor does > > it explain anything in case of action-interference. > > > > This is why we currently working on a rfc557bis that should help us > > to fix those problems and improve interoperability for flowspec. > > Have a look at: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hr-idr-rfc5575bis/ > > Section 7.6. Rules on Traffic Action Interference > > > > During writing this section we were actually discussing single > > flowspec NLRIs with conflicting actions like: > > > > rule 1 > > traffic-rate: 10Mbps > > traffic-rate: 20Mbps > > > > or > > > > rule 1 > > redirect: A > > redirect: B > > > > I think we shall extend this section to also explain your case. > > Currently this is not explained even in our submitted draft draft- > > hr-idr-rfc5575bis latest revision. In that case it may make sense to > > > have a "latest" action wins behaviour. I suggest the following > > behaviour (this is nowhere written yet): > > > > > Suggestion: In your example the action for a flow matching all your > > rules should be a merge of rule 1 and rule 2: > > > > rule 1 > > > > traffic-rate: 10Mbps > > > > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10 > > > > traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1 > > > > > after this rule 2 gets applied > > > > > > rule 2 > > > > traffic-rate: 20Mbps > > > > redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2 > > > > traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0 > > > > > The resulting action for that flow is: > > > > traffic-rate: 20Mbps > > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10 > > redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2 > > > > Since on the second rule the terminal-bit is 0 there is no other > > rule to be evaluated. > > > > To the "latest" applied action wins. However this is only one > > suggested behaviour. There are plenty of other options. It should > > also be considered that implementing such a behaviour may not be trivia= l. > > > > Christoph > > > > On 14 Dec 2016, at 09:59, zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > About RFC5575, it seems like that the definition of "Terminal > > Action bit" is blurred. > > > > In section 7, the "Terminal Action bit" is defined as follows: > > Terminal Action (bit 47): When this bit is set, the traffic filtering > > engine will apply any subsequent filtering rules (as defined by the > > ordering procedure). If not set, the evaluation of the traffic filter > > stops when this rule is applied. > > > > How can routers do when many rules that define variant actions > > are applied to a same flow? > > > > For example, there are four rules that can be applied to one same > flow. > > And the sequence has been determined as below. When router executes rul= e > 1, > > the "Terminal Action Bit" is set. It indicated that next rule should be > > executed. When router execute rule 2, which action should be executed? > > Only redirect? Or/and traffic-marking? Which traffic-rate should be > > selected? > > > > rule 1 > > > > traffic-rate: 10Mbps > > > > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10 > > > > traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1 > > > > > > rule 2 > > > > traffic-rate: 20Mbps > > > > redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2 > > > > traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0 > > > > > > rule 3 > > > > traffic-rate: 30Mbps > > > > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D30 > > > > redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.2.2 > > > > traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1 > > > > > > rule 4 > > > > traffic-rate: 40Mbps > > > > traffic-marking: DSCP=3D40 > > > > traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > -- > > Christoph Loibl > > c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at > --94eb2c075ab4e187d50543b4800f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sandy,

<= /div>
=E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B>=C2=A0
2, What=E2=80=99s the benefit of "Terminal Action bit"?

The meani= ng of this flag was to indicate requirement analogy of "continue"= statement when executing your traffic filtering actions on the matched tra= ffic. Example - you may want to redirect to a vrf with or without remarking= the traffic with different. Not really much more to it.

Best regards,
R.=C2=A0





On Thu, De= c 15, 2016 at 10:34 AM, <zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn> wrote= :

Hi Chr= istoph,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thank you very much = for your response. Glad to hear that the RFC
will be revised Clearly.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 From your specificat= ion, I have two questions for it:

1, If it is valid that define the = same action with different
values in one same rule?

= =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8B
2, What=E2=80=99s the benefit of "Terminal Action bit"? I think that your

action merging may be one of the s= olutions. But the network manager
cannot get the result from the sam= e rule directly. It may cause the
confusion of network manager, isn&= #39;t it?

Thanks,
Sandy

Christoph Loibl <c@tix.at> =E5=86=99=E4=BA=8E 2016/12/14 18:58:53:

> Hi,

>
> Your example perfectly makes sense to me, and I understand that
> there are several sections in RFC5575 that are a little unclear.
> RFC5575 does not explain what should happen in your case, nor does
> it explain anything in case of action-interference.

>
> This is why we currently working on a rfc557bis that should help us
> to fix those problems and improve interoperability for flowspec.
> Have a look at:

>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hr-idr-rfc557= 5bis/

> Section 7.6. Rules on Traffic Action Interfer= ence
>
> During writing this section we were actually discussing single
> flowspec NLRIs with conflicting actions like:

>
> rule 1

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 traffic-rate: 10Mbps
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 traffic-rate: 20Mbps
>
> or

>
> rule 1

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0redirect: A
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0redirect: B
>
> I think we shall extend this section to also explain your case.
> Currently this is not explained even in our submitted draft draft-
=
> hr-idr-rfc5575bis latest revision. In that case it may make sense to

> have a "latest" action wins behaviour. I suggest the followi= ng
> behaviour (this is nowhere written yet):

>
> Suggestion: In your example the action for a flow matching all your
> rules should be a merge of rule 1 and rule 2:

>
> rule 1
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-rate: 10Mbps
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1

>
> after this rule 2 gets applied

>
>
> rule 2
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-rate: 20Mbps
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0

>
> The resulting action for that flow is:

>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 traffic-rate: 20Mbps

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10=
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1= .2
>
> Since on the second rule the terminal-bit is 0 there is no other
> rule to be evaluated.

>
> To the "latest" applied action wins. However this is only one
> suggested behaviour. There are plenty of other options. It should
> also be considered that implementing such a behaviour may not be trivi= al.

>
> Christoph

>
> On 14 Dec 2016, at 09:59, zhang.zheng@zte.com.cn wrote:

>
>
> Hi all,
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 About RFC5575, it seems like that the definition of "Terminal
> Action bit" is blurred.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 In section 7, the "Terminal Action bit" is defined as follows:
> Terminal Action (bit 47): When this bit is set, the traffic filtering
> engine will apply any subsequent filtering rules (as defined by the
> ordering procedure).=C2=A0 If not set, the evaluation of the traffic filter
> stops when this rule is applied.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 How can routers do when many rules that define variant actions
> are applied to a same flow?
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0For example, there are four rules that can be applied to one same flow.
> And the sequence has been determined as below. When router executes rule 1,
> the "Terminal Action Bit" is set. It indicated that next rule should be
> executed. When router execute rule 2, which action should be executed?
> Only redirect? Or/and traffic-marking? Which traffic-rate should be
> selected?
>
> rule 1
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-rate: 10Mbps
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-marking: DSCP=3D10
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1
>
>
> rule 2
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-rate: 20Mbps
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.1.2
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0
>
>
> rule 3
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-rate: 30Mbps
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-marking: DSCP=3D30
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0redirect: nexthop =3D 192.168.2.2
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-action: T=3D1 S=3D1 =C2=A0
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
> rule 4
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-rate: 40Mbps
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-marking: DSCP=3D40
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic-action: T=3D0 S=3D0
>
> _______________________________________________
> Idr mailing list
> Idr@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr

>
> --
> Christoph Loibl
> c@tix.at | CL8-RIPE = | PGP-Key-ID: 0x4B2C0055 | http://www.nextlayer.at

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This will probably end up = mattering for everyone who authors Internet Drafts, which is many of = you. There's plenty of holiday reading for you below. To whet your = appetite, this excerpt from the abstract of RFC 7990, "RFC Format = Framework" (emphasis mine):=20 "the canonical format of the RFC Series will be transitioning from = plain-text ASCII to XML using the xml2rfc version 3 vocabulary; = different publication formats will be rendered from that base document. = With these changes comes an increase in complexity for authors, = consumers, and the publisher of RFCs."=20 Enjoy! --John > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" > Subject: The RFC Format docs are now RFCs > Date: December 16, 2016 at 12:14:27 PM EST > To: rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org, ietf@ietf.org >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > The RFC Format requirements documents were published this morning. = This represents an enormous amount of work on the part of the RFC Format = Design Team, and an enormous amount of patience and feedback from the = community. Of course, the work isn't quite done - all of these RFCs will = undergo a -bis cycle so we can document the "as built" instead of just = the "as proposed." But regardless of the amount of work still to come, = this is a big milestone for the project!=20 > So, thank you all, and stay tuned for the next steps of code = development, testing, and collecting feedback! >=20 > -Heather Flanagan, RSE > The RFC Format Design Team: >=20 > Nevil Brownlee (ISE) > Heather Flanagan (RSE) > Tony Hansen > Joe Hildebrand > Paul Hoffman > Ted Lemon > Julian Reschke > Adam Roach > Alice Russo > Robert Sparks (Tools Team liaison) > Dave Thaler >=20 > The RFCs, in suggested reading order: > "RFC Format Framework " - https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7990 = > "The "xml2rfc" Version 3 Vocabulary" - = https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7991 = > "HTML Format for RFCs" - https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7992 = > "Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) Requirements for RFCs" - = https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7993 = > "Requirements for Plain-Text RFCs" - = https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7994 = > "PDF Format for RFCs" - https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7995 = > "SVG Drawings for RFCs: SVG 1.2 RFC" - = https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7996 = > "The Use of Non-ASCII Characters in RFCs" - = https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7997 = > ""xml2rfc" Version 3 Preparation Tool Description" - = https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7997 = --Apple-Mail=_B477DFE8-96FB-4F83-A578-D420FCCC0162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Everybody,

=46rom the maybe-you-didn't-notice department comes this = exciting information about RFC formats and formatting. This will = probably end up mattering for everyone who authors Internet Drafts, = which is many of you. There's plenty of holiday reading for you below. = To whet your appetite, this excerpt from the abstract of RFC 7990, "RFC = Format Framework" (emphasis mine): 

"the canonical format of the RFC Series = will be transitioning from plain-text ASCII to XML using the xml2rfc = version 3 vocabulary; different publication formats will be = rendered from that base document. With these changes comes = an increase in complexity for authors, consumers, and the = publisher of RFCs." 

Enjoy!

--John

Begin forwarded = message:

From: = "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series = Editor)" <rse@rfc-editor.org>
Subject: = The RFC Format = docs are now RFCs
Date: December 16, 2016 at 12:14:27 PM EST

=20

Hello= all,

The RFC Format requirements documents were = published this morning. This represents an enormous amount of work on the part of the RFC Format Design Team, and an enormous amount of patience and feedback from the community. Of course, the work isn't quite done - all of these RFCs will undergo a -bis cycle so we can document the "as built" instead of just the "as proposed." But regardless of the amount of work still to come, this is a big milestone for the project!

So, thank you all, and stay tuned for the next = steps of code development, testing, and collecting feedback!

-Heather Flanagan, RSE

The RFC Format Design Team:

  • Nevil Brownlee (ISE)
  • Heather Flanagan (RSE)
  • Tony Hansen
  • Joe Hildebrand
  • Paul Hoffman
  • Ted Lemon
  • Julian Reschke
  • Adam Roach
  • Alice Russo
  • Robert Sparks (Tools Team liaison)
  • Dave Thaler


The RFCs, in suggested reading order:
=


= --Apple-Mail=_B477DFE8-96FB-4F83-A578-D420FCCC0162-- From nobody Sat Dec 17 04:01:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA993129474; Sat, 17 Dec 2016 04:01:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148197608669.11691.1779978995232151866.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 04:01:26 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-01.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:01:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Deprecation of BGP Path Attribute values 30, 31, 129, 241, 242, and 234 Author : Job Snijders Filename : draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-01.txt Pages : 3 Date : 2016-12-17 Abstract: This document requests IANA to mark BGP path attribute values 30, 31, 129, 241, 242, and 243 as "deprecated". The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Dec 18 12:25:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437851296B5; Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:25:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Joel Jaeggli" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148209275326.6354.7053840631804958155.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:25:53 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org, draft-ietf-idr-large-community@ietf.org, idr-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] Joel Jaeggli's Yes on draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:25:53 -0000 Joel Jaeggli has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-idr-large-community-11: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-large-community/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- High-time we did this thanks. I think the network reviewers suggestion to leave in the implmentation status is a fine one. it does naturally capture only a moment in time. but since it points to useful examples of implmentation that's good. From nobody Mon Dec 19 11:07:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34931295B4; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:07:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148217442486.12876.12055459116674694688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:07:04 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-aspath-orf-13.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 19:07:05 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : AS Path Based Outbound Route Filter for BGP-4 Authors : Susan Hares Keyur Patel Filename : draft-ietf-idr-aspath-orf-13.txt Pages : 7 Date : 2016-12-19 Abstract: This document defines a new Outbound Router Filter type for BGP, termed "Aspath Outbound Route Filter", that can be used to perform aspath based route filtering. This ORF-type supports aspath based route filtering as well as regular expression based matching, for address groups. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-aspath-orf/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-aspath-orf-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-aspath-orf-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Dec 19 11:54:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D79B12960B for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:54:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mr4TqgYMQHce for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (50-245-122-97-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.245.122.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C22C812960A for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2016 11:54:12 -0800 (PST) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.194.7.237; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'John Scudder'" References: <00b901cf79cf$c4a03aa0$4de0afe0$@ndzh.com> <76AD4ADF-A14F-4CD4-BF43-8DD01E60E390@juniper.net> In-Reply-To: <76AD4ADF-A14F-4CD4-BF43-8DD01E60E390@juniper.net> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: <012a01d25a31$38005950$a8010bf0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012B_01D25A07.4F2B89D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQHj8zmFvh1jk/WZ0RLUyz06hRSFGgMC6nFTANxaQOagzYAwYA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'idr wg' Subject: Re: [Idr] Old WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification [was: Re: WG LC draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notificatoin-02.txt - from 5/27/14 to 6/10/14] X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 19:54:14 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012B_01D25A07.4F2B89D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John:=20 =20 This draft was waiting for 2 implementations. We were waiting for a = confirmation from Cisco. Perhaps Jakob can help us with the status the = implementation of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification in IOS = implementation. =20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John Scudder Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:05 PM To: John Scudder Cc: idr wg; Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Idr] Old WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification [was: = Re: WG LC draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notificatoin-02.txt - from 5/27/14 to = 6/10/14] =20 By the way, I would like to encourage implementors to update the (quite = dated) implementation report at = https://trac.ietf.org/trac/idr/wiki/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification%20= implementations =20 Thanks, --John On Dec 10, 2016, at 2:50 PM, John Scudder wrote: Hi Everybody,=20 =20 My mistake, the WGLC wasn't in 2015, it was in 2014 and the last traffic = to the thread was 2015 :-o. I think that under the circumstances we = probably have to do another one, although I leave the final decision to = my co-chair. =20 FYI the diff from the version that was originally WGLC'd to the current = one = is:https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification= -02 = = &url2=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-09. I believe this resolves = all issues that were raised. =20 Thanks, =20 --John =20 On May 27, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote: =20 Working Group, =20 This is to begin a 2 week WG LC for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-02.txt which will end on 6/10/2014. = Please put within your comments: =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or = =E2=80=9Cno-support=E2=80=9D for WG LC.=20 =20 Jeff Haas comments that the most recent changes reflect implementation = experience and some word smithing. There is also a minor clarification = in the NOTIFICATION message with respect to including a data byte so the = original reason for the event can be propagated. (See sec. 3.1 in the = diff.) =20 The abstract is below.=20 =20 Sue Hares =20 =20 ---------- =20 Abstract: The current BGP Graceful Restart mechanism limits the usage of BGP Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other than a BGP NOTIFICATION message. This document defines an extension to the BGP Graceful Restart that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to be performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP NOTIFICATION Message. This document also defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease Error subcode to prevent BGP speakers supporting the extension defined in this document from performing a Graceful Restart. =20 _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr ------=_NextPart_000_012B_01D25A07.4F2B89D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

John:

 

This draft was waiting for 2 implementations.=C2=A0 We were waiting = for a confirmation from Cisco. =C2=A0=C2=A0Perhaps Jakob can help us = with the status the implementation of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification = in IOS implementation. =C2=A0

 

Sue

 

From:= = Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John = Scudder
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:05 = PM
To: John Scudder
Cc: idr wg; Susan = Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] Old WGLC for = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification [was: Re: WG LC = draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notificatoin-02.txt - from 5/27/14 to = 6/10/14]

 

 

Thanks,

--John


On Dec 10, 2016, at = 2:50 PM, John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> = wrote:

Hi Everybody,

 

My mistake, the WGLC wasn't in 2015, it was in 2014 = and the last traffic to the thread was 2015 :-o. I think that under the = circumstances we probably have to do another one, although I leave the = final decision to my co-chair.

 

FYI the diff from the version that was originally = WGLC'd to the current one is:https://www.ietf.org/rf= cdiff?url1=3Ddraft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-02&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-= idr-bgp-gr-notification-09. I believe this resolves all issues that = were raised.

 

Thanks,

 

--John

 

On May 27, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> = wrote:

 

Working Group,=

 =

This is to begin a = 2 week WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-gr-notification-02.txt which will = end on 6/10/2014.  Please put within your comments:  = =E2=80=9Csupport=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cno-support=E2=80=9D for WG = LC. =

 =

Jeff Haas comments = that the most recent changes reflect implementation experience and some = word smithing.  There is also a minor clarification in the = NOTIFICATION message with respect to including a data byte so the = original reason for the event can be propagated.  (See sec. 3.1 in = the diff.)=

 =

The abstract is = below. =

 =

Sue = Hares=

 =

 =

----------=

 =

Abstract:=

   The = current BGP Graceful Restart mechanism limits the usage of = BGP=

   = Graceful Restart to BGP protocol messages other than a BGP=

   = NOTIFICATION message.  This document defines an extension to the = BGP=

   = Graceful Restart that permits the Graceful Restart procedures to = be=

   = performed when the BGP speaker receives a BGP NOTIFICATION = Message.=

   This = document also defines a new BGP NOTIFICATION Cease Error = subcode=

   to = prevent BGP speakers supporting the extension defined in = this=

   = document from performing a Graceful Restart.=

 

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------=_NextPart_000_012B_01D25A07.4F2B89D0-- From nobody Wed Dec 21 22:30:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98841293EC; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:30:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.32 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.32 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lj3Dd9nWpbqg; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DF411294F9; Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DDB02805; Thu, 22 Dec 2016 06:30:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml707-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.199) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Thu, 22 Dec 2016 06:30:47 +0000 Received: from NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com ([fe80::a54a:89d2:c471:ff]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:30:42 +0800 From: "Dongjie (Jimmy)" To: "idr@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Solicit review comments on draft-dong-pce-discovery-proto-bgp-06 Thread-Index: AdJcGv2xOMFgKKmPTFmp5RqGgPlWUg== Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 06:30:42 +0000 Message-ID: <76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92793566993@NKGEML515-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.151.75] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92793566993NKGEML515MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020201.585B7319.005A, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 8f3c87582e65688bd43ba48ef4a5e9e8 Archived-At: Cc: "pce@ietf.org" Subject: [Idr] Solicit review comments on draft-dong-pce-discovery-proto-bgp-06 X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 06:30:53 -0000 --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92793566993NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, draft-dong-pce-discovery-proto-bgp defines extensions to BGP for the advert= isement of PCE discovery information. After several revisions, the draft is= now getting stable. As suggested by the PCE chair, the authors would like = to collect review comments also from the IDR WG. Here is the link to the latest version: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-pce-discovery-proto-bgp-06 Comments are welcome. Best regards, Jie (on behalf of coauthors) --_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92793566993NKGEML515MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

 

draft-dong-pce-discovery-proto-= bgp defines extensions to BGP for the advertisement of PCE discovery inform= ation. After several revisions, the draft is now getting stable. As suggest= ed by the PCE chair, the authors would like to collect review comments also from the IDR WG.

 

Here is the link to the latest = version:

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/= draft-dong-pce-discovery-proto-bgp-06

 

Comments are welcome.

 

Best regards,=

Jie (on behalf of coauthors)

 

--_000_76CD132C3ADEF848BD84D028D243C92793566993NKGEML515MBXchi_-- From nobody Thu Dec 29 15:45:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F1D1296FD; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:45:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148305515206.30266.395384322080624399.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:45:52 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-02.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:45:52 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Deprecation of BGP Path Attribute values 30, 31, 129, 241, 242, and 243 Author : Job Snijders Filename : draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-02.txt Pages : 3 Date : 2016-12-29 Abstract: This document requests IANA to mark BGP path attribute values 30, 31, 129, 241, 242, and 243 as "deprecated". The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-30-31-129-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Dec 29 18:49:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B31129450; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:49:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148306614259.30266.6594976251638187780.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:49:02 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-05.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 02:49:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : Dissemination of Flow Specification Rules for L2 VPN Authors : Weiguo Hao Qiandeng Liang Stephane Litkowski Shunwan Zhuang Filename : draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-05.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2016-12-29 Abstract: This document defines BGP flow-spec extension for Ethernet traffic filtering in L2 VPN network. SAFI=134 in [RFC5575] is redefined for dissemination traffic filtering information in an L2VPN environment. A new subset of component types and extended community also are defined. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-flowspec-l2vpn-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Dec 29 22:53:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2964F126BF7; Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:53:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.40.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148308081412.30274.12144761765551096274.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 22:53:34 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-10.txt X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 06:53:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing of the IETF. Title : IPv6 Extensions for Route Target Distribution Authors : Keyur Patel Robert Raszuk Martin Djernaes Jie Dong Mach(Guoyi) Chen Filename : draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-10.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2016-12-29 Abstract: The current route target distribution specification as described in [RFC 4684] defines Route Target NLRIs of maximum length of 12 bytes. The IPv6 specific Route Target extended community is defined in [RFC 5701] as length of 20 bytes. Since the current specification only supports prefixes of maximum length of 12 bytes, the lack of an IPv6 specific Route Target reachability information may be a problem when an operator wants to use this application in a pure IPv6 environment. This document defines an extension that allows BGP to exchange longer length IPv6 Route Target prefixes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ipv6-rt-constrain-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/