i2rs-Sept-2-2015-Interim-Minutes

From nobody Tue Sep 1 09:19:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7A11B3B56 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:19:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PwM9THtWc-C5 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EE041A1AAE for ; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:19:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=74.43.47.34; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 12:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000601d0e4d1$f11a8810$d34f9830$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01D0E4B0.6A0A6EB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdDk0VuFAmrjdrUbRWeShKx5YbPAFg== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas' Subject: Re: [i2rs] WG adoption - draft-hares-i2rs-auth-trans-04 (8/17 to 8/31) X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 16:19:18 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D0E4B0.6A0A6EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The WG adoption call has completed on draft-hares-i2rs-trans-04.txt (and the revisions in the -05 version). This document is adopted as a WG adoption. The authors should submit this draft as draft-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00.txt. Sue Hares and Jeff Haas I2RS co-chairs ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D0E4B0.6A0A6EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The WG = adoption call has completed on draft-hares-i2rs-trans-04.txt (and the = revisions in the -05 version). This document is adopted as a WG = adoption. The authors should submit this draft as = draft-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00.txt.

Sue Hares = and Jeff Haas

I2RS co-chairs =

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01D0E4B0.6A0A6EB0-- From nobody Tue Sep 1 09:49:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09CF1B4B15; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OmGO11Cf03Fu; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A234F1A889C; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 09:48:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150901164858.26051.51523.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 09:48:58 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 16:49:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : I2RS Security Related Requirements Authors : Susan Hares Daniel Migault Joel Halpern Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2015-09-01 Abstract: This presents security-related requirements for the I2RS protocol for mutual authentication, transport protocols, data transfer and transactions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Sep 1 10:09:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01261B3503; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 10:09:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.155 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.155 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vkk0UhKsIklc; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 10:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE3C01ACEF8; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 10:09:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=74.43.47.34; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 13:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: <005101d0e4d8$fb07ddd0$f1179970$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01D0E4B7.73F7C470" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdDk2DUeqLRB1NvQQYSu5wfT4zHsdA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas' , 'Netconf' Subject: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 17:09:44 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01D0E4B7.73F7C470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a 1 week extension to the WG adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security. Due error in the initial call email, the exact text to review was unclear ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2rs/wwv1o8_mwurB05dN4D2yjr9tNFg). In reviewing the email, it appears that the authors have agree to change or delete most of the concerns except for combining this draft with draft-hares-i2rs-auth-trans-04.txt. The chairs have decided to adopt both drafts as WG drafts, and make a subsequent WG calls to determine if the drafts should be combined. This draft is at: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environment-reqs-00.txt Daniel has indicated several changes on the list. If you would like to see a revised draft for further comments, please indicate this on the list. Sue Hares and Jeff Haas I2RS co-chairs ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01D0E4B7.73F7C470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a = 1 week extension to the WG adoption call for = draft-mglt-i2rs-security. Due error in the initial call email, the = exact text to review was unclear ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2rs/wwv1o8_mwurB05dN4D2yjr9= tNFg).

In reviewing the email, it appears that the authors = have agree to change or delete most of the concerns except for combining = this draft with draft-hares-i2rs-auth-trans-04.txt. The = chairs have decided to adopt both drafts as WG drafts, and make a = subsequent WG calls to determine if the drafts should be combined. =

This draft is at:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environment-req= s-00.txt

Daniel has indicated several changes on the = list. If you would like to see a revised draft for further = comments, please indicate this on the list.

Sue Hares = and Jeff Haas

I2RS co-chairs =

------=_NextPart_000_0052_01D0E4B7.73F7C470-- From nobody Tue Sep 1 11:06:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3061B6ECC; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 11:06:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iXPp-U4Sy5x8; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66D6C1B6EC3; Tue, 1 Sep 2015 11:06:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=74.43.47.34; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 14:05:59 -0400 Message-ID: <009401d0e4e0$e0ec1580$a2c44080$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01D0E4BF.59E09000" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdDk4HIUo3hWr+iYSR+t5s0f1KjEkQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas' , 'Mahesh Jethanandani' , 'Benoit Claise' , 'Netconf' , 'Alia Atlas' Subject: [i2rs] I2RS interim Meeting on 9/2/2015 at 22:00 - 23:30 ET - Interim Topic Changed to: Requirements for Filter Based RIB X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2015 18:06:15 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01D0E4BF.59E09000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: The topic for the I2RS interim on 9/2/2015 has changed topic from the Filter-Based RIB and Service Data Model to I2RS protocol. Please see the details below. The purpose of this I2RS interim is to provide an opportunity for additional feedback on the requirements to the I2RS chairs. Please note this interim is at 22:00-23:30 ET, 19:00-20:30 PT, and for China 10:00-11:30 on 9/3 and for Europe (CET) it is 4:00am - 5:00am. Web-ex information is below. All other I2RS interims (On dates 9/16, 9/30, 10/7, and 10/21 will be at 10:00-11:30 ET). =================== Agenda for I2RS Interim on 9/2/2015 Topic: I2RS Protocol requirements Agenda: 0. Agenda Bashing [22:00-10:05] 1. Overview of I2RS Requirements [Sue Hares] [22:05-22:20] 2. Review of NETCONF feedback on Requirements [22:20-22:35] 3. Discussion of Open issues [22:35-23:20] 4. Closing of meeting [23:20-23:30] The I2RS protocol requirements has been updated in the following four drafts: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-01.txt https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02.txt http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability/ https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00.tx t Additional I2RS environmental security issues are discussed: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environment-reqs-00.txt At the I2RS interim the chairs will review of the I2RS requirements, NETCONF's feedback on the requirements. The following discussion points: 1) It is been said that the highest priority differences between I2RS and NETCONF are the following things: a) Quick Feedback loop for applications, b) Being able to tie ephemeral to config What do you think? 2) How much feedback do you want in your applications? 3) Should I2RS allow data transfer on an insecure protocol? a) If so, what restrictions should be placed on the data models allowing data transfer? b) Should the data transfer over insecure protocol be limited to just publication or subscription data? 4) What data should the ephemeral data models be able to refer to in order to do constraint checking? The options are: a) ephemeral to configuration state, b) ephemeral to operational state (for example, an LSP-ID for an LSP that is created) c) ephemeral configuration to ephemeral configuration Examples could be; a) I2RS RIB model referring to the I2RS topology model b) I2RS BGP model referring to I2RS RIB d) ephemeral configuration to ephemeral "protocol" state I2RS RIB route configuration referencing I2RS Topology model to check the summary of learned logical paths 5) Do you think the protocol security requirement are adequate for the protocol? 6) Have we missed anything in the requirements? What are your 3 top priority requirements? 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Hi all: =

The topic for the I2RS interim on 9/2/2015 has changed = topic from the Filter-Based RIB and Service Data Model to I2RS protocol. = Please see the details below. The purpose of this I2RS interim is = to provide an opportunity for additional feedback on the requirements to = the I2RS chairs.

Please note = this interim is at 22:00-23:30 ET, 19:00-20:30 PT, and for China = 10:00-11:30 on 9/3 and for Europe (CET) it is 4:00am – = 5:00am. Web-ex information is below. All other I2RS = interims (On dates 9/16, 9/30, 10/7, and 10/21 will be at 10:00-11:30 = ET).

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Agenda for I2RS Interim on 9/2/2015

Topic: I2RS = Protocol requirements

Agenda: =

0. Agenda Bashing = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; = [22:00-10:05]

1. Overview = of I2RS Requirements [Sue Hares] [22:05-22:20]

2. Review of NETCONF feedback on Requirements = [22:20-22:35]

3. Discussion of Open = issues &= nbsp; [22:35-23:20]

4. Closing of meeting = &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = = [23:20-23:30]

The I2RS = protocol requirements has been updated

in the following four drafts:

= https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-01.txt=

= https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02.txt<= /o:p>

= http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability/<= /p>

= https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00= .txt

Additional I2RS environmental security issues are = discussed:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-security-enviro= nment-reqs-00.txt

At the I2RS = interim the chairs will review of the I2RS = requirements,

NETCONF's feedback on = the requirements.

The = following discussion points:

1) It is = been said that the highest priority differences

between I2RS and NETCONF are the = following things:

a) = Quick Feedback loop for applications,

b) Being able to tie ephemeral to = config

What do you think?

2) How = much feedback do you want in your

applications?

3) = Should I2RS allow data transfer on an insecure protocol? =

a) If so, what = restrictions should be placed on the

data models allowing data transfer? =

b) Should the data transfer over = insecure protocol

be limited to just = publication or subscription data?

&= nbsp;

4) What data should the ephemeral data models be able = to

refer to in = order to do constraint checking?

The options are:

&= nbsp; a) ephemeral to configuration = state,

&= nbsp; b) ephemeral to operational state = (for example, an LSP-ID

&= nbsp; for an LSP that is = created)

&= nbsp; c) ephemeral configuration to = ephemeral configuration

&= nbsp; Examples could be; =

&= nbsp; a) I2RS RIB model = referring to the I2RS topology model

&= nbsp; b) I2RS BGP model = referring to I2RS RIB

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp; d) ephemeral configuration to = ephemeral "protocol" state

&= nbsp;

&= nbsp; I2RS RIB route = configuration referencing

&= nbsp; I2RS Topology = model to check the summary of

&= nbsp; learned logical = paths

5) Do you think the protocol security requirement are =

adequate for the protocol? =

6) Have we missed anything in the requirements? =

What are your 3 top priority = requirements?

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------=_NextPart_000_0095_01D0E4BF.59E09000-- From nobody Wed Sep 2 09:54:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BE11B4CC0; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rbyoIcb4lMKA; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E08E11B4D93; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BXB70853; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 16:54:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DFWEML703-CHM.china.huawei.com (10.193.5.130) by lhreml405-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.242) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:54:08 +0100 Received: from DFWEML701-CHM.china.huawei.com ([10.193.5.50]) by dfweml703-chm ([10.193.5.130]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 09:54:03 -0700 From: Linda Dunbar To: Susan Hares , "i2rs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments Thread-Index: AdDk2DUeqLRB1NvQQYSu5wfT4zHsdAAxvnFA Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 16:54:03 +0000 Message-ID: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986@dfweml701-chm> References: <005101d0e4d8$fb07ddd0$f1179970$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <005101d0e4d8$fb07ddd0$f1179970$@ndzh.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.192] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_004_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986dfweml701chm_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas' , 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 16:54:16 -0000 --_004_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986dfweml701chm_ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986dfweml701chm_" --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986dfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can the authors address my comments and the suggested changes to add a sect= ion on security threats and the associated requirements with Closed Enviro= nment? Closed environment deployment can easily give people a sense of secure beca= use the links between I2RS Client and I2RS Agent are guided by a physical "= Wall". The false sense of "Secure" is actually more dangerous because it c= an easily make the deployment miss the crucial security procedure. Therefore, I think it is important to have a dedicated section on security = threats and requirement for the Closed Environment. Attached is my suggested text. Linda From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:10 PM To: i2rs@ietf.org Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas'; 'Netconf' Subject: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-se= curity-environments This is a 1 week extension to the WG adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-secu= rity. Due error in the initial call email, the exact text to review was un= clear ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2rs/wwv1o8_mwurB05dN4D2yjr9t= NFg). In reviewing the email, it appears that the authors have agree to change or= delete most of the concerns except for combining this draft with draft-har= es-i2rs-auth-trans-04.txt. The chairs have decided to adopt both drafts a= s WG drafts, and make a subsequent WG calls to determine if the drafts shou= ld be combined. This draft is at: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environment-reqs-00.txt Daniel has indicated several changes on the list. If you would like to see= a revised draft for further comments, please indicate this on the list. Sue Hares and Jeff Haas I2RS co-chairs --_000_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986dfweml701chm_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can the authors addres= s my comments and the suggested changes to add a section on security threat= s and the associated requirements with Closed Environment?=

Closed environment dep= loyment can easily give people a sense of secure because the links between = I2RS Client and I2RS Agent are guided by a physical “Wall”. &nb= sp;The false sense of “Secure” is actually more dangerous because it can easily make the deployment miss the crucial security proced= ure.

Therefore, I think it = is important to have a dedicated section on security threats and requiremen= t for the Closed Environment.

Attached is my suggest= ed text.

Linda

From: i2rs [ma= ilto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:10 PM
To: i2rs@ietf.org
Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas'; 'Netconf'
Subject: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-= i2rs-security-environments

This is a 1 week extension to the WG adoption call f= or draft-mglt-i2rs-security. Due error in the initial call email, the= exact text to review was unclear ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2rs/wwv1o8_mwurB05dN4D2yjr9tNFg)= .

In reviewing the email, it appears that the authors = have agree to change or delete most of the concerns except for combining th= is draft with draft-hares-i2rs-auth-trans-04.txt. The chairs ha= ve decided to adopt both drafts as WG drafts, and make a subsequent WG calls to determine if the drafts should be combin= ed.

This draft is at:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-se= curity-environment-reqs-00.txt

Daniel has indicated several changes on the list.&nb= sp; If you would like to see a revised draft for further comments, please i= ndicate this on the list.

Sue Hares and Jeff Haas

I2RS co-chairs

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--_004_4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986dfweml701chm_-- From nobody Wed Sep 2 17:33:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22001AD2A9; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sZijRKzhvBLa; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 149A51ACE72; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:33:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.171.7; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Linda Dunbar'" , References: <005101d0e4d8$fb07ddd0$f1179970$@ndzh.com> <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986@dfweml701-chm> In-Reply-To: <4A95BA014132FF49AE685FAB4B9F17F657D1D986@dfweml701-chm> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 20:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: <004201d0e5e0$280537d0$780fa770$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01D0E5BE.A0F51E70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEHZB6VALgirVXrlqDwm5wqDQpvRQEuWz0kn7OE6vA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas' , 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 00:33:38 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01D0E5BE.A0F51E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda We will include closed environments in the revised document. Sue From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:54 PM To: Susan Hares; i2rs@ietf.org Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas'; 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments Can the authors address my comments and the suggested changes to add a section on security threats and the associated requirements with Closed Environment? Closed environment deployment can easily give people a sense of secure because the links between I2RS Client and I2RS Agent are guided by a physical "Wall". The false sense of "Secure" is actually more dangerous because it can easily make the deployment miss the crucial security procedure. Therefore, I think it is important to have a dedicated section on security threats and requirement for the Closed Environment. Attached is my suggested text. Linda From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 12:10 PM To: i2rs@ietf.org Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas'; 'Netconf' Subject: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG Adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments This is a 1 week extension to the WG adoption call for draft-mglt-i2rs-security. Due error in the initial call email, the exact text to review was unclear ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2rs/wwv1o8_mwurB05dN4D2yjr9tNFg). In reviewing the email, it appears that the authors have agree to change or delete most of the concerns except for combining this draft with draft-hares-i2rs-auth-trans-04.txt. The chairs have decided to adopt both drafts as WG drafts, and make a subsequent WG calls to determine if the drafts should be combined. This draft is at: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environment-reqs-00.txt Daniel has indicated several changes on the list. If you would like to see a revised draft for further comments, please indicate this on the list. Sue Hares and Jeff Haas I2RS co-chairs ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01D0E5BE.A0F51E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Linda

<co-author hat on> =

We will include closed environments in the = revised document.

Sue =

From:= = i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Linda = Dunbar
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:54 = PM
To: Susan Hares; i2rs@ietf.org
Cc: 'Jeffrey = Haas'; 'Netconf'
Subject: Re: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG = Adoption call for = draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments

Can the authors address my comments and the = suggested changes to add a section on security threats and the = associated requirements with Closed = Environment?

Closed environment = deployment can easily give people a sense of secure because the links = between I2RS Client and I2RS Agent are guided by a physical = “Wall”. The false sense of “Secure” is = actually more dangerous because it can easily make the deployment miss = the crucial security procedure.

Therefore, I think it is = important to have a dedicated section on security threats and = requirement for the Closed Environment.

Attached is my suggested = text.

Linda

From:= = i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, = 2015 12:10 PM
To: i2rs@ietf.org
Cc: 'Jeffrey = Haas'; 'Netconf'
Subject: [i2rs] 1 week extension to WG = Adoption call for = draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environments

This is a 1 = week extension to the WG adoption call for = draft-mglt-i2rs-security. Due error in the initial call email, the = exact text to review was unclear ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2rs/wwv1o8_mwurB05dN4D2yjr9= tNFg).

This draft is at:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-mglt-i2rs-security-environment-req= s-00.txt

Daniel has indicated several changes on the = list. If you would like to see a revised draft for further = comments, please indicate this on the list.

Sue Hares = and Jeff Haas

I2RS co-chairs =

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01D0E5BE.A0F51E70-- From nobody Wed Sep 2 17:44:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22601B5923; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1vqp62ogw0Pu; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFFC1B5927; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150903004455.16095.74163.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 17:44:55 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-01.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 00:44:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : I2RS Security Related Requirements Authors : Susan Hares Daniel Migault Joel Halpern Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2015-09-02 Abstract: This presents security-related requirements for the I2RS protocol for mutual authentication, transport protocols, data transfer and transactions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Sep 2 17:50:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF15B1A887F; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pT_eT7pzCyrp; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A51071A1A8F; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 17:50:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.171.7; From: "Susan Hares" To: , References: <20150903004455.16095.74163.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150903004455.16095.74163.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 20:50:26 -0400 Message-ID: <005801d0e5e2$8655bd80$93013880$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQG/zOKfXETVwmDznQONaGW4XUMfDp5MKtdg Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-01.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 00:50:33 -0000 Hi all: In reviewing for the Interim tonight (9/2/2015) from 22:00-23:30 ET, I found editorial errors in draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-00.txt. There is no substantive change in the technology. Sue -----Original Message----- From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:45 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : I2RS Security Related Requirements Authors : Susan Hares Daniel Migault Joel Halpern Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2015-09-02 Abstract: This presents security-related requirements for the I2RS protocol for mutual authentication, transport protocols, data transfer and transactions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requireme nts/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirements-0 1 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-protocol-security-requirem ents-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ i2rs mailing list i2rs@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs From nobody Wed Sep 2 18:08:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37FA1A90BA; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 18:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-bjAkJwcluG; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 18:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C978D1B39E8; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 18:07:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150903010759.32629.9640.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 18:07:59 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 01:08:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : I2RS Ephemeral State Requirements Authors : Jeff Haas Susan Hares Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2015-09-02 Abstract: This document covers requests to the netmod and netconf Working Groups for functionality to support the ephemeral state requirements to implement the I2RS architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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The slides are at: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/09/02/i2rs/proceedings.html Sue ------------------ Wednesday, September 2, 2015 22:00pm | Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) | 2 hrs Join WebEx meeting https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m718ecc9051effb6120f73981c5395057 Meeting number: 646 529 867 Meeting password: proto.fun Join by phone 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 646 529 867 -----Original Message----- From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:08 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : I2RS Ephemeral State Requirements Authors : Jeff Haas Susan Hares Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2015-09-02 Abstract: This document covers requests to the netmod and netconf Working Groups for functionality to support the ephemeral state requirements to implement the I2RS architecture. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ i2rs mailing list i2rs@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs From nobody Wed Sep 2 21:20:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A051ACEB0 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.643 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.643 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_HTML_ATTACH=0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K9lvPUHX6o-O for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2EC0D1ACE05 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 21:20:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.171.7; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 00:20:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000901d0e5ff$e0be8d70$a23ba850$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01D0E5DE.59AE7410" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdDl/5h83d5NIVo4TF2daNRQ3vz3xw== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas' , 'Alia Atlas' Subject: [i2rs] Interim meeting X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 04:20:45 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D0E5DE.59AE7410 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000B_01D0E5DE.59AE7410" ------=_NextPart_001_000B_01D0E5DE.59AE7410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've attached rough minutes from the interim meeting on 9/2/2015. 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I’ve = attached rough minutes from the interim meeting on 9/2/2015. = Unfortunately, 9/3/2015 was a Chinese holiday so we did not get as many = participants from China.

Slides and = agenda can be found at:

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/09/02/i2rs/procee= dings.html

thank you, =

Sue =

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Topic: I2RS Protocol = requirements

Agenda:

= Attendees:
    Susan Hares, Jeff = Haas
     Joel Halpern, Ignas Bagdonas, Jie Dong, = Yuji Tochio, Jan Medved, Andy Bierman, Linda Dunbar

0. Agenda = Bashing           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           = [22:00-20:05]
1. Overview of I2RS Requirements [Sue = Hares]           &= nbsp;     = [22:05-22:30]

Discussion:
   Sue: We will walk = through ephemeral protocol requiremens
   Jeff: These first = slides are context.
   Sue: I will revise the = slides to indicate this for = others.


    Dean: The = occluding case is complex, but if you just use overriding it is much = simplier.
    Jeff: I = agree.
    Dean: I would avoid having config = over ephemeral.
    Jeff: One possible = decision for the protocol design team.
    Dean: I = would drop config over ephemeral, and only do ephemeral over = config.
    Jeff: These first slides are only = introductory, and I think this is a good = idea

    Linda: You = mentioned that ephemeral state survive = restart.
    Jeff: Thinking about IPv6 that = resembles operational state,
    Joel: We can = never get that i2RS will exist before configuration = state.
    Jeff: The requirements do not use = this combination.
    Linda: Can you make this = clear in the draft?
    Sue: Any text = suggestions are helpful. Let's review the actual = draft.
         &nb= sp;   Some of this may be new = text.

    ... After = Ephemeral-REQ-01
    Sue After Requirement 1, = Linda does this answer your concern?
    = Linda: You have address my concern on = this.

     = After Ephemeral-REQ-03
     Jeff: For = requirement 3, this is a completely new thing for = NETCONF.

    Sue: We = are missing Ephemeral-REQ-05 which deals with what
    = it meanst that data is ephemeral. The data must be able to have = the
    property of writable or not and ephemeral or = not.

     Dean: = Ephemeral-REQ-06 - how is this different than = config.
      [Scribe notes: It may be = different]

Joel: You are not dealing with config, you = are creating writeable by ephemeral.
Jeff: In a NETCONF sense, = to say Config TRUE, it means

a) to write = something in writeable running
b) that it is stored in the = data store.

   For emphemeral we need = something that
      a) = writeable
      b) = ephemeral

Linda: You = have writeable and = non-writable.
       &n= bsp;        Ephemeral is under = write/unwriteable.

Joel: This is different = than what ephemeral-REQ-05 and ephemeral-REQ-06 = state.

LInda: You are stating that the last 4 = (writeable/non-writeable, operational state, = configuration).
Joel: We state that you have to be able to do = everything you can do in the rest.
Linda: In ephemeral, you = have write-able and non-writeable.
Joel: You can create the = ephemeral state in configuration that = exists,
          = and you can = readable.
         =
Jeff: In NETCONF terms, it is a configuration false = node.
Sue: Configuration
Jie: Is Ephemeral = operational state writable?
Jeff: The operational state = is also ephemeral state, if the box goes away then it goes = away.
Joel: Operational state is non-writable.
Jeff: = Some NETCONF proposal was to have writeable operationa = state.
Joel: If NETCONF makes operational being = writeable, I2RS will not fight = that.
          However, = it is not a = requirement?

Req-08:
  &= nbsp; Dean: How will the secondary identity get = passed?
    Jeff: There is a proposal that it = will part of the Meta data or the RPC.
    Joel: = The primary identity or the secondary = identity?
    Dean: The secondary can be pass in = by
    Joel: We are opened to a workable = solution (??Sue: Not sure I got it all)
   Sue: We = had a long discussion at = IETF94.
        &n= bsp;    The security people indicate that we are sending = identifiers and not = identities.
        &nbs= p;    The I2RS is ok with a client having just one = identity. It may be = changed,
         &= nbsp;   but if it is changed - the client must handle the = changes in priority = or
          &= nbsp; secondary identity. The secondary identity is just for = tracing.

   REQ-09 = / = REQ-10:
       = Sue: Any other = questinons?
       Jan: = What is the original = client?
       Sue: It is the = lower priority guy that overwritten with the higher priority = values.
       Jeff: This the = implication of the collision
       = Jan: My observation that keeping track of the priorities. It might = to make it = optional.
        =         All these nice things add = functionality, but our real concern is to make this = simple.
     Joel: I do not know how = to do this?
     Sue: The netconf server = prevents it.
     Joel: I would need = details of something prevents and how = fit.
     Sue: the protocol DT is = looking to see if we can prevent and handle the = collisoins.

    = REQ-11/REQ-12
    Andy: Kent = pointed that if you have unique priorities, you cannot have = ties.
    Joel: That sound out like interesting = idea.
    Sue: This would take complexity = out of the system.
    Andy: Depending on how = valiation works, it not so much first wins = as
           &= nbsp; If there is validation, you can have another = configuration.
    Joel: This focused on actual = collision of writes, and not indirect = validation.
    Andy: NETCONF will require = validation.
    Joel: We should let the protocol = design team handle the = validation.

Req-13:
    = Jan: I'm not sure I understand what is written = here.
    Sue: It appears I failed to reword it = correctly. Does anyone else want = to
          &= nbsp; restate this point.
    Joel: The = complexity of atomicity and roll-backs should be = avoided.
         &= nbsp;    Classical SNMP could not meet these = requires.
         =       If there are message that carry only one = operation,
         = ;      this may have a differnet set of = problems.
    Jan: We must allow bulk = operations.
    Joel: I would expect that you = should send multiple operations in one = message.
          &= nbsp; If you get multiple protocols, then these = batch.
    Jan: In Yang this becomes a little = muddled, if the list in a PUT = operatoins.
        &nbs= p;   If the list has 1000 entries, is it 1000 operations or 1 = operations.
    Sue: You are right we need to = have bulk operatoins.
    Andy: The operation = can one or many? I think that any thing = under
         &nbs= p;     other any perform all or none. Is too = complex.
    Joel: I think we have = examples of the other case. The errors can = help
          = ;   state where you stop.
    Andy: We = had this from the start, and it was not = implemented.
    Joel:   The client = needs to know what the error is.
    Andy: = The trade-off is performance versus state.
    = Joel:   If you have an all or none, then the server will have = download.
    Sue: Thank you for the good = feedback, this decision will belong to the design = team.

    Jan: I would = argue keeping it close to NETCONF. It will make it easier to = deploy.
         &n= bsp; Otherwise, we will have trouble = implementing.
   Joel: This is a good argument = for this point.
   Andy: There is no ordering of the = edits in NETCONF.
   Jan: Again, making it = different than NETCONF will
Joel: I think REQ-13 = need to be looked at by the dexign team.
Jan: We must be = close to NETCONF to get enough traction in the = ecosystem.
Joel: I think the protocol design team should = look at NETCONF/RESTCONF to give
Jan: This is a fair = example.

Pub/Sub = Requirements (jeff)

pub-sub-req-1 - no = comments
pub-sub-req-2 - the "real-time" = should be defined by models.
pub-sub-req-3 = -

Joel: Did the security = people approve of the insecure proocol.
Andy: It raised an = eyebrow, and people had closed = networks.

&= nbsp; &n= bsp; SNMP did not get the security group to approve of = closed networks.

Sue: Closed = networks is for the environment, The selection of insecure = protocols is a model = based

= ; issue. I refered to telemetry and this = convinced the security = reviewer.
= We could start with just netconf, and do telemetry as = a second set.

Andy: Model = based use puts this in a separate equation. I see where the = security people will allow this state.
Jeff: How do = we configure this in a = model?

       &nbs= p;      This takes it backs to the = protocol.
         =      If THRIFT or other protocols are used, may not = have the secure = transport.
          = ;    If NETCONF is used, we will have just the secure = protocol.
         =
2. Review of NETCONF feedback on = Requirements    [22:30-22:40] = planned
         &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp; [23:20-23:25] actual
     = Security and NETCONF review of the = security,
     and we had disagreements on = whether REQ-8 and REQ-12 are security = functions.
     SEC-DIR reviewer said = "yes" and NETCONF said = "no"

   &nb= sp; On insecure connection, sec-dir reviewer was ok with an = insecure protocol with the caveat that it was model driven, and must be = reviewed by sec-dir. An example of model driven is = telemetry.3


3. Discussion of = Open = issues           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;        [22:40-23:25]
4. = Closing of = meeting           =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;        = [23:25-23:30]

virtual blue sheets
= http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/i2rs-Sept-2-201= 5-v-Bluesheet

Minutes for the interim
http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/i2rs-Sept-2= -2015-Interim-Minutes

Questions for the = Virtual Interim

The following discussion = points:
     1) It is been said that the highest = priority differences between
     I2RS and = NETCONF are the following = things:
        &n= bsp; a) Quick Feedback loop for = applications,
        b) = Being able to tie ephemeral to config
What do you = think?

= Discussion:

2) How = much feedback do you want in your = applications?

Discussion: =

3) Should I2RS allow data transfer on an = insecure protocol?
a) If so, what = restrictions should be placed on the
      = data models allowing data = transfer?
b) Should the = data transfer over insecure protocol
be limited to just = publication or subscription = data?

= Discussion:

4) What data should the = ephemeral data models be able to
    refer to in order = to do constraint checking?
    = The options are:
    a) ephemeral to = configuration = state,           <= br>    b) ephemeral to operational state (for example, an = LSP-ID           <= br>        for an LSP that is = created)
  &= nbsp;
    c) ephemeral configuration to ephemeral = configuration
         = Examples could be:
         = a) I2RS RIB model referring to the I2RS topology = model
         b) I2RS BGP = model referring to I2RS = RIB           &nbs= p;

  &nb= sp; d) ephemeral configuration to ephemeral "protocol" = state
       I2RS RIB route = configuration = referencing          &n= bsp;
       I2RS Topology model = to check the summary of
       learned = logical = paths

Discussion:

  &= nbsp; 5) Do you think the protocol security = requirement
       are adequate = for the = protocol?

= Discussion:

&nb= sp; 6) Have we missed anything in the = requirements?
    What are your 3 top priority = requirements?

Discussion:

=0A= =0A= ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01D0E5DE.59AE7410-- From nobody Sun Sep 6 23:51:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165B01B4C70 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2015 23:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wuglCD8Mn0ay for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2015 23:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp (tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076DA1B487A for ; Sun, 6 Sep 2015 23:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.86.153]) by tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t876piDe009025 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:51:44 +0900 Received: from vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2705F612 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:51:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from imail1.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (imail1.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.5.246]) by vc1.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2D55F58A for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:51:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from [129.60.21.195] (Netsu-shiomoto-Dell.silab.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.21.195]) by imail1.m.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t876pi3s006113 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:51:44 +0900 From: Kohei Shiomoto To: i2rs@ietf.org Message-ID: <55ED34F8.8040002@lab.ntt.co.jp> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:55:52 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Subject: [i2rs] Call for Papers: Special Issue on "Management of Softwarized Networks" in IEEE TNSM X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2015 06:51:47 -0000 [Apologies, if you receive multiple copies of this CFP] --------------------------------------- CALL FOR PAPERS Special Issue on "Management of Softwarized Networks" IEEE Transactions on Network and Service Management -- http://www.comsoc.org/tnsm/cfp/si-msn -- * Paper submission date: January 31, 2016 * Notification of acceptance: April 30, 2016 * Publication date*: September 1, 2016 Currently, there is a strong interest in both industry and academia in the softwarization of telecommunication networks and cloud computing infrastructures. This evolution of network softwarization is enabled by three paradigms: (i) Software-Defined Networking (SDN), which allows network control to be separated from the forwarding plane and allows for a flexible management of the network resources, (ii) Network Virtualization (NV), which enables virtualization of network resources, and (iii) Network Function Virtualization (NFV), which focuses on virtualization of software-based network functions. Instead of installing and managing dedicated hardware devices for these functions, they are instead implemented as software components and deployed on commodity hardware infrastructures. There are also ongoing research efforts focusing on Software-Defined Clouds, including edge clouds and Fog Computing. In order to efficiently manage softwarized networks and to be able to use them to their full potential, there are many interesting challenges to be addressed (see the areas listed below). We welcome submissions addressing the important challenges and presenting novel research or experimentation results. Survey papers that offer a perspective on related work and identify key challenges for future research will be considered as well. We look forward to your submissions! 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We are looking forward to your submissions! *Guest editors* * Raouf Boutaba, University of Waterloo, Canada * Prosper Chemouil, Orange Labs, France * Filip De Turck, Ghent University-iMinds, Belgium * Christian Esteve Rothenberg, University of Campinas, Brazil * Kohei Shiomoto, NTT, Japan * Minlan Yu, University of Southern California, USA -- Kohei Shiomoto, Ph.D Senior Manager, Communication Traffic & Service Quality Project NTT Network Technology Laboratories NIPPON TELEGRAPH AND TELEPHONE CORPORATION TEL +81-422-59-4402 FAX +81-422-59-6364 From nobody Tue Sep 15 15:08:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E411B2BB0 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:08:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.654 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.654 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_60=1.5, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kVBoNn3q0aoQ for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35C251B2A77 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.182.191; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <016401d0f002$fe13dda0$fa3b98e0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0165_01D0EFE1.7703C440" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdDwArqcH2i43CudTQSux6uLFy3J8A== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: [i2rs] Interim Meeting Canceled X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:08:03 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01D0EFE1.7703C440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The I2RS interim meeting scheduled for tomorrow is canceled due to my illness. 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The I2RS = interim meeting scheduled for tomorrow is canceled due to my = illness. It will be rescheduled at a later time.

My = apologies.

Sue

------=_NextPart_000_0165_01D0EFE1.7703C440-- From nobody Tue Sep 29 04:10:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19381A1BFE; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C45Y2jxXV1D1; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A1B1A3BA0; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150929111046.21359.90104.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:46 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:10:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Base (RIB) Authors : Lixing Wang Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Mach(Guoyi) Chen Amit Dass Sriganesh Kini Nitin Bahadur Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2015-09-29 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for Routing Information Base (RIB) that aligns with the I2RS RIB information model. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Sep 29 04:11:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BB11A0161; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NvuIJxlvQdKi; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDDE1A7018; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150929111046.20083.95288.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 04:10:46 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:10:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Base (RIB) Authors : Lixing Wang Hariharan Ananthakrishnan Mach(Guoyi) Chen Amit Dass Sriganesh Kini Nitin Bahadur Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2015-09-29 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model for Routing Information Base (RIB) that aligns with the I2RS RIB information model. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Sep 29 21:29:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013F91B59DE for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 21:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.354 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.354 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y9Arh-JRrnz3 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A21A21B5B9F for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=64.112.195.202; From: "Susan Hares" To: Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 00:29:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01d0fb38$90ceb2b0$b26c1810$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01D0FB17.09BE9950" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdD7OHoJp4nwmVYIR9a19LVoexXw1Q== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: 'Jeffrey Haas' Subject: [i2rs] No I2RS interim on 9/30/2015 X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 04:29:24 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D0FB17.09BE9950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The I2RS interim on 9/30/2015 is cancelled. 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The I2RS = interim on 9/30/2015 is cancelled. The next interim is = 10/14/2015.

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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01D0FB17.09BE9950-- From nobody Wed Sep 30 10:16:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E901A87A0; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q4PeDjYHNbaQ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E713F1A873A; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:16:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150930171639.12885.89883.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:16:39 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: i2rs@ietf.org Subject: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:16:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working Group of the IETF. Title : Routing Information Base Info Model Authors : Nitin Bahadur Sriganesh Kini Jan Medved Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07.txt Pages : 26 Date : 2015-09-30 Abstract: Routing and routing functions in enterprise and carrier networks are typically performed by network devices (routers and switches) using a routing information base (RIB). Protocols and configuration push data into the RIB and the RIB manager installs state into the hardware; for packet forwarding. This draft specifies an information model for the RIB to enable defining a standardized data model. Such a data model can be used to define an interface to the RIB from an entity that may even be external to the network device. This interface can be used to support new use-cases being defined by the IETF I2RS WG. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Sep 30 10:20:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: i2rs@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB981A86F1 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:20:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.709 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.709 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MALFORMED_FREEMAIL=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3e2nYTjM-0ql for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nm27-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm27-vm8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.216.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77BEA1A875A for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1443633608; bh=dQtOvMFuvsxd3N6wQmQNFljMhpbocH5k5kf4wqchtDI=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=PDWPO1O43xNnfaWcnph2fC0x0xYIcgqfQSOIKv114m3AZTFBYHi535+MHpD0JGQOTq1gX8QVtm3ow/8OOJts/8OMkLF/J9nZCp4fsLXE8A2kc+mayPwLT3L1iGvCd2vgcWpcCnv+REeeps8RYGVFDaX7j5fq//mzYziJzaeH7MKLiBGn9cUKIacM59nay6pLLeXzl6LHoX6fftzDIZYLWCLylVjH84zvzChbmttpENcyvkwCEhCftz8zq6znjd8xDzElWtbR/SriWm91jU2nazut4gDWWm4vNGzFoiKtw0J7c8Iml69d2K3BKXiEusWU12AsVXsIVtNjN4gfRKhifA== Received: from [98.137.12.55] by nm27.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2015 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.209] by tm15.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2015 17:20:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2015 17:20:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 622034.43323.bm@smtp220.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: nlBno04VM1kq7lMyOOqtfTvNK71PsHd7FAIaj20NB47aq2K PMgrTBNc4gd8f3U1ahDY8FCDffHk3WYgoBUxEZVFGSYu6dR6kbSIIWI2tugW M1mMIR.GkqUvYCwCRsf_pbbOXFV.HD8laW7CdeF8G4_TdXuMkxbGEENh6uHC 9U2epW4AYzLu0uKsbBqCrR3R_SXsypMhVeOiSnO1Fh43y1XSSh5wFdZsbfkz GW9u0aCLANfCPz52si3WzkGxn2UlOWjqc3zFcqEljt.hggfFUevVBhOzlSr6 mYPFj6vUn6wpr6F1_fB1PhHvnr3g9f2QnzhvanSu9gpCnIS2zNShOYZHVZRP BJf93cQQzXJgGOxLT.VfnEjmamcOd4QJAUcWmeE.VoA9PD_HO7Y3iTxUiZyX MXsTB3qXFBORj9Bt06799qAF8LuOKCmw3l8abFbJu3V9Ls71CesKyD_0wIhl Ax7GC49TOqS0u564zaO.KfJbBEryR6O9sCBHNcLNc88wnqzMX0n01h2lgDKP lueUHTmX6q8cL4Kxrtbpo.J08zoSouk3C8_XFZFg- X-Yahoo-SMTP: jU6Na92swBBdqSRkLOL9Cp_LhHZgQAQoL10- User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.4.140807 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 10:20:02 -0700 From: Nitin Bahadur To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07.txt References: <20150930171639.12885.89883.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150930171639.12885.89883.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [i2rs] I-D Action: draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07.txt X-BeenThere: i2rs@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Interface to The Internet Routing System $IRS$" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:20:11 -0000 The new version addresses a minor error w.r.t. usage of rBNF in the grammar - No real change to the grammar. This also updates the previous expired version :) Thanks Nitin On 9/30/15, 10:16 AM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >directories. > This draft is a work item of the Interface to the Routing System Working >Group of the IETF. > > Title : Routing Information Base Info Model > Authors : Nitin Bahadur > Sriganesh Kini > Jan Medved > Filename : draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07.txt > Pages : 26 > Date : 2015-09-30 > >Abstract: > Routing and routing functions in enterprise and carrier networks are > typically performed by network devices (routers and switches) using a > routing information base (RIB). Protocols and configuration push > data into the RIB and the RIB manager installs state into the > hardware; for packet forwarding. This draft specifies an information > model for the RIB to enable defining a standardized data model. Such > a data model can be used to define an interface to the RIB from an > entity that may even be external to the network device. This > interface can be used to support new use-cases being defined by the > IETF I2RS WG. > > >The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model/ > >There's also a htmlized version available at: >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07 > >A diff from the previous version is available at: >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-07 > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >submission >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > >Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > >_______________________________________________ >i2rs mailing list >i2rs@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs